i love how you constantly switch between base 10, base 10 and base 10
@issue_agreeable9476
Жыл бұрын
@ainielyabut6191true, needs more comments
@Thiegocolla77
Жыл бұрын
HEY
@Thiegocolla77
Жыл бұрын
I use base 36,
@remy-u8t
Жыл бұрын
@@Thiegocolla77you mean base 10?
@wyattstevens8574
11 ай бұрын
Yeah- "all bases are base 1-0." ("Base Neutral method for base names")
@jaromchristensen5598
4 жыл бұрын
I finally get it, all those "IlIlIlIlIlIl" gamertags are just their IQ in unary
@pentelegomenon1175
3 жыл бұрын
An IQ measurement would have to be much less precise if it was unary-based, so maybe that's good.
@YamamotoTV2021
3 жыл бұрын
Mine is more like llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
@shadowflamelightburst4503
3 жыл бұрын
I have an iq of 99, I only missed one question on the test
@idontwantahandlethough
3 жыл бұрын
Its the internet equivalent of those "1I1I111II1" license plates.
@idontwantahandlethough
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpencerTwiddy No, not in most places. They used to, but then people did it and now you can't. You'll also notice that most (maybe all) states don't use either an A or R, because in simple fonts they look too similar (think of how an old school LED alarm clock would display A and R as the same because they only have 7 "lines" for drawing the screen readout). They also don't use the letter O because it looks like a 0 (zero). You can usually get those on customizable plates, but then you'd be a loser with customizable plates. The only decent one I've ever seen in my entire life was a VW bug that's license was "NO BACKS", which was pretty clever. And just in case anyone doesn't know: Those license plates don't do much. Not only can the police just look it up (they don't need the whole plate, and I bet the IT guy at the precinct could even do a regex expression search if you needed to!). Also, they're only going to do that the first time. Afterwards, they'll all just know you as "that asshole with the license plate" which makes your car and plate even more recognizable than normal. I guess if you only use the plate to race out-of-state, it might come in handy? But at that point, just take your plate off if you're planning to run from the cops. It'll just get plea bargained away when you inevitably get caught.
@fairycat23
5 жыл бұрын
"After all, that's what really counts." The pun is appreciated.
@zionj104
5 жыл бұрын
No it's not. It caused me physical pain.
@DaVince21
3 жыл бұрын
It's appreciated by other people.
@disgustof-riley8338
2 жыл бұрын
I KNOW ITS GREAT
@quinn7894
2 жыл бұрын
@Fihlippe Luhis Maybe.
@columbus8myhw
5 жыл бұрын
OK here me out Unary 1 = | 2 = || 3 = ||| 4 = |||| 5 = ||||| All fractions are equally unimportant
@eufalesio1146
5 жыл бұрын
also zero apparently lol
@eufalesio1146
4 жыл бұрын
r/woooosh
@valium97582
4 жыл бұрын
Huh, this only has two likes!
@le_plankton
4 жыл бұрын
columbus8myhw yea the guy speaking about base IIIIIIIIIIII is very stupid
@nixel1324
4 жыл бұрын
For ratios, you could create a new system. I'm not even remotely an expert, so I'm gonna coin this (most likely already named) system "Nested dots" (since calling them decimal points is like calling Dozenal "Duodecimal"): For DEC1/4th, you write ".IIII". DEC3.25 would be "III.IIII". So what about three fourths? DEC3.75 would be "III.IIII.IIII.IIII", so literally three fourths. Just don't try to write IP adresses in this notation, you'll run into issues.
@huhneat1076
3 жыл бұрын
"(also you should say quarters it's more proper)" "Fair enough." _proceeds to call it fourths_
@TheEvilCheesecake
2 жыл бұрын
There's only one logical name for the thing between thirds and fifths.
@the1exnay
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheEvilCheesecake You make a good point: wholes, halves, thirds, half halves, fifths, third halves, septenths, half halve halves... Etc
@disgustof-riley8338
2 жыл бұрын
No the fair enough was regarding the important of fourths. Quarters isn't more or less proper than fourths; one is used in the US and one is used in the UK. jan Misali is clearly from the US and thus says fourths
@etekweb
Жыл бұрын
@@disgustof-riley8338 we use quarters for some things in the US. Most notably for our money (25¢ piece is a quarter). But also quarter gallon (though this is shortened to "quart"), or in divisions of a year (Q1 2023 = Jan-Mar 2023). -If I had to guess as to why we use fourth when talking about fractions in math in the US, I would say that it has to do with keeping them lined up with how we enumerate lists in writing (first, second, third, fourth) - using quarter in that context would make no sense.- EDIT: I just thought about it for a bit and realize we don't use "second" for fractions either, we use half. So I retract my guess. I mean, fourth clearly comes from enumeration terms, but that doesn't answer the "why". It honestly might just be to avoid confusion with money. Or perhaps something to do with how we measure things in inches/feet.
@AlphaFX-kv4ud
Жыл бұрын
@Ethan Matzdorf I'm from the US and I've never heard people use Q1 for jan-mar like that
@dargonthedrgn1424
4 жыл бұрын
I love the term "threeven" so much
@Miju001
3 жыл бұрын
@SQ38 Probably
@EsperantistoVolulo
3 жыл бұрын
@@Miju001 But what if the number can be written as 3k+2?(k is a natural number) throden?
@Miju001
3 жыл бұрын
@@EsperantistoVolulo I think it'd still be throdd
@HeadCannon19
3 жыл бұрын
@SQ38 But there could be 3 forms of threeven-ness, just like there's 2 forms of even-ness (I know the actual word is parity but who cares). There's numbers that are divisible by 3, numbers that are just above a multiple of 3, and numbers that are just below a multiple of 3. In addition to threeven (3n), I'll call these morven (3n+1) and lessven (3n-1) because I'm coming up with these names on the spot and I lack imagination. Anyways, another cool thing about seximal is that the 6 digits correspond with all possible combinations of evenness and threevenness, so you an easily tell both by the last digit of any number 0=even & threeven 1=odd & morven 2=even & lessven 3=odd & threeven 4=even & morven 5=odd & lessven
@dragonick2947
2 жыл бұрын
It'd make a good character name
@nivolord
5 жыл бұрын
I am really starting to like seximal, it's weird I never considered it. Some of my reasons are: - I liked binary and balanced ternary as bases from a fundamental standpoint, and 2*3 = 6. - Standard dice are 6 sided, which reflects the fact that there are 6 directions in 3D space. - 1+2+3 = 6, so my only reason for liking decimal (1+2+3+4=10) works for seximal too.
@mskiptr
5 жыл бұрын
On the other hand, every even base cannot be balanced : (
@carbonmonteroy
5 жыл бұрын
Base 15 (1+2+3+4+5) here I come
@gamerrfm9478
4 жыл бұрын
Primary base (1=1)
@Flourish38
4 жыл бұрын
@@gamerrfm9478 That would be unary, which was mentioned in the video, actually! Tally marks are a unary counting method. Unfortunately, it can't really represent anything but nonzero integers, making it almost completely impractical.
@gamerrfm9478
4 жыл бұрын
TheGreenNinja Sorry! I must’ve gotten it wrong! I was simply making a joke on its uselessness and I fully acknowledge how terrible of a system it would be.
@MajorLeagueBassboost
5 жыл бұрын
broke: changing the imperial system to metric woke: changing the decimal system to base 12 or 6 so the units fit
@Liggliluff
5 жыл бұрын
But the imperial system, even in base 12 or 6, is still wack. We can still use the metric system, but replace all the 10-powers to 6-powers. A kilo isn't 10³ but instead 6³, and so on.
@soulswordobrigadosegostar
4 жыл бұрын
@@Liggliluff we could just use any base then...just change the powers...
@Leyrann
4 жыл бұрын
The imperial system is too irregular. If you're changing to a dozenal system anyway, you might as well introduce a new metric that uses the dozenal system like the current metric system uses decimal. All you have to change is the constants that appear in various places in formulas, as well as our mental associations with what size of number is about right in a certain situation. The second one is automatic for a new generation that grows up with the new base 12 and new constants.
