According to Maro, the original rule text on Door was going to be "Destroy target player", but he couldn't get that wording past the rules manager 😂
@kristiandahl1310
Жыл бұрын
Well it would imply that players are permanents in a round about way which yeah is not good.
@noahcarroll4944
Жыл бұрын
The only way we managed to get that on an official magic card was Baron Von Count lol
@shivandragon1651
Жыл бұрын
Player removal is the best removal
@solsystem1342
Жыл бұрын
@@shivandragon1651my personal dream is leaving the mana to cast door open in a commander game and taking the game hostage because I can remove a player from the game at instant speed in response to anything I don't like😂
@syrelian
Жыл бұрын
Shoulda just been "Remove target player from the game" Exiling doesn't assume a target is a Permanent, and its textually accurate to its behavior
@LlywellynOBrien
Жыл бұрын
I really think that all alternative win cons on Arena really need animations to set them out from regular old wins.
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@OODZUTSU
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Maze's End is so boring. Just looks like they concede.
@jojodosjogos
Жыл бұрын
Master duel does that and its beautiful
@dylanevans9
Жыл бұрын
I really wanna see their avatar fly through a door to nothingness
@aretwodeetoo1181
Жыл бұрын
Oh man, that's such a good idea. Just imagine a giant black hole door sucking in all their cards and pet and avatar... WotC please!
@davidstreicher1103
Жыл бұрын
I remember when I first started playing MTG in elementary school, there was one boy who had a Door to Nothingness and a deck built around it, and we all thought it was the coolest and most powerful card in the entire game. There's something about the words "target player loses the game" that just excites the imagination- especially that of a little kid- in ways better and more efficient cards just never could.
@Dari300ra
Жыл бұрын
not to mention that "target player loses the game" feels so much better than "You win the game" alternate wincons
@coreysierchio4650
Жыл бұрын
"Sometimes it's better to be a little lucky than a little good." ~ Seth, probably better known as SaffronOlive
@lachlank.8270
Жыл бұрын
SAFFfffronnnAwwlive
@AAtac-hw2sf
Жыл бұрын
51:59
@colinrobinson4464
Жыл бұрын
I pulled both Ramos and Door in my prerelease and actually got it off on my stunned opponent. It was crazy!
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
That sound awesome!
@mikastrae
Жыл бұрын
someone at my prerelease was gonna try to win with aetherflux, lol
@zirilan3398
Жыл бұрын
@@MTGGoldfishwhy isn't the Deck running Chalice of the Void?
@tofu585
Жыл бұрын
@@zirilan3398 why would it be running chalice?
@Cincinnatijames
Жыл бұрын
@@tofu585 Chalice is usually too slow for historic.
@zachgray4767
Жыл бұрын
"Well, let's see if we can keep the good times-" [opponent windmill-slams turn-1 Swiftspear]
@Aleris21
Жыл бұрын
Since this card was printed (when I was 14) I have tried and tried and tried to make a deck around it. Today, 18 years later. My dream comes true
@mikemoyer8162
Жыл бұрын
Jeeze has it been that long? Now I feel old.
@nathanaelmcmahan872
Жыл бұрын
It's been kinda easy in modern as long as it doesn't get countered. I can play it and activate on turn 4 with Tron IF I get a decent hand.
@jeffbo7515
2 ай бұрын
I use it in Commander 😂 Ramos Dragon Engine remove counters = win
@B-Ran_the_Man
Жыл бұрын
Every time I hear Seth mention about going through the door, I think of the game Munchkin. "Would you like to knock down the door?" "Yes" "You encounter a Door to Nothingness. You lost the game."
@shizzletts
Жыл бұрын
Munchkin is such a fun game! I could see them adding something like the Door to the game for the lolz. Always remember: NEVER pick up a duck in a dungeon!
@thoticcusprime9309
Жыл бұрын
@@shizzletts nty
@gregorybarnard5593
5 ай бұрын
Munchkin is the best!
@silkywilky7913
Жыл бұрын
Qwazar crashed the servers today
@lachlank.8270
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes boys and 3.5%
@WikiED
Жыл бұрын
Arena doesn't have problems with amount of cards in hand, the lag is somehow tied to World Trees. Somehow World Trees are fighting how Arena is calculating what you can do with mana and lag the game. The more World Trees you have the worse the game gets.
