I think Bart severely underestimates the degree to which his learning about the Bible contradictions, mistakes, etc. planted the seeds for his much later rejection of Christianity.
@willx9352
Жыл бұрын
Why - I continue to be a Christian, but I do not hold to post Reformation beliefs about the Bible. The early Church Fathers and the Church did not believe the Bible was “inerrant” in a way that many Protestants now believe. This is an invented and novel belief. You don’t even need a scientific world view to see there are contradictions in the Bible.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Either it's God's word or not. I mean they can't even agree on who went to the "empty" tomb. In one gospel its Mary Magdalene, in another the two Mary's and in another just "women". In Mark the whole resurrection account is missing where a "man" tells the two women that Jesus is resurrected, they run away and tell no one of it. There are so many of those major inconsistencies and contradictions.
@FlameQwert
Жыл бұрын
partly I think he doesn't want to scare away Christians from his aim to educate them on the bible
@willx9352
Жыл бұрын
@@germanboy14 The majority of Christians have never believed and don’t believe that It is ‘God’s words’ in the way that is understood by Protestant fundamentalists.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
@@willx9352 that's problematic. Then why should I believe in it. Moreover the NT quotes God, Moses or Jesus saying something. But we know that the books were not written by eyewitnesses. The Ot quotes God, Moses or David etc. The Ot even says in some passages that God gave Moses the laws. So if the Bible is not God's word, then I have no reason to believe in it. If its God's word, then I have to reject it because of the mistakes etc
@willx9352
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that many people identify Christianity with a peculiar and novel sets of beliefs that were invented in the sixteenth century and later and had and continue to have a major impact in the USA and areas of the world under the influence of US churches. These beliefs include peculiar and novel beliefs about the Bible that were not held by Christians up until that time and are not the beliefs of the vast majority of Christians even now.
@Willie_Wahzoo
Жыл бұрын
Are you kidding? The lies like the idea that Jesus "is God" started coming in by the 4th century. "Christianity" was perverted from the start. Eternal conscious torment, dual natures of Christ, assumption of Mary, the list goes on and on----it's all unbiblical trash. "Christianity" has nothing to do with Christ or his God.
@stevearmstrong6758
Жыл бұрын
Yea, the American versions of Christianity that have grown since the 1800s are quite different from the original group of Christ followers in Jerusalem.
@bolshoefeodor6536
Жыл бұрын
Amen!
@X13N0b0dy
Жыл бұрын
What Christian beliefs today were invented in the 1600s? Augustine affirmed biblical inerrancy in his letter to Faustus the Manichean, "I confess to your Charity that I have learned to yield this respect and Scripture: of these alone do I most firmly believe that the authors were completely free from *error*." If you talking about something else, I'm all ears. The only thing I can think of that was invented near the 1600s and is a major part of Christianity today is the rapture.
@brandonogle9565
9 ай бұрын
The Protestant reformation
@Abuhamza-abdullah
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely.. because my whole belief has to be based on the fact that it is indeed the Inerrant, Perfect words of The Creator and the Bible is clearly not that.. that’s just me
@bolshoefeodor6536
Жыл бұрын
Why? Here is a question: if God wanted the faith to be based on a book, he wouldn't have sent his Son. He'd have sent us a book on day one, no?
@Abuhamza-abdullah
Жыл бұрын
@@bolshoefeodor6536 I dont believe God sent he’s son, I believe he sent Men as Prophets/Messengers (with books/scripture/a message) to convey to the people the purpose of life, and to explain in detail exactly how we should live every aspect of our lives
@HudanV0
Жыл бұрын
@@bolshoefeodor6536 there’s no way you’re following a religion with a book full of contradictions and mistakes. Not to mention, violence and injustice. U christians are hypocrites to your own religion.
@emiljansulejmani8996
9 ай бұрын
@@bolshoefeodor6536God sent the message to the prophets including jesus but your bibles were written years after jesus was raised in heaven thats why the pure message of god was changed by the hand of men and then God sent another revalation the last one named The Holy Quran
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
@@emiljansulejmani8996The Quran was written decades after Muhammad.
@mattr.1887
Жыл бұрын
Former diehard fundie here. Biblical inerrancy was always taught as the hardline norm to me. No exceptions. Not even a single letter had ever been wrong. I heard this not from just one out-there pastor alone, but every pastor and Bible study leader I ever sought out. If you suggested there was even a simple mistake, you might as well have been a Satanist. It's all behind me now. But honestly, if Christianity was true, then WHY SHOULDN'T the Bible be completely inerrant from day one? Interesting that Bart dismisses this so easily.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
Because of THE DEVIL probably. Also, a book can be divinely inspired despite having human errors
@thevulture5750
10 ай бұрын
Did you know that the KJV Bible is mathematically encoded with data?
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
@@thevulture5750Did you know that's a load of nonsense?
@Optidorf
Жыл бұрын
As a European it's a bit funny to see that so many Americans think the bible is the inerrant word of God. I wonder if that same culture would persist if protestants didn't pull away from roman catholicism where the pope is the replacement of Christ.
@unsiliquaria
Жыл бұрын
the bible is inerrant according to catholic doctrine aswell. the difference is that protestants don't interpret it under the light of tradition
@stevearmstrong6758
Жыл бұрын
Inerrancy is reactively new - just in the last couple of centuries and it’s definitely big in American conservative churches. It’s a reaction to the enlightenment.