@soulswordobrigadosegostar
4 жыл бұрын
@@Leyrann it's either that or change the imperial system
@want-diversecontent3887
4 жыл бұрын
Liggliluff The *_s t i c k_*
@timefortjer6705
5 жыл бұрын
"A base one hundred system is inconvenient" Ithkuil: Hold my beer
@BetaDude40
3 жыл бұрын
"A base 100 system is inconvenient" Ithkuil: *ôdhwawe* ... i think. I have no idea if that's right, Ithkuil is fuckin impossible to understand
@liamjedi5341
3 жыл бұрын
so count from 1 to 99 in ithkuil
@MarkoMikulicic
2 жыл бұрын
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk Iţkuîl ňal
@methyod
Жыл бұрын
@@BetaDude40 that does seem like it'd be a fun word to loudly declare before doing something dumb
@isaacthedestroyerofstuped7676
5 жыл бұрын
Base-5040 is clearly the best.
@stevensilvers3852
5 жыл бұрын
SO MANY FACTOOOORS
@paytonrichards784
5 жыл бұрын
Base infinity is far better.
@rateeightx
5 жыл бұрын
Base i Is Best!
@lpu_n.4926
5 жыл бұрын
@@rateeightx I know it's a joke but you can't have a base i, but I don't know if it's possible to have an usable imaginary base at all ? interesting idea
@rateeightx
5 жыл бұрын
@@lpu_n.4926 So... Base Pi?
@russellcurtis6334
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely call it seximal. The snickering in math class every time the teacher mentions it makes it worthwhile.
@epingchris
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, astronomy teachers can't be the only ones to suffer.
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
Also, I saw someone else in this comment section saying to call "dozenal" "biseximal", which I enjoyed.
@Gavin_M.
3 жыл бұрын
@@MCLooyverse As a bisexual, I would love this
@themobiusfunction
2 жыл бұрын
I call it Base Six
@joda7697
2 жыл бұрын
Or bitrinary if you're a teacher tired of your student's shit. Just saying.
@andrewphilos
4 жыл бұрын
Here's a really stupid reason that's convinced me to switch to seximal: It's pretty easy to count to yourself. For example, if you're sorting out objects or doing pushups, it's easier to do them in groups of six than in groups of ten--I tend to get lost around the 7 or 8 mark.
@LaPingvino
4 жыл бұрын
I do that too sometimes. Counting by myself is pretty nifty in seximal.
@MrLegendofLP
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a cashier so I'm always counting coins in decimal for obvious reasons, but I always have to double check to make sure I actually have a pile of 10 before moving on. I might start using Quinary for everything except Quarters from now on just to make sorting coins go faster.
@PixelPumpkin
4 жыл бұрын
Working out, if the number of my repetitions is divisible by 5, I tend to count in groups of 5. Otherwise, groups of 4, which I find the easiest to keep track (dedicating almost no brain power to it at all); probably because of listening/making music, and playing drums.
@want-diversecontent3887
4 жыл бұрын
@@LaPingvino Haha _nif_ ty
@vulpesinculta3478
4 жыл бұрын
I never get to the 7 or 8 mark
@ValeBridges
Жыл бұрын
I love the word "threeven" it's a little silly but also simple and intuitive and useful
"I've been jan Misali before, and someday I will be jan Misali again." Why does that sound vaguely threatening?
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
To me, it sounds like he's on a quest.
@WhizzKid2012
8 ай бұрын
It sounds like he is taking a break.
@doublex85
5 жыл бұрын
If you want less jokey (and more universal!) measures, try powers of the Planck units. For example, six to the niftieighth¹ power Planck lengths is _shockingly_ close to foursy-four² centimeters! Give it some fitting name and base units around it. ¹ forty-fourth ² twenty-eight It's also about nine tenths of a foot.
@guidestone1392
5 жыл бұрын
I totally had the same idea! I might still have my notes somewhere.
@torreywhiting5402
4 жыл бұрын
"and *base* units around it" Was that intentional?
@glowstonelovepad9294
3 жыл бұрын
it's just nif eight, not niftieight
@joda7697
2 жыл бұрын
@@torreywhiting5402 probably not actually, but hilarious once you pointed it out
@angeldude101
2 жыл бұрын
You have no idea how much I want to see Planck units adapted to a reasonable set for everyday usage. For example, 1 nano-c is a little under 1 foot/second, and surprisingly close to 1 km/h. For a seximal alternative, 1/6^10 (one nif-biexianth) c is 4.958m/s. Combining these two units as they are isn't great since the only give about nif thirsy two (56.47) milliseconds. Some fine tuning will be necessary to find powers that work for all the main units.
@thefakepie1126
5 жыл бұрын
what about base-1296 , great for remembering your kanji's !
@soulswordobrigadosegostar
4 жыл бұрын
I just wonder what a chinese base would look like
@HenriqueErzinger
4 жыл бұрын
why? what does this number have to to with kanji? There are a lot more than this.
@thefakepie1126
4 жыл бұрын
@@HenriqueErzinger yeah but that's the basic main ones and all , I forgot where I got this number , but I think it was like the 900 kanji people learn in japan at young age + a few other important ones or something like that , I think it has to do with how many they learn at school or something I'm not sure , whatever it's just for a stupid joke about unpractical huge base nothing more really , didn't put a lot of thought into it
@keonscorner516
4 жыл бұрын
1296 = (6^4)
@thefakepie1126
4 жыл бұрын
@@keonscorner516 oh yeah I remember now
@thalesvondasos
4 жыл бұрын
being a dozenal advocate be like: >says dozenal to avoid decimal centrism >doesn't realize "dozen" comes from French "douze" which comes from Latin "duodecim" meaning "two and ten"
@christydavidpallanivel1708
4 жыл бұрын
plus the dec-el-do-gro-mo nonsense and the HUGE variety of digits you need to learn for ten and eleven, not to mention 1/5 = 0.24972497249724972497 recurring
@felipevasconcelos6736
3 жыл бұрын
The decimal roots are obfuscated in “dozenal”, though, but they’re practically neon billboards in “duodecimal”.
@@MCLooyverse I’m panseximal. The amount of sixes required to add an extra digit to my numerical representation doesn’t have a meaningful representation.
@NicknotNak
4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, my understanding of binary is the only reason I passed high school math. Being able to count to 1024 on my fingers and actually understanding the concept of powers made it seem like I was smarter than I was. Because 2^2 is 100 in binary, and somehow that made math work for me.
@orion6able
4 жыл бұрын
Same for me!! I didn't know how to multiply or divide until binary. I put powers of 2 to egyptian hieroglyphs, and used egyptian multiplication/division. Without that I wouldn't have passed highschool algebra!! (Recently passed college calculus)
@wilyriley_
3 жыл бұрын
@Gurnaj Virk if you assign each finger to a power of two, increasing from 1, then, assuming you have ten fingers, you could count from zero to 1023 using your fingers.
@DigitalJedi
2 жыл бұрын
Just don't let anybody catch you counting to 132. It's 128+4, which would be both middle fingers by the way I can think of to do it.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@orion6able 132
@angeldude101
9 ай бұрын
@@DigitalJedi Oh, I most certainly had people catch me counting to 132.
@chrisbirch6513
5 жыл бұрын
Bacteria be out here counting in base 1.
@Liggliluff
5 жыл бұрын
If you use a positional base, like this video is all about. Base 1 has 1 digit: 0, and it has only one number: 0. - The "unary" base is not a positional base, but a bijective base. A bijective base doesn't have 0, so bijective base 10 is 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-A. In positional base 1; 00 isn't a different number from 0, just like in any other positional base. So you can only write 0.
@jlco
4 жыл бұрын
So 1 in base 1 is just repeating 0, except instead of repeating off to the right, it repeats to the left... Actually, no, that's still dumb.
