You are genuinely the best MTB channel on youtube. I wish you so much success, I wish there was a way i could promote your channel
@googleuseraxel9893
3 жыл бұрын
Lol I’m running a cheap set of $50 shimano 2 piston brakes on my dh bike with 203mm rotors
@pizzagorgonzola4699
3 жыл бұрын
no he isn't
@SpencerBaum
3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts about 4 pot brakes is that it's such a marginal difference in weight, that I'd much rather have that extra power for the few times that I actually do need it. They also look much cooler
@frosthoe
3 жыл бұрын
I run the Magura Mt5 - 4's on front and rear, with 220mm mdr frnt rotor and a 180mm HC rear. The difference between a 180mm and the 220 up front was totally noticable, like the 220 way better , easier more consistant braking at uber speeds.
@docalvin15
3 жыл бұрын
Can u pair the M6100 brake levers to M6120 brake calipers?
@qualitycertifiedbass
3 жыл бұрын
@@docalvin15 yes you can.
@rossisbonsaiandavocados5785
4 жыл бұрын
Cool video thanks. I ride XT M8000 2 piston brakes on my giant Anthem 29er i am 100kg in weight and do long steep technical descends with constant braking , i am so happy with these breaks they have never let me down, would not want any other brakes. Cheers from South Africa.
@suspicioustumbleweed4760
3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah me too. Having quality hydraulic brakes does so much for your riding.
@solidstream13
4 жыл бұрын
It would be a cool test of larger roter vs more pistons and it’s effect on power and modulation
@newttella1043
4 жыл бұрын
I just switch my front rotor to 180 with an adapter and everything else unchanged. I really notice the stopping power, but not grabby. It basically stops as expected where as before it seemed to lose stopping power on long steeper descents, probably overheating.
@AnarchoKapital
3 жыл бұрын
I still run one of the first Shimano Disc brakes BR M755. It's from around 2003 I think. Would be interesting to see a comparison between old 4 piston, new 4 piston and new 2 piston brakes.
@li3r
3 жыл бұрын
@@AnarchoKapital Still have the m755 somewhere kept as spare. I've been using them with 180mm rotors and sintered pads. Switched few years ago to m675 - they are much more powerful, metalic pads with 203mm rotors, can't really complain for lack of power or modulation.
@AnarchoKapital
3 жыл бұрын
@@li3r Currently use them on my City and Travelbike, so not much power needed.
@jimig399
3 жыл бұрын
That's perfect man. I want to see that one too.
@pedrination
2 жыл бұрын
I've had your same impression: way better modulation! I think with bigger rotors (203) worth definitely the upgrade. IMO it doesn't brake any better than the 2 pistons
@growingup4487
11 ай бұрын
limited by the tire's grip
@yenchungchen7334
4 жыл бұрын
i'm having shimano mt-520 caliper with H03C metal Brake Pads using 160mm rotor for front brake on my litespeed road bike, and i'm very happy using them , very powerful , linear , saving my sweat pulling break lever but also not too expensive, worth every penny.
@mikeburgh3956
7 ай бұрын
I just ordered a set of the 6120s so just looking up some vids for them and came across your channel! Now im very excited I got the 6120s. I didn't want to spend over $200 on brakes and found these for $199 🎉 Thanks for the review!
@LoveMTB
7 ай бұрын
You're welcome, let us know how you like them! You got a very capable set of brakes.
@atenconsult1437
4 жыл бұрын
Install recently 6120 with kevlar pads plus freeza rotors and got much better stopping power. I am 220 lbs rider and they hold me very well. Thanks for another great review. Another quality piece from shimano for less money.
@eXTreemator
Жыл бұрын
Not much quality high price and no warranty
@cpopte
4 жыл бұрын
Canalul acesta va creste ! Trebuie. Excelent ca de obicei. Am luat multe decizii de a cumpara sau nu bazandu-ma pe acest canal si nu pe gmbn.
@rauldragu9447
4 жыл бұрын
va le leu
@rauldragu9447
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB stai, tu esti de fapt roman?
@rauldragu9447
4 жыл бұрын
Stiam eu ca auzeam ceva in accentul tau :)
@Optichin
3 жыл бұрын
Guys, if you consider buying the Deore 4 Piston caliper, skip it and go for the SLX! Braking power ist the same, but the SLX 4 piston calipers come with ice TEC brake pads as standard! Upgrading the Deore with ICE TEC brake pads will cost you around 20€, which in fact makes the better looking SLX 4 piston caliper even cheaper than the Deore!
@elliottkingshott1163
4 жыл бұрын
had the 520s for 2 years now. sound exactly the same. they are amazing for the price though
@g.fortin3228
3 жыл бұрын
Love this channel.. I was again contemplating changing calipers and came back for a refresh having watched this a little while back.. I just appreciate your detailed explanations so much there is no reason to search elsewhere..you cover it best right here !
