Very reminiscent of computer tech in the 1980’s. “Don’t buy a 286 PC. Wait for the 386 PC.” “You should now wait for the 486….. or better still, Pentium.” What I hadn’t factored in was how many of my friends therefore missed out on the learning processes, the mental dexterity needed and therefore learned, whilst they waited for the “right” time in delaying their ultimate purchase. Now at nearly 70yrs of age, all these friends - to this day - struggle with digital tech and have been left behind in the financial advantages I have enjoyed of online purchasing and the bargains to be had because of (better) understanding the pro’s and con’s of modern day tech, insurance comparison sites and all things digital. I started my EV ownership with a cheap Nissan leaf for two years, and this gave me the ‘training’ and decision making processes needed for the present purchase of my brand new EV. Ownership of an EV - I believe - like all tech, is a learned process with huge advantages to the initiated. To the uninitiated, expensive mistakes can ultimately make you a bitter and resentful anti-tech anti-progress protagonist.
@benjaminnead8557
8 ай бұрын
This is pretty much the essay I was about to write. There are so many parallels between early adoption of desktop PCs and EVs, as there are between the rollout of the internet and ubiquitous high speed charging. I wish I could conveniently find some of the 30 year old news articles I remember seeing back then that cast doubt on personal computer ownership. These stories were attempting to analyze the significance of a temporary market trend - say, slow consumer sales for a certain quarter - and map that as imminent demise of a computer in every home. Suddenly, just a few short years later, just about everyone you'd ever meet had bought a computer and was plugging their phone lines into it. Historically, we're sort of at that same inflection point with EV adoption.
@ahaveland
8 ай бұрын
Have to take the plunge sometime. My first computer was a 386 with 2 HDs for £3500 back in 1987. It allowed me to make 10x that investment in a year. However, I got a Tesla last year knowing that the price would drop quickly. I didn't actually need it as I got around with an ebike for years, but I'm not getting any younger. Every month that I waited for the price of a Tesla to come down, is another month that I can't spend enjoying it, and tbh, that's worth quite a bit more than just money.
@mrallelectriccarlunacy
8 ай бұрын
"but if I buy the pentium, are my numbers going to be correct when I use it to play games? I need to wait for Pentium II"
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
You raise some good, interesting points.
@timmurphy5541
8 ай бұрын
It's really not worth upgrading most of the time. A PC with memory protection that enabled it to run Linux was worthwhile to me but I didn't need any upgrades after that.
@FiremansJoe
8 ай бұрын
I purchased 2 evs and saved a CRAP LOAD of cash. Now I'm waiting for the next leap (1k mile packs) so I can put a camper on it and retire.
@stuartburns8657
8 ай бұрын
Let me guess your scenario was: 1. Live in the US. 2. Former ICE where large engine models 3.0L+ and mpg was poor 3. You did 10-15k+ annual miles per vehicle. 4. You can charge from home on a cheap rate. 5. You semi regularly swapped cars, every 3-4 years in the 40-60k price bracket
@richh650
8 ай бұрын
Many people are going broke now, by design, and I expect at best will need to hold on to their existing vehicles years longer than they had expected.
@Knott1701
8 ай бұрын
Good video and advice. It's 2 years since i ordered mine and I did a heck of a lot of research, and everyone should do. First new car I'd ever bought so massive financial commitment so obviously didn't want to screw up, and though an older car wouldn't have the range for my use cases. I needed car, public transport or cycling wouldn't cover my main use cases in a reasonable time, charging infrastructure seemed to cover the main routes i needed, etc. As it happens i was pleasantly surprised how good and how the infrastructure has improved, and probably if i was looking now could of gone second hand. Maybe hire one to try out on typical journeys before buying? Also i'm planning to keep it as long as possible, I'm therefore less worried about resale value.
@Prodigious1One
8 ай бұрын
I'm glad that you're happy with your ev.
@michelebreensimmons5713
8 ай бұрын
So good! Thank you! I commute 100 miles each way - and live in Arizona. I have put money down on Aptera ...solar and ev. But i will need a new car in 2 years as i always sell my combustion engine cars at 100k miles. Fingers crossed 😊
@stuartburns8657
8 ай бұрын
Seems like a decent use case for EV. Mindful of winter range impact though!
@michelebreensimmons5713
8 ай бұрын
@stuartburns8657 yes - I agree. Plus I'm at altitude( 5k) I've let them know they can use me as a test vehicle - hot summer, snowy winters.. we'll see. Thank you😁
@stuartburns8657
8 ай бұрын
@@michelebreensimmons5713 Good luck 🙏👍
@ChicagoBob123
8 ай бұрын
Tesla model y if you can get the rebate. If your worried about range get the lr version. They work great
@michelebreensimmons5713
8 ай бұрын
@ChicagoBob123 oh thank you! I'll look into it! I do LOVE the look of Aptera, tho I know it's not for everyone.
@chrisbailey5055
8 ай бұрын
I NEED 500 MILES OF RANGE SIX DOORS A FOUR FOOT BED AND THE ABILITY TO TOW 15000 POUNDS. AMERICA! (so I can drive 15 miles each way to my desk job in an office building)
@ImLivinSD
8 ай бұрын
Really 500 miles, 6 doors bla bla bla Me to Chrisballey, It's always better to have more than you need, than Need more than you have for many reasons. Alas I have heard Chrisballey's comments over and over and over again and they are just rediclous and stupid judging others for their needs. Please tell me what a Software Tech Programmer with a Work from home Office job knows about Construction, Electrical, Concrete, Plumbing, HVAC or any number of other Critical Careers that actually build and create our society ? yet feels like they can dictate what they need. This is why this Electrification Movement has to be Forced with Billions from Govt and a PR Campaign to sway you away from a more connomical tried and tested process.
@chrisbailey5055
8 ай бұрын
@@ImLivinSD I would like to try the coffee you drink, please share the source I guess I forgot that everyone in AMERICA is a contractor.
