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@martinvegas1327
4 жыл бұрын
Wait a while for them to get good!
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
@@martinvegas1327 I think at a minimum I'd wait until 2021 for these.
@KristiWright
4 жыл бұрын
@@martinvegas1327 or pour a very stiff drink first. On second thought, make that several.
@MrWu1f
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Andrew. Wow, disappointing to see Denon release the unit so buggy. I'm a fan of them though, I love my ageing AVR-3312.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
@@MrWu1f Historically, Denon has been a great company and I've loved A LOT of their products over the years, so hopefully this is just an isolated incident or one-off experience. Thanks for watching!
@iglezglez
8 ай бұрын
I cannot agree with this review at all. I had the 960h for a year now and I have to say that I'm super happy with it. 4k 120hz works great with a PS5 (you might not care about 8k for a while, but 4k 120hz requires same bandwidth as 8K and same ports and it is very very relevant today if you have a console or a PC), HDMI switching is flawless, audio quality is actually very decent (obviously it is a $800 receiver, cannot compare it to $5k ones) but the comment saying that it sounds worse than the TV speakers...made this review loose complete credibility in this channel. Agree that the interface looks like from the 90s. Im a trained musician, have been exposed to both consumer grade, pro and audiophile equipment through my life, and my takeaway is that this is a great entry level receiver for the price
@AdrianIII
4 жыл бұрын
I think I will wait for 16K.
@phillipknox5010
4 жыл бұрын
I for one, count on your honesty and clarity (must be hard to find proper descriptive words when trying to break down how to describe a sound or an image for someone else to understand). You have become my reference source for any item I would consider upgrading my system with - full stop. Thank you for providing us with the reality of this product on what was a clearly painful review.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
It's definitely easier and more fun to review a product we love. Thank you so much for watching.
@utubeb14
7 ай бұрын
People complaining about these 8k/60hz receivers, while ingnoring that its bandwidth allows for 4k 120hz...
@rlwings
3 жыл бұрын
Denon after watching this review: Damn, we should have sent him our flagship!
@videojoe7
3 жыл бұрын
Don't overlook the crossover adjustment! It's set at 120HZ. Change it to 80HZ for front, center and surrounds. The lower frequencies will go to the subwoofer. The sound is great now. 👍
@roadfordays
3 жыл бұрын
I've found it is necessary to play Andrew Robinson videos at 1.25 speed in order to simulate the speed of a normal person speaking. :D I had a Denon 4k receiver and the power amp was so crummy. They even made Klipsch La Scalas sound blurred, compressed, and distant. It only survived for a year of light use and I was relieved when it died completely. Never again.
@DigitalDonAV
4 жыл бұрын
And this years award for most dramatic Receiver review goes to....... :-)
@BilalFazalShaikh
4 жыл бұрын
hahahaha exactly
@stevealvanos6592
3 жыл бұрын
I have this receiver and have none of the issues you've talked about. On certain recordings the mid range will get a bit muddled but overall I find it to be a capable and pleasing sounding receiver. As far as heat radiating from the Denon I don't have that problem. I leave it on all the time and when I play it hard it's not hot whatsoever. My other system is comprised of an Ayre amp, VPI Superscoutmaster turntable, Audio Research Preamp, Rega Apollo CD player, and Infinity Intermezzo 4.1T Towers with Audioquest wires.
@capohd28
3 жыл бұрын
Similar experience for me. I swapped out a dead Yamaha HTR-6080 with this unit. It runs cooler than the old Yamaha. In my case, running in a 3.1 config, I find the bass and midrange very clear, but has far less high frequency clarity than the Yamaha. The old Yamaha worked better at low volumes, but I find with this Denon that it gets better with volume. It likes to be loud. One difference though, is that I was using the Samsung TV as a 4K switcher and used optical. On the Denon, I use it as a switcher now, and get signal from TV via HDMI. Not sure how much difference that makes. It's taking a bit of getting used to with the lower high frequency response on the Denon, but it may have been exaggerated on the Yamaha, so I'm giving it time before doing any manual equalization. I did use the built-in calibration. There have been firmware updates as of Aug 2021, so maybe those have dealt with some heat and response issues.
@bani_niba
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for being honest! So refreshing especially in the audiophile world.
@Monsux
4 жыл бұрын
As a PC gamer perspective, 8k is not the thing that I want but HDMI 2.1 allows 4k 120Hz (also new consoles). I would really want a new receiver that has that feature. The next TV will be 4k & 120Hz so I need a receiver that has at least three HDMI 2.1 in ports + two HDMI 2.1 out. Now my PC is connected to two monitors + two 4k TVs. I hope there will be reasonably priced receivers that have HDMI 2.1 support.
@gavination_domination
4 жыл бұрын
I'm in a very similar boat. My understanding is that 8k @ 60hz is comparable to 4K @120 and i don't see any receivers on the market that would support that outside of these 8K dudes. Not so much about being an "early" adopter as it would be about being in a specific market segment in this case.
@Monsux
4 жыл бұрын
@@gavination_domination Yeah... Any receiver that is 8k labeled has to support HDMI 2.1. It would be easier for the consumers if the marketing team would just say what HDMI type they support... Instead of hyping resolutions. I understand that 4k 120Hz bitrate is comparable to 8k 30Hz. Since 8k resolution is four times the resolution of 4k.
@joes8128
4 жыл бұрын
ops. Denon were better off to send the best reciever they have. They will regret it now after review like this. Great review as always. thx
@CC-gt3ro
4 жыл бұрын
Jozef s this is a cheap one, it has nothing related with x4700h and x6700h which have been tested by sound engineers and are very recommended. Have you look inside these amplifiers? Even between 4700 and 6700 it is very different quality. So imagine with tis cheap s900 series.
@joes8128
4 жыл бұрын
@@CC-gt3ro yes i know its bottom of range. But Andrew is comparing it to half of Denon price Sony or Yamaha av. Does not sound good Brand Advertising to me to, build product like this for £700.
@geraldperry7779
3 жыл бұрын
The best reciever denon has is x8500h it's still the same. Denon really drop the ball on this on, they should of waited 2 more years. No way i would upgrade from my x4500h.
@CC-gt3ro
3 жыл бұрын
Gerald Perry me i will update with the X4700h during 2021 when i will find a good deal. But i will use it as processor only mostly. It has been tested by a specialist and it is very good. The amplifier overheat a bit in such smaller case with 9 channel. but i will use it as processor so i will have much more reduced temperature.
@Powerpickle68
4 жыл бұрын
You're honesty is what I liked about this video
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
I'm honest with you guys in every video. I don't understand why when a reviewer pans a product viewers treat that as being "honest". One can honestly love something too. Thanks for watching!
