Did your bike make it to the bike vault this week?
@lukehale8505
3 жыл бұрын
Not this week but maybe next!
@martinmoller4947
3 жыл бұрын
As i understood the ep8 is just a e8000 with a different fw? I think i stay with Bosch drives. My cx gen 2 is just amazing. You get power but its still efficient and i like the overall feeling which feels like biking. Emtb mode is just very useful and smart. Not sure what exactly is the point to get a shimano drive unit.
@chriskros8858
3 жыл бұрын
@@martinmoller4947 My e8000 did over 12000 km and still runs despite derestricting and battery is in good condition ca 95% caoacity so maybe this is the reason? I have no problems. I alas tried Bosh in 2018 and at that time it was larger and much heavier and strange with this small gear on crank. But frankly speaking I'very choosen my bike for ergonomic properties, geometry, tuning possibilitis not for engine. The price was also very important.
@carlos_ribeiro
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the super nice on Bike Vault! You guys rock! Cheers from Brazil!
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
@@chriskros8858 couldn't agree more Chris. A lot of other factors incl the overall component level and bang for the buck is as, if not more important too. More so on ebikes as I have been able to ride harder and faster than on my previous non ebikes. This means that quality suspension and brakes become much more important than before. My first ebike a Scott spark was great but under spec'd in both brakes and suspension. Its replacement is a merida E160 900E and the components they fitted to that model are simply amazing and you can tell when getting into the tougher stuff... I have 6500km on my Shimano e8000 now, also derestricted and never missed a beat once. I do a lot if work on various bike motors and based on my observations have seen more Yamaha failures incl controller and display water ingress issues, some Bosch issues, some Brose failures but only 1 single Shimano e8000 failure and that was after the motor was totally flooded with water....no e7000, 5000 or 6000 failures
@ElectricMountainBiker
3 жыл бұрын
Never made it this week but always another 50 weeks to get it in ⚡ In other news fantastic seeing Jim from Pinned TV getting a sponsorship with Rocky Mountain. I believe there is only himself and Becci Skelton sponsored by Rocky Mountain in UK 👍🏼 Great show as always both 😀
@PinnedTV
3 жыл бұрын
Haha cheers, just us now, Becci has left!
@ElectricMountainBiker
3 жыл бұрын
@@PinnedTV No way, never knew that! Well at least you both are now 👍🏼
@brianthompson1045
3 жыл бұрын
At least he was very honest about the noise and future improvements. Integrity gives the brand more credibility.well done
@marcsee4072
Жыл бұрын
Mine just failed, 10 weeks old some 250km. The assistance turns off after 1st bar and engine sounds horrible. Back to shop.
@jd-cw3sx
3 жыл бұрын
Will you review Kellys e bike?
@JP-bv8su
3 жыл бұрын
No they won't because Kellys isn't a sponsor
@TheFastphill
3 жыл бұрын
I have got one i am going to do a review soon
@CBG_MTB
3 жыл бұрын
Seriusly don't hear the rattle at all on my Bullit, having too much fun to even notice it!
@dit4963
3 жыл бұрын
Consumers like you are one of the reasons why companies bring faulty/unfinished products (not just bikes) on the market. IMO Shimano should be absolutely thrashed by consumers for the faulty product and the lame marketing BS they come afterwards.
@CBG_MTB
3 жыл бұрын
@@dit4963 Have you ridden an EP8 motor?
@dit4963
3 жыл бұрын
@@CBG_MTB yes. I had the bike for 2 weeks and I am strongly considering to return it. Awesome bike, but I cannot stand that rattle.
@CBG_MTB
3 жыл бұрын
@@dit4963 perhaps I've just always been used to abit of noise, sadge you can't work with the bike, hope you find a solution. Personally I don't notice it at all :)
@MTB_FPV
3 жыл бұрын
@@dit4963 A bit harsh, I too have a Bullit with the EP8 motor and not a single rattle from 180km riding.
@MrDaymien1
3 жыл бұрын
One question , why doesn't Shimano offer an EP8 watch with the motor , identical look and dimensions to the display and do away with the bar display. My 8000 is a wicked unit . The Shimano name reputations is second to none . Shimano EP8 Im sure is another brilliant product . EP8 weight savings interests me. EP8 extra toque ? Im happy with the E8000 toque for my trail network ,,but it would be nice I suppose. EP8 custom and fine tune settings ? not really interested , looks more like following other brands and a bit gimmicky I may be completely wrong though it has happened before . E8000 tech is enough tech for me I don't want anymore apps etc etc. I like set and forget , max power and ride . I feel tire pressures, suspension tune and bike set up of grater importance , but thats just me and my preference.