@NHRunDad
8 ай бұрын
@@ImLivinSDI work with electricians and others in construction. The work trucks are big box trucks. Many of them have personal vehicles that are smaller and/or EV’s. A use case for everything, and EV’s work for people more than they would realize.
@PeggyEscobar-v8j
8 ай бұрын
@@ImLivinSDhe wasn’t talking about a person working in those industries or a rural resident. He specifically mentions an office worker living in the suburbs. For someone like me a suburbanite with no building skills occasionally renting a truck from Home Depot for twenty bucks makes more sense than basing a car purchase on a need I’ve had twice in the last few years.
@michelebreensimmons5713
8 ай бұрын
🤣 I get you.
@franciscobermejo1779
8 ай бұрын
Useful, informative, objective... Pure Transport Evolved!
@chow-chihuang4903
8 ай бұрын
Since I got a cargo ebike and Costco opened a store along a relatively safe bicycle route, my annual driving is less than 600 miles. That’s down from 3,000mi/yr before I got ebikes. It’s amazing how much I can haul between the cargo ebike itself and an attached trailer for times I exceed its onboard space. If I decide to drive to visit family in DC or NYC, it goes up to around 3,000 miles. Given a typical carbon footprint crossover point of 30,000 miles, it would take me 10-50 years to get there. For me, it doesn’t make environmental or financial sense. Even so, if something like the VW ID2forall (I hope they simply call it Polo) were for sale here, I’d still make the switch. Now, for my daughter, who is required to be in office every workday, and has a daily commute of 25 miles and a lack of mass transit options, it makes a lot of sense for her to get a BEV. However, most EVs, even used ones, are still too expensive for her, especially since our state is one that levies a punitive additional annual registration fee for hybrids or full EVs. Again, something similar to the VW ID2 would be within scope for her.
@transportevolved
8 ай бұрын
Please, PLEASE share (if you're comfortable doing so) which country you live in ;) Because some of our commenters don't believe that you can be in the U.S. and use a bike ;) - Nikki.
@chow-chihuang4903
8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I live in a northern suburb of Cincinnati, Ohio. Cycling infrastructure is mostly terrible so I use lightly-traveled residential streets until I can hook into the few painted gutters my township, with its hostile towards anything-not-car attitude, puts down. Odd, given the number of local bike shops. The township to the north and the city to the immediate northeast have been laying in a network of grade-separated paths, so most of my shopping and local recreation rides use their networks. They don’t, however, plow them when it snows. However, my township has been shamed into installing connector paths for a regional Miami-to-Miami trail (between Great and Little Miami Rivers) as nearly every other city or township has already completed their segments. I can now ride 95% on grade-separated paths to the Little Miami Trail from home, which means I no longer need to drive my bike to that trail! Going the other direction, however, is still a death-defying feat, requiring riding alongside cars and trucks traveling anywhere from 35-55mph for long sections. I did it once to attend an opening of a segment within a county park, but I won’t be doing that again until it’s completely connected. I’ve always ridden a bike since I was a kid in Queens, NY. Even then, it was relatively easy to explore by bike. I used the bus and train network while growing up there, until my family moved to an “upscale” suburb where a bus ran only during weekends, and only to the local mall. It was zoned 100% residential, so there wasn’t any “third” place to ride to except the public library. When I finally got a job within a few miles, I commuted by bike when my schedule permitted and weather made it safe enough to do so. Even so, that meant 3-5 days a week by bike from March through November. Outside of those months, there was too little daylight that even I felt safe riding. Taking back roads meant exchanging a 9 mile round trip car commute for a 12 mile bike commute. It would have been much easier had ebikes been commonly available then. I did it mostly for environmental reasons, but also to work daily exercise into my routine. At least one driver told me he appreciated I did that as he recognized I was reducing traffic congestion. That’s how I managed to keep my annual driving well under 5,000 miles a year. There were many days I had to drive to other company worksites or cities, but I biked when I could. After I retired, I drove mostly for long-distance errands and volunteer activities, dropping it to under 2,000 miles a year. I’ve changed my shopping patterns to cut out shops that I can’t ride to. Costco was the last one I couldn’t replace, and drove there twice a month. After they opened a store I could reach somewhat safely by bike, my annual driving miles dropped to just under 600 last year. The same year, I rode 2,100 miles across two ebikes, with 1,600 of them for errands.
@theairstig9164
8 ай бұрын
@@transportevolvedCanberra Australia absolutely nailed bicycle paths everywhere. As a bonus the place has no steep hills worthy of the name. The local government offers cheap loans to e-bike purchasers up to 50%. And on it goes with rental scooters or buses that can mount bicycles in front of the cab. On the days it rains, life reverts as if none of this existed as one might imagine
@randolphlee4586
8 ай бұрын
Top-notch show. Keep up the fine work. "I just wanted to let you know that your show is excellent, and I really appreciate all the hard work you put into it. I also had a suggestion for a potential topic - have you ever considered doing a show about electric cars for rural seniors? As a 75-year-old living in a rural area of Maine, I'm in need of a vehicle for short trips (around 3,000-5,000 miles per year) that has modern safety features to help me remain independent. Currently, I have a deposit down on a Volvo EX30, but if I'm not comfortable with it when they have one available for a test drive (I'm 6'6"), I may cancel it and go with a MINI SE electric instead. Although I considered a used Tesla, the nearest Tesla center is also 120 miles away and I'm hesitant to buy an early model 3 as a used car without easy access to official or experienced independent repair providers. The nearest MINI dealer is also 120 miles away, outside of Boston, but if they were closer, I would be leasing a new MINI SE electric. My current car, a MINI Cooper S from 2004, is in pristine condition but needs to be replaced with a vehicle that has all the modern safety electronics, such as blind spot detection, which I consider essential for me to continue aging in place as a senior citizen who lives alone. Volvo has offered me $3600 as a trade-in on the lease, with the assumption that I'll have the new car by next fall."
