I'm glad that people finally speak about Crimean tatars. They deserve their voices to be heard
@danylonimko8419
Жыл бұрын
Hasan be like: shouldn’t have gotten deported then, Crimea River, Tatars
@DruidHark
Жыл бұрын
It’s been over 85 years, move on. 😂
@yandespar3490
Жыл бұрын
@@DruidHark dude, you're talking about genocide not stolen candy
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
You realize Crimean Tatars were displaced by Ukrainians and Russians right? Why do Ukraine supporters constantly conflate Tatars with Ukrainians?
@Freerunx3
Жыл бұрын
have you met any of them? horrible people.
@i3yaz
Жыл бұрын
Hasan's stance on Crimea is so wild once you realize he grew up in Turkey. Like bro?? Have you never met a Crimean Tatar? I grew up in a relatively small city and had friends whose grandparents or parents had left Crimea it's not like they're a small community. Had he never asked to himself why they're in Turkey?? Also his rhetoric is blatantly imperialistic very disappointed in him.
@thesovgc
Жыл бұрын
No one with a perfect American accent like Hasan strictly grew up in a different country, I'm sorry. I'm unable to find exactly what age he was when his family moved to Turkey, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
@phangkuanhoong7967
Жыл бұрын
i still fail to see why Hasan is so popular among self-proclaimed leftist in the US. Like, get your leftist news elsewhere. the dude is just a little less half-assed than the other streamers/debaters.
@i3yaz
Жыл бұрын
@@thesovgc American accent isn't that hard to learn also I don't know what does visiting the US on summer holidays have anything to do with my point. (Edit) Also wdym when his parents move to Turkey? They could have only moved out. You can get this information easily from his Wiki page. He grew up in Turkey until his college age.
@Dutchwheelchair
Жыл бұрын
he probably said it because pols done by UNDP and a Ukrainian in 2009 until 2011. That a majority of Ukrainians and Russian in Crimea wanted to join russia. Do i think that what the taters want is more important yes. But the said reality is that nobody is gonna do do it
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
A Crimean tartar? You mean the people who were displaced by Ukrainian (and Russian) colonization? Have you ever met a Crimean tartar? Why do you want to force them to be part of Ukraine?
@MrMuel1205
Жыл бұрын
Hasan has done one thing for me. He has really made me appreciate leftist discourse that realises that being opposed to US barbarism doesn't entail signing up for the Russian or Chinese versions. Sometimes America and mad ol' Joe are the lesser of two evils. Ukraine is fighting for very fundamental, very human things. You don't need to love America or think modern Ukraine is angelic and perfect to want Russia to lose this war. You just need to like humanity. EDIT: Too many Ss in Hasan's name.
@Trashcom1917
Жыл бұрын
i wouldnt go so far as to call america the lesser of two evils. we're about on par with russia, but ukraine itself is the lesser of two evils
@Naptosis
Жыл бұрын
Precisely, if we all kept quiet until the countries we live in are perfect, no one would ever say anything, and dictators would commit genocıdes without fearing even the most minimum of pushback.
@dylanc9174
Жыл бұрын
@@Trashcom1917Historically you would be correct. But imagine if Russia had the power the U.S does now, how would they use it. Get my point?
@AlexGreat87
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, I've gotta share one book with you that elaborates pretty well on this: Imperialism by Vladimir Lenin; no, it's not pro-Russian propaganda, I think Lenin will call today's Russian Federation a capitalist state (that it is)
@ajiththomas2465
Жыл бұрын
@AlexGreat87 Lenin very much was a "do as I say/write, not what I do". Lenin. Is a counter revolutionary libcuck dictator.
@viatka1966
Жыл бұрын
I'm Ukrainian, Crimea is my home, and I haven't seen my home for 9 years now. How many of you would give up your home to a genocidal enemy who will never let you even visit it in peace?
@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ
Жыл бұрын
"Genocidal enemy" where is the genocide again? Where are the millions of dead? Why in the "greatest war of the 21st century" there have been about 10-14k civilian deaths?
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ You don't know that. Nobody knows what the Russian military has done to civilians in the areas they've conquered. Considering what the Russians have done in the areas that the Ukrainians have liberated there is every reason to fear the worst.
@tianqi5008
Жыл бұрын
Stay strong
@BGDNMMI
Жыл бұрын
I wish u guys peace!
@ry8539
Жыл бұрын
I would be angry with the west for provoking this war if I was you.
@alliova
Жыл бұрын
i'm crimean and lived under russian occupation all the way from 2014, and now finally fleed with my mother to the us temporarily. i believe, in the words of a famous crimean tatar activist, that this occupation will end - because it simply can't be otherwise.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
?? How is the Russian occupation in Crimea any different than how it was before 2014? The Russian military has already occupied Ukraine for over a hundred years.
@crismaster7498
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Dude that was forceful occupation and the Ukrainians broke away 4 times in the 1900s 1. Germany made it independent in 1917 after Russia surrendered. 2. During the Russian Civil war they seceded from Russia after Russia officially had the territory and then an Ukrianian anarchist state appeared in 1920 3. The Nazis set up a German vassal Ukrainian state which was hated by most Ukrainians and didn't achieve much. 4. The modern Ukrainian state begins here Also just because another country has occupied someone else land doesn't make it a claim, just ask the Poles
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
@@crismaster7498 Ukrainians are not native to Crimea. Tatars were there before them. Russians and Ukrainians both displaced tatars by implanting settlers.
@danciagar
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Ukrainians? Displacements happen under Moscow control, First by the Russian Empire and then by the USSR.
@lukabajic9729
Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that this is written from a fairly new account made 7 months ago. If we consider most people create google accounts in elementary school as part of curriculum, this would place you at 8-10 years old max today - and -1 to 1 year old in 2014. Or it's simply a bot account by Ukrainian MoD
@anthonyhayes1267
Жыл бұрын
The belief that Crimeans want to join Russia because they speak Russian makes about as much sense as me wanting my home state of Ohio to be English because my grandmother was born in Bristol. Anybody who wasn't happy with Ukrainian independence bugged out decades ago. Edit: spelling error fixed
@wile123456
Жыл бұрын
Majority in crime also voted to be with Ukraine after the soviet empire fell. And even then, if you really wanted a referendum, it should been done with oversight and not with a yes and yes option like Russia forced citizens to do when they invaded crimea in 2014.
@TeeBeeOhh
Жыл бұрын
tbf Ohio and England could make a "places people meme about being shit" kinda alliance
@rett_nord
Жыл бұрын
It's more complicated than that though - there are still people in Crimea who remember the times when it was an autonomous republic of Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic before the peninsula was transferred to Ukraine, and because of Russia retaining its naval base there even after the independence the population has been to a rather significant extent Russia-leaning, although most of it was due of a combination of "I can't be arsed to learn Ukrainian" and "looks like Russia has more money for social benefits". Very few people actually left because they were unhappy about the independence, the majority of ethnic Russians who remained in Crimea after 1991 mostly just enjoyed their autonomous status and also whined a lot when they had to deal with anything Ukrainian even a little bit. Crimea really is unique in this sense, although I don't think anyone will resist much if, or rather when Ukraine takes it back. I just hope they manage to do it sooner rather than later, before the majority of Crimean Tatars are locked up under false pretence and their language and culture is basically destroyed by Russia, because it's really bad and getting worse and worse for them right now.
@aoeuable
Жыл бұрын
At the beginning there was some near-majority will for Crimea to go it independent instead of as a part of Ukraine, but after getting autonomy status etc., actually being respected instead of mistreated, and given that the peninsula is dependent on Ukrainian water that died down. I mean Ukraine was a mess in those times but so was Crimea they were part of the same mess and looking towards digging themselves out of it. Becoming part of Russia never got any traction until Russia invaded and got the chance to fake referendums, at which point *of course* everyone was in favour.
@ravenmusic6392
Жыл бұрын
As someone from Bristol we could also probably do without the yanks cause we have enough tourists as it is
@jazminhegyvari8286
Жыл бұрын
This video’s timing is very funny.