@billmorris9700
3 жыл бұрын
I was disappointed that my new EP8 does not feel any more powerful than my E8000. I'm not able to keep up with friends Brose or RockyMountain. Will there be a software update to harness the 85nm?
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, in what ways does it not keep up? I have an e8000 and would be good for more real world examples like yours to see the differences in range too
@CarkeekW
3 жыл бұрын
The 104 challenge hinted at that very same issue
@billmorris9700
3 жыл бұрын
Most days are spent grinding up the logging road as fast as possible to get as many laps in. EP8 just doesn't have the jam to stay on pace. We're not about saving battery it's all about the down.
@The.JZA.
3 жыл бұрын
I have the EP8 in my Commencal Meta Power SX and the rattling is almost non-existent. I have heard it a couple of times but I mean quite literally a couple of times in the 270km I've ridden on it so far. Maybe it is worse in different frames or depends on the suspension kinematics but it's certainly not an issue on the Meta Power SX.
@jap7856
3 жыл бұрын
What about the Bafang M600 & M500 on the 104 PowerStage.
@jordidiego3391
3 жыл бұрын
This app will be cool with ne motors. Now sure if the fixed the issue but with the first release new version of you can't enable the lights port in a E8000 motor. I had to use ST Unlock to enable it, but keeping it with the original speed limits. With ST unlock you can also fine tune E8000 modes in much more detail than low, med, high, you can set % of assistance and also the torque of each mode.
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
Jordo, you can enable the light but you need to enable it in the settings when connected via shimano etubes app and a pce1 or pce 2 box. Any dealer can do this for you if you don't own a pce box . Once enabled you simply use the display buttons to turn light on or off..
@jordidiego3391
3 жыл бұрын
@@derekharper6031 Thanks! But I just did it with ST unlock, besides that as I said you can fine tune assist with more detail than official app. Also the battery is shown in % in the alternative app.
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
@@jordidiego3391 or you can use the eplus app which works for all firmware versions and allows phone app via Bluetooth to alter settings any time and as many times as you like. Speed, nmt, %assist and power ;)
@XennialGuy
3 жыл бұрын
It's too bad the EP8 is not a direct fit, but I really don't see an advantage of the EP8 anyways. There is relatively cheap software out there that gives you even more customization with the e8000 than Shimano is offering with the EP8. I have found STunlocker to be amazing with fine-tuning the torque and power for each of the settings. It's way more customizable than even Shimano's new eTube, and you can do it right through Bluetooth on your phone.
@mikenimmick3920
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an older video, but I have an EP8 question please. I have a 2021 Husky HC7 bike with the EP8 motor and non-bluetooth display (so I can't adjust motor profiles). My bike has the stock 3 setting...low, mediu, high let's say. My question is this...I run my bike wide open or on the third bar on my display. Full power basically all the time. Will putting the bluetooth display and adjusting the motor setting profile increase my power or give a better profile than I am currently getting with the bike simply at wide open? Or with me being on high setting currently all the time, is the motor at maximum power all the time and the BT display really do nothing for me??? Hoping this makes sense.
@ioannisparaskevopoulos1120
3 жыл бұрын
The improvements on that rattling noise will be carried out on the current EP8 motor during the 2021? Also, it is a fact, the EP8 motor drains the battery way faster compared to the Bosch’s and similar powered systems...any updates there?
@jscott96
Жыл бұрын
Does the EP8 have a built-in power meter that will show rider power on an external unit such as a Garmin?
@stephenkay723
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what all the fuss is regarding the Shimano knocking noise.?!?! I picked up my Merida eOne Sixty 700 with EP8 5 weeks ago and have about 400km on it now. Yes the noise is present but I almost never notice it because I’m too busy riding. As for power, I ride with Bosch CX guys with the 85nm update and my personal observation is that the Bosch motor seems to give more power / assistance at high cadence while the shimano is better at low cadence - so it’s really horses for courses. At the end of each ride we always talk about the best bits of the trail, dissect crashes etc but I can’t remember discussing motors.
@chrisrussell418
3 жыл бұрын
Reading between the lines looks like Shimano rushed the EP8 to market as they were loosing market share to newer more powerful motors. Luckily the custom build Orbea Rise I was looking to order had an estimated delivery of Nov 2021, by which time Shimano will hopefully have lost the EP8 death rattle. I will wait prob order 2022 model if they fix it
@burleigh604
3 жыл бұрын
I thought from previous videos that the EP8 is one if the quietest motors compared to the Bosch
@MarkButterworth13
3 жыл бұрын
One of my friends made a comment that he believes his Bosch motor should not be stored upside down (e.g. when storing in the back of a car). Is this true and does it also count for the Shimano EP8?
