Loved this, thanks, Josh! Great job demonstrating and comparing, as always. Love my Shastock mutes.
@JoshRzepkaMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! Yeah, they are such great sounding mutes. I imagine you've got at least a couple of them.
@BariRMe
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh. I have both an early version and a later version of this mute, but I'm pretty sure there are others still later. In addition to the two kinds of cups, I think the mute parts changed. According to an email I got from Roger Ingram, "depending on what was in stock at the manufacturing facility, the clamp screw was either a thumb screw or a slotted screw. Also, the clamp style changed in the 1930s. Originally, the old clamp simply used a setscrew which dug into the cone. Until the 1970s, the upper conical portion of the cone was always made from fiberboard and the bottom cylindrical portion of the cone was always made from plastic. In the 1970s, the bottom cylindrical portion of the cone started being made from industrial grade cardboard. The resonator was always made from wood. Depending on the era, the wooden resonator was sometimes painted, sometimes not." My early version has a straight seam down the side of the cone, but the somewhat later version also has a triangular piece in the seam where the cone and tube come together that the early version does not, or at least doesn't appear to. Maybe it required a patch unless they made a bunch like that, but I'm sure it was a factory-done thing. I don't have any others to compare these to. Also, I believe some of the early mutes came with a rubberized rim that probably was there to protect the bell, rather like the HB Mic-A-Mute. The chemical technology being what it was, however, this eventually got hard and brittle, and ended up breaking off. My older version had remnants of it I chose not to salvage when I reconditioned mine. Instead I put some brown suede around the rim to serve that purpose. It doesn't look too bad, considering the condition it was in when I got it. To say it was ugly would be kind. The screw had put holes into the body deep enough I used a plastic filler material on. Then I had to sand the whole thing down, but the filler wasn't black like the mute, so I had to go with white paint to hide the repairs. The cup also looked like it had been stomped on so I had to do dent removal on it, something I'd never tried before. The result is a mute I really like to play tho, and even the cup doesn't look too bad, though it isn't as round as any of yours. BTW, the previous owner had wrapped the tube with something to make the cup fit a little better. I decided to give white duct tape a try and the cup now fits at least a little better. I don't think I can send you any photos and Roger only has 2 up on his site, and neither of them show a seam.
@JoshRzepkaMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, nice! Yes, they did change the materials a few times - Roger has told me that as too. It makes it a little easier to identify the era. Nice, how does it sound with the suede? Wow, sounds like you did quite a bit of work on that mute. Glad it turned out sounding good!
@BariRMe
3 жыл бұрын
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Well, it’s hard to say how much the suede impacts the sound. I know it sounds a little different than the newer one, but so does yours. It may also depend on the horn. I notice less difference on my trumpet (Benge) than I do on one of my cornets (1955 Conn 12A). It seems to me the older mute emphasizes the mellower nature of the cornet slightly, but makes less difference on the brighter sound of the trumpet. And this observation is from the mouthpiece end of the horn, so it’s not as it would be perceived by the audience. But again, I can’t tell how much is attributable to the suede. I decided to put it on while I was still refurbing it. The suede is a similar color to the original rubber rim, which is why I thought of it. It came from an old leather jacket that I saved the outside of because it thought it might come in handy some day. 😀
@BariRMe
2 жыл бұрын
Josh - one more thing. I've tuned my mutes by filing the corks and don't feel like I notice the intonation issues as much. Have you tried tuning the mute without the cup on - filing the corks? Also, I think the older version of the cup section has a larger diameter than the newer version.
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