@nachoolo
Жыл бұрын
A shame Prigozhin stop so soon. I was hoping for the rebellion to last at least for a few weeks or even a month or so.
@HomestarZombieSlayer
Жыл бұрын
@@nachoolothat probably would have been good for the west, so long as nobody won. Prigozhin winning would have probably been worst case Ontario.
@ricequin
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video. Most of the people who bang on about Crimea being “majority Russian” don’t care that it got that way thanks to genocide. Or that Russian speaking people in Ukraine were encouraged during the Soviet period while Ukrainian language and culture were suppressed.
@falconeshield
Жыл бұрын
Crimea should be given back to the Tatars. It's their land.
@milkmanlolzyo8658
Жыл бұрын
the people that say this unironically believe in ethno states
@georges4024
Жыл бұрын
Personally I find the 'liberal' argument that Crimea legally belongs to Ukraine is more convincing than the 'leftist' argument that Ukraine should get Crimea because Crimea became Russian through genocide. That would open the gate to a whole lot of other territorial disputes, because most borders changed through war and ethnic cleansing and genocide. Should Istanbul and Izmir go back to Greece because Turkey got them through war and genocide? Is there a time limit? (btw this is a far right and not a leftist goal in Greece). And what happens to the Russians living in Crimea? More ethnic cleansing to bring demographics back to where they were originally? Forced displacement? BTW I don't support Russia, I just have concerns about what the future will look like and if the war will be drawn out for another decade.
@ry8539
Жыл бұрын
That's not entirely true. If it wasn't for the friendly relationship they has in the soviet union and the transfer to ukraine there would have been way less Ukrainians in Crimea. You do realize Crimea was part of the ottoman empire right?
@ProfDCoy
Жыл бұрын
I was having a great night drinking with a bunch of Europeans in a Helsinki hostel around about the time that the occupation of Crimea happened, and the subject somehow came up. The Russian there (who was otherwise just a wonderful guy) said "do you hear anyone complaining? No. Because they're Russians!" At the time I didn't know enough to really have an opinion. But I think think about that comment a lot these days.
@pyritefoolsgold3521
Жыл бұрын
"I can't predict what's going to happen." This is demonstrated by Wagner doing a half-coup between you making and publishing this video.
@ProfDCoy
Жыл бұрын
I think that final point is the crucial one. I can understand a fear of anything more than a 0% chance of nuclear war. But giving up territory whenever an increasingly fascist regime threatens to use nukes is...how you eventually cover the world with a handful of nuke-owning fascist powers. And all of them have learned that nuclear sabre-rattling is how you gain territory. So what happens when they meet each other?
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
“You have a handful of nuke owning fascist powers, all of them have learned that nuclear Sabre rattling is how you gain territory…what happens when they meet?” Lol you literally just described what is happening right now and how the world already works.
@ProfDCoy
Жыл бұрын
@donovan4222 no I didn't. You just like to conflate all capitalism with fascism and all international politics with nuclear sabre rattling so you can say edgy things on the internet.
@skylarkesselring6075
Жыл бұрын
The cold war..? This isn't anything new lol
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
also the way to stop throwig that around further wmpty and scare that, beating russia is the best way, i mean ukraine and supporting them,.
@Scaleyback317
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 There's only one nation doing any sort of nuke sabre rattling or dick waving. Others have merely stated the repercussions should that particular Tsar ever carry out his threats.
@rct3LP
Жыл бұрын
The right-wing and tankie narrative that because most people in Crimea and eastern Ukraine spoke Russian thus they want to be part of Russia is pretty stupid. I’d challenge them to ask any Austrian if they want to be part of Germany just because we speak the same language.
@yuvi3738
Жыл бұрын
I don't care about race or ethnicity, but it's clear Crimea does want to be part of Russia
@rct3LP
Жыл бұрын
@@yuvi3738 In 91 they voted in a majority to remain with Ukraine. Russia invaded it in 2014 and relocated hundreds of thousans of people there while at the same time ukrainians fled. Under this logic all the territories germany settled with germans in the 40s should have remained with germany.
@yuvi3738
Жыл бұрын
@@rct3LP I don't care about a vote 30 years ago. The most recent polls and surveys shows that Crimeans largely support Russia
@rct3LP
Жыл бұрын
@@yuvi3738 after the Ukrainians fled in 2014 and russia settled it with Russians. Like I said. With this logic, Germany should also have kept all of the polish territories they settled during the war were they removed Jewish and polish people.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
You keep ignoring the fact that not only do Crimeans speak Russian, they vote for pro Russian governments, and polling has consistently shown the vast majority want to separate from Ukraine and join Russia since around 2008.
@samis6553
Жыл бұрын
Russia loses immediately if they take the nuclear option. I have my doubts about Russia having even near the amount of nuclear weapons that they claim to have. Nuclear warheads go old pretty quickly and seeing how they have been handling other weaponsystems I don't think they are in good condition..
@jloiben12
Жыл бұрын
Not only do nukes need massive maintenance, Russia still primarily uses liquid fuel for their nukes which requires EVEN MORE maintenance
@123nazar321
Жыл бұрын
surely most of them wont fell on Voronezh on mid flight
@alphana7055
Жыл бұрын
@@jloiben12Nukes don't need massive maintence, lol, they were built to last decades.
@asgar1852
Жыл бұрын
@@alphana7055 Even the us has troubles keeping their nukes in usable condition. Most of them are, after all, decades old.
@jloiben12
Жыл бұрын
@@alphana7055 I see you have jokes. Bad ones but still
@Crabslammer
Жыл бұрын
Russia has broken every treaty since the USSR fell, unless that treaty would invoke NATO article 5. I guess it’s nice of them to make the solution so clear
@ry8539
Жыл бұрын
You have got to be kidding right. The USA has broke every treaty until recently russia had kept every one. America broke SALT 1 and 2 every single nuclear disarmament treaty left. When russia was saying how important these treaty are to not destroy the world.
@Crabslammer
Жыл бұрын
@@ry8539 Remind me which treaty we broke with Canada
@ry8539
Жыл бұрын
@@Crabslammer how about the very first one they signed lol. The treaty of Paris. Then the usa invaded Canada. The only reason you don't know that is because you guys lost and don't teach your failures in school. Know your history before you come at me.
@universome511
Жыл бұрын
@@Crabslammerthe act of union of 1707
@mathiasrryba
Жыл бұрын
@@ry8539 Budapest Treaty rings a bell?
@eruno_
Жыл бұрын
Crimean Tatar organisations are overwhelmingly pro-Ukraine, that's very important point.
@yuvi3738
Жыл бұрын
But they're also like ... 8% of the population or something (sadly, due to genocide). The majority of ethnic Ukrainians and Russians in Crimea are pro-Russia. This is an undeniable fact
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Lol Ukraine colonized Crimea and displaced tartars.
@eruno_
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 You're delusional.
@dowgy177
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 fake news, eat sunflower seeds, etc
@ekesa07632
Жыл бұрын
@@dowgy177that guy has been sniffing glue cause he ain’t bringing up a single source
@markmikolay9019
Жыл бұрын
Good video, convincing points. I was in favour of Ukraine retaking Crimea on moral grounds but I thought that it would be impractical beacuse of the large Russian population, especially those moved there since 2014 but now I think that's a minor concern at most and they should absolutley retake it if the opportunity presents itself.
@michaelstodovski2219
Жыл бұрын
As long as they do not mistreat or deport the Russian population in Crimea.
@yidavv
Жыл бұрын
It's a massive concern. What plan do you have to aajority Russian populace that opposes you and your occupation? These questions and many more complicated ones will need answers. Which will also reflect on what we think about Ukraine.
@garethmartin6522
Жыл бұрын
I hope you take responsibility for that position when the Ukrainian Nazis commit genocide against the ethnic Russians, which they will.
@romanpistryak6070
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelstodovski2219Russian population that moved in after 2014 needs to be deported
@Naptosis
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelstodovski2219Unfortunately, that's precisely what russia has been doing. How does one properly address this genocıde? The children abducted by the russians, need to be returned. But many of those children had their parents murdered in front of them, by the russians. It doesn't seem like mistreatment to deport the people willingly participating in ethnic cleansing. And those russians who moved to Crimea, even though they knew it was stolen land.