@thegrimyeaper
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews If everything on a channel is amazing products it starts to feel like advertisements more than reviews. Not saying they are, it's just what happens, at least to me.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
I can appreciate and even understand your reply, but maybe think about it in another way. On average, once we've completed the testing of a product, which in and of itself can take countless hours. I say countless because I don't keep track, but it's a lot. It takes around 12 hours to produce one review from start to finish. Between b-roll shoots, writing the talking points, filming the to-camera portion and then editing and post production, it's a lot. Not to mention all the SEO and management work that is constant and always going on behind the scenes. Each video you see represents quite a lot of work, who wants to put all that work into a product or experience that isn't enjoyable? Your experience with said product is over in 12-18 minutes, but for us it has been weeks if not months of work. I say all of this to try and bring some friendly perspective to the discussion as it can be easy to assume we just "play" with gear then turn on a camera and blurt out whatever comes to mind. I'm not complaining as I do think my job is pretty sweet most of the time, but know that it is a job, same as any other 9-5.
@sphong0610
4 жыл бұрын
i loved my Marantz from 12 years ago but I don't have that anymore. This review was brutally honest and I appreciate that.
@onemore771
3 жыл бұрын
Have an avc-3700h, 0 problems, great sound, nice image, sound does not seems digital, bass is very accurate.... Pure direct mode in stereo is awesome 👌👍
@MasterChief37
3 жыл бұрын
I have the same unit, my only quibble is it runs a lot hotter than the old 14 year old Yamaha I used to have.
@onemore771
3 жыл бұрын
@@MasterChief37 mine is inside a narrows space, I have an infinity T9 ac, and I never saw it running to cool the avc
@johnny6610
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had it for about a month and love it. No over heating, no problems.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
3 жыл бұрын
Good to know! Appreciate you sharing!
@PWingert1966
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Any chance you might have gotten a wonky unit? Might ask Denon to check that unit for defects.
@stevealvanos6592
3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I bought the Denon and there's been no issues with heat. My biggest complaint is the instructions. Absolutely horrible.
@Baralan
4 жыл бұрын
The HDMI 2.1 functionality is something a lot of gamers want, not for the 8K capability, but because it allows 4k 120hz and variable refresh rate, which will be possible over hdmi with the upcoming RTX 3000 GPU's and the new consoles that are coming at the end of the year. Still, only offering 1 port is not great and it does not make up for any other faults with the receiver itself.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
There is a TON of added functionality beyond just 8K, yes, but if you're going to tout 8K than we have to put it to the test. The single 8K HDMI port is a total fail IMHO as it means you'll be looking for an 8K switcher should you pickup say two gaming consoles capable of 8K output. But, seeing as how everything else with this receiver was so bad, I didn't think it necessary to beat on it anymore.
@Baralan
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Oh no you are right, i would not think of buying one unless it has many more hdmi 2.1 ports, just wanted to mention another reason why someone would get a receiver with hdmi 2.1.
@Bodhished
4 жыл бұрын
@@Baralan I did buy one x2700h, which I haven't received yet. Reason is that I bought lg gx oled flush mount TV and I don't want to have to move stuff around and pull out the TV to plug stuff in. Thinking ps5.
@MS-np6hv
4 жыл бұрын
Good review, I haven't commented on your channel before until now. Denon..... let me start by saying I'm a 15 year AV repair tech. Denon is a company that doesn't have its act together for quality and reliability yes they get hot very hot and will die a premature death due to heat. The numbers they advertise are not real. I made a LOT of money repairing the entire line of Denon products, most of them were 2 years old or less. They dropped like flies, not a good product. So back to the numbers after testing a unit(amp,receiver) I would burn it in on the bench for 8 hrs. The test rig I used showed their numbers were less than half of the posted ones🤔🤔🤔. And now you are still seeing/hearing the same results, I can only say Denon needs to go back to the drawing board and redesign the line again. Don't rush to be the first slow down and make it better, more reliable. Then...... well it maybe worth another look at that point. Until then its a good door stop is what they have. As for your reviews good job
@MADTURK61372
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know. I have 11 years old Denon 3311ci, it's abused a lot and still runs like a beast.
@StreetComp
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned an S960H for about 3 months now and after owning several AVRs in this price range over the years find it works and sounds fine so don’t let this review scare you off if considering. No 8k content out there so just Denon marketing bs. I will be getting new Xbox/PS5 video game consoles and S960 has some features I wanted for those but I haven’t tested them yet. Running my Oppo 105 signal thru it to Epson 4010 projector with 5.1 speakers sounds amazing - using the Denon app on iPad gives you a great remote control with a lot of useful info and can tailor sound to however you like. Maybe I got lucky but mine doesn’t get very hot - the same or maybe a bit cooler than the Marantz and Pioneer AVRs I had previously - and I switch between TV Audio and Heos Spotify all the time using the iPad app and have never had a shutdown. As for the two channel sound quality that’s subjective and everyone can have diff opinion but I’ll say that quality is exactly what would expect for $649 usd and again it’s very easy to tailor the sound to your liking. I haven’t owned the other current AVRs mentioned so I can’t say whether they are better or sound better but the S960 is certainly worth a look if want an AVR in this price range.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the S960H, I really appreciate it!
@StreetComp
4 жыл бұрын
Surprised you had such a bad experience with it though my expectations were pretty low. My Marantz SR5006 that just suddenly stopped working musta been a real piece of junk! And really I wanted an AVR with HDMI 2.1 so choices were very slim.
@fleetfut423
10 ай бұрын
What is the point of 8k when most content isnt even in 4k.
@nickmcconnell1291
8 ай бұрын
Hmmm can you say "3D blue ray"?
@Blubberbernd69
3 жыл бұрын
I recently ordered the receiver after watching your video and thought I'd just take a chance. I paid close attention to the problems you mentioned (unbalanced, digital sound, high temperature, etc.) and could not find any such irregularities or problems with a Teufel Ultima 40 5.1. system with downfire subwoofer. The receiver remains warm to the touch, after calibration and a few manual settings, the system sounds very powerful, precise and clear even in the mids and treble. However, it is a receiver of the modelseries from 2021. Also, several firmware updates were installed before further adjustment. I also had a Yamaha RX-V-6a for direct comparison. But I let this receiver go back, because I actually liked the sound of the Denon a little better. Still, I think it's good that you made this video. I guess that - as is unfortunately often the case in the technology sector - the model range was simply not yet balanced, or else there were problems with the design that have now been eradicated. As an example: I currently have a QN95a (QN 90a in the US) from Samsung, which unfortunately has problems in the direct HDMI feed (without AVR) and occasionally shows black screens due to poor HDMI timings. The OCB gets hot a.f. Also, my panel unfortunately has illumination issues. Unfortunately, the customer nowadays is often a "beta tester" of the products.
@LongDono
3 жыл бұрын
As someone looking and struggling to find a receiver in this price range, I appreciate hearing your experience. Thanks, appreciate it.
