Like you said Andy....It's a personal choice with no right or wrong..... it's as moot as barefoot running.... if people are out running and enjoying it, what they wear on their feet should be of no concern but to the runner themselves and them and only them know if the shoes cause issues..... sometimes we feel like we want more ground feel and out come the brilliant Adios 6's and sometimes we need a leg-loving shoe hug and out come the Nike Invincibles or the RC elite V2's and sometimes we just feel frisky and want to slip on the Vaporflys or the Sen8's 😁🦾🏃♀❤ In the end we're all responsible for our own choices and shouldn't be churlish enough the worry or comment on other runner's personal choices.
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
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@tommysiharath6988
2 жыл бұрын
Very well said Stuart. At the end of the day: your money, your choice! Buy what you like and do as you like.
@tonylangelaan3094
2 жыл бұрын
Well said, 100% agree
@artwersky
2 жыл бұрын
Our choice. But do we have all the info??? Are carbon plate causing injuries in a statistic significance more than other shoes types?
@tommysiharath6988
2 жыл бұрын
@@artwersky I would think that the kind of people who use carbon plated shoes in training are more seasoned runners and may get injured due to the paces, miles, and intensity they train at rather than from the shoes. Eliud Kipchoge and other Kenyan's in NN Running train in vaporfly's no problem. We also shouldn't forget to hit the gym or do other strength and condition exercises for the legs. Blaming problems on shoes instead of the actual training is like blaming the machine or weights in the gym for making you injured. There's a reason a lot of elite athletes have coaches. Coaches tell the athletes when to back off or rest. Injury tends to happen when we overexert ourselves.
@hiltop717
2 жыл бұрын
I have started using my super shoes for training and my joints are much happier and muscles don’t seem to seize up so quick after doing a long run and cool down. I don’t seem as bored when I run in them and the running sessions are way more enjoyable. No injuries so far thank goodness!
@joemilewicz6847
2 жыл бұрын
My current long Run shoe is the RC Elite 2 which I’ve been using for 9 months and have been very good. Previous long Run shoe was the Saucony Speed. I got a cheap pair of Vaporfly Next % to use but they didn’t really work for a weekly long run shoe even though they work well as a race shoe for me. I think the actual super shoe model has an effect on its use in training also. Will be using a pair of Adizero Adios pro 2 next I got on a massive discount moving forward. Will see how they perform weekly in comparison.
@r.cordis8251
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, have you had any slow long runs with the RC elite 2? I was wondering if it is also good in slow runs because I heard about some instability. I would loke to use in long runs with different paces and hills. Maybe it will be better than the new sc trainer.. Thanks
@DuncanEpping
2 жыл бұрын
Ha, doing the same! Nice way to save the legs a bit!
@ashleyspencer3664
2 жыл бұрын
Can’t beat the rc elite for most runs. Be careful with the adidas as that caused me posterior tibialis issues. Definitely build up your distance and see how you get on.
@nickshort262
2 жыл бұрын
@@r.cordis8251 I use rc elite v2 for all my long runs 20k plus absolute game changer comfortable from start to finish . Great at slower speed and high speed my favourite all round shoe
@r.cordis8251
2 жыл бұрын
@@nickshort262 Good to hear, the rc elite V2 is lighter and I think a more "natural" shoe than the new SC Trainer and also maybe can find it a little cheaper, my only concern is the stability and the toebox width, hope not too narrow. Thanks.
@chrisvanbuggenum871
2 жыл бұрын
Two weeks ago i did my longest long run in preparation for a marathon, and my left ankle is still swollen and painful. It's been painful to walk, and even more painful to opt out of my first marathon. I was running solely in Vaporflys.
@amandawalker4510
2 жыл бұрын
What's interesting is that super shoes have not reduced injury rates they have just shifted their location. Rotation and variation is key and of course strength training :) We all respond differently to these shoes .
@saddleback7662
2 жыл бұрын
So glad you brought this up. Ever since I spent a year w/ PF and peroneal tendinitis - in a boot! - I’ve been researching the link. Only thing I can say is there’s a definite link between high cushion shoes, plated shoes, super-soft shoes and injuries. Ever notice the prevalence of PF, glute, hamstring, hip, stress fractures these days? Harvards Spaulding institute and Benno Nigg have the science on running shoes and injuries. Wish you well, Andy! (I’m back in my Hyperion Tempos, JUST right for everything!)
@jimmcmorran5855
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy. I find your videos enjoyable and informative. I am an old (59 year old) runner who used to do athletics a lot in his 20s and then for the last decade I have had a very precarious left achilles which would flare up and stop me running. However until 4 weeks ago I was able to run - mainly on a treadmill for about 12 months - using "super shoes" such as the nike alpha fly as these supercushioned shoes protected my achilles. I ran a 20.37 park run and then a 2.31 800m. However running in spikes was very difficult as there is minimal cushioning and I jarred my R achilles warming up for a 1500m (5.19.5) and this has not healed and flared up yesterday when running. So the supercushioned shoes have allowed me to run but I think you have to "step down" and use less supercushioned shoes if you want to run on a track otherwise the "change" is too much. I have bought a pair of Nike Streetfly and think once my "good" achilles can take running again then I will use this as a step - and so use those two shoes as my main training. I have to be very careful and so only do 3-4 running sessions but do like your 3x10min session which I hope to make a staple. So supercushioned shoes seem protective - but for an older runner as I am the change in cushioning from them to a running spike is probably too much of a change and there needs to be some interim shoe to use before running on a track.
@videos-gl2qq
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this Andy! I'm a 50 yr old runner and never had plantar fasciitis before wearing these thick cushioned shoes. So i'm going back to training in smaller stack heights on soft surface and trying to strengthen my feet back up. Plan to still race in the super shoes cause i don't want to get dusted :)
@jorgesousa8946
2 жыл бұрын
I am training for the berlin marathon at the age of 58, and my rotation is 4 pairs of nike alphafly 1 and alphafly 2 for the day of marathon. I do slow runs, interval in track, tempo run and long runs and I never felt my legs fresher at more than 100km a week than I do now. Now I train at a faster pace with a lower hert rate. I can't understand how running in more comfortable shoes can cause injuries. I get injured training with shoes with spikes in the track, with shoes with little height. But now I feel I can run more kilometers safely and without fear of getting injured. Technological evolution in any area will always have voices against it, the only negative point is the price. As for motivation, I'm going to run the Berlin marathon with the Nike alphafly 2, and that gives me a mental boost
@TimGrose
2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't clear exactly which "super" shoes you were having the plantar & calf problems with? Does that include the Zoom Fly 5? Also if you think about "we" weren't "designed" to run in any shoes at all so why would say running in a "normal" shoe (i.e. without a carbon plate) like say the Invincible with a huge chunk of soft foam under you be any better or rather "normal"? Indeed in recent years I might argue I have had more "odd" sensations in very soft ones like the Invincible or Rebel 2 than "super" shoes although I did once have a hamstring pull in a pair of NEXT% just the same as I had done in "normal" shoes in the past but all bar once when "trying". By and large then I feel then that you are most at risk of injury after high volume and/or high intensity or just bad luck like tripping over. Also there are so many shoes now and, even us, only try a small percentage of them. Some shoes I like and wear a lot, some are so so and some I run in once or twice and wonder I bothered. So can you really attribute any issue solely due to your shoes or rather doing ill advised things in them - like doing a hard session when your legs are already a bit sore etc etc If then that session did not go well was it really the shoes you wore in them or actually the fact you were just doing something that pushed the boundaries a little too much.
