Hooray!! Iron Duke My grandfather served on the gunnery of the Iron Duke at Jutland (aged 16). Glad to hear praise about the gunnery accuracy...well done granddad!
@ErokCherokee
4 жыл бұрын
The British navy practiced far more in rough seas while the USN did in calm seas so it took a while for the USN in WW1 to adapt
@jakemillar649
3 жыл бұрын
@@ErokCherokee Yeah the USN did practice in the nice warm calm tropics.
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
sorry to say but with it`s hit rate of 1.5% a german gunnery officer wouldhave to re paint his ship all alone
@crusadingtemplar
Жыл бұрын
I love how the intro sounded like a gentle reprimand from a college tutor who was ever so slightly disappointed with the maturity levels displayed during a lecture
@SimpleKeep
6 жыл бұрын
Wow! 6 Five minute guides in one episode! Incredible value!
@biscuitninja
4 жыл бұрын
Love this! But really you dont want an equal fight.... *Cough Johnston and S.B.Roberts*
@bobsampleton1271
3 жыл бұрын
If you're in a fair fight, you're doing something wrong.
@noserman1226
3 жыл бұрын
When are we gonna get another ship vs ship vid drach?
@joearnold6881
3 жыл бұрын
I like to ship Drach with Othais from C&Rsenal
@nevbexon4596
3 жыл бұрын
@@joearnold6881 so
@tommullen9821
2 жыл бұрын
Please !!!!
@montecorbit8280
2 жыл бұрын
I must concur, when are we going to get a second one??
@cantpassthebar
Жыл бұрын
More ship VS ship!
@bskorupk
6 жыл бұрын
18:11 - 18:23 I never thought I'd see a Crimean War (1853 - 1856) joke! :)
@captaindusty4884
6 жыл бұрын
Zara Class vs Algerie class heavy cruisers Atago vs New Orleans class heavy cruisers Le Fantasque Class vs Capitani Romani Class destroyer/flotilla leaders Shimakaze vs Gearing vs Daring class late war destroyers Roma vs KGV class Battleships
@sturlajonsson9515
6 жыл бұрын
But atago was not built was it. Exept for the new Atago class ships built by japan
@captaindusty4884
6 жыл бұрын
@@sturlajonsson9515 you might want to check again chief
@RainbowDevourer
5 жыл бұрын
The important part is that the Triglav will defeat all of them hands down, isn't that right Vice Admiral Dusty?
@republique4248
5 жыл бұрын
Sturla Jónsson Atago was built and she was part of the Takao class
@felix25ize
4 жыл бұрын
Reality and World of Warships are quite different things.
@markusz4447
5 жыл бұрын
I would be very much interested in how the Austrian WW1 Battleships would have faired against Italian ones on 1 vs 1... I once read/heard that their navy was actually not so bad for what it was intended to do
@bobsampleton1271
3 жыл бұрын
How about a Fletcher class DD vs. the Yamato. Oh wait, we already know how that went.
@FS2K4Pilot
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Yamato lost.
@emjackson2289
Жыл бұрын
How about a CVE vs an IJN battleship?
@kostakatsoulis2922
Жыл бұрын
@@FS2K4Pilot i mean technically she won, Yamato sunk Johnston... she just retreated afterwards.
@FS2K4Pilot
Жыл бұрын
@@kostakatsoulis2922 Yes, in the immortal words of Drach in Drydock 044, Yamato “basically ended up giving up and running away right at the point of victory. That’s pretty inept!”
@ctrl1961
6 жыл бұрын
Enjoying these videos. How about the Hood after proposed rebuild vs Bismarck?
@michiganfarmer69
5 жыл бұрын
Plunging fire
@felix25ize
5 жыл бұрын
@@michiganfarmer69 If the Hood did have a rebuilt and thickened armour deck as formerly proposed, the chances would certainly have been more equal. Right that the Bismarck was not docked and then defenceless as were the french ships in Mers-el-Kébir ...
@michelangelobuonarroti4958
5 жыл бұрын
The Bismarck is still going to win. It's too heavy I guess.
@accidentalmanager1659
4 жыл бұрын
Hood exploding slightly later ... lets say after 5 hits?
@nikomoin7604
4 жыл бұрын
Same outcome
@jamesmasonaltair1062
4 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel, sir, I have never known someone with more knowledge of naval history and ship design than you. You could easily teach at the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis. My heart bleeds Army, but I love naval history and am a firm believer in combined arms theory. I also enjoy your sense of humor. In one video you were discussing French (interwar years or floating hotels maybe?) battleships and you said they added four torpedo tubes because, well they could. Lol! If I might be permitted, I would like to request a video. Could you please do a video about the victories versus the greatest odds, the most epic last stands, and the valiant sacrificing of a ship for the mission or fellow sailors and ships. Perhaps a top ten type video? I would be very obliged, sir. Thank you, sir!
@ironmantooltime
2 жыл бұрын
#1 USS Johnston 😎
@Chironex_Fleckeri
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem's autogenerated subtitles: "Sean Horse"
@howardphilipwoodcraft3756
4 жыл бұрын
youtube's autogenerated subtitles always crack me up. what a waste of microchips!
@_tertle3892
3 жыл бұрын
Oh come on you can tell what heals talking about still
@UNSCrearadmiral
2 жыл бұрын
Discovered in Jan 2022, after watching the channel for last 2 years... I want another
@malcolmheather3204
6 жыл бұрын
Hi Drachinifel, this was yet another great video. Thank you so much for your research and presentations. Regards, Greybearddad
@paulwallis7586
4 жыл бұрын
Washington's gunnery at Guadalcanal was phenomenal. Ripped Kirishima to shreds, at night,. The admiral commanding was a radar gunnery expert, which would be a major advantage.