@wyattparnell2412
2 жыл бұрын
Just picked up this reciever today it was the only one in stock near me that I could buy for Christmas and after seeing his review I thought I'd regret my purchase and so far not the case first impressions were great very well balanced sound and absolutely incredible surround balance. I had a Dolby Atmos Sony receiver before this one and this reciever has a lot better clarity and bass as well as customization. I'll agree the menus are a weak point but still better than what I had. I'll comment again once Ive had more time with this reciever. Has ur guys experience still been good?
@Blubberbernd69
2 жыл бұрын
@@wyattparnell2412 Indeed, still a very balanced and good Sound for the price. Would definitely buy it again.
@stereosteveo
2 жыл бұрын
@@wyattparnell2412 Hi Wyatt. Curious to know how it's holding up. Thx
@coreyg2725
3 жыл бұрын
What av receivers would you recommend in that 650-700 price range?
@Wolfpack-N
3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Robinson I have the new Denon X3700 and think it is very good overall. I only have 3 issues: -One going between inputs there is a definite lag. Nothing that really bother me, but I know it is there. -Two the menus look like poop juice (but never really thought about it because after setup I don’t really use them) -Three it is very hot which concerns me and I am looking at an AC Infinity Aircom Things I really like: -I love the HEOS app, Apple air play, built in WiFi less wires are always a good thing -At 50 (goes to hundred) for well mastered audio it’s really loud so I usually listen between 35-45 for everything -video pass through -9.2 channel right out of the box -zone 2 support (going to put a couple of in ceiling speakers on my back porch) -All of my sources (5) are fed into the receiver and fed out to my Ben-Q HT3550 everything looks awesome obviously it isn’t 8K. I have it back further than what is suggested and it makes an almost 175 inch (larger than suggested) and it looks awesome! I am also a noob I’ve never owned another projector, this is my first receiver, and home theater setup but it definitely sounds great overall. For certain music (high energy jazz for example) you can get some listening fatigue. I assumed that was due to my Klipsch Synergy F2 which is a “known” complaint. Setup Denon X3700 Ben-Q HT3550 Klipsch Speakers -Synergy F2 (Front) R34C (Center) -R51Ms (Surrounds) -RP250S (Rear) -R41M (Front Height) -R120SW (x2) Bought everything as used like new, open box, amazon return, or on sale. I am well $4K for everything and that includes the 12GA CL3 speaker cable, banana plugs, switching to short plugs on everything, sockets, etc etc Have you tried the higher versions to see if they are different?
@Wolfpack-N
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if I mentioned I am a noob
@johncarlson5708
Жыл бұрын
I haven't experienced anything you're describing; I have the exact same receiver. I use it mostly for home theatre entertainment. even then It does better than most surround sounds and sound bars. I recommend setting your Htz and levels manually like the old school filters. It likes power, but all around a good receiver. If you are looking for volume and power this receiver is not for you.
@SpecOfTech
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your honesty in this one, thanks for the review. I imagine the higher tier models would perform much better...but curious to know!
@Matteo77777
4 жыл бұрын
$650 for 8k? No wonder it sounds like garbage. Instead of a long list of features, how about producing a unit that actually sounds good?
@edithboozy1000
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking
@FURognar
3 жыл бұрын
The 8k is not that big of a jump. It just requires implementation of HDMI 2.1, which of course they fucked up, but that wasnt Denom or Yamaha's fault. That was the chip manufacturer of the HDMI boards.
@lakkchina
3 жыл бұрын
I will not listen this review. I just purchased this model. This Denon is plenty of technology and they improved this model for 2021, also they fixed the HDMI 2.1. Some firmware update have addressed several issues. At least they fixed the HDMI bug in hardware not do it in the Yamaha. Amazon buyers review gave better review to this Denon model than Yamaha closest competitor. Andrew you should ask for a fresh updated unit and renew your thoughts. I believe Denon will hate your review specially when Yamaha is getting worse customers reviews and you put this product in direct comparison.
@ChatGPT1111
2 жыл бұрын
How did you know everything about what he said.....without listening? Nice try though.
@ChogTheGreat
2 жыл бұрын
I mean: "I will not listen to this review" *proceeds to berate what they believe is in the review* .... Something doesn't quite add up here 🤔
@cimmeriian
2 жыл бұрын
I have this device and I listened to and watched the review. I can't say I agree entirely with what he has to say and there weren't any scientific terms applied which I could work with ... but I will say I definitely understand the vague, "It feels like you have to force it into action" part. There's just one big thing I have to call out as being wrong - just wrong, LFE's should "never" sound as if there's a direction, so if it sounds like it's coming from your neighbors, you did it right. At the very least it should be indistinguishable at first glance / notice / hearing / etc. Anyway, I'm hoping it's my speakers but Denon has been updating it consistently although I haven't ran into the device shutting off, I have ran into it not switching right away. I have to push it a few times. Anyway - as for the sound again ... I have to push it higher than I felt I had to before ... but let me explain where I'm coming from ... I'm coming from whole speaker setups instead of an AVR with speakers. So the power output is often higher on whole setups but nothing the Denon can't handle. I have the Logitech Z-5500's and Klipsch Promedia 4.1's. Basically a mix of 4 ohm and 8 ohm speakers all which get less wattage than the Denon can pump through them at their impedence. The only thing I have noticed even when mixing and matching between systems is the Klipsch sats sound better and I feel because there's a tweeter and a mid-range. This made me consider the best sounding speakers I had were the least expensive and only two channel. But it had 3 speakers, tweeter, mid, low and were floor standing, not sats by any means. So, since I don't get free or test AVR's but I know my audio / video and more speakers is better than less speakers, I'm hoping getting a good set of at least 2 floor standing speakers is the way to go. With that said, I got this refurbed and my main reason was legacy awesome devices I'm not letting go of. This was the only one w/ 2 component and 2 optical which is exactly what I needed. It's been a damn good ride actually. I will 100% give him the, spice it up a bit rant (i.e. #fax). It's a good company, and these aren't inexpensive devices most people have anyway. I get the menu, it's like apple - nice and simple and to the point ... *but* I spent money on this puppy and show me what I'm in for - give me a fancier "test your system" section, a picture slideshow, a 30s clip, no need to have like 40 GB / TB worth of media. But something to show me this is the good stuff. You know, like ... just google "Simpsons Funny THX" - something like that :-)
@bikdav
3 жыл бұрын
Do not apologize for your review. You were very forthcoming about this receiver. Brand new products are not always “the best.”
@cwgreen416
4 жыл бұрын
Bold! I appreciate the honesty in the review. Not in the market now (love my Yammy RX-V1085) but receivers I find challenging. Do you go bleeding edge to try and stay in front of changing technologies or go with something tried and tested and forego some of the new bells and whistles. I'm more of the latter. Thinking back, the AV in my receiver is one of the few pieces that has been turned over regularly every few years. Are you sure that was thunder, or was that the sound of the Denon marketing reps storming your house!
