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@joshuataylor3550
7 ай бұрын
It should obviously be legal. Legality doesn't encourage behaviour. Everyone makes their own decisions.
@albertmassaquoi1539
7 ай бұрын
Do Hispanic Christians vs Hispanic non Christians next video
@turdrhinofiend
7 ай бұрын
should women have a say in foreign policy considering it is men's bodys who will be sent to war?
@joshuataylor3550
7 ай бұрын
@@turdrhinofiendget a life
@yahia9481
7 ай бұрын
Do UBI middle ground (if it s possible)
@treborking11
7 ай бұрын
Getting a moderator was a great move
@ST0RYZ-s9i
7 ай бұрын
Definitely, before it was way more messy
@palemoonlight96
7 ай бұрын
Agree, so many debates here have been undermined by fanatism in the past and it's great that someone helps minimize that
@GEN
7 ай бұрын
thanks for watching and appreciate that. hope I was able to moderate both sides to give equal opportunity to present their points
@imdva
7 ай бұрын
@@GEN i really love your platform, dont stop doing unbiased content we need so much more of it!!
@chloemango3
7 ай бұрын
Disagree, you snowflakes ruined Middle ground
@John-River
7 ай бұрын
Shoutout to Jubilee for listening to the audience and getting a moderator. It’s essential for debates like this.
@sameeraakkena
7 ай бұрын
Gen was also the best person for this.
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
Fr I love that he stops them talking over each other whilst also encouraging them to consider their argument from a different viewpoint
@barry963
7 ай бұрын
Yeah but not for a civil debate...@@sameeraakkena
@GEN
7 ай бұрын
@@sameeraakkenathank you - appreciate your support
@GEN
7 ай бұрын
@@Random-sk6hmit’s all about challenging both sides as equally as possible to consider the other side
@pho3beisaqt
7 ай бұрын
even though i didnt agree with every argument, everyone was surprisingly really well spoken
@TeenageDirtbag8
7 ай бұрын
Agree
@Kingofthenet2
7 ай бұрын
Definitely
@drilltime1237
7 ай бұрын
The mexican chick was BRAINDEAD
@agnossienne
7 ай бұрын
i really don't like how cat pressed ezequiel to answer her questions with straightforward answers so she could get a 'gotcha' on him and his stance would look weaker, and then when ezequiel asked _her_ a question looking for a straightforward answer she danced around her response exactly how she criticized ezequiel for doing. it pissed me off.
@SolitudeVolante
7 ай бұрын
I feel for her daughters, they are gonna be the ones having to deal with that behavior
@wildninjaturtle6715
7 ай бұрын
OK calm down
@AJ-lm5dl
7 ай бұрын
@@SolitudeVolante Well, at least they aren't dead from abortion.
@KCDCish
7 ай бұрын
Maybe they should have answered the question then 😂
@Afrogirrl
6 ай бұрын
They both shoudkve answered the questions properly. It’s not that deep 😂
@GEN
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I really enjoyed hosting/moderating this episode. Would love to hear all your thoughts on this topic 👇🏽
@depressed-artist
7 ай бұрын
Amazing job as always Gen!!
@hc7092
7 ай бұрын
You are fit. What’s your type?
@titanjoc
7 ай бұрын
Congrats on the progress of your channel!
@a.kenneth3521
7 ай бұрын
You’re a great moderator! You might consider clarifying each side’s stance on the topic at hand before beginning the prompts. This one got a little rough when trying to discern who thought what on each side. I understand a united front on an issue isn’t possible (or wanted), but the Pro-Life group didn’t understand what Pro-Choice means, and the Pro-Choice group couldn’t pin down what the Pro-Life group meant. Interesting conversation, though!
@rashirashi04
7 ай бұрын
💀@@hc7092
@imsavannahschmidt
7 ай бұрын
I’m not for abortion but I didn’t like when the woman said that the woman’s body isn’t getting hurt. There can be so much trauma and pain that comes with pregnancy. So I think we really need to have empathy for these woman. It’s a hard choice. We don’t need to tell woman that it’s no big deal to choose life. For some it’s a huge deal and it takes a lot of bravery and strength. 💕
@twilightknight2333
7 ай бұрын
A healthy woman's body is built to give birth, if your body is being destroyed by the natural process of pregnancy and birth, then there's something wrong you that you need to have checked out before you have any more children.
@talkingtochapri
7 ай бұрын
Facts 💯 Pregnancy damage women's body drastically, some lose their ability to control pee, it reduces women's life expectancy, it's the most painful thing women experience, it's equivalent to breaking multiple bones at once, bleeding for months, etc. This is why women gets annoyed when males who can't even have the ability to give birth are talking about it. To be honest, if males were capable of giving birth and bringing a life, there would've no such discussion, there would've been clinics everywhere. And it has been legal for years, suddenly these people became religious after male loneliness pandemic 😂 i wonder why
@cman04
7 ай бұрын
Abortion is about hurting another body - not the woman. Letting a pregnancy continue would affect a woman's body, but that's the opposite of abortion. It's a nuanced difference.
@Iamanicajean
7 ай бұрын
@@talkingtochapri Again the choice to lay down in bed and get pregnant was their choice. It’s all down to a choice. None of this would happen if you didn’t choose to lay down and unprotectively. it’s 2024 why can’t people be responsible and use protection like it’s seriously ridiculous that we’re still having a talk on how to make sure you don’t get pregnant. yes, there are people who can’t control her pee and guess what there’s tons of people who weren’t pregnant that can’t control their pee and guess what there’s medication for that discharge for that etc. again getting pregnant is a choice. No one forces you to unless you were raped if that’s the case that’s a different circumstances but it’s not what we’re talking about here.
@favourito
7 ай бұрын
@@IamanicajeanBut not every pregnancy is as a result of sex being unprotected though. I understand consequences however this is a bit like saying that people who drive choose/expect accidents. It's something that can happen of course, but it's not that simple. Accidents can still occur in spite of how careful one is/precautions taken. I'm not referring to those extreme cases about rape etc.
@demonicchild475
7 ай бұрын
It’s very refreshing to see two disagreeing sides have a respectful conversation. That’s very rare nowadays.
@anemonalazeta3368
7 ай бұрын
the pro-lifers always kept cutting off the other side though so how is that respectful
@senguy
7 ай бұрын
@@anemonalazeta3368 it definitely could have been a lot worse, i think everyone was mostly respectful especially given how different our positions were
@PROVOCATEURSK
7 ай бұрын
All the pro-lifers would like to became dictators and rule over others.