@secondengineer9814
Жыл бұрын
First bisexual lighting, now dwarf fortress music? LonerBox is an incredible trend setter.
@skylarkesselring6075
Жыл бұрын
he definitely did not set either of those trends lol
@DylanBurnsTV
Жыл бұрын
New Lonerbox video on Ukraine? Hype
@fullcirclehistory
Жыл бұрын
You've made the greatest points about the War in Ukraine that I've ever seen from a KZitemr
@mikhaelgribkov4117
Жыл бұрын
BadEmpada truly gives some of the "wow, commies sure are dumb" takes.
@asdfzzz
Жыл бұрын
He's such a funny character. The guy literally wanted to have all Israeli Jews shot, and then walked it back to wanting to send all of them to concentration camp instead. He's like the perfect far-right caricature of unhinged online lefties.
@fell5514
Жыл бұрын
Bad Empanada is a communist like a dog turd is a chocolate bar. The resemblance is superficial at best.
@throwaway12124
Жыл бұрын
@@fell5514 He is a communist though by the common definition of communism that has existed for more than 100 years now. That is a regime modeled after the likes of the USSR or PRC. No one's using the word to mean people supporting communes anymore. I do notice that some in the US conflate communism and socialism though, while they're not at all the same. Socialism and communism split in meaning, with Socialists wanting democratic government (resulting mostly in social democracies) while Communists didn't trust the will of the people and wanted the vanguard party to assume control (resulting in authoritarian or totalitarian states).
@austinchasteeny
Жыл бұрын
@@throwaway12124there is some deep irony in saying people conflate communism and socialism having just said that USSR was communist
@fell5514
Жыл бұрын
@@throwaway12124 No he isn't, and that isn't the definition. What are you talking about? Communism is a political ideology that centers on collectivized control over the means of production and the transition to a stateless, classless society by means of revolution. In what fucking way does that even resemble the USSR or the PRC? Anyone who uses a definition different than that isn't using some kind of commonly understood vernacular, they're just wrong.
@mariusnita4346
Жыл бұрын
Amazing arguments. Great analysis as always.
@jloiben12
Жыл бұрын
Yes. Unequivocally they can so long as they continue to receive support
@michaelstodovski2219
Жыл бұрын
As long as they don't do mass deportations and ethnic cleansing on Crimea because the vast majority of it's population is Russian. Some Ukrainians might feel vindictive and commit reprisals. Especially since half of their military likes larping as German soldiers for.... Some reason.
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@michaelstodovski2219 Do you know the difference between Russophone Ukrainians and Russians? Any Russians that Ukraine expels will count as legal expulsions, certainly not as ethnic cleansing. I'm pretty sure they don't have a valid visa...
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
No they can’t, you can’t retake Crimea with the power of friendship, it’s a population that is hostile to Ukraine, and Ukraine is not in any position to take it even if they wanted to.
@jloiben12
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Yes yes yes. That’s why they voted to stay part of Ukraine when the USSR broke. It is why every time there isn’t coercion they choose to stay part of Ukraine. Ukraine has been able to liberate more illegally and illegitimately occupied territory than they have lost since we started giving them offensive weapons. You can cope all you want but it doesn’t change reality
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
@@jloiben12 Buddy that was 30 years ago, since then opinions have changed. The results of a survey by the U.S. government Broadcasting Board of Governors agency, conducted April 21-29, 2014, showed that 83% of Crimeans felt that the results of the March 16 referendum on Crimea's status likely reflected the views of most people there According to the Gallup's survey performed on April 21-27, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans' views, and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea's becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, while 5.5% disagree. According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, the majority of Crimean residents say they believed the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%). How much evidence do you need that crimeans don’t want to be part of Ukraine?
@orkinho1
7 ай бұрын
I guess the notion of the Russian army being in disarray was just propaganda and you fell for it like a fool lmao
@michaelzholob3171
Жыл бұрын
You are so correct on so many levels! 🔥 Good job on this amazing video! Probably one of the few KZitemrs whose opinions I can associate with on countless topics. My only issue with Hasan's content are some of his unjustified and quite stupid takes on the war. Fair play and keep making quality content!
@Whatshisname346
Жыл бұрын
The mistake is to pretend that Russia actually gives a toss about whether they keep Crimea or not. To Russia, Crimea is a meaningless symbol of national pride, like one of Shoigus silly medals. If they lose it, they’ll wallow in humiliation, virtue signal at lost glory but they’ll spin it it a way to say ‘well it was s*** anyway’. This is what they did in Kharkiv, in Kherson and what they’ll do for the rest of the war. I predict they’ll be telling themselves ‘we fought the entire of NATO and the collective west and almost won!’ by next year and wearing it as a badge of pride.
@danielsurvivor1372
Жыл бұрын
Or they'll pretend the fact they weren't invaded is good enough. As in "all those lives lost were worth it comrade! Now they won't dare to invade real ru!"
@AdamSmith-gs2dv
Жыл бұрын
Sevastipol is extremely important to the Russian navy. It's one of the few years round ice free ports Russia has
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@danielsurvivor1372 We fought them over there not to fight them over here.
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Well, it's too bad for the Russians that they're going to lose it for ever then.
@cl8804
Жыл бұрын
national pride is the least of it, you ignorant fool: crimea is russia's only hot-water port the other problem is that we already decided to let russia have crimea--in 2014. this is a bit late but on the other hand offers the opportunity to undo that mistake
@GellertKyosheval
Жыл бұрын
Love the title, sounds kind of like "Should Nick Vujicic win a triathlon?"
@zagreus5773
Жыл бұрын
Good video! Especially the point about the probability of Russia using nuclear weapons. Especially Russia's own nuclear doctrine updated in 2020. According to that doctrine even a war with NATO would not trigger it, unless NATO starts to invade Russia, drop nukes themselves or starts to demolish Russia's nuclear capabilities. Shooting some planes down above Ukraine would not cause this. We should not allow countries to use the fear of nuclear weapons to commit atrocities.
@SianaGearz
Жыл бұрын
Doctrine is a statement of intent. How well do you expect Russians to abide by rules that they set out themselves? You can't just with 100% certainty say "doctrine says no, thus it won't happen". And yet worth a push i would say. I don't think those nukes would even fly, there's a number of people in the chain who could prevent the launch, and by all reason they aren't all of the mindset that "the world without Putin isn't worth existing".
@maryanchabursky9148
Жыл бұрын
1991 the majority of Crimeans voted for Ukrainian independence, end of story (and no the proclamation of annexation which some mistakenly call a “independence referendum”, in 2014 isn’t democratic or representative).
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
under military occupation and violence done to, yah, nd i thinkthey shippen in russian too to get more numbrs.
@orkinho1
7 ай бұрын
Tbf in 1991 they also voted 95% in favour of joining the new Union Treaty as in independent subject from the Ukranian SSR. The 1991 Ukranian independence referendum only got around 55% of favorable votes on the other hand.
@maryanchabursky9148
7 ай бұрын
@@orkinho1 WRONG 92.3% voted in favour of the independence referendum the 55% figure is for Crimea (not including Sevastopol which had 57%). Meanwhile the new union treaty only got 76% across the entire uSSr. Additionally in Ukraine and additional question was on the referendum about Ukraine declaring itself a sovereign state. This is why Ukraine never signed the treaty because the support in Ukraine was contingent on this point (so basically Ukrainians wanted an EU situation). This is why the treaty was not signed sooner and then the August coup took place killing any prospects of a compromise. So nice try but between the blatant lies and feeble attempt to equate the two votes, your attempt to decide what Ukrainians wanted and what’s best for us based on your feelings doesn’t reflect reality.
@maryanchabursky9148
7 ай бұрын
@@marocat4749 they did, what happened in 2014 was as much a referendum as human rights being respected in ruSSia (i.e. in name only, in practice the opposite).