@stonerainproductions
Жыл бұрын
Seth holds the door open at the Hotel d'Nothing. Best Maitre D ever! 🤣
@Settop
Жыл бұрын
I built my own jank version of a door deck with chromatic orrery and trash for treasure, it's pretty fun when you get the turn 5 win with it. Fun to see another way to build the deck
@user-wluo
Жыл бұрын
Seth, you punted (sort of) at 38:24, while the creature land can be turned on, if it’s already targeted then then ward will not trigger.
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
Ohh, duh. Good call.
@ChaosForce08
Жыл бұрын
Timeless Lotus and Teferi were surprisingly good at supporting the Door wins. In regards to Freyalise, I don't think it really fits what Legacy elves wants to do since that deck is really focused on Natural Order and wants to play a ton of 1-mana elves for Glimpse of Nature. Modern Elves I could see using Freyalise, though.
@DoABarrelRol1l
Жыл бұрын
So is Amulet of Vigor not int he format Saffron plays? I feel like that would be great with the Lotus & Door although you can't double-tap Lotus like you could with Teferi but fast lands and artifacts sounds fantastic.
@ChaosForce08
Жыл бұрын
@@DoABarrelRol1l Amulet is not in Historic
@Mudder1310
Жыл бұрын
This takes me back. I used to play a door to nothingness deck with gates and mazes end with a bunch of fogs. It was something.
@bertdog2119
Жыл бұрын
8:27 Seth just casually paraphrases Machiavelli
@intelligentcounterspell16
Жыл бұрын
Your face was priceless when u hit that door to nothingness..... mine was the same 😯
@Juggernautohyeah
Жыл бұрын
As for the lag, from what I have heard, having more than 2 World Tree lands in play can cause a lot of lag. I think because each one is giving all your lands the "tap for any color" ability.
@vbkllr
Жыл бұрын
THE FUGS?!?!? I always love your taste in music. First Ween and Modest Mouse, then Captain Beefheart, and now The Fugs?!? Good job, man!
@Atmapalazzo
Жыл бұрын
In the first game you can see that Seth wanted to draw an untapped white source off the rev x6 and was concerned about losing to a muxus for lethal without having access to fateful absence, so he played a tapped land, forgetting that it was his 6th land, enabling world tree's mana fixing.
@roxyn.3204
Жыл бұрын
"Less go through this funny looking door"
@RumpledNutskin
Жыл бұрын
I'm only a little upset you didn't make the "show them the door" joke
@maxiewawa
Жыл бұрын
6:30 "Farewell the c*** out of our opponent" That's the strongest language I've ever heard Seth use and I've been watching since Tarkir block
@pablez94
Жыл бұрын
snowflake alert! ⚠️⚠️ ⚠️⚠️
@lachlank.8270
Жыл бұрын
....and keep da change, ya filthy animal!
@nomukun1138
Жыл бұрын
>a stranger on the internet self-censors as a joke >DENYING MUH FREEDOMS! >I MUST DESTROY HIS OR HER SOUL WITH THE CRUELEST INSULT "snowflake + emojis" >ha! gottem
@stevenreed9441
Жыл бұрын
It would be a cool effect if MTG Arena uninstalled itself from your computer when your opponent activates door to nothingness.
@stevebrule3526
Жыл бұрын
I got excited seeing this thumbnail, I've been playing a goofy door deck for a while now with replicating rings and a couple proliferate spells.
@BiscuitsJoe
Жыл бұрын
Whoever edits these videos get HUGE props for including The Fugs in the intro XD
@quentinthelen7173
Жыл бұрын
I’d kill for an ensnaring bridge in historic
@quentinthelen7173
Жыл бұрын
Would be the perfect answer to goblins that they could also answer with red spells.
@cha0sniper
Жыл бұрын
I'd kill for it to never be in historic >_>
@HurricaneGregor
Жыл бұрын
While we're there, might as well throw in some more classics: Trinisphere, Thorn of Amethyst, Mishra's Workshop... they have the Power 9 coded already, so might as well make it Vintage but with Alchemy cards at this point.
@frederickbernet6689
Жыл бұрын
This is why I watch your videos. Pure gold.
@petercollins1122
Жыл бұрын
22:58 Seth: "Wow, opponent's deck looks insane!" Have you not been playing much historic? Prior to Brother's war, this deck was almost half my matches in Bo1 on the ladder. Yeah, it's insane. The numbers have come down just a little due to all the new belcher decks in the last couple weeks, but yeah, Izzet aggro is the dominant deck in the format.