@noellefitchett
7 ай бұрын
Everyone was really nice, it was great to be a part of this.
@amandaplayswow
7 ай бұрын
this is literally commented on every video lol. clearly people have respectful conversations
@breezystl777
7 ай бұрын
Would love to see actual medical professionals discussing both sides of the argument. They're the ones with the best and most accurate information, and are the actual ones involved with patients going thru these choices.
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
Exactly, as someone who works in the medical field there are statements made by the pro-life side in this video (and a previous Jubilee video) that were medically inaccurate. Claim: A foetus has a heartbeat at 6 weeks Fact check: No, while cardiac tissue starts to pulse at around 5-6 weeks of pregnancy, registering as a heartbeat on the ultrasound, the heart has not developed yet. The heart begins to develop at 10 weeks (when it becomes a foetus) but the 4 necessary chambers that are required for a hearts function are not developed for another 7-10 weeks. Therefore, a foetus has a functioning, beating heart at 17-20 weeks (American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 2022; American Medical Association, 2022; National Health Service, 2022; World Health Organisation, 2022; Golding, 2022; Greene et al, 2019; Mcdonald, 2019; Smyth and Kimberlee, 2021; Anderson and Anderson, 2009; Heaney, 2019) 'The sound heard during ultrasounds at six weeks is entirely manufactured by the ultrasound machine, It’s an electrical pulse that’s translated into the sound we’re hearing from the ultrasound machine' (Verma, American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 2022) 'The term 'fetal heartbeat' is pretty misleading' (Kerns, UCSF, 2022)
@nectarshrub
7 ай бұрын
Any medical professional who is anti-choice shouldn't be licensed. Abortion is a medical issue. If they care so much about the ethics of it they should be in politics or law, not medicine!
@somemedic8482
7 ай бұрын
@@Random-sk6hmso the question still remains, when does life begin? Conception? Cardiac activity?fetal movement? Heart beat? Birth?
@dorcaskayira3362
7 ай бұрын
So medical professionals can’t have a freedom of religion too? If their faith is against abortion, they can’t have the choice to not supply the service and refer to another medical professional who can? So much for advocating for choice! Am so glad I’m a medical professional in a country where my religious freedoms are respected and I too have a choice!
@xvgm24
7 ай бұрын
Why would a medical professional be pro-life? lmao
@ryleemathis8867
7 ай бұрын
I don't think, "If Adele can have a baby and still win a Grammy, why can't you?" is a very fair argument. One thing that wasn't really talked about was economic circumstances. Yes, the quality of life for the child is important but the quality of the mother's life is also important, if not MORE important bc her quality of life directly impacts her child's. Abortion won't get a woman out of a DV situation or cure her depression but having A BABY certainly will undoubtedly make those situations much worse.
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
No innocent human life is empirically more important than another
@CooperJW13
7 ай бұрын
@@aidanaldrich7795 agreed. That's why, with your point, it can't be said that the life of the mother is more important than the life of the child. Another point I want to make is, there is no economic status that trumps life status.
@stardust6870
7 ай бұрын
Also, didn't Adele basically leave her husband and baby because she said she got married and had a child too young? She even wrote a song about that.
@msnewsenior
7 ай бұрын
@@stardust6870She didn’t leave, it didn’t work out and they mutually agreed to end it
@stardust6870
7 ай бұрын
@@msnewsenior Ah, okay. My wrong. I remember reading those articles years ago, but it was probably taken out of context.
@simplyalex11
7 ай бұрын
Red jacket needed to be checked by the moderator. She kept cutting people off 🤣
@dendelion8410
7 ай бұрын
@@noellefitchett Girl, youre responding to all the comments calling you out, maybe stop being so insecure and pipe down next time youre on a show
@SolitudeVolante
7 ай бұрын
Her and Cat where the WORST I feel for their children
@brightshining
7 ай бұрын
Debates are tricky - you get so fired up sometimes because you are responding passionately - interrupting doesn't have to mean any intent :)
@sugarbirb5145
7 ай бұрын
@@noellefitchett you seem super calm by this response
@lukerobinsonmedia
7 ай бұрын
Jubilee tells people on Middle Ground that they are free to cut others off
@introvertedbean13
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1661">27:41</a> “You’re not answering the question” And YOU’RE NOT actively listening.
@jessi-tp9fr
7 ай бұрын
and then she didn’t answer the question he asked her later on and said idk it’s hard 😭
@TJrules299
7 ай бұрын
She’s ridiculous. She is trying to set him up which is why she’s doing this. It’s pretty ridiculous.
@Lonnielonni
7 ай бұрын
She was looking for something to call him out on not listening to understand and it was obvious
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
She was looking for a 'gotcha' moment and failed
@No-Lie-I-Want-To-Die
7 ай бұрын
Women ☕
@MiguelLopez-wh6nw
7 ай бұрын
I love how Jubilee has taken advice from viewers to adjust their platform. I’ve been watching since the beginning and I remembered making comments to put subtitles on the leading questions. Shortly after, you made that adjustment.
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
Fr, the subtitles, moderator, fact checks etc. Even this video idea was suggested in a previous comment section so big up Jubilee.
@rosee8140
7 ай бұрын
Middle ground has changed so much over the years and it's mostly been viewer suggestions, been nice to see!
@GothicConservative
7 ай бұрын
They fact checked using “New York times” that’s not a fact check. New York Times is very bias. They need to be better with that.
@JustGigi319
6 ай бұрын
It's simple. As long as women are the person carrying a pregnancy and risking her life/health to do so, it is HER choice and hers alone. She is not required to be an incubator for a pregnancy she does not want.
@tonyonaperky2128
2 ай бұрын
I beleive this is true, but we must make it fair, by offering men the option to bow out financially. If your decision to abort is yes, he has no choice. If she agrees to keep it, it must be his choice whether or not to help raise it.
@lt4651
7 ай бұрын
Pro choice is not against pro life. Pro lifers are the ones against pro choice. Pro choice is the do what is best for you crew. You choose life we for it, you choose the alternative we empathize with you.
