Thanks for watching! This is the last of 5 videos on current innovations experts and researchers are exploring to help save our planet. We covered topics like pulling carbon out of the air, clean energy’s storage problem, and getting concrete production to net-zero. You can watch all the videos, and more of our coverage on climate change, in our playlist: kzitem.info/door/PLJ8cMiYb3G5dR1opfCsg8JmZSToyAWR5h
@cyberpaw
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, what could go wrong
@assemblywizard8
Жыл бұрын
anything but to stop growing and question capitalism. Appalling
@blaircox1589
Жыл бұрын
Imagine, only treating the symptoms, not the CAUSE. Such a Pharma type response. 😒
@aaronjennings8385
Жыл бұрын
I wish that I could stop receiving this delusional material in my feed.
@BMGeo100
Жыл бұрын
Nice video Vox great to cover the topic - In the video you said that to do geoengineering we would need "unprecedented global cooperation" - What worries me though is what happens if China, Iran, North Korea or whoever just decided on lowering global temperatures by 3 degrees lets say - then what happens? How do we react to that? especially if global emissions targets are not reached?
@nicholeayt509
Жыл бұрын
It's so refreshing to see people debate from a space of agreed facts, and respect for their opponents knowledge and view. We need more of this in the world!
@kingace6186
Жыл бұрын
I think proper education and scientific decorum are a big part of that.
@PlanetZeroVideos
Жыл бұрын
There’s so many good ideas about geoengineering beyond just solar radiation management too. Ocean alkalinity enhancement could undo climate change and ocean acidification at the same time. I feel like we will need a few good geoengineering ideas in tandem with decarbonization for a realistic way out of this.
@zwicker5585
Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetZeroVideos are they not planting coral too? Theres so many ideas out there. Just a matter of funding them now
@tomaccino
Жыл бұрын
I don't see why are they so concerned about the future of the human race. We're the worst species that inhabited this planet with all the crimes against humanity. We don't deserve to survive any apocalyptic event.
@WoolandFlax
Жыл бұрын
Geoengeneering since the 50's has literally caused climate change. Messing with natural weather patterns will mess things up, who woulda thunk. But yeah, let's just do MORE of it .
@davidvaldez3833
Жыл бұрын
a big problem is that this could easily be used as an excuse even if it works not to address the socetial issues that lead to this crsis to begin with
@kylesorlietitlow3767
Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
@ingislakur
Жыл бұрын
so you are against it for that reason!
@wavedash-
Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is the same reason some environmental activists oppose carbon sequestration. Stopping and reversing climate change is not the primary goal; it is environmentalism for the sake of social progress. This is also why many people who think climate change is a serious issue also campaign to shut down nuclear reactors in working condition (to be replaced by natural gas or even coal). Or why people who think housing is unaffordable for low-income individuals will oppose new market-rate housing.
@snarblox
Жыл бұрын
Counter argument: we don't wanna be scrambling to have access to this tech when something like a massive volcanic eruption or disaster starts heating up the Earth rapidly
@ENovaM
Жыл бұрын
Thats the whole point, not some accidental thing. Thats capitalism and its the root problem that leads to all these societal issues.
@LeeshMa
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t doing all that massively impact the world’s agricultural production? What if our crops don’t accumulate and then worst case scenario there is way less food for our ever growing population?
@Queening
Жыл бұрын
There are always alternatives to direct sun exposure like sun lamps/lights
@LutraLovegood
Жыл бұрын
We could just stop eating meat. Bonus point we would be able to reforest a lot of land while also decimating our pollution.
@NadeemAhmed-nv2br
Жыл бұрын
The upside is the food's nutritional value would increase because they found reducing the carbon dioxide in an environment and then closing the food leads to smaller food but it is a lot more nutritionally dense
@LeeshMa
Жыл бұрын
@@LutraLovegood I was thinking more wheat production for flour that we consume. But yes corn and stuff for animal feed is probably taking up a lot more space than fields for human consumption
@LeeshMa
Жыл бұрын
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br thank you very much ! I did not know this. I was looking for a genuine answer thank you for giving me that :)
@PetiHuber
Жыл бұрын
Solar geoengineering is the same as carbon capture. It tries to give a technological solution to climate change so we can continue our current economic activities uninterrupted. I'm happy you interviewed professionals who are skeptical and critical about these technologies and researches.
@I-Maser
Жыл бұрын
Well, as said in this video, after we are done with decarbonising, the warming will continue. So sooner or later we will need to figure out how to reduce the Amount of Carbon in the Athmosphere to get back to pre industrial levels. I think researching Technologies like Carboncapture hence is justified. Especially since there are some Emissions considered unavoidable, which we will need to offset.
@PetiHuber
Жыл бұрын
@@I-Maser yes indeed. Research on it's own as said in the video is definitely needed.
@angrinord
Жыл бұрын
That isn't true. If we stop all emissions tomorrow we are still in for increasing temperatures. It is a problem that will not be solved by even the complete elimination of carbon emissions. It requires another solution.
@misty6348
Жыл бұрын
It is a more temporary solution than carbon capture but it also is a lot less resource intensive. It is an undoubtable fact that some countries or rogue scientists (if the tech gets banned) will use this technology in the future, there is little argument to halt research. It is going to happen sooner or later we should understand it to the best of our ability before that happens on a large scale. How can we mitigate issues that arise from it if these issues are unforseen until being used in the real world? We can't.