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
It is veeery difficult nearly impossible to sink a british designed ( and build) Battlecruiser. remember no british Battlecruiser ever was sunk by 16" guns!!
@vikkimcdonough6153
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the "too close to call" assessment doesn't take into account the human aimbot known as Admiral Lee.
@skywise001
4 жыл бұрын
Golden BB. I love this phrase. Every time I listen to you I learn something :D
@glenmcgillivray4707
5 жыл бұрын
...... HMS New Zealand (the ship that never got hit) vrx HMAS Australia (the badly tempered Australian sister) Taking into account the actual performance of their contempory crews. Maori warclothes and lucky Necklace ignored (because Australia cannot hit a ship with that much luck)
@TinBane
4 жыл бұрын
Glen McGillivray but the battle takes place while both are being bombarded by kamikaze, so Aus wins? ;P
@Fiddling_while_Rome_burns
6 жыл бұрын
How about a Washington Naval treaty (Ish) matchup? King George V vs Richeleui vs Vittorio Veneto vs South Dakota.....
@ARSENALFCjosh
5 жыл бұрын
Fair to say the SoDak wins by a margin. North Carolina would be a more appropriate comparison.
@CountArtha
5 жыл бұрын
How about Queen Elizabeth vs Colorado vs Nagato? State of the art in 1922 when the Treaty was signed.
@Ushio01
5 жыл бұрын
+CountArtha QE was before WW1 it's an older class than the 3 classes of 12 14inch gun US ships so Hood or Nelson would be more fair.
@felix25ize
5 жыл бұрын
+ Mephistopheles : Richelieu wins . I would like Richelieu vs Bismarck and Strasbourg vs Scharhorst .
@polygondwanaland8390
5 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly convinced that if battleship construction had continued into the 1950s, Richie/Nelson/Dunkirk style "all forward armament" would have become the norm.
@RussBeatle63
6 жыл бұрын
Geez Drach just when I thought you couldn't top yourself, you did! another great video and discussions. intermediate dreadnought matchups:Lord Nelson vs Schlesien .... New Hampshire vs Slava....Radetzky vs Regina Elena ... Tsukuba vs Verite. Thanks again Drach!
@norbertblackrain2379
6 жыл бұрын
I like the idea to split this kind of topic up in a different "stream". I like also the discussion of the topic you did.
@juri8723
6 жыл бұрын
Hipper is always outclassed :(
@CSSVirginia
6 жыл бұрын
The Admiral Hipster never was mainstream.
@Drachinifel
6 жыл бұрын
Hipper suffers from being basically a "first try" at a treaty era heavy cruiser Vs it's contemporaries who benefitted from a continuous design cycle. If you compared them to other 'first tries' like the Pensacola class or the Aoba/Myoko's the comparison is a lot more favourable
@RelativeGalaxy7
6 жыл бұрын
The Germans never tried for a "treaty" cruiser with Hipper, they knew they were going over the tonnage limit and went all the way. They did a better job following the 10,000 ton standard rule with the Deutschlands. Problem with the Hipper's is that you have to compare them to cruisers decades their senior, which is pretty sad design wise. Also doesn't help German AP shells and boilers were notoriously unreliable, doesn't make for a great ship.
@Drachinifel
6 жыл бұрын
@@RelativeGalaxy7 the Germans initially claimed at least on paper that the Hippers adhered to the 10k ton displacement limit :p
@RelativeGalaxy7
6 жыл бұрын
the Germans also claimed Bismarck was treaty compliant by listing a completely fake draft ;)
@jfangm
4 жыл бұрын
Minor point of fact: the NC's main batteries were in three-gun turrets, not triple turrets, as each gun could be elevated and fired independently, whereas in a triple, elevation and firing were simultaneous.
@kuhluhOG
6 жыл бұрын
How about a a fight of a Bayern-class against a Queen Elizabeth-class in ww1 configuration?
@rkelsey3341
3 жыл бұрын
Can you give us an answer to the long standing question, "What do you do with a drunken sailor?" Early in the morning would be a good start, but any time of day would be fine.
@robertphillips9017
2 жыл бұрын
I slways heard the refrain “throw him in a bunk with the captains daughter< early in the morning”. YMMV
@hmshood9212
6 жыл бұрын
HMS Vanguard vs USS Iowa? As they would appear in 1946.
@thatontariofarmer
5 жыл бұрын
Dio Brando Iowa would have the range advantage. 16” vs 15” guns. She’d also have 9 guns to Vanguards 8. However vanguard was more heavily armoured and had state of the art fire direction and radars. At a medium range engagement I’d say vanguard would win. As her guns were big enough to penetrate the majority of Iowa’s armour, yet being able to withstand considerable damage herself thanks to her armour and the excellent British damage control system. Though Iowa could in theory run away as she was a couple knots faster I believe.
@ravenwing199
5 жыл бұрын
@@thatontariofarmer American FCR and FCS is inarguably Superior in 1946. Also Vanguard would struggle to resist later Mark8 AP shells.
@jamesricker3997
5 жыл бұрын
Iowa, The Iowa's armor scheme was a generation ahead of vanguard's and her guns were two generations ahead. Vanguard's guns for World War 1 leftovers
@Ushio01
5 жыл бұрын
+James Ricker irrelevant they where modified with new shells.
@ravenwing199
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ushio01 Not so much new shells as new charges.
@boydgrandy5769
Жыл бұрын
If Washington had the level of gunnery competence insisted on by Admiral Willis "Ching" Lee, she would have taken Tirpitz or Bismarck apart in short order, a la Kirishima at Guadalcanal in November 1942. "This is Admiral Lee. Get out of the way, I'm coming through!"