@josephchamberlain3681
4 жыл бұрын
Good job! If you dont occasionally take something to task, then folks start questioning the good reviews for authenticity. At least I do. You've always been forthright, though I've seen an occasional softball, and that's one of the reasons I keep coming back to your videos.
@daveclark8337
4 жыл бұрын
I remember folks spending a premium for those 'Future proof' receivers marketed as '4K Ready" around 6 to 8 years ago. And then HDCP 2.2 came along and those receivers became premium paperweights..
@bobdigi500
4 жыл бұрын
There's litterly no point going 8k. By the time 8k is on netflix, game consoles, tv and, well that's it, as there will probably be no 8k blurays, the current 8k receivers will be old as fuck and require upgrading anyway! And upscaling to 8k via a receiver is ridiculous.
@markroze3641
4 жыл бұрын
Most people want it for its 4K 120 FPS capability for the new game consoles. Current 4K receivers only allow 4K at 60 fps.
@bobdigi500
4 жыл бұрын
@@markroze3641 Next gen will likely be a choice between 4k 60hz or perhaps 2k 120hz but I get your point. But you could just pass images to TV and sound to receiver!
@PardesiCooking
4 жыл бұрын
It's been week I am using this receiver with wharfedale having no issue bass is very deep, clarity no issue, it's good as denon,but I agree its getting bit hot other than that no issue even when you play as stereo.
@Rockhurst22
4 жыл бұрын
I recently installed the new Denon 3700 which replaced an old Pioneer and now I have horrible hum. I've tried all the tricks to try and isolate / fix it but I ordered an ART T8 hum eliminator / isolation transformer which I hope is my holy grail to fix the issue. If anyone else out there is having the same issue please let me know your experience or thoughts. The issue quite literally stems from the Denon as I did not have any hum from the Pioneer. The hum gets lesser when setting the Denon into all pre out mode turning off the internal power supply but otherwise the hum is bad in both cases and downright LOUD with the internal amp turned on. As for the heat comment in the video, I measured my Denon 3700 under normal operation with a FLIR temperature reading and it was 175 degrees under normal operating conditions of just watching KZitem or idling. I'm sure under all channels driving / home theater usage it could get hotter.
@Rockhurst22
4 жыл бұрын
I wanted to update others on my hum issue. I tried every trick online has to offer to fix a ground loop hum but the issue really did originate from the Denon 3700. The only solution that worked 90% of the way was to put a grounding wire between the grounding pin on the Denon to the grounding pin on my external amp as the Denon is only a two prong unit and therefore isn't grounded. I also had to unplug / re-plug and turn on everything after grounding the units together for the connection to really work. So in grounding both the Denon and the external amp I fixed it mostly. If I put the Denon into all Pre-amp mode i got it to 95% satisfactory.
@williss9995
3 ай бұрын
Thank goodness for reviewers who offer an honest review about an av receiver rather than rattle off a feature list without ever providing insight into the product! Feature lists are important but so are value, quality, capability, reliability!
@phonatic
4 жыл бұрын
I really take my (imaginary) hat off for this honest review. It certainly takes some courage to give a negative review even when it's necessary. No hard feeling against Denon products in general. ;)
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
I assure you I was not trying to score any "points" with this review in the eyes of viewers (or members) like yourself. I've been at this a long time, and honestly, it's rare to have an experience this poor. Denon is still a GREAT company, with great products and good people behind the wheel, this piece was just not a great example of the work they're known for. Thank you for watching!
@phonatic
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Well, I have no doubts in your honesty. That's what I really like with your channel. Thanks!!
@dannydoyle8731
4 жыл бұрын
damn, that's a brutally honest review. I hope it doesn't burn any bridges with Denon (Denon: Andrew is dead to us.) :) Denon AVR runs hot, at least in my case of 4300h. Heat would cause HDMI issues, like randomly switching to other HDMI signal sources midplay without me asking it to. Though easily solvable by adding active cooling, my behaved like it should after I placed 2 cooling fans designed for desktop computer cases. Not ideal, but solvable problem.
@dannydoyle8731
4 жыл бұрын
but no, I won't pay top dollar for a new AVR if I had to babysit its heating issues, unless the audio is really great, which, this isn't. so...
@PWingert1966
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for alerting us to the heat issue. I am in a small apartment that is regularly over 80 degrees Fahrenheit due to being a south-facing exposure. It picks up sunlight in the morning till about noon and then proceeds to hold it throughout the majority of the day. I am already having issues with computers overheating and dumping more heat into this environment is simply not acceptable. So I will take pass on this unit.. The sound qualities also are not suitable for a small 19 x 22 room with 8-foot ceilings and thin walls.
@compunerd
4 жыл бұрын
My yamaha a3080 is so good that I thought it was storming outside my house lol
@radiorexandy
4 жыл бұрын
WOW! You really kicked them in the butt! My faith in you as a reviewer has been renewed :-) I used to think you never reviewed a product you didn't like. Not anymore!
@norwegianblue2017
2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised to hear such a negative review of the S960H. I got a 760H about six months ago and am extremely happy with it. Running Paradigm Studio speakers and Velodyne sub. It replaced a THX certified Pioneer Elite receiver which was 100wpc and I have owned some decent Yamaha models before that. This is my first Denon ever, so I am no fan boy of the brand. At first I thought it sounded flat, but after doing the Audyssey room correction it sounds 100% natural, detailed and very musical. My non-audio friends even commented how good it sounded when listening to some live concert footage from Porcupine Tree. (They had all heard my previous system, which was also room-corrected.) While it may have a little less oomph than my old Pioneer at volume, it sounds amazing at any kind of volume level that I would play it at. It is so detailed, I find I tend to play at lower volumes than before. The remote is incredibly user friendly compared to the other brands. Considering I paid $450 for my Denon from Costco, couldn't really ask more from this receiver.
@steverinaldi890
2 жыл бұрын
I bought the same and it replaced my Pioneer Elite VSX-92TXH. It also powers my Paradigm Studio 100’s and actually does well considering the Pioneer was 110 watts/channel. I’ll see how this performs over the next couple weeks but so far it’s an improvement over my Elite for my current setup.
@charleswilliams8368
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I bought one at Costco a few weeks ago and it sounds surprisingly good. I'm just using it as a stereo at the moment. Probably sound great with a few more speakers added.
@dennistomsen5822
4 жыл бұрын
Gutsy review, Andrew - I like it 😁 The "storm" you can hear in the background is likely the angry mob from the Sound United marketing department 😂
@KristiWright
4 жыл бұрын
You have no idea.
@donjohnstone3707
4 жыл бұрын
I love to hear the odd negative review, which shows the integrity and value of the channel, through Andrew's independent and honest evaluation of products.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
That's kind of you to say, but I don't believe integrity should be earned solely through negative reviews.