@echomoon4693
7 ай бұрын
Exactly!! Thank you so much for saying it. Pro-choice people just want everyone to have the option to do what they want and what is best for them. Pro-life people are simply trying to force their reality (often a privileged reality) onto other people they know nothing about
@Whirlbee
7 ай бұрын
Yuuuup
@mo.ka.9661
7 ай бұрын
@@echomoon4693you don't want to aborted kids to have choices. Pro lifers include the unborn in that "everyone" umbrella
@echomoon4693
7 ай бұрын
@@mo.ka.9661 as they aren’t people yet- of course they don’t get a choice. If it has to use the body of an unwilling person to live, then it doesn’t get the choice. A person who has feelings, thoughts, opinions, fears, and a life of course should get to make the choice
@mo.ka.9661
7 ай бұрын
@@echomoon4693 Of course they're people A person who has feelings, thoughts and opinions has the agency to use protection and has the obligation to care for the little ones that they cause to be dependent upon them
@GorgieClarissa
7 ай бұрын
as a survivor of child abuse... i am 1000% pro-choice. i would rather have been aborted than endured over 10 years of physical and emotional child abuse. using a story of adoption of someone who grew up in abuse and then to turn around and say ''isn't that life worth something'' what kind of life is an abused life? no child deserves that. if my mom wasn't a selfish POS.... i wouldn't be here today in pain without a childhood and memories to happily look back on. forcing someone to give birth doesn't do that child any favors.
@AJ-lm5dl
7 ай бұрын
Yet, you're still here and haven't aborted yourself. What does that tell you?
@taliaward8789
7 ай бұрын
I’m so sorry that happened to you 😢❤
@mo.ka.9661
7 ай бұрын
Why are you still here?
@JohnjOcampo
7 ай бұрын
Disgusting human being. "Oh hey, i rather be dead because life got extremely hard."
@AJ-lm5dl
7 ай бұрын
@@doordashdelivery Abortion is always child abuse because it's the process of literally abusing a child to death.
@jamesfarrier8985
7 ай бұрын
We all agree we wouldn't shame... As one person calls them murderers...
@bellam7504
7 ай бұрын
forreal that girl in the read jacket keeps saying murderers…. jeez she’s insufferable
@azayzelderegis1655
7 ай бұрын
“We wouldn’t shame the women who have abortions” and yet they want to throw them in prison. Make it make sense??
@danceforjb
5 ай бұрын
Being pregnant has only made me even more pro-choice. Forcing women to go through pregnancy and birth is cruel and if men did it, this wouldn't even be a conversation.
@aidanaldrich7795
5 ай бұрын
How can you have a human inside you and think "Yeah, this little thing shouldn't have any human rights at all" 🥴
@Black-Circle
5 ай бұрын
disgusting
@nope19568
2 ай бұрын
@@aidanaldrich7795because they understand that if you kidnapped someone and forced them to undergo what happens to a person during pregnancy that they'd be charged with many horrific felonies and its never okay to put someone through that pain
@coneyandfriends3618
2 ай бұрын
@@nope19568Y'all always do this. No one in the US is kidnapping women and forcing impregnation. 99% of the time, the women take the risk on their own and get pregnant.
@cherrychopsss
2 ай бұрын
@@coneyandfriends3618not on their own actually but I’m sure you know that. Rather than saying it’s solely on a woman maybe let’s start pushing for male birth control as well
@rachelkubicek1993
7 ай бұрын
One important argument that I’m disappointed the men didn’t communicate, probably bc they don’t have to think about this, is the fact that some women just don’t want to go through pregnancy itself. That’s the major importance of having a choice to not be forced to have your body give birth. While being able to bear children is a literal superpower, and even removing the scenarios with societal/economic strains influencing the decision to have an abortion, if a woman doesn’t want to put her body through pregnancy, she shouldn’t be forced to!
@abbeyplankinton4481
7 ай бұрын
Exactly thank you! Some women don’t ever want to have kids and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use that for the pro choice argument. It’s like people can’t even consider the notion that a woman doesn’t want to be a mother. Then of course the pro-lifers would say ‘just give your baby up for adoption’, if I don’t want to be a mom, that means I don’t want to be a mom in any way. Even if it’s a closed adoption, there’s still a possibility that child could find you one day. And that child would also have to deal with the emotions caused by their bio mom not wanting them
@Whirlbee
7 ай бұрын
This! Its not something I want to put myself through & I don't want kids anyway, that should be enough reasoning
@AJ-lm5dl
7 ай бұрын
@@Whirlbee Then be responsible and don't get pregnant in the first place.
@tessaelto1472
7 ай бұрын
@@AJ-lm5dlWorry about yourself and use a condom. Not that you get close to any women
@mo.ka.9661
7 ай бұрын
Why not?
@muzii3137
7 ай бұрын
What we want is the ability to CHOOSE!
@Taromilktea1995
7 ай бұрын
I don't understand why ppl care so much about what others do with their body even if you follow a particular religion. I sometimes feel like people have brain rot or something honestly.
@goman335
7 ай бұрын
People of a religious faith more than likely believe that every human being has intrinsic value. That means that no person including one tat isn't born yet should suffer an unwarranted death. It's the body of another human that they want to protect. What you said is the same as a slave holder that didn't believe their slaves were people. "Why do you care what I do with my property?"... well because they're a person who deserves to live their own life.@@Taromilktea1995
@apollooncancr0_876
7 ай бұрын
It's funny, it's as if a colonialist said it was his choice to have a slave or not. Whose choice is it?
@smelly1060
6 ай бұрын
@@apollooncancr0_876coconuts and potatoes are the same thing to you huh ?
@apollooncancr0_876
6 ай бұрын
@@smelly1060 no arguments? the usual.
@samuelito8929
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1775">29:35</a> “After that who’s helping” As soon as he agrees with her she says “well there is support”. Lmfao come on now.
@savannahrichardson254
7 ай бұрын
The blatant hypocrisy isn’t even funny anymore. It’s like they are so grounded on the moral aspect of it that they don’t care about the person making the choice at all. Notice how most of this conversation surrounded the topic of the fetus rather than the person carrying.
@chelcroodzant
7 ай бұрын
It’s Chelsea from the vid! There was A LOT that was cut - this was a four hour process 😂 we did list a lot of organizations that’s support the mothers and children post birth. Also our credentials - a lot of us volunteer or work for orgs that support them post birth
@estuardo937
7 ай бұрын
She was asking where’s the support on the pro choice side for women that choose to have the baby, he asked where’s the support on the pro life side and she said there is support
@savannahrichardson254
7 ай бұрын
@@erinnelson3395 😂🤣yeah sure. Explain then
@savannahrichardson254
7 ай бұрын
@@erinnelson3395 me saying that the conversation should be prioritizing the pregnant person instead of the fetus makes me seem ignorant…? Did you even read my comment lmaoo
@rodrigoesc3747
7 ай бұрын
This was genuinely one of the best Middle Ground episodes I’ve seen cuz despite a lot of opinions being shared, some of them they didn’t agree and even I didn’t agree either, everyone was extremely respectful and tried to see the point without geting heated or trying create conflict. A lot of these there’s always someone that’s there looking to fight and to shame the other side, whereas here everyone was informed, respectful and imo attempted to see and truly find middle ground with the other side on this topic
@abhaybehera4464
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="596">9:56</a> I'm not gonna lie this feels really distasteful
@jamestaylor378
7 ай бұрын
If you think a child is being murdered, there is no convincing pro choice argument.