@yousefseed1874
4 жыл бұрын
5:37 "Therefore the battle in these two ships in open ocean is very likely to go the North Carolina's way simply because it can hold the range and just pummel away the Nagato-" Nagato: *laughs in Big Seven - Sakura*
@animal16365
5 жыл бұрын
Like to see the HMS Dreadnought vs USS South Carolina
@CountArtha
5 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@jamesmckenzie9551
5 жыл бұрын
South Carolina has the better armament layout and the better observation (Dreadnought has the crows nest behind the funnel!), but the Dreadnought has the superior fire control system, far superior propulsion system allowing her to pick her fights, and if you take crew into account, the Dreadnought wins every time as they trained for actual combat whilst the US crews only trained for perfect conditions.
@Ushio01
5 жыл бұрын
+James McKenzie Armament layout just means the SC has the same broadside as Dreadnought.
@HaydenLau.
5 жыл бұрын
Dreadnought easily
@williamoleschoolarendt7016
4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! My father was a WW2 Navy man who taught the Seebees how to fight! The movie the fighting Seebees with John Wayne my father was in those battles and a few others! It was extremely hard to get him to talk about the war but when he did it was usually to correct history in a WW2 movie when there was a part that was wrong in his eyes! So I remember the things we did talk about and when I listen to your videos it brings back memories of my time discussing WW2 with my father! We went to see the USS Alabama and the USS Drum and I remember his face lighting up when he talked about the ships! I have photos that he took in his time in the Navy and it's crazy the things soldiers went through in WW2! Anyway keep up the good work bro really love the videos!!!
@nathanokun8801
3 жыл бұрын
French ALGERIE SAP shells will work perfectly against HIPPER due to no face-hardened (Krupp post-1936 KC n/A) on the German ship. ALGERIE has some Schneider et Cie., Creusot, face-hardened armor, but the German APC will be able to penetrate that due to its hard AP cap. Thus, your statement that the French shells give more "bang for the buck" is quite correct since a hard AP cap is not needed and the thinner German homogeneous, ductile (Krupp Wh) armor can be penetrated quite well by large-filler SAP ammo. Face-hardened armor has two advantages when hit at close-to-right-angles impact: It can shatter the nose of uncapped shells and thus significantly increase their needed striking velocity to punch through and, in many cases, even if the cap works and prevents this, at impacts with some oblique angle where the shell is slowed considerably by the armor, the hard face can severely damage the projectile as it tries to pass through the plate, making the shell act more like broken solid shot with much lower damage-causing capability. To do similar projectile damage with homogeneous, ductile armor takes a much thicker plate, on the average, at any given oblique impact angle.
@bobbyleverton1924
4 жыл бұрын
Love this channel! What you can never account for in these discussions/comparisons is lady luck. Fantastic research and knowledge though!
@GlorfindelofGondolin
6 жыл бұрын
Great video, I have an idea for an engagement. It’s kind of a lol and unusual one. USS Drum vs. U-505
@johnduchesneau8685
6 жыл бұрын
How about a surface engagement with the WWII Nautilus against the French mega submarine Surcouf?
@felix25ize
5 жыл бұрын
@@johnduchesneau8685 Emerged, the 203 mm guns of the Surcouf would have quickly destroyed the Nautilus. And under the water, both would have been unable to detect the other one, and even more to fight her .
@mikeklaene4359
5 жыл бұрын
The primary key is being able to have fire control that is both accurate and sufficiently rapid. My thinking is that a ship that is less capable on paper but with a well trained / disciplined crew has a better than even chance against a less capable crew. Hits from even lighter guns can make a big difference.
@WALTERBROADDUS
6 жыл бұрын
You realize your now going to face a sea of Coke vs Pepsi and Blonde vs. Brunette ship questions? 🙄 Good luck.
@TheLesserWeevil
5 жыл бұрын
You called it.
@benbaselet2026
5 жыл бұрын
I'll pass the sugar water and do the blonde&brunette together.
@egocyclic
5 жыл бұрын
...so we're just gonna ignore Dr Pepper and Redheads?
@someGuy-os3kg
5 жыл бұрын
Fanta and black hair anyone 🤔
@xgford94
5 жыл бұрын
egocyclic no that’s just scary....very scary 🤯👩🏻🦰
@winlee1363
3 жыл бұрын
If you thought the Admiral Hipper 8in ap shell's bursting charge of 2.3 kg was pathetic check out the the 8 in ap shells of the Northampton class, it's a measly 1.7 kg bursting charge😅
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
hey, they had to compare until a american or british ship wins!!
@pm71241
6 жыл бұрын
Kinda fun, comparing the verdicts here to the "World in Flames" Collectors Edition counter sheets. Like, say - Washington vs. Tirpitz are almost rated the same.
@PaulfromChicago
6 жыл бұрын
HMS Trafalgar predreadnought vs Ugg's Floaty Log vs the USA 2016 Olympic Women's Water Polo Team on a dark and stormy night in the Bay of Biscay.
@johnking1381
4 жыл бұрын
Ooooh, can we have Kamchatka versus admiral jellybean in a steel bathtub with a slingshot?
@coladirienzo3655
6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the excellent content!
@timclaus8313
3 жыл бұрын
You brought out the accurate gunnery of the Iron Duke, so in fairness you could have mentioned that in actual combat, the Washington fired very fast and very accurate. In something like a 12 minute battle with Kirishima, the Washington had 10 16" hits and 40 5" hits, pretty much tearing the Kirishima apart. While there Tirpitz was a lot tougher, the lighter shells of the Rodney and KG V rendered the Bismarck a mission kill in short order. Unless Tirpitz got real lucky, real fast, I would expect the Washington would knock most of the fire control systems out very quickly. At Savo Island, the Washington did exactly that to the Kirishama, with the 10 x 5" guns concentrating on the superstructure.