@rjahn3000
4 жыл бұрын
I have a new Giant Trance 29-3 it came standard with the Deore 4 piston brake in the front and the Deore 2 piston in the rear they both are excellent and a big upgrade from my last bike with the basic Tektro brakes.
@skrzatRG
7 ай бұрын
Both levers feel the same ?
@wills4343
4 жыл бұрын
I have XT 8020 on the front and XT 8000 on the back. The biggest difference is the modulation. The 8000 goes to full lock up very quickly. I'm going to switch the rears to 8020 as well.
@richarde1355
4 жыл бұрын
Weight distribution when braking also makes a huge difference on lockup on the rear or not. I was just riding today, and I have the lowly M500 brakes on my bike. I had to crank on both, and due to my weight distribution the rear tire skidded and the front just...stopped. Same brakes, different result.
@richarde1355
4 жыл бұрын
LoveMTB agree. I like them; they do what they are supposed to do, they stop quickly and effectively. And I weigh 210, and carrying a 10 pound pack.
@stanley3647
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for review, I just bougth M6100 (for rear) and M6120 (front) as a upgrade of current brakes. Cannot wait to test it on trail :D
@LoveMTB
Жыл бұрын
Definitely let us know how you like the combo!
@stanley3647
Жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB It is arrived but i need to buy bleed tool to fit rear one (handle in set is not connected) And front one they send me wrong one 6100 instead 6120, so i need to sort it at monday when they opening customer office. So... still at old Sram Level brakes :D
@stanley3647
Жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB I fit rear one (M6100) and here is a my experience vs. Sram Level T + extremely quiet + easy to set (allign) new set to disc + no problem with "Sram-like" Avid 180mm rotor (i don't wanna replace few weeks old rotor) + good braking power - even with brand new pads. + i like M6100 lever shape and how is allign on handlebar - fits better to my '2 fingers' than Sram Level T + mineral oil is not corrosive when drop on paint - mineral oil is more expensive than DOT5 and need to be replaced more often - but this is more 'apples vs oranges' thing ;) - i don't like is how Shimano secure brake pads... with safety pin, really? = same modulation as Sram Level T - but it can be different after pads allign to disc. I can recommend highly for rear wheel.
@jorgesoandso
3 ай бұрын
best review i have seen, thank you very much, i was doubtiing about wich brakes were better for my ride style
@raphaelbarrosdesa8936
3 жыл бұрын
Such a well put together video Jesus, thanks for all the effort much appreciated Sir 🙌🏼
@catg9196
4 жыл бұрын
I had m8000 2 piston and now m8120. Don’t notice much difference. Then I recently install m6000 on my commuter bike. It seems to perform the same. But then again, I don’t go off roading with the commuter bike nor do I heat them up like some long down hills off road. Sometimes I wonder on my next build to go with the deore your reviewing. Cheaper........ very informative video by the way. Thanx!
@dylan-5287
Жыл бұрын
Man I love your channel. Just got a m6120 brake for the rear to replace a m401 2 piston, going to install them tonight! Should go nice with the Zee m640 I've got in the front haha. I swear it seems like they no longer produce Zee's anymore, so I thought the m6120 would be close enough. Your channel has an absolute wealth of knowledge on it. And I love the reviews.
@nicolapellegrino1072
3 жыл бұрын
The h03 metallic finned pads fits perfectly in the 6120 brake caliper.. I use them without any problems at all.. the stock resin/not finned pads are awful specially when you use them on ebikes, metallic finned are a game changer indeed.
@vijayanchomatil8413
3 ай бұрын
I had a specialized fuse and the first thing i did was get deore mt8120 4pot for the front. Front 4pot and rear 2 pot is perfect.
@michaelhoulden9018
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for these videos man. They helped me with my recent purchase from bike components. The Deore look like a brilliant min-max solution for me. Bonus points for highlighting my home turf, Hardwood, where I coach and instruct.
@freefeel2346
3 жыл бұрын
Hey! I used mt-200 brakes for 8 months, after using mechanical disk breaks, and I was really excited! I really had to do stoppy because I was like 'hey, I don't think that they are so good as seems so I would push the lever as always'. Than, my caliper had just broke, at the place of bolts(and it made my disk unrepaireble). I bought MT-520 caliper, replaced and can say, that there are more modulation than is was with mt-200 caliper. Like on sram guide maybe. A half length lever breaks smooth, but when fully - hard, so I fell down 2 times for 3 months.
@user-pp5or5og4k
4 жыл бұрын
I my old M8000 2 piston have more power than my new M8100 four piston. The problem is the new levers. The best setup I have tried for Shimano is old M8000 levers with new M8100 4 piston calipers. Many of Shimano's factory riders are running this set up.