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
W
@anonymousbo0318
7 ай бұрын
Factually, they are. All the flowery language is meaningless. Just be realistic about it, instead of attempting to be everyone
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Which is the case
@Octobre1986
7 ай бұрын
Then you did not listen. There is even euthanasia and death penalty in several countries. It's the necessity people convinces.
@whatoh3407
7 ай бұрын
Pro-lifers: "we shouldn't shame women for abortions" Pro-lifers: "you MURDERED a baby"
@annaleigh2413
7 ай бұрын
I genuinely feel like the amount of speaking from one side is not equal to the other. i appreciate a moderator but there were many many times where a specific person was unable to express their opinion and cut off when another had been speaking for a significant amount of time. I disagree that this video is well moderated, as I do feel one side got to speak their point while another did not in the same amount.
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
You can only make it so fair without setting time limits on speaking
@simplyalex11
7 ай бұрын
agreed! a simple “let this person finish, then you can speak” would have sufficed!
@ravendawnhead97
7 ай бұрын
Just because we can point to certain people and situations where people make it, that doesn’t justify forcing a person to gestate and give birth.
@zanderdoyle2449
7 ай бұрын
What are they gestating and giving birth to?
@vckaspar2367
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1182">19:42</a> I respect Nick for moving so that he could allow one of the women to take his place so they wouldn't have to walk around everyone for a free seat. I doubt anyone really noticed but it was nice to see. A real gentleman.
@mackenziesullivann
7 ай бұрын
The pro life woman at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1775">29:35</a> arguing that there is no support for women that choose to have a baby after having a baby literally proves the whole pro choice argument 😭😭
@Melissa-xo6xm
5 ай бұрын
It’s so ironic and she doesn’t even see it, the fact she said there is support and yet didn’t name any organizations
@bw2532
7 ай бұрын
@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1796">29:56</a> “I think we all agree, we would never shame someone who has an abortion,” 5 min after trying to tell the dude, “don’t you want a voice to tell people it’s immoral to have an abortion after 20 weeks?” 🤡
@interludekatt
7 ай бұрын
didn’t they call women that have abortions murderers 😭like 10 mins before smhh
@senguy
7 ай бұрын
@@lilliekaypowell the original conversation was like four hours long, and a lot of stuff unfortunately had to be cut
@bw2532
7 ай бұрын
@porter9494 cool. She wants to shame women getting abortions past then for whatever reason after saying no woman should be shamed. The topic is her hypocrisy. You can have the 20 weeks comment in another thread that’s relevant ;)
@porter9494 No it's medically and scientifically a fetus until birth.
@shadejustcant
7 ай бұрын
Saying womens bodies aren't the ones negatively affected by pregnancy diminishes women who's bodies have been negatively affected by pregnancy. Live in reality ❤
@Alina-zx6nn
7 ай бұрын
Yeah😩 Of course woman‘s body are impacted immensely by pregnancy😭
@kaylanicole5126
7 ай бұрын
I hate how everyone wants to say life begins at conception. First of all the pregnancy hasn’t even started at conception or fertilization so how did life start. Pregnancy begins at implantation but again it is not necessarily the same thing as life. So many people are so uninformed it makes me want to scream😖
@Ryan-gx4ce
7 ай бұрын
As a male, I would happily take a pill if it prevented my spouse from getting pregnant. Totally 100% onboard. Where is it?
@PROVOCATEURSK
7 ай бұрын
It´s called a red pill and vasectomy.
@katieo.6066
7 ай бұрын
They are working on it!!!
@csoniah4432
7 ай бұрын
@@katieo.6066 they have been working on it for a long time now , it's been more than 5 years I've seen news about male control pills or male control injections and I don't see it anywhere or being talked about
@josephdahdouh2725
7 ай бұрын
Prevent the female from getting pregnant is different then abortion though.
@Ryan-gx4ce
7 ай бұрын
@@josephdahdouh2725 I know. I'm responding to the very first conversation they had. Also, than*
@senguy
7 ай бұрын
thanks everyone for watching! i'm sorry if i didn't do the best job at representing the pro-choice movement, it was my first jubilee video and i was on like 3 hours of sleep lol. hopefully we all sounded mostly sane. props to production crew for making this episode happen!
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
Wait u was in the video?
@cat.professor.
7 ай бұрын
You did a great job. So happy I got to meet you.
@robyn1042
7 ай бұрын
I wish you and the guys got to talk more! You guys articulated yourselves well
@yota8325
7 ай бұрын
@@robyn1042they probably did talk a equal amount it's most likely in the edit. This is why jubilee should have a raw channel where all the content could be posted
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
Nah bro you were articulate, eloquent and did the pro-choice side justice.
@alovehotel
7 ай бұрын
There is no way they are thanking his birth mom for birthing him and then abandoning him… they are simply thanking the mom for having a baby she didn’t want…
@Nymeria64
7 ай бұрын
I mean she obviously wasn’t the greatest, but I’m glad she didn’t terminate the pregnancy otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten the chance to become who he is.
@alovehotel
7 ай бұрын
@@Nymeria64 but THANKING the mom???? That’s crazy weird
@Bianical
7 ай бұрын
OMG i thought they were thanking his mom for adopting him, NOT HIS BIRTH MOTHER!! that is genuinely so crazy
@alovehotel
7 ай бұрын
@@Bianical yeah!!! Exactly!!! I was like why aren’t they thanking the parents that adopted him instead??!?!?
@Nymeria64
7 ай бұрын
@@alovehotel yeah it was a bit odd, I’m not sure if it was the editing. His parents are the ones that should get kudos for raising him and being there for him, not the person that abandoned him
@FreeZeMaN555
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2127">35:27</a> "You're gonna bring this child to term no matter what? DO YOU! But don't force that on other women". This perfectly summarizes my opinion. What does me having an aborting is going to affect YOUR life? Having a baby will greatly affect mine! So much for the party of "freedom"...