@thezipcreator
3 жыл бұрын
@@Liggliluff you can also write -0 which can be a different thing in some contexts
@IONATVS
3 жыл бұрын
There are versions of Unary that are usable and historically used, but it does not work with positional systems AT ALL. They're basically just tally marks: position and order doesn't matter, just count the number of "1"s to get the number. Most that were actually used, like roman numerals, had special symbols for large groups of tally marks to make counting faster, and once you do that you can add special rules based on the order in which they appear, but fundamentally a "pure" usable unary system would only care about the number of 'ticks' and nothing else. Also can only represent ratios as ratios, since using a normal positional radix point anything on the other side of the radix point would just be more 1s--though cultures that used such systems usually had pretty simple notation for writing ratios, like |||:||||| for decimal 0.6 so just a different way of thinking about it and still perfectly usable as long as the numbers are small...which they never do.
@vanderkarl3927
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a personal fan of doing something similar to the way the Babylonians did base-60, but with twelve digits repeated five times instead of ten repeated six times. The *entire* problem with base-12 is how it handles 5 and fifths, so making the five very explicit and integral helps a lot.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
7: Am I a joke to you?
@Eylrid
4 жыл бұрын
Something that would be nearly painless to convert: book page numbers, where the order of the numbers is important, but the quantity isn't as much. Someone who has no idea that 150 is almost 200 will still know that 150 is less than 200, so they need to flip forward a bit. It'll take them a little bit longer to find their page since they'll initially over shoot, but that's easy enough to overcome. (It'll be easier than finding a word in the dictionary where the number of pages between letters is arbitrary.) If they are paying attention, they'll pick up on the number pattern and adjust, learning written seximal as they do. Also, unlike most uses of numbers, individual books can convert to seximal page numbers independently, so it can happen over time without a big change over all at once.
@diribigal
4 жыл бұрын
Writing my next book with seximal page numbers. Thanks.
@ezdispenser
2 жыл бұрын
this sounds like a horrible idea. i will do it
@joda7697
Жыл бұрын
I was already planning to do this, yes. I'm making a ttrpg with my friend and we're going to do that for the rulebook. I even designed new digits from zero to five, making it look like runes.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@ezdispenser Why horrible?
@brauljo
Жыл бұрын
Flipping pages is so trivial that I can't believe you thought this comment was worth posting
@LivWildStyle
5 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Rewatched recently. I felt your sincerity. Beautiful. I feel you dude, really.
@LivWildStyle
5 жыл бұрын
Seximal!!!!!!! Hell Yeh. I love sex, and I LOVE seximal!!!!
@LivWildStyle
5 жыл бұрын
It's ok, dude..... Some ( times) people just can't keep up with the sexually seximal nerdiness of it all. It's alright, I haven't mastered chemistry.... Yet. Lol
@rateeightx
5 жыл бұрын
It Took Me A Good 7 Seconds To Realise The Replies Were From The Original Commentor.
@eduardoxenofonte4004
11 ай бұрын
@@rateeightx *11 seconds
@Gareon155
5 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for base-5040, or as I like to call it platimal.
@Luigicat11
3 жыл бұрын
We just need to come up with all those symbols and number names is all.
@bernhardschmidt9844
3 жыл бұрын
Platimal, brought to you by the power of cheating: each digit is a decimal number 0 through 5039 with a - between digits for easier reading. 1,000,000,000,000 = 7-4087-3018-2080 1,000,000,000 = 39-1852-3520 1,000,000 = 198-2080 1,000 = 1000 100 = 100 10 = 10 1 = 1 1/2 = 0.2520 1/3 = 0.1680 1/4 = 0.1260 1/5 = 0.1008 1/6 = 0.840 1/7 = 0.720 1/8 = 0.630 1/9 = 0.560 1/10 = 0.504 1/11 = 0.458-916-1832-3665-2290-4581-4123-3207-1374-2749 recurring 1/12 = 0.420 1/13 = 0.387-3489-1163 recurring 1/14 = 0.360 1/15 = 0.336
@Gareon155
3 жыл бұрын
@@bernhardschmidt9844 You have done gods work
@shadowyzephyr
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gareon155 Does DEC5040 = a plat?
@meta04
2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowyzephyr no, but it was Plato's favorite number. Fetaheptavigesimal is fun.
@josir1994
4 жыл бұрын
As a science nerd, I have lost track of counting numbers since learning algebra.
@LeoStaley
5 жыл бұрын
I use a weird shorthand based on seximal as shorthand for times of day. A day has exactly 400 (aka 240) 14 (aka 10) minute chunks. 0xx is some time in the first 6 hours 3xx is some time in the final 6 hours. The 2nd digit specifies which of the 6 hours, the final digit specifies which increment of 14 (10) minutes it is. 3:40 in the morning is 034. 13:50 in the afternoon is 215. 18:20 is 302. 23:40 is 354. I do this so nobody else can understand my notes when I die. Using dozenal would be so much more effective.
@polandman07
Жыл бұрын
how does this comment only have 5 likes after 3 yrs(i actually understood how it works and can use it slowly)
@disgustof-riley8338
8 ай бұрын
This is fucking cool as hell
@glorytoukraine5890
5 жыл бұрын
Hi! These are the (extremely weird) bases you did't talk about. -Golden ratio base (having the golden ratio as base) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio_base -Factorial base (impratical since the base will change according to position. also needs infinitely many symbols) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial_number_system -Base with sign digit (Balanced Ternary is the well-known example of these bases) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signed-digit_representation -Negative bases (base -2,-3,-10 etc.) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_base -Quater-imaginary base (base 2i when i² is -1) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quater-imaginary_base P.S. I'm not a native English speaker. So apologies for any grammartical error in advance.
@zyaicob
2 жыл бұрын
Where's base pi?
@Nebulisuzer
Жыл бұрын
@@zyaicob pi is so close to 3 it whould be the ternary system with very slight changes
@joda7697
Жыл бұрын
Oh god the quater imaginary bases are killing me. But now i want to use one, fuck.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
Are you okay?
@the_demon149
Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how people who say English isn’t their first language have better grammar than native English speakers
@sarajohnsson4979
5 жыл бұрын
Can we just take a second and a half to appreciate the name "suboptimal"?
@norude
Жыл бұрын
6 seconds
@leave-a-comment-at-the-door
11 ай бұрын
@@norude I think you mean '10'
@norude
11 ай бұрын
@@leave-a-comment-at-the-door 0b110
@thisisachannelwhy42069
7 ай бұрын
17* seconds
@JJPMaster
4 жыл бұрын
Misali: 14:14 Google software engineer: **cries in base64**
@slamwall9057
5 жыл бұрын
Welcome to numbering system critic! The show that gets facts wrong about your favourite numbering system! I'm jan Miseli and in this episode I will be reviewing base-59
@serglian8558
5 жыл бұрын
In an alternate universe... he starts out as Conlang Critic and becomes Jan Misali, as opposed to reality
@slamwall9057
4 жыл бұрын
@@serglian8558 that's this universe
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
*69
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@serglian8558 ???
@Astronomy487
5 жыл бұрын
0:57 jan misali calls me out 😳😳😳
@zerbgames1478
5 жыл бұрын
tbf you did a lol. Just to point it out. Others were more.. well..
@YoshionoKimochi
5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@kkanden
Жыл бұрын
"it's fun to get silly sometimes" is a motto i wanna live my whole life by
@ribozyme2899
5 жыл бұрын
Since you decided to argue with fraction lengths, I wrote a program to add up the lengths of the periods of all unit fractions from 1/2 to 1/144 for the bases in question (2-20). Result: The best base by far is 16, followed by 4 and 9. When going higher, 36 and 25 take second and third place. Then I decided to test convenience by removing multiples of all primes > 11. Now the best base becomes 15, followed by 10, 6 and 9. Considering more fractions, base 18 here pulls ahead and gets second place. Just for fun removing multiples of 11 too, the best now are 15 and 6. Interestingly, with other variations of the parameters, 55 got first place twice. Dunno what's up with that.
@blueblimp
4 жыл бұрын
It's cool that you wrote a program to check it. Fraction lengths isn't the key thing that matters for divisibility tests, though. What makes for easy divisibility testing: - If the number is not a prime power, all its prime power factors should have easy divisibility tests. - If the number is a prime power and its prime factor is shared by the base, it's always easy test divisibility. - If the number is a prime power and it is coprime to the base, then check the period length. If the period is length 1, the divisibility test is easy. Otherwise, the divisibility test is hard, with maybe 11 as a special exception. Also, going up to 1/144 seems way too high. Even 1/19 is getting pretty high.