@jamesvandamme7786
8 ай бұрын
Second vote for "EVs for rural seniors". And I drive into the Adirondacks, where you're lucky to find a gas station. The NYS Thruway is putting chargers at every rest stop, but you get off the beaten path and you're hurtin'.
@michigandon
8 ай бұрын
This is actually an excellent idea. I personally am 55, and my current plans are to buy some sort of an EV pickup or SUV for my 60th Birthday, retire once it's paid off, and have it be the last truck I ever own.
@michaelmackey754
8 ай бұрын
2023 was the first year in the United States that we surpassed 1 million Evies sold
@fredricgrethel1717
8 ай бұрын
I just returned from a trip to Europe. In Milan and London I saw that I would not need a car at all. That is true of many cities in the UK and on the continent. In the USA it is much more difficult with only a few exceptions. This is a huge issue. Thank you for this video. I am thrilled to support the channel through Patreon. Cheers!
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
It is a shame that this is true. To be fair, those older cities in Europe were built in the days before combustion engines. By comparison, much of the development in the US came after the combustion engine. And to compound this, the US was the number one producer of oil globally for much of this period. It is very interesting to look at charts showing oil production by country over time. I was surprised to see that the US was not just the number one oil producer, but from the beginning of the 20th century up until the mid 1960s, the US was practically the only major oil producer in the world. And then a few years ago, it retook it's spot at or near the top. It explains so much!
@fredricgrethel1717
8 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 Yes they were. And in the USA, companies like General Motors bought up railway rights of way to basically force removal of rail and promote building of highways for more cars. This happened in the Los Angeles and we know how that worked out....
@transportevolved
8 ай бұрын
Except you'd be surprised. Multi-modal transit is a thing in many U.S. cities, but people choose NOT to use it.
@fredricgrethel1717
8 ай бұрын
@@transportevolved I agree that many cities have some multimodal systems and that usage is subpar. Regrettably, very few have a comprehensive system that allow a significant percentage of their population to get from point A to B in a reasonable amount of time or without long walks/bike rides to their ultimate destination. Metro San Francisco can get you to your destination in the city very well. Los Angeles not so much. Phoenix has a terrible mass transit system with small band aids like our light rail and very limited bus system. East Coast cities are much better and most folks do not dare drive into New York or Boston and residents often do not own motor vehicles. I want great mass transit to be consistently the case in the US. We have taken some steps but they are not enough. We share is goal.
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
@@fredricgrethel1717 Yes, I think the best first step for the US in addressing climate change would be to quadruple the budget of most mass transit systems, to increase density and frequency. Especially weekend and evening service. The almost exclusive focus on office hour commuting really kills the ability of people to live without a car.
@SeanLinsley
8 ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of Brompton bikes (despite their price) because they're so easy to fold up and take inside. Perfect for a country like the US where bikes are often stolen if left outside. There even are electric conversion kits available to save some money compared to the e-bike Brompton sells
@xxwookey
8 ай бұрын
Well done for making the point that the right answer isn't 'car' by default. More than 90% of my and my wife's journeys are by bike (work, shopping, pub, mates). Only longer trips or collecting plasterboard sheets are done by car or sometimes sharing lifts. I live on the edge of a medium-sized town. Other trips have been train last two months (UK->Poland and UK->Belgium). We still own a car (well van) (but it's not been taxed for January as it didn't move). Sadly we are still waiting for an electric campervan that fits our needs (bit bigger than a SWB buzz but at least the same range). 7 years so far. I'm hopeful of something in the next couple of years. I'm also really keen on vehicle to grid (as it will sit on the drive a lot) which mostly isn't something that comes with the cars yet. That really should change this year and next. Too many discussion about EVs miss out the 'maybe a bike/scooter/EUC/onewheel/cargo-bike is really what you need' option
@tyskigolf
8 ай бұрын
I agree that car ownership for commuting isn't needed all the time. I live in Metro Vancouver and I commute 20 km each way by ebike and have been doing so almost daily since 2005. I can also commute by transit in about the same time. We sold our 2nd car 11 years ago and we have saved quite a bit of money.
@MrFester
8 ай бұрын
This does kind of fall into the Moore's law category. If you're thinking on waiting for the next big thing, that is always going to be on the horizon. Tech is always like that. We are now a 2 EV family living in the States and have no regrets. Plus you now have Bucee's coming to the charging rescue. 😂
@timmurphy5541
8 ай бұрын
When I looked a few months ago the only affordable (for me) used EV was a first gen leaf and it was a lot of money for a quite limited car. Now an e-UP or a 52kw Zoe is looking manageable and that would be much more functional. It would take many years at our current mileage to make any saving that mattered when you look at the cost of the car. The ICE we have is worth little now so selling it doesn't really help. All that helps is that eventually we'll be faced with a repair bill we don't want to pay and then we'll have to have a replacement car which will be whatever EV is good value at that time.
@raymondleury8334
8 ай бұрын
In a suburb that was built for cars and has cold winters like where I live, it requires massive compromise to rely only on public transit. NACS is not a reason to wait if you need to buy a car. All manufacturers will have adaptors and those will only needed when you don't charge at home.
@PeggyEscobar-v8j
8 ай бұрын
Charging at home is the significant issue. I charge at home exclusively at the moment, so the issues over charging stations are purely academic for me now. Though I will probably buy an adapter some time.