@Ninjaeule97
Жыл бұрын
I think this is even riskier than Carbon Capture. Carbon that is capture won't be released assuming it isn't used for reckless things like Enhanced oil recovery or carbonating beverages. So you're still able to get temperatures back to pre industrial levels without them immediately shooting back up again once you stop. What's even worse is burning fossil fuels also releases aerosols, so in essence we are already doing solar geoengineering unintentionally.
@renekytt
Жыл бұрын
In an ideal world Solar geoengineering could be the quick fix to lowering the average global temperature and reversing the climate crisis but this would require us to keep on the path of decarbonisation. However knowing the laziness of man we would probably stop decarbonisation efforts after solar geoengineering temporarily brings down the global average temperature...
@lbr88x30
Жыл бұрын
Greed and short term gain by the few is the driver. Not laziness, it doesn't matter if we make the planet uninhabitable tomorrow as long as the rich get richer today. Why do you think they are investing in space travel? They are going to get what they can then leave.
@deanfowles3707
Жыл бұрын
It does depend. gen z is clearly the most environment conscious generation ever. Boomers quite possibly the least, even now after they've been told a thousand times. Anyway. The evidence is that people once they hear about that solar geoengineering is being considered by governments all over the world then they become MORE environment conscious not less and think we need to do more to cut co2 and all the rest of it not less. No sensible person thinks solar geoengineering is a silver bullet.
@FrozenAfricaPrincess
Жыл бұрын
Yes it could buy us time to reduce carbon and capture it if possible…
@deanfowles3707
Жыл бұрын
@@lbr88x30 the space travel thing won't work out for them believe me. We can't even get humans to Mars let alone colonize space.
@user-xs1is9yd5o
Жыл бұрын
@@lbr88x30 Leave to where? None of them will survive the 40000 year journey to the nearest star system, and I sure hope they don't plan on settling somewhere else in the solar system (temperature, radiation, toxic soils, etc).
@ricksandstorm
Жыл бұрын
5:03 The Sami Council is not Sweden. It is a voluntary, non-governmental organization of the Sámi people within Sweden. It is not affiliated with the Swedish government directly and has no political power as far as I know.
@EvocativeKitsune
Жыл бұрын
She mentioned "indigenous groups" as well as governments and researchers.
@Surroundedbyevil368
7 ай бұрын
Geoengineering has been going on for years. Conveniently the cell phone makes people look down.
@musicmad4944
Жыл бұрын
What a well documented discussion. Thank you Vox!
@PCr4zy
Жыл бұрын
I read 'delusion'. Now I'm sad its not actually there.
@incognitotorpedo42
Жыл бұрын
What a horribly "documented" discussion. It's full of cherry-picked interviews to get the result Vox is looking for.
@roger5857
Жыл бұрын
@@PCr4zy what is not there
@PCr4zy
Жыл бұрын
@@roger5857 'delusion'. I read '... well documented delusion.'; which it is.
@konic40
Жыл бұрын
they didnt go into the environmental problems it could cause they just said it might
@orhanmekic9292
Жыл бұрын
Once large scale disasters start kicking in, this discussion will be over, everyone will be asking how soon can we do this, instead of should we do it..
@Feverything2030
Жыл бұрын
Yes try and cool the earth while not fixing any of the problem's that got us here. It will be polluted and cold, great.
@lifevest1
Жыл бұрын
Sooo the world becomes a giant Russia? 🤣
@notinterested7911
Жыл бұрын
Who said anything about stoping efforts to reduce co2 emissions, just waiting and letting things get worse is obviously not a solution
@dionjohn1744
Жыл бұрын
@@notinterested7911 like the vid said, fossil fuel companies will just use that as an excuse. If we dont do anything, theres more chance of us getting to net 0
@trader2137
Жыл бұрын
@elfrjz yes, we need to reduce earths population by eliminating the weak, sick, old.
@Arceus086
Жыл бұрын
@elfrjzit is really not, even if we were to reduce our impact on the climate to the maximum possible amount by stopping all the emissions today we would still have an enormous amount of heating that would take hundreds if not thousands of years to slowly lessen and then reverse. That amount of heating and staying at that higher temperature will cause irreversible damage to our ecosystems like making many species go extinct and even changing how the ocean distributes heat all over the globe. Geoengenieeng is one of the few ways that we could mitigate a lot of the worst case scenarios and will likely be one of the options that nations will almost certainly try to implement in the future. It's better to have the research of how it would affect the climate and our natural systems before we make a decision since we already know that we can do it and how we would do so. In the end a combination of geoengineering and carbon capture could help the climate return to normal and have it be stable at that level. To avoid companies from using it as a way to avoid decarbonization we could still have the carbon taxes and emissions limits that we are implementing today to pay for these massive projects. It isn't a perfect solution in any sense of the word but we don't have many other alternatives and every option should be explored in detail to make sure we know what we are doing before we do it.
@timh.7169
Жыл бұрын
It is already happening but we arent allowed to talk about it
@networkpiyush7
Ай бұрын
Really?
@inscrutablemungus4143
Жыл бұрын
This is just kicking the can down the road. We should consider it as a last resort, but plan A, B and C should primarily focus on reducing overall consumption and particularly our reliance on fossil fuels.
@xponen
Жыл бұрын
we should accept the responsibility that human now manage the planet at global scale. We should adopt geoengineering and create an organisation at the scale of WHO & UN that manage the planet's temperature. We should never go back to the days we don't have to worry about the planet's energy budget.
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
We're already pretty close to last resort territory.