@mikeljhonson8959
4 жыл бұрын
Love you love MTB. I always follow your channel and always pay close attention to your recommendation on any product. It is a long time since you reviewed any continental tyres. Specifically cross country tyres. Last time when you reviewed they were " X king 2.2/2.4" and Race King 2.2" since then you may have seen continental revised their tyres slightly with "cross king 2.3/ race king 2.3 and you haven't uploaded any videos and real life measurement on that if I am not mistaken. but i was hugely benefitted with your measurements before. Not only with continental tyres but with others too. Specially it was eye opening for me to see maxxis's 2.2" width tyres are actually more beefier as well as bigger then schwalbe or any other brands 2.2" width tyres. And also your viewers can see have they make any improvements to their quality control like tyres' trueness. I mostly use schwalbe and maxxis tyres. Though love the maxxis tyres a bit more simply because of their nice quality control. Where the quality control of Schwalbe tyres aren't up to the mark of maxxis. Have found trueness issues with multiple varient of their tyres. Cheap nobby nic tlr tyres are worst. Where maxxis's super cheap wire bead ikon's always came with nice trueness out of the box, Schwalbe's fancy foldable-double defense-E-bike ready E-40, smart sam has same trueness issues like nobby nic's! I have tried everything! Both sides bead line are perfectly visible as well as beads are seated perfectly, wheels were true as ruler, But it felt like they don't want defected products to left behind! Have to Sell them at any cost! Though those issues are like bearable level. Don't look sharp but liveable. But those who are nerdy they can't live with them. I have no way of making videos like you otherwise schwalbe would have faced hard time to sell rubbish tyres.
@TeamCykelhold
4 жыл бұрын
I opted for the SLX m7120 and I am super happy about them
@esdubya
4 жыл бұрын
Hi mate Great vid as usual thanks for your informative content! A bike I bought recently was fitted with the 4pot mt420’s though they seemed to have good bite but the fade was real. And i hated the non servo wave levers. Levers are huge and had no modulation, however i had some Deore 2pots m6100’s i removed from another previous bike. So i put the servo wave levers from the Deores on the mt420’s calipers! bled them up and wow these are now equivalent in power and modulation to Slx7120 4pots that came on my RipmoAf.
@esdubya
4 жыл бұрын
LoveMTB I’m guessing here cause they’ve black they’re resin.
@doncrescas
4 жыл бұрын
The 420 levers are awful. Switched my levers to a set of slx and they are awesome. But then I was able to buy a set of zee calipers for cheap and I like that combo even better.
@doncrescas
4 жыл бұрын
Both. They are the same 2-3 finger levers from the low-end non series brakes. Very hard to get a good one finger grip and the lever needs to move more before it bites. Also very flexy.
@fra93ilgrande
Жыл бұрын
Deore, SLX, XT, XTR, all equally performing, only difference is weight and materials. That said, 4 piston caliper version would make a great choice for e-bikes
@LoveMTB
Жыл бұрын
It's funny, it was e-bikes that pushed Shimano to bring the 4-piston to the wide market from the DH Saint/ Zee
@Marc28031984
4 жыл бұрын
Got the same setup. 4 pot front, 2 pot rear. Magura MT Trail.
@WOLFTICKVIDEOS
4 жыл бұрын
I love my mt-420s although it does take a little getting used to the power of them. Thanks for the video.
@Kammaol
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB according to Shimano it's only 10% difference against servowave lever. I have the 420s and they work great
@livinlarge1247
Жыл бұрын
Great comments: From what I understand the 4 piston calipers wear pads more evenly where they might be less likely to stick. I am leaning toward the 6120 to replace my 2 piston Deore, which stop fine for me, but as mentioned the sticking and uneven pad wear. (Never trouble finding 2 piston a pad though.) Also: the high-end Sram Code looks like it has a nice adjustable caliper, but I have never used Sram. If anything on a basic MTB a 2 piston is fine but after a long time I am considering a 4 piston on this new frame build. Thanks again for the video and comments of knowledge. Those 420 & 520s look good too.
@tommycooperfish
4 жыл бұрын
Have cheap Guide T 4 pots that came specced on my bike as standard and my god are they good on 200/180 rotors. Insane amount of force and can keep doing 1 finger stoppies all through the pads life and in the soaking wet which is new to me and the old crappy OEM shimmy ones I was using before. Pads I've been using are nukeproofs version for guides in semi metallic and they are better performing for half the price. Very good value for money, but I reckon these probably beat them for value. I like that these use the SLX style ceramic piston.
@MainSaid
3 жыл бұрын
Hello from Russia! I use mt6100 with mt520 caliper. I compared live calipers 6120 and 520 and found no difference in them
@10abersj
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Thanks for the content. I’ve subscribed. Doing my upgrade to these very brakes this week. Been on order since August and I’m pumped to try them!