@dallase1
3 жыл бұрын
As far as heat is concerned, I have the AVR-787 and when I first got it I noticed it ran a lot hotter than my previous "Stereos" I've had (Including a NAD Integrated Analog AMP("Stereo" With the AMP and PreAMP in one box) and a NAD Analog Receiver (Integrated AMP with FM Tuner) so I ended up installing a Computer Case fan in it and wired it to a 12 volt Wall Wart plugged into the AC Switched out port on the back of the receiver and it made it run a lot cooler, about 92 F out of the top vents at the hottest point of the case.
@quikksilver8
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this review! I recently purchased this unit and couldn't describe it any better myself. I thought it was just me, so it was really nice to hear someone else experience the same exact thing.
@reddragon9708
2 жыл бұрын
I have this reciever also and hate the thing. We're can you go to sell it to someone else who will hate it later?
@Movie16Master
4 жыл бұрын
I've been wanting the 8K version of the x8500h. I currently have an onkyo receiver that only supports 1080. With everything becoming 4K and starting to move 8K it has been a real hindrance with video. Great review. It definitely gave me assurance to just wait a bit. First gen anything seems to always suck.
@FURognar
3 жыл бұрын
The X8500H itself is supposed to be getting that upgrade no? If it does you would have to send your 8500 in to get the HDMI board switched out.
@thegrimyeaper
4 жыл бұрын
Refreshing to see this man describing bad sound for a change.
@NCGryphon
4 жыл бұрын
I bought a Denon AVR-X2500H two years ago after my previous receiver, the Yamaha RX-V583, bit the dust. I had heard good things about the receiver and the company of course, but after using it for a few weeks returned it for a Yamaha RX-V685. The Denon that I picked up was very much how the Denon was explained in this review. The Yamaha has a warm more natural sound, plus the MusicCast app is much more robust than the comparable Denon app.
@NosEL34
2 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard this model but I do have the basic S660H model, same Line I believe. Other than their 90's tech looking set up screen, my experience is the exact opposite of yours on the S990H. Seemless HDMI switching..just an audible CLICK lets me know it did it's job. The streaming capabilities are just great. Upscaling is improved on my 4k TV running thru the receiver, hopefully in the future the 8k input-outputs will serve a purpose. The gaming thru this AVR works smoothly as well. It's no high end piece of stereo equipment but didn't notice anything wrong or missing with the sound. The streaming sounds great. Didn't feel that digital sound you heard. I did think the mids were a little grainy in the center channel for TV, but I bought a new center and that fixed it. The 660 is almost half the price, although I believe it offers more wattage..but no height channels, pre-amp outs, and its only a 5.2...but for the price I thought it was a score. It's not the best at everything it does, but it seems to do everything well. A real AVR for cheap
@audigex
3 жыл бұрын
7 channels... are they really expecting 8K early adopters to be running 5.1.2 or 7.1 setups? At the very least, surely 7.1.2 or 5.1.4 is an absolute minimum requirement for next-gen tech?
@mrjm6752
3 жыл бұрын
most people use a soundbar, even with big avr.
@yenaing9175
4 жыл бұрын
I have returned Denon AVRX3700H with 8K because of HDMI switching problem, but my start as soon as you turn on the receiver and Apple tv, with projector, Optoma cinemaxp1
@gavriushka
4 жыл бұрын
That’s actually how I chose my Sony DN1080, the magnolia store in town had an entire wall of receivers, and when they used the Sony with Klipsch R-820F towers, it sounded really good. But then they used the Denon AVR2600X, and it didn’t sound near as good with the same speakers. Besides the fact it was $300 more expensive. So I went with Sony and couldn’t be happier.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
That Sony is a great buy still, not shocked at all that people continue to love it the way they do. Thank you for watching!
@gavriushka
4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Robinson your review of it was also the reason for purchase, so there’s that! Great video man! Keep up the good work!
@TheJester134
3 жыл бұрын
I owned a Denon receiver, and it was the hardest thing to program I've ever used. I'm in the industry, and I actually know what I"m doing. That device was maddening and it didn't sound very good. Very harsh in the upper midrange for movies and Music. I replaced it with a Yamaha and have never looked back. Under $2500 they kind of own the market in ease of use and sound quality. I believe that Andrew just proclaimed the Yamaha RX-A3080 Kind of the Hill. . Remember that Sound Concepts own Pioneer, Marantz, Denon, and Onkyo. It is a matter of time before they are all using many of the same prts. That's the way the business works. Anthem, Arcam, NAD, and a few others are the next step above the mid-fi listed above. Good luck with whatever you choose! Variety is the spice of life!
@PetrKrenzelok
3 жыл бұрын
Yamaha A3080? That's pretty expensive kind of a kit, isn't it? :-) Imo the side should test at least the x3700h, not this one. I think that reason why pppl are buying Denons, is that for the 60% of the price, I have bought the x3500h, which, feature wise, was comparable to A1080. Well, tbh though, I am not fully satisfied with the sound of Denon for the stereo. I was thinking about looking into a Yahama again, but will wait if there is new A1080 replacement in the new A design. 1080 is kind of dated nowadays, isn't it?
@rickvanderspek5867
3 жыл бұрын
I own a Denon AVR-3806 and I agree that it’s very difficult to program, but it sounds fantastic!
@thehifiwifiguy
4 жыл бұрын
I have no clue why 8K is even a thing for screens smaller than 120"
@Microwave414
4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter the TV manufactures have decided to shove 8k down everyone's throats so you will end up getting one without even looking for it. The jump from 1080p to 4k was debatable, though this time there really is no debate. I don't plan on jumping to 8k anytime soon myself, there is no content and I don't see content being available till near the end of the decade. 4k is only recently in the last year or so everywhere enough that you can actually find content for it but I now don't blame people for not buying 4k movies when obviously they will be shoving 8k everywhere soon enough and even then, what's next 12k, 16k being announced? It's a never ending cycle and sometimes you have to wonder is it better to just go outside and enjoy that. It's certainly cheaper.
@dragonislav984
4 жыл бұрын
@@Microwave414 8k does offer advantages beyond only its resolution though. I'd imagine when streaming services begin offering 8k content in a few years itll be at a significantly higher bitrate than 4k. It will reduce compression artifacts and colour banding. Just look at youtube. even on my 4K TV, 8k content is noticeably clearer due to the downsampljng and higher bitrate. I'm not saying it's neccessarily worth buying an 8K TV right now, but it does add tangible value to the watching experience. Even though 8k is currently an ultra premium product that doesnt make it stupid. As technology improves itll eventually trickle down to the mainstream more as it decreases In cost. Early adopters always pay more, and this jump is happening because theres already a market for even better TVs. There are already 8k capable video cameras and computers for editing, so content will come. 12k cameras already exist. Personally I'll stick with 4K for now. I cant wait for the age of 8K streaming though, and once prices approach reasonable levels I'll consider buying an 8K display. For anybody arguing that I wont be able to see a difference, I enjoy sitting about 2m from my TV and having the image fill a lot of my FOV. I recognize there is a point of diminishing returns with increasing resolution, but getting annoyed by consumer technology improving seems ignorant. Better tech means existing tech gets better for everyone.