@ribozyme2899
4 жыл бұрын
@@blueblimp The things you name are closely related to fraction period lengths though. In base b, the fraction 1/n has period length ord_m(b) (order of b modulo m -> why worst-case period is phi(n) ) with n=g*m where g is the greatest divisor of n containing only prime factors of b. - Your first point is basically the fact that gcd(p,q)=1 implies ord_(p*q)(b) | ord_p(b)*ord_q(b) - The second point is equivalent to ord_1(b) = 0 (no period) - The last point just simplifies matters to ord_m(b) easy, else hard I agree that 144 may be too high. On the other hand, the ranking is not stable when going too low. There is definitely a mistake I made: I basically weighted all the lengths equally. The result become much better for 6, 12 and 10 when weighing the periods (of the fractions 1/n) inversely proportional to n or n^2.
@Mar184
4 жыл бұрын
Great idea! Though you should adjust the scoring of your program to weigh the lengths of a certain fraction by its value (i.e. the reciprocal of the denominator), instead of uniform weights. After all, that's the probability that a given random integer contains the considered factor, so a good measure for the relevance of divisibility by that factor. It's intuitively obvious that the further you move out to larger denominators, the less important they get. I'd be interested in the updated result!
@shadowyzephyr
2 жыл бұрын
It matters whether they are reccurring or not. Also, the higher you go, the more decimals there will be after the period, but the LESS weight it should have, because you are less likely to see it in math. So the weighting system should actually be reversed somehow. I think the lower bases would perform better when this is done.
@DonkoXI
2 жыл бұрын
I think a good metric would be to look at all the primes p_1, p_2, ... up to some stopping point. There's no need to test non-primes since everything is governed by the primes anyway. If l_n is the length of the period of the base expansion of 1/p_n, then calculate Σ (l_n/p_n)^2 and see which base minimizes this value. On a side note, there's a chance that this sum would converge if taken over all primes. I would be curious to know if it does and what that means.
@dhe-origjin
5 жыл бұрын
By the way, qwaternary is the base of life (TGAC in DNA).
@MrLegendofLP
4 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong and I don't know how to feel about that.
@leave-a-comment-at-the-door
11 ай бұрын
this means you are approximately SEX10^155350 or DEC10^12041.2 or DOZ10^6559.8 or HEX10^2710 or NIF10^5YX
@waluigi-time
3 жыл бұрын
"Senary" is what that one person who desperately avoids suggestive language uses, but when you realize it puts more focus on the suggestion they're trying to get away from.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
???
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@4ourevermore Why does it put more focus on that word?
@AlbertTheGamer-gk7sn
Жыл бұрын
Well, if you search up that base, people will think you have misspelled "scenery".
@waluigi-time
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8it Because as a listener you're going to think "Why that obscure term? Is this person really trying this hard not to say 'sex'?" I grew up in a country with a language where "six" and "sex" are commonly pronounced the same. A few rare people try to pronounce "six" in a different way which doesn't at all fit with the region, so it's artificial and forced, and everyone can immediately tell. But as for "senary" and "seximal", at least most people in the real world will think one is a nerd no matter what one calls it.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@waluigi-time But senary is the normal name, is it not?
@Josbird
4 жыл бұрын
You definitely don't talk too fast, you're one of the few youtubers I dont have to put on 1.25x or 1.5x speed lol
@gabrielsilveira8246
4 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@StoufSto
3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was on 1.5 lmao
@CompactStar
Жыл бұрын
Wait a second... if you put a fast youtuber on 1.5x speed then won't it get even faster?
@AlphaFX-kv4ud
2 жыл бұрын
I personally find it interesting how, at least in the examples you gave, all of the composite numbers that look prime in any given base are the squares of the first not easy to write reciprocal expansion
@taududeblobber221
Жыл бұрын
i wonder what the results would be if squares weren't counted
@awaredeshmukh3202
Жыл бұрын
That's definitely not a coincidence; the numbers that are easy in fractions are the same numbers that are easy for divisibility rules (factors of the base, one less than the base, and one more than the base)
@user-rd7jv4du1w
5 жыл бұрын
Friendship ended with DOZENAL, now SEXIMAL is my best friend (dead meme I know)
@Vizaru
4 жыл бұрын
It's an old meme, sir, but it checks out.
@StoufSto
3 жыл бұрын
@@Vizaru All your base are belong to us would be the oldest relevant meme here.
@enzogamerukbr
3 жыл бұрын
_gumball_
@Skjoldmc
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Hexal would be the best alternative for seximal or heximal. Short enough not to be abbreviated and conforms both to "decimal" and "dozenal" naming schemes. :)
@SugarBeetMC
2 жыл бұрын
Minor drawback: Hexal AG is a German pharma corporation.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@SugarBeetMC *Major
@jan-pi-ala-suli
Жыл бұрын
"(also you should say quarters it's more proper)" "yeah fair enough. So fourths-"
@sethprevatte
5 жыл бұрын
Or call it heximal anyway, as hex is just short for hexadecimal. edit: spelling
@heyandy889
5 жыл бұрын
I will say, as a programmer, this is unappealing to me. We call hexadecimal "hex." It would be inconvenient to make that common term ambiguous.
@MrRyanroberson1
5 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of abbreviation. In the programming world, we use he this way, as six was never a thought.
@heyandy889
5 жыл бұрын
@@pixiepandaplush I'm not disputing the origin. I'm simply pointing out that, if you care at all about adoption, you will be fighting an uphill battle.
@sethprevatte
5 жыл бұрын
@@pixiepandaplush Hex is the common abbreviation of hexadecimal.
@sethprevatte
5 жыл бұрын
I'll clarify my original comment. I don't see a situation where people would confuse "heximal" and "hex"
@enuma-elise
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for introducing me to quaternary counting! It’s how I do things intuitively anyway and seems pretty useful. You could make a system where 0, 1, 2, and 3 are represented as A, C, G, and T, for example, to mirror nucleotide sequences. (Someone probably already has.)
@enuma-elise
5 жыл бұрын
Also base 1 is basically how we do finger counting anyway
@BaldorfBreakdowns
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, representing numbers with arbitrary letters will make my life easier for sure.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@BaldorfBreakdowns It's in your genes!
@Games-mw1wd
5 жыл бұрын
You should review esolangs! Like conlangs, but with more math. Also you can actually learn and get familiar with one in a reasonable amount of time.
@ugh6201
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine thinking esolangs are good
@Games-mw1wd
5 жыл бұрын
ugh Most are pretty crap. There are a few good ones. And they're only slightly more useless than conlangs.
@SunroseStudios
5 жыл бұрын
if our reason for doing conlanging stuff was because they were useful we would have stopped by now lol
@DragonWinter36
4 жыл бұрын
Starry Sunrose or we would’ve actually made a useful conlang
@jangamecuber
2 жыл бұрын
@@Blue-Maned_Hawk and he is cool
@ProfessorBorax
5 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to build a silly comunity that uses seximal, a regularised calendar, esperanto, Dvorak-style keyboards, and all the improved systems we can think of, let me know! I'd love to meet other utopists :)
@Liggliluff
5 жыл бұрын
A seximal keyboard does free up 4 digits for other symbols :)
@ses694
5 жыл бұрын
@@misotanniold787 esperanto is more edgy
@parnikkapore
4 жыл бұрын
In my fictional universe there's a colony on Mars which uses Esperanto, with the Shavian/Sxava writing system, on a Darian calendar. The first two are the result of a political decision to "fix our mistakes and build a better world together".
@want-diversecontent3887
4 жыл бұрын
Nah toki pona
@LordZarano
4 жыл бұрын
And our circle constant, Tau, is close to 10
@gyrgamer8936
4 жыл бұрын
15:43 Proverbs 22 : 07 The rich rule poor, and the borrower is a slave to the lender.