@dancrane3807
Жыл бұрын
I think we need to admit that people are not going to stop using fossil fuels anytime soon and we do need to mitigate that fact. Yes, try to reduce fossil fuels.
@kiwaminski
Жыл бұрын
As is stated in the video, even if we were to stop carbon emissions tomorrow, the lasting impact of the last two centuries' worth of pollutants in the atmosphere is going to be felt for centuries to come and continue to warm the planet. There isn't an easy answer here, but yeah cutting down on use of fossil fuels is the logical first step.
@jacobjohnson8069
Жыл бұрын
This is just taking the easy way out.
@seikibrian8641
Жыл бұрын
"...shot past the atmosphere and into the stratosphere." The stratosphere is one layer of the atmosphere. The ash passed through the TROPOsphere and into the stratosphere.
@paulsmith9786
Жыл бұрын
We are already doing this with chemtrails. Have been for decades.
@arthurdurham
Жыл бұрын
This is the real life version of the Futurama episode
@romelo1201
Жыл бұрын
Clicked on this vid just to find this comment lol
@Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate
3 ай бұрын
the idea is a lot older than futurama
@napoleonibonaparte7198
Жыл бұрын
We're going to miss the goals set for 2030. Countries and leaders, especially of developed states, just aren't up to the task.
@X2LR8
Жыл бұрын
Natural climate cycle science at work. The natural rise and falls of temps.
@trader2137
Жыл бұрын
thats good news - countries prefer spending money on useful investments and not some imaginary "problems" created by green globalists that will affect people in 500 years
@gavinlamar1230
Жыл бұрын
@@X2LR8 it is influenced by the natural elements and man
@jacobstratton1140
Жыл бұрын
@@X2LR8 it’s definitely beyond the natural cycle
@islowclick
Жыл бұрын
When i heard 2030 i knew they were lying
@simplyepic3258
Жыл бұрын
The show "Extrapolations" on Apple TV+ touches on this. It definitely worries me that some day we may see someone who's misinformed use this incorrectly, and it'll have devastating effects.
@All_BlaqQ
Жыл бұрын
Geo engineering sounds a lot like “Chem Trails” lol
@GrIM99913
Жыл бұрын
This sounds like a movie plot device for a new ice age.
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
It is, its called snow piercer
@Ali-bu6lo
Жыл бұрын
The sun shades and mirrors in space one is the best option among them. Unlike releasing particles in the air, it doesn't add anything to the atmosphere and if the calculations are correct and deployment is with care, the reduced light (or maybe just the IR waves) and the increased CO2 will counter each other. Also it's sustainable as mirrors in space won't need even nearly as much continued renewal as the aerosol option.
@saturationstation1446
Жыл бұрын
have you seen the space around our planet? you would need almost all the resources on earth just to clear it out for that to be an option. and it would cause disastrous problems if deployed. people want to try everything except eliminating what caused the issue in the first place - tiny groups of people controlling all the worlds resources and inflating their egos to the point that they see themselves as gods...
@nadaramadhan3377
Жыл бұрын
I don't know but kepler effect probably could be a risk here and I don't think we have technology to effectively clean-up the space junk to reduce such risk.
@knownas2017
Жыл бұрын
@Zaydan Alfariz Even a very thin sheet of Aluminum works.
@makesunsets
Жыл бұрын
Definitely, but it's too expensive right now. Hence these cheaper and more scalable solutions.
@Ali-bu6lo
Жыл бұрын
@@nadaramadhan3377 I think you're talking about the Kessler syndrome. For starters it's better to put these shades and mirrors in higher orbits since if we put them in low Earth orbit we would need A LOT of them and their orbits would decay very rapidly, also the higher you go the less the space junk. The best option is to put them in the Earth-Sun L1 point. There is almost no space junk there and the mirrors can stay in that region between Earth and the Sun. Also the mirrors won't need much material. They can be very thin. Some may say we can't do it now but I disagree, all the tech is available, it's just a big task like building the Pyramids was for our ancestors.
@commodorezelda
Жыл бұрын
We've put off reducing our emissions for so long that I don't see how we'll get out of this crisis without adding something drastic like solar geo engineering. I think we need to keep looking into this as a way to help reverse the damage we've done while we reset our energy and consumption.
@maybehuman4
Жыл бұрын
There is no climate 'crisis'. Doomsayers and fearmongers have been peddling this for decades now and it always turns out to be bunk. Climate is an ever changing thing. The planet is still coming out of the last ice age. The sun's solar weather affects climate more than anything we do. A single volcanic eruption can expel more carbon into the atmosphere than all of human history.
@melissapyle7879
8 ай бұрын
What a lot of ppl say.. but if we don't fix the "actual problem " it's just a patch...
@paulobreva
Жыл бұрын
Apple TV+ series "Extrapolations" explores this to an extent.
@BryanChiang
Жыл бұрын
isn't this how the Matrix started?
@BravoCheesecake
Жыл бұрын
Has nobody seen "The Second Renaissance"? The solution is to not spew carbon into the atmosphere and to heavily expand and subsidize clean energy solutions like thorium reactors and solar. The last thing we want is to effect plant growth on this planet which would be far more impactful than warming.
@Tustin2121
Жыл бұрын
This. These people seem to be forgetting that food is going to be affected by less sun. And we’re already at a crisis point when it comes to food supplies and production.
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
Cutting down half the amazon/US+UK forests within a 30 year period is playing a large roll
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
We aren't growing plants around the poles where ice used to reflect sun back to space. I would be very surprised if they're suggesting adding chemicals over population centres or farmland ...