@ariela_
7 ай бұрын
You do have freedom tho. If you are choosing to have a active sex life then take precautions if you aren’t ready for a child. “Don’t force that on other woman” nobody is forcing them to have sex and keep the baby. Yes the extremes are happening and those require different conversations but we’re talking about the general cases where abortion happens
@FreeZeMaN555
7 ай бұрын
@@ariela_ Freedom to what? Isn't the pro-life argument that once you get pregnant, no matter what, you have to carry to full term? And obviously you should take precautions, no one is having abortions for fun...
@whatoh3407
7 ай бұрын
This country was founded on liberal values. The idea of the free individual able to think for himself without an authority above him. Why is it so hard for people to understand LIBERTY!!!
@kaylajohnson4867
7 ай бұрын
So is advocating for stricter gun laws wrong if you see people dying around the nation even though you never had any personal connection to them and their family? You have to understand that pro-life people have compassion for all human life at any stage. Yes, you having an abortion wouldn’t affect anyone but you and maybe your partner and close family, but pro-life people automatically put value on any human offspring and therefore do care when someone decides to terminate a pregnancy.
@meepmeep3308
7 ай бұрын
@@kaylajohnson4867 horrible comparison. I could get harmed or someone I know. Abortions can't do either.
@adric9246
7 ай бұрын
I'd love to see this exact video topic with OBGYNs
@NicolasDoebelin
7 ай бұрын
really loved this episode how everybody was respectful and giving each other a hug at the end. also props to the moderator
@daphneelemieux
7 ай бұрын
I think the best argument for the pro-choice side wasn't said but is as Doctor Mama Jones really well put it we would never force a parent to donate an organ even for their child once it is born whether it is now a toddler or an adult even to save their life. we can't expect that from expecting mothers.
@parke6704
7 ай бұрын
I do not consider myself pro life but comparing donating an organ to giving birth is not the same. And getting an illness which requires a new organ is not a choice while having sex and risking getting pregnant is (excluding rape)
@soft-spun
7 ай бұрын
@@parke6704As long as the child isn't an adult who caused their need for an organ - it is equally their parents fault for choosing or risking to have them and creating their need for the pregnancy or an organ to live. So the parental duties should be the same. Kidney donation mortality is comparable to pregnancy, and way easier biologically and psychologically across factors, so it's an overly fair comparison at that.
@echomoon4693
7 ай бұрын
@@parke6704the point isn’t to get hung up on if it is or isn’t like donating an organ. It’s to say that, legally, one person cannot be forced to use their body to keep someone else alive. This is the same scenario. You cannot and should not be forced to use your uterus to sustain another being that you did not consent to having
@Callisto_52Hz
7 ай бұрын
@@parke6704 learn how analogy's work. yall are so exhausting
@parke6704
7 ай бұрын
@@echomoon4693 but by having consensual sex you are consenting to the risk of having a kid. You know that even if you use birth control or condoms there is a chance you can get pregnant. You are consenting to take that risk
@rolewis13
7 ай бұрын
Abortions isn’t a government issue. Also people need to stop trying to rule over others. The country would be a better place if if everyone mind their own business. Someone choosing to have an abortion doesn’t affect me in the slightest same as the pro-life crowd.
@anonymousbo0318
7 ай бұрын
Factually untrue when these people want support to do these procedures. You goof. Otherwise they'll argue that only the wealthy could do it. I don't have any desire to pay more for women who I didn't even screw around with and the bad decisions she and her partner made for themselves.
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Actually it is the governments main job to interpret human rights
@AJ-lm5dl
7 ай бұрын
You'd be a slave owner with that argument.
@CoolDude-m2c
4 күн бұрын
@@aidanaldrich7795yes which is kind of part of the problem
@aidanaldrich7795
4 күн бұрын
@@CoolDude-m2c It's the inherent flaws of all governments
@fetB
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="575">9:35</a> being abused is "not the best circumstances"? I genuinely dont understand how someone can say stuff like this with a true heart. This is evil
@rishichandra253
7 ай бұрын
I feel like an interesting one would be pro-life feminists vs pro-choice feminists.
@menabiss321
7 ай бұрын
It always bothers me, the whole "isn't the child's life still worth living, no matter the circumstances" argument. As a person suffering from heavy depression and having suicidal thoughts, i am so, so, so conscious of the fact that life isn't always the most precious, the most valuable thing that people often make it out to be. In an ideal world - sure, it should be. But we don't live in an ideal world, and sometimes choosing life for a person is just choosing suffering. People don't like to talk about it, because of how terrifyingly final death is, but cases like this exist - when forcing someone to live is a cruel, compassionless choice. Like, this is why euthanasia is a thing. And with abortion, when the life in question is not current, but future, when the person who's life it would be can't decide for themselves, the fact is - it is always a gamble. It is always you deciding for them if their life will be worth living. You can estimate, but you don't really know. That's why i think it is thoughtless and uncaring to give either choice a moral superiority, which is what pro-life people are basically doing. Just thought it needs to be said, since this argument is so rarely challenged.
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
Which side is u on?
@menabiss321
7 ай бұрын
@@colonelsanders5278 you mean pro-life or pro-choice? i'm pro-choice.
@echomoon4693
7 ай бұрын
@@colonelsanders5278also why would it matter what side they’re on? These facts are relevant to both. It’s extremely pertinent to remember that life can be more cruel than death in lots of cases.
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
@@echomoon4693 I was curious
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
@@menabiss321 ew
@mickeymoose9368
7 ай бұрын
“Allow the child not to be born in less than optimal circumstances”……..implies that the child has another chance at being born in the first place. It implies that there is, down the road, the option for that particular child to be born with optimal circumstances. Dude, the baby is dead when it’s aborted and it’s not getting a second chance. Side note: If this guy said that in front of someone with disabilities, he could be cancelled so fast 🤦♀️.
@loirenmarie5551
5 ай бұрын
this lady said even if it’s not the best circumstance ( in referring to abuse ) you should still choose life. You should still protect that life.
@DimesDCP
7 ай бұрын
As someone who gets their news from multiple sources - the service from Ground News is awesome. My worry is: a big chunk of Americans *want* to hear what their side(s) only.
@zakbarilow9136
7 ай бұрын
Overall a lot of great points were said from both sides and it wasn’t messy and filled with ad hominem attacks. Great job to everyone involved. I loved that Gen was moderating. I wish there were moderators in each of the heavier topic ones.