@michaelanders6161
8 ай бұрын
Glad to see you you include the option of used ev purchase. That is what I did, in June of 2021, actually, saving a tremendous amount, in part, because I bought an "obsolete" CHAdeMO-equipped 2017 Kia Soul ev. It was low miles and still had 18 months of warranty, for a few thousand $$ less than the absolute cheapest ice economy cars available new. Yes, it has had its issues. Basically, see Kate's excellent videos on the Soul ev for the gist. (Thanks, Kate!) It currently has a battery pack recall but the company has yet to offer me a fix. My range, a mere 100 U.S. miles new, was my actual available range the first 2 years I had it, then suddenly it dropped to 76 max part way through 2023. Ultimately I am hoping Kia will honor their recall with a battery swap, as paying for that myself would be more than I paid for the car. But do I regret my purchase? Actually, no. Ergonomically, it has been a great little car, the perfect size for me, quiet, and although only suitable as a local commuter, I have saved a ton on gas and oil changes alone, since there are none of either. And in this time, I have only needed to rent a car twice for long road trips, so it HAS been manageable, and I feel better about my carbon footprint while I wait for more economical ev options to hit the market. The used ev has afforded me plenty of time to wait and read up on ev technology developments, which has me currently looking forward either to a chance at a base range future aptera solar electric vehical, for which I am a reservation holder, or perhaps another ev if any sub-$20k options become available before the aptera comes to market. Hyundai Casper? Vinfast VF3, perhaps? Dare I say maybe even the promised 2025/26 Tesla Musk-mobile Elon is promising to cost only $25k and to qualify for the U.S. $7,500 tax credit? I detest Musk, socio-politically, but Teslas really do seem compelling. My used Soul ev is giving me breathing room to sift through these uncertainties a bit longer. I do envy China its small ev options, though. My dream ev currently would be the Chinese Wuling Bingo top spec hatchback, which looks fantastically practical at a mere $12k equivalent price. Fat chance of it coming to the U.S. however. 😢 So it looks like the aptera, with its minimal need for any charging infrastructure and its likely lower insurance cost, due to being an enclosed three wheeler rather than a full-fledged "car," may still turn out to be the most economical choice, assuming that base model makes it to market. Fingers crossed!
@StormyDog
8 ай бұрын
I've generally bought used cars but a couple years ago got a Tesla Model Y. Paid more than the current cost but it was worth it. At the current price it's an incredible bargain. Will never go back to a a fossil fuel car. Will never go back to a car that's not software defined. Regular over the air updates just keep adding features and tweaking the driving experience. Went to a Valentine party a couple days ago. While there we all got dumped on with 6" of snow and ice. Ten minutes before leaving I hit "defrost" in the Tesla app on my phone. When I went outside I was surprised to see that the windows were all melted clean. Just got in the warm Model Y and drove away. Everyone else was still scraping the ice and snow from their cars. The roads obviously weren't great but the Model Y handled it far better than my last car, a Subaru Forester AWD. Best car for mid Minnesota winters that I've owned.
@tannermcnabb4836
8 ай бұрын
We felt this before getting our ID4 last spring....the whole NACS thing came about just as we were gonna take delivery, and we legit thought about not going thru with it at the time. Glad we still did....no dealer markups or BS. 16000kms on it, for 3,500kwh energy used, which costs around $470. That's not reflecting that with some free charging we didn't actually pay for all the energy used, but just if we had at home. Name a gas vehicle that can drive 100km on $3 cost of fuel. Where I live, $3 buys you about a litre and a half of gasoline. Long story - if you do actually need a vehicle, and your existing ones are falling apart and you're starting to spend $3-4000/year each on maintenance on them as we were....go for it.
@joevwgti.
8 ай бұрын
I just love my e-bike. On occasion(nice weather), I will ride the train to work(with my bike), then I just ride the bike home. It's 20mi there, and back, but the train really helps. They've a whole car here just for bikes.
@wewk584
8 ай бұрын
I agree that waiting for nacs doesn’t make sense unless you just really aren’t in a rush. I would say psychological barriers like range are not as dismissable as it seems. Especially while fast charging infrastructure still needs work. If taking a trip even if infrequently causes white knuckles worrying about getting stuck on the road or requires a doctorate in EV trip preparation when a GED in ICE cars was all that is required for a trip in as gas car then that will be more of a barrier than it should be. This transition won’t happen or will take forever if it’s made too difficult. If you try to convince someone happy with gas engines to switch to BEV by basically telling them they are being unreasonable , well the chances to convince them will be pretty low.
@10lawngnomes37
8 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. Great points on the various reasons to wait or not even buy at all. It's a needed discussion in the industry, so thanks for making sure people consider it before diving into the hype of a new (or new to them) shiny transit option
@georgepelton5645
8 ай бұрын
My first thought on the subject is that if you already have an EV that meets your needs, wait. Otherwise, buy one (used or new) now. Life it too short to drive ICE.
@karlInSanDiego
8 ай бұрын
When some KZitemrs (KC) were actively coercing and frightening all the manufacturers to jump ship on CCS and made much hey about the unreliability of the CCS very high speed network (EA), they didn't consider the many problems the unforced error of NACS transition would cause. It was an annoying dog and pony show to watch scared manufacturers parade to Musk's door and take the knee. No one talked about the fact that NACS didn't even actually exist in the wild, combining CCS protocol with Tesla connector. Nor did they discuss the new internal reconfiguration and mission critical contactors that would be needed to move existing designs built for CCS, to natively support NACS and Tesla's dual use of the two primary contacts for both AC and DC. And no one considered two years of Osborne Effect where experienced and more so inexperienced EV curious buyers would delay buying any EV while they wait for the announced NACS transition to occur. Great video, Nikki and Team TE!
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
These are good points. There have definitely been some unintended consequences. Still, in the long run, I think it was essential to have a single charging connector and the ability to use any charger when traveling. Recent events have shown that there are still some major gaps in how the EV industry will address that portion of the auto market who currently buy and drive 20 year old cars. A lot of them are going to face a learning curve that will seem insurmountable. Getting everyone on a single connector is a necessary first step in addressing this part of the market. Subsequent steps will have to include completely "idiot-proofing" every aspect of EV operation. We are probably a decade away from accomplishing this. But at least the first step has been taken.
