No problem. They're great for heat plus you have the bonus of a lovely roaring real fire in winter, who needs TV, :) Cost, here in the Highlands its 6 of 1, half dozen of the other, we don't have piped gas so it's electric, oil, tank gas or coal, all are about the same cost wise, coal is cheaper if you can buy it by the load but you need somewhere for the wagon to dump it then heave it to the bunker, the downside of it is the soot and annual sweep, also going out to the bunker in the cold andwet
@jeffebdy
5 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant... thank you! Not had a coal fire since I was a small lad, used logs the past few years...but have a multi fuel stove now and just couldn't figure out how to light it with smokeless coal.... will have a go tonight...
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks glad it helped you
@theoddjobcentre6686
2 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 wish we still had a parkray they put airsource heating on a few years ago
@theoddjobcentre6686
2 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 we used to have our parkray on 24 hours a day every day it only went out twice a year for the chimney getting swept
@jimowens5689
8 жыл бұрын
wish I knew all this when I fitted a second hand unit ten years ago , all good info ,thanks for excellent info !
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Owens You're welcome, glad it was useful
@izzym5879
7 жыл бұрын
the best way to light👍👍💥💥
@danagalloway463
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I had no idea how to use our stove
@spidiq8
11 жыл бұрын
heating the rads properly, once its warmed and circulating you can turn down the airflow and keep it topped up and it'll maintain a good consistent temp, things like regular baths, (if you have a big family etc) will affect it as it heats the water as well but you should have an electric immersion for boosts and when you don't use the fire. DO make sure you check the chimney has been recently swept, once a year if you don't bank up overnight is fine, twice if you do, you can do it yourself......
@GoldPanningIRE
6 жыл бұрын
Very informative and helpful , thanks
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad it helped.
@spidiq8
11 жыл бұрын
It can take up to half an hour for the heat to raise enough to start the motor pumping, it cycles once then takes another ten min or so for the now cold water in the jacket to raise again then it will pump continuously till the coal burns out and the temp drops, mine starts pumping at around 50 C. If you have an accessible sensor on the outlet pipe check the temp and set it lower to start the heat pumping sooner, maybe check you have adequate draw to get the fuel burning too? Hope this helps..
@spidiq8
11 жыл бұрын
..easily and the brushes aren't pricey but it's messy. It's certainly not as convenient as gas but theres a charm about a real fire. The technique in the video will light even coal thats wet BTW, a good grid of kindling and one piece of firelighter and a bit of practise. ANother thing to check, is yours a multifuel stove? if so you can burn peat, logs, etc and in some places can get a license to chop and collect your own wood which can save some money, worth checking. hope that helps........
@richardjohnbuckingha
9 жыл бұрын
Great video, and great advice in the comments. Thank you!
@trignoriver1
8 жыл бұрын
Outstanding draft. Congratulations.
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
Thankyou.
@skyisclear8461
9 жыл бұрын
Very helpful and clear, thanks
@iaindennis3321
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got two Victorian coal fires that I have had restored and are in full working order - I use the Grenadier electric fire lighter - no paper, wood, chemical fire lighters or matches - love a coal fire, just need to keep it as easy as possible.
@spidiq8
4 жыл бұрын
Iain Dennis I've not heard of that. it'd be interesting to see it in action.
@iaindennis3321
4 жыл бұрын
spidiq8 I found it on Amazon - my great uncle used to have one, saves a load of mess and hassle.
@izzym5879
7 жыл бұрын
the best way to light👍👍
@Swimmingforlife.
6 жыл бұрын
Ahh the old Parkray, I had the exact same fire, we got Natural Gas in our village and we took it out for easier heating, big mistake, house has never had the same heat as it did with anthracite.
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
Johnny Rogerson Good for heart but messy, I wouldn't miss the layers of coal dust.
@andycloquet
9 жыл бұрын
Good wee clip. I have just bought a multifuel grate for my stove as I was told it had to have one to burn coal yet you successfully used coal straight ontop of kindling. Any reason you can think of why I should need a grate?
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I use alot less coal to wood. Will I be OK using smokeless Coal with the wood baffle?
@spidiq8
11 жыл бұрын
No smokeless in this one, I've never tried it but never heard a good thing about it and it costs more as well. This kicks out some heat once i'ts stoked up and easily fires 8 rads.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
I've heard that normal coal damages stoves. Do you have any problems with that?