@alexanderwhyte5316
2 жыл бұрын
I rotate between different types of shoes as I like to know that I am capable of running in any type of shoe (firm, cushioned and supershoe). Also, I don't know whether it's true or not, but it feels to me that training in less cushioned shoes can help build strength in my feet and legs. However I also like to practice in supershoes to replicate race conditions as much as possible when running time trials etc.
@jonathanwendel7480
2 жыл бұрын
Good comments; thanks. One option for some runners (like me) is to pair the carbon plate with something "part way there". The example I would offer is to pair the Saucony Pro 3 with the nylon-plated (and hence partly stiff) Saucony Speed 3. That is my present approach. Thanks again!
@MM-67
2 жыл бұрын
Good point you make. I also train now more (avg80km) and use race shoes in my rotation. I do believe that first of all rotation with different shoes is good. And I notice that my body reacts differently after each shoe (mach4, zooms-invincible, speed2, etc). It’s also a cost factor. Those race shoes are high priced and have a lower durability. So I am looking for sales of race shoes and combine those. Like the saucony endorphin pro2 for training but as you said: slowly increasing the training miles with them.
@Aldinequeen
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I appreciate the honesty on your training block. Having the same issue with my left calf and plantar fasciitis. You have given me the push to keep training.
@Alex_Runs40
2 жыл бұрын
Up until 2020 I ran in Asics GT1000, DS Trainer and Saucony Fastwitch. No injuries at all but remember soreness after races. Since then i've expanded my rotation to include all types of trainers, mainly soft and neutral, and supershoe racers. The result has been less soreness but 2 major injuries in my left knee and hip (currently out with the hip) and both sustained during a training session in Vaporfly. When i'm fit again i'm reverting back to decent stability shoes for easy days and lower profile/non carbon shoes for sessions (Adios 7, DS Trainer, Takumi Sen 8). Will 'save' supershoes for A races only and still considering removing them completely.
@laurainthehaute918
2 жыл бұрын
I think Andy’s identifying a trend that many of us have experienced or noted in fellow runners. Glad to see this discussion. I think there could be many with niggles or even injuries due to overtraining on carbon plated racers.
@jodibeck
2 жыл бұрын
I am currently using edge+ for my intervals, sky+ for tempo and long runs, however I do use the Aplha flys for long runs when my legs are beat up so I recover faster. All easy amd slow runs I use NB 1080s
@kit7579
Жыл бұрын
I love to train in plated shoes everyday in carbon,nylon,or composite from 5K to 10K distance. I have the different versions of Vaporfly, zoom fly, tempo next, alphafly. endorphin speed, endorphin pro, and Boston 11. I don’t get hurt running in them except for the adidas Boston 11 since they are so rigid in midsole and upper that they hurt my feet but after some more miles, the Boston 11 seems to be breaking in and feeling better now.
@TheMassif
2 жыл бұрын
I use plated shoes a few times during the week, even on treadmill, and I feel my legs can recover much faster. The only obvious drawback for me is the price of those shoes, but it really is more fun to run in them.
@normanjohnstone9231
2 жыл бұрын
I have recently been using my vaporflys for a couple of sessions which have felt great.For me though I’d say saving them for race day when it can give you that boost would probably make me limit my use of them in training. There’s also the financial side of it, as you say there are some good deals on offer but that goes for your daily trainer too. Overall shoe rotation replacement budget would keep my “super shoe” usage to a minimum especially in the current financial climate. Great vid …keep up the great work 😀
@i.p2088
2 жыл бұрын
Vaporfly is amazing and easy to live with for any distance. Alphafly is a nightmare to control for a slower runner like me..
@tworunningbrooms
2 жыл бұрын
Great video Andy. One that provoked a lot of thought. John traditionally ran in minimalist shoes back in the 2000s and 2010s. The first time he raced in the 4%s his hamstring went 8 miles into a 10 mile race. After that every time he wore them in training there would be a niggle around the hour mark. However he has the non carbon Streakflys which he loves. Natural foot roll as you say. Dawn's experience is she loves carbon plate shoes and trained a pair or 4%s into disintegration. However, she does notice a sore achilles if she wears them frequently in training. So your insights are spot on as far as we are concerned as experienced runners who have seen many generations of shoes come and go.
@Bodhished
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, I've also been thinking about this recently. I did 14.5 km in the alphafly 2 today as I want to use them for a half in a couple of weeks. Only done 9km runs in them before that. Some slight rubbing inside left arch towards the end. Definitely could get through a half but I'd be concerned taking them full atm. Therefore probably good to train in them a bit and test different socks and lacing before a race. Really push you along though. Actually speed 2 probably best all round option for most training as you can drop the pace easier. Same goes for rocket X which I use a bit as it is the most stable shoe I have and very confident they protect against injury. More so than the speeds. Also takumi Sen 8 I like some up to 10km training in. Plus they helped me PR a couple of weeks ago in parkrun 😅 Think injuries in these shoes related to the speed they almost force you to run at. But overall I'd say definitely use them semi regular to get used to them.
@i.p2088
2 жыл бұрын
Speed 2 can do it all. Alphafly is dangerous for me because I find the Air Pods extremely bouncy (PB) but so unstable that my Achilles tendons kill me after the run.
@markhirdygirdy_runs
2 жыл бұрын
Great post completely agree. I need a shoe that’s more forgiving when I drop the pace as I’m running for longer and I don’t get that benefit in the VF. Hoping I get it in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite. I took it for a 11 mile run and tried to keep the pace moderate to test how they would help me if I dropped the pace and they seemed to work a lot better than the VF
@i.p2088
2 жыл бұрын
Good video, efficiency is not important in the training.. Injury prevention and the ability to log more hours is key. I don't say miles because the efficiency is not important.. Your body does not care if you walk or run at the same HR but the walking will be better for you all things equal. I had back pains in the last few days. I wake up at 0420 to run so that plus a stiff cold body (I am old) is a painful combination.. So my brain decides what to use. I started with the NB RC V2.. Excellent for cold aching body.. I run 2 times per day so next run was Speed 3.. Also excellent for my pains.. Next morning Nimbus 24.. Not soft enough for my back but OK.. Afternoon 1080V12 was OK but not as forgiving as the FuelCell shoes. Today I took the Hyperion Tempo in the morning.. Back problem gone 😁. This just shows how much the supershoes help you keep going. I do notice my hamstring and Achilles tendons hurting in one leg if I use the Carbon Plate shoe more than 4 times per week and I do 14 runs a week 🙄
@livegreatalways
2 жыл бұрын
For me, no risk of injuries at all training in plated shoes, if anything it helps in recovery so I can go out there hitting more works again and, helps me to train at higher intensities. I like to train in the heavier plated companion shoes like the Boston 10 and Tempo Next %. The apex plated shoes which are worn-out after 300km I used them in training too but only on special occasions. And I still use the normal daily non-plated shoes like Brooks Launch, Epic React, etc. On race day, I will take out a fresh racing pair so I still feel the magic. All in all, it kinda works well thus far. Tq for this video, Sir. Nice topic.