@diansc7322
Жыл бұрын
@@unsiliquariaI have seen no catholic authority in recent times say that the bible is inerrant
@Bridan-Art
Жыл бұрын
In Africa too
@X13N0b0dy
Жыл бұрын
@@diansc7322Pope Leo XIII condemned the idea that the bible had error in Providentissimus Deus. Pope Benedict XV reaffirmed Pope Leo XIII's teaching in Spiritus Paraclitus (1920). Pope Pius XII’s Divino Afflante Spiritu (1943) also supported biblical inerrancy, "For as the substantial Word of God became like to men in all things, except sin, so the words of God, expressed in human language, are made like to human speech in every respect, except error” (DAS 37).
@Wishlake
Жыл бұрын
The mere hundred pages into the Bible is the reason enough not to follow any of it, let alone, the ideologies it formed.
@MossyMozart
Жыл бұрын
@___ Wishlake - It is an important sociological document, though, just like studying Greek mythology to understand Greek antiquity.
@Wishlake
Жыл бұрын
@@MossyMozart It is. You know what I meant.
@Mere_Christian
Жыл бұрын
I agree with Prof. Ehrman on this point. You really don’t need to accept that the Bible is inerrant to be a Christian. Nowhere does it claim that. C. S. Lewis, one of the most famous and beloved Christian apologists, accepted that there were errors and contradictions. Prof. Bruce Metzger, one of the most influential New Testament scholars of the 20th Century *and* Prof. Ehrman’s mentor, was a Christian who not only held the same view as Lewis, but that 2nd Peter was a forgery! Prof. Douglas Campbell is a Christian who accepts the consensus of skeptical scholars that many of St. Paul’s epistles are forgeries. This view is also held by Prof. Aaron Higashi, who is still a Christian. You don’t need to believe the Bible is inerrant to be a Christian. You really don’t.
@y11971alex
Жыл бұрын
I used to go to church but nobody there ever told me that every word in the Bible is scientifically or historically true. They said the Bible is a story its writers wanted to tell about God, but the point is what you think about God. There is no way you could be expected to maintain a religious view with verbatim adherence to a story written 2,000 years ago. People of faith in Roman times debated constantly about the Bible in its formative stages and there is no reason for one now to refrain from doing so, even if one professes this religion.
@mattr.1887
Жыл бұрын
What kind of church?
@y11971alex
Жыл бұрын
@@mattr.1887 Anglican, in Toronto
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
@@y11971alexAnglicans are about two steps shy of Unitarian Universalism.
@aaronpolichar7936
Жыл бұрын
I grew up Jewish, not Christian, so I can't really speak to Christianity. But I went through a similar process with the Hebrew Bible. However, because my religious identity was not purely based on faith, I continued to identify with Judaism even after I was no longer a theist.
@BQ900
Жыл бұрын
Tried to mention the difference in the museum scroll and TANAK and girl said she didn’t see any change in her synagogue scroll.😂
@judyswiderski2682
Жыл бұрын
U must be born again. Not an intellectual. God said he preserved his word. He did not promise to preserve history, biblical scholsrship writings etc. His wotd has been hated for over 400 years. And attacked. U must be born again. You cannot have ears to hear without it. Born again, born anew, regeneration. The Noah Webster 1828 Dictionary defined Regeneration: Reproduction, the act of making new. In theology, new birth by the grace of God; thst change by which the natural enmity of man to God and His law are subdued, and a priciple of supreme love to God and his law, or holy affections are IMPLANTED IN THE HEART.
@NoSpam1891
Жыл бұрын
Not the errors. The fact that it's so obviously mythic and worse, it's kludged together with many parts that are incongruous. It's somewhat interesting from that point of view but really, the total evidence for a real Jesus is only in Corinthians 1 & 2, Romans and Philemon. The other epistles are apparently forgeries and the gospels are late fan-fiction. Or so I conclude in my skeptical way.
@farvision
Жыл бұрын
The stories in a book are not good evidence. They are easily made up and since we know we only have a copy of a copy of a [Bart Ehrman will repeat for you] ... they can have anything in them now. There is no evidence for Jesus OUTSIDE the bible. I'm willing to think there may have been a teacher that started the myths but beyond that everything is in doubt.
@nyny1475
Жыл бұрын
You have to use simple logic. Is god omniscient? > If yes than god wont make mistakes > thus gods books should not have errors.> if there is a mistake in the book than bible is not gods book> christianity will not lead you to salvation> therefore stop following a wrong faith. Just logic.
@thewb8329
Жыл бұрын
Where does the assumption come from that a God is Omni anything or possesses certain characteristics? I know this is for the philosophy 101 assumptions for characteristics of God to discuss the problem with evil and other arguments. Amazing how apologists can know certain things about God but explain away unknown or contradictions as “mysteries” kind of like flat Earth believers (who 1 in 50 still believe in worldwide) make up the pac man effect/ wormhole to explain why aircraft end up on the opposite side of the earth if they fly to the edge. The more one researches the evolution of religion ( including the God of the Bible aka Yahweh’s evolution from one of many pagan gods from the Canaanite Bronze Age period), the belief in hundreds of gods both past and present throughout world cultures as well other beliefs in the supernatural serves to explain the unknown and to provide both comfort and instill fear for social compliance. Realize that as it was only about 250 years ago that the world wide belief was disease and illness were the result of evil spirits and demon possession and many people in religions throughout the world still believe this including Christians. Humanity’s egotistical nature and self delusion has brought us where we are at this point in time. If the history of the universe were written in a book with a page representing one million years, our entire civilization would be on the the last 4 words on the last page of page 13,500. Truth is we are just a blip in the history of time and not that special thinking that everything was made for us.