@Cincinnatijames
Жыл бұрын
I'm already sick of Belcher decks.
@petercollins1122
Жыл бұрын
@@Cincinnatijames They're annoying, but I think they're taking the place of some of the Mizzex Mastery-Dragonstorm combo decks, which I find so much worse. If my opponent wants to count to seven instead of counting to four, that just gives fair decks a better chance.
@nathancrevonis3351
Жыл бұрын
One of the darkest flavor texts on any card. Love it
@adamtobiasz8793
Жыл бұрын
Another awesome deck brother. It was fun to see a door literally kill opponents. I had a blast brother.
@koukaakiva
Жыл бұрын
Please teach Crim how to introduce a deck.
@Gophersaurus
Жыл бұрын
This was a super fun episode! That poor elf player, so many wraths!
@Sam-xu5nv
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I ended up replicating your 5 colour colourless strat with Chromatic Orrery for Door in Historic, works super well!
@kirillm2517
Жыл бұрын
This deck is really neat, and I was really surprised how often you got to activate the door. I'm wondering if that means that there is a controlling bant deck that ramps into Koma and Dreamtralwer in historic. Would be a cool throw back to pre-planeswalker control decks.
@Kopekemaster
Жыл бұрын
Would them animating the Hall actually "counter" Boseiju? I don't think it would, because Ward is a triggered ability *when* it becomes the target of something, and since the Boseiju is already targeting Hall, I don't think Ward would trigger if they animated it afterward.
@HurricaneGregor
Жыл бұрын
True, Ward is a triggered ability thus wouldn't trigger since it's already been targeted. Per the Gatherer rulings: "If an opponent casts a spell or ability that targets Hall of Storm Giants, and you activate the last ability in response, the ward ability Hall of Storm Giants gains won't trigger. (However, if it already had ward at the moment it became the target of the spell or ability, that instance of ward would trigger.)"
@Hiromesho
Жыл бұрын
Just a note on this if you target the hall of storm giants if they turn it on ward does not trigger because it’s already targeted.^^
@kotyrollins
Жыл бұрын
Alternate wins like that should have a unique animation.
@jocoder255
Жыл бұрын
For the +1 on the alchemy planeswalker, instead of the creature in your hand perpetually getting +1/+1,you: choose one either: exile an elf card face down from your hand and put a growth counter on it, or put a growth counter on a card exiled face down with it. Elves you control have +1/+1 for each growth counter on them, and your maximum hand size is reduced by 1 for each card exiled with it.
@grixmaw
Жыл бұрын
They could do Perpetually with stickers. Since those are now mechanics I think this is the best way that the Perpetually mechanic could work in paper based on what they have already introduced.
@wrenoryx
Жыл бұрын
Stickers are lost in the hand and library though
@SeiShinjitsuShi
Жыл бұрын
Your list supports Supreme verdict. Also, alt win con cards should have special animations.
@RafaelAAMerlo
Жыл бұрын
This was surprisingly much better than expected. I'm astonished 🤟
@jargon9173
Жыл бұрын
I made a Triumphant Reckoning/Mizzix's Mastery reanimator deck using Ramos Dragon Engine, Door to Nothingness as the wincon, Sphinx of the Guildpact, and Release to the Wind. Play all of the jeskai loot spells, get everything into the graveyard, play Mizzix's targeting Triumphant Reckoning, then untap and bounce the Sphinx with Release to the Wind. You get 5 counters on the Ramos Dragon Engine, then immediately use the double WUBRG mana on Door. Turn 5 ultimate jank win 😎😎😎😎😎
Жыл бұрын
I need that decklist...asking for a friend xD
@facepalmjesus1608
Жыл бұрын
Ramos + Sphinx is my way to open the Door too... i just use cost reduce artifacts
@jargon9173
Жыл бұрын
@ 4 Faithless Looting 3 Manifold Key 4 Faithful Mending 2 Thrilling Discovery 4 Release to the Wind 1 Chromatic Lantern 4 Mizzix's Mastery 4 Door to Nothingness 4 Ramos, Dragon Engine 4 Sphinx of the Guildpact 4 triumphant Reckoning Lands are just all the red/blue - white/blue- red/white duals I have, and 3 World Tree's
Жыл бұрын
@@jargon9173 Thank you very much! I'll have some fun with it
@ther3aper561
Жыл бұрын
I know it probably wouldn't happen but I'd love to see Saf in a PPR at LRR
@person3176
Жыл бұрын
that would be sweet!