@orkinho1
7 ай бұрын
@@maryanchabursky9148 How am I wrong because you decided to change the subject? The numbers I provided are correct for Crimea which was the subject you yourself introduced. The mood was very different in other parts of Ukraine or the USSR, which doesn't dispute the fact that Crimea was way more favourable to becoming its own political subject than being part of an independent Ukraine. That's all.
@Bubble998Grunge
Жыл бұрын
Had never watched your stuff before--very much a shame. Haven't even finished the video and already am subscribing!
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
can't agree more. I had same point of view from 2014, talking that stronger response from Western powers should be done then. And here we are in full scale war with nuclear treats, nuclear power plant captured and Novokahovka dam demolished.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Have you considered trying NOT escalating the situation with Russia instead?
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Ukraine never escalated situation with Russia from 1991. Ukraine deescalate all this time: giving up nuclear weapon, leaving russian fleet in Ukrainian territory, giving trade preferences and open market for Russian companies etc. Have you consider that if Russia not keep annexing Ukrainian territories situation may be much better?
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Russia claimed 9 more regions as Russian historical lands and threatened to create Novorussia, leaving only western regions to Ukraine. Main problem that even Russian speaking population in Eastern Ukraine don't want to be part of new version of Soviet Union with average income similar to minimum wage in Romania and zero political rights.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
@@FLKRM I’m talking about the US escalating, not Ukraine. This is a conflict between the US and Russia with Ukrainian bodies. Russia didn’t annex any territories until 2014, when the elected pro Russian Ukrainian government was overthrown and replaced with a pro western government. Have you considered maybe if the US didn’t back a coup in Ukraine in 2014, didn’t trick Gorbachev into expanding NATO into Germany in the 90s, didn’t continuously expand NATO alliances and military activity closer and closer to Russias borders for decade’s, didn’t tear up arms treaties, etc. then maybe this invasion would not of happened?
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
@donovan4222 no, it's conflict between Russia and Ukriane. US just supporting Ukraine as it follows their geopolitical interests. Ukrainian elected Yanukovich in 2010 when he had eurointegration of Ukraine as part of his political program, after he made U turn people went on the streets in peaceful protest. Know your facts, stop seeing everywhere only bad America, Ukraine is independent state with population size larger than Canada or Poland, and people of Ukraine will be fighting against Russian imperialism with or without western support. Just war without western support will bring battles like in Bahmut or Mariupol to cities like Kyiv, Kharkiv and Dnipro.
@DMasterplanL
8 ай бұрын
I am glad I watched this, it reminded me not to interact with online politics, but to just use you as info dumps which I can use to filter and sort things out and reach my own conclusions. How can someone make so many videos on war in Ukraine, call out so many people on the correct grounds and still end up reaching the conclusion that is a gospel among the majority of "liberal" circles. It is not about your ilk not understanding Russian position (even when Russia's first 3-4 official reasons for war were blatant propaganda and lies), but refusing to accept that it is just that. That they have a red line and they were willing to go to war for it.
@Grav1lone
7 ай бұрын
totally agree with u mate
@Pitagoras501
Жыл бұрын
It's always buffling to me, when I listen Hasan or other American or Western comentators in the topic of Russia. Like, they really think that Russia makes a referendum to ask people what they think? I live in Poland and our history is full to the brim with examples on how Russia can manipulate elections, referendums and people. Shame, that Western comentators applies their standrads to Russia and defend Russia's horrible actions
@anonymoushiram7672
Жыл бұрын
The main problem I have with invading Crimea, is how said invasion would carry out. If you look at previous of Crimea the ones that line up with the current situation all required long term sieges of the peninsula. Given how many civilians live on the island, the already disparagingly bad water shortage present. I worry about a potential where millions of civilians would be starving with much greater civilian casualties than the already projected absurdly high military casualties. My worries aren’t enough to completely oppose the notion but it’s definitely something I’m worried about.
@nextlevelgamer6936
Жыл бұрын
Yea, if the civilian causalties would be that heavy then I probably would also be opposed to the retaking of Crimea. As much as I believe it is right for Crimea to return to Ukraine, the cost of that should be taken into account. If Ukraine is lucky, Russia will massively weaken in the coming months due to the consequences of the Prigozhin incident. Maybe that'll give them an opening to break through Southern Ukraine and establish first positions on Crimea. Pure speculation though.
@zagreus5773
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is certainly one of the problems. In general I am still for an invasion, but it is a complex situation. Ideal would be a fast amphibious assault that quickly overwhelms them, but it is currently unlikely that Ukraine has the capabilities. You could also do a long term siege but allow water, food, and medicine through while slowly demolishing military targets with rockets, bombs, and long range artillery. So there are ways.
@joendeo1890
Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough the invasion of Crimea during the Crimean war was actually over extended by a foolish British General. The Russian army had been overwhelmed. The Russian Fleet boxed into port. But instead of pursuing the army and smashing it definitively or speeding to take Sevastopol and take up defensive positions around the inportant port the British General decided to let the Russian army rememants regroup. The Russian Navy strategically scuttled their ships and became a city garrison. And then the British General decided to make it a long drawn out siege, taking position SOUTH of Sevastopol. Allowing supplies to reach the city and turning what could have been a decisive victory into a slog.
@falsum2701
Жыл бұрын
Ideally civilians would be allowed to leave through a humanitarian corridor.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Do you care at all about the fact that the vast majority of crimeans don’t want to be part of Ukraine?
@zotaninoron3548
Жыл бұрын
I agree with this largely. Particularly the end regarding how caving to nuclear threats increases rather than deceases nuclear risk. But I do have a slight critique. Crimea is more vulnerable that most of the other Russian held eastern territories. This is why literally everyone knew that Ukraine was going to strike their counter-offensive near where they did, in order to break the land bridge to Crimea. It makes it far harder to supply and its an intent to setup another Kherson situation. Where as its far harder to completely cut off the Dunbas from resupply. If Ukraine was going to have to fight for every inch of Russian held Ukrainian territory, Crimea would almost certainly be struggling long before the eastern front of the war did.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Lol so your solution to avoiding nuclear war is “just pretend nukes don’t matter and do whatever you want” wow so smart! I’m sure that could never go wrong.
@paperbackwriter1111
Жыл бұрын
Another point why Crimea should be part of Ukraine, whatever likelyhood there is regarding recapturing it, is that Ukraine needs the port in a post-war situation a lot more than Russia does. Exporting agricultural products, importing resources for rebuilding the country - all a lot easier with more ports in the black sea that are in good positions and haven‘t been destroyed by war quite so thoroughly. Russia has a lot of ports in other places.
@MungorTV
Жыл бұрын
In post-war situation there will be no Ukraine, my dude.
@moth5799
Жыл бұрын
@@MungorTV Depends on whether they win the war or not.
@MungorTV
Жыл бұрын
@@moth5799 there is no "win" situation. Economy is destroyed, people are gone. The only reason they still exist is being a western proxy.
@TheCkap35
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Keep em coming!
@Ihatemyusernamemore
Жыл бұрын
Crimea has to be retaken, if they don't their future economy is severely limited, plus it's like having a giant aircraft carrier parked on the door step, they should go all out to retake it. I would even argue Crimea should be prioritized over Donetsk and Luhansk
@IceBerg1620
Жыл бұрын
Maybe if you help them fight for it they could retake it. Pls go and help them, i will even buy you a business class ticket to Ukraine.
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@IceBerg1620 He doesn't need to go, the Ukrainians will retake Crimea anyway. The Russian Army is stretched to the breaking point, this is going to end in a general rout quite soon.
@IceBerg1620
Жыл бұрын
@@adrien5834 considering the fact that russia has mobilized only 1/4 of its entire army for this war (250k Soldiers + 50k Wagner). Sure buddy, russia will lose.
@adrien5834
Жыл бұрын
@@IceBerg1620 Funny. The Russians don't even have decent rifles to give to new troops anymore. They're done.
@pennyforyourthots
Жыл бұрын
@@IceBerg1620oh, you mean the same Wagner that they're currently having to negotiate with so they don't take Moscow lol? Firstly also, even if those personnel numbers are true, that's not a guarantee of victory. This isn't medieval times where we just send a bunch of guys charging at each other with Spears. Russia is currently having logistical nightmares trying to keep their troops supplied, so even if they had numerical superiority, that doesn't actually mean that those soldiers are equipped to fight. It also seems that the war isn't particularly popular, so whether they can keep that number that high remains to be seen. Soldiers are important to winning battles, but it's logistics that wins wars.