@tommatt2ski
2 жыл бұрын
Bismarck sank Hood in under 5 minutes and less than 10 salvoes, then proceeded to hit Prince of Wales three or four times AND at a far greater range that the Washington, so I suspect Washington would have her hands full with Tirpitz, , though I don't think Washington had the speed to either catch the Tirpitz or to engage him ( yes, HIM !) in a running gun fight. One on one, Tirpitz either would just go flank speed and evade or use the highly efficient optical fire control for their main batteries to drive off the Washington, or disable / sink it if forced to fight.
@timclaus8313
2 жыл бұрын
@@tommatt2ski Birsmarck and Tirpitz were only about 2 kts faster at best. And if the range opens, Washington gains more advantage with radar guidance. The same system allowed West Virginia to hit Yamashiro with at leas one round per salvo at over 20,000 yards, at night. And less be real, no WWI ship had armor schemes as good as WWII ships.
@tommatt2ski
Жыл бұрын
@@timclaus8313 A ship that takes 400 plus hits from battleship guns, their secondaries, heavy cruisers guns and secondaries, destroyers shells, PLUS a minimum of 8 torpedoes, likely more and taking more time than Titanic to sink... what MORE do want the armor to do, PS - two knots is two knots faster than Washington. Bismarck and / or Tirpitz can engage or disengage at WILL! No modern US battleship in WWII after Pearl Harbor took punishment even near what Bismarck and Tirpitz (not one, not two BUT THREE Tall Boy Bombs what would have happened to either Washington or Iowa suffered the same punishment as Bismarck and Tirpitz respectively ??? Just because an armor scheme is an older design does NOT mean it is inferior or obsolete!
@timclaus8313
Жыл бұрын
@@tommatt2ski Bismarck's problem was that critical control circuits were above the armor protection. Plus the central fire control system was knocked out. Bismarck had at least two, if not more, barbettes fully penetrated by large caliber shells. This does not mean Bismarck was bad, it just means it was not the mythical ship often portrayed. With the exceptions of a couple of battlecruisers at Jutland, and a true Golden BB shot below the main side armor on Hood by Bismarck, few battleships went down without plenty of torpedo and bomb hits. And a relatively deep running torpedo has a better chance to breach the critical hull structure if it can hit below the main armor belt. I am not sure any battleship from any navy could survive the battering that Bismarck, Yamato or Musashi took while underway. I am also fairly confident that any of the new battleships in the respective fleets, such as the Littorios, Richelieu's KGVs, North Carolinas, South Dakotas or Iowas would have held up just as well as Bismarck did. No battleship, including Yamato, would have handled 4 or 5 long lance hits in the center body of the hull. One of those blew the entire bow off several heavy cruisers.
@timclaus8313
Жыл бұрын
@@tommatt2ski Bismarck wa a well built ship. Keep in mind that the UK, US and German torpedos were nothing special, nothing like the long lance of Japan. I would say Yamato, Musashi, Yamashiro and Fuso all took a tremendous amount of punishment before sinking. Same with Kirisihima and Hiei. 2 knots is about 2.4 miles in 60 minutes. Still well within accurate gun range for any fast battleship, though it does increase the dispersement a bit. And no ship in a battle is going in a straight line, so that negates some of the flat out speed difference. Plus 4 blade ships are going to out accelerate 3 blade ships while zig zagging.
@MagnusVictor2015
6 жыл бұрын
(Non-serious suggestion, feel free to ignore) "Iowa versus Yams! Iowa versus Yams! Everybody-wants-to-see-this-hap-pen! Iowa versus Yams! Iowa versus Yams!"
@johnduchesneau8685
6 жыл бұрын
It would be the best fight since Ali - Frasier!
@austinduong-van6071
4 жыл бұрын
is this a Jerma985 reference
@kensummerlin180
4 жыл бұрын
I went to The Show Girl today. Awesome, beautiful ship. Go Heels.
@merafirewing6591
5 жыл бұрын
A-150 japanese battleship vs H-44 German battleship.
@greener2497
4 жыл бұрын
A-150 is somewhat of an improved yamato but H-44 is just straight up a fictional impractical ship lol
@justinebautista1383
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely the H-44
@victoriacyunczyk
4 жыл бұрын
What would a Jutland-style clash of the fleets look like in mid-1942, with the following conditions?: UK, USA, USSR, plus French battleships Richelieu and Jean Bart vs. Germany, Italy, and Japan Bismarck still exists Discounting other events, a hypothetical battle with the full capital ship strength of each side No carriers involved
@space__idklmao
4 жыл бұрын
18-inch gunned H-39 with a 2 inch reduction in armor belt vs the Montana class!
@Hemimike426
5 жыл бұрын
We needed Incomparable vs H43/44 vs Yamato.
@k956upg
4 жыл бұрын
I think this vs type episode was well worth doing again with other ships...good fun
@wun1gee
5 жыл бұрын
Iowa and New Jersey straddled Nowaki at 35,000-39,000 yards several times with straddles close enough to cause splinter damage and casualties onboard. And that was a destroyer.
@BRICK8492
5 жыл бұрын
Please do more of these videos!
@ChizAfterHours
3 жыл бұрын
Loved this line up! Definitely some interesting duels. I would say however, that Vanguard and Scharnhorst may not be as quick and easy. You have to bear in mind that though Duke Of York landed substantial hits, the Scharnhorst was "blind in one eye" due to Sheffield's hit to her main radar. Plus, in the end, Scharnhorst's death came from + - 13 Torpedo hits and scuttling. Though the Scharnhorst is certainly not well equipped to face heavy units, in a 1v1 scenario I think it would be far more potent provided it enters the fight in proper order.