@karlbratby4349
2 жыл бұрын
Never tried them, and having just started my training again after 7 years away from running and reaching 50 yrs old I'm keen to keep sound on this fitness journey so don't want to alter my biomechanics for the sake of speed and risk injury as we don't heal as quick as the young guns and my mind needs to run. Loving all the new tech though coming forward today and in time will give plated shoes a go but for now, will keep my daily shoes basic, those being the Hoka Mach4 and for an easy run just ordered Asics nova blast 3. Great content thanks
@Gary_sub3marathoner
2 жыл бұрын
I'm currently training for the Budapest marathon. On my longer MP runs I will use the Vaporfly Next %. I did today on a 14 mile effort. My other 5 days of running in the week have been in daily trainers.
@MarkSmith_Best-Athletics
2 жыл бұрын
Was a good event when I ran it in 2017 but they have changed the course since then. Perfect for recovery afterwards too with all them spa baths. Enjoy!!
@ianglendinning7668
2 жыл бұрын
I've only started running in super shoes this year and the perceived effort is absolutely lower even at 8min miles. Example being a 10k route I run quite regularly when my son is at football training. Pegasus 36 shield - 8:58 per mile Adidas Adizero Adios Pro 2 - 8:30 per mile Nike Vaporfly Next % 2 - 8:15 per mile. All 3 runs were within a 6 week period and avg HR around 145 for each run. Nearly 40 secs per mile faster for the same HR by using the Vaporfly's. Took the Pro 2's out for 8 miles last weekend and were absolutely fine between 7:50-8:20 per mile. The Lightstrike Pro foam kept the legs feeling relatively good.
@edrs787
2 жыл бұрын
Training in NB fuel cell sc 80% of the time and the rest in alphafly 2 for Marine corps marathon in October. I do about 40miles per week no recovery or injuries so far. Great videos
@craigtsmith6957
2 жыл бұрын
Long overdue discussion Andy you make some brilliant points - very refreshing. Whilst your niggles are not major so far - these early warnings can be demoralising when you get a serious injury like Lucy Charles did early this year (see later) I hope this personal reflection might help you to broaden your perspective maybe and those runners who cant get out of the injury cycle or easily slip into it - you know; those of us that start to develop issues when the mileage gets serious - and we are a big community. In 2 years i rapidly went from a 1:45 Half marahon down to 1:26 with more to come and then the achilles/ calf cycle started! I have since recovered and done well for my age in masters events; but i always walk a fine line between fit and F*****. I hope you dont mind but I want to start with a bit of a rant on the penchant of many of your peers Andy in the shoe influencer universe and their penchant to nearly always promote the more sleek; fast; bouncy and comfortable shoes - and miss how important - horror of horror! stability shoes may be in the rotation.... and how powerfull these can be for recovery and injury prevention. I think the elite reviewers like yourself; Kofuzi; Fordy et al have a duty of care to make the point that many of us may benefit from running some of our miles for recovery in stability shoes; the polar oposite of the super shoe or plush high stack neutral shoe like the Hoka Clifton et al (my favourite shoe by the way) So here goes Andy -like most I am not in love with the feel of the stability shoes at all - although the new ASICS Kayano 29 is not bad. I initially adopted Benno Niggs (world famous Biomechanics expert/ podiatrist) mantra to choose the shoe you feel most comfortable with. 99% of influencers adopt this philosophy as well - most are highly allergic to the notion of running in stability shoes; its totally incompatable with their self image - notable exceptions are yourself; Fordy runs; Road and Trail, Doctors of Running and a few others. But there is a trap here i think with Nigg's mantra; and that is if a shoe feels lovely and bouncy; fast and efficient; which the super shoes do - its biomecahnically safe; for me this is so not the case. I love all the same shoes as everyone else does - the Hoka Cliftons; Nike Pegasus Turbos and all the subsequent super shoes from Nike and Adidas. But i have discovered a reality that once my mileage and pace gets serious i become a whole lot more susceptible to a range of all the classic injuries - especially calf and achilles. if i just run in shoes that feel great and are "fun" and "fast"to run in such as the Hoka Clifton i start to get the slight twinge and ache; like you Andy i always think its OK and i can manage until at some point - bang. I have found out through the high cost of physio and the frustration of yet another rehab period that choosing a stability shoe for my slower aerobic miles limits this negative cycle and those early niggles slight pain in the achilles and that always selecting the "fun comfortable" shoe does not correlate with good recovery/ injury protection. Having run a lot of KM s in Kayano i think the 29 actually does have more os that balance of comfort feeling and protection and hopefully the holy grail of a stability shoe being fun will one day be achieved. . I saw a recent video on Fordy runs of a tester who was running in the ASICS Meta Speed - he thinks he is a neutral runner; but in these fun shoes he was pronating so much his left ankle on the medial side was almost scraping the road! If he trained like this everday i am almost sure he will be an injury wiating to happen. Now back to Lucy Charles (world class triathlete/ Red Bull Superstar) after having recently rehabbed after a broken hip! she was advised by ASICS (her new sponsor) to wear a stability shoe for a percentage of her training to reduce the risk of a future hip injury. We dont get to see this fragility with Pro Runners much - we tend to see them as non-humans with no weakneeses. In her last video training for the world long course TRI champs the other week - she and her husband Reece Barclay (Pro triathlete)-did a race simulation in the Kayano 29 - not the ASICS Meta Speed ( whch she saved for racing). Now Lucy weighs the same as a pigeon; and flys like one as well - running sub- 3 at the end of an ironman - and she is doing a race simulation in a Kayano 29!!! - i am sure she also prefers the feel and fun of the Novablast (this shoe is in her rotation as well)! Contrast this with the week end warriors who are not always in an optimum physical condition and pronating beyond 45 degrees just like the Fordy Runner i described earlier running always in the fun to run in shoes. I contend that a greater percentage of time spent in the more uncomforable stability shoes would equal better recovery and injury prevention for 90% of the running population. One famous UK podiatrist Ian Griffiths www.physio-network.com/blog/all-new-uninjured-runners-should-wear-stability-shoes/ contends that all runners should run in stability shoes (unless they have specific foot issues where speciasl shoes like Altra and Hoka are better)- Sorry for the long post Andy- but hopefully if it helps one person to avoid my frustrations it will have been worth it. Great vlog !
