In my opinion, if you need to bot with your main character, the game design is bad. Botting with alts to farm gold or RMT is never acceptable. That's my opinion from playing games in which botting was basically mandatory
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I can respect that position.
@talemire258
5 ай бұрын
I actually like what was said about the follower system. It's a soft way of gathering resources without any sort of direct botting. You choose which tasks you want your follower to focus on and they do it while you're offline at a significantly reduced efficiency. That sounds like a great middle ground.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
It is a really good way to do it. Just enough to keep people on the pace, but not so much that they fall behind.
@Sredleg
4 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion and it sounded like you were describing my playstyle as well, haha. I love massive games with lots of lore and things to, but I'm very socially awkward and am the type to never join guilds and try to play alone. Games that are big on the guild and social aspect put me off, because it gives me anxiety (even though I know from experience it is not that bad once I try). This way of legitimate 'botting', though I think it is a bad way to describe the feature, is actually a plus for me. Especially I am that person that can only play in the weekends for 8h a week in total. I am lowkey excited for this game and cannot wait to see what it has in store.
@Sloppyjoe96
17 күн бұрын
i think the best way would be you choose a skill to log out on and build passive xp while your off based on your average xp gain during the last activity you did, like your not in the game taking up space your just gaining xp while its offline
@Fascism_Is_One_Helluva_Drug
5 ай бұрын
"We allow you to bot the game yourself," is corp talk for, "We want multiple active paid monthly subs from each player, because who in their right mind would not bot through our stagnant af gameplay loops that we ourselves designed to be botted?!!"
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
This right here is a HUGE part of that. "Sometimes you don't want to grind" well then sometimes you don't deserve the reward.
@Sloppyjoe96
17 күн бұрын
you gotta do old runescape style random events, every so often a npc contacts you and if you dont respond it will just kidnap you and mess up all your bots progress lol
@plague180
4 ай бұрын
I don’t play games that force me to play with others when I don’t want to. If my progress is blocked by me not wanting to deal with randos. I quit playing. It’s that simple.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
4 ай бұрын
I do agree that being forced to play with others 100% of the time can be taxing.
@Valdarko
Ай бұрын
describing the feature as "legitimate botting" is a really bad way o doing it it's more like offline/passive progression system and there are a few MMORPG's with this feature, one of the biggest one are Age of Wushu which when you logoff from the game, your character become a "NPC" and depending on where you logoff, the character will do a few assigned tasks(get materials, training, interact with other NPC's etc) in the case of AoW the character level is time-gated so the offline progression don't interfere with your char progression + getting offline makes restores stamina which speed up your online exp but NEVER even remotely makes an difference in your overall progression, only on the game social aspects(there are events that only happens when you offline, like getting gifts from NPC with high lvl relationship etc) now the big question: did a system like this fix regular botting?? not in my experience, AoW still had botting AND mulltiaccounting farming.... lets face reality guys this is not our first rodeo, no MMO is safe from this and eventually Brighter Shores will have to face it too, it's not the first and it wont be the last, but I'm excited to see what the Gower brothers have been brewing this whole time
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
Ай бұрын
I absolutely 100% respect your view, but I think if the developer calls it something, then we owe it to the intergrity of the developer to call it how he calls it. I do agree with you though, it isn't "legal" botting as so much as "offline tasks" I remember Atlantica Online also had your character doing stuff while offline.
@Valdarko
Ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork yeah yeah, sorry I think I phrase it wrong, my criticism was really towards how the developer calls it, because once they start call it "legal botting" this will stuck as the common term and some ppl might jump on wrong conclusions the gower brothers need someone to do PR for then
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
Ай бұрын
That then, makes perfect sense, and then yes I 100% agree with you. I would have called it "task automation" or something other than legal botting.
@mercster
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I read it as like how Black Desert Online does, having workers that do stuff. I don't think putting in a "bot while logged in and game is running" would be well received anyway, look at the flack Thrown and Liberty got on their first test, with the auto-battler stuff. What would be the point?
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I would say that after the backlash on T&L any developer who thinks "auto" play is a good thing didn't pay attention. I think "automation" is fine, assistants, workers, retainers, etc. is fine, and some level of independence is fine or time ranges (like FFXIV that gives you a 1 hour or 18 hour assignment)
@polowbornfly3862
5 ай бұрын
BDO workers dont work while your offline btw but i agree with you i think the implemented botting is the best i just feel like the room thing is the only thing that i think i would have issue with, i dont like confined mmos because i do enjoy being immersed in a world. I also know that I'm a minority tho because i also like stories in mmos lol
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
So its been a minute on BDO, but doesn't the worker keep working on the current job, but won't do any more work till you log back in? I just want to make sure I 100% am on the right page. I don't think you are a minority, if a game doesn't have a good story I don't really like playing it.