@rp9674
8 ай бұрын
I'm not happy about NACs & making charging confusing again, at least for noobs. Are we sure they can't design a better connector in 2 years?
@JohnRoss1
8 ай бұрын
J3400 is the standard covering many issues besides the shape and pins of a connector. If someone wants to wait for the new standards before purchasing a car that is what's best for them. A lot will change over the next 2 years. If they don't want to be part of the experiment good for them. 🎉
@rp9674
8 ай бұрын
Continuing change 2yr, 4yr., 10yr. , forever. 10 yr. Old EVs still work. Waiting for perfection will be a long wait.
@leax_Flame
8 ай бұрын
I still have a several good years left on my old Celica and I drive under 4000 miles/yr. I’m just waiting for the funds to build up and strike the best deal I can find when I need to switch. I’m expecting the Bolt2 and cheaper versions of Hyundai/Kia’s new platform to be out by then.
@KaiCheetah
8 ай бұрын
I’m about to jump from a HEV to a EV (a 2021 Toyota Corolla Hybrid to a BZ4x!)
@swanvictor887
8 ай бұрын
why don't you buy a real EV?
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
Would love to see a video about the differences, after you make the switch.
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
@@swanvictor887A real EV is a vehicle that runs on electricity. The BZ4X does that. Real EVs are part of the solution to climate change. There may be other EVs with faster charging or longer range, but the BZ4X has other strengths that make it a very worthy purchase. Especially the part about running on electricity.
@swanvictor887
8 ай бұрын
You're a brave man....Toyota actively HATE EVs: there's a theory flying around that they made the BZx4 deliberately bad, to drive their customers back to ICE. It may not be such a daft plan as it sounds because, boy, that car was dreadful! Even Bjorn Nyland thought it had something wrong with it, so bad was its performance. Toyota's are generally, overpriced and underspecced. I wish you the best of luck because I suspect....you may need it in the coming few months....!@@davidmenasco5743
@larrywest42
8 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743agreed. I think it's unhelpful for anyone to be snobbish about people choosing an EV that they personally dislike - I'd never buy a Tesla, but nor would I give someone a hard time for doing so.
@EliotHochberg
8 ай бұрын
Before watching the video, here’s the advice I give people today about getting an electric vehicle (I drive a compliance Fiat 500 E for the record) First, if you can afford one of the more expensive EV‘s, then by all means get one. The range on them is usually sufficient and you can expect from most car companies a decent level of service, even Tesla, and if something goes wrong, you probably have a finances to address it. Next, if you have control over a place where you can plug your electric vehicle in, then also yes. It can cost a few thousand dollars to put in a level two charger if you need to do that, but whether renting or owning, if you have a garage or driveway where you’re allowed to and have the ability to decide to Install a place to charge, then there’s no reason why you can’t have an electric vehicle, no matter the year it was manufactured. Things get a little tougher, however, if you have some limitations. If you’re very excited to get an electric vehicle, and are willing to do the research, then you need to figure out whether or not you have sufficient charging infrastructure for your typical driving habits. To and from work, Various shopping trips that you go on, and the occasional longer distance trip. It is unfortunately still the case that the Tesla supercharger network is really the only option if you drive long distances frequently. But for most other people, especially people like me who when I would go from Los Angeles to Las Vegas would rent a car anyway even when I had my Mustang GT, because I was concerned it might overheat in the desert, there’s really no reason Why you can’t have any electric car if you are enthusiast. You just need to make sure that you can charge it regularly. If however, you do the research and can’t find reliable charging, and you can’t charge at home, then having an electric vehicle can be very difficult. And even if you have charging at work, or charging near your house, you may still find that having an electric vehicle is currently still less convenient than you’d like it to be if you have a typical household with several people dependent on that kind of transportation. Used electric vehicles can be an option, and for most of them, you will maintain sufficient range even if they are 10 or more years old. The exception of this is the Nissan leaf. Because it is air cooled, it seems as though those batteries go bad more quickly And at a higher accelerated rate once they start going bad. I advise people not to get those, but if they do want one, then make sure you have a solid understanding of what the current condition of the battery pack is. Another question people will have his maintenance, And in my experience, generally speaking it is absolutely true that maintenance cost less for an electric vehicle than it does for a gas one. You don’t have, as we all know, all the problems that come with gas and lubrication for the drivetrain. However, there can still be issues and electric vehicle. First of all, the suspension is Not terribly different from a gas vehicle, and and while gas cars are heavier than they used to be, electric vehicles still can weigh it more. This can put more wear on the suspension, but more importantly it can put more wear on the tires. I’ve driven my Fiat about 12,000 miles since I got it in 2020, and I had to replace six tires in that time. That’s a lot more than I would have had even with my Mustang that had low profile tires. On the other hand, I’ve been lead to believe and it seems to be true that any electric vehicle that has proper regenerative braking will probably never need to have its brakes replaced. So it’s a bit of a trade-off. The big question that people have that is difficult for electric vehicles is what happens if you get into a car crash? Let’s be very clear at the top, any modern car, that is any car made after 2012, is significantly more expensive to repair than cars that are older than that. That is to say, modern vehicles are much more difficult to repair by your local mechanic than cars from prior to about 2012 or 2010. And because of all of the non-standardized parts of modern vehicles, even the simplest thing like switching out old light can be and expensive. All the more so with all of the LED lights that a lot of new vehicles have. Electric vehicles are no different, but the potential cost is a bit of a split. On the one hand, I got into an accident with my Fiat, and they wanted to total it because one of the body panels goes from the rear wheel all the way across to the front of the windshield, and it would’ve cost $14,000, about the same value at the time of 2016 Fiat 500 E. But this issue would’ve applied to any Fiat no matter the drivetrain. however, in the rare case that the battery system is damaged in an accident, with today’s liability and repair policies, you’re going to have to replace that entire battery. You’ll be hard-pressed to spend less than $6000, and that’s just for the battery, for newer vehicles with 2 to 300 miles of range, you’re looking at $10-$20,000. Your insurance probably will not cover that. The good news is if you have good insurance, you should be fine. Assuming the failures from an accident that was not your fault. And more good news is very often the parts of those vehicles can be used by crafty mechanics to convert older vehicles to electric. But the bad news is if for some reason you have to pay that money out of pocket, that’s a really big hit. So your trading an easier to repair system for less likelihood that you’ll have to repair it at all but a more expensive repair if you do. As far as driving and range anxiety, I think people don’t have as much anxiety over gas cars as they should, just think of how many of your friends almost ran out of gas or actually did over the years. but good planning and paying attention to how your vehicle drives, learning its quirks and getting used to them, will prevent all but the most rare serious running out of electricity from happening. The only other caveat that I have at this time is that if you legitimately regularly tow, you’re gonna find it challenging to find an electric vehicle that will provide you with the kind of range you want while towing. Make no mistake, gas and diesel towing vehicles use up a lot of fuel while towing. But the amount of range they can store is still currently more than your average electric vehicle, in the range of 600 miles unladen, which converts to about two or 300 miles when towing. But additionally,if you’re the kind of person who is used to driving for six hours straight, so far electric vehicles can’t compete with that kind of driving habit.