@Curmudgeon2
9 ай бұрын
I thought I remembered Texas having the first fire control computer on a battleship and in fact did very, very well in gunnery when it joined Home Fleet.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
6 жыл бұрын
Modernised G3 vs Lion class.
@juri8723
6 жыл бұрын
North Carolina vs Nagato is not even fair...
@ambasutori9053
6 жыл бұрын
It's literally the same problem as with Japanese tanks. Comparing 1920/30 Designs with one's from 1940.
@josynaemikohler6572
6 жыл бұрын
Well, at least the 1920 designs at least usually had enough firepower to really hurt enemy ships. 406+ mm guns designed during the twenties, especially with modern shells still hurt greatly. Most problems of older battleships, the american ships in particular, was the lack of speed. Especially since unlike firecontrol, deck armor and anti air armament, that was something, that could not particulary well be altered. To go with an 37mm gun however against a KV tank was laughable. Or even some of the heavier armored tanks of the same time. The Char B1 bis and S 35s were pretty much immun against their own armament (and common anti tank weapons of other nations). It kind of fell apart however due to the fact, that they were ridiculously fuel inefficient, combined with incompetent leadership, and the notorious 1-Man turret.
@wrayday7149
5 жыл бұрын
Martin Baumgartner well, that’s literally Japan’s fault. Had they not attacked Pearl Harbor, the U.S. fleet would of never been salvaged, retrofitted and upgraded... meaning it would be more likely the IJN would of squared off against weaker U.S. ships in deep water where they couldn’t be salvaged and saved... as well as lessons learned about the need of aaa.
@kyle433
5 жыл бұрын
Wray Day well the Iowa Class battleships were already in various states of building, so the US was already modernizing it’s navy at that point in yime
@wrayday7149
5 жыл бұрын
xjm212x25 yes they were, but slowly and painfully. Pearl Harbor opened the taps to the War Dept to now build whatever they wanted and too hell with costs. Where the Navy had to plead and beg for modernization funds, now congress said get that done yesterday, it’s a national priority.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
6 жыл бұрын
Cold war modernised Iowa vs a plausible (if unlikely) cold War modernised KGV vs a plausible cold war modernised Stalingrad class.
@WALTERBROADDUS
6 жыл бұрын
Actually the better matchup is the Iowa class versus the Soviet Kirov class. That is what they were brought back in service and upgraded to be a match for.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
6 жыл бұрын
WALTERBROADDUS. Yeah, but that would be a fucking wash there is no way the Iowa is gonna beet the Kirov that out ranges it by 5 times.
@WALTERBROADDUS
6 жыл бұрын
@@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan First, it does not have 5 times the range. The Iowa had anti ship UGM-109b Tomahawks or the optional nuclear. The Kirov's only have 20 anti ship missles. And the Iowa's are armored to fight other BB's. Even if the missle defenses fail, it can take the hits and still hit back. Also, extended range ammo then in development would have boost the gun range to 100 miles. It is fair fight match then and now.
@Solrac-Siul
6 жыл бұрын
Just to further what WALTERBROADDUS mentions, because no one had built armored ships for more than 30 years, no ASM in use by the soviets or any one else to be honest had armor piercing capabilities and because of that the russians believed that their kirovs or any of their surface ships had no chance and the iowas had to be destroyed by aerial attack or torpedoes- Sergei Gorshkov memories have a interesting story about it.
@warrentb1
5 жыл бұрын
@@Solrac-Siul Wouldn't Soviet ASMs be nuclear if launched against a US warship? Armor won't help you much with that unless it detonates very far away.
@ecpgieicg
4 жыл бұрын
5:57 To hold the distance, that either assumes the Nagato crew is unaware of the armor situation -- which is not the premise of the discussion -- or North Carolina would be rear-facing Nagato's front. That would be a significantly different match-up compared to broadside on at 20k yards.
@randallturner9094
Жыл бұрын
Nope. (And frankly Drach’s analysis is terrible, because…) Doesn’t take into account fire control. US Mark 38 fire directors provided continuous solution updates, meaning NC can maneuver and fire simultaneously. It can turn and fire all turrets, turn back thru 90 degrees and fire again, then back to the other side ad nauseum. NC has an angular turn rate of about 90 degrees per minute. It would probably want to zig every three-four minutes. Bottom line though is US battleship fire control is so much better it’s not close anyway.
@josynaemikohler6572
6 жыл бұрын
Bayern vs Revenge vs Pennsylvania vs Fuso. (All in their 1916 configuration).
@Metal_Auditor
5 жыл бұрын
Alaska vs. Scharnhorst? Baltimore vs. Deutschland? If the latter wins, how about Des Moines vs. Deutschland? Admiral Hipper vs. Tone? New Mexico vs. Bayern? And for something a bit crazy, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what would have happened if Vice Admiral Mitscher had not taken the initiative to attack the Yamato with planes, and instead let Rear Admiral Deyo proceed with his force of three dreadnought (Arkansas, New York, and Texas) and seven super-dreadnought (Maryland, Colorado, Tennessee, Nevada, Idaho, West Virginia, and New Mexico) battleships to attempt to intercept the Yamato.
@sailingmaster
6 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how effective the N3 might've been with a deck layout similar to Nelson.
@csours
5 жыл бұрын
Mr Rogers vs Everyone
@chrisangus7078
6 жыл бұрын
The question I would like to know some ship crews were a step above the rest which ship were the best handled and best shots and why.