@BravoCheesecake
Жыл бұрын
@@SueMyChin Any chemicals we add to the atmosphere will spread across the globe with the wind. I wouldn't mess with the atmosphere.
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
@@BravoCheesecake It's not as simple as that. If we introduce them at the pole, that is where the majority of light will be reflected. Any particulate that spreads will be so diluted that you would be looking at
@mr.normalguy69
Жыл бұрын
Bro is thinking about initiating operation dark storm 💀
@kentslocum
Жыл бұрын
The countries most affected by climate change currently are the ones least able to fight it. But once countries who can afford to research and deploy solar geoengineering start feeling the serious effects of global warming, the temptation might be too much to resist. This debate reminds me a bit of the current debate over Artificial Intelligence. Some want to ban further development of AI, and others want to continue to develop it. But the fact is, development is going to happen no matter what. So the best we can do is figure out how to monitor and regulate it.
@heww3960
Жыл бұрын
Afford? It is not expensive.
@novaIia
11 ай бұрын
@@heww3960It's not only a monetary cost. Some countries simply do not have the material or knowledge ressources to develop such huge projects. You could compare a city around a castle in the Middle Ages, and another one during the industrial revolution. Both could be considered wealthy enough for their own population, but you will not ask the first one to make and operate a train, because there is this technological gap between them.
@heww3960
11 ай бұрын
@@novaIia As I said, it is cheap very cheap, for any country, even the poorest. Plus this do not really even have to be a additional cost, since you can have it on the regular transport ship etc.
@novaIia
11 ай бұрын
@@heww3960 What is cheap exactly? I wonder what you are referring to here
@heww3960
11 ай бұрын
@@novaIia SAI, marine clouding.
@RomanNardone
Жыл бұрын
Weather and atmospheric conditions arise from chaos theory to develop. It seems the height of hubris to say we understand that system well enough that we can deploy particulates without having unintended consequences.
@guimagamerrj
Жыл бұрын
@Zaydan Alfariz I built a Panic Room to get away from this horrible movie.
@diogoandre756
Жыл бұрын
Sorry what
@deanfowles3707
Жыл бұрын
Well it's the height of hubris to think we can put what amounts to so far 30 cubic miles worth of co2 into the atmosphere without there being side effects. The future is dangerous that's already been decided for us. What we do now is decide which is the lesser danger. Personally I think some solar geoengineering as well as all the other stuff we have to do is a good idea going by everything we know so far about it. Listen to some talks by David Keith, Pete Irvine, stewart Patrick, Jesse Reynolds and wake smith. They lay it out how this could work.
@notinterested7911
Жыл бұрын
Nobody is saying go full out right away, but if you don’t make small scale peojects to test the idea then you’re obviously never going to know if it would work as intended
@RomanNardone
Жыл бұрын
@@notinterested7911 but the video said that it would take full cooperation of all of the worlds governments to be effective. It seems like you would need to implement a highly aggressive strategy to have any effect on global temperature
@lightworker303
11 ай бұрын
Should we? THE REAL QUESTION is, should we have started? It has been happening for a LONG time now.
@lbr88x30
Жыл бұрын
Lets go for the expensive, risky, dramatic solution. Let's not legislate for fuel efficient vehicles, mass transport, battery technology and other required energy solutions. At best something like this is a partial solution. Reality is that very little has been done to reduce emissions and the US has been a huge driver in this. As long as the rich get richer today who cares? Why do you think they are investing in space travel technology? They clearly don't plan to reap what they have sown. They plan to take what they can get and leave.
@jonathanodude6660
Жыл бұрын
batteries will not get us to a carbon negative future. neither will "fuel efficient vehicles." we need to either fundamentally alter how we interact with energy and transportation or face the consequences. at best, this buys us time. many cities, especially in the US, need to be demolished. sodium batteries might be able to be mass manufactured for grid storage, but we need much more space efficient solutions than that. nuclear power is a must. international supergrids are a must. continental scale transit solutions are a must. we cannot keep living how we are now.
@Dan2yefa
Жыл бұрын
Where they gonna go?? Mars😂😂. The soil has peroxides. Not a living thing would survive there.
@jghifiversveiws8729
Жыл бұрын
^Perchlorates
@bananian
Жыл бұрын
No one said this would or should replace other warming reduction methods.
@HerodotusVon
Жыл бұрын
Just so you remember - the issue here is that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has led to more of the suns light staying within the earth as opposed to being reflected out. Because of all of this CO2, each moment in 2023, a much larger percentage of the suns energy stays on earth as opposed to 200 years ago. In order to reverse the net increase in global temperature, the percentage of the sun’s energy that stays on earth must be reduced, and at least for some period of time, must be net negative. Even with thorough carbon capture, we will still need to reduce the amount of energy that reaches the earth in order to achieve our prior climate. So some kind of technology is needed, whether it be a solar shield or aerosols or whatever. It will be the final part in reversing climate change if we choose that route
@egett
Жыл бұрын
humanity actually did emit aerosols and it cooled the planet when coal with sulfur was burned for decades. having an alternative that somehow creates energy and a layer of cloud when burned but does not cause acid rain would be a solution for the termination shock problem too.
@jovsdimacali6193
Жыл бұрын
Wow I never thought Pinatubo would be an introduction to this
@Harsooo
Жыл бұрын
Loving these short, informative videos; however - is there a specific reason a lot of the animations/graphics are at a very low framerate compared to the rest of the video? This can sometimes create a bit of an eye strain. It would be amazing if this could be improved!