@shirou9790
4 жыл бұрын
Proverbs 15 : 43 (not found)
@williamromero-auila7129
4 жыл бұрын
Driving to de Dearest Dealers
@copperhools3276
5 жыл бұрын
what if you use a roman numeral style system instead of an arabic numeral system
@rateeightx
5 жыл бұрын
I Once Made A Numeral System. It's Very Simple, And Very Difficult To Tell What A Number Is Just By Looking At It, As All Symbols Look Pretty Similar!
@greyduck4965
5 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much advanced tallying. Each symbol represents a specific number, meaning you will need a new symbol to count higher than M (1000?) or whatever the highest numeral is. In our system, each symbol represents a multiple of a power of ten, depending on where it is. (325 = 3*10^2 + 2*10^1 + 5*10^0) You can just add digits to the end to make the number bigger, instead of inventing a new numeral if you want to represent any large number (n>10000), as needed for roman numerals. If M is the largest roman numeral, I believe the only way to represent 50000 (50 thousand) would be this, MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, 50 Ms. I hope you see why using a Roman Numeral style system is far worse than our current system.
@copperhools3276
5 жыл бұрын
@@greyduck4965 If that's the case then most measurement systems would also suffer from the same problem but they don't because there is a certain point were counting or measuring that distance or number would be impractical for most people. The romans were able to build truly massive buildings, aqueducts, and roads across their empire with their system because you only need to be able to count to certain number to do most things. edit; you could also write the number as a word rather than a numeral
@jakksonkobalt
5 жыл бұрын
The roman numeral system works great in base 1000 and simplifies some early digits of decimal. But Infact lacks easy usage of anything above M. Want to write out 75? LXXV. Simple. But want to write out 2476? MMCDLXXVI(in simpliefied roman numerals) or MMCCCCLXXVI(in old roman numerals.) But the numbers 10, 50, 100, 500 and 1000 are the only really simple numbers in roman numerals. X, L, C, D, M. And anything directly below those numbers like IV or VC etc.
@orion6able
5 жыл бұрын
wait, what if we used N (for nihil) as zero, and grouped numbers in hundreds, so 7,280 would be VII,CCLXXX. and 500,000,000 would be D,N,N Then you could do decimals the same way, 3.141,592,653 would be III.CXXXXI,DLXXXXII,DCII That way the numbers would be infinitely expandable if you didn't use the subtraction system and wrote 4 as IIII and 9 as VIIII there would be no need for M
@swedneck
4 жыл бұрын
hexadecimal remains my favourite simply because it's SO useful in computing, and having everyone learn it since birth would make it easier for people to grasp how code works.
@SnoFitzroy
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Would also help people understand how powers work, making higher level mandatory math easier to adjust to
@Tumbolisu
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a computer science student. I mentally convert every mention of binary numbers into decimal numbers, pretending that computers work in decimal. It works almost every time. Here is an example using the floating-point number system: A float has 1 sign bit: 0 for + and 1 for −. Lets convert that to decimal: 1 digit: 0 for +, 1 to 9 for −. The exponent is a binary number using 8 bits. It has a bias of 127, meaning you subtract 127 from it to get the actual value of the exponent. This is used to create a number of the form 2^(exponent), ranging from 2^-127 to 2^128. And now in decimal: 3 digits, with a bias of 499. This creates a number of the form 10^(exponent), ranging from 10^-499 to 10^500. The mantissa has 23 bits. It is almost allows preceeded by an implicit 1, to create a number of the form "1.(mantissa)". In decimal we have to make one small adjustment: The only thing we can guarantee in bases other than binary, is that there is a 0 to the left of it. This does not really allow for an implicit extra digit, but that has exceptions anyways. So, in decimal, the mantissa is just a 17 digit number between 1 (inclusive) and 10 (exclusive). Using this system, I can perfectly understand every topic like "precision problems with floats" or "subnormal numbers" or "how to represent NaNs", without actually having to ever think about binary. Binary just isn't ACTUALLY as useful to the average programmer as people say. Its infinitely more important to somebody who designs computer hardware. A coder just needs to know what the limits are, like "a byte is 8 bits and goes from 0 to 255", which are just regular numbers that I literally just wrote in decimal. "What's the decimal value of DEADBEEF" is a question that nobody has ever actually needed the answere to.
@BaldorfBreakdowns
2 жыл бұрын
Well, this fits my theory of why people prefer certain number systems. "This system is the best because it's so much easier for me personally!"
@swedneck
2 жыл бұрын
@@BaldorfBreakdowns when did i say that this is easier for me?
@BaldorfBreakdowns
2 жыл бұрын
@@swedneck You said it makes it easier for coding, which I presume is something you do, based off of your comment.
@cameoshadowness7757
5 жыл бұрын
Senary sounds like a WHOLE other word and made no sense to me so I agree with Seximal. :/
@vsl5455
5 жыл бұрын
Binary, trinay, quartanary, quinary.. Just saying, seeing these senary Kind of does make sense
@Mical2001
5 жыл бұрын
Tbh senary sounds like it should be for base 7
@cameoshadowness7757
5 жыл бұрын
@@vsl5455 The ONLY one I have EVER heard *IN COMMON USE of that was Binary. Never the others you have mentioned. *had to edit in because sleep deprived me is an idiot.
@cameoshadowness7757
5 жыл бұрын
@@Mical2001 yeah.
@vsl5455
5 жыл бұрын
@@cameoshadowness7757 He mentioned them in the video
@lucas29476
4 жыл бұрын
6:50 ...prevents even and THREEEVEN numbers from looking like prime... Omg I love you. By the way how many E's does threeven have?
@whyamideadindiscord3081
4 жыл бұрын
I counted, threeven has three Es.
@dranorter
3 жыл бұрын
Why am I Dead in Discord A threeven number of Es
@Naturenerd1000
5 жыл бұрын
Compression binary is an interesting concept I will explore. Really cool how you can do that with base 4 and Base 9.
@brauljo
Жыл бұрын
2:11 SI isn't entirely incompatible with other bases because it's a coherent unit system, so you just need new prefixes. And unless you want to add prefixes to the already prefixed kilogram, you'd have to replace it for the grave. So, what he said at 3:04.
@asheep7797
2 ай бұрын
10:18 Pros: - arithmetic is SUPER easy, like holy shit. - square roots exist as doable functions Cons: - fractions are red, red is bad - numbers get long fast which may or may not be because the zero is fat
@joshuasims5421
5 жыл бұрын
jan Misali o, sina wile e nanpa mute a. jan li wile kepeken e nanpa wan, e nanpa tu taso. jan li wile ala e nanpa unpa ni, a a. mi toki musi. sina toki e ijo pona.
@markenangel1813
4 жыл бұрын
nanpa unpa, a a a!
@loop5720
4 жыл бұрын
I just learned the about Toki Pona language today, pretty nice...
@Silas_MN
4 жыл бұрын
I'm going into computer science, but if you'd asked me before, I would've already said that I favor base 16. IT'S SO GOOD
@AlexKnauth
Жыл бұрын
A variation on Quaternary I started using when counting measures of rest in music: Since so much of music is based on 4/4 time, and so many musical phrases are based on groupings of 4 measures or other multiples of 4 such as 8-bar periods, 12-bar blues, etc. I started counting base 4 on my hands a lot when performing music. I usually start with my left hand: 1 = left index finger, 2 = left index & middle fingers, 3 = left index through ring, 4 = left index through pinkie. Then I start using my right hand for the next place: 5 = right index & left index, 6 = right index & left middle, 7 = right index & left ring, 8 = right index & left pinkie And I continue using combinations like that: 9 = right middle & left index, ten = right middle & left middle, eleven = right middle & left ring, dozen = right middle & left pinkie and so on. It's a different way of doing it, like the base itself wouldn't be written as 10, it's still 4. But the number one after the base is 11. Counting looks like 1, 2, 3, 4, 11, 12, 13, 14, 21, 22, 23, 24, 31, and so on. There is no 0 in this system, because beat numbers and measure numbers in music use one-based-indexing and not zero-based-indexing.