@leom6343
Жыл бұрын
@Ike Raggi then God is not almighty and we don't have to believe in the bible. And you yourself made assumptions about God being able and not being able
@leom6343
Жыл бұрын
@Ike Raggi well then there is no reason to believe in the bible if we know for sure that some passages are not true and we dont know if the other passages are true because we don't have originals. Either they are all true or not.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
@Ike Raggi according to biblical scholarship whole books of the bible were written as forgeries and not by a disciple of Jesus. So we are not only dealing with false verses but with whole forged books, whole false doctrines etc. First Christians didn't believe in salvation by faith alone or Jesus being God. There is no reason to believe in the bible or to commit the life to it. Its unreliable
@nyny1475
Жыл бұрын
@Ike Raggi you are trivilazing something so simple just to make your point. And you did it with a bunch of assumptions. What is more logical is the following: The original book had no errors (the original gospel[not bible because bible just means book in Greek] was written in Arameic[where is the original Arameic version of the gospel?]). And the original Arameic gospel was later corrupted. Therefore the current bible with its many versions is not the word of god thus cannot be trusted. So no one knows which part of it is exactly the same as the original Arameic version. Therefore you have to throw out the whole book. Remember you want to follow a divine religion(has to be from god otherwise its no different than scientology) . If you follow Christianity today you will be following a man made religion because the book is changed by man in many instinances.
@emiljansulejmani8996
9 ай бұрын
If u want a book without contradictions then read the last revelation sent by God as a recitation to angel gabriel and then to the last prophet of mankind history Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him)- The Holy Quran
@troyfreedom
Жыл бұрын
Listen, if the Christian god exists and the 66 books of the Bible contain discrepancies and contradictions; what does that say about this deity? Christians claim their god has unlimited time, unlimited resources, and unlimited wisdom. If these attributes are to be taken seriously; why do we have a sloppy product(bible) as our only source from this beings mind? I’ve come to the conclusion the Bible is nothing more than a collection of writings from men just like every other religious text.
@EinarGrondal
Жыл бұрын
I am quite well aware that many "errors, typos, misunderstandings, and lies" fill the "Good Book", a.k.a. the bible. It certainly tested my faith. I have noticed other folks at Church having visceral and nearly violent reactions to any discussion of such heresy. I suspect that my "heresy" will see my faith demolished in due course. But I think Bart is right in that it aught not be that way. If faith and religion can't hold water when challenged by truth, then it ain’t worth much. 🎉
@everykneeshallbowzao
5 ай бұрын
There actually are no errors. Bart is overly confident about these things but whenever he’s up against another historian who actually knows about the facts and how the scripture is supposed to be read, he stumbles again and again. His whole career is based on this so he will refuse to be proven wrong by anyone. He even gets the history of how old the gospels are wrong. This is really basic and majority of scholars and historians agree on the dating of the gospels.
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
@@everykneeshallbowzaoThere are plenty of errors, and I'm sure they've been pointed out to you. You're in denial.
@_S0me__0ne
Жыл бұрын
The errors combined with understanding how the Bible came to be, which explains the errors. I couldn't value the Bible anymore, much less trust it. That leaves tradition and theology/philosophy. Those have their own worms and can't be trusted or valued. If none of those three elements are true, then claims of faith and belief are really what they are, emotional responses and self-delusion.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
I rejected the bible and Christianity because of them. Either the bible is Gods word or not. Moreover, if the books dont go back to Jesus or Moses, i dont see any reason to believe in them. Especially when most books of the Nt were written as forgeries and not by an eyewitness or disciple of Jesus
@ProLookout
Жыл бұрын
Yes baby let’s gooooo👏🏼, God gave us rational senses for a reason
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
The reliability of the Gospel message itself is the key to Christianity, not the perfection of the literary tradition used to contextualize and pass down that message. Only once faith in Christ is established does the rest of the book's accuracy become relevant, and even then, its relevance is in the context of guiding the faith of believers and the church, not in providing detailed, precise, and objective historical documentation for ancient Near Eastern politics.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
@@MAMoreno the todays gospels message and what Paul teached are not what first Christians believed. They didn't believe Jesus to be God, kept the law and didn't believe in salvation by faith alone. So everything you believe comes from the Bible, which is unreliable, because of its mistakes and the fact that books were written as forgeries and not a single book of todays NT was written by an eyewitness or disciple of Jesus
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
@@germanboy14 We're really pushing the meaning of "the first Christians" if we're not including Paul. He was a convert only a few years after the death of Jesus, so he's hardly some second-generation Christian.
@germanboy14
Жыл бұрын
@@MAMoreno Galatians 2 admits a split with Paul and the apostles. Paul says in Gal 2 14 that Peter wanted Gentiles to keep the law. Acts in order is not reliable and just wants to rewrite history. Bart Ehrman just made a video where he says that there a major difference of what Jesus said and what Paul said. Moreover todays gospels were not written by anyone of the 12 apostles. If Peter, James, John or Barnabas wanted Gentiles to keep the law, then all Christians today are wrong. In Matthew Jesus also says to keep the law for salvation. Paul says to have faith in Jesus as the Lord and his crucifixion for salvation
@gregmitchell4599
10 ай бұрын
The thing though is that The Bible does not have a single contradiction. So which errors are you referring to, Bart?
@think-islam-channel
6 ай бұрын
The death of Judas. Or did JK Rowling work a way out of those contradictions?
@DavidTraynier
Жыл бұрын
I rejected Christianity for many reasons, not least the fundamental absurdity that an omnipotent supernatural power would choose to communicate with the race it had created using a book dictated to shepherds in an era of mass illiteracy.
@youngknowledgeseeker
Жыл бұрын
It wasnt a book dictated to shepherds...sayings and speeches were most likely orally transmitted, and then decades later, after communities were established, were they then committed to "pen and paper".
@Willie_Wahzoo
Жыл бұрын
@@youngknowledgeseeker His point is that an all-powerful God could have communicated it in a clearer, more satisfying and accurate way.