@andresfelipemurillobedoya73
4 жыл бұрын
Saludos amigos. Tengo unos frenos de 4 pistones Shimano zee y la diferencia entre 2 pistones se percibe en la menos fuerza que requiere para frenar, la suavidad con la que apretamos el disco pero a la vez la potencia de frenado.
@robadobdob
3 жыл бұрын
I installed a set of these Deore 4-pots on my e-bike last night (using your awesome video too, btw) and took them out for a ride today. The stopping power is phenomenal and me and my bike are a *heavy* package. The only thing I would say is if you have older shifters, at least get dual-release shifters so you can reach the small paddle which will be under the brake body.
@aldrincosme6115
Жыл бұрын
Hey I know its kind of a late comment but I was wondering if you could compare the 4 pot version of the MT420 brakes as well. Was wondering how would they stack up against Deore 2 and 4 pot brakes
@Hawlkeye-e9p
4 жыл бұрын
You can get clarks 180 rotos for 10 bucks on newegg and 40-45 mm stems for 10 bucks also on newegg. The stem is made by wake but its a really good stem and you can blk out the name. They come in 5 colors. Clash build has 210 dropper, lyrik 180. 6100 brakes. Slx boost cranks and dpx2 shock for 200 off pinkbike. Should all be done by end of next week. Entire build 3200.00 cant wait to ride it.
@workhorsemtb6634
3 жыл бұрын
I bumped up to, Shimano SLX 4 pot, and do not regret it.
@Chuckolicious
4 жыл бұрын
Glad I found someone to prove out my theory that 4 pot in rear is unnecessary for most! Hey, one suggestion: upgrade to a Hero 8 (cheap now) or 9, and a chest mount. Riding footage will be orders of magnitude better. And if you do, check Loam Wolf's setting guide, total set and forget!
@DamianNocun
2 жыл бұрын
Great channel, immediately subscribed ;) just ordered set of xt-m8100 before watching this video to my xc bike, now I'm wondering if I should take 4 pistons version for front after watching it ;/ BTW what is this nice handlebar you are using on this bike?
@thelittle
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks for the content. I have the old m615 levers with 420 calipers and its an incredible combo. had some 615 brakes and bought the 420 calipers than sold 615 standard ones. no much difference from saint but cost a fraction. recommend
@jamble7k
4 жыл бұрын
never noticed the pinched lowers of the stepcast forks... cool
@dashofawesome64
3 ай бұрын
One friend of me got a fully from like 2009. Some m58 something on there. Sadly one is leaking at the lever a bit. but they look really clean and the modulation is nice. but parts are like non existed so m7120 here we go he he.
@digx07
Жыл бұрын
Okay I will say if you’re are sticking to flatter trails like on xc or trail bike all you need is 2 piston but I recently just got 4 piston brakes and I instantly noticed the improvement on super steep tech the power is necessary for me
@LoveMTB
Жыл бұрын
Or...get someting like the Fomula 2-piston, good enough for winning DH races! - kzitem.info/news/bejne/spiarWWphJpplaA
@mtbwithshane5699
4 жыл бұрын
Subbed! Thanks for all the great MTB content. Cheers from California! -Shane
@MTBMOR
3 жыл бұрын
I love the 4 piston brakes, but getting pads is difficult. My shop recently installed the H03a pads in my SLX and XT brake calipers because they could not get the N03a pads. It has me concerned. The Store manager said the only difference is the H03a don't look as clean up top.
@saintless
3 жыл бұрын
As someone currently putting a new touring rig together, it's really helpful to know that 2 piston pads are easier to get. Thanks for commenting!
@MTBMOR
3 жыл бұрын
@@saintless We are in a difficult situation. I ended up getting 4 pistons pads from Europe. They are available, it just takes a little work to find them.
@ZFraanK
2 жыл бұрын
Gracias por traducir los videos, son de gran utilidad
@stepbro2119
2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 piston brakes front and rear, 180 rotor front 160 rear, and i would like to get more power out of the brakes? Should I get the 4 piston calliper front, rear or both?
@wobllle6526
4 жыл бұрын
The way you say sAint makes me cringe a bit :)). Other than that great video
@Groosome128
3 жыл бұрын
I just got an MT520 caliper for the front on sale. It looks identical to the M6120 you show here. Haven't installed it yet. Upgrading from MT500 with 180mm rotors front and back.
@NewLightEnergy
4 жыл бұрын
My family has the 520 4 piston on 3 of our bikes. They are powerful but one set is leaking around the ceramic seal so it keeps contaminating the pads. The bike shop says they they have a box of faulty 520’s calipers in the back. 180mm are ok 203mm are fantastic you’ll feel softness with the 180’s.