@andyhill9562
10 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate,very helpful
@spidiq8
10 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@spidiq8
11 жыл бұрын
Once you have the measure of how it heats your rads and boiler you'll have a better idea of useage cost, all are different, mine fires 8 rads and the water tank, 2 regular scuttles will do a full day from about lunchtime, one scuttle will suffice for an evening after work, some people buy bags of dross, (loose small stuff), to bank the fire up overnght so it keeps the heating ticking over, they're so easy to light I don't see the point myself, one other thing, it takes about 30 min to get.......
@mattseymour8637
6 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Will use these ideas for my stove. You know the back metal baffle. Where do you put it if you have removed it?
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad it was helpful. Do you mean the throat plate? You should have 2, a double one for coal and a single one for wood, I store the spare one in the cupboard next to the fireplace. One of them should be fitted depending on what you're using.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 mine came with only 1 baffle which was solid but had a bend shape in it. Is this used for both?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 No. The single baffle is for wood only and will draw too much air for burning coal. The extra heat this generates can't be controlled easily and will warp the grating bars and most will escape wasted up the chimney. You need a double throat plate for coal burning.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 but as you said before a little bit of smokeless coal will be ok ?
@spidiq8
9 жыл бұрын
@Sam Short They get very hot, and can get too hot to touch if you let the fire blaze away undamped, (not recommended) This one fires 8 radiators and would probably manage a couple more.
@samshort3932
9 жыл бұрын
Ok do you have to get your chimney swept a lot and can the stove do the hot water as well as the radiators and do you have to have a flue liner for your stove thanks
@spidiq8
9 жыл бұрын
Once a year, you could have it done twice if you wanted but I find once is adequate. It heats the water as well as the radiators, stove and back boiler and the flue liner would most likely be dependant on what's already existing there and if recommended. You'd need to check that last one with a qualified fitter.
@samshort3932
9 жыл бұрын
Ok are your radiators double or single thanks
@spidiq8
9 жыл бұрын
5 double, 2 single, and a bathroom unit but would be equivalent to a single and possibly larger
@samshort3932
9 жыл бұрын
Thank you you have been a very good help thanks
@mattseymour8637
6 жыл бұрын
Will send one when next at the stove. Will be tomorrow probably
@samshort3932
9 жыл бұрын
Hi Do the rads get hot or do they just get warm as am thinking of getting rid of my oil boiler and getting a parkay stove like this one thanks
@Derryadam
9 жыл бұрын
Video was a great help. Thanks. I recently moved into a property with this same fire (parkray chiltern) I'm still learning how to use it as previous owner was unable to pass on instructions. Iv been told that these units are only suitable for smokeless coal and have been burning anthracite for a few months. Can they be used with household coal safely also?
@spidiq8
9 жыл бұрын
If it's the same as this one then you can burn anything that'll burn on it. I burn regular household coal, (doubles) on it and have burned wood on it with the appropriate throat plate in place, they're a multifuel stove. Be sure to check to see if there are regulations in place for what you can burn in your area. Glad the video was useful.
@malcolmnorfolk7896
11 жыл бұрын
thankyou thats a good bit of advice!
@morphebxbe4693
5 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video on what to do with the dials in the airing cupboard near pump? My radiators don’t stay or grow hotter?
@goonluv
10 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm moving into a property that has one of these in. Can I ask some questions. How long do you have to wate to fill a bath. How much a month to run it on coal can you keep it burning all night if so how. Cheers
@MassiveBeaver
9 жыл бұрын
My coal fire is similar and is going crazy and I can't seem to get it to just tick over. I've turned the knob at the side right down but that hasnt worked. If the heating is on it seems to be alright and works too well but when the heating is off the boiler goes crazy. I would like to know how to just get it to tick over on a low setting. Cheers.