@randallpoole6315
8 ай бұрын
The lack of low cost EV’s is the problem. The average person can’t afford a $50k+ new EV and people are afraid of used electric vehicles due to battery degradation and other issues. I just picked up a used 2020 Bolt for 18k, and after three weeks it’s easily the best car purchase decision I’ve ever made.
@patrickmckowen2999
8 ай бұрын
Good vid👍 As a 2 car owner, one a 2019 Bolt owner in Canada (Recall battery replaced😁), the other an 2022 ICE Ford Maverick. I want to replace the Mav with an electric. The only thing Im waiting for is a midsize EV pickup. I think Ford and Chev should have done that with the Ranger and Colorado before the F150 and Silverodo IMHO. I looked at the Lightning but it wont fit in the garage🤣, and with all the theft here, Im not parking in the driveway. Cheers
@peternoris2989
8 ай бұрын
I have just moved up from a Volt to an EV6, and wanted to point out what I've learned about charging with what you call a "granny cord" - a 110V EVSE. Kia's don't come with a charge cord, but unless I'm missing something, I get a bit over 50 miles from a 10 hour overnight charge on 110V .A busy week, I might need to do it twice. Up to about 280 miles, with planning, no problem. Plus, it's not only an EPA station wagon by size, it's the fastest daily driver I've ever had. Hyundai Kia in Charlotte are overstocked on and the are willing to make sharp discounts off the Monroney.
@suad01
8 ай бұрын
How was the battery degradation on the volt?
@bradleyanderson4315
8 ай бұрын
I have one now. I would wait a while longer for another one. Until they all have NACs and software improves. Then when stealerships no longer add “because we can “ price add ons. Currently loan interest rates are high and my auto insurance went up 30% in the last 12 months. Add to that the federal income tax cuts that will sunset in 2026.
@michaelmackey754
8 ай бұрын
Great video… We bought a Mach e in 2023 and it came with a 10 year warranty on the battery. Do you think they would ever give you a 10 year warranty on an ice engine no!
@jamesvandamme7786
8 ай бұрын
Transmissions are even worse than engines. Ask me how I know.
@stevezodiac491
5 ай бұрын
Read the 10 year warranty, my 30kwhr Nissan leaf only guarantees 9 battery bars out of 12 before 100k miles and 8 years" at Nissan's discretion " they do not replace batteries unless it is a total failure, they only repair or replace faulty cells if they choose to honour their warranty, only to bring degradation back up to 9 battery bars. My 8 year old leaf has now lost 4 battery bars ( 8 left ) ( 33% degradation ) after only circa 40 k miles. Wouldn't ever buy another EV. Apart from EV's in my experience being a logistical nightmare, second hand they are difficult if not impossible to sell because of the battery being such an unknown, from a degradation point of view. I would suspect that every dealer stamp for every year would need to be there also, as a means for an escape clause as well from any responsibility. Meanwhile I also own a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel and a 20 year old Mazda MX5, both in perfect working order and neither have degraded whilst not in use in the garage. Oh and the Merc has a range brimmed at highway speeds of 650 miles.
@elmojito
8 ай бұрын
One issue you fail to mention relates to the buyer's plan relating to how long they keep their cars. If one is the type that changes cars after relatively short time they should be prepared to absorb large depreciation which is the rule today. Itf they keep their cars very long what brands have the best battery longevity - also battery type as LIFEPO which have a longer life as well as charging characteristics allowing charging to 100% all the time.
@karlInSanDiego
8 ай бұрын
For those not familiar, NACS isn't just a different connector. It requires the addition of new contactors and diligent fault tolerance to make dual use of the two primary leads. A mistaken, faulty design presents a danger to your home's electric appliances/wiring, or your car's battery at 220v AC and 400-900V DC don't play well together. Manufacturers now have to support this standout design, while also having to support CCS2 for other markets. Tesla's own NACS literature on the matter warns about the risk of battery fires when designing for this dual use. So you can imagine, it's not as simple as buying a NACS part to use interchangeably on the assembly line. They'll need to do careful testing and design review of the new circuit and components, and also plan for eventual contactor failures and how the car will be safe the day that happens.
@BrunoBGarcia79
8 ай бұрын
one of the most depressing points of my current life is that my work is less than a mile from home, but there are no bike or even pedestrian paths, as a result, we need a car just do these 850 meters
@rp9674
8 ай бұрын
Used leaf
@BrunoBGarcia79
8 ай бұрын
@@rp9674 That is the plan for this year
@rp9674
8 ай бұрын
@BrunoBGarcia79 great plan, sounds like transport solved
@jacksonbangs6603
8 ай бұрын
My first EV was a used 2015 Nissan Leaf. On Black Friday of 2021 I traded it in for a used 2020 Chevrolet Bolt EV Premier. Because I had enough money saved up, I was able to pay it all off on the day of purchase. Yes it still has the old battery, but thanks to my low mileage lifestyle this is not a big deal. Awesome video!