@robertlavery6896
Жыл бұрын
Taking Crimea militarily would likely be next to impossible, siege would be better, destroy the bridge, and target all shipping to Crimea.
@michaelmurray7425
Жыл бұрын
Great video dude. You seem to hit the perfect balance of great info great pacing and superlative dead pan shithousery that hits every spot in my brain for what it wants in order to grant me good time endorphins. Thank you.
@somedudeok1451
Жыл бұрын
Solid logic. You are absolutely correct with all of your arguments.
@antoniorodriguez5849
Жыл бұрын
im waiting on the video "why china should take back taiwan" cause we are being consistent right?
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
Hmm, not that title but a good topic, and no, taian is long enopugh established taiwan to , ino they dont. But agree good topic.
@MrDintub
Жыл бұрын
How can you take back what you never had? There has never been PRC prescense on Taiwan.
@antoniorodriguez5849
11 ай бұрын
its a part of china, where the loosing side of the ciil war went and establish a military dictatorship. If the confederacy took over alaska after the war wouldnt the union be entitled to reclaim it? and if not at wich point do they loos the right? if 10 more years happnes ucraine should give up then cause the donbass will be independent by your logic@@MrDintub
@MrDintub
11 ай бұрын
@@antoniorodriguez5849 ironically, Alaska was Russian until 1867, with the american Civil war ending in 1865, and Russia selling it for it being undefendable after having lost the Crimean war. In either way, the CCP never set a foot on Taiwan, but Crimea was granted to Ukraine in the 50s. There is no real comparaison to be made here, since the situation between Taiwan and the CCP requires a contition if two governments claiming an island which one side has never ecer been on.
@Mish844
10 ай бұрын
we are, which is why smart people don't support this postulate
@Nicolatteaur
Жыл бұрын
Liking and subscribing just because this depressed me a lil bit. Yes, this is the good stuff.
@2pacula780
Жыл бұрын
This did not age well after their failed offensive
@mitotakjde9763
Жыл бұрын
RIP prigozin, my favourite Russian clown. I wish that he had time to cause even more chaos in Russia
@gibberish131
Жыл бұрын
If the Sevastopol Naval base is no longer under Russian control, would the Russian influence in Crimea go into decline?
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
nah, only after TV broadcast is not under Russian control
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Lol that Russian naval base has been there for over 100 years
@gibberish131
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 As part of Kharkiv pact leasing agreement?
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
@@gibberish131 Through various forms of either direct Russian ownership or “leasing agreements” yes.
@FLKRM
Жыл бұрын
@donovan4222 lol ukrainian settlements in Siberia were there for over 300 years
@klein8697
Жыл бұрын
As an Israeli I found the compression intresting, The idea of not returning land due to a settling population has basically been the plan of the right here with the west Bank, But I think a lacking element in the discourse is the ground level reality of such a situation, it's messy, it's volatile, it can get ugly. A searious land back movement needs to consider the human element, even artificially pumped settelrs have real passion about their homes, the fantasy of a clean power transfer post battle is silly, only talking history and ideology is detached, it's like a bread baking manual that only talks about the cultivation of wheat. While I probably agree with you more then with hasan it feels like both of you are playing at the same level. (also I don't really get why hasan is mentioned so much, we're talking about crimea annexation, not the xqc kick deal)
@cricketspike
Жыл бұрын
To try and steelman it, Id guess its because Hassan has a huge following who probably agree with him or just listen to what he says and takes it as fact. Its helpful to know where there are alot of people who disagree with a certain point and on what grounds, especially when they are in similar circles to you. Otherwise people may ask "who are you even arguing with here?"
@klein8697
Жыл бұрын
@@cricketspike I guess, if thats the goal it probably would've worked better if the clip was longer so we could see the reasoning and then properly counter it, but that would also be delving deeper into online leftist infighting and away from searious discourse
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
“The plan of the right” you mean the plan of the Israeli state right? The entire state of Israel is a settler colony. A “land back movement” is not what’s being discussed. Ukrainians helped colonize Crimea and displace Tartars, Ukrainians are not tartars, tartars are a small ethnic minority. What’s being discussed is whether Crimea is controlled by Ukraine or Russia. If Ukraine controls Crimea, like they did from 1991-2014, absolutely nothing changes for Crimean tartars. It’s no different to the British and Americans fighting over who controls the colonies, it makes no difference to the native Americans.
@klein8697
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 there is a specific right wing movement inside Israel of the settlers which i am referring to, kinda funny i tried to make a point about the need to discuss current situation and practical tactics and you immediately jumped to broad statements. as for the situation in Crimea i think it's better under Ukrainian control for the simple reason that a liberal Ukrainian rule is better the actively oppressive Russian rule, but i am not an expert. an Israeli equivalence would be the alliance between leftists and centrist liberals in the current anti-legal-reform protests, because even though we hate the centrist liberals we know they are far better then the radical right and can be pushed into progressive action for the sake of a coalition. dreaming of fully automated gay space communism is fun, but it ain't praxis.
@moth5799
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Ukraine controlling Crimea makes life a lot, lot better for Crimean Tatars. Hence why they vote overwhelmingly to be part of Ukraine, look at the polls mate, even the ones you yourself cite. Just because you're some racist islamophobe who wants another genocide doesn't mean everyone else does. The Tatars deserve to have their voices heard, not crushed by right-wing neo-nazis like you.
@___.51
Жыл бұрын
We love our inexpert speculations
@azlanadil3646
Жыл бұрын
The real question is can Russia take back Rostov, lol.
@sprintfoxy1240
Жыл бұрын
I dont get the argument of in 1870 it was tatars majority, yes they are still tatars in Crimea but its not the majority, and if you say "well genocide", tell me one country that hasn't commited genocides against population to integrate the territories. It is something dramatic but we cant change that ! But what we can do is to stop supporting the war and force peace talks ! If this is really what you want of course...
@hulkmt
Жыл бұрын
russia is still in ukraine bro wdym peace talks
@sprintfoxy1240
Жыл бұрын
@@hulkmt Bruh
@JonThomas92
Жыл бұрын
Okay here's my reasoning, because it's their territory.
@andrewtully3622
Жыл бұрын
**furious Vatnik noises**
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
i agree, i think the re of ukraine has priority, but if they can, yes they should .
@bigsmoke4592
Жыл бұрын
using the term "indigenous tatars" is kind of joke. they also migrated there from central asia and mongolia. russia still bad and wrong of course but you don't need to chose such misleading language
@pikmin937
18 күн бұрын
With Ukrainians in Kursk now and still no nukes, think it's safe to say Crimea won't cause a nuclear winter in the future either
@danielsurvivor1372
Жыл бұрын
0:56 How did they lose 106% of certain tank? Does it mean they literally lost all of their tanks of that kind and had to borrow/buy that 6% from belarus or somewhere else? 😂
@Luciry123
Жыл бұрын
I think they lost a lot of the old Stockpile of them that they brought back into service part way into the war
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
It's based on initial invasion numbers. If more than 100% are taken out it meant the Russians had to take vehicles out of their reserves.
@austinchasteeny
Жыл бұрын
Because those are 2022 stockpile numbers, so they don't include recommissioned or new production
@Kmlcvlk999
Ай бұрын
But 45 is old right? We would not go ask displaced germans descendants for anything for ex-majority german regions of europe in any situation. So why tatars?
@markusmeldre
Жыл бұрын
After prior to the invasion borders and before taking Crimea, wouldn't Ukraine also have to retake Donetsk and Luhansk?
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. It depends entirely how the future battles play out. Because if Ukraine reaches the Sea of Azov they can threaten Crimea before retaking Donetsk and Luhansk.
@VORASTRA
Жыл бұрын
Donetsk and Luhansk are on different front. After, before or the same time, doesn't really matter in this case.