@wrongtracksuit
3 жыл бұрын
How about a fight between Drachinifel and the Mighty Jingles?
@danmontie6367
4 жыл бұрын
Two ships with allegedly similar arrangements - Scharnhorst versus Alaska?
@dallascreeper
6 жыл бұрын
Alaska Class vs Scarnhorst Class?
@josephlongbone4255
3 жыл бұрын
Floaty log Vs Bismarck, let's goooooooo!
@valdorhightower
2 жыл бұрын
Another really interesting video, well reasoned.
@WorshipinIdols
4 жыл бұрын
King George V + Renown. vs. Tirpitz + Gneisenau
@timclaus8313
3 жыл бұрын
Also would be interesting to see a comparison between the West Virginia and the Nagato, covering both the original configuration and after their respective rebuilds and upgrading. Nagato in the 30s and the West Virginia post Pearl Harbor. Excluding the new battleships, these two were the most powerful veteran battleships in the Pacific. Adding the legendary Warspite for a British flavor would be cool too, as after refits in the 30s, the three upgraded QEs were the best WW I era RN battleships. To my way of thinking, no other navy had a WW I era ship equal before the war to these three, and certainly not after in-war upgrades that were accomplished.
@stephenknowles1420
6 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel! This is very perfect! I have always thought of the Richelieu vs. the Bismarck. My assumption is that this battle would be down to the sea were it would happen. In open sea with plenty of room to maneuver the advantage may fall to the French, while in a more constricted sea lane, the Germans may have the edge. Your thoughts?
@michaelkovacic2608
2 жыл бұрын
It would be very interesting to see this in a wargame. I think it will largely come down to battle instructions, since both Germans and British had orders to close as fast as possible to around 15km. Don't know about the French, and this might be the single most critical factor, since they can keep the range open if they wish to do so. Still, I do believe Bismarck holds the general advantage due to her proven accuracy, whereas Richelieu had horrible dispersion problems that were only corrected postwar. Bismarck will reliably hit her target at any range, so my money is on her.
@ftffighter
2 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if you did more of these!
@Ron52G
6 жыл бұрын
American FC systems employed by far the most advanced stable vertical elements in the world. In practical terms, this meant that American vessels could keep a solution on a target even when performing radical maneuvers. In 1945 test, an American battleship (the North Carolina) was able to maintain a constant solution even when performing back to back high-speed 450-degree turns, followed by back-to-back 100-degree turns.7 This was a much better performance than other contemporary systems, and gave U.S. battleships a major tactical advantage, in that they could both shoot and maneuver, whereas their opponents could only do one or the other.
@54356776
5 жыл бұрын
British systems...
@Ron52G
5 жыл бұрын
@@54356776 Then why didn't the British use the US system? www.combinedfleet.com/b_fire.htm
@wrayday7149
5 жыл бұрын
Ron52G pride? I don’t see the British Admiralty accepting any U.S. advancements on their ships, as that would mean British ships were lacking. I wonder how many more troops would of survived ww2 if pride wasn’t an issue... e.g. 8th Army daylight bombing campaign.
@Ron52G
5 жыл бұрын
@@wrayday7149 How many men of the British Common Wealth got killed charging German machine guns in just one day during WW1
@Ron52G
5 жыл бұрын
@@wrayday7149 The Brits had 60,000 casualties of those 20,000 dead in just one day of battle in WW1. I guess the US 8th Army Air Force did ok
@kreol1q1q
6 жыл бұрын
Richelieu vs Littorio?
@lordbrain8867
5 жыл бұрын
Definitely Richelieu by virtue of its shells being consistent alone. Forgetting that they are pretty evenly matched
@TheAngelobarker
5 жыл бұрын
@@lordbrain8867 the Richelieu had it's own issues with turrets etc you dan either take all flaws into account or niether.
@lordbrain8867
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAngelobarker despite it's shortcomings, it still was fairly accurate. The Littorio's shells were horribly manufactured with no consistency. British ships reported 15' shells flying far over or far short of their ships
@TheAngelobarker
5 жыл бұрын
@@lordbrain8867 the first time it tried to engage anything a shell blew up in the gun turret....
@TheAngelobarker
5 жыл бұрын
@@lordbrain8867 not to mention when it did engage anything the shells were no more accurate than the littorios due to the gun mountings shaking when they fired. The us fleet had no promblem with the french battleships quad turrets they barely ever hit anything. At least the littorios gutted a few cruisers.
@ScarletEdge
4 жыл бұрын
I think in ship vs ship situation, above specifications there is crew skill and captain skill. Also any of these two can just score very lucky hit killing captain and most important crew, rendering even better ship useless.
@cullenosbourn3304
2 жыл бұрын
Hi there Drachnifel I just finished up your three part series on the Battle of Jutland . I found it VERY interesting . Your telling of the Battle of Jutland was rivoting . I think that Admiral Jellicoe and Admiral Scheer were both brilliant strategists. They made some boldest moves and sometimes not actually some of the best . But I was not happy that when you mentioned that Admiral Beaty just broke off contact with Jellicoe and did his own thing . Do you think that doing so put those sailors blood on his hands ? When they got back to England they should have had some kind of inquiry . In my opinion . Because someone should have had to answer to all the loss of lives and the loss of all that shipping . But all in all it kept me spellbound . Sir I commend you on that series . The eyewitness accounts and how it was laid out you sir are a brilliant historian . Thank you . Too bad Hipper ,Scheer , Jellicoe and Beaty couldn’t have went for a beer after the outcome of Jutland and discussed their strategies . Thank you again fo tor telling the greatest sea battle of all time . It sir was definitely the Clash of the Titans .