@alancadorette3447
8 ай бұрын
I really like the control having my car gives me
@junkerzn7312
8 ай бұрын
Its easy for 2-car families. I bought my ID.4 2 years ago (roughly) and we figured at least 5 (or more) years before we would replace our Subaru Outback. And by then we expect run-of-the-mill BEVs will be sitting north of 500 miles of highway range.
@jpg0927
8 ай бұрын
My partner & I leased a chevy Volt after her honda civic's engine self destructed right on schedule. We stopped to fill the tank 3 months after bringing it home & had to consult the manual to find the fuel port & release. We were in the fortunate position to purchase an ev from everyone's favorite manufacturer when the lease was up. The Volt we returned was literally the same price in 2017. No point in dragging an engine around with an ev. If I lived in a city, my personal choice would be a good rainsuit and an ebike. BTW my first computer was a Commodore 64. The second had an 8086 cpu & a 5MB hd.
@bellshooter
8 ай бұрын
Good advice! In general in the UK it's lease new, buy second-hand. The market here is shunning the overpriced EV offerings of Stellantis and some are discounted by £10,000 or more, bringing them to the price they should have been! Vauxhall Corsa-e down from £32k to £20k as an example. Also second user cars off 2/3 years lease with 10,000 to 25,000 miles are readily available at half new price or less (ref: Jonathan P videos).
@stephensoper458
8 ай бұрын
Great job - lots of information. Thanks. Where could I find information about used EV's? What used EV's are for sale and how to find them? What are the best to consider?
@xWood4000
8 ай бұрын
I think I will wait a few years and buy a used LFP EV in a few years. I don't have currently the income for a car, but I already see what the benefit would be like
@l10industries
8 ай бұрын
You will also avoid a lot of depreciation that way. Used EVs are a great deal right now and will be even better with LFP batteries.
@AnonymousFreakYT
8 ай бұрын
Lots of good points! At this point, my sister is waiting for Subaru to release a reasonably road-tripable EV before she goes electric. My father-in-law says his current vehicle should last him the rest of his life (also a mid-10s Subaru.)
@RBickersjr
8 ай бұрын
I've already made up my mind. My next vehicle is going to be pure electric, no hybrid. Why do it half-assed? All or nothing for me. Don't forget during the pandemic, people actually got to see the clear water in Venice Italy too 😁. For me personally, I'm saving up for an Aptera. If that doesn't pan out, I'll get another EV instead. The only gas I want to have in the future is the kind I produce myself 🤣🤣.
@maurice3590
8 ай бұрын
Here in Portugal the used market basically consists 95% of Zoe's Which is a great car but with a rented battery and a price of approximately 10k still quit expensive!
@MarkSpohr
8 ай бұрын
I live in a semi-rural area but since it is a tourist area, we have good public transportation (busses plus a free Uber-like service). I've been driving Teslas for the past 9 years. My backup car is 24 years old with 200,000 miles which I only drive about 1000 miles a year (mostly in deep snow. I was thinking of replacing it with another EV but I really don't need to spend the money. I also have several eBikes for summer use. Thanks for your thoughtful discussion.
@danielmadar9938
8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@JustWasted3HoursHere
8 ай бұрын
I bought my first and current EVs (a 2016 and 2018 Kia Soul EV) and have never looked back. Got the first one for about $13,000 and the second one for about $19000. The first was involved in a crash and I used the payout money (about $3000 more than I paid for it!) to put towards the second one, which has been fantastic. I always recommend to people who are looking into getting an EV but can't justify $30,000 or more to genuinely look into the used market. Take your time! I researched for about 6 months before I settled on mine. Think about the ACTUAL features you need and go from there.
@smellysam
8 ай бұрын
Too late, got a ID-Buzz. It is a ridiculous oversized clown car that my children chose - and they are happy. The brake is a bit harsh, it's very basic for the price, the interior is less cheerful than a calvinist wake and the real life range is 400km - but it was the only real life option we had at the time of choosing. As a company car, great, but I would not buy it as a private vehicle at the present price/equipment level/range. Totally off subject, but have you seen the The Toyota Hilux Champ? Small, light pickup with small engines? IC for now, but it's 12000€ for a farm/work truck that probably uses less than a third the ressources and hydrocarbons to manufacture/run than the F150 style monstrosities. There is a rumored EV version in the pipeline too, but I dont have info yet.
@larrywest42
8 ай бұрын
Speaking of monstrosities, check out the F-250 or F-350 ... though those are actually used for *real* work, not just posing or larping as most suburban F-150s are.
@smellysam
8 ай бұрын
@@larrywest42 I live in Belgium, a F150 would limit where you can go. Even this Buzz made me change my school route.
@smortg
8 ай бұрын
I think the idea of 'waiting' for a purchase is a bit like timing the stock market - it's a limited question based more on an EV as an asset rather than a utility. I got my EV recently, mostly because I'd been feeling to upgrade my car, but also because I examined my use case (commuting in and around cities about 50 mile round trip with a short notice schedule) and saw the best car for the price and lower emissions. I'd like to use my e-bike more, especially with weather above 10 degrees, but I'd still have to rely on a dubious UK train system. The only real waiting game is infrastructure in my opinion. Most arguments against EV usage (charging availability and what not) are similar to arguments against relying on public transport I didn't try to to time it too well. I'd just experienced the harshest economic year I've ever had, but the small investment was worth it. I hope to upgrade the battery on my used EV, rather than pay a few thousand more for a car that only helps save a couple hours on trips every 3 months
@177grego
8 ай бұрын
Good on you Nikki for posing the question "Do you even need a car!"