@NewLightEnergy
4 жыл бұрын
LoveMTB Still waiting for Ridleys out of Calgary they are to send up a whole new front brake system. 2 months waited so long. Delays I guess.
@kjones3973
4 жыл бұрын
I just started using the Deore 6100 levers with the 6120 calipers with 203mm rotors front and rear. I felt I needed the extra power because I'm a bigger guy and the 2 piston brakes with 203mm rotors weren't enough at times. I like the 4 piston setup a lot and they are quite snappy which is good for me. I did modify the levers a bit to remove some of the free-stroke.
@kjones3973
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB No, I removed the lever from the housing and pulled the push rod out that compresses the piston in the master cylinder. The pushrod can be lengthened by carefully pulling the black clevis piece off of the silver shaft part with some plyers and twisting....just be careful not to break the pin off of the end and don't grab the ball end and bur it up. Then add some small washers to lengthen the push rod and use a small press to carefully press back on the clevis and reassemble it. The thickness of washers controls the amount of FS it has.
@someoneridesmountainbikes2355
4 жыл бұрын
Same reason i went 4 pistons
@ubauba6530
3 жыл бұрын
I have the M520's on my Vitus Sommet; the difference between 2-piston and 4-piston breaks on aggressive downhill trails is night and day. Overkill if you're a blue trail/ XC kinda guy, but essential if you're into bombing down steep descents with lots of berms and technical riding. You can really push your luck when attacking trails that you would usually slow right down for with 2-piston breaks and it doesn't take much to lock that back wheel up.
@johanbesar8041
3 жыл бұрын
The 10% comes from new wide brake pad. But when you downhill and brake, you will not notice the different power. If wanna powerfull brake just upgred to bigger rotor.
@Downhillfromhere23
3 жыл бұрын
Subscribed! Great channel and probably one of THE best for reviews. No Bull, straight to it. Like how you look at budget as well as high end. I am looking at brake upgrades at the moment from my stock Tektro (the ones that come with every budget mtb) Thinking of just standard Deore But 4 pot calipers??? As i ride in th UK which of course is like PNW!
@Downhillfromhere23
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply! Love your content. Its great at understanding the range too. I recently upgraded my drivetrain based off advice from your other vids. Went with Shimano SLX SGS deraillier and shifter but a sunrace cmz903 11-51 tooth cassette. Massive improvement on the old 3x9. My budget bike is looking a lot better and dropper post is next and then brakes. Thanks, think i will go m6100 deores with larger rotors. 👍🏻👍🏻
@Groosome128
3 жыл бұрын
My 2018 Merida 140 came with a Sunrace 11-50 cassette. 900kms in and it's going great.
@Downhillfromhere23
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB hey man, me again! I managed to get a sweet deal on SLX M7100 brakes, supplied with metallic fin pads! Will be using your video next couple of days to fit them! Although. Do agree about the blue colour! But hey, same price as 6100 I couldn’t say No! 👍🏻
@sebastianjost
4 жыл бұрын
Still have the standard Deore M6000 (2 piston) brakes. The transition nly thing I would like is a shorter free stroke. The power is definitely sufficient.
@juklam
4 жыл бұрын
I have both MT520s and M6120s and the latter felt like they had a lot of more modulation compared to MT520s which feel more like on and off, also the new levers of M6120s feel more solid and stiff when pulling the brake
@darkomtc
2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried sram brakes? I want to replace my sram guide t cause i don't feel when pads hit the disc (in my fingers). Sram has like a constant pull, and at some point the disc is squeezed, and i get no feedback to my finger. On shimano (m615), first, there's true free stroke, almost no resistance to lever and when the pads hit the disc, i can feel it in my finger, from that exact spot. Do 4pot shimano have that "feature" too, or do they work like sram in that sense?
@marekvanatka2426
4 жыл бұрын
Nice overview! Is the fin pad incompatibility a problem for anybody? I feel like the fin pads are only a waste of money? I can barely feel decreasing braking performance on M8000 with semimetallic (Galfer) pads (no fins) on my light trail bike. Even origo resin pads are fine. I have never felt any brake fade on my enduro with ZEE plus metallic pads with no fins even after a day of bikepark runs.
@XpressOmatic
3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Still undecided here, which is better 4 pot? M6120? Or M7120? Is the extra $$$ worth it for the m7120? Thank you.
@GamePlayFromPoland
3 жыл бұрын
I have m8000 Levers and m7120 calipers and it runs great ;) comparing the m6000 to m8000 lever feels loads of diffrence in the braking modulation.
@GamePlayFromPoland
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB it's like i feel more confident using the xt lever, and they got more useable features.
@reptarthetrx2408
4 жыл бұрын
Literally looking to buy an Ibis Ripmo AF that comes with the deore m6100 4 piston brakes and here's your review, thanks.