@solfest9508
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Shimano, what's up with your ep8 spindles breaking?
@EMTBPodcast
3 жыл бұрын
What a pleasant video
@adammccarthy2157
3 жыл бұрын
Any advice on losing your mojo, I do t have an excuse as I have a Nomad 4 and Commencal Metapower SX but this lockdown has made me disinterested in the sport I've been obsessed by for 20 years
@MrDaymien1
3 жыл бұрын
Yep , get off pink bike and all other woke MTB social media and saturation of youtube MTB related stuff . The total bombardment of youtubers trying to sell you something or send you to there insta page will just do your head in . Just get out and ride the Eeb ,don't talk to people on the trails ignore them. The more selfish you become as a rider the better it is. The sports becoming woke, permission based and feudal.
@smtkelly
3 жыл бұрын
The LSD on my rally car makes a sound like the drive shaft is loose when reversing or low speed. But its a necessary compromise to suit the cars intended purpose.
@CarkeekW
3 жыл бұрын
So i guess you would put up with the loud exhaust noise from the ep8 too
@smtkelly
3 жыл бұрын
@@CarkeekW my point being is when I first got it, I didn't like the noise it feels like something is broken. To the point I had it all checked out. However as mentioned in the video its a characteristic. The trade off between instant engagement/durability vs a decoupled rubber bushing that takes out the harshness. Would I make that compromise on my daily driver no, on my race car thats only really driven in anger yes. I think that is the rub with the EP8 noise, how do perceive your bike; race bred or refined premium product?
@mattx4253
3 жыл бұрын
the LSD on my M2 comp makes no noise at all your LSD is shit
@mattwilkinson3435
2 жыл бұрын
You'd hate the clunky noisy dog box in my Mazda then. 🤣
@S14AA
11 ай бұрын
App needs more options for settings imo
@dylmunro3352
3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the voodoo zobop e as a first emtb
@kinza999
3 жыл бұрын
Will it still come up with E010 and need a new motor should have been the first question. Yes you can use a ep8 instead on a e8000 I've seen it done.
@NWforager
3 жыл бұрын
BBSHD motor FTW 💪🏾
@gavindean
3 жыл бұрын
I think Shimano has really dropped the ball not being able to retrofit the new unit with older models.
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
Whats the ability to swap in a newer Bosch, Brose or Yamaha motor into an older frame??
@michaelackley1560
3 жыл бұрын
When is the ep8 rs going to have useful app? And please do vid on it. Love the rise but rattle and no app for new product come on Shimano get it done!!!
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
Couple of questions for the shimano tech. Can the eco settings be set lower than the factory default setting via the app? Can you buy e8000 motors standalone. The tech said that the cabling is different on ep8. it simply uses the narrower ew-e300 cables but there is an adapter that lets you plug older thicker cable to newer thinner cable :)
@dowroa
3 жыл бұрын
Oh, come on. Quit being apologetic for a terrible design problem with the motor. It rattles and sounds horri ble. If we are going to pay this much for e-bikes, solve OBVIOUS problems and don't explain them away.
@motorcyclesandthings8633
2 жыл бұрын
When did a motor become an engine ?
@DKLVE
3 жыл бұрын
So can send you guys pictures of my DIY MTB ?? Cool....where do I send them to?
@EmandSz
3 жыл бұрын
Good question, rather unanswered, unfortunately..
@barryabr
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to say but this guy did not sell this new Motor. He talked like he didn’t trust the product. Not a good interview for him.
@nickclarkuk
3 жыл бұрын
It’s because he works in tech support , he’s only sees the failures . 😂
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing... his body language wasn't good to be honest
@EmandSz
3 жыл бұрын
@@derekharper6031 because he is a good man, who can not lie;)
@BelviGER
3 жыл бұрын
What has always baffled me with e-bikes is the lack of high powered versions Sure there are a few boutique builder who will build you a 5kw+ bike, but no bigger manufacturer I looked at offers motors that go beyond 1kW Meanwhile my electric longboard motors can produce 8kW, with my battery supplying somehwere around 5kW peak. That with a 48 cell battery. And those numbers aren't anything special in the electric longboard world. I never use the full power, because its still a longboard, but on an ebike you could at least get closer to using those amounts of power, especially on e-mtb. Also ebikes can carry way more cells than I can under my deck, so more power or more range would be no problem at all.