@jucom756
3 жыл бұрын
You really are one of the best cgannels on youtube, you cover most of your bases on things that could be questions and you encourage critical thinking instead of accepting what anyone (including yourself which you state clearly) says.
@alexandertownsend3291
4 жыл бұрын
Base 30 is the smallest base that gives you a nice way of representing halves, thirds, and fifths. That is pretty good and thankfully fewer symbols to remember than base 60.
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
I was working on some program to get primes (I forget how it worked), but I started caring about 1, 2, 6, 30, etc., and they're called "primorial numbers". Factorial, but you multiply primes.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@MCLooyverse But to derive the nth prime with your program, you need to know the nth primorial number, and to derive that, you need to know the first n primes, which includes the nth 🤦♂
@MCLooyverse
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8it no. You know how you can ignore any even number greater than 2 when looking for primes? You can also ignore any number that isn't 1 or 5 modulo 6 that's greater than 3, or any number that isn't 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, or 29 modulo 30 that's greater than 5, etc.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@MCLooyverse Why primorial numbers in particular, though?
@linseyspolidoro5122
3 жыл бұрын
Someone: Quarters would be the more proper terminology Mitch: Resolutely continues to use the term fourths because the interval has claimed dominion over his brain.
@disgustof-riley8338
2 жыл бұрын
Quarter is the word for fourth in the UK. In the US it's correct to say fourth
@Thomaas551
2 жыл бұрын
@@disgustof-riley8338 jan misali is American
@easternhills1329
Жыл бұрын
@@disgustof-riley8338 Never in my life have I heard a person say "It's a fourth mile from here". Lets go over coins: penny, nickel, dime and fourths!
@dan9948
Жыл бұрын
Your closing statement was hilarious! I've never heard that one before 🤣
@digitalunity
5 жыл бұрын
I will now only count in suboptimal. You've convinced me.
@HoneydewBeach
5 жыл бұрын
Suboptimal is base-17 right?
@legoshaakti
4 жыл бұрын
Smug Dragon That’s correct.
@thumper8684
5 жыл бұрын
Respect to you for doing this. Seximal is one of the best bases out there. Double props for mentioning balanced ternary. You skipped over bases 14,15,21,34, 666 and 714 which are all good for finding prime factors. My favorite is base 21 which covers the primes up to 11. Also 101 in base 21 is equal to 2 times 13 times 17.
@GlaceonStudios
5 жыл бұрын
6 * 9 in base 13 is 42.
@zxcvbnm2491
5 жыл бұрын
yay another video!
@janajusimi269
Жыл бұрын
i love listening to your video essays which are very similar to infodumps
@janajusimi269
Жыл бұрын
i don't remember writing this
@infinitytower8957
Жыл бұрын
Base 118 because I've almost memorised the periodic table. This is very crude because ASCII 1: H, Its the letter h | | |---| | | 2: He, No space between letters | |--- |---|--- | |--- 3: Li, Merged into 1 letter here . | | |_ 4: Be, This one has been mangled by ASCII. The letters are also merged btw |---\--- |----|--- |---/--- 5: B, It's the letter B |---\ |----| |---/ 6: C, It's the letter C |------- | |------- 7: N, It's the letter N |\ | | \ | | \| 8: O, It's the letter O |-------| | | |-------| 9: F, It's the letter F |--- |--- | 10: Ne, not much to say |\ |--- | \ |--- | \|--- 11: Na, another mangled one |\ |---| | \ | | | \|---|_ 12: Mg, Has a tail and is hard to draw |\ |---| | \ |---| | \| | __| 13: Al, not much to say again /\ | /----\ | / | 14: Si, it's a dotted S and mangled again ___; |----| ___| 15: P, It's the letter P |----\ |----/ | 16: S, It's the letter S and mangled again ___ |----| ___| 17: Cl, it's almost but not exactly an O |-------|-- | | |-------|-- 18: Ar, not much to say again /\ |--- /----\ | / | I could keep going probably
@pepijndeputter8892
5 жыл бұрын
You've convinced me, seximal is awesome. It's great for both large integers and fractions. It seems like people often forget one of them when promoting bases
@10thletter40
4 жыл бұрын
49 has 0 prime numbers, finally proof! I keep telling this to my fam but they keep repeating 7 squared, Im like, squared up against who tho
@brauljo
Жыл бұрын
3:59 4:20 That's an excellent point, it guarantees any even base to have a quarter that at most has only one more digit than a half, so might as well optimize a different fraction like a third or fifth.
@user-bi9zd1ry3j
11 ай бұрын
Hi there! I really enjoyed both this video and it's first part. If you're interested in exploring other numeral systems, I would like to suggest that of Kizh, (formerly referred to as "Garbieleño Chumash") the language indigenous to where I am from. It is a quinary system, and I understand that such a prime-based system makes representing fractions more difficult, but there are very interesting other features in Kizh's numeral system, including "kavyaa’" which operates as "X almost twice", or "X + (X-1)" (ex: wachaa’ kavyaa’ is "four almost twice" or "4 + (4-1)", which is 7. In a quinary system, this would be written as "12", of course.) I would be happy to link you to the resources through which I learned of Kizh's numeral system, as well as a document I made exploring and explaining this system to those who are familiar with base 10. (I am by no means an expert in mathematics, numeral systems, or Kizh itself, but this explanation was part of my final project for a course I took titled "North American Indigenous Languages", instructed by Dr. Marriane Mithun, in the Linguistics department at UCSB.) Thank you for your time and labor, and I hope you have a great day!
@x-mighty7602
4 жыл бұрын
Fun Useless Fact: when i was in 6th grade, i asked my mom if 39 was prime and she said yes! everyone forgets school someday! 13x3=39.
@loop5720
4 жыл бұрын
What is school, and what is prime? Sorry I am grade of the 6xt
@x-mighty7602
4 жыл бұрын
@@loop5720 prime numbers are numbers that can only be divided by one or themselves. Example: 2. 2 can only be divided by either 2 or 1.
@shirou9790
4 жыл бұрын
You mean that you asked is 103 was prime, but it obviously isn't as 21x3=103.
@thoseonetrains
3 жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me when I searched "is 65 prime or composite?", and while a lot of sources said 65 is composite (since the factors are 1, 5, 13, and 65...), ONE, which was Angel Number, said that 65 is prime, which it isn't because of 5 and 13, so I had to check other websites to see if this was incorrect (which it is) and yes it was incorrect, so 65 is composite.
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
@@thoseonetrains If you want to know if a number is prime or not (or, really, anything about the number), ask wolfram alpha, or write your own program for it. Also, for other interesting facts about an integer, chuck it into the [Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences](oeis.net).
@AaAa-qw3fd
5 жыл бұрын
It ain’t conlangs... but it’ll do
@zerbgames1478
5 жыл бұрын
For now
@pqbdwmnu
5 жыл бұрын
Then I’ll need sacrifices
@epicstimulus282
5 жыл бұрын
@@pqbdwmnu the reverse card from UNO
@aDifferentJT
Жыл бұрын
Balanced ternary is my favourite, I love the way it handles negative numbers without any special cases
@sosasees
Жыл бұрын
i have a plan to gradually shift everything into seximal. the secret weapon is the mindset that we don't need to change everything at once. i begin with just one step: using seximal in my next videogame, most notably its scoring system.