@andrewhammel5714
4 жыл бұрын
The USS Lexington, if it had been completed as a battle cruiser instead of as an aircraft carrier. Pitted against any actual battle ship or battle cruiser of WWII of your choice!
@davidharner5865
2 жыл бұрын
Any battleANYTHING would punch through Lady Lex' armour like cheap, wet TP.
@Boxghost102
4 жыл бұрын
Colorado Vs Nagato Vs Nelsons. As they were in 1930. 16 inch showdown. Duke of York and Nelson vs Tirpitz and Bismark Vanguard vs Vittorio Venetto
@davidharner5865
2 жыл бұрын
In the Battle against Washington, where did Tirpitz find German destroyers as late in the war as it could have fought?
@nickbradshaw1172
6 жыл бұрын
One for the alternate history, what if the london naval treatys failed and therefore the british build the lion class without weight restrictions in mind? Would it still have a similar layout to the KGV class secondary wise and armor etc or would we see the class split the secondary to defined anti surface and AA like this Bismarck and Roma? Or maybe they would stick with the multipurpose guns but have 6 abreast rather than 4? Could we see the torpedo protection introduce the two stage system planned for the G3 class?
@lamwen03
5 жыл бұрын
I heard just a snippet, once, from a noted historian who felt that if the LNT had failed, the British and Americans would have gone to war against each other.
@Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
5 жыл бұрын
@@lamwen03 I would have to disagree. If the Washington naval treaty had failed then there would have been war however in the 1930s, when the London Naval Treaty was signed, there was this little thing called the great depredation. The big sad would have prevented any politician from considering war and would have made the construction of new battleships an interesting prospect, as in it would create lots of jobs that would get you lots of votes. The ships themselves would likely be a whole lot bigger, but they wouldn't be as big as the immediate post WW1 designs as that would have been too expensive.
@jarrusjenkins
5 жыл бұрын
Apparently 20" guns were on the agenda and silly stuff like that
@BarryKennedy
4 жыл бұрын
@@lamwen03 Noted historians say stupid things all the time. I
@nadlisse9055
5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this one: IJN Asashio (normal 610mm torpedo launchers) vs USS Kidd
@wheels-n-tires1846
4 жыл бұрын
Idk... With only 8 Harpoons on Kidd, the IJN might be able to survive and get within gun range but...😂😂😂
@jasonwalker3020
4 жыл бұрын
How about the 2 big gun battle wagons “Alabama vs Tirpitz” a battle that could’ve happened, since the Alabama while operating in North Atlantic was actually looking for a fight with the German battle wagon
@richardm3023
3 жыл бұрын
Roll Tide!
@WardenWolf
5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it was true of the Nagato class or not, but the Fuso class had a major flaw where the turrets' barbettes didn't extend very deep into the ship, potentially exposing the stored shells and magazines to penetration. There's a reason US warships had the base of their barbettes near the bottom of the ship.
@taggartlawfirm
5 жыл бұрын
How effective was American radar gun direction during WW2? The radar on Tirpitz, like Bismarck, was damaged by firing the guns, in addition to fragility it was not nearly as precise or long ranged.
@BarryKennedy
4 жыл бұрын
If you are thinking of the Iowa class, by mid 1944 they could hit targets at 30,000 yards all day.
@Kwolfx
6 жыл бұрын
Two additional factors to consider in a North Carolina vs Nagato battle are radar and the exact time in the war when you want to place this battle. Now that I think about it, third and fourth factors would be time of day and weather conditions. At any time in the war the North Carolina would have had an advantage. The Nagato did survive until the end of the war so it eventually was given radar, but nowhere as good as what the North Carolina had at the same time. The following is from Combinedfleet.com which is a website about the Imperial Japanese Navy. It's from a comparison of some of the major battleships of all countries during WW2. "The final adjusted rating also reflects the fact that American FC (radar) systems employed by far the most advanced stable vertical elements in the world. In practical terms, this meant that American vessels could keep a solution on a target even when performing radical maneuvers. In 1945 test, an American battleship (the North Carolina) was able to maintain a constant solution even when performing back to back high-speed 450-degree turns, followed by back-to-back 100-degree turns. This was a much better performance than other contemporary systems, and gave U.S. battleships a major tactical advantage, in that they could both shoot and maneuver, whereas their opponents could only do one or the other." Before May 31, 1943 the Nagato wouldn't have had radar. The officers and crew of the Kirishima were given a painful lesson in what it meant to not have radar in a gunfight night battle against an opponent who did have radar. In that battle the U.S.S. Washington fired 76 main battery shells and scored 20 direct hits, according to the Kirishima's damage control officer. That was at very close range for battleships, only 7800 - 8400 yards, but the Washington's observers could only see the Kirishima's silhouette and thought they only scored 8 or 9 direct hits. So in the dark or in weather conditions that would reduce visibility, the North Carolina's advantage gets larger.
@victoriacyunczyk
3 жыл бұрын
Here are some of my suggestions: König vs Bretagne Kawachi vs Nassau Iowa vs Littorio Nelson vs Nagato Montana vs Yamato Gangut vs Tegethoff
@andrewhammel5714
4 жыл бұрын
the USS Colorado is guarding a merchant convoy. And its attacked by the Bismark. Bismark has to sail around the Colorado to get at the convoy. Colorado 8x16 inch guns to Bismarks 8x15 guns. BUT Bismark is five or six knots faster, and is a bigger and more modern ship. Given that respective pair of missions. Who wins?