@DimT670
Жыл бұрын
Didn't they have crim once? Why not seth?
@starmanda88
Жыл бұрын
Second this notion
@ImJustHereToWatch14
Жыл бұрын
@@DimT670 LRR tends to highlight mid-smaller creators at the PPR; Seth is one of the biggest influencers in magic today
@HurricaneGregor
Жыл бұрын
@@ImJustHereToWatch14 They've also had the indie creator Mark Rosewater on there. (Yes, it's a joke, but I'm just saying) There's also the awesome series called "Shuffle Up & Play" that the Professor at TCC puts on, which would also be amazing.
@Cincinnatijames
Жыл бұрын
I wish you would do more Historic content.
@MTGGoldfish
Жыл бұрын
I think I might, I had fun playing this deck.
@zackestin1368
Жыл бұрын
Man, the amount of salt id be if I was the elves opponent watching this vid and your top decks.
@mtgfoilcommander6338
Жыл бұрын
Wish I could play arena
@dylanchannell2531
Жыл бұрын
What happened to it? I tried to play earlier but it didn’t let me enter matchmaking.
@brushwagg7735
Жыл бұрын
I got a game in, just now. It was a little laggy, though. Also, does anyone know if MMR carries into mythic? I hit a lucky streak and got to top 100, but keep getting paired with plat/diamond players.
@jakecollin5499
Жыл бұрын
@@brushwagg7735 mmr is always there
@jakecollin5499
Жыл бұрын
@@dylanchannell2531 if I run as administrator it works, if I run it normally it just gets stuck on the loading screen
@syrelian
Жыл бұрын
I think Freyalise could probably be handled on a less uhh absurd levels of pump way with like +1: Place a +1/1 Counter on an Elf, if a Freyalise's Emblem is not in play, create one that reads "When an Elf enters the battlefield, remove one counter, if you do, give the Elf a +1/1 Counter", and then place one counter on a Freyalise's Emblem you control -1: Reveal Cards from the top till you reveal an Elf, add it to the hand and put the other reveal cards on the bottom in a random order -6: Create a Token named "Regal Force" with types stats abilities etc etc I don't know the exact syntax that'd be used, and Emblems always get wordy, but I feel like, while it doesn't give you the absurd "I play a 4/4 Elf" pump that buffing cards perpetually does, it does recreate the "buff Elves that have not yet arrived" energy Aside from that, Reveal dig obviously provides info Seek doesn't, and a Regal Force Token just vanishs rather than hitting GY/Exile I figure using an Emblem would make more sense than putting counters on Freyalise because A: As a Planeswalker she already hosts Loyalty Counters, and B: It means the buffs will still be in play even if she gets removed, which fits the spirit C: Just cause its funny it makes it a proliferate target I'm pretty sure Oh and D: Making it a single Emblem that uses counters, rather than multiple emblems that self-sac as part of the trigger, means it buffs many elves instead of mega-roiding a single elf
@NoName-oe3te
Жыл бұрын
In match 4, you don't need to worry about them turning on Hall of the Storm Giants. If you've already targeted it, making it a creature won't suddenly trigger ward. By that point it's too late.
@mikaeljordan
Жыл бұрын
That card is My Panharmonicon 😉 But it really likes the Ensnaring bridge
@ashdog9235
Жыл бұрын
Loved your historic prison deck from awhile back would love to see a more traditional stax or taxes list for historic or just any historic content personally think format has a lot of brewing potential
@thefoxden5753
9 ай бұрын
Try this deck on for size: Drannith Magistrate X2 Greater Auramancy X2 Ossification X2 Strict Proctor X2 Destiny Spinner X2 Damping Sphere X4 (can be replaced with anything else, it's just nice to have on opening draw if you don't have rule of law) Minimus Containment X2 Phyrexian Unlife X2 Solemnity X2 Rule of Law X2 Ground Seal X2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence X1 Shalai, Voice of Plenty X2 Defense of the Heart X2 (or without damping sphere X3 or 4 as it is an important card) Cosmos Elixir X2 The Immortal Sun X1 Approach of the Second Sun X2 (if all else fails, it's a back up plan) Avacyn, Angel of Hope X1 Mana base can be anything, but you can use 4 Lotus field thanks to strict proctor. Main idea of this deck is to prevent your opponent from being able to do literally anything. Main weaknesses of the deck are sacrifice and exile cards. You can add something to give Shalai hexproof so she can't be targeted by any removal as well, but I like to have her exposed to at least give my opponent a chance. The deck is kind of slow as well, but all around when you start putting cards down, especially when you get Avacyn, Shalai, and Greater Auramancy onto the field, your opponent is going to scopp 9/10. This deck is especially effective against tribal/aggresive decks/removal heavy decks. Approach of the second sun is a nice alternative win condition if all else fails.