@jamiemakkonen7500
5 жыл бұрын
on the topic of finger counting, your solution for seximal finger counting isn't much better than that of dozenal. hypothetically, if everyone in the world were to switch to seximal, and i were to hold up both my hands, one of them with one finger raised, and one of them with five fingers raised to communicate to someone who isn't within speaking distance, but you can still see each other clearly, how would a viewer know whether i meant eleven or fifsy-one? unless there were some very specific decisions made on how one should interpret hand counting, there's no real way for someone to know, mainly because the viewer doesn't know relative to whom the signaler decided to show the numbers. as well, would the entire system flip dependent on a language's reading direction? on the surface level, that would seem to make sense, but if you were to have members of an exchange who spoke languages whose writing directions differ trying to communicate through finger counting, what would happen? obviously someone would have to switch reading direction. although, in my opinion, it would seem a bit unfair to force only one member of the exchange to change direction. same thing for a standardised direction, one group of language speakers would have to adapt to a new system while another would not. all of these problems are avoided by the standard decimal finger counting system. the standard decimal finger counting system has no parity or directionality and is recognisable by both signalers and viewers regardless of their native language's reading direction. the only real way to solve all of these issues for either dozenal or seximal, at least in my mind, is to create another distinct hand shape, because you yourself noted that values in decimal finger counting are distinct and those in dozenal aren't, which is more or less impossible, due to various counting standards throughout the world. for example, some groups start counting with their thumb as one, and others start counting with their index finger as one. these standards don't get in the way of decimal finger counting, because one must simply count the number of fingers raised. in both the dozenal and seximal systems, there is more complex meanings embedded in the system, which can easily cause ambiguity and confusion between members of an exchange due to differing finger counting standards.
@ben4R
2 жыл бұрын
Just a thought, but I learned a method of counting with one hand (based on decimal because of most common use) that goes to 20 on one hand that uses a combination of hand position and orientation (either towards or away from the intended recipient) to make them readily distinguishable even from a distance, then dropped back to using only the configurations for 0-9 with lateral movement from proximal to distal to indicate place, which worked just fine mirrored as well. Obviously it'd need some adaptation, but it doesn't seem particularly difficult to implement something similar for other number bases. Edited in a link to it here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/ypljxYmNZpGjoXo
@inkyscrolls5193
5 жыл бұрын
I'd like to point out at here (2:40) that we in the UK still predominantly use our own (the original!) version of Imperial, with metric only being used for scientific purposes (most of the time - railways are measured in chains (!), but motorways are in kilometres - and all other roads are in miles).
@equaius893
5 жыл бұрын
and miles are better for literary purposes. would you rather hear in a song "I will walk 500 kilometers" or "I will walk 500 miles"
@ivanlovell1195
5 жыл бұрын
@@equaius893 That's what "klicks" is for.
@guidestone1392
5 жыл бұрын
@@ivanlovell1195 Still doesn't sound as good as miles.
@mattheweddleston1682
5 жыл бұрын
I'm still in school at England and we have been taught completely in metric. Anything that needs measuring is done in metric. At this point the only people I know that still use imperial are my grandparents
@Liggliluff
5 жыл бұрын
@@equaius893 You are still allowed to use imperial units in expressions; we do that in Swedish, even though we are using only metric nowadays. By switching to metric doesn't mean you have to give up on expressions. You can still say "inches forward" for something slow.
@brauljo
Жыл бұрын
8:23 So like how octal and hexadecimal is used to compress binary. If we need to compress our human, non-computer base in the first place, we should probably just use a larger base.
@senshtatulo
4 жыл бұрын
I used to use a modified base 19 for writing dates, since a year of 365 (or 366) days is only 4 (or 5) more than 19 squared, or 361. The digits are 0..9 a..i, with j for the extra days at the end of the year. And the fact that it's a really awkward prime just makes it more fun.
@sloothorr
5 жыл бұрын
As a Metricman, I find it extremely uncomfortable counting time- one of the most fundamental elements of life -using a base-60/base-12 system. As much as I know it'd be inconvenient having one quarter of a day not being a whole number, I'd appreciate a metric time system where there's 100 seconds in a minute, 100 minutes in an hour, and 10 hours in a day.
@derBrezelmann
2 жыл бұрын
The only problem this would create is with the names, because 10,000 (a metric hour) doesn’t have a name in the metric system, unless you want a “decakilo” second. You could still refer to them as metric hours, though.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@derBrezelmann You could call it a deci-day
@derBrezelmann
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8it fair
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@derBrezelmann It's worth mentioning though that the second fails (centi-milli-day)
@CompactStar
Жыл бұрын
Forget, hours, minutes and seconds, just have everything measured as decimal fractions of a day (eg. 0.1 days instead of a "metric hour")
@colleenforrest7936
4 жыл бұрын
Prime numbers ending in either 5 or 1 is interesting. I have noticed that numbers divisible 6 tend to be near prime numbers and like to hang out in the middle of double primes :)
@toferg.8264
Жыл бұрын
“That’s what really counts!” Ough! Good one. I see my comment from a year ago that it got me back then also.
@CompactStar
Жыл бұрын
My favorite is Base 60, it easily beats decimal, dozenal and seximal in terms of fractions because it is divisible by all numbers 1 to 6. You can avoid having to use 60 digits by writing each digit as two decimal digits like on clocks.
@MappingRobloxAnimations
Жыл бұрын
Base 30 does the same thing.
@LK90512
4 жыл бұрын
Always been a huge fan of base 6, great video! Btw have you ever considered how the numerical system affects the way time periods are perceived? In base six we wouldn't think in centuries or millennia, but the six-equivalents (whatever quirky name you want to call them). For example we would be in year 13203, we would consider year 10000 (1296) a big deal, and we would experience a millennium fear every 216 years. Also the stages of human life would be perceived differently (or would they): 0-6 (infancy) 6-12 (pre-adolescence) 13-18 (~teens), 18-24 (~college years) 24-30 (young adulthood) 30-36 (100 years landmark) Pretty neat!
@meta04
4 жыл бұрын
Now we just have to hope my great grandma lives to 108 instead of the 106 she already has. Three nif is another form of "centenarian" that makes sense in seximal.
@LK90512
4 жыл бұрын
@@meta04 I hope she does too! My best wishes
@rubixtheslime
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to say that hex has one advantage that really makes it stands out: specifically for the case of counting, it is by far easier than any other base. It's 4 4's. With surprisingly little training, one can listen to a fast burst of clicks and, without even counting, know exactly when it reaches 16₁₀. That being said, beyond counting and computer science, it sucks.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
Source?
@rubixtheslime
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8it in music, 4 beats in a measure and 4 measures in a phrase is extremely common. Or it's 16 sixteenth notes in a measure.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@rubixtheslime No. I'm referring to this: With surprisingly little training, one can listen to a fast burst of clicks and, without even counting, know exactly when it reaches 16₁₀.
@rubixtheslime
Жыл бұрын
@@Anonymous-df8it I figured that's what you were referring to. But I guess that answer doesn't work for you. So like, it just works? Is that the answer you're looking for? Like I don't know of anyone having specifically studied whether people do things with music... Maybe I was just biased because I've studied music to a small extent, so it wasn't difficult for me? I really don't know what you're wanting here.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
@@rubixtheslime Can 5/4 time be used for decimal?
@pulverizedpeanuts
7 ай бұрын
you could use dozenal to write the time (in minutes) by just 3 symbols. there are 12 2hr periods in a day. the first symbol could be used to tell which 2hr time period it is. now that we know which 2hr period we're in, divide that into 12 10min periods (for a total of 120min). the second symbol tells us which 10min period it is. the third symbol tells us which minute of that 10min period we're at. for example: time: 9: 30 (am) that's in the fifth 2hr interval. So, first digit=4 it's in the third 10min interval. So, second digit=2 now, we have to increment the time by 0min, so third digit=0 Finally, time=420
@popeval6654
2 жыл бұрын
no no because you SHOWED US the wikipedia article that said HEXimal was an option you CHOSE to make it seximal
@brettonjohansen1619
4 жыл бұрын
The thing about binary and hexadecimal is that where they are used, at least at a level humans interpret, ratios don't matter. They are used cardinally. Oh and binary can be used to represent a string of Boolean statements and the hand counting thing is awesome and I have found it practical at times. The more I use those 10 bases, the more beautiful I find them and the more I hate base A.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
Base C is better
@leftysheppey
4 жыл бұрын
Suboptimal is the counting system for me. I love long recurring division and nesting fractions
@tctrainconstruct2592
2 жыл бұрын
14:39 There was another system with base 27 that some people used, but it wasn't nearly as popular as sexagesimal. How it works is that each number was a part of the human body, like the right middle finger, the head or the left elbow. And then you can combine those. Also, they pointed the right finger, since it was the same word for each finger digit, and this wasn't intended to be a written system.