@tony9554
3 жыл бұрын
@@dragonislav984 "in a few years" is the operative phrase. There's limited 4K now as it is. What will 8K discs cost considering the current price of 4K discs now
@jjchmiel78
4 жыл бұрын
WOW! I have an older Sound United Marantz SR6012. It replaced a Onkyo RZ720. I found the sound far superior and none of the issues you are reporting. Several of the AVS users use Denon and Marantz and praise them. I wonder if you got a bad unit?
@davidTantra
Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤ Hi Andrew, Thank you for your educated reviews and great presentation style. I'm a disabled senior who lives for music and streaming Symphony videos. Yesterday I purchased the DENON AVRS970H and stopped short of opening the box after seeing your review of its predecessor, AVRS960H. Is it possible that the AVRS970H has cleaned up your significant concerns? I own a wide array of speakers, including mom and dad's 1972 Empire Grenadiers with their 12"downfiring 18lb. magnet woofers. I've been powering them with mom and dads 1972 Harman Kardon Nocturne 330, that I believe I may have overloaded during a powerful organ pedal transition. Clarity and pure sound are my goals, and, when you mentioned grainy and digitized sound, it really raised my concerns. I hope the❤❤❤❤ will get your attention. You seem to be an honest and trustworthy guide. best regards to you and your super cool wife! namaste, david
@henrymuniz1872
3 жыл бұрын
Can it be the speakers? I have this receiver with Klipsch Speakers and sounds awesome.
@johnfuentes7086
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed I have this receiver powering all Atlantic Technology speakers / subwoofers in a 5.2.2 system and sounds awesome !!! Had a Yamaha RX V6A before this Denon on the same system and the Denon in my opinion is so much better. Sound quality on Denon better then the Yamaha all the way around. Denon also able to drive my system to higher levels then the Yamaha.
@ruitcys
3 жыл бұрын
This is the S960H , what about the x2700h is it any good or you'd avoid?
@mikegallagher2732
3 жыл бұрын
HEY andrew, GREAT review on the DENON !!!! I am STILL TO THIS DAY loving my AVR 5805 !!!! HOLY HELL ...what a MONSTER..
@ramondelgado6778
4 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! I did not see that coming from Denon. I have a 20+ year old AVR3300 and a 3200 that I occasionally throw into my listening rotation and just love the warm, musical sound, STILL. Thank you for this honest review. I'm still looking for that one piece that can do all and sound great too, just for 2 channel listening. Soo far the Marantz NR1200 and the Marantz PM7000N are my front runners. What are your thoughts? Love your work!!!!
@MizeryMachine
3 жыл бұрын
8K aside, what many people are missing with HDMI 2.1 capability is 4K @ 120Hz, which definitely is current tech. I would like to know how this AVR handles 4K @ 120Hz.
@danyalreyaz7503
3 жыл бұрын
4K @ 120Hz 4:4:4 is supported by the 40gbps HDMI 2.1 port which this does have, so as long as you have a compatible device (a new console or one of the newer graphics cards in your PC) then theoretically it should run. Also, you're only missing out on anything if you play games. If all you watch is movies and don't have / want to / plan to get an 8k TV anytime soon then this device is as worth it as its predecessor
@gizzy2403
4 жыл бұрын
It almost sounds like this Denon is defective, like it's not decoding properly or something.
@FURognar
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah something happened. The X3600H was widely reviewed as the best receiver the year it came out and almost everyone is saying that its successor, the X3700H is a significant downgrade. So something happened.
@FranJMartin
3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I was almost secure of purchasing this a/v receiver for my first Home Cinema setup. I thought exactly what you said.I thought 8K should be more future proof but at the end of the day, the most important part is the sound. You saved me a lot of money but you just has give me more confusion in my decision right now so... thank U!! hahaha
@edithboozy1000
3 жыл бұрын
Still rocking my 5308ci flagship. Things were never the same for receiver manufacturers after 2008
@Tom-sd2vi
3 жыл бұрын
Thats a nice receiver. I agree with the 2008 statement, my 2006 marantz SR9600 is not going anywhere either.
@edithboozy1000
3 жыл бұрын
@@Tom-sd2vi 3d was the beginning of the end.
@irisfailsafe
4 жыл бұрын
Very good review. It is hard to see an honest review done by a normal knowledgeable person. Nowadays they are either cheerleaders for the manufacturer or magic cables idiots who claim they can hear the differences of electrons moving through different metals.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
We've gotten our fair share of "cheerleader for the manufacturer" comments and I stand by those reviews the same as I do this one.
@irisfailsafe
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewrobinsonreviews That is normal. We all like some Brands more than others and that is OK because we are who we are. But when your team plays awful you can also say it
@Mr_HC
4 жыл бұрын
LMAO 😂 😂😂😂
@danf321
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure why the negative reviews of this Denon S960H. I just purchased it to replace my old Yamaha RV1000. I only have a 5.1 setup. The Denon sound so much better, it’s not funny. Much better Dolby Surround separation. My Denon speaker setup software worked perfectly and it found out phase problems. My old speakers sound 100% better. Great separation, great definition, great bass. But, I have all video sources connected to my TV. The Denon speaks to my TV and all HDMI DEVICES, so why do I need a receiver to process video? Maybe you’re mad at Denon because they didn’t provide you with a test receiver?
@Steve-nk5sz
3 жыл бұрын
It's good to talk about what came before, open mindedness, and just cause it seems like every one is doing the same, not everyone , is doing the same, it's good to keep options, YOU DO A GREAT JOB, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! DO WHAT U DO AND DO IT YOUR WAY!! it's appreciated , I've learned alot from watchn
@usa68355
4 жыл бұрын
I currently own the 2020 Denon 4700(30 lbs) and I can tell you it is not of the same quality as my old (2003)Sony ES STR-DA5ES(44 lbs)
@jamesgotto2960
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honest review Andrew.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Lindsey.
@MikeC9903
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought this AV receiver (Dennon Avr-s960h) 2 weeks ago and have been watching 4K HDR Dolby Atmos movies off Amazon since, thinking about how this sounds better than all my previous AV receivers (1 Sony, 1 Yamaha, 2 Onkyos and a Teac). Then I watched this video review. Oh noes! So I turned my 65"LG Oled on and watched the next episode of Jack Ryan. Pfttt! What is this guy smoking? It sounds awesome! I tried my best to notice the negatives he mentioned and couldn't. Maybe (it could just be my imagination) this Dennon isn't quite as crisp and defined sounding as my Yamaha, but I would have never noticed (if it's even true). It does sound like it has a stronger surround sound capability. All I know is that it's my favorite AV receiver yet. Why is he railing on it because they didn't include 8K video content as a sample? Just open your KZitem app on your TV and BAM! Endless hours of 8K content to explore. That right there tells me this fluff nugget is being way too critical throughout this review. I would definitely not dismiss this receiver based on this review. I'm super happy with mine. Had he not considered that maybe he got a lemon?