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Bloody hell what a comment 👏 very hard for me to reply to each element specifically but I have to say that this is a top comment. So I agree, there are a certain amount of shoes for shoe reviewers to review that draw in a bigger audience, these are usually the fun shoes you mention and I’ll certainly be investing in the novablast 3 when they release tomorrow. But I suppose alot of the exposure of other shoes is far less unless you follow people on strava and see what shoes they use for each run. For me some of my favourites this year have been the saucony ride 15, puma velocity nitro 2 and brooks hyperion tempo (over 300 miles) amongst others… now the first 2 are what I’d class as a medium stack height, the ride 15 being slightly firmer but 💯 the most enjoyable daily shoe I’ve run in so far this year and the puma on the softer end of the spectrum. The tempos are higher stack but firmer and j firmly believe that the volume of miles I’ve put in them just shows how highly I rate them as a shoe, ditching softer bouncy shoes in favour of a “slower shoe” for more enjoyable miles. Earlier this year I did my long runs in the tempos and never walked a fine line of injury, I’ve used more plated shoes in this block and now having to keep an eye on my calf… speaks volumes really doesn’t it…. Appreciate the kind words 🙏
@craigtsmith6957
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner Thanks for taking the time to respond to my comment. You have been doing this a long time now and have an impressive following and growing - you didnt need to do that.That makes you a Rock Star in my book. Look forward to following your continued progression Andy. Chapeau.
@benchandler3220
2 жыл бұрын
When I wear my Alphaflys for a track session, I usually pull up very well the next day. I believe this keeps me fresher and less prone to injury/niggles, especially as my mileage increases. Good video.
@davidclaassens1804
2 жыл бұрын
I have no problem training in Vapourfly shoes. Main thing is from a cost perspective I don't want them ruined them as I need to use it for race day. It does feel great training with them..
@tomh9064
2 жыл бұрын
Really interesting topic. I mainly train in Noosa Tri 13 and NB 1080 v11, so non plated. But I do most parkruns in the Speed 2 and save carbon plated shoes until race day. I would actually like to use my speed 2s a bit more but I am always so paranoid about the plate causing injury!
@jamesyarwood7304
2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with what your saying Andy and it’s all down to the individual. Personally I love training in them, love the Alphafly for long runs and the next percents for fast repeats or threshold work. I tend to get a little knot in my forefoot just under my toes when I do use carbon plates for longer runs, but like you say bit of TLC and foam rolling or massage and it’s fine. Training for a sub 2hr 40 effort in London in just over 4 weeks 👍🏼
@alexp8931
2 жыл бұрын
I think a good middle ground which I personally use is only using super shoes for when I'm doing speed days. I mainly race 5ks and 10ks so it's obviously different. But I usually wear them for things like 400 repeats up toile repeats. Slower than that I would usually use endorphin speeds for threshold training or uptempo long runs. I get that if you are racing a marathon in a shoe though you obviously need to run a long run it two in it at least first.
@JohnBirtchetSharpe
2 жыл бұрын
I use Sen 8's for every other tempo run (once a month) and repeat work (twice a month) , I use my endorphin speed 2's for two long runs per month (with fast finishes); All other run's I do is are in non plated lower stack shoes. Besides initial testing (to ensure I can run in them I will take a shoe out for a 13.1) , any 'super shoe' gets put on the rack until race day (and that's an actual race and a not virtual one). However, my performance level is nowhere near yours .. for me quick is 4.15m/km. All shoes have their impact. I do one run a week in barefoot shoes(the name is ironic) I really enjoy it, especially on the grass verges but any more than 6 miles and I get a niggle at the top of my left calf, so I chill and keep to once a week. If I was you I would not jeopardize London, go back to the non-plated shoes .. It could be argued the improved metrics are artificial and any improvements you make in non-super shoes will still translate on race day .. if you improve week by week in concrete boots you are still improving.👌
@robwetherell
2 жыл бұрын
Do what feels best for you, that’s my opinion. I’m fortunate to have a decent amount of shoes and plenty of them are ‘super’ shoes. I don’t want them to sit in a box for ages, I want to enjoy them, so use them generally for sessions. It’s usually 2-3 days a week when they get used and most other days are everyday cushioned plodders. I want to understand a shoe and the more I use them, the better I can think of they can be the right choice for an upcoming event. The good ones usually end up with me buying more pairs. I’m now at the point where I don’t go out and buy every new shoe and try to research and make an informed decision on what I think might work for me. Great topic!
@pauldelaney4186
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the in-depth reviews 👍🏻I don’t think anyone other than analysed elite athletes can tell which shoes are best for you. I have so many different shoes I keep buying to try and I think having a large rotation gives me the benefits of how shoes effect my training and racing. I have been running constantly without injury for over 2 years after a period of injury after injury including 3 stress fractures. Once I have some races in my Alphafly etc I use them more for training, keeping the new super shoes for the races. Some like the RC Elite are actually better for training anyway.
@IRunThings
2 жыл бұрын
I have heard people talk about these issues and people who have had let go of their supershoes. I use them on 2 of my 6 runs a week.and like you, I love using them but I love feeling different so I don't want to use them too much
@TravelRunner
2 жыл бұрын
I think if you own a super shoe and you plan on racing in them, then yes, you should definitely do some of your training in those shoes. You need to be prepared for how the shoes fit and feel before race day, just like any other shoe. I think if you use them periodically for long runs and speed workouts it will help you get through those workouts with less fatigue. Also, the plate actually adds stabilization to most of the shoes, allowing the companies to use a softer, less stable but more responsive foam. Great video, Andy. Like you said, everyone is different with how they need to incorporate them into their training. 👍
@thewingitrunner
2 жыл бұрын
Another great video mate. We have had many chats about this subject. But the number 1 thing is, individual choice and what works best for you, as no right or wrong answer. As you know I like to save them for race day, so I get that wow factor when I put them on. So as long as my daily trainers or long run shoes have a decent stack height and they are cushioned then it's all good for me. You know you body mate and what feels right and what doesn't. And if you feel you last two weeks of training isn't so tough and you can get away without using the supershoe then do it. But if its a double day and you feel you need it for recovery and evening Run then wear them. As long as you get to London fit and healthy then that's all that matters. Guess it's Vaporfly or Pro 3s for London?
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Gonna be the alphafly v1 buddy for London 💪
@thewingitrunner
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner cool forgot about that shoe lol
@manuel_877
2 жыл бұрын
Good morning The FOD Runner and all the runners from 🇪🇸. Thanks for this information. In my opinión, the shoes with carbón plate is for élite runners. I like saucony Kinvara 13 and NB 1080 v12. Here is my like. A nice week for everyone. ☀️🏃♂️☀️
@justanoldfashionedrunner605
2 жыл бұрын
fingers crossed you keep the pf and calf issues under control. Being in my last phase as a runner i happily sacrifice any benefits of plated shoes. Staying healthy is my primary goal. I use plated shoes once in a while, but at the moment no more than 3 times per month and no longer than 25k....and yes at the moment my 2 most favorite shoes are both plated shoes😁
@benhruns
2 жыл бұрын
I love running in plated shoes, but I have tried to limited myself to keeping them for speed/track sessions and effort parkruns.