@xtieburn
Жыл бұрын
Nobody who isnt an online tankie is arguing that Russia is good for Crimea or treats Crimea well, but referencing a demographic change no matter how brutal that happened generations ago and saying 'the leaders are bad' does not seem to me to be a great argument for entering a protracted war across the place. It certainly hasnt been in the many attempts Western powers have made using similar if not identical arguments that resulted in destabilizing great chunks of the world... As far as Im concerned an actual left wing argument is the same as ever: Do you have the bulk support of the people of Crimea for an intervention? Thats it. Unflinching solidarity with the people. Thats why we should stand by Ukraine, and if the Crimean people want change, why we should stand by Ukraine taking it back. I dont know what the politics of that really are, Id need to look for trustworthy sources on it, but if Hasan is right and the people overwhelming want to be with Russia _regardless of how they came to that conclusion or how much you personally agree with it_ then thats the end of it. Period. The fact that LonerBox danced round that point certainly doesnt look good to me. Yes, we should provide whatever support we can to oppressed minorities wherever they are, but that is not a justification for all out war. I get that thats a hard pill to swallow*, but you are talking about conflict that would harm orders of magnitude more people than they seek to help. (Hell, Ive only seen opinion pieces that are hardly broader evidence of the thoughts on this, but even at least a portion of the Tatars themselves dont seem eager for Crimea to be turned in to a warzone for their benefit at this point. So Id like a lot more detail on their views as well.) Long story short: If LonerBox or someone else can argue that the people of Crimea are in support of this then you can ignore all these concerns. Im not being dismissive, Im not blindly believing every poll out of the region; There is every chance that that argument exists and is robust, Im genuinely interested in the substantive credible evidence on what Crimeans broadly want as to me, thats paramount. If that evidence doesnt exist or is way to murky however, if the conflict over Crimea may require fighting the majority of the people of Crimea themselves, then no, Im not on board, and I dont think anybody should be. *and I know some jackass is going to act like Im Chamberlain (Itself usually a reductive and stupid argument) but no, in order to make the situations at all comparable youd have to rewrite great chunks of history, as at no point have I suggested you shouldnt stop expansion. We are not talking about giving up Crimea as LonerBoxs last segment frames it, it was already given up. The possibilities are wildly different had we acted to stop the annexation in the first place. The holocaust, the war in Ukraine, theyd likely never have happened in such a scenario, but thats not the reality we face: Crimea was a prelude to this very war, but now the war is happening thats not what they are anymore. I.e. when Ukraine and co crush the Russian forces within their presently defined borders that sets the non-negotiable line, the slippery slope ends right there, and there is little reason to think that taking back Crimea would make future incursions less likely to happen. On the contrary, and especially if Crimeas population rejects the change to a large degree, it could act as an instigating factor in Russias next attempt at taking the whole region.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Жыл бұрын
Well, part of this war is about making sure there won't be a next attempt by Russia. Most people aren't aware but Ukraine is destroying Russian artillery pieces every day, to the tune of 30+ in some days. They're not just fighting to get Russians out of their land. They're also making sure they're going to leave empty handed.
@yoloswaggins7121
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's possible to know what Crimeans want because Russia is so authoritarian. That being, it's likely that a majority of Crimeans want to remain Russian today because they have spent the last decade moving Russians in and pushing Ukrainians out. But prior to 2014 I highly doubt that a majority wanted to be annexed by Russia. The annexation only happened 9 years ago so I don't think Ukraine taking control is a big deal. If the Russian population are really thag unhappy they can just move back to Russia as they will still have connections there. That being said, if Ukraine insists on taking Crimea it will make it very difficult difficult achieve peace. I doubt Putin would be willing to sign a peace treaty of it meant giving away Crimea, as that would probably be a death blow for his rule. And even if Ukraine can take it by military force, they cannot really force Russia to surrender. They cannot invade Russian territory since Russia has nukes and it would cause the international community to turn against them. So even if they do take Crimea by force, Russia could just refuse to make peace and spend a few years rebuilding and preparing for another assault and Ukraine can't really do anything about it.
@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ
Жыл бұрын
So first of all that vote (1991 Ukraine independence) had a turnout under 60% and it barely achieved 54% of support. There was not vote to leave Russia, this vote was about leaving the USSR, not Russia. There was another vote in 1991, this time with a turnout of 83% and the result was that 94% of Crimeans voted to secede from Ukraine. According to the Gallup's survey performed on April 21-27, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans' views,[147] and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea's becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, while 5.5% disagree.[147] According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, the majority of Crimean residents say they believed the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[148] According to a poll of the Crimeans by the Ukrainian branch of Germany's biggest market research organization, GfK, on January 16-22, 2015: "Eighty-two percent of those polled said they fully supported Crimea's inclusion in Russia, and another 11 percent expressed partial support. Between 2007 and 2011 the UN developement program for Crimea conducted a series of polls, all of them show a 70% support of unification with Russia.
@aneeshramaswamy6283
Жыл бұрын
@@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ The referendum in 1991, as finally carried out, was not to secede from Ukraine but to re-establish the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. It is misinformation that the referendum question involved anything about asking to secede from Ukraine. Any polls after 2014 after the Russian-military involved landgrab are very suspect. The presence of the same military within the region that is the subject of unification should be an automatic disqualifier. Suppression of dissident groups and Tatar people add to suspicion. I couldn't find any information about the UN development program's polls.
@Zz_Mike-Hawk_zZ
Жыл бұрын
@@aneeshramaswamy6283 I cited polls from before 2014, you can literally look up, UN developement program Crimean polls 2007. Also The establishment of the Crimean SSR means secession from Ukraine.
@thodkats
Жыл бұрын
Wow. So you are actually advocating for incredible loss of life, for this to happen. You really are an imperialist, western chauvinist. (but if Hamas fights (symbolically) back at Israel, that's bad, right ? )
@lonerbox
Жыл бұрын
eh, if ukraine started specifically targeting civilians with rockets and suicide bombings, i'd more likely condemn it and i definitely wouldn't call it 'symbolic' lmao. if hamas knew you were describing their actions in that way, they'd be insulted
@thodkats
Жыл бұрын
@@lonerbox Eh, are you aware of what Ukraine has been doing to other Ukrainians since 2014 ? But, the question remains : why do you want hundreds of thousands of people to die in order for Ukraine to retake Crimea ?
@citywatchful
Жыл бұрын
@@thodkats now Russia is killing Russians in the Donbas region. Russia can leave crimea, justice must be served.
@thodkats
11 ай бұрын
God damn this comment of mine aged incredibly well
@44theastessex
Жыл бұрын
Taking crimea would be better before securing the eastern front, as Russias forces are too busy. Any redeployment to reinforce crimea would then weaken the eastern front. If they hold off until they retake the 2020 border, then all of the russian forces can go to Crimea, whilst ukraine would have to maintain a large defence force to prevent the russians from invading again. Then again, im not a soldier and live in western europe so I have very little knowledge of on ground situation and im not putting my life on the line. Heres to hoping Ukraine wins quickly to end the suffering.
@talesofunity
Жыл бұрын
I really love your background music while talking about the human rights abuses and atrocities in Crimea, a very smart choice
@nw42
Жыл бұрын
Claims to be against nuclear war, yet continues to drop bangers. Curious.
@ravenmusic6392
Жыл бұрын
I think an argument against it (pushing aside all the "ethnic Russian" rubbish) is just the simple fact that this would involve expanding the conflict to a part of Ukraine which has been (relatively) unscathed by it. The military situation is also very different, Russia can use its reserves and national guard for crimeas defence, and will absolutely dedicate whatever it has left to it, and if Ukraine fails to take it, Russia may gain some legitimacy in the eyes of its people about "winning" the conflict. I just think Ukraine needs to define what "victory" looks like and achive it to inflict whatever defeat it still can on Russia. That being said if Ukraine can take crimea without mass bloodshed that would still be fantastic as of course we shouldn't bow to territorial annexation under the pretext of a referendum
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
The population wants to be a part of Russia and would resist a Ukrainian “liberation”
@ravenmusic6392
Жыл бұрын
@donovan4222 A part of it does, yes, and would probably resist, so what? You can't conduct military operations against another country to break away ethnic majorities, if they're more Russian it should be put down to a referendum which doesn't involve little green men, I have no problem with Crimea expressing it's willingness to join russia, but what we're talking about here is territorial sovereignty, not the "will of the people". Also I did say one of the arguments against it was the high human cost
@noahvcat9855
6 ай бұрын
The thing about the Nuclear Argument is that it is literally shooting yourself on the foot, hence Nuclear War probably won't happen to begin with
@1drumshark
Жыл бұрын
Always thought the nuclear fear mongering was a little overblown. Good video.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
“Always thought the nuclear fear mongering was a little overblown” -last words before nuclear war
@Heidi2003
Жыл бұрын
Always appreciate your wisdom !