@MrWu1f
4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the down to earth and honest review Andrew. I wonder who the audience is for this receiver? If you're spending the kind of money required for an 8k TV, you're probably at least buying an X class Denon receiver.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
I think there is definitely a market for this receiver, arguably a larger one than costlier receivers, which is why we were keen to look at it. This receiver will likely outsell its X Series counterparts 2 or 3 to 1.
@mattgiunt
4 жыл бұрын
This is a great review because its an honest appraisal of a piece of new equipment by a reviewer. Will become very controversial but that's just what the world of hi fi needs. Some of these big companies that were once great have taken the cost cutting route and its good to see one is being held accountable here.
@quantumdecoherence1289
3 жыл бұрын
So basically, this product is a piece of shit. Thanks for the honesty Andrew
@Mjaybird
Жыл бұрын
I have had this receiver for about a year and a half. I have Jamo speakers like you do in the video. Jamo s83, s809 and c912. I think it sounds good and used the audyssey app. You just told us the negative and nothing positive about it. I never had it overhear or turn off while switching
@sharifamily5364
Жыл бұрын
Buy cheap pioneer and see the difference. You’ll never go back to Denon
@Mjaybird
Жыл бұрын
@@sharifamily5364 why pioneer?
@sharifamily5364
Жыл бұрын
I went from Sony to onkyo to Denon to Yamaha to pioneer!! It’s the best 💯
@Mjaybird
Жыл бұрын
@@sharifamily5364 that is your option, my denon works great with not many issues and has audyssey
@peterwood2633
4 жыл бұрын
Denon you can also use as a hot plate! I demod against Denon found the high treble brittle with no texture. Got an rxa 3070 Yamaha, 19kg, massive, runs warm not hot like Denon. Looks like a real piece of equipment not a toy.
@greebuh
4 жыл бұрын
And I'm glad you didn't bow to Denon and make a fluff piece inflating their ego. And thanks for taking the time to out the video out and not just hide it away. It's a vield sounding, uncohesive space heater. And the 9 series and 7 series has always been like this. Before I bought the 930h a couple years ago I had a 730 for about 3 days before it fried and almost caught 🔥
@AKisbetterthanyou
4 жыл бұрын
Really interested to see your review of one of the X series receivers x3600 or x4600 for example.
@StuartKicks
4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos, thank you for uploading. These 8K ready receivers are basically useless. I have an older Denon that was 4K ready and although it does pass through 4K it isn't 4K compliant so some connected devices won't play 4K to it. Disappointed with your discussion on the sound, it's very subjective, it would be better if you discussed sound objectively with testing. Describing sound as textured etc comes across like you have golden ears.
@johnortlip1140
4 жыл бұрын
I own both Denon and Marantz products. They like to be at the cutting edge of technology, which I respect, but oftentimes you get burnt if you're to early of an adopter, both technically and financially. Once bitten, twice shy (or more)
@davidstirsman6169
4 жыл бұрын
So appreciate HONEST reviews. I've loved Dennon equipment for years, but if they're slacking and trying to make a quick buck because the tech is still so new....then THANK YOU for calling them on it.
@terry7893
7 ай бұрын
A SEEMINGLY never ending 18 minute video comparing 2 receivers. Trust me, cut it down to 4 minutes, okay?
@FastAndFuryosa
2 ай бұрын
If it’s 18 minutes how can it be never ending?
@terry7893
2 ай бұрын
@@FastAndFuryosa You got me there. I changed it to seemingly never ending.
@diskreet
4 жыл бұрын
I'm blown away by your impressions. Seems so out of character for Denon. Was the firmware up to date? Think you got a bad unit? The X series seems to be doing very well in measured tests, so I wonder if it's isolated to the S series. Whatever the case, thank you for the honesty on this one.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
Firmware was updated during testing and the unit was operational. We are hoping to find out if the X line performs differently!
@tobytaylor9036
4 жыл бұрын
Oof, Andrew, you did not pull your punches. I appreciate it. It goes to show you won't gloss over things. If it's a bad product, you'll say it. Would love to see the critics show me who else will do this, because I don't think I've ever seen such an honest review for a physical product, like, ever. Also, I think Sound United need to take a lesson here about why you'll see the top of the line item reviewed, usually, that being because you'll get all the bugs in the entry. To deny the 6xxx-series, for example, or the 8xxx series to a reviewer with nearly 100k subs is very shortsighted. That said, the units may not even exist yet...
@Otter1950
4 жыл бұрын
I don't see the reason for anyone to spend the money for 8k. By the time 8k in anything a/v is affordable for the masses, they will come out with something else that's suppose to be the next greatest thing to buy. There's still a lot of room for more 4k videos to rent or buy. As for audio, 8k doesn't do anything for that. A waste of money for me. I'll stick with my Pioneer Elite SC-LX-701 4k and high resolution audio paired with my B&W 683 S2s, M1s for the rear, the HTM62 center speaker and ASW608 sub. Gives me everything I need or for that matter everything I'll ever need at 70 years old. And that brings me to you Andrew. I have been watching your videos and subscribed a long time ago. I have yet found any reviews on Pioneer receivers or any of their products. Pioneer is literally the Pioneer in a lot of audio and video equipment. While audiophiles won't even think of mentioning their name , I have been using their receivers since analog surround sound came out in the early 90s. Their Elite line of equipment is hard to beat. Just sayin. 😁😁👍✌
@jimgardner5129
4 жыл бұрын
Hey. I own a Pioneer Elite Class D receiver and I'm completely blown away by its sound. The dynamics are fantastic. It's the bees knees, to the point I don't think I could ever improve upon it enough sonically without spending upwards of $10 Grand. No thanks! IMHO, anything else up to that point is just bells and whistles. Who needs that?!?! Used to have a Pioneer plasma display, too. However, one of components within eventually died and is no longer available for repairing. A sad day. Plasma displays are no longer produced. :( Hope you're enjoying yours!
@64A64B2WEST
3 жыл бұрын
I have 2 from Denon and i must say this guy is telling the truth, as when you change AVR from Tv to Game or Media it doesn't work, as it doesn't give sound output until I Restart the AVR, after that all works fine, I have one 8k model and one 2017 model(4K) after taking 8k my old 4k model is much better in performance wise.
@PWingert1966
3 жыл бұрын
The shutdown when switching is a super hard no go for me. I expect my 60 y/o grandmothers to be able to use this. Having things shutting down when switching makes this untenable for her. She has a low threshold for technology as it is.
@michaelwright1602
3 жыл бұрын
Very few of these AVR units are suitable for the grandmothers, most of us have a helluva a time figuring them out ourselves. I wish the hell these manufacturers would bring back a simple classic design like from the 60's and 70's, the wood cabinets and sexy front control faces. Bass, Treble and Midrange knobs, clearly marked, you know what I am talking about. Plug and play and easy to operate.