@markcayer4859
8 ай бұрын
Interesting discussion points and as always it seems every EV question has the same answer, "It depends". Where I live in the "Frozen North" winter temperatures definitely enter the discussion. Coupled with a boondogled public transit system that regularly breaks down and an absence of small affordable EV models since the death of the e-Golf and Bolt as examples it requires a fair amount of research to fill in the pro and con list. Used car prices for just about any kind of vehicle, ICE or EV, coupled with unattractive interest rates ... well it's just not easy.
@3089280288
8 ай бұрын
Now why don't they have 2 separate battery packs so the accessories don't drain the power train pack when the cars run low on power?
@transportevolved
8 ай бұрын
Electric cars tend to have two batteries: traction and accessory. Accessories pull very little power in comparison to the drive motors. The DC:DC converter works like an alternator, keeping the 12V accessory battery (sometimes a different voltage) Topped up.
@marvenlunn6086
8 ай бұрын
It is about how far you need to go and places to charge you EV also the price of electricity the electricity cost seems to be increasing quickly in some places hearing in some places it's cheaper to fuel an ICE vehicle than an EV
@tedmcdaniel2951
8 ай бұрын
Good video, but the assertion that commute distance correlates to public transit availability is wrong. Population density along the commute can correlate with public transit availability, but not just distance.
@pdxmarine1430
8 ай бұрын
Those PGE rate hikes were such a kick in the teeth...especially with that ice storm we had, my electric bill made me want to cry
@jamesvandamme7786
8 ай бұрын
How much is gas?
@pdxmarine1430
8 ай бұрын
@@jamesvandamme7786 No idea. My house doesn't have a gas line
@macbuff81
8 ай бұрын
Cars are overpriced especially decent EVs. Prices need to come down significantly. Til then, I'll drive my 2013 Golf Mk.7 which I got lowered and and tuned to give it some extra oomph
@AlanTov
8 ай бұрын
Check out used EV’s. Not bad at all.
@AudiTTQuattro2003
8 ай бұрын
Ditto. My 2003 TT is my last car unless someone totals it in an accident.
@Yanquetino
8 ай бұрын
Heh. Moot point. I just bought my third EV last month!
@jamiegolden7093
8 ай бұрын
My EV suits my use cases well and replaces my 13 year old ICE daily driver handily. I made a strategic purchase at year's end saving about $8k off MSRP on a vehicle I knew had been on the lot for a few months. 2 years of free charging at a station 5 miles away was a nice perk. But the key for me is being able to charge at home as a backup. My EV is fast, comfortable, and performs as well or better in the snow than my luxury German sedan that has served me exquisitely for 13 years. Buying now seems to have been a great choice.
@JasonTaylor-po5xc
8 ай бұрын
From a financial standpoint, buying "new" is huge kick in the pants. While there are _some_ advantages, they don't overcome the depreciation that happens regardless of drive train in the first 5 years. So, I would advise anyone to look at gently used vehicles (EV or not) instead (2-3 years old). If you want buy new, I recommend having a net-worth of at least $1 million because at that point, the money lost in depreciation probably isn't going to delay or prevent retirement. Granted, you can do anything you want provided the bank approves you - but that doesn't mean it is the best financial decision long term.
@raitchison
8 ай бұрын
I'm planning on holding onto my 2017 Bolt for the foreseeable future, not because I'm in love with it, I'm not, but because there isn't another BEV on the market right now that I'd prefer over the Bolt. If I had to replace the Bolt (like if it got into a major accident) now I probably wouldn't, I'd go back to daily driving my now 20 year old Mazda3 and hope that a decent EV comes out in the next few years (maybe the EV2). If I didn't have the Mazda3 to fall back on, I don't know what I'd buy,
@davidrandall2742
8 ай бұрын
In early 2023 I bought a Bolt euv Lt, and I'm glad I did; I can now wait out 2024, which I think will be tumultuous for ev production. Even if the Bolt ends up being worth nothing, it's already saved me a bunch of money commuting, and I can use it for home battery storage when I get the solar system installed.
@CrankyOldNerd
8 ай бұрын
the cargo bike stock footage with no helmets on the 'parent' nor the 'kids' is very facepalm lol
@Bjaardker
8 ай бұрын
Lease new, buy used. With interest rates as high as they are right now, leases often have far lower bank rates and can save you a bunch of money.
@raitchison
8 ай бұрын
Maybe if you get a new car every 3-5 years. If you keep your car for >5 years then leasing will almost(?) always be a bad financial decision (as will getting a new car every 3-5 years)
@Bjaardker
8 ай бұрын
@@raitchison even if you're keeping your car for 5+ years, getting a lightly used vehicle will always be a smarter choice since the majority of a car's depreciation happens in the first 24-36 months. That's why lease new buy used.
@AudiTTQuattro2003
8 ай бұрын
Wait. If your ICE is working, maintain it. The only good reason to switch is if you have charging available to you, and you drive extreme amounts of mileage. Otherwise, wait for battery tech improvements.
@todddunn945
8 ай бұрын
There are additional considerations. As a person who keeps vehicles until they die, I am very reluctant to buy an EV now due to the changing battery chemistry landscape. I refer to the roll out of sodium ion batteries. Since any EV I might buy now will likely be with me for many years, the current lithium based battery will very likely need replacement before the rest of the car is worn out. Given the evolution of batteries, I have concerns that a replacement battery may simply not be available at a reasonable price or at all. So I prefer to wait until EVs settle on a battery type/design (maybe even a cross platform compatible battery). Second, the current trend toward giant touch screens used to control vehicle features is a huge negative for me. I know this is a personal preference, but I definitely prefer a vehicle with fixed location switches, buttons and levers that are always ready to use without looking at them or going through multiple menus. I also prefer a vehicle that is not connected to some higher power over the internet. The latter reflects a desire for a simpler vehicle and the fact that I do not have cell service