@conordaly4793
2 жыл бұрын
As a relative newcomer to carbon-plated shoes and recent owner of discounted Vaporflys, they are reserved for racing in events (such as tomorrow’s Big Half) and the odd speed session to get myself used to the feel of them.
@TimGrose
2 жыл бұрын
PS, in some jest, if you are running at marathon pace 10 bpm less than normal in super shoes then does that suggest you either swop the shoes for something that makes you work harder (e.g. get those Tempo NEXT% you "loved" back out from the bin LOL) or perhaps you can increase your pace/effort ?
@cmo3
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’m in the US and my favorite running KZitemrs such as you are in the UK 🇬🇧. You guys are passionate about the sport. Is there a historical perspective there that creates so many dedicated runners?
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
I think we are just a small island of people so when a craze hits us, it sweeps the nation and we fully submerge ourselves into whatever it is… for me it’s running! Appreciate your kind words 🙏
@laurainthehaute918
2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you! Love these runners across the pond!🇬🇧🌊
@therunophil
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, if I understood you correctly there are major advantages in super shoes as such (which is also my experience) but nothing you said indicates an injury risk by those shoes as such, it's just the difference in load on the body, just like using the Adios 6 after only training in the Invincible would create risks. There are of course individual factors, I for example have issues with both Adios 6 and Invincible despite both being brilliant shoes, but generally speaking training in super shoes sounds like a great idea. You briefly mentioned it at the end, a slow transition to give the body time to get used to the new load is key, just like with any other change in shoe type or running style.
@andydevinewine
2 жыл бұрын
Only use carbon shoes for speed sessions. I use endorphin speed for long runs... The non carbon plate still gives some benefits without being too rigid. All other runs are in stability shoes with lots of cushion and super easy feeling.
@TheLearningRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with everything you’ve said. It’s definitely a personal choice :) I have seen it hurt some athletes who regularly run in the carbon plated shoes and then been fine after switching back to more traditional shoes. I think it is a great idea to hit the big sessions in them. So maybe the 1 or 2 really key runs before a marathon. As you found it saves the legs plus gets you used to running in them again because they are odd 💪 Great video as ever dude!
@teresavanlokven9767
2 жыл бұрын
Like you say these Super shoes if you went for older ones are worth trying . The first I got a while ago were the mk 1 Hoka carbon x . I have used these on a few training runs only , can i feel the plate !? , there is more under the foot and you can jog w/u w/d in them in workouts and i can see myself making good use of them as trainers. The Adizero Pro (pink things) are hard work and the few park runs run in them don't inspire and i have run some good times in earlier Adizeros . I do like the first version of the Saucony pros and if you can run quick these will make running fast and fun but I got hold of a pair off Adizero Adios Pro 2's to use in my October marathon because I didn't think the Sauconys would see me to 26 miles. The pro 2's , I'm liking the Lightstrike in them but fear on my test run that you might going out too quick so I'm thinking I will have to do a couple of Marathon pace 10 milers in them to see if that '' this feels good '' lasts if I reign them in. Ian
@marcusnye1975
2 жыл бұрын
I use carbons once / twice a week in training. Use alphas / adios pro 2 for any threshold work and alphas for any very long runs that contain quality sections. Applied this during the current and last marathon training block and I can only say positives about this decision…. Saving my legs and allowing me to roll from one week into the next with far less fatigue. No injury signs if anything quite the opposite because of that fatigue saving. My other runs I use none plated daily trainers. Like you say no right or wrong for some it could increase injury risk others (and I feel it’s the case with me) seems to reduce it.
@artwersky
2 жыл бұрын
It is an important issue that you brought up. And one that I have been bothered about before making my purchase. A few remarks though: Any shoe change can cause injury as they might opt to changing the muscles used in each training session. The recommendation to use different shoes and different terrains to strengthen ones legs to prevent injuries. Is the same in this case. Another point as mentioned is the way the shoes promote recovery. That all of us want so that when we get to the next session we will not be dragging aces from previous days
@niketacruickshank9569
2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a super shoe runner and have never tried a carbon plate shoe. But feel it’d be good to do some workouts/runs in them to get the feel of them but maybe not all the time as like you said you’d loose the normal gate cycle but it’d be good to try them so your not getting an injury/niggle after a race day. I am interested in these shoes but find Nike too narrow and I’m doing quite well in the shoes I use at the moment, so not ready to take the plunge.
@toddboucher3302
2 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a pair of used endorphin pro. Planning on use tempo-day and maybe long run. Funny thing on the rest of my days I’m planning on running and stuff like barefoot shoes and a more flexible Altra. That only using them as a tool. On the other side I might hate him and throw in my garbage but if I love what they do I think I’m gonna still stick to my rule
@Luiizpg
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy thanks for the content, Do you include shoes like Speed, Boston 10, Magic Speed…?
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Anything really with a carbon plate in them…
@richshelley2922
2 жыл бұрын
I only use alphafly 1s and vapors with the occasional run out in prime x’s, don’t own a non plated shoe anymore, think only missed a couple of weeks over last year with injuries and that wasn’t shoe related. At 51 I don’t think I could run 60-80 miles weekly without them.
@i.p2088
2 жыл бұрын
I keep the plated in the rotation (Alphafly, Vaporfly and RC Elite V2) but maybe 20 percent or less of the runs or my hamstring and Achilles tendons are toast. I am 60YO.
@markhirdygirdy_runs
2 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on how good a runner you are. I think super shoes for someone of my ability (1:49 HM / 4:25 M) may be not beneficial at marathon races. I think for Runners like me it may be too unnatural in my gait cycle to gain any benefit of the softer foams. I think I gain a benefit at half marathon but I have ran 1 marathon in VF that didn’t go well. I ran by first marathon in Hoka Rocket X where the plate isn’t as prominent and ran better. Perhaps super shoes for runners of my ability are for up to HM and then marathon a nylon plated shoe like Saucony Endorphin Speed is the answer or a shoe like the Hoka Rocket X where you don’t feel the plate as much. I have some Puma Deviate Nitro Elites that I am starting to use for my longer runs hoping they will be my marathon shoe as they are more traditional than say a VF. I try not to run in super shoes for session work but instead select a lighter daily trainer shoe as I think some rockers / speedroll tech help me. Hope that ramble makes sense!!