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to vox
@Christian-re4dl
10 ай бұрын
Messing with the Earth? Surely that's totally safe.
@somerandomguy7458
3 ай бұрын
We are already messing with the earth.
@adamcaillouette7375
3 ай бұрын
Well, we may not have a choice in the matter. I'm up for geoengineering.
@adamcaillouette7375
3 ай бұрын
@@somerandomguy7458 Well, we may not have a choice in the matter. I'm up for geoengineering.
@TheAnalyticalObservers
Жыл бұрын
That's not true, they are currently spraying, and have been since at least 2015, we have been looking up, and tracking the patterns in the sky, for the last 3 years.
@TCJones
Жыл бұрын
Why not just paint every roof white, that would do that same thing...
@Azure-Witcher
Жыл бұрын
That could work.
@TCJones
Жыл бұрын
@@Azure-Witcher in spain they have paint homes for years white to cool them down in the sub. Ok they have red roofs, but we could come up with hydrostatic keep clean white paint that would do the job even in llqces like the uk, goves just have to want to and stop taking 2nd jobs...
@zodayn4767
Жыл бұрын
That is why traditional Greek architecture is white. It keeps you house cool. But since roofs are practically ground level from an atmospheric perspective at that point most heat has already penetrated the air and will be send back in the same low layers of air having negligible impact.
@zodayn4767
Жыл бұрын
@elfrjz most roofs are also white, pretty sure that's just stylistic at first. But during the military dictatorship the white and blue coloring actually was mandatory to promote nationalism. The white limestone wash also functioned as disinfectant to stop the spread of Cholera which was an issue at the time and another reason to mandate it. So protection against the heat wasn't the only reason but one of multiple
@deanfowles3707
Жыл бұрын
@@Azure-Witcher it's been already looked into. Painting every roof white can help for localised cooling particularly in cities. But it just isn't enough for the whole world
@pookage
Жыл бұрын
Guys, the IPCC literally drew-up a roadmap we can follow to get through this mess - stuff like Solar Frickin Shades can only honestly be looked-at as a shiny distraction to pursue business-as-normal for as long as possible 🙄
@Zveebo
Жыл бұрын
Why? If global warming is now inevitably taking us above target, it seems perfectly sensible to use solar engineering to bring us back below while the transition to lower emissions is completed. No point being ideological about it.
@motorvoyage_
Жыл бұрын
If we reduce or reflect the sunlight from the earth, would we not be risking our food growth, and the impacts of lesser sunlight on our health
@wallacerigby4393
Жыл бұрын
The story of every Post Apocalypse movie. “ We just wanted to reflect the sun……”
@oliviaw.2842
Жыл бұрын
"We blinded some aliens and now they're mad lol"
@MikeCalhoun
Жыл бұрын
Worked out well in the Matrix!
@zakyzigzag
Жыл бұрын
as a last resort, maybe? otherwise, we'd just ignore the current, main cause of the heating up in the first place
@Situayo
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. But how do we determine the right moment to deploy last resort tech? Arent we there already?
@whatsuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Жыл бұрын
We're already near the moment of last resort. We need to reserch it now so we can deploy before shtf
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
Who would ignore the main cause? The people benefiting from co2 release are already being made to reduce by mass opinion not because they want to. That opinion is not going to change.
@Anthony-nc8cq
Жыл бұрын
The thing about these kinds of solutions is that they can very likely become a crisis creator themselves. We ought not to use such solutions as preventative measures when so many other rational and less dire options exist.
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
Please explain a scenario whereby this happens. Just don't see it...
@aditisk99
Жыл бұрын
What are the other options??
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
They’ve caused all these issues with geo engineering they’ve been doing it for decades
@brandonpaul3985
Жыл бұрын
@@LuckyW23 As someone that works outside all day, It seemed very obvious this was heavily happening in upstate NY between 2010-2017. Moving back after 3 years elsewhere, its no where near as obvious, leading me to wonder if the negatives were already known.
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
@@brandonpaul3985 I find it disgusting that this is now being pitched as a solution when it’s already long underway and is cause of visible climate change. Not to mention the negative environmental effects. The solution is to stop geo engineering
@jessewilliams522
Жыл бұрын
I vote for calling it "Operation Dark Storm"
@MissTruthNew
8 ай бұрын
Global dimming has instead been attributed to an increase in atmospheric particulate matter, predominantly sulfate aerosols, as the result of rapidly growing air pollution due to post-war industrialization.
@bobleclair5665
Жыл бұрын
What chemicals or nano particles will they be spraying because that’s what we’ll be breathing . Plants and trees will take these chemicals up into their system. I think co2 would be a less of a problem. Greenhouses usually crank up their co2 to 800 to 1200 ppm. Plant more trees, lighten up the colors of roads and rooftops
@FrozenAfricaPrincess
Жыл бұрын
I wish these docs were longer or bundled up together, such great work Vox!
@conservativedragon
Жыл бұрын
This sounds like a terrible idea
@MustacheCashStash125
Жыл бұрын
@@conservativedragon Why?
@Eternal23Studios
Жыл бұрын
@@conservativedragon Why?
@filledwithvariousknowledge2747
9 ай бұрын
@@MustacheCashStash125Their handle says it all
@secularmonk5176
Жыл бұрын
I've encountered many articles about solar energy mitigation, but they never include a discussion of how severely this might affect crop yields or photovoltaic electricity production. On the cost/benefit list, are they that minor a concern?