@reptarthetrx2408
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB they're sold out everywhere and has to be special ordered. The good thing is I'm in the Bay Area so there's plenty of Ibis bike shops here. The Ripmo AF comes with a decent build for $3200 and best part for me is it's aluminum. I don't trust my self with carbon lol I been known to take some big crashes.
@jayc5913
3 жыл бұрын
Liberty Cycle in Toronto is an Ibis dealer along with Little Ed’s up in Collingwood. Being able to actually get any of their (Ibis) bikes at the moment well that’s a different story.
@woduk
4 жыл бұрын
Yes I’ve got them on my hardtail with front 203 disc very good stopping power once you try the aftermarket pads. Never liked shimano’s own pads. I’ve also been spoiled with having hope e4s but for the money an excellent buy or upgrade.
@Gransport1965
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB Jagwire and Galfer are both very good.
@twistedfatedied5051
3 жыл бұрын
I downgraded and upgraded my brakes. I changed my 2 piston Deore XT into 4 piston SLX just changed it last week haven't got a chance to test it. Looking forward to have a ride.
@twistedfatedied5051
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB update it to you after the first ride.
@jagclair
2 жыл бұрын
@@twistedfatedied5051 how was the ride?
@twistedfatedied5051
2 жыл бұрын
@@jagclair Well there's a big difference between 2 and 4 pot brakes. Good
@thehappyone3883
3 жыл бұрын
Another great video , and if you could please review the MT 520 that would be great. Thank you!
@thehappyone3883
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your advice, highly appreciated. All the best. And keep producing good videos. 🙂👍
@mediasucks
3 жыл бұрын
The MT520 calipers are identical to M6120 calipers. I built brakes for my 2020 Nukeproof Scout using M8100 levers, MT520 calipers, BH90 hose, Swissstop D27 green pads and 203mm RT-86 rotors. These replaced 2015 SRAM Guide R levers matched to 2016 Avid Code hose and calipers that I had on the bike for a short time after I built it. I'm still undecided which of these brakes I prefer, the Shimano being stronger but less controllable. Like all Shimano 4 pot calipers, the pistons in the MT420, MT520, M6120, M7120, M8020, M8120, M9120, M640 and M820 are 15mm and 17mm diameter (not 16 and 18). With a 10mm master cylinder piston in the lever, Shimano's 4 pot hydraulic leverage ratio is 5.14 (vs 4.84 with the 22mm dual pot calipers). That's only a 6% direct brake force increase due to the extra piston area, with the increased size of the brake pad accounting for the extra additional brake force delivered by the caliper. Brake pad compounds and lever mechanical leverage account for most of the remaining differences in braking power for a given rotor. My wife's bike has a MT520 caliper on the front and MT420 caliper on the rear, mated to Clarks Clout1 levers and hose. The MT420 is visually different from the MT520, M6120, M7120 etc. and has black resin pistons but power-wise feels the same. She runs D03S resin pads; with Swissstop pads braking was too instant for her.
@АлексейРубинин-н3ь
3 жыл бұрын
hello, is it possible to use a 4 piston caliper with a master cylinder from a 2 piston caliper? caliper M6120 and brake cylinder M6000? Will the handle have enough force?
@alifallah1954
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you . Right now two pot m6000 . Maybe 4 pot for my next bike in 2022
@ClarkBark14
4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying my m6000's after jumping up to 203mm 2 piece ice tech rotors.
@jeffgendron1959
Жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison. I've been using 2 piston but thinking to upgrade my front only to 4 piston. But seeing the caliper makes me wonder about reliability, is ceramic pots more reliable than the conventional resin pots found on the 2 piston version?
@LoveMTB
Жыл бұрын
Kind of the same to be honest.
@coolmuthapea
4 жыл бұрын
I run the 520 in front on one bike with single pot out back. The caliper is the same as the deore but uses the old style lever which is fine. Lots of power. Another bike ive xt 4 pot front and slx single out back. Not much between either bike set ups.
@manneblask
4 жыл бұрын
Using the 4-pot SLX M7120 Calipers on my old BL-M8000 Levers, I'm so blown away with the power these brakes have. Super cheap and hassle free upgrade!
@SimplePleasuresMTB
2 жыл бұрын
Great videos, very descriptive, Subscribed🤘🏻
@SimplePleasuresMTB
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB you got a whole library of goods👍🏻
@darrenwilliams1292
3 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for an answer to this question, and you probably know it. Could I put an m8120 xt brake lever on an existing cheap mt-420 4 piston rotor with a straight cable?
@rwogmtb-ridingwitholdguy
3 жыл бұрын
another great video full of useful info
@Samazing01
4 жыл бұрын
Notif squad! Btw I'm using the older M615 Deore brakes. The master cylinder has a bit of rust forming. I was wondering if the newer Deore brake cylinder and lever uses stainless steel like SLX or XT.