@Grudxx
3 жыл бұрын
Because they are restricted to 250W. Go over thisnominal power and the bike no longer is road legal
@SylvainLasnier
3 жыл бұрын
As this overpowered longboard I guess
@BelviGER
3 жыл бұрын
@@Grudxx of course, and because of that I would expect the majority of motors to be on the 250-600w range, but the complete lack of Halo/offroad products is kinda baffling. In theory my board has the same laws governing it as the bikes do, come to think of it
@ozPanzer
3 жыл бұрын
Do you want a e Mountain bike or dirt bike??
@veetwinboy1
3 жыл бұрын
Never have made it into the bike vault 😟😟
@mattx4253
3 жыл бұрын
Again its underpowered versus its competition and rattles like a cheap halfords bike. The E8000 wasnt even in the top 3 motors and the Ep8 doesnt really change that imo. At least they have better batteries now and the app isnt horrid like before
@SylvainLasnier
3 жыл бұрын
Sade to learn than if my e8000 die, I will not able to upgrade to ep8
@G3LDY
3 жыл бұрын
He said it like you can but they don’t want you to
@chriskros8858
3 жыл бұрын
You know if my e8000 will die some day than I will adapt Bafang 500W and 1000Wh or more battery. I like my Scott E Genius very much and do not accept restricted bikes to 25kph.
@SylvainLasnier
3 жыл бұрын
@@chriskros8858 if you are looking for more power and more weight, just buy a small motorbike. It will be probably more fun for you than a unbalanced Chinese DIY bike
@chriskros8858
3 жыл бұрын
@@SylvainLasnier Are you joking? Motorbike for MTB riding?
@lesjayco7785
3 жыл бұрын
A technical support person that refers to a motor as an engine has me worried
@umbrellaman2501
3 жыл бұрын
yeah every time he said engine I said motor
@redtobertshateshandles
3 жыл бұрын
It converts energy into motion. Engine, motor, who gives a crap.
@christopherbrown6565
2 жыл бұрын
Words have multiple meanings. Even words like pedantic.
@dylmunro3352
3 жыл бұрын
Load of my friends think that shimano e motors are bad and I was looking at a voodoo zobop which has a shimano motor so what do you think
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
Interested to hear what your friends don't like about the Shimano motors and which motors?
@dylmunro3352
3 жыл бұрын
@@derekharper6031 my friends just say that all shimano motors are bad and i don't know why but the bike i am looking at has a shimano steps Central motor
@derekharper6031
3 жыл бұрын
@@dylmunro3352 mmm but bad based on what?? Some people just say something is bad because they dislike a brand...with no actual facts or info that they base it on.. they must have reasons to base their opinion on otherwise I would ignore their opinions.. based on my knowledge of having a Shimano e8000 motor and many other people I know who have a mixture of e7000, e8000 and e6000 based motors they all rate them very highly for the usage they make of them.
@dylmunro3352
3 жыл бұрын
@@derekharper6031 ok thanks for the advice
@wesleyseymour8857
3 жыл бұрын
There good when they work and bad when they don't work. But the biggest problem is they are not repairable and shimano dont sell spare parts.yeah have to get a full motor if something goes wrong.
@deftrover
3 жыл бұрын
👍
@darrenwall5439
3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about that rattle it's only the motor.. just tune out.. hhhmmmm... Shimano add..
@ssse3123
3 жыл бұрын
Vertical photos should not even get a "nice"....
@texasgold007
3 жыл бұрын
I've got the e8000 only 4 months old and just got the e010 code, taken to the shop and the motor is apparently stuffed. Incredibly disappointed in shimano and after doing a bit of research I've found it to be a common fault. Will never get another e bike with a shimano motor.
@wesleyseymour8857
3 жыл бұрын
They are not even serviceable which is ridiculous. My next bike will definitely not have a shimano motor on it. A emtb that is used regularly in the winter needs to be able to be serviced. This shite of buying a new motor is pure greed.
@redtobertshateshandles
3 жыл бұрын
Four months you would get warranty. This is b.s or bike abused.
@PaulHoweCarlisle
3 жыл бұрын
Engine!?
@redtobertshateshandles
3 жыл бұрын
When my E8000 shits itself and can't be fixed it will go in the garage and I will buy a new EP8 powered bike.
@brianthompson1045
3 жыл бұрын
Come on! There wasn’t any mud on the down tube! Can’t be a super nice! Fake mud riding!haha
@robertwood4665
3 жыл бұрын
The guys a Muppet he's only say what he's allowed to
@stevenrees6015
3 жыл бұрын
So I hate when people start every sentence with "so"😡
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