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
So the ancient world didn't deserve to get a message from God? And any message they received has to meet with our current social and cultural expectations rather than their own? And it wasn't through a book that the tradition was passed down. It was through communities of faith, both Israelite and Christian. The book plays a part in those communities, but it's not as if the faith was revived yesterday after spending centuries buried in books underground.
@BrunoCardoso-dp3bd
Жыл бұрын
Ok you evolved bacteria
@youngknowledgeseeker
Жыл бұрын
@@r0ky_M That's a good question. And the answer is, I don't know. Always think and ask good questions 👍
@davidallhusen
Жыл бұрын
Errors merely reflect a fallible human condition; not a universal spiritual reality.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
What is a universal spiritual reality? Christians to this day cannot agree on its basic concepts
@davidallhusen
Жыл бұрын
@@dr-johngy-brongen The ability and awareness to question.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
@@davidallhusen vague vagueness
@v0id616
Жыл бұрын
With all due respect, why shouldn't that lead people away from Christianity? The inerrant word of God, the base of the faith and all the stories just aren't that. Without "scripture", how would you even know about that religion?
@charliemoody7168
Жыл бұрын
There’s a vast distance between faith in Jesus & faith in Christianity; the “inerrancy” hypothesis reduces it to idolatry of a book, which says it is written by the creator & therefore CANNOT be wrong. Knowledge of biblical insufficiencies didn’t end my faith. Knowledge of the Bible AND a life in the evangelical world were MORE than enough; but what did it were the destructive effects on my psychological & emotional well-being, resulting from years of sincere effort to live the life Christianity prescribes and - turn against the way I was made: in God’s image, they said. The *image* is what they care about. It gives them cover, and “plausible deniability”
@mattr.1887
Жыл бұрын
I now tell people: True Christianity is a religion - not a relationship.
@unsiliquaria
Жыл бұрын
i would stop following bart just because of the muslims that parasite his skepticism
@faisalabdelkarim6457
11 ай бұрын
You are free to do that.
@khabibtime3689
Жыл бұрын
if the foundation of xtianity destroyed, you should find new religion. Learn and study for that.
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
Christ is the foundation of Christianity, not the writings about Christ (inspired though they are). If the gospel message is true, a tiny mistake about geography is irrelevant.
@khabibtime3689
Жыл бұрын
@@MAMoreno how do you know about christ??.. by reading!! and what you read!? bible "words of god" or just story by unknown persons.??
@MAMoreno
Жыл бұрын
@@khabibtime3689 We know about Christ by hearing the Gospel, which has been passed down both orally by the church and verbally by the Bible.
@khabibtime3689
Жыл бұрын
@@MAMoreno which gospel?? which bible?? 😊
@caulcampbell6880
Жыл бұрын
Some people are not worshipping God but they are worshipping the Bible, the scriptures in the Holy Bible is to edify the believer about God, in scriptures of the Bible it is written worship God and only Him we should serve, to worship the Bible is idolatry.
@aiseavakameilalo5063
Жыл бұрын
My faith is stronger than Bart Erdman contradiction ideology. Noone can move me from the love of Christ.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
Just curious, have you read at least one of Bart’s books? Also, have you read (actually read, not cherrypicked quotes) the Old Testament?
@aiseavakameilalo5063
Жыл бұрын
@twistedblood234 I know him, and he knows me , and he saves me, period. I have been committed to lots of trouble . I heard his voice in trouble, and I talked from experience.
@MiltonLearns
8 ай бұрын
@twistedblood234 just because some illiterate prophet says that Allah is God and gave him a book (which by the way HAS been changed) that doesn't make Allah God either. Who is God to an individual depends on one's faith, nobody knows or will ever know who the real God is. It's all relative. If you see someone you believe to be God in your dreams and decide to worship it, then what's wrong with that? Why can't people have a faith without others berating them for it? Is that really the mentality of the world today?
@FinalFantasy8911debater
6 ай бұрын
@@aiseavakameilalo5063 god is nothing but a delusion. Nothing more. YOU are convinced of your fantasy, so be it. So are members of every other religion. But science and reason are real and objective and valid, independent of what YOU feel about it. And science and reason show that no diety is real. And ESPECIALLY yahweh.
@Ok44398
3 ай бұрын
@@MiltonLearnsgive proof, you can’t
@fernandoalvarez9735
Жыл бұрын
No. The Holy Spirit's presence is what will help you with matters that go beyond writings in a book.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
How do you know it’s a holy spirit and not just your mind talking? Also, how do you know it’s not an evil spirit, either? 😈
@fernandoalvarez9735
Жыл бұрын
@@dr-johngy-brongen because I know things that have never entered my mind or that I ever gave a second thought to. If it goes against the commandments of God then I know it's an evil spirit. Not only that but the people of the ancient past tell us alot about this world and the rules that should be followed while we exist on it. "When you get to a crossroad look to the past and find the good path and walk in it"..I'm paraphrasing but there is so much to this statement then people realize.
@salmansami468
Жыл бұрын
The contradictions and errors should be enough to tell a human being that its false
@rebukeandreprove.
Жыл бұрын
Geographical error? Can you name just one. What ever happened to making positive claims?? I know what happened, KZitem where in debates you were cross examined. Dr. James White comes to mind. 😊
@AndreBentrup
Жыл бұрын
Many good scholars show that God has a body. God is not omnipresent. He is not omniscient. The claim that God has to posess these qualities to be God is not in the bible. Why then did Bart walk away from God over suffering ? He should have taken that into account. Btw: omnipotency is also not in the bible. It is all might. The control in command over the heavenly hosts and the creation (winds, etc) Bart was influenced too much by Philosophy about God
@MrFossil367ab45gfyth
Ай бұрын
Errors and contraditions don't undermine the Bible as divinely inspired or the truth of Christianity.