@Samazing01
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB The part where the levers are installed. The levers themselves are fine but the part where they are connected to. Bubbles (sign of rust) has formed on the surface of the black part under the faceplate.
@Samazing01
4 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB I'll take note of that then :)! I guess I'll save a bit more for the newer SLX brakes cheers!
@MRFMultitools
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. i have now dilemma what to choose M8000 or M6120 for my Scott Scale. I ride marathons and climbs up. now i have just M395 brakes.i have XL frame and i am 100kg guy. PLEASE ADVICE! p.s. the most informative channel about MTB
@MRFMultitools
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB so you do not advise 6120 Deore ? i am changing drivetrain from Deore 3*10 to 1*11
@svssvs9848
4 жыл бұрын
You can use ice tech brake pads on the 4 pistons, from the previous XT generation
@svssvs9848
4 жыл бұрын
The one you show on 0:26 this generation XT
@Stickymicky25
4 жыл бұрын
I made the jump to the M6120’s for the Mrs, and I splashed the cash and went M8120’s!!! Both are mega impressive but the M6120’s are the stand out for a bargain!!! Totally agree with you about the power, if really pulled by heck you learn to endo or fail quick! 😂 I also bought the XTR dropper lever because of your other videos!... ergonomics are spot on!
@aliyasinErdogan
4 жыл бұрын
I have deore 6120s 180mm for front 160mm back and it is looking good and breaking superbly but first, you need to upgrade tyres cuz it is able to lock the front brakes other than that great one finger brakes
@Groosome128
3 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded from MT500 to MT520 caliper on the front with your help. I've only done 1 ride so far and it felt good. I stuck with the BL-MT500 lever and the BH59 hose I already had. The lever pulls closer to the bar but the engagement is a little more gradual which I guess is modulation. I never had a problem with the "on/off" feel and liked it cause my hands do the modulation :) Maybe I can get the lever back out more if I finish the bleed by applying pressure with the syringe at the caliper before closing the bleed port or maybe that's just the way it is. All in all a cheap upgrade for $60-70US if you already have a bleed kit and mineral oil.
@douglasshinzato6070
2 жыл бұрын
I was looking at shimano's website and they say that the SM-RT86 is compatible with the thin 4 pistons pads, but it didn't said nothing about the larger 2 pistons pads. Is it okay to use the larger ones? I saw that you use them with your XT brakes. And as aways, awesome video!
@douglasshinzato6070
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB The Shimano B03S resin pads. In Shimano's website it say in the description: "Pad Shape: Wide" Edit: KZitem didn't allow me to put the pads link here, it keeps deleting my comment 😕
@jerryx2000
Жыл бұрын
Hi how would you compare the 4 pot MT520 to the Saint? Is the Saint way better?
@jerryx2000
Жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB downhill on an emtb. Are the internals of the Saint better than the 520? I got a pair of Saints for 100$ and my MT520 levers are leaking oil.
@tonya9614
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great review
@Hawlkeye-e9p
4 жыл бұрын
Unless you live or ride where there is extreme elevation when you need to slow down a lot. I don't really see the need. But its nice to have options.
@ulukai_555
4 жыл бұрын
I live in Swiss alps. I rode with 2 calipers XT with no problems since then. Now that i'm getting more confident in descents, the needs of 4 calipers starts to be interesting. So yes totaly agree.
@polishguywithhardtospellna8227
3 жыл бұрын
520 also have ceramic pistons which is an upgrade comparing like for like price brackets of previous groupless brakes. I can compare only with Deore 615, that i had before and yes they have more power, but the lever is just as squishy, so I still look for that famous shimano on/off feel? Friend's XT definitely got that feel, so i'm kinda thinking maybe Japan made models only have that supposedly unwanted feel, but then most likely are made to higher standard/tighter tolerancies.(i got 520 as new, taken of new bike) So it kinda sucks, that bad opinion about shimano that comes from wealthier countries, where everybody rides XT, affects people with smaller budgets, which might choose "service nightmare"(DOT fluid) sram cheaper models, instead of trying Deore or groupless, which do not have on/off feel whatsoever imo. I bleed brakes myself and never have I felt on/off, I consider them having enough modulation, more pad distance also means they are not rubbing kings like Sram, Magura can be.
@twptel
3 жыл бұрын
I think this is better than other 4 pistons, bc you can buy cheaper pads unlike slx and xt
@sm0kyJoe
4 жыл бұрын
Here in Europe the Price difference to the SLX 4 Pot brakes is only 5€. I honestly ask myself what the point is. At least for private customers. maybe it makes a bigger difference as a bike manufacturer that buys in bulk
@sm0kyJoe
4 жыл бұрын
@@jokerx3de oh you're right. the seti checked had the m7120 front and the m7100 in the rear. good catch!