@ryanpercival9823
7 ай бұрын
Gen being a referee has improved quality of conversation so much.
@sakuraseranipoji
5 ай бұрын
red jacket can NOT let anyone finish their thoughts
@5xmasterx548
7 ай бұрын
The simple fact that life begins at conception is something that everyone ignores.
@denzellmovies
6 ай бұрын
That is just the life of tissue, not the life of a person
@ElioAurum
5 ай бұрын
@@denzellmovies When does the tissue become a person?
@denzellmovies
5 ай бұрын
@@ElioAurum I'd say it's a gradual process, so there is not one specific moment you can point to at which personhood is formed. But I don't believe it makes sense to call a fetus a person before the brain is capable of consiousness, which is the last few weeks of the second trimester
@jhoso7126
7 ай бұрын
The moderator really cleaned up the previous messy debates
@maleahj308
7 ай бұрын
No he didn't towards the end all the women were talking over the men
@eunicegogbeu6921
7 ай бұрын
I have a question for y’all, at what time in history were the systems perfectly fit for women to have children ?
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Never? Always? Nonsense question
@hazeljust7001
7 ай бұрын
Children don’t need perfect systems. They need community, stability and love. Some people just aren’t able to give that for whatever reason.
@javiersanchez1218
7 ай бұрын
Heavy nuanced topic, everyone hugged it out at the end. Well done
@adrielshotthis
6 ай бұрын
Crazy that “should men have a say?” Is a question
@zayian3
7 ай бұрын
My wife is at 17 weeks. It is a very developed baby with a heart beat.
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
Do you know the gender of the baby yet ? ❤
@zayian3
7 ай бұрын
@@CherryDreamer96 find out next week!
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
@@zayian3 thats wonderful! 💕 Congratulations,
@jasminem7827
7 ай бұрын
Recognized Ezequiel from his wife’s TikTok!! Their story is admirable 🙌
@MsDudette21
7 ай бұрын
lol Christopher Hitchens was pro choice. He believed life begins at conception but was still pro choice. But somehow I think Cat knew that but had to create her narrative anyway.
@ciasparkle2533
7 ай бұрын
I find it exhausting when I hear these arguments. I think I want to hear more about mandatory child support amongst unmarried couples at birth. Quality child care and post pregnancy care. Quality mental health care. Revised divorce rulings/alimony. More benefits for married couples needed parental assistance. We can talk about abortion till we are blue in the face and get nowhere. Can our country actually care for underprivileged people to bringing life in this world.
@grreeeeee
7 ай бұрын
not as long as there are single-issue voting republicans. lots of repubs are repubs because of abortion. it's ridiculous.
@musicplug1730
4 ай бұрын
mandatory child support? FOH. If you cant afford a child keep your legs closed. its that simple
@ciasparkle2533
4 ай бұрын
@@musicplug1730 apparently you don’t know how to pull out only reason you mad… it is easy for you dusty dudes to tell someone to keep their legs closed when men who have no business trying to open them.
@opossumboyo
7 ай бұрын
If you do not support abortion, but also do not support Sex Education with an emphasis on ways to avoid pregnancy, then you are not morally consistent. No, telling people not to have sex before marriage is not sex education.
@zairemonite4931
7 ай бұрын
No person should govern what women want to do with their bodies period. I’m hearing a lot of anecdotal stories but that won’t be the experience for everyone. I’m glad that they chose to have their babies but don’t push it on other women, thank you.
@kalamari3288
7 ай бұрын
Women can choose not to have unprotected sex. That is the choice with their bodies. Once they get pregnant, it is not just their bodies.
@zairemonite4931
7 ай бұрын
@@kalamari3288 Women don’t just get pregnant from unprotected sex. Just saying
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
Who should govern the body that isn't the woman's?
@dahliaherrod4301
7 ай бұрын
@@zairemonite4931 I mean technically its all unprotected if you're not abstinent. You're just lowering the chances of catching something or getting pregnant if you use birth control
@zairemonite4931
7 ай бұрын
@@dahliaherrod4301 People can get pregnant even while using birth control or victims of SA. To be fair it’s none of anyone’s business what women want to decide. It’s not your body and not your life.
@Random-sk6hm
7 ай бұрын
Claim: A foetus has a heartbeat at 6 weeks Fact check: No, while cardiac tissue starts to pulse at around 5-6 weeks of pregnancy, registering as a heartbeat on the ultrasound, the heart has not developed yet. The heart begins to develop at 10 weeks (when it becomes a foetus) but the 4 necessary chambers that are required for a hearts function are not developed for another 7-10 weeks. Therefore, a foetus has a functioning, beating heart at 17-20 weeks (American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 2022; American Medical Association, 2022; National Health Service, 2022; World Health Organisation, 2022; Golding, 2022; Greene et al, 2019; Mcdonald, 2019; Smyth and Kimberlee, 2021; Anderson and Anderson, 2009; Heaney, 2019) 'The sound heard during ultrasounds at six weeks is entirely manufactured by the ultrasound machine, It’s an electrical pulse that’s translated into the sound we’re hearing from the ultrasound machine' (Verma, American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 2022) 'The term 'fetal heartbeat' is pretty misleading' (Kerns, UCSF, 2022)
@kityzsRULE
6 ай бұрын
This is so frustrating to watch as a Christian that deems children under the age of "born" to be just as human as children over the age of "born". The arguments used for life were danced around and the questions asked were not worded well. They never are. Jubilee is so one-sided. ):
@Lenasevilla-yb4ei
5 ай бұрын
Stop forcing your beliefs on others
@thevaccinator666
5 ай бұрын
@@Lenasevilla-yb4eiHow is she forcing her opinion? By expressing it?
@Lenasevilla-yb4ei
5 ай бұрын
@@thevaccinator666 believe what you want to believe and let other ppl believe what they want to do and believe with their own bodies.
@denzellmovies
5 ай бұрын
How does that worldview work if I may ask? Does an egg cell immediately get a "soul" the moment it gets fertilized?
@rare.rubies14
5 ай бұрын
@@denzellmovies A "soul'? I'm not sure what you mean by that but it definitely gets human life and human DNA
@blueollis
7 ай бұрын
I hope that the people saying life and life importance begins when two cells come together are not eating animals who have sentience, family, an experience of life, a desire to live.
@nickb1156
Ай бұрын
*human* life is the key word here
@blueollis
Ай бұрын
@@nickb1156 Why?