@counterburn1216
Жыл бұрын
This card is what got me into magic the gathering. Built my very first commander deck just so I could play it. The commander was Cromat.
@reefalefunk1244
Жыл бұрын
That was so fun to watch. Loved every minute
@matthugenberg8869
Жыл бұрын
So, to explain, cards that were NERFED for ALCHEMY revert back to normal after rotation. Any BUFFS, no matter what, stay.
@randalljohnson6787
Жыл бұрын
Unfinity stickers make perpetual +1+1 abilities plausible
@SlocumJoe7740
Жыл бұрын
I have a Atotog Commander Deck, I call it WinCon Smorgasbord, It has every Gate and Mazes End for Mana with Land Tudors, Atogs and Commander protective Artifacts, Door to Nothingness, Barren Glory, Revel in Riches,. Basically as Win Conditions arise you go for them. Mazes End is the primary, but lets same your Barren Glory sticks, well you then you use Psychatog, Thaumatog and Atogatog to sac your hand, lands, and the other Atog including your commander on the End Step before your turn. All of the Win Cons are feasible, I thought the Deck would suck and be a Meme but thus far its winning games
@venomturtle17
Жыл бұрын
Seth turned into Hodor against Phoenix in match 4 "hold the door"
@jaggededge11
Жыл бұрын
I've been playing around with Door to Nothingness. Currently, I'm trying to work out using Jegantha (Along with Karn, Chromatic Orrery and Paradox Engine).
@BaygelTheDog
Жыл бұрын
Do u have a list?
@jaggededge11
Жыл бұрын
@@BaygelTheDog It's currently a pile, but this is what I'm currently working with: 4 Llanowar Elf 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Chromatic Star 4 Chromatic Sphere 4 Meria, Scholar of Antiquity 2 Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner 4 Karn, the Great Creator 2 Door to Nothingness 2 Golos 2 Jegantha 2 Paradox Engine 2 Timeless Lotus 1 Chromatic Orrery 1 Cascading Cataracts 1 Jegantha 1 Relic of Progenitus 1 Liquimetal Coating 1 Skysovereign, Consul Flagship 1 Paradox Engine 1 Door to Nothingness 1 God-Pharaoh's Statue 1 Chromatic Orrery 1 Cityscape Leveler 1 Sundering Titan
@BaygelTheDog
Жыл бұрын
@@jaggededge11 that looks sick tysm
@forisrex
Жыл бұрын
always fun to see door, even if its not in the most jankiest deck possible, still fun to see you playing the door
@tliessi
Жыл бұрын
About Freyalise and historic cards : I would really like to see some tournaments/matches with paper cards and proxys historic cards to see how all this digital only mechanics could work in paper
@Syyrik
Жыл бұрын
the song in the opening is Nothing by the Fugs
@mikeciul8599
Жыл бұрын
Fugs FTW! The Hodor gag was sweet too :D
@tommygol15br
Жыл бұрын
38:19 incorrect Very fun deck and video though :)
@zamba136
9 ай бұрын
My favorite Door deck is the deck that gives the opponent the door, and then forces them to willingly use the door on themselves, resetting the boardstate if they don't choose right. It's so evil.
@lordmeep5803
Жыл бұрын
HOLD DOOR HOLD DOOR HOLDDOOR!
@EmberHext
Жыл бұрын
wow I wasn't ready for The Fugs in a Magic video
@naomicoffman1315
Жыл бұрын
38:19 Ward triggers when a permanent becomes targeted, so if a permanent gains ward after it's been targeted, ward won't trigger.
@Starbug1S1
Жыл бұрын
I use Myr's with Door to Nothingness. I call it 'Myr to Nothingness'. I love my artifact deck.