@pearladams4817
Ай бұрын
When you go looking for mistakes and errors in the Bible, God Himself will open your eyes to see a bucket full of them! When you read the Bible with an intention to know its Author, you will also find what you seek. People like you are in the former group!
@Berkeleystangs
Жыл бұрын
Notice he don't name one,only error is his understanding, I've seen this a hundred times ,if you show them how there in error, they just deni deni deni.
@TheKingofdans
10 ай бұрын
😂😂 he has a book, go read it. Also, this is a SHORT, go watch his debates. It's a fact that your book has errors
@think-islam-channel
6 ай бұрын
How did Judas die?
@Deedzproductionz
6 ай бұрын
Why does belief in God hinge on the Bible being the inerrant written word of God ? Inspired but not literally written by him
@faithrada
Жыл бұрын
Once a person fully REALIZES who God / Jesus actually is.. through a DIRECT Act of Grace... they will no longer bother with ANY religion and instead just follow God. When the Student is ready THE Master appears. KNOWING God, from God's own UNIQUE POV is never about mind belief.. but ALL about REVEALED TRUTH. A true Grace Awakening removes ALL doubt, and will shatter EVERY Belief one's finite and subjective mind has ever held. This is the "One True Death" which Scripture references... that Divine Moment when what we THINK we are DIES FULLY into God so that ONLY God remains. The ONE without a Second. Bottom Line: Christian religions have NO IDEA as to the true greatness of Jesus. He came. Not simply to get individual souls in to Heaven, but to grant us His own Divine, non-dual STATE of Absolute ONEness. Religion has not a clue as to WHY God chose to manifest here in the form of Jesus... and all forms of the Grace Bestower throughout time. . Grace, the Revealing power of God, is eternally independent, belonging to no religion, group, or individual. Once Grace strikes we are never the same AND we percieve Jesus in a whole NEW Light. Transcendent, Truly MYSTICAL Knowledge is nothing like subjective mind knowledge. This is WHY Grace is essential. SEEK & Know that God Alone exists... as all that IS and IS Not. 🙏
@trinsit
7 ай бұрын
In a way, it was the inerrancy, because it's based on us believing that what was written IS what people saw and witnessed, which means we are believing that unbelievable things happened. If unbelievable things did not happen and it isn't inerrant, then how can you tell what to believe and what not to believe? Because people use the same book to justify horrific atrocities. No. Throw the whole book out because something being true does not depend on who said it. Just focus on what is true and what works. If it doesn't work, throw it out. Facts are base reality. Reality is truth. Empathy is truth. Inerrancy is impossible. Acknowledging mistakes is humble truth.
@shalomvince2778
Жыл бұрын
well you can say whatever you want to comment about the bible...I still believe in the bible and i still believe in Jesus.
@voidagent
Жыл бұрын
The Imperial English word "god" was created in the mid-700's AD, from the Proto-German "gud'en". In Imperial England, it became "god" and in Imperial Germany, it became "gott". The English word "god" is not a name, it is an adjective. The Jew-Book "bible" is about as errant as a book can get. Try to remember here, it was the first book for the Jews, around 300 BC, but it wasn't the first book for the Chinese, Hindus, Greeks. Lao Tzu, Confucius and Siddhartha Buddha were contemporaries of each other, from 600 BC to 500 BC. The Iliad (The Odyssey) was written around 800 BC, 500 years before the Jew "torah" started being written. Aesop's Fables were written around 700 BC. The Jew-Book "bible" was written by Jews, about Jews, for Jews. It is about a small patch of scrub land at the east end of the Mediterranean. There is nothing about North America or the United States of America in it, because it was unknown at the time. In fact, for the Jews, Judea/Yudea was the "center of the world". The Jew-Book "bible" starts with the Big Lie, the "old" book and the "new" book. The Big Lie the "old" book starts with is the Jews were never slaves of the Egyptians and there was no Exodus. All the rest is imaginary. With the "new" book, the Big Lie is Pagan Roman Emperor Octavian Augustus never ordered a Census for Israel. Octavian Augustus did not care how many Jews there were or where they were born. With no edict for Jews to return to where they were born, there was no reason for Joseph/Yosef and pregnant Mary/Merriam to be on the road to Nazareth, no pit stop at Bethlehem, no "guiding star", no mages from the east, no "immaculate birth". From there, it is all superstitious imagining. One "believing" they are direct descendants of the first White Male Jew, Adam, are "believing" they are a Jew. Jews are Jews, "christians" are Jews, "moslems" are Jews, "mormons" are Jews.
@maniad1
Жыл бұрын
If the Bible was the only book to make the claim of being divinely inspired, I’d give it a pass. It would be a special book. But it’s not!! Not even close! There’s texts of all kinds from the Egyptian book of the dead, the B Gita, Quran, Book of Mormon, Aztec, Inca, Mayan texts…on and on. It’s so blatantly obvious I don’t know WTF is wrong with people.
@AryaXVII
Жыл бұрын
I’d like Bart erhman to just make a video regarding every single one of these errors, because I’m more than certain someone will respond with an answer to all his objections 😂
@TefaUK
Жыл бұрын
Are you serious??? God showed you the right path and the mistakes in your belief yet you decided to stay??? God would make book errors?? Something that normal humans succeeded in doing but God couldnt? Is he all knowing or not? Is he knowledgeable or not? What kind of god do you believe in??? Do something correct and grab a copy of the Quran, we challenge you to find one, and before you randomly pick ones, search for their tafsirs, the interpretation, find a mistake, try to doubt it, try to produce a chapter like it, the Quran challenges you to do so if its indeed not from God you will succeed.
@danielandteresabowlin3406
Жыл бұрын
what errors?