@69Dartman
4 жыл бұрын
Well I upgraded to a old Denon 3808ci from a Onkyo 898. It sounds really good till I try to run any hdmi based audio content. Unfortunately I can't even try to fix it because they disable online updates for anything more than 10 years old so I can't try a newer firmware update to see if it fixes the logic issues with the advanced 7.1 sound modes. The normal modes that work on digital coax and optical inputs all work and sound fine. I certainly hope Denon is treating the newer gear better than this early hdmi power house. If anyone reading this has an idea how to fix the issues I'd love to hear about it. Luckily I was given this receiver so I'm not out any money so far.
@0303stuba
4 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, a very interesting review - thanks for your forthright opinions - this is how reviewing should be. Here in the UK I had a small issue with my (quite new) amplifier and took it back to the point of sale - the excellent Richer Sounds. While they serviced it they very kindly loaned me a Denon DRA800 amplifier to get me by. All I can say is that I was So happy to get my own amplifier back! Always enjoy watching - keep up the great work. Cheers.
@astrotrance
4 жыл бұрын
I saw a review by "Home Theater Hobbyist" of a more expensive Denon from last year, and he thought the same thing about the sound....until he realized after auto-calibration it defaulted to it's "reference" mode, which was a steep roll off of treble, intended perhaps to imitate THX cinema modes of receivers of the past. I'm not saying you didn't do a thorough review, because we all know you always do, but might the reciever, unbeknownst to you, been stuck in some weird mode that was ruining the sound? I'm sort of hoping that is the case, rather than a venerable brand like Denon, with a reputation for excellent sound quality, putting out a $600 giant P.O.S. Regarding 8K, by the time 8K is THE standard, as in you can turn on the Discovery channel or its streaming equivalent and know the nature documentary you're watching is 8K....I fear my eyesight will have degraded to the point where I won't be able to appreciate it. Sad for me.
@andrewrobinsonreviews
4 жыл бұрын
Nathan, I appreciate and understand your concern. To be 100% clear, I ran Audyssey MultEQ over a dozen times with 5 separate speaker systems and/or speakers themselves. Then I ran it four more times from the MultEQ App. I am aware of the steep roll off that Audyssey likes to use, which is why I also carried out evaluations of the Denon's sound with all Audyssey curves and whatnot defeated. I also conducted listening tests in the direct sound modes as well, which should apply ZERO corrections etc. I also did multiple factory resets of the unit as well as (I think) two firmware updates. But to the last part of your question, had the receiver been "stuck" in a mode the user themselves didn't want that would still be a fault with the receiver and thus cause for alarm or criticism, would it not? Lastly, I hold NOTHING against Denon, nor Sound United. I still think Denon is a GREAT BRAND and just think that, for whatever reason, this product, the S960H specifically, misses the mark. I have no opinion or thoughts on any of the other 2020 models at this time. Thank you so much for watching and for your question.
@capohd28
3 жыл бұрын
That explains a lot. I found high frequency response lacking after Audyssey calibration. I'll have to revisit it.
@josep.3364
4 жыл бұрын
What a strange review, this channel doesn't appear to be very small, yet the review is purely opinions based no microphone, no graphs, just words, not using math in 2020 ? And since when do receivers get even warm ?
@fp3359
4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the honesty. I have a plus 30 year ild Denon; the AVR 1000 with "Dolby Surround". Speakers: IQ Gent M & Mordaunt Short center plus rear speakers. I'm still very happy with it. Prefer to listen stereo classical; the IQ's are top imho and the definition from the Denon is very good. Note: made in Japan & round transformer inside. Your review 'amplifies' my doubt to invest in nowadays stuff.... Denon or some else. To end: I never buy any high costly product 'made in China c.s.'
@JamesWard3
3 жыл бұрын
Andrew, love your reviews. I watched your video right after I purchased this unit in July 2021. I think they heard you loud and clear. While running thru the setup, there was a firmware update, that changed the GUI interface. I want to hope there was a tuning improvement as well. I did find the overall sound a bit vague, coming from a punchy Mid 2000s Sony unit. I watched a couple of other reviews about using Audyssey. Did you try using the iPad app to make more fine tune adjustments. I was able to alter the curves to my liking and got some nice results. I think it’s worth revisiting. Although I would say doing the curve editing is more than most are willing to do. It should be better out of the box, and without a $20 app.
@joseantoniosuarez5753
4 жыл бұрын
There's a little of resent here.
@Antimonkat
4 жыл бұрын
This all sounds very surprising especially considering their reputation. I can't imagine this functions like this on purpose and mace it through qa. Sounds either faulty or pre-release firmware issue that maybe got through/was rushed. Personally I'm going with last gen flagship to save money. Don't need 8k dts-x pro or latest bluetooth
@GenX_US_Marine
3 жыл бұрын
It baffles my mind that these receiver companies are promoting 8k. 4k is just starting to full surface. I will not buy anything 8k until it becomes readily available. Next, Denon, I never owned a Denon receiver, I am a Marantz person. I have a Marantz slim receiver. It doesn't put out 200 watts a channel, but I'm getting around 90-100 watts with my 4ohm Martin Logan speakers and the receiver set to 4 ohms. It sounds good to me. Along with my 2 12inch Klipsch subs action movies, general TV watching has opened up. The dialog on my Martin Logan center speaker using my receiver is phenomenal. It's clear, crisp, and loud. I've heard good things about Denon, but I don't know if I will ever own one.
@monkeymouse1403
3 жыл бұрын
Marantz and Denon are the same parent company - many products are more identical than you think. But I agree, 4K is barely out there - other than TVs, so 8K is pushing the limits of consumerism.
@GenX_US_Marine
3 жыл бұрын
@@monkeymouse1403 My Marantz receiver is very quiet. I had a Onkyo before and it wasn't quiet. The heat sink was making noise or something in the receiver was. I was told there was nothing wrong with it. I don't know if Denon receiver's are quiet like the Marantz are.
@JD-wy4ti
3 жыл бұрын
Hard to argue with an honest opinion, this will grow your channel
@shaunrichards744
4 жыл бұрын
Wow you really gave a lot of negativity about this Denon model, just been browsing the websites and it has a lot of reviews mainly by users though with 5 starts has great sound so although it's not to your taste it may be to many. So the only way is to listen for ourselves before proceeding with purchase. Anyway i know i won't be bothering because i trust your reviews. Happy owner of a Marantz SR6014 receiver.
@Bodhished
4 жыл бұрын
First, 95% of people are looking at 4k 120 not 8k from these. I thought only the x2700h up has 8k 60hz not this one. Please get x series to review. Thanks
@NeilBulk
4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible you just got a lemon? The powering off when switching inputs is a flaw that I can't believe got out.
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