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
To psychopaths yes
@joycefontaine9527
4 ай бұрын
Always speculated on the end Dane, I think it is coming sooner than later...they chip away at us in pieces...here and there, when will the masses scream "NO MORE" will it be to little to late...I have followed you fron the beginning, your words never failed to move me...your truth has never faltered...your stance has never wavered I can only offer to you is my profound loyalty, and will stand beside you as an un- removable rock, most sincerely, yours Joyce...🙏
@kevinarzola4781
Жыл бұрын
We do everything but the simple solution of renewable energy that is clean
@CJAlonzo413
Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of that episode in Jimmy Neutron when they shot up sunscreen into the sky and it went from hot summer to a snowy winter real quick 😂
@andrewgarfield5084
Жыл бұрын
What if we combine all the methods like reflecting the sun rays , decarbonization , going green. We could stimulate a large number of minor volcanic eruptions (idk if thats possible) and cause a drop in the temperature as much as we can.
@ldandco
Жыл бұрын
Just bringing up the discussion is the most worrying part of it. If we do this, is the dumbest most idiotic decision ever.
@milochamp1586
11 ай бұрын
They already do this in Melbourne Australia according to some people it since the covid lock downs. People see hundreds of large drone planes fly in to the clouds and come down for re-filling of the chemicals.weekly. If you check the Melbourne weather history for the last 3 years almost everyday Saturday, it's either dark, cloudy or rainy and extra cold. So they can plan hich days to rain and which days to be sunny. In this case working days are Sunny and party days are dark. So in Melbourne, the party days are long over.
@juliashulgin4232
4 ай бұрын
I noticed the same pattern in NYC over the past few years, roughly from july 2021. Nobody believes me and they say it's mother nature.
@Bxu021
Жыл бұрын
It’s good that we’re not charging into this recklessly and it’s good that we’re starting to do research so that in the future if we ever really need it, we can deploy it safely.
@janeblogs324
Жыл бұрын
Errr we've been spraying heavily already since the 2000s
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
@@janeblogs324 exactly that’s the cause of all this “climate change” now they’re pitching it as a solution. We’re truly run by psychos
@allandrennan4916
7 ай бұрын
1980s.
@oplkfdhgk
Жыл бұрын
i mean if were are talking about painting roofs white then yeah probably but anything other than that? not sure.
@lbr88x30
Жыл бұрын
I wish we would get behind this.
@somerandomguy7458
3 ай бұрын
wouldnt do much. We have ice sheets that have much more surface area than combined urban surface area and they only reflect like 2% of sunlight
@zibbitybibbitybop
Жыл бұрын
Do you want Snowpiercer? Because this is how you get Snowpiercer. In all seriousness, though, there are vastly better ways of dealing with the matter than chucking more stuff into the atmosphere to counteract the stuff we already put there in excess. Maybe try getting people to stop being paranoid about nuclear power so we can use that instead of coal, that'd be a good start.
@karankhanna
Жыл бұрын
It's like watching an episode of Extrapolations!
@JasonB808
Жыл бұрын
If we do it could mean that bright sunny days will be of the past. Less sunlight would also drastically effect agriculture which is already having problems due to climate change. In the end isn’t just better to reduce carbon emissions.
@heww3960
Жыл бұрын
Reducing carbon emission is to late for, it only cause more harm than good. The carbon stays up forever basically and it has a delay effect on 10-40 yrs, so even if we get net zero today, it would still continue getting worse, and then you have feedbacks lops that could take over. It is simple to late for reducing our emission. That is not the solution, that would just make it worse.
@johnchessant3012
Жыл бұрын
This is a good debate. I think we shouldn't restrict research; more knowledge would be helpful, if only to know what not to do, especially since this is an issue there's currently very little certainty about. The insights gained from studying the feasibility concerns and risks to the natural environment might be useful beyond just this one idea. I think the arguments for restrictions on actually making this technology are more convincing.
@onemorechris
Жыл бұрын
eventually, you’ll have to try it on some level in some way.
@Pier77Tampa
Жыл бұрын
We can’t leave anything alone can we…..not even the weather
@Lantalia
Жыл бұрын
The objection of needing it for centuries is off base, we only need it until we get direct extraction of CO2/methane from the atmosphere
@Xamimus
Жыл бұрын
This is a great video, it explores everything and presents sides you may never have though of. The end sentence is really good!
@spartanredteam
2 ай бұрын
I found that it only presented points against the propositions. Almost none for. The video clearly has a stance.
@Brownyman
Жыл бұрын
It’s absolutely adorable to me that scientists assume human beings care about future generations LOL 😂
@drkclshr
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been seeing so many Onion videos I thought this was one
@makeshnaidu7035
Жыл бұрын
We will do everything other than sustainable living.
@joshua_lee732
Жыл бұрын
The issue here is we have to commit to this, while also still pushing to reduce emissions. As such this is really a full on last possible option that should be utilized. Because once we deploy this technology, we'll have to maintain it not for a few months, but likely years, decades, or even generations. Plus, I haven't seen any audited studies that even discuss the effects on plant life for an extended stretch of time.
@heww3960
Жыл бұрын
This is not some big project, so maintain it would be easy, only if the whole society collapse for some other reason, then it would be hard to maintainn. Studie? Well we have done this unintentionally since the beginning of the industrial revolution, and no big issues.
@gregorseidel8203
Жыл бұрын
Another important reason not to pursue solar geoengineering is that while it can potentially mitigate the risks of heating it cannot prevent ocean acidification and the potential breakdown of marine food chains. Also, as mentioned in the video, solar geoengineering is a powerful disincentive to decarbonization. David Keith at 2:20 saying "we must cut emissions in the long run" sounds dangerous to me, since most climate scientists would agree that emissions must be cut in the short term, urgently.