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
No errors = no problem
@danielandteresabowlin3406
Жыл бұрын
@@dr-johngy-brongen correct
@outof_obscurity
10 ай бұрын
nah I'm well aware of the issues so I refuse to call the bible perfect. the question is how bad are the mistakes? are they errors of men or errors of God? can we still piece the stories together even if eye witness doesn't add up? yes. e. g. take all four accounts of the crucifixion and you get the picture Judas betrayed, Peter cut off a guys ear, Jesus put it back on and healed it, Jesus was tortured, killed, and a sign was over his head mocking him as King of the Jews and the Pharisees hated it. Jesus was buried in a tomb, and was resurrected. two angels announced the resurrection to women first then he appeared to the other apostles. all those stories have varying details but those are the hard points you can extract from the story. which is how detectives solve cases. they separate the witnesses, get an idea of the story, then do further research to figure out who what and why to solve the case. we can do the same with the bible. also grammatical errors don't take away from the forshadows like Abraham and Isaac and how God stopped him and gave him a Lamb to sacrifice instead so all Gods promises about Isaacs children could be fulfilled. every story indicates nothing is possible without a Messiah.
@santiagotilve1025
Жыл бұрын
Well lets think for a second, if the bible (who was considered by many as perfect) has many mistakes about geographical, historical, etc errors, don't you think its posible its wrong with god, angels souls, etc? Specially considering we have more evidence that the Christian god in the bible is false rather than true?
@Alrl57
11 ай бұрын
off because because how can god make a book with error.. omg.. god is perfect.. god never die.. god never suicide, kill himself for our sins.. omg too poor if we have a god like that..
@akb504
Жыл бұрын
Shouldn't God's word be infallible? Why wouldn't you use a benchmark? Quran has challenged humanity for 14 centuries, why are all failing
@anashabeeb3741
Жыл бұрын
I surprise confused that, in one hand you try to show people the truth about biblical narratives have tremendous amount of contradictions in every level, beginning to end, and you try to lead the people towards truth and other hand you said it doesn’t matter about the truth to know in order to follow the Christianity. Then what’s the point to know anything to be true just follow your desire. It’s like atheist would say go with the flow make your own destiny make your own religion or faith. Don’t you realize that if these Christian making mistakes knowingly, and like you as a scholar have responsibility to show them what their following is a not true, isn’t that the reason you left Christianity?
@terregales7203
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Bart . I find cannabis, the holy ghost, proof of what was promised, “ the filling of the Holy Ghost” The gospel of Philip “ It’s thee all
@Kassalawy56789
9 ай бұрын
Oh well, you know about the contradictions, errors & you decided to stay, good luck....!!!!
@nammuoi
Жыл бұрын
The Christian scriptures, especially the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles of Paul, were written by "vipers" not by sheep. Those are verses for blind people like Paul
@Allahwalladingdong
10 ай бұрын
Christianity is a mythological cult that elevates a human to god like levels. There is more wisdom and originality in the words of Plato or Marcus than Jesus.
@sebastienseb7673
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for admitting that you still believe in God even if the book is full of bs. It is a disappointement to lose my trust in your work but at least you were honest about your position. I just can't take you seriously anymore.
@Foster-rv6ty
Жыл бұрын
There many books without errors including the phone book. That doesn't make such books divine.
@kevindavis5966
Жыл бұрын
I doubt many people were deconverted on errors and contradiction in the bible alone. I think it's just one piece in a larger mosaic that gives some a clearer picture of the religion as a whole.
@gerardo2360
Жыл бұрын
The Bible isn’t the only legitimate scripture on the planet, therefore, in order to be an honest atheist, you really have to explore them all, when you do then atheism might have some substance not before.
@skepticusmaximus184
Жыл бұрын
Imagine being one of Barts Sunday school students, then growing up and going to university, only to find he's your lecturer and an agnostic atheist, secular bibe scholar.
@MrWinMrWin-qr2bn
11 ай бұрын
The Christian faith rests on the resurrection of Jesus. If it happened then Christianity is true. If it didn’t happen then it’s not true.
@ryder_thompson
Жыл бұрын
I thought for a moment that he was talking about that other religion, which has been perfectly preserved .... I m confused :)
@mollymuch2808
Жыл бұрын
What has not changed is the gospel message from genesis to revelation The bible message is a progressive successive revelation of God,s rescue plan for broken humanity
@Pokarot
Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Why would anyone care about the accuracy of their infallible holy book! Why should errors be any concern at all to your faith?
@Dizzinator2114
Жыл бұрын
It was right to say a lot of people hold that view I know I certainly held it and so did the church I attended. I was able to remain a believer even knowing somethings were wrong but that was the beginning of the end
@baldeagle1171
Жыл бұрын
I mean, when you are told its gods word, and thats its flawless, yet contains enough flaws to create enough doubt. Not hard to think maybe this is house shit.
@monastery4090
Жыл бұрын
Havent seen any examples in this whole comment section
@potkinazarmehr
8 ай бұрын
What if the gospels were written by learned men who listened to what the early day Christians had learned from the desiples and thats why there are differences between them
@drsatan9617
8 ай бұрын
Then there's still errors
@leonardshevlin7260
Жыл бұрын
Is that view "very strange" if you know a lot of people who have it?
@arceotolentino237
Жыл бұрын
Lose your faith in Christianity? Maybe, but not in God
@timothygibney159
Жыл бұрын
It lead me to fall away. I noticed the errors were the ones cited the most by church! How can I trust any of it?!
@michael.1517
Жыл бұрын
Christianity is about the resurrection, not the Bible.