@ShinjiSixteen
Жыл бұрын
5:09 Ah, yes, the kind of heartless monster I respect
@disafear3674
9 ай бұрын
This is the sort of Magic I want to watch
@ericvargo9324
Жыл бұрын
I know I'm late to this video but I'm always shocked that Seth doesn't have the Yargle Explore variant lol
@xLegendaryPete
Жыл бұрын
Maybe as a fun one of you can run the card like crackle with power? Because since you're running world tree you're going to have the red Mana
@wintersmill4853
Жыл бұрын
Travis Woo had a really awesome deck that played this card back in the day.
@VioletMoonfox
7 ай бұрын
I'd say instead of the in hand, if you wanted to make that an actual card, you could have it exiled and gains "This creature can be played from exile with a +1/+1 counter."
@Nullzeros
Жыл бұрын
This would be a fun historic match vs Maze’s end. Both ramp and want to rush to 10 lands and then just win.
@ryanpecina3561
6 ай бұрын
My grandpa's deck has no pathetic cards, but it does have door to nothingness
@TripsAhoy
Жыл бұрын
After all these years those couriers are still bonded lol.
@Crusina
Жыл бұрын
Seth I love the final match and the way you played it lol Show arena players what happens when you ruin the jank players fun!
@lt5334
Жыл бұрын
seth, game 2 against Phoenix you said "we cant boseiju hall bc of ward" but you can. you boseiju target the hall, then they activate in response but it doesnt matter because ward says "becomes the target" but boseiju already declared it a legal target, ward wouldn't trigger.
@therileyman97
Жыл бұрын
How quickly we all forgot Hodor
@torrent0411
Жыл бұрын
I like the fifth dawn door to nothingness best, i had a door to nothingness deck back in the day but i was a poor teenager and only had two of them, but it was still a fun deck, i pretty much only played it in group games.
@zirilan3398
Жыл бұрын
I really hope we see a return to the Sunburst mechanic at one point and a pioneer-reprint of Etched Oracle.
@astuteanansi4935
Жыл бұрын
Seth out here literally sending fools to the shadow realm
@rune30
Жыл бұрын
Should name this deck "Don't let the door hit you on the way out."
@butdoesitscrub3457
Жыл бұрын
I've been playing this with Ramos in brawl. Been so much fun
@cambecker6514
Жыл бұрын
Chandra’s ability in the belcher game only works on red spells
@Psyman2
Жыл бұрын
38:30 ward only matters on cast. If they turn it into a creature after you've targeted it, ward won't trigger.
@bradleylovej
3 ай бұрын
This was a fun deck!
@adkohler
Жыл бұрын
Re: paper Freyalise: Garth one-eye creates copies of cards like Shivan Dragon, so I don't know why you couldn't have a paper planeswalker that makes a copy of a creature card that becomes a token.
@andretect
Жыл бұрын
This was the first single I ever bought. I thought it was the most OP card ever. Turns out I was right
@TMidander
Жыл бұрын
Excellent intro :D
@derekhall8453
Жыл бұрын
0:54 double WURBRG 🤣
@Busker_3000
Жыл бұрын
I build a Door deck around defenders using Axebane Guardians. Cheap walls(Fog bank is surprisingly OP) then clone Axebane a few times. Soo much mana.
@TerminallyNerdy
Жыл бұрын
I need to see you tackle Arcane Bombardment SaffronOlive I love that enchantment and I got UR deck built around it and effects like it, but I would love to see a more pro player tackle it.
@Lotties_handsaw
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i remember seeing doorway as a newb back in 2012, and even at the time thinking it would be impossible to win with
@sherlockfury
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16:43 they needed to attack with the goblin to get the treasure but could only cast the belcher on Chandra activation - it's not 'may cast until end of turn'
@LadyMapi
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They could have still cast it, swung in with the goblin for the treasure, and then activated it. As much as it might feel like it sometimes, you don't have to pay all 7 mana at once. :p
@r4g1ngph03n1x
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38:20 If a permanent gains ward after its already been targeted, nothing happens. Ward is a triggered ability so if it gains ward after the event that would trigger ward, it does not protect the permanent.
@LadyMapi
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"To support the Belcher plan, you do need to have all MDFCs"... This isn't technically true, but the Mana Severance → Belcher line doesn't work nearly as well. :p (I would actually love to see a Boros Belcher deck for Against the Odds at some point, using Endless Horizons to exile all of the Plains in your library before the kill.)
@LadyMapi
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If you think about it, Door to Nothingness is really just a Belcher that asks for a little more mana (just a smidge) in exchange for letting you run real lands and normal ramp.
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