@prayerXtantra
2 жыл бұрын
Totally in your camp, presently
@nealprice1813
2 жыл бұрын
It is indeed a personal choice but what is being put at risk to me is the weakening of ligaments and muscles that are not getting worked as they would naturally be which is crucial to longevity which as an older runner is what is important to me. For me knocking a couple minutes off my long run just isn't important. Great topic and as always, great job Andy. Picked up an OH-1, thanks for the help
@jordans1712
2 жыл бұрын
I agree in that the super shoes are special and give you a boost of "superior" running feeling compared to a typical higher mileage trainer. But the familiarity feel for the shoe is key ('sprinkling in' is a great word for usage). Use it (wisely) but don't be a hero and try to smash every PB in them.
@jasonbarry3737
2 жыл бұрын
I tend to save the carbon shoes for race day or hard training sessions and recovery, steady and long runs in normal shoes. Most the time use the Endorphin Speed for sessions and Pro or Metaspeed Sky in races. I definitely noticed my plantars tightened up after a few track sessions and track races in the Nike ZoomX Dragonfly and also doing a Fartlek in Vaporflys straight out the box. But also with the good weather too much time in flip flops or sandals doesn't help. It's about balance and doing a few runs/sessions in new shoes to get used to. The old adage 'Nothing new on raceday' rings true.
@mreuphonium
2 жыл бұрын
When i race and train a bit to much in them it impacts my ankle movement. As you say we are all very different. I think you can get used to it on the other hand over the years. It is compex, i tend to not use them to much, saucony speeds and other plated training versions have more forgiving plates , tend to use those a bit more in training. I also like to used older pairs sometimes , have flyknit vaporflys with lots of miles i use on the track. I ve been to Kenya recent, runners on the track and moiben use racing shoes a lot ,less on the dirt roads in Iten. Overall i tend to be on guard
@steveh8758
2 жыл бұрын
Andy what would be your alternative shoes to use instead of super shoe that are as close to the performance and protection as possible. The new balance rebel v2 is great for speed work Im as fast in that shoe as almost any but I’m not sure if it has a big enough stack height for long runs. I like soft with high energy return. I currently use the alphafly v1 for long runs because they save my legs like no other shoe but recently my legs have got super sore and tight I had 4 days off then the next run on Monday was a disaster I got 6k in and my legs where so sore and tight I had to walk iv given myself a week off so hopefully be better next time but starting ti think maybe I should try a non carbon shoe for the next long run
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
For me my go to longer interval / long run shoes that aren’t super shoes have always been the brooks hyperion tempo or the saucony endorphin speed. The speed has a nylon plate so the stiffness isn’t so much of a factor and I personally never suffered any issues in those, the tempo is my favourite but on the firmer side so probably won’t tick that box of softness for you. Have you tried the tempo next%? That uses a nylon/composite plate so again more flexible and less rigid? I wasn’t a fan of that shoe but so many people are!
@steveh8758
2 жыл бұрын
I do have the tempo next % but haven’t used it much and when I did it was a very fast tempo shoe so I will try that on my next long run thanks I also have the speed 2 although I don’t use that much because I got a cheep pair of pro 1s and I much prefer that for workouts or the rebel v2 although the pro 1 has a carbon plate so maybe I should try and use the speed more
@rogerhyland8755
2 жыл бұрын
At the moment there are alot of non plated shoe's to chose from but manufacturers are slowly bringing out more daily trainers with a carbon plate i.e NB SuperComp trainer/Adidas prime x, and I'm sure this trend will increase and choice will be more limited. I use plated shoe's twice a week for intervals and tempo run + Reebok floatride energy X (plate in forefoot) or saucony endorphin speed 2 (nylon plate) for Sunday long runs. I only have asics Noosa Tri 14 and Adidas sl20 as non plated shoe's. So far no injuries I believe the cushioning in plated shoe's help ease my legs as a 66 yr old runner I need this so I can go again the next day.
@JesusWasHeree
2 жыл бұрын
I tend to go for sale shoes since I'm not on masses of money and the little money i do have i like to put into races and travelling to them (not much on near me). The only plated shoe i train in is the hoka carbon x2 and i save that for long runs knowing my legs recover nicely after using them. I have a pair of metaspeed sky's for racing which are well worn but i think they'll last me till the end of next years races. Admittedly I'd love to give the pro 3 a go but it's just not realistic at the minute. I'm for using them if you can afford it but personally i wouldn't use them other than long runs or races because (cost aside) i feel like i don't need them & a cheaper daily shoe like the endo shift does what i need it for well enough for like a third of the price
@macoyupadoodle
2 жыл бұрын
I mostly have super shoes in my rotation and my easyish day shoe is the RC elite but rotate with my Sky V1, Adios pro 2, Takumi 8, Noosa 13 . Since im not a long distance runner (10-15km at most) i need the efficiency also so i can reach my distance , i also am not small ( i bodybuild ) so i need as much protection from shock as much as possible . I also do not like super soft , sinking feel mids . To adapt i sometimes use the super shoe for grocery runs / or short mall excursions. By doing this my body tends to adapt to the shoe ,so not that much adjustment or adjustment happens after a few steps when i use them for runs .
@alfred87
2 жыл бұрын
I've been dealing with plantar fasciitis for almost 3 months (thanks invincible) and the shoes that work better for me now are the vaporfly even if I don't love them, so i use the VF in all my long runs and seems like I managed to train for Berlin 💪🏻
@jackcutmore5473
2 жыл бұрын
As a Cyclists as well ,we would also have training wheels, and a set of race wheels,the physiological boost ,on race wheels was worth it in itself, plus with biking ,huge financial commitment. Like to think if you can hit your pace in clodhoppers ,put on the Vapourflys race day .Oh Yeah
@JeremyGiese
2 жыл бұрын
I have used super shoes at least 1-2 runs a week, at all paces even wore my metaspeed skys all day at work(I work in physical therapy) no issues. But as a person who has tighter ankles/minimal dorsiflexion and reduced metatarsal mobility, having a rigid plate and aggressive rocker tends to help me. But I like my flexible trainers. Use what is best for you!
@why-ng1rf
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Andy, This is a great topic, but you are talking about race-only shoes as training, but what about a meant to be daily trainer (like new balance sc trainer) with a carbon plate? Just curious! Thanks!
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah more and more of these are appearing, which I do worry about as soon it’ll be the new normal to have a carbon plated training shoe too!
@justanoldfashionedrunner605
2 жыл бұрын
What might be he result of feeling better during and after the hard runs? What might be the result feeling to work less and enjoy more, when the sessions are fast and hard? Maybe we run just a little faster, a little longer, take less time for recovery, change the race goal just a little.........and cross the red line into injury and/or over training?......we all know the old saying, better 10% under trained than 1 % over trained
@MarkSmith_Best-Athletics
2 жыл бұрын
Never heard that saying but I like it 👍
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
💯
@olly24c
2 жыл бұрын
My Amsterdam block has been really disturbed due to a ankle/calf injury caused by training in a carbon plated shoe.