@timothygibney159
Жыл бұрын
@@michael.1517 Where did you get that from? The bible of course
@emiljansulejmani8996
9 ай бұрын
@@timothygibney159 I advise u to read the last revelation of God the Holy Quran it doesnt have any contradiction in it
@MiltonLearns
8 ай бұрын
@emiljansulejmani8996 the Quran itself is just scriptures of Muhammed who apparently lived 500 years after the death of Yeshua, there's no proof that any of it is the word of God, its all just here-say. They are all just accounts of a man. We do not know how influenced this man was, we do not know if this man was disturbed, we do not know if this man was even alive to begin with. No holy book is sacred. No holy book means anything. Nobody knows God, nor will ever know God, until God faces them. Your religion is based on stories.
@MiltonLearns
8 ай бұрын
@@emiljansulejmani8996the existence of your prophet to begin with is based on verbal stories, and how can any of those stories bare any fact to his being, and if he didn't exist, then nothing else in the Quran did .
@Mooneyrooter
9 ай бұрын
You have been refuted so much lil bro 😂
@enijize1234
Жыл бұрын
I lot of it is due to the evangelical/baptist view that "THE KJV" or for the spanish speakers "La Reina" "is the only true word of god"... this arrogance has lead a lot of people to question the message.
@mooshei8165
Жыл бұрын
Just a lot, but there’s still over billions of Christians dare question the Bible. They will still say it’s the word of God.😂😂😂
@philippinestroppoholic7996
Жыл бұрын
Hang on. What exactly ARE these 'errors'?
@robindesbois1551
Жыл бұрын
People just follow their forefathers' religion.
@tusharveigas2744
6 ай бұрын
If the Bible has a single mistake then it isnt the word of God. If it isnt the word of God am not gonna read it nor believe what is in it. Thats why am NOT a christain.
@CatholicCrusader__30
4 ай бұрын
y
@feyselahmed4581
Жыл бұрын
If you know someone is not consistent in his stories, will you have faith in him. Absolutely not. The premise that the Bible has errors is correct but the conclusion that you continued to be a Christian is incorrect. That’s a fallacy!
@Endrin911
Жыл бұрын
He believes neither bible nor quran. And he already gave up christianity.
@carimaelfarrah7800
5 ай бұрын
is the professor still a christian? it wasn't clear...he said I continued to be for 15 years, so does that mean he no longer is a Christian?
@liamthomas2014
3 ай бұрын
He’s no longer Christian . He left the faith because “the problem of evil” argument not the text directly.
@cordana8677
7 ай бұрын
Bart should learn of Islam, I think he'll find its claims very interesting. God bless Bart Ehrman.
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
I bet he thinks Islam is far worse.
@mythoughtsonfaith1031
Жыл бұрын
but you yourself actually said it was the errors which led you out of the faith. But listening to what you say about faith, your issue actually seems to be with the fabricated construct of "christianity" which descended from pagan catholisism not really the way of life described by the authors of the written works.
@boboak9168
Жыл бұрын
I’m fairly sure Dr Ehrman consistently says it’s the issue of (human?) suffering, or evil in the world if you will, that steered him away from faith. Seems as good a self-contradiction as any to leave the faith over to me, if not precisely an error.
@mythoughtsonfaith1031
Жыл бұрын
@@boboak9168 I remember quite clearly him expressing serious doubt in faith when he learned what he had been taught wasnt exactly in the writings . It started him on his journey, to which Suffering is just one of his point of contention , but seriously suffering is literally caused by man, what does faith have to do with that? How would anyone truely understand why not to cause suffering unless they get to witness the full horrors of its consequences.
@waxworse
Жыл бұрын
You were never a saved Christian.
@retribution999
Жыл бұрын
If you reject Christianity what are you going to put in its place. How will you fill the void in people's lives. As Augustine said " Our hearts are restless until we rest in thee"
@mattr.1887
Жыл бұрын
Morals, values, the beauty of nature, family, community, etc. You don't have to throw everything away - just the nonsense.
@brandonjade2146
10 ай бұрын
@@mattr.1887well it seems like thats doing a piss poor job right now
@davidschneide5422
Жыл бұрын
The errors in the Bible are easier to dismiss than the main character's total absence from objective reality.
@andrewmeneely9774
Жыл бұрын
explain all the schools , building , the spread of yhe gospels inexplicably across the globe, all the towns and countries named after him... NO one has ever affected the world as much.. FICTIONAL CHARACTER... HISTORY SAYS NO WAY... AND NEITHER DOES BART... READ HIS BOOK ... AND LISTEN TO WHAT HES SAYING.. BECAUSE OBJECTIVELY YOU ARE ALSO WRONG ? 😂
@davidschneide5422
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewmeneely9774 same as Santa Claus!
@andrewmeneely9774
Жыл бұрын
@@davidschneide5422 why do you spend your time hating an or being upset by the concept of a GOD ! I DONT BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS BUT I DONT SPEND MY TIME HATING ON HIM. 😂 HEY SAY SOMETHING MOCKING .... SO I GET THE WHOLE TROLL EXPERIENCE.
@davidschneide5422
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewmeneely9774 I can't hate God for the same reason I can't hate Santa Claus. Neither exist outside the human mind. At least most adults are able to accept the non-existence of Santa, while still cherishing the memories from the time they believed he was real.
@bolshoefeodor6536
Жыл бұрын
@@davidschneide5422 Bad example. St. Nicholas, Bishop of Myra was a real man. A man of God. Sorry.
@Martraul-CoramDeo
Жыл бұрын
Haha. He does believe his own BS.
@Nobody_____________
Жыл бұрын
What were they? He didn’t say any
@sanjose6018
Жыл бұрын
They are not contradictions.