@nickb1156
Ай бұрын
@@blueollis Because normal people put their own species first
@blueollis
Ай бұрын
@@nickb1156 It's not about putting someone first. If we can avoid causing suffering to others, why wouldn't we?
@zayc4002
7 ай бұрын
I just wanna ask these pro lifers why they stop caring about babies after their born?
@nicknickson3650
7 ай бұрын
They don't. Pro-lifers adopt more children than pro-choicers. Pro-lifers do more charity work than pro-choicers. Pro-lifers donate more to children's hospitals and facilities than pro-choicers.
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
Why make such a generalisation? Seems like a red herring to me. Lots of pro life organisations do a tremendous amount for those in need post-birth.
@Twbrooks509
6 ай бұрын
I walked away from this even more pro-choice than going in. Its a tough decision but everyone should have the choice and there are lots of nuances as to what might go into the decision. A whole one solution for everyone is not the way.
@viaj661
7 ай бұрын
i like when the moderator moderates but i hate when he chips in his own opinion
@ruthantiaobong3502
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1089">18:09</a> grat tik tok is her compass...
@MarinaM-o6p
7 ай бұрын
NOT ALL PEOPLE WANT OR SHOULD HAVE CHILDREN .
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Adoption
@abigailwilson1601
6 ай бұрын
You’re acting like pregnancy is not preventable.
@hailSithis4693
7 ай бұрын
If that woman would have had the baby conceived from assault, she would have despised that kid their whole life. It would have been a reminder of a horrible trauma. Those two women's responses were so tone deaf and atrocious.
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
That is certainly not the case in all cases. I personally know people who were conceived nonconcencually and their mothers love them dearly
@MsDudette21
7 ай бұрын
@@aidanaldrich7795 we know. hence pro choice. even if we may personally disagree with it, we want women to have the option cuz there are plenty of women who dont feel that way. theres no harm done if there are options. there is if women everywhere HAVE to give birth
@hannarivers5872
7 ай бұрын
does that mean the child doesnt deserve to live just because the woman doesn't see the innocent child as innocent?
@MsDudette21
7 ай бұрын
@@hannarivers5872 its not about deserving anything. its about the woman ultimately having control over her body. sorry but a fetus that doesn't even know of it's existence isn't as important as someone already in the world. if the woman wants to abort and does no real harm is done.
@noukiatsobgnie4109
7 ай бұрын
it's funny how the arguments of the pro life are only based of "oh look at me i did it, i made it"
@iliketoberightforty2
5 ай бұрын
like girl just cause it didn't happen to you doesn't mean that it didn't happen to anyone else??
@hannahsutton2233
7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love middle ground but I can’t lie I do miss not having the moderator because I feel like the people debating have less of a debate and I feel like they hold back a bit more.
@liviwall662
7 ай бұрын
I get your point but it's kind of necessary because in past videos you do see a couple people dominate the conversation simply because they are more vocal and comfortable speaking over others
@hannahsutton2233
7 ай бұрын
@@liviwall662Yeah I can definitely see that point too for sure and I can see it’s important for the moderator to be there but I don’t always feel it’s helpful when he decides to ask someone a question instead of letting the conversation flow
@charliekarma
7 ай бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="753">12:33</a> answer: no, and I know that for a fact
@itsmalia444
7 ай бұрын
I will never understand a pro-life stance. You can be pro-life for yourself but to impose that belief on someone else is so wild. The men did us justice this debate!
@BenMears-fd7he
7 ай бұрын
That girl that broke two school records while pregnant!! Wow!! 😱 She’s amazing!!
@sunnevacarat
7 ай бұрын
500-800$ for an abortion?! Dude where I live it’s free… that’s insanity
@ajsbbqsauce
7 ай бұрын
Where i live It’s illegal 😭
@Karanararara
7 ай бұрын
omg a fellow carat
@xwrtk
7 ай бұрын
It can be free in the U.S. depending on insurance. My grandpa was on medication that can also be used for abortions and it was free with insurance.
@FerretCuddles
7 ай бұрын
"Where I live it's free..." No child, it's not. The cost simply got forced onto someone who had nothing to do with it. In a fair world, you and you alone would face the consequences for your actions.
@gladitsnotme
7 ай бұрын
Where do you live?
@samariam3043
7 ай бұрын
Having an abortion isn’t about hiding it away. Very telling how she feels about her decision to keep her child
@EllieJen-u4t
26 күн бұрын
There are a lot of spectrum when it comes to pro-life and pro-choice. It's not just black and white. Some pro-life values both the mother and fetus in which they give exceptions to situations that allows abortion. While some, forces women to give birth regardless of circumstances. Some pro-choice devalues the fetus in which they discourages women to have children or be pregnant. While some, are supportive and values the freedom to choose because they are aware of many circumstances that may have been put through to the mother.
@blckhellokittygirl
7 ай бұрын
how can u be a feminist if you're against having your own rights??? the math isnt mathing
@jlopez4889
7 ай бұрын
Because they believe that they are defending the life of a baby. If you somehow proved to them that the fetus isn't a human, I am willing to bet that a lot of them wouldn't be anti-abortion
@jlopez4889
7 ай бұрын
And also, unless I missed something , they probably aren't against contraceptives
@martaelfstrom2060
7 ай бұрын
Mothers vs. Childfree women
@wez3107
7 ай бұрын
It really just boils down to where you think personhood begins. Probably the beginning of consciousness (20-24 weeks) would make the most sense since the cessation of conscious experience is how we view death.
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Personhood can't be defined
@hyrunnisa997
7 ай бұрын
where did you get the idea that consciousness starts at 20-24 weeks?
@wez3107
7 ай бұрын
True, that's why I gave my best argument for defining personhood beginning with consciousness.@@aidanaldrich7795
@wez3107
7 ай бұрын
When the necessary parts of the brain form so that senses can be perceived. That would be when the thalamocortical connections from sense organs are established.@@hyrunnisa997
@saucey1742
7 ай бұрын
@@hyrunnisa997well through ekg research and neuroscience human consciousness begins about 35 weeks . A fetus before that is no different than a piglet in terms of consciousness. Biological processes don’t determine humanity as a a Neanderthals share the same human biology yet they aren’t human. Chimps share the same human biology yet they aren’t human. What makes a human truly human is consciousness ( awareness of internal and external existence)
@Julia-vu5pl
7 ай бұрын
anyone that thinks this world is a place to bring a child.. is insane and clearly selfish
@jay-t1030
7 ай бұрын
Historically speaking there have been way worst time to be alive. WW1 & WW2, black plague, fall of the Roman Empire, Mongol conquest, the crusades etc
@ivani12torres
7 ай бұрын
a moderator was ESSENTIAL
@Jasminelovesyouxo
7 ай бұрын
It’s always so interesting when people bring up religion, but it’s always in relation to the Bible. In the Quran, abortion is permissible until about 4 months.