@IONATVS
5 жыл бұрын
I like the way the greeks translated over base 60 from the mesopotamians-though they only used it for fractional numbers/units, which ruins a lot of the utility, you could imagine using it on both sides of the radix for a fully base 60 system. Basically, in traditional decimal greek numerals there were nine letters assigned to stand for the numbers 1-9, nine letters that stood for 10-90, and 9 letters standing for 100-900, and you’d just stick 1-3 of those together to form numbers from 1-999, then add in the words for thousands and ten thousands to get the rest: cleaner than Roman numerals, but not our nice modern positional notation by any means. But when Greek astronomers borrowed base-60 from mesopotamia, they added a zero character and transformed it into a positional numeral system with each digit containing either zero or their traditional representation of 1-59, resulting in two alternating sets of symbols for 1s an 10s while being much more visually distinctive than the mesopotamian tally marks for quick reading. Smash the two characters together and you get a true base 60 while only having to memorize 15 symbols, sorta like how Hangul gets most of the advantages of both an alphabet and a syllabary.
@IONATVS
5 жыл бұрын
Also “minute” literally means 1/60 and comes from this greek translation of the Mesopotamian system, with the “first minute” (ie minutes) being the 1/60ths place, the “second minute” (ie seconds) being the 1/3600ths place, and continuing on with thirds, fourths, fifths etc, which is why there are minutes and seconds of arc as well as minutes and seconds of time: it can be used on any base unit like metric prefixes can, because, like a metric prefix, it’s just a multiplier, not a unit in and of itself. Their old-fashioned unit abbreviations even made this more clear; 1 hour = 1h, 1 minute of the hour = 1h’, 1 second of the hour = 1h”, etc.
@tygical
Жыл бұрын
please call it heximal
@cannon9009
2 жыл бұрын
WHAT-IMAL RESPONCES??? 😳😳😳😳😳
@herobrine1847
2 жыл бұрын
Sus-imal
@AccessDen
4 жыл бұрын
my favourite base is INFinimal, 0,1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y,3,z... every fraction is super simple! its just lim(n->inf)[value]/n=0! (p.s. the INF in INFinimal stands for INFinimal)
@xcreeperbombx61
3 жыл бұрын
Base 3.5: You treat it like base 3 if the first digit is divisible by 2 or is 0, unless the number is less than 1, in which case you use the tenth place as the deciding digit. If you don't use base 3, you use base 4. Counting: 0, 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, etc. Fractions (underscores surround recurring digits): Half: Paradox between 0.2 and 0._1_ Third: 0._1_ Fourth: 0.1 Fifth: 0._0121_ Sixth: 0.01_1210_ Seventh: 0._010212_ Eighth: 0._01_ Ninth: 0.01 Tenth: 0._0022_ Eleventh: 0._00211_ Twelfth: 0.0_02_ Thirteenth: 0._002_ Fourteenth: 0._001221_ Fifteenth: 0.0_0121_ Sixteenth: 0._0012_ Seventeenth: 0.00112021221102010012 (probably not all digits and may be unrepeating like pi) Thirsyth: 0.00_1_ It's so good it doesn't even matter that halves don't exist and that seventeenths may be unrepeating like pi! Edit: KZitem bugged and some of the text went missing :/ so that's why I had to edit it
@sydrah2
4 жыл бұрын
I think my brain is hard-wired in decimal, because once you start using terminology for a different base, I have a stroke
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
Not hard-wired, just trained for very nearly your entire life. If you actually try to use a different base for a long enough time, you will find it natural. It is incredible how quickly your brain can gain intuition for something if you let it. Just a few weeks ago, I was struggling to remember to use my Caps Lock key for Escape (I recently changed it to do that), and then a few days ago, I found myself doing it automatically on a machine that didn't have that set up. Similarly, when I get into (left-to-right) seximal for a bit (which I do every once in a while), I get pretty good at not messing it up. Also, verbal anything is weird and hard. 43 makes a lot more sense than the spoken "thirsy-four", especially when he still calls 41 "ten".
@angel-ig
3 жыл бұрын
@@MCLooyverse Why do you write numbers backwards?
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
@@angel-ig Because writing numbers left-to-right is more consistent with how we write everything else, and you get to add, subtract, and multiply from left-to-right, instead of having to teach kids to do it in reverse.
@TheAlison1456
3 жыл бұрын
@Ángel I.G. What do you mean backwards? No one writes numbers from the right to left. Maybe the Japanese. Or are you really telling me that Americans are taught to do this and this has been true for decades? That's inhumane honestly
@MCLooyverse
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAlison1456 I wrote "43" (4 and 3 sixes) in left-to-right seximal, as opposed to the normal right-to-left way everyone does in English. That's the backwards number he was talking about. Also "41" (4 and six).
@RuneyDude84
4 жыл бұрын
I’m so sad that no one mentioned the better way to finger count! You can use your thumb as a representation of 5, so 1-4 are counted normally, 5 is just the thumb, and then 6-9 are the positions for 1-4 paired with the thumb. I was taught this method in elementary school and it’s so useful, because it allows you to could to 99, if you use your left hand as the tens digit.
@Anonymous-df8it
Жыл бұрын
chisanbop
@theweapi
Жыл бұрын
3:55 Human body temperature is 98.6 not 96.8
@KrasBadan
3 жыл бұрын
Now we need the worst system. I suggest base-(2π/3). The first 2 digits is 0 and 1. Then we add ‘, which is ((2π/3)-2)th part of the 2 symbol, so ‘=(2π/3)-1 (~1.09439). Therefore 10=2π/3, 100=4π^2/9, 0.1=3/2π etc. Now there's only 3 usable numbers in the entire math (-1, 0 and 1). Also you can add some complexity by multiplying this by something like i^e.
@Liggliluff
5 жыл бұрын
(2:40) Why create a completely new system when you still can use metric? You just need new prefixes. so deca-, hecto-, kilo-, which are 10¹×, 10²×, 10³×, would instead be: 6¹×, 6²×, 6³× the same with deci-, centi-, mili-, currently being 10⁻¹×, 10⁻²×, 10⁻³×, would be 6⁻¹×, 6⁻²×, 6⁻³× new names and letters can be used, to avoid any confusion. Using the prefixes from Conlang Critic; nifti- is 6⁻²×, so a niftimeter (nm) is 0.01₆ meters. unti- is 6⁻⁴×, so an untimeter (um) is 0.0001₆ meters. biti- is 6⁻⁸×, so a bitimeter (bm) is 0.00000001₆ meters. feta- is 6²×, so a fetameter (Fm) is 100₆ meters. grand- is 6⁴×, so a grandmeter (Gm) is 10000₆ meters. - Additional prefixes would still be needed, as you do have GW (gigawatt), GB (gigabyte). But this is a good start. So in computing, you have byte (B), fetabyte (FB), grandbyte (GB) ≈ 1.30 KB or 1.27 KiB, so you need larger prefixes.
@diribigal
4 жыл бұрын
A wrinkle is that the kilogram is the standard SI unit of mass, so do we have niftikilograms, niftigrams, or both? If both that's an imperial pain.
@Liggliluff
3 жыл бұрын
@@diribigal Kilogram should rather be renamed to gram if we switch base; so if the kilo- prefix isn't used, just dropping it altogether works. Another option is to make up a new name and define it the same as 1 kg.
@madislegames1743
5 жыл бұрын
For bases greater than 10 I understand changing how we say the number because we have to but 6 is less than 10 so there is no reason we can’t say the number normally so one hundred (base 10) is two hundred and forty four (base 6)
@rateeightx
5 жыл бұрын
Are You Saying On Base 6 We Should Say "Two Hundred & Fourty Four" When We Mean (Decimal) 100? That'd Be Really Confusing...
@MrRyanroberson1
5 жыл бұрын
Only for the weak minded. We have language to speak, and if we decide to speak words to represent *digits* instead of quantities, then surely we could speak using decimal.
@FishyCuber
5 жыл бұрын
Thank you HBM, very nifty!
@ptrap1106
4 жыл бұрын
ba dum ts
@Neseku
5 жыл бұрын
Waited an entire month just to get a video on some fucking numbers
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