@robbristle5642
2 жыл бұрын
I train in the Rebel V2’s , Pegasus 37’s, Adidas Adizero 4’s,Adidas SL 20’s,but when it’s time to race I slap on the Vaporfly next% 2’s,or the Adidas Takumi Sen 8’s. Once a week I TRAIN in one of those race shoes at a relaxing pace just to feel like I’M FLOATING IN LUXURY. AHHH RUNNING NIRVANA. 🏃🏃🏃🏼♂️🏃🏼♂️
@runnin3216
2 жыл бұрын
I've accumulated a lot of plated shoes over the past year on sale, so I do try to use them in training so they aren't just sitting in the closet (especially the ones I don't prefer to race in). I do pick my spots of when I'll use them and only once or twice a week and a lot of my other trainers don't even have much of a rocker. I've done a lot of faster long runs in The Artist and Endorphin Speed and recently picked up the Prime X (such a fun shoe). I'll do tempo runs on the roads in the Endorphin Pro or Adios Pro 2, but not for intervals on the track. I still like traditional racing flats for that and even shorter races. I save the Alphaflys and Deviate Elite for races. After my 5 mile time trial in the Alphaflys yesterday I may have to start using those in shorter races too. Absolutely crushed my pace from a 4 mile race back in July.
@tjaartvanderwalt2042
2 жыл бұрын
This also brings to the question of athletic footwear for children. The other day I went to a primary school athletics meeting and I saw a 10 year old running in spikes, and thought no way, I only started running in spikes when I was 17 years old. We use to run barefoot like most South African children use to do. We use to play (aka training) barefoot on the school's rugby and cricket field. We even ran barefoot on the track. We use tape our feet with plaster to protect our feet from blisters (African heat is a reality). We even ran cross country barefoot if the surface allowed for it. I always encourage parents to have their children run barefoot as long as possible but keeping in mind the surface, please don't let the kids run barefoot on concrete or tar roads. My point is, please withhold from "keeping up with the Jones" by not buy the kids the most expensive running shoes, let them run barefoot until they reach high school. (I hope that I never see a 11 year old in a super shoe again.)
@billlo9835
2 жыл бұрын
Have the same issue where carbon plated shoe affecting my calves badly when train in it everyday
@andrewjknoxuk
2 жыл бұрын
Just tried a 22 mile training run in the Endo Pro 3 this morning and my legs feel so much fresher. Would prefer to not use these too much but I love that foam 🤤 Thinking of picking up the Saucony Tempus now 🤔 Don’t suppose you’ve tried that one?
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t mate no but I’m tempted! The pros are great aren’t they 💪
@andrewjknoxuk
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner I love them, I sold the RC Elite v2s as they were too soft but these get the balance right on cushion, stability and pop.
@pegaxes84
2 жыл бұрын
IMO : Only for certain training specific workout, example : either speed or long-run for race day simulation, but of course not for most of the training run or just for easy run (also my wallet will cry if I do this) 😁
@steveflor9942
2 жыл бұрын
"Super shoes" are inspiring to train in. My Pace 2 is so good at showing relative performance of each. The only question: How durable?
@MiracleWarriors
2 жыл бұрын
I overpronate and so if my legs are already very tired before a long run I avoid using extremely Cushing or/and high stack middlesole shoes. Doing that I don't force my already tried ankles( and stress every thing else up to the my core muscles) even more . So what works for me is use a " normal" stack and firmer daily trainer or a trainer plated shoe that is not too high and unstable . Most runners prefer that extreme cushioning shoes when their legs are beat up. I find that more dangerous then actually helping, in my case.
@josephgonzalez_
2 жыл бұрын
I’m lucky, I don’t seem to suffer issues with supershoes. However, I do only use them for some of my fastest most taxing sessions (I.e once per week max). I don’t use them for easy, moderate or long runs. Well, for the long runs, I use the Tempo Next%s or Endorphin Speeds typically - but I don’t class those as supershoes.
@DevRunner
2 жыл бұрын
I wear my Endorphin Pros on my track days and my longest long runs, otherwise I enjoy the extra work required from standard running shoes.
@bh4560
2 жыл бұрын
I keep them for fast parkruns or races..train in velocity nitro and speed 2s ..Wear my vaporfly 2s and alphaflys for special days. Going for pbs and the likes.
@diggindan1498
2 жыл бұрын
I think you need to train in them a lot before a race, so you are used to them. You could get injured if you haven't and not got used to them. I train in them at least once a week and use another non racing shoe for slow runs and some tempo runs.
@tjaartvanderwalt2042
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the running community. Actually I wish someone discussed this risk 6 month ago. I have now sended almost $800 on rehab and specialist doctors and professors in biokinetics trying to fix my injury. I always believed in having a good shoe rotation. I made the mistake to run to often with carbon plated shoes. The professors and biokinetics had a look at video of my running gate cycle of 2017 and compared it to my current gate cycle. From the rear view it looks the same but from the side view and front view their could identify clearly that during the toe-off phase , i don't complete the toe off phase. They also measured my ankle mobility and that is substantially more stiff and rigid. Rigidity is most probably caused by stiff calves, sore tibialis anterior and super sore plantar. This muscles tightness cased a micro tear where the plantar facia connects with the 2nd & 3rd metatarsal bones in my right foot. Reason: training to much in plated shoes made my foot muscle weak or I neglected to strengthen my foot muscles. I think super shoes are excellent for racing, and please do a short tempo run before just immediately racing in them.
@globe8949
2 жыл бұрын
I think you have to keep some running form rules when you rotate shoes. E.g. you have to do that toe off motion intentionally whether you run in super shoes or not. It is most important to keep healthy foot condition during running. You may have other rules that are important as well what shoes you run in. I found the injury comes when I forget these rules when I switch to other shoes after running in one type of shoes for a while. When you run in one shoes for long you may forget the rules but still you do not suffer injury because your body becomes accustomed to the shoes and does exercise the rules automatically.
@tjaartvanderwalt2042
2 жыл бұрын
Something that is helping a lot with rehab is, doing a slow 2km warm up barefoot and doing cool down barefoot - of cause not on the road or gravel path, but on the grass track at the local high school. This promote the reset of my natural gate. Now something to keep in mind, if it took me a year to adapt my gate cycle running plated shoes, then might take a year to reset my gate. I'm a has been athlete at the age of 45, but I believe a old can learn new tricks.
@runfrankfurt
2 жыл бұрын
Of course you can use „Super Shoes“ in training as long as you are doing the majority of your runs in „normal“ running shoes. It is just like with everything else: it is the dose that makes the poison. Using super shoes for specific sessions once or twice a week won‘t hurt. Doing every run in them is probably not a good idea though. I use my Vaporflys as my longrun shoes once a week and also for some tempo sessions. All of my other runs are done in normal shoes - I run 7 days per week, so basically run in Vaporflys 2 out of 7 days with no issues.
@tazpengra
2 жыл бұрын
interesting about rigid shoes aggravating the plantar/achilles/gastroc system. I was wondering about that; what would be easier on that system, flexible or rigid, since I regularly suffer injury to that system. I don't have any very rigid shoes except for Skechers Speed Freek, which I've only worn a couple times for freeky speed workouts. But, I've been putting in miles with endorphin speed-2 and NB RC elite-2, as well as Rebel-2. The Rebel-2 affect my plantar noticeably less, and coincidentally, they are more flexible.