@alvarorey9308
Жыл бұрын
Honestly, given how weak Russia is I genuinely think it's possible.
@PunCala
Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic channel.
@UncannyXander
Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly depressing for all involved.
@jeanssold2131
Жыл бұрын
Well, you should probably ask Crimeans first.
@MrDintub
Жыл бұрын
Sure, ask all the native Crimean Tatars. Russians living there replaced the forcibly removed Tatars under Stalin, so they, the Russians, do not deserve a say in the matter
@jeanssold2131
Жыл бұрын
@MrDintub according to that logic the poles who replaced Germans in places like Silesia also don't deserve to decide the future of their homeland, so congrats on your nazi believes I guess. Anyone who was born on any territory has the right to decide its future, regardless of how their ancestors got there
@hulkmt
Жыл бұрын
@@jeanssold2131 so a nation can just slaughter everyone in any strategic location, replace them with their people, then do a poll asking which country should these preople be under and then annex that territory once it's conveniant? oh yeah no problem there
@ethan6627
Жыл бұрын
@hulkmt welcome to the history of every country, the USA, Canada, etc. I think it's harder to find a country which hasn't done that.
@hulkmt
Жыл бұрын
@@ethan6627 in the 20th century?
@wile123456
Жыл бұрын
Even if people democratically wants to join the fascist dictorial empire, that is still a bad outcome and should be avoided.
@Acidlib
Жыл бұрын
Wake up babe, new lonerbox!
@Aquadolphin314
Жыл бұрын
21:25 - Google's pronunciation is incorrect, as usual. The correct pronunciation of his name has the emphases on the last syllable of each word, so Mo-*she* Da-*yan*. And if you want to be even more precise, you should make the O sound more "straight". In English, when you pronounce an O sound you usually automaticallt follow it with a U sound, but in Hebrew we never do that. Same with the E sound, in English it tends to be followed by an imaginary Y, which is out of place here.
@alexandernicolenko8127
Жыл бұрын
But tatars didn't always live there either. Before the mongol empire there were other indiginous peoples. I think appealing to whose soil it is historically is bad, because that way you can twist things around however you want. Before tatars there were greeks and romans there, so could as well give Crimea to Italy or Greece by that argument? Oh, there were also germans there while the goths dwelled there. :P
@Halberd96
Жыл бұрын
Russia is reliant on imports from Europe and the US (and a few asian countries not including China) to fuel its economy but most importantly to produce stuff for the war, these imports in particular are CNC and precise machinery tools. Russia can't make enough on its own or buy enough from China (who have the same problem) because its a very niche hard to build industry (both China and Russia for years have tried to eliminate this reliance) The point is, if these countries sanction those CNC / precise machinery tools, this is very very bad for Russia's production of weapons, and very bad for their war effort and economy. WHY Ukraine or the west haven't pushed for this yet is beyond me, I guess Germany and Italy would lose a few jobs in those industries. Instead we have very half assed sanctions.
@SianaGearz
Жыл бұрын
I don't believe you're quite right. The scale of Chinese manufacturing economy is humongous and basically cannot be grasped by our small minds, since it supplies the WHOLE world with manufactured product. Imagine tools used by Chinese were to magically "wear" just several percent faster than they really do, retired a little early. Or the retired pieces that are already swapped out on schedule as a matter or routine maintenance just to keep the manufacturing rolling smoothly and are still usable but with very little life left on them, these all make their way to Russia. This can keep Russian military industry going, inefficiently, with increased defect rate and manual labour, but without raising much of an alarm. Since it's really tiny in scale in comparison. Furthermore while many European and American suppliers have largely self-imposed sanctions, there are obvious signs of grey import, as the exports into Central Asia are skyrocketing. These countries are corrupt enough that they can make the paper trail disappear (for a price), but sanctioning them can be difficult to justify. And yet i'd love to see the international community try, because it's way more promising than any other approach. De-industrialisation of Russia as an explicit goal. Have them struggle for such basics as endmills and ball-bearings, metallurgy supply chemicals, etc, see how well they fare. Don't know if the squeeze is worth the juice, but it's bound to have at least some effect, whether military or economic. And after all, China is trying to be stealthy at any support they provide, they can't really risk going too obvious.
@siohunndai
Жыл бұрын
I'm sad Russia didn't even up having a civil war, I wanted to see the current regime burn.
@alphana7055
Жыл бұрын
Least bloodthirsty first world liberal
@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462
Жыл бұрын
Never going to happen. As unpopular as Putin must be right now the Russian public and Army weren't about to side with Prigozhin of all people.
@donovan4222
Жыл бұрын
Liberals stop rooting for Nazis to own Russia challenge
@siohunndai
Жыл бұрын
@@donovan4222 Not a Liberal, it would just be funny to see some new fascists instead of the same bald one.
@marocat4749
Жыл бұрын
utit set a precent hat other poligarchs could set their mercendary dgroups and raise tensions. I man sucks for average russians, but he showed thats possible. There is a reason for the purge after, to project strengh, but stillis undermined wiht progozin fine and free and stillhaving fans and respect.
@uniball5667
Жыл бұрын
Alright, so not to be a doomer, but a lot of what you pointed out in this video is the reason I don't think nuclear war will happen the way people think it will. If WW3 happens, what I've been saying for years is it will devolve into trench warfare. ATGMs, SEAD, SAMs, but most of all information gathering and Quick Reaction Forces like CAS have made combined-arms warfare nearly impossible without total material superiority. In other words, we've become so good at combined arms warfare, we can perfectly counter each other's combined arms. It's like two fencers who continuously parry one another, so neither can go in for the winning blow. So imagine country A and country B go to war with one another. They're both nuclear powers, so MAD keeps them from immediately firing their nukes at each other's STRATEGIC targets (remember that word strategic) and the war starts out pretty conventional and like in Ukraine and for the reasons stated above, this hypothetical war devolves into trench warfare, since neither side can achieve a decisive break through. Now, let's say you're country A. Country B, after many months of stagnation on the front line, manages a breakthrough and your lines are collapsing. This is where we finally get to the video. As Lonerbox the Chad said, most nuclear armed countries have hard red lines when it comes to use of nuclear weapons. So let's say country B is getting ballsy and decides to push their initiative, and in doing so are about to cross one of your(country A) red lines. Now, seriously ask yourself, are you going to launch your nuclear arsenal at country B's strategic population centers? Especially knowing damn well they will react in kind? Or will you use your nuclear weapons TACTICALLY and fire them against country B's army in the field? See, 'Strategic' and 'Tactical' aren't just "big nuke vs small nuke". Their referencing the ROLE of the nuclear weapon. Tactical nukes are designed to be used to turn the tide of individual battles/operations, and strategic nukes are designed to attack strategic targets and cripple your opponents economy. So, back to our fake little war, are you SERIOUSLY going to bring about the apocalypse as Country B nears your red line? Or, are you going to use a Tactical nuke to stop B's Army from crossing that line? After all, its a 100% military target, which means if B retaliate, faced with the same question they will also probably choose a tactical target. So, essentially WW3 looks like WW1, except a lot faster and orders of magnitude more casualties per battle. Why do you think our armored vehicle's are designed to protect the crew from radiation? If the military was planning on just engulfing the world in nuclear fire, that doesn't make sense. However, if you're planning on fighting in an irradiated, PROTRACTED nightmare, where your forces need to quickly dash across no man's land before the next nuke hits, it makes a lot more sense. In the end, I don't believe WW3 will end in a bang, but a whimper. As the countries involved exhaust their manpower and resources over the years of endless carnage in a nuclear no man's land, they would either just stop fighting or would succumb to internal strife. There would probably be 100's of millions dead, with entire regions left uninhabitable, irradiated wastelands for generations to come.