@polowbornfly3862
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork yes that’s true the workers do stay on the task but don’t actually get any resources until you log on and keep the game running which is the opposite of what their proposing right? They want you to be able to be offline and still get mats is that correct? And I’m glad I’m not the only one then! Lol
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I mean I guess you'd get the mats when you logged back in. I don't have that level of detail.
@KegstandOG
5 ай бұрын
Most people just leave their crap running anyway. AFK fishing etc.
@michaelsoto3968
5 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetworkIn BDO, if you’re offline your workers are idle. You have to be online for the workers to be active. Pearl Abyss wants you to run their game 24/7.
@petethescalemodeller6130
5 ай бұрын
Lets support Andrew with this .. he gave us Rune/Scape :)
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I think it will be easier to support this idea, once we know just a little more. I think most people are just taken aback by the whole "legal botting" If this very same thing was presented as workers, retainers, assistants, apprentices, etc I think the reception would have better. Instead of "You spent the last 12 hours chopping down trees and got 190 xp and 97 logs" If it was "you spent the last 12 hours supervising/mentoring Jimmy the lumberjack. You've earned 190 xp and gathered 97 logs" would would accept it.
@volumeleet7667
5 ай бұрын
I am used to bots, sometimes prefer them from actual humans. It's better if they don't affect economy though..
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
I agree.
@eltaco2147
4 ай бұрын
Didn't BDO fix botting? Remove player to player trading. Make the same Auction House with fix price ranges. And there will be no inflation.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
4 ай бұрын
Removing player to player trading in order to fix botting is like cutting off your foot because you have a splinter in your toe. Sure, it is *a* fix, but not a good fix. If you fix prices on the Auction house that is *a* fix, but then you don't have a player driven economy.
@eltaco2147
4 ай бұрын
@@ParadoxGamingNetwork Be honest, when is the last time you traded something directly with other players? My last time was when I bought a 'Rune Scimitar' in Runescape 2, pre Grand Exchange. I only used the Auction House for the last 20 years to sell stuff, and the mail to move items between my characters on the same account. I never got traded items or gold by friends or guild members. Trading is mostly used by RMT people to move gold around and recently is used for GDKP, so people who bought gold from bots, to buy Bind on Pickup items too and pay to win. I think we might be better off without any trading, I mean look at BDO, the game is fine, still a top #5 MMORPG. And what is wrong with keeping prices under control by fixing the prices? Why shouldn't a Peacebloom be between 50s per stack -> 3 gold per stack. That price seems fair, everything else is people exploiting the system, with unearned gold, where they paid 5$ for 1000 gold.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
4 ай бұрын
The last time I traded someone directly to a player was this morning when handing out goodies in FFXIV. I often run around and give Welcome to the game goodies to new players. I make gear for people quite often. In fact, when I log in I'll probably get a few tells to make gear or furniture or airship parts. Keeping the prices under control by fixing prices absolutely sucks. I see a hole in the market and there is no silver ore. So I go out and spend 2 hours getting silver ore because the market has none. So now I can either 1) sell it on a free economy for what I think my time is worth or 2) I can turn it into something and sell that because its worth more or 3) i don't go out and get silver ore because its not worth my time. Fixed economies are terrible. Show me a game with a healthy population that has a fixed economy. The answer isn't BDO because its not a game with a healthy population.
@Architectofawesome
2 ай бұрын
Mirror image assistant.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
2 ай бұрын
LOL Mirror image, go get me a coffee
@KegstandOG
5 ай бұрын
RMT is a multi billion dollar industry. That in itself ruins most economies. (long story short I dont care either way) We buy the shit and ruin the games we love yet don't stop buying the shit lol. I 100% won't play a game I can't keep up in. Example: Myth of Empires server que for three days straight never got in so stopped playing and all my friends got pissy but hey sorry not sitting in que 10 hours. This is why I like wow pvp, I just lvl toons in battlegrounds. Everyone had heirlooms we all had a blast pvp'ing, pure fun. What will ruin a game is devs knowing that people are botting make shit 40x harder which yet again alienates the casual and they end up RMT'ing cause they have lives and just want to play a few hours and have fun. Some games the grind is great and other games it kills the game. Any grindy full loot pvp game is only inhabited by sadists and tourists who show up till they get wiped by the sadist then they move their tour to another game for a minute.
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
All very well said. Gamers are the source of the problem, so no amount of solution will fix that.
@draccuzhc7113
5 ай бұрын
If you can not handle bots in a MMO do not make a MMO. I am with you. You can't handle 100% but looking at the current State of MMOs it is a big Problem!
@ParadoxGamingNetwork
5 ай бұрын
bots in MMORPGs are a massive problem. I'm going to assume then, that you didn't like this as a solution?
@filipfenix
5 ай бұрын
Clever game mechanics can make bot life impossible.
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