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah so the more flexible shoes you have, the more they’ll allow your body to go through the full range of motion. What I think a lot of people don’t think about is these shoes built with speedroll tech / curved geometry that forces your foot into that “easy roll through motion”… they’re less flexible and although the plates not there the curvature of the shoe still impacts things slightly… the rebels are completely neutral so much better for that natural range of motion… similarly puma liberate nitro is another good example
@tazpengra
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner I just got home from a hill repeat workout. I was watching THIS video when gearing up to go, and selected my most flexible shoes, Skechers GoRun-7. Definitely a lot less pain from my plantar. I have a road mile race on the 18th, and I think I'll stick to the flexy shoes until then, hoping this PF flare-up will reside. Now, the big decision for race shoes will be between RC Elite, Speed Freek, or the track-spike-like Skechers GoMeb Speed-6! I'm old, M59, so pace isn't going to be much better than 6:00, and I'm a "stride runner" with about same steps per minute whether 10:00 or 5:00 pace.
@dom_leary
2 жыл бұрын
I have a slightly alternative question for you... I have my first marathon coming up and have both Alphafly (1) and Vaporfly (1) available, I've only tried 10km in each and like them (except walking in the Alphas!). If I want to run the marathon in 7 weeks in them, how should I make sure they are right for me before the marathon without putting too many miles in them? My current plan is to run a tune-up half in 2 weeks and my longest long run (3-3.5 hours) in them but no more, probably in the Alphas. Does this seem reasonable?
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Best bet is to get a couple of bigger long runs done in them, one in each, it’ll be the best way to know… it’s what I do!
@dom_leary
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner thanks, I'll try that.
@dom_leary
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner Went out for a 20 miler in the Vaporfly yesterday, went well but before cardiac drift I'm finding my easy run pace (by HR) converging with target marathon pace... not sure what to make of that. I was trying to well lock down the fit but realised after the run I had quite a bit of pain on one side through lace pressure - is this a known thing with the Next%1 do you know? Thanks!
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
These thinner racing shoes can sometimes cause pain across the top there due to such a thin tongue, I’d you’ve really tied the laces tight it can often cause pressure across the top of the foot. Maybe try loosening them just a smidge next time?
@kikii1
2 жыл бұрын
Alphafly 1 and 2 = zero injury risk. Vapourfly = achey calves. Prime x - No injuries. Adios 2 - No injuries. I have various other supershoes but I tend to stick to the alphas. They fixed my last injury if anything. I sometimes use streakflys for for treadmill intervals but otherwise it's just supershoes and out of those, mainly alphas. Why? More fun than none supers, better protection and faster.
@simonhall7945
2 жыл бұрын
Hum an interesting one, if a person wants to get faster, get fitter and stronger then speed will come, I supposed if people want to fool themselves into thinking they are faster then supershoes are for you but it's not real your running on micro spring boards. Each to their own.
@jean-phil
2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully some scientists will eventually study this topic. Personally, I would be interested in data regarding speed results on race day after training in super shoes vs training in regular shoes. I have been enjoying Tempo Next because they offer so much protection that I always feel fine and never get any injury, even running always at maximum pace. But I'm starting to think that if I had done the same runs with a "weaker" shoe, I would have performed better on race day. After running in Tempo Next, Vaporfly feels almost like a racing flat lol.
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, there have been some "light" studies but nothing really conclusive... more just around efficiency of the shoes themselves!
@raysollarsthehappyjogger5907
2 жыл бұрын
Truly running shoe choice is subjective. My marathon pace is a slow 12min/mi. My only carbon racer is the ASICS Metaspeed Sky. Great shoe but simply not worth my investment. The S/E Speed is quite good enough for my skill level. Now that my Metaspeed Sky's are broken in, I only use them for racing. Once they are worth out, I will use my Speeds for training and racing, mostly racing.
@smoore8
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure how this video showed up in my feed, BUT this is something I think about a lot. In my opinion running with overly bulky cushioned shoes, and in particular, shoes that have a rocker form teach you poor running form and take away foot strength and proprioception. Running with all these crutches creates weak feet and reinforces inefficiencies that exist in running form
@krunoslavcelic453
2 жыл бұрын
Why, do you go to the shopping center in a Ferrari every day?
@krunoslavcelic453
2 жыл бұрын
your daily training should be as natural as possible in the mechanics of running, and when we come to the race then we need that 4% acceleration and we can withstand the change in mechanics.
@jcdenton7914
3 ай бұрын
Seems like carbon plates might help new runners drop the heart rate down for zone 2. I have to do 4mph treadmill for a zone 2 have that isn't a walk. I'm thinking i should fet carbon plates just for this and use regular shoes for speed work. I know this is backwards from normal conventions but it's not an ever day thing.
@kylestephens9593
2 жыл бұрын
When youtube runners say "oh this is exciting shoe i like it!" or "this is boring shoe" I can help but chuckle a bit. Even tho my broke ass can afford only the store brand shoes, i fell in the marketing trap of super shoes and bought myself one of Nike's super models. But of course from ebay for super cheap. :) To this day I don't get the excitement of shoetubers when they speak about these shoes. Yes, it's more enjoyable than your regular trainer at first, but after a while you get use to it, like you use to fine food or fine whatever. It becomes the same as everything. Andy is the only youtube runner who I feel free to comment something like this, most other running channels are so deep in their bullshit they believe it to be true :D
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Your comments are always welcome here, I appreciate you sharing 💪
@kylestephens9593
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheFODRunner thanks, mate :) you're the man
@laurainthehaute918
2 жыл бұрын
I think training for a race is like the ego-it’s alright to have a feast every once in a while, as long as it helps with the dishes. Chop wood, carry water, feast (run in super shoes), help with the dishes, repeat.
@TheFODRunner
2 жыл бұрын
I like this 💪
@ABucc
2 жыл бұрын
I personally do not train in super shoes because of the weight difference. I prefer to train in heavier shoes without any help from a plate, this way on race day when I do wear those super shoes, it will feel much easier and quicker to run in. I use baseball as an example, the way a batter practices swinging a bat with a weight attachment on it before he goes up to bat. By practicing swinging the bat when its heavier, will help you swing faster when you are trying to hit the ball. Same theory.
@Butterbuts
2 жыл бұрын
I always think that if it makes you feel good about running and just in general, then go for it and stuff what anyone else thinks haha
@richshelley2922
2 жыл бұрын
Also I’m at nearly 450 miles on a pair of alphaflys they will easily get over 500, race shoes of the past were never this durable
@garymanders1273
2 жыл бұрын
Anything that affects your natural gait cycle is bound to damage you and weaken some muscles and over strain others...long term injury is inevitable...limiting use when training makes sense to me.
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