@geoffhusband6594
4 жыл бұрын
Just remember - Luck. Hood was hit and sunk by a one-in-a-million hit. Bismark lost both front turrets (effectively) and the bridge with all personnel from one 16" hit. No matter how one-sided a battle, a battleship sized shell can do critical damage to the fighting ability of any ship regardless of armour - a shell hitting a turret doesn't need to penetrate to put it out of action, jams, shock killing the crew etc - ditto radar and directors. I often imagine Warspite getting a couple of decent hits at long range (which she was very good at!) against the Yamato and then proceeding to calmly pick it apart leaving a floating hulk...
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
Ibritish ships very often recceived those one-in-a-million hits! coincidence?
@TheChill001
3 жыл бұрын
and here I am using a Gneisenau of tier 7 in WoW to curbstomp Yamatos of tier 10... in the end, what makes or breaks a ship is still the one in charge and the competency of the crew xD
@calebburris5744
5 жыл бұрын
HMS Agincourt vs USS Wyoming. WW1 Refits
@Steelshadow104
4 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to do a IJN B65 vs. USN Alaska?
@craigkdillon
5 жыл бұрын
How about a Greek Trireme from the Battle of Salamis against the Civil War Monitor in the North Sea. That should be interesting. I think that the ships being compared be contemporary should be a requirement.
@davidmcintyre8145
5 жыл бұрын
As to historically contemporary how about a US monitor of the 1870's with 15 in smoothbores vs HMS Devastation in a seaway
@richardthomas5362
4 жыл бұрын
Blub Blub Blub. Both would end up sinking like rocks before they got into contact with each other is my guess :)
@jayvee8502
5 жыл бұрын
Bismark Vs Vanguard.
@donalddemo
3 жыл бұрын
The voice of reason! S Dakota Class over Bismarck class - Thank You! N Carolina class vs Bismarck - more even yes, but with updated targeting radar and Bismarck being prone maybe to knocking its own radar out from own guns percussion ...... ?. .
@sinisterjenks5443
6 жыл бұрын
Always kinda wondered, just how one sided would the possible engagement between Bismarck vs HMS Ramillies of been? Btw, love your work!
@andrewturnbull1027
6 жыл бұрын
I think the old girl would of put up a valiant fight as was her disposition' before succumbing to Bismark' Ramiilles and her crew most certainly would not of backed down as her record proves.
@michaelpielorz9283
Жыл бұрын
Bismarck had to wait for Ramillies to arrive and on it`s arrive war would have been over!
@kreol1q1q
6 жыл бұрын
Oh, I like the abundance of speculative fights like these. Well then, a Tegetthoff class ship (not Szent Istvan though) vs a Conte di Cavour class. Also, Ersatz Monarch vs Francesco Caracciolo, just to go full hypothetical. And to cap this series of requests off, could you model a large battle between the Italian battle line and the Austro-Hungarian battle line in 1916 (after Leonardo Da Vinci blew up)? It really wouldn't be neccessary if you think it would take up too much time. I'm not sure there's enough interest in that very particular section of the Med being rehashed from episode to episode, to warrant you doing all these.
@BOORAGG
4 жыл бұрын
Vanguard was a fine ship. The Iowa's were fine (and completely new) ships with heavier and more armament , the finest fire control (visual and radar) systems and damage control in the world and a higher battle speed. The 2700 lb Yank shell could penetrate any of vanguard's (and Yamato's) armor. The 15" gun was never terribly accurate compared to the British 14" which could penetrate anything the 15" could up to its maximum range. Two good ships. But Iowa wins.
@Fulmir-
6 жыл бұрын
Possible Q&A question: Can you go over the design of the Algerie compared to the Admiral Hipper and explain why, based on that engagement you just did, it's such a better cruiser despite displacing 5000 long tons less than the Hipper, basically a 50% displacement advantage. What did the French design simply do better, besides the shells, than even with 50% more ship to play with the German cruiser can't manage a convincing win?
@Fulmir-
6 жыл бұрын
That's a nice enough fact dump but it answers basically none of my question.
@Drachinifel
6 жыл бұрын
Will add to the Q&A list
@s.31.l50
6 жыл бұрын
Fletcher class vs Tribal class vs Fubuki class Because destroyers are cool
@rollosnook
5 жыл бұрын
Some Tribal class crews had been practicing gunnery since 1936. While there were successes, in 1942 and 1943 the US was still learning how to fight like the Germans and British, who had been fighting in Europe since the Spanish Civil War and 1939. I put my money on the Tribal Class destroyer winning.
@xgford94
5 жыл бұрын
Yes at last somebody who knows the truth a cloud of mosquitoes in scarier than a single Goliath Beetle
@merafirewing6591
5 жыл бұрын
Fletcher for the win.
@kenduncan3221
3 жыл бұрын
@@rollosnook Except the scenario stipulates that all crew has equal level of skill.
@piotrd.4850
4 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Battleship? Yamato with German Crew and American Captain. Anyway, Tirpitz vs. Musashi... ;)
@redtob2119
6 жыл бұрын
I love your videos! Do you think you could to The Alaska class battle cruiser vs the Roma battleship?
@Drachinifel
6 жыл бұрын
I've done the Roma, although it was in the robot voice. The Alaska is on the list though :)
@redtob2119
6 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel Nice I’ll check out the Roma video
@shockwave2477
5 жыл бұрын
The Alaska class was a heavy cruiser
@davidharner5865
2 жыл бұрын
Washingtons eXcellent gunnery may level the early salvo portion of the battle.
@steffenb.jrgensen2014
5 жыл бұрын
Even with equally competent crews I think the US 14"/45 never got close in accuracy to the RN 13,5" and 15" (and the 14"/50 was much worse). If the Texas vs. iron Duke duel takes place after 1918 and the introduction of the RN Green Boy shell the Iron Duke ought to have a serious advantage. If taking place before both ship's shells will tend to crack on heavy armour.
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