@stephenlord599
4 жыл бұрын
LoveMTB I’m pretty sure he means the price difference between SLX and Deore or 520. It is literally 5€ on calipers and makes no sense when you factor in cutting off the banjo to fit an olive or new hose.
@Serby665
2 жыл бұрын
Seems the 4 pots are really making a point for themselves. But, if your bike came with Deore XT 8100, 2 pot, would it make sense to change the front caliper with a Deore M520 , 4 pot, or would the differences not be worth the effort?
@Serby665
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the info, I watched it, and decided I'd rather not open up new brakes, and deal with different hoses just to have a 4 pot over 2 pot. The bike is around 11kg, and I'm around 72 kg. Since I ride mostly XC, and keep control over descents, I decided it's better to stick with the XTs at least one or two years, and maybe change them if you really decide your skill overtakes them.
@MTBFreeks
4 жыл бұрын
I just found your channel I have a channel too subbed look forward to more videos so far so good
@heyg7819
2 жыл бұрын
I went OTB today with the 6120's today. I think I had a hard pedal strike and grabbed too much front brake. I noticed during the ride it was fully biting too easily, new bike so shaking out the setup.and coming from SLX 2 pot which had overall better feel. I think I might go to XT 2 pot for the front. I never had a problem stopping with 2 pot.
@heyg7819
2 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB anyway you could tell me if the bleed screw for the deore is the same as the SLX/XT, seems to be out of stock everywhere and mine is stripped. SLX/XT have the same part number and are M5-4.7. Deore product sheet doesn't have that size info. I can't imagine that it's any different 🙏
@LeenksBarrow
3 жыл бұрын
im not understand, only rear brake have 4 piston or front have same 4 piston on 6120 model versions?
@antonioalfaroparedes7208
3 жыл бұрын
Me encanta tu cleta!!... muy bien ahi con el delporte!!
@simont3686
3 жыл бұрын
I heard that the H03C brake pads should work on the Deore and the MT520. Some say with, some say without modification of one fin.
@simont3686
3 жыл бұрын
@@LoveMTB Some dude said that modification would not be necessary when inserted the right way.
@stephenkennedy6358
Ай бұрын
On the OEM version of the brakes where the cable is already connected, do you still need to add mineral oil and bleed them.
@LoveMTB
Ай бұрын
@@stephenkennedy6358 they are filled with oil. If you cut the hose you have to do a quick lever bleed have a video about that
@disturbeddemon828
3 жыл бұрын
im using 4 pod shimano zee hidrolic brakes
@StevenJimenez200182
5 ай бұрын
2 pistón SLX or 4 pistón DEORE (Kit)???
@oiyo5124
6 ай бұрын
What can you say about "Ceramic" cheap brake pads? Ordered m7120 with NO4c metal pads and plan to get back ups. Its either Resin or Ceramic. Either way Im buying those cheap no name pads. Original shimano pads are a bit pricier especially the Metal. Lucky I got a set of m7120s for 150$. I also saw copper substrate red/golden pads labeled as Metal
@LoveMTB
6 ай бұрын
I have tried cheaper pads and I'm always back to shimano original. So YMMV
@oiyo5124
6 ай бұрын
@@LoveMTB Thank you! 🥰
@MTBRidesInCebu
3 жыл бұрын
hi newbie question, can I use my old XT brakes and exchange the 2 piston calipers to 4 piston calipers? is it compatible?
@esaujonathanbarreraurbano4858
2 жыл бұрын
Gracias men por tada la impormacion..,saludes de colombia👍😁😁😁😁
@iskinmind7020
4 жыл бұрын
I have m6100 both front and back installed. As you say, it is not about power. You can lock your wheels with a single finger even on 160mm rotors, never mind the 180 or 203 ones. 4 pistons have better modulation and that is their only advantage, though admittedly, my experience with them is limited to about 150km of hill riding. Main advantage of 2 piston parts is price and spares availability. You are paying A LOT of premium for borderline undetectable modulation advantage. Shops also may not always carry 4 piston pads as well, whereas 2 piston pads are very common. Also, I would not be surprised if you can even fit pads from ancient models like m375 - they look identical to a naked eye. If you live in a place that is far from the so called "developed" areas, that can be a point to consider.
@iskinmind7020
4 жыл бұрын
Also, as a side note, I found that in my brief experience with m6120 I encountered a problem with uneven pad wear on them. Wear pattern was indicative of stronger wear towards incoming rotatoin of a rotor, not even across the board on the front brake. Unlikely that they would have survived longer than the m6100 pads due to that. The rear was fine though, so it might have been some external factor like trapped sand or mud.
@ethanbenton6676
3 жыл бұрын
are the deore levers the same as the 5 series levers too or is that only the case with the caliper?
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