@spidiq8
9 жыл бұрын
+Tom Bainbridge It sounds like you have excessive airflow, if you consider your basic principles of the fire triangle, you need fuel, heat and oxygen for a fire to grow, fuel and heat are a given factor in a stove assembly so the main controllable element is oxygen, (airflow), well, you could regulate the fuel but not easily. So the knob on the side controls a flap and should be connected to a bimetallic strip and thermostatso it closes up gradually as the heat of the jacket increases, these go faulty so you eventually have to replace or manually close the flap, that's one source of air, the plate at the front that covers the ash pan will have a small plate vent which uncovers a couple of slots, make sure that's closed and make sure the plate seals well around the face, that's another source of air. the doors themselves can draw air through, (cracked or missing glass, like one of mine on the video will allow some through, though in my case it's complete so it doesn't draw much), also the seal of the door needs to be decent too. finally, you should have a throat plate at the flue opening, a large plate covering the flue to restrict the speed of the air draw through, a coal throat plate will be a double one and a wood burning a single one that's lighter and less restrictive as coal burns more fiercely than logs do. Check these areas and correct, you should be able to visually inspect the side flap and the seals can be checked by holding a match or burning paper around the ash pan cover or doors, better if it's a windy day and the smoke should draw through if there's a big gap anywhere. Hope this is useful
@malcolmnorfolk7896
11 жыл бұрын
hi thanks for the video!....we are just moving into a 3 bed house with coal fire central heating...im a bit miffed about it how it all works and is it any good????...in regards to the coal...how long would half ton last?...and is it cheaper than central gas heating system?..any advice would very much be apree!!!!....a novice to the coal system and have not got a clue!!!!!...thanks mal.
@tricky1992000
11 жыл бұрын
I've the same model, do you have any issues with radiators not coming on? or how long does it take? I can only get my radiators to turn on by taking the bottom plate off.
@damionsomerfield
5 ай бұрын
Hello, mate is that a partray Chiltern i service one the other day . I assume this does not need a door seal from this video am I right. Good video appreciate it
@spidiq8
5 ай бұрын
Hi, yes it is. It should have a cord type door seal. You can buy it on a roll from suppliers. Looks like the old sash window rope but it's heat resistant.
@damionsomerfield
5 ай бұрын
@@spidiq8 thanks matey
@mattseymour8637
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice. Mine is the baffle at the back and only have 1 that goes in. I will be using wood and Coal. How do I put this baffle plate on?
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
Is it a single plate with an apex like a roof? Or dual flat plates that connect together? The latter is for solid fuel as it restricts the flow more, burning coal with the single plate means it can burn too fiercely. For fitting however. There's a hinge which fits upward through the slot in the flue and sits on either edge then the pin at the front locks into the hole at the top front of the stove, hopefully that makes sense, if you check you've likely got one fitted in already and the other is your spare.
@mattseymour8637
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice. But mine is one single piece and only has 2 prongs at the bottom spaced apart. How does this particular one fit?
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
I'm not entirely sure from the description, could you send a picture of it to spidiq8@aol.com?
@OneEyePI
5 жыл бұрын
Is that bitumenous coal? You're risking an explosion if it is.
@spidiq8
4 жыл бұрын
It's coal from the coal man, hopefully he's not into selling exploding coal, so far no booms around. :)
@RenaissanceEarCandy
4 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 I recognise the coal you are burning as Bituminous Coal, commonly called “Lump Coal” or “House Coal” is not suitable for multi-fuel stoves and its use would probably invalidate the stove’s warranty. It burns with long flames which pass around the throat plate and play directly on the unprotected top of the stove with the likely result of a burned out throat plate and/or cracked top plate. Bituminous coal also creates high volumes of soot which can block the throat plate and flue, causing fumes to be emitted into the room with potentially fatal results. It also burns much hotter than smokeless coal (which is what you should be using in your multi fuel stove) so will eventually melt your stove. All in all, multi fuel stoves are simply not designed to burn house coal. talk to your coal man about smokeless fuel.
@spidiq8
4 жыл бұрын
@@RenaissanceEarCandy Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I'll look into it.
@ShronGriffiths
8 жыл бұрын
I have a stove and back boiler too, but only one air vent behind the doors, do you turn the heat knob at the side of the stove down once the fire is going ?
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
+Sharon Aur If your stove had a bimetallic control on the flap that the knob control you shouldn't have to manually turn it down, it works like a basic thermostat where the heat closes it and as it cools it opens again regulating it so that it doesn't burn too fiercely. You can of course turn it down manually and close the flap and as less air is drawn in it will burn cooler and more slowly. Hope that makes sense to you?
@nw8000
3 жыл бұрын
How do I service that back boiler?
@spidiq8
3 жыл бұрын
How do you mean exactly? Youcan flush the system annually with a proprietary anti corrosive.
@nw8000
3 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 I meant looking for defects in the boiler tubes rather then flushing the rads and pipes and then adding an acid or inhibitor, Thanks for replying
@1012Shaggy
10 жыл бұрын
How long does 20Kg last you or (44Lb???) burning consistently on a low heat as if someone is home all day. We are new to using coal its cheap in our area but want to work out how much we use compared to using wood.