@bananian
Жыл бұрын
Are you a vegan then? Do you take mass transit to work? Everyone talks, nobody does.
@gregorseidel8203
Жыл бұрын
@@bananian Unfortunately no public transport where I need to go regularly, but I am in the fortunate situation that I can walk to work most of the time, which I do. I use an EV if a car is absolutely necessary, again mostly because I was lucky enough to be able to afford one and I know that production does cause significant emissions, which is why public transport would be a preferable option if possible. Vegetarian, not vegan. In any event, while personal action is important, concerted political action is absolutely required to solve this crisis, and pretending that we have a solution like solar geoengineering while ignoring its massive flaws and, worse, using it as an excuse to go on as before is not a feasible option any more -- assuming we want to mitigate massive damage due to global warming.
@theangrygrunt1481
7 ай бұрын
olivine can help with ocean acidification though, while also removing co2
@mikhail5428
Жыл бұрын
*I think it's necessary to think in other ways to help solve the problem we put ourselves in, but I don't think we should expedite technologies when we know already, they're gonna get us complacent*
@f_pie
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I think we really need into this, it is already to late to avoid catastrophic changes to the planet just by cutting emissions
@breezyashell
Жыл бұрын
As seen in your video on India geoengineering, there are often unintended, often difficult to reverse consequences.
@misty6348
Жыл бұрын
If things are difficult to reverse, then shouldn't we be deploying this technology at a small scale, better understand potential consequences before someone uses it on a massive scale? There is no if we use this technology but when, how much we understand it and to what degree we use it.
@selbstlader
Жыл бұрын
@@misty6348 it's partly because with almost anything, you can fix all the problems that you do know. But it is only when it is implemented on a large scale that problems, which you may have never predicted, appear. I don't think messing with the fundamental nature of our ecosystem is even remotely sensible. We can't predict everything and we certainly can't fix everything. That is ever more relevant to a project such as this, there are simply too many variables and factors for it to ever be safe in my opinion.
@jadenlawrence3253
Жыл бұрын
Literally making Snowpiercer into reality
@NickyMitchell85
10 ай бұрын
Let’s all hope so.
@lopiklop
Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile people still being ridiculed for proposing such a thing is happening.
@GryphianStudio
Жыл бұрын
Imagine it being weaponised by government to wreck havoc on other countries.
@officialdratsie
Жыл бұрын
Someone pointed out a while back that, and I quote, "lol we will fight the sun before we take on capitalism".
@hughgray158
Жыл бұрын
Something to note is we have done it before. We pumped cfc’s into the atmosphere as a by product for many products. This is the leading theory as to why global temperatures dropped from 1940-1970 despite rising greenhouse gas emissions. However this is what also caused the Ozone hole to form. We’ve since mostly stopped cfc emissions but it is a real world example of its use but also the major negative consequences that we don’t fully understand.
@SueMyChin
Жыл бұрын
Well we kinda do know what problems it causes, we've been studying volcanic activity and it's effects on the environment for decades.
@koootoshidayo
Жыл бұрын
"Should we reflect sunlight to cool the planet?" Nah. The last time someone use this idea before, we stuck inside a dystopian train for many years
@bad199060
Жыл бұрын
Roof top of billions of homes with mirror finish would also help big time
@elizabethdavis1696
Жыл бұрын
Let’s fight the sun instead instead of transitioning from fossil fuels to renewable energy (sarcasm)
@deanfowles3707
Жыл бұрын
The point is we will probably need to do both. Look up talks by David Keith, Pete Irvine, stewart Patrick, Jesse Reynolds and wake smith.. To get a full understanding
@elizabethdavis1696
Жыл бұрын
Okay but this is going to be used as an excuse to keep polluting
@Tustin2121
Жыл бұрын
@@elizabethdavis1696- exactly this. Those billionaires gotta keep their billions. “This seems to be working, back to making all the money!”
@smh9902
Жыл бұрын
Back in my day we called this stuff "chemtrails:"
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
exactly that’s the cause of all this “climate change” now they’re pitching it as a solution. We’re truly run by psychos
@tHebUm18
Жыл бұрын
Seems like a bad idea given humanity's track record with actions to override nature. Especially today with EVs growing exponentially and wind/solar + batteries now being the cheapest LCOE of any energy source, it is now not just the right thing to do to head towards carbon neutrality, but the economically logical one in many areas. I think the next few years will be the peak of global CO2 emissions before they start dropping considerably over the next 1-2 decades.
@ddave1048
Жыл бұрын
This is literary the plotline of Snowpiercer
@jmckendry84
Жыл бұрын
"literary"
@samanthasharland7911
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information
@ProlMLGJoe
Жыл бұрын
That would take an enormous amount of resources and worldwide cooperation, the only benefit is that we get extra time to transition.
@christinearmington
Жыл бұрын
I’m waiting to hear about MEER.
@dantetre
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the start of the Snowpiercer! And things got out of hand with the cooling!
@LuckyW23
Жыл бұрын
exactly that’s the cause of all this “climate change” now they’re pitching it as a solution. We’re truly run by psychos
@Thrna_1
Жыл бұрын
I've thought of this before, just holding out with naïve* hope that A.I or engineered clouding of atmosphere or an analogous procedure to actually REVERSE warming. It'd be such a powerful humanity lesson that we'd overcome our vices, collective social pressures keeping us in morbid stagnation towards the abyss, and instead control the overall climate intentionally for the first time for the BETTER!