@adropofgoldensun27
8 ай бұрын
Well the religious propaganda says that the bible is the "sacred word of god". If it turns out it is so flawed, why believe in it or anything it says? Much less devite a lifetime to obeying its teachings. Is that the best an omnipotent, omniscient god can do? "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
@0786AHA
8 ай бұрын
God does not make errors mistakes contradictions....😂😂😂😂
@adropofgoldensun27
8 ай бұрын
@0786AHA Silly person, according to the book of myths, God caused a world-wide flood that destroyed everyone except 1 man and his family. Pretty certain there was a mistake in there, somewhere 🤔
@KamalasFakePolls
2 ай бұрын
@@0786AHAYour existence disproves that.
@HudanV0
Жыл бұрын
Blind faith. Islam is the Truth Alhamdulillah! 0 contradictions 0 errors 0 mistakes. Perfectly preserved from the time of our Prophet SAW. Full of miracles and attestations and Prophecies
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
Does Islam preach that people who haven’t heard about Allah will burn in hell?
@HudanV0
Жыл бұрын
@@dr-johngy-brongen Nope. Not at all. Anyone who has never heard about Islam during this life would be tested in the hereafter during the Day of Judgement. Allah is the Most Just. If someone heard about Islam but he/she has some disability etc blindless or depression then they will also be tested in the hereafter. You should read Islamic videos regarding this. They explain the type of Tests that those people mentioned would have to undergo.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
@@HudanV0 ok, thanks. That sounds not as absurd as in christian tradition, at least
@awakeningmatters1111
Жыл бұрын
It’s just a distraction.
@bobbyallen7977
Жыл бұрын
All of these comments and the character who made this video have strengthened my faith in Jesus and our Heavenly Father.Yall are fulfilling prophecy right out of the bible.
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
Well, good for you
@bobbyallen7977
Жыл бұрын
@@dr-johngy-brongen Thanks! I will take that compliment!
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
@@bobbyallen7977 you’re welcome😀
@pamelavirnoche9573
Жыл бұрын
He is a contradiction
@faithrada
Жыл бұрын
If one wants a better understanding of the Bible, Jesus, and religion in general ... they may well find Elaine Pagel's book.. GNOSTIC GOSPELS , and also her book dealing with the Gospel of Thomasto be very helpful. Two real eye openers with much to contemplate.
@Pro-j4q
Жыл бұрын
Well as a homosexual, you can a hundred times understand, that all texts about homosexuality in the bible are either human made political motivated rules and not divine rules and in correct translation and context meaning something completely different, and there will ALWAYS be american evangelicals saying homosexuality is an "abomination". The pressure doesnt come from the bible, the pressure coimes from conservative (ignorant) communities and their preachers.
@AnathemaMysticalcel
Жыл бұрын
I, also have a similar belief. If people require, I say REQUIRE, that the Bilbe HAS TO BE INFALLIBLE WITHOUT ERROR, that they are worshipping a false God. First, they are using adjectives that should only be applied to God. Not an object. Second, "in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God, and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us." This is a reference to Jesus christ. Not leather. As some treat the Bible. They act like the bible is the fourth member of the trinity. Third, people who require that the Bible has to be infallible without error, as many church creeds and confessions and church covenants attest, require it because their faith is weak. They need something, that, "their eyes have seen and their hands have handled". Their faith is based on sight. Fourth, there is enough scripture that despite errors and all, to know that the God revealed in them is a personal God that does not require a Bible to reach people, and actually quite frequently interacts more with the unbeliever them the believer. Just within the story of abraham, we see God Interact with pharoah, abimilech, melchezidek and others. It is no stretch that God still does such today. Also, I do not care about translations, because the God who can confound languages at babble will ensure I get from what ever copy I read any knowledge that he requires I get. Because I do not need the scriptures for him to speak. For I listen, and he speaks to me. And I wish all would listen for he speaks to you also.
@lusocaster
Жыл бұрын
If the Bible is really inspired by God and his Holy Spirit and God is absolute and almighty then his revelead scriptures must be inerrant. Unless you believe in a limited God as some liberal theologians do. If the Bible has mistakes it is because it isn't divinely inspired. I think it is absolutely logical.
@Ken_Scaletta
Жыл бұрын
It's the MORALITY that should tell you the Bible was written by humans. The Bible endorses slavery, child rape and genocide. Why is there even a question?
@JohnJames-xj7df
Жыл бұрын
you have lost it
@bbuttercup7204
Жыл бұрын
The sect i was in used the words of the translation they use to absolutely control. Each passage was used to control thoughts and behavior. I didn't even know errors existed, eccept the Tetragram replaced by Lord. Now I've said too much.
@Zaramoku
Жыл бұрын
Most of the times I am reluctant to watch him or read his books because he still seems to be a Christian apologist, despite his findings about the bible; an example of that is this video.
@TURTLEORIGINAL
9 ай бұрын
If Bart would have spent his studies, focused towards believing, rather than disbelief, he’d be in a different place today.
@96tolife
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people have more faith in Bart Ehrman than they do in their ability to research his claims for themselves.
@faithrada
Жыл бұрын
Whatever moves us to question / examine our own current mind beliefs is always a step in the right direction. 😊
@dr-johngy-brongen
Жыл бұрын
Have you done that? Share with us your knowledge, please! 🙏
@luisalbertocarrillobacab9896
Жыл бұрын
if is God s word then it should not be so contradictory period one or two errors is no problem but when errors are in the entire Bible is something wrong
@carlosibarra4041
11 ай бұрын
100% LIAR!
@dubyagrip
Жыл бұрын
The bible was the last thing that made me realize christianity was untrue. Christians are what showed me that.
@brandonjade2146
10 ай бұрын
So in other words you judged by the followers who are flawed human beings like the rest of us instead of judging the real actual message?
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