@spidiq8
10 жыл бұрын
Honestly i couldn't say, there will be variables such as how well your place retains heat and the water tank, also, the quality of the coal, the type etc, one fires low could be quite different to another. I never run the fire all day as I'm out in the day I might use 2 scuttles on a weekend day sometimes.
@hibstillidie
8 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. I was wondering the type of coal you're using. I have a similar stove and boiler with 6 radiators running from it. I've been using a mix of anthracite and smokless ovals. It's costing a fortune and regardless of what any Marchand says it burn pretty fast. A couple of people have said use house coal? Columbian or maybe Scottish doubles? So I was wondering if these coals get hot enough to heat the boiler and radiators? Thanks.
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
+hibstillidie Standard house coal, doubles, fires 8 rads and heats the water tank no problem. One scuttle will burn for about 6 hours, once warm, airflow can be turned right down and subsequent loads will burn more slowly
@hibstillidie
8 жыл бұрын
+spidiq8 thank you. I get 7 50kg of smokless for nearly £150 and that isn't lasting the month in this cold weather. I can get a half ton of doubles for £130. So this is so much better and affordable.
@brennasachdev6557
7 жыл бұрын
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@OneEyePI
5 жыл бұрын
Bitumenous coal emits volatile gasses during the "smoking" phase before it catches. These can build up in your flue and then when the flame catches the whole lot can combust causing an explosion which can blow the glass out and the doors open, sending coals into the room. It can also run away if it gets too much air, causing the stove to get red hot, crack, open the seams or buckle. Aside from this the heat is too much for most baffle plates, which can warp or burn through, and using bitumenous coal in a multifuel burner can invalidate the warranty and your home insurance.
@goonluv
10 жыл бұрын
Oh forgot to ask has it got a air wash system. Basically air to the glass to keep it clean. Cheers
@spidiq8
10 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes, it has. Bath depends on the water tank size, but about 2-3 hours from lit probably, I haven't timed it properly. You can bank it up with Dross and turn the heat low for overnight and it will stay lit till early
@Diesel8290
11 жыл бұрын
do you burn smokless or house coal? i burnt smokeless coal in my stove once it was utter shite. i probably got more heat from wood. i burn house coal in my stove and sticks aswell
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
Does it damage your stove?
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
OK so if I burn mainly wood with a bit of coal or smokeless I will be better with the wood baffle?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
Yes, as long as you use less coal than wood as the bigger draw will make the coal burn hotter and faster.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 I try that and seems to work well I use the smokeless coal
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 I only tend to use a bit to get a good base for the wood .so this will be ok ?
@jimowens5689
8 жыл бұрын
hello again, is there a baffle or throat plate to burn wood on this model ,flames go straight up chimney ,especially on windy day .I've been using a plate which has printed on it - remove when burning wood, thanks ,jim
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, there's a much more basic single throat plate for wood burning which replaces the double one for coal burning. If you Google parkray spares you should find a list of all the component parts, the wood burning throat plate is much cheaper than the double coal burning one.
@jimowens5689
8 жыл бұрын
+spidiq8 thanks a lot ,have a nice Christmas !
@spidiq8
8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Owens You're welcome, and you too
@richardedwards5681
6 жыл бұрын
Hi don't suppose you know the make and model of this fire? My daughter just bought a house with this fitted and trying to find more info please
@spidiq8
6 жыл бұрын
Richard Edwards Yes, the model is the Parkray 111 Chiltern, there's another called the Cumbria if I remember correctly which is exactly the same but the side panels and top are slightly different. I.e. the fitting kit is interchangeable but the fireplace is the same.
@cwli1
7 жыл бұрын
How easy is it to cut coal lumps into smaller pieces? How? I found some place selling 'smokeless ovals' so wondered about cutting them up.
@johnn7614
5 жыл бұрын
Getting a multi fuel burning stove fitted next month and a lot of stuff I'm reading online is people all saying different stuff. Can I burn normal house coal? Just I like the flame it gives off better but online it says you could get a flash explosion? I've never heard of this before. So was thinking of using smokeless coal and putting logs on top, then it says online not to do this because the wood and coal mixed together will damage the flue? Is this true or a lot of rubbish from tree huggers or what?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
Largely nonsense, multifuel means it can burn different types. Normal house coal and smokeless need a different throat plate that's more restrictive. Wood uses a single throat plate that's less restrictive. (More air draw to make it burn more fiercely. The risk is burning heaps of coal with no throat plate or the wood one installed. It's quite common otherwise to use a thin layer of coal then logs on top. The only flash risk you'll face is due to excessive soot buildup. Get the chimney and flue swept annually every summer and it'll work great. If you want to exclusively burn coal and a lot. Like continuously through the day and back it up overnight you might want to get stainless steel grate bars as the cast iron will warp and crack over time and need replacing.