@MoonLiteNite
Жыл бұрын
Generally humans move up with tech and not behind. Heck it was just about 100 years ago when they said the world would be starved to death. Gut we got GMO corn, rice, etc.... we have dozens and dozens of examples of people pushing us forward and not holding us back!
@meetarthur9427
9 ай бұрын
Well the Idea to cover sky with clouds to stop sun rays isn't new and this hypothesis was discussed in one very popular film in 1999 and we all well know that this approach was a bad idea, at least to fight machines, but something tells that to fight global warming in a same way will lead to the same result.
@robertmanella528
Ай бұрын
Leave the atmosphere alone!!
@mancroft
Жыл бұрын
If they reflect the sunlight away, what happens to solar- energy-generating facilities?
@zoeherriot
Жыл бұрын
There will still be sunlight.
@CesarAnton
Жыл бұрын
Nothing, it's equivalent to a tiny amount of dust over the panel. The aerosol is dispersed over an extremely large area, so the amount "over" any given panel or even a solar farm is negligible.
@maru5522
Жыл бұрын
We will see a very marginal drop in power, honestly might not even be noticeable in comparison to the drop in AC usage.
@zoeherriot
Жыл бұрын
@Zaydan Alfariz It's not going to affect sunlight, it's not a problem. The biggest issue is that it doesn't solve the root cause - which will still be increasing ocean acidification, which is a bigger problem.
@kedrednael
Жыл бұрын
Colder temperatures would even make solar panels generate electricity more effectively. Also, decreased sun could cause less evaporation, which means less clouds. So the drop in generation would be super small or might even increase.
@dischorddynne
Жыл бұрын
Should we... 1. Listen to scientists and stop carbon output and fossil fuels. OR... b. change the atmosphere even more to try and hide the symptoms of the tragic crisis we as humans have created.
@trader2137
Жыл бұрын
you cant and WONT stop fossil fuels
@kirill2848
Жыл бұрын
1. sounds great but is something we’ve been talking about for decades but we’re constantly moving the goalposts and missing targets. At least 2. seems doable with the forces of society and politics…
@dischorddynne
Жыл бұрын
@@kirill2848 exactly. Because changing the chemistry of the earth is much harder to procrastinate and ignore than stopping an adverse action.
@bananian
Жыл бұрын
There are scientists on both sides...
@dischorddynne
Жыл бұрын
@@bananian Yeah, but which one is more practical?
@bgkillz373
Жыл бұрын
It exsplains why ny don’t have a summer nomore how it’s always cloudy now with low temperatures
@OmegaMikePL
Жыл бұрын
This idea sounds like a plot for a movie. The one without "happy-end"...
@nunofoo8620
Жыл бұрын
The road to unintended consequences is paved with good intentions.
@nuttycakke6969
Жыл бұрын
This sounds very exciting, can we please do another ice age though i really miss the cold weather lol
@seanseoltoir
Жыл бұрын
As someone who lives in the SE Texas Gulf Coast area, I'm all for another Ice Age... We would finally have a TEMPERATE climate instead of the hot & humid hellhole that we have now...
@nuttycakke6969
Жыл бұрын
@@seanseoltoir Yeah, but im thinking that an ice age could cause texas to go into deep freezes during winter. I dont know if alot of people want that lol
@seanseoltoir
Жыл бұрын
@@nuttycakke6969 -- Around here, I doubt that we had a freeze even during the last Ice Age...
@MoonLiteNite
Жыл бұрын
Well we are in a cold cycle for the global temps, we are just finally getting out of it.... give it some time we will get back to cooler temps :)
@Eyes0penNoFear
Жыл бұрын
@@MoonLiteNite this! Also, everyone should learn more about Dansgaard-Oeschger events and the up to 16C of warming on a decadal scale. Kinda makes 1.5 over 150 years seem less scary.
@rowdy35967
Жыл бұрын
It's super complicated, but in one sense it's also super simple. If energy in is greater than energy out, Earth warms up. Solar shields seem like the way to go, then. Long duration reductions on solar energy reaching earth tip the balance of the equation without adding new aerosols to the atmosphere. I've only got a bachelor's in the field, so I'll defer to the experts, lest I find myself atop Mt Dunning-Krueger.
@TheAlkhemiaStudio
Жыл бұрын
these guys needs to see "Animatrix: The Second Renaissance"
@Andy-Dan
Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing what researchers are doing 👏
@lenikrof
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, playing God is amazing.
@Sawyer186
Жыл бұрын
How you guys not have Elizabeth Kolbert featured already? Shes done excellent books on climate change a must read. On her latest book under a white sky she talks about this very same topic!
@dacedebeer2697
Жыл бұрын
Nice try Elizabeth Kolbert.
@stephenr80
Жыл бұрын
I say go for it. I have seen big rain showers 2 times this last year..its wild. We need a solution now.
@stephan4932
Жыл бұрын
We haven't even gotten fertilizers right.. And we don't care. I am so unsure that controlling the temperature will work. And it will not just be an excuse to emit the same way as we do right now.
@bilalrasool1
Жыл бұрын
Often overlooked, blocking the aun will also stop the use of solar energy, even if temporary. Even if it's not completely blocked, it only blocks a certain precent of sunlight, this will also limit solar energy output, and this will mean people who relied on solar will probably move back to fossil fuels to fill the deficit.
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