@delusional_fool630
7 ай бұрын
It was delightful to listen to and see such a compassionate discussion, I was surprised! Also, to add my own two pence: I come from a stable socio-economic background but where I come from a lot of families live in complete poverty and are struggling to put food on the table on a day-by-day basis. Growing up I had friends from the "wrong part of town" where a household with 5-8 or more kids was commonplace. I have also held the hands of these friends at the wakes of their little siblings who unfortunately passed away at a really young age because of various reasons. I understand that this topic is extremely layered and while I believe in the pro-choice values, I think that a couple and a family should do what is best for them and their loved ones. Abortion should not be the first choice but in some cases, it should be taken into consideration.
@03Epicman
7 ай бұрын
Absolutely useless debate without someone who's actually medically trained. It's like finding a middle ground between climate change deniers and normal people, one side just don't need a voice
@kalamari3288
7 ай бұрын
Both sides need a voice because this is a highly contentious issue, and is more of a moral debate than a scientific one anyway.
@03Epicman
7 ай бұрын
@@kalamari3288 slavery used to be a contentious issue. Morality is a philosophy that stems from reason and a sense of justice. To be able to reason in a debate like this ppl must be able to agree and know the facts about foetal development. I think there is a reason why those who are medically trained generally have a strong leaning to the “pro choice” stance
@lerrato6027
7 ай бұрын
Interesting how now I don't see anyone crying about "mansplaining" in the comments
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
It's only mansplaining when they disagree with the men 🙄
@queentika23
7 ай бұрын
How do you say your pro-life when there are unhoused people living on the streets? How are you pro-life when kids are living without food? Every woman should have a choice period, whether you choose to have an abortion or not. At the end of the day, CHOICE is the key word.
@c2dajayy
7 ай бұрын
How do those issues have anything to do wit being against abortion?
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
@@c2dajayy I think they are trying to say that people can't be pro life if they don't do enough to help other charitable causes. The same "arguments" again and again
@kbluestar96
Ай бұрын
I don’t understand why people who don’t believe in having abortions to just not have abortions and let other people just idk decide for themselves? A fetus relies completely on the mother for life which means it is a temporary parasite which yes has a bad connotation but still accurate. People are giving a parasite more rights than a woman. Nobody’s opinion matters on this, it’s up to the mother because that mother knows their own life and themselves the best.
@noneofyourbusiness4054
7 ай бұрын
These "women" are so disappointing. It baffles me that they call themselves "feminists" .
@samm2419
7 ай бұрын
Honestly regardless of what side you’re on, the men’s arguments were so much stronger in this videos than the women’s.
@justingary5322
5 ай бұрын
Gen as the moderator of Jubilee is DA BEST AROUND 👊😎🥳
@P3rrineLover
7 ай бұрын
Being pro-life as a woman 💀💀💀 the internalized misogyny
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
Alot of Pro Choice men (atleast online) are extremely misogynistic. I didn't get involved with the abortion debate online until last year and to say I have been horrific is an understatement. I really never knew it was a problem. But it is *rampant* . It's open my eyes alot.
@P3rrineLover
7 ай бұрын
@@CherryDreamer96 why?
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
@@P3rrineLover What do you mean ? Why are they misogynistic?
@P3rrineLover
7 ай бұрын
@@CherryDreamer96 I don't know how to word it. I'm more asking... how have pro choice men been misogynistic? What did they say?
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
@@P3rrineLoverA lot of pro choice men online will say misogynistic things like "A woman can't fully succeed professionally with children"
@beautifulveins
7 ай бұрын
I was just WAITING for the Christianity to pop out at the end like of course that's why they are Pro Life.
@CherryDreamer96
7 ай бұрын
As a pro lifer this annoys me too.
@neauxmad1048
7 ай бұрын
Any time someone says "how would you feel if you were aborted" it's the easiest answer. Obviously I wouldn't be able to care. 😅
@lluucasiscool
7 ай бұрын
I'd love to see more middle ground episodes about religion
@eugenetswong
7 ай бұрын
...and elderly people, too.
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
This isn't about religion
@lluucasiscool
7 ай бұрын
@@colonelsanders5278 huh? i said i wanted more of them, i never said this was one lol
@Polycubism
7 ай бұрын
I agree
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
@@lluucasiscool I also never said u said that either
@rooseveltj.
7 ай бұрын
Ngl I’m pro choice but the pro lifers cooking
@Justablonde
7 ай бұрын
This was one of the best middle ground episodes I have ever, ever watched. It’s so refreshing to see two groups who disagree with each other being able to come to understanding the other side, being respectful, humane and truthfully trying to find a mutual agreement (or at least come close to it). Congrats to all participants, this is what society worldwide should behave like.
@jacquenathan7504
7 ай бұрын
Pro choice does not mean pro abortion
@aidanaldrich7795
7 ай бұрын
Yes it does. And pro abortion means pro choice. You aren't the arbiter of definitions
@cubism4416
7 ай бұрын
@@aidanaldrich7795lol thats not how it works
@Arianna42O
7 ай бұрын
I'm from a state with abortion bans, wish the panel wasn't a bunch of Californians who aren't directly impacted. Get a panel of people actually dealing with the bans and you'll be horrified by the experiences and stories we already have.
@colonelsanders5278
7 ай бұрын
Such as?
@Arianna42O
7 ай бұрын
@@colonelsanders5278they won't preform "abortions" on miscarriages. One example that first comes to mind is I have a loved one who had to drive through two states while actively miscarrying to get it removed. The laws are incredibly unspecific so doctors can't preform medically necessary abortions.
@whateverwhatever4026
7 ай бұрын
@@Arianna42OWhat's your state?
@Lynne-me9zx
Ай бұрын
It breaks down pro life pro-life discussion about pro-life issues that breaks it down I don't care if you're famous I don't care who you are for Life is for Life
@Callisto_52Hz
7 ай бұрын
the problem with this format is that the pro-life women are always using their anecdotal experiences for arguments and the men are too afraid to speak up because they don't know enough or might be stepping on some toes. its just better to have a pro-life vs pro-choice women 2.0
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