@johnn7614
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 Finally some sense. Thank you.
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@johnn7614 No problem. One thing worth mentioning, though you wouldn't be able to buy it for home use is not to use commercial grade anthracite as used in furnaces. (Though there's not many now). A friends parents once did and it burns much hotter than household coal and can melt the grate. If there was an existing coal fire I'd recommend you get the chimney swept before using the new one as soot can accumulate.
@MrMonero
6 ай бұрын
I’m just moving to a house with a very similar stove. No gas connected and no oil or gas tank so I am assuming there is a back boiler or water jacket around the stove to heat the water. That said I have looked all over the house for a circulation pump and can’t find one anywhere so I have no idea if it’s all in tact and working. Buggered if I know.
@spidiq8
6 ай бұрын
If it has a back boiler there should be pipes very close by and a pump to circulate the water for radiators.
@MrMonero
6 ай бұрын
@@spidiq8 have found out it’s not a separate back boiler. It’s a water jacket that is integral to the stove itself. That said there still must be a circulation pump somewhere to drive the water around the 10 radiators throughout the bungalow. I just can’t find it. I have been in the airing cupboard, all around the cylinder, around the stove, up in the loft, even in the electrical cupboard. Can’t find one anywhere?!
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
Is this specifically designed for coal?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
Do you mean the fireplace? If so, no, this is a multi fuel stove and can burn coal or wood. If you mean the lighting method, then yes, as coal is harder to light than wood. A firelighter and a few sticks of kindling will get a log fire going quickly.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 so more wood for lighting coal best?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 I always felt that worked best, I think firelighters burn up too quickly to effectively transfer the heat to the coal properly.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 don't they say real coal is not good for stoves? Is it best if I use smokeless coal?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 Not that I'm aware of? I believe you only have to use smokeless if you're in a controlled area that only allows the use of smokeless fuel but having never used it personally I don't know how well it works. This stove is designed for burning everything from wood to coal though.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
I've heard that burning normal housecoal warps your stove and can crack your baffle plate. Is this correct?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
In this stove? No. Not at all. The grate bars over time will bend and eventually crack and have to be replaced. Maybe once a year if the fire is left burning overnight or every couple if not but you can buy chrome ones which last much longer. As long as you have correct double baffle plate for solid fuel in and not the single one for wood.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for info. Mine has the baffle which came with the stovr and is multifuel. So using a small amount of coal occasionally should be OK?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 It should have been supplied with two. A single one with an apex crease which is for wood and a two part flat one which sits closer to the flue which is for solid fuel, if you burn coal with the wood one the draw will be too strong and it'll burn very fiercely which is OK occasionally with a smallish amount but will quickly destroy your grate bars and potentially heat the water jacket too much if there aren't enough radiators to draw the hot water.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
Mine only had 1 baffle plate with it. It is in 1 piece and has a shape to it. Is this not the coal one?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 if it's a single one which slopes each side no. That's for wood burning. You'd be OK throwing a shovel full of coal on top of the wood for a bit extra heat but don't pile it up or it'll be really ferocious. It would take repeated uses and over a few months to really damage your grate but the bigger risk is the draw pulling flames up your chimney.
@ruthmccoy8853
7 жыл бұрын
Kindling not kindlers. Also paper, firelighter then kindling and coal will light 100% of the time. With smokeless too etc. Also you need to change the left glass panel. That's dangerous!
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
I meant the fireplace yes. How do you light coal as supposed to wood then?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
Just as per this video, it typically needs a couple of pieces of firelighter and more kindling to get the coal to it's combustible temperature whereas wood has a lower combustible temperature.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 so just put more kindling in to light the coal ?
@spidiq8
5 жыл бұрын
@@mattseymour8637 Yes. The flashpoint of coal is higher than wood so it needs a maintained heat to ignite the coal first. Once the coal is burning it will maintain itself.
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 thanks will try plenty of kindling
@mattseymour8637
5 жыл бұрын
@@spidiq8 when burning just wood is it best to leave some ash on the grate ?
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