@romeo31108
Жыл бұрын
Whit the number they did on the kakhovka dam now Crimea will no longer receive water through the North Crimean Canal and if Ukraine will reach the Azov sea they will be able to target the Kerch bridge that links the peninsula to Russia. If Crimea will be Isolated and in reach of Ukraine's short and long range weapons then for Russia that will be a huge problem so I'm not sure how they will justify to themself to hold it considering all the possible vulnerabilities and the expenses necessary to keep it.
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
So you have undeniable evidence that they did it? You should share it with the media.
@alphana7055
Жыл бұрын
Absolute sheep western cornsyrup consumer right here
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
@@alphana7055 Who? Me?
@romeo31108
Жыл бұрын
@@angela_merkeI I couldn't care less about what the Russian can claim, they are guilty apriori as far as I'm concerned. And regardless, the end result will be that the mafia state led by pigs will not be able to hold Crimea.
@romeo31108
Жыл бұрын
@@alphana7055 Russian sympathizer and probable pedo judging by the anime profile pic.
@nekoill
Жыл бұрын
So that they can keep neglecting it and not doing shit for the region on the account that it is "an autonomous region"? Tbh, I have no idea whether they _should_ but what's crystal clear by now is that they can not do that for the life of them. They need like 500x the people to do that, and that's assuming every single one of those people would be enlisting with prior rigorous training AND willingness to fight, and judging by Ukrainians surrendering by entire platoons, even that is in extremely short supply, which is reasonable and understandable: I wouldn't wanna die so that lil ze wouldn't stop his coke binge 🤡
@davidhughes4089
Жыл бұрын
Hasan's L take on the Ukrainian war keeps paying dividends 😄
@austinchasteeny
Жыл бұрын
Common Hasan L
@Kerys23a
Жыл бұрын
Great video as always
@duomechtra1234
Жыл бұрын
Can Russia take back Russia?
@hitrapperandartistdababy
7 күн бұрын
I don’t see this conflict truly concluding unless Russia loses all hope of holding Crimea. It is the crown jewel in Putins war
@Ryadic
Жыл бұрын
Calling out KZitemrs? You better be careful Mr. Box.
@anno-fw7xn
Жыл бұрын
why? hanans take is just fals you know this
@Elliot.L87563
Ай бұрын
Where counteroffensive? Like not even trying to make fun of anyone, but where counteroffensive?
@duomechtra1234
Жыл бұрын
They just need help from the Wagner Group 😂😂😂.
@lazybrick8787
Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
9:46 The Tatars of Crimea are not indigenous, or at least they are in the sense that US-Americans would be if they were occupied by some culturally distinct power like India, etc. The true indigenous peoples of Crimea are the Crimean, Azov and Pontic Greeks that live there since the 8th century BC, long before the Turkic peoples were first mentioned and conquered and settled the area.
@RFLCPTR
Жыл бұрын
Okay, but that's irrelevant to the modern world. That's the same logic that defends the existence of Israel as an jewish ethno-state
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
@@RFLCPTR Except that the Greeks didn't leave for 2000 years to come back to erect an apartheid settler colonial state, they continously lived there and survived the Gothic, Mongol, Tatar and Russian storms. Your take is equivalent of saying that the indigenouity of people like the Iroquois doesn't matter, because it was so long ago.
@martinsriber7760
Жыл бұрын
There were Cimmerians before Greeks. Where does this end? Proto-Indo-Europeans? Eastern Hunter-Gatherers?
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
@@martinsriber7760 The Cimmerians were pushed out by the Scythians in the 8th century BC and there is no current group of people that identify as such. Same for the Taurians, Crimean Goths and Scythians that lived there, while the Pontic/Azov/Crimean Greeks still exist and are the longest living ethnic groups there, surviving years of oppression by their occupyers.
@Murphio25
Жыл бұрын
Sure, Byzantine Greeks have lived there before the tatars. Yet, I'd like to point out that I don't think any remaining descendants would side with Russia either. Your point sounds like an appeal to Russia claiming status as the "rightful successor" to Byzantium or something, which of course would be absurd to any point other than being a large power that also happens to be Orthodox Christian.
@RomanGolubev_A
7 ай бұрын
History confirms appeasement is bad.
@roy53933
10 ай бұрын
This dude is a liar.
@DoggyHateFire
5 ай бұрын
There's a huge difference between "should" and "can" and I think it would be truly delusional to think that Ukraine will ever re-take Crimea in the foreseeable future barring a war on the scale that nobody wants.
@freepalestine4192
Жыл бұрын
BadEmpanada’s takes on Israel are based.
@RFLCPTR
Жыл бұрын
Always have been
@angela_merkeI
Жыл бұрын
Undeniably based. ❤
@martinsriber7760
Жыл бұрын
All of you are insane.
@BrentWalker999
Жыл бұрын
Shame he is completely unhinged live
@martinsriber7760
Жыл бұрын
@@BrentWalker999 His comments about Israel are example of him being unhinged.
@George_Wong
Жыл бұрын
The 4 conditions of Russian nuclear usage is basically: A and B specifies use as response to a first strike. C is when crucial nuclear facilities is threatened. This is interesting as Ukraine technically came close to doing this without touching Crimea, with the First Belgorod Incursion coming close to the Belgorod-22 nuclear storage facility near Grayvoron, although the storage is probably empty of nuclear weapons. D is basically last resort, when the Russian military is completely exhausted, the government is going to be toppled, the enemy is right outside Moscow, then they will take the world down. Unless Ukraine pulls a Barbarossa, this is not happening.
@FearCruser
Жыл бұрын
8:16 yeah cool story bro, what about Yugoslavia in 1998-1999, was it peaceful enough with mutual respect of the borders?
@valipunctro
Жыл бұрын
Apropo of bad empanada,I just found him signal boosted on a right-ish wing gaming channel. Horseshoe theory strikes again. 😆
@sylviamontaez3889
Жыл бұрын
hopefully crimean tartars get more of a say in the government of the peninsula and ukraine as a whole.
@imiy
Жыл бұрын
Why you think Ukraine must liberate what was teken since 2022 first? That's completely irrelevant. They can take crimea first.
@nottheborg836
Жыл бұрын
today I learned that nuclear war is bad
@gabfelippi
Жыл бұрын
my 2 cents on this debate: you said that crimea is hard to invade because thats a fortress - and you are perfectly right BUT you dont need to invade a fortress - you can just siege it and for being a fortress thats precisely why the better thing to do is to siege it also the nuke possibility is real only in the sense that if russia gets nothing then nobody gets anything - therefore nuke it all the way down so ukraine will get only wasteland
@gp-1542
Жыл бұрын
to me just because Russia's army is in shambles, doesn't mean its goanna be easy there may be a chance but *its not going to be easy*
@orkinho1
7 ай бұрын
I come from the future. There was never a chance.
@jessiejb4684
9 ай бұрын
The vast majority of people in Crimea don’t want to be part of Ukraine. Same with those in Donbas. To retake these regions would cause far more human suffering than to not. Besides the fact that it’s an impossibility, it’s also morally wrong for this reason. When Russia annexed Crimea without a fight, 70% of the Ukrainian navy defected to Russia and now fight against Ukraine.
@Randomstuffs261
9 ай бұрын
That's the case with every country in Europe though. There are French areas of Belgium, British areas in Ireland, Greek areas in Italy and Turkey. It doesn't give anyone the right to invade and cleanse populations which causes suffering in the first place. Ukraine causing suffering by retaking their own land is not unjustifiable as a result.
@Mish844
6 ай бұрын
Did you consider rhat russian invading forces are not the best source of testimony of what ukruinians in crimea want? Or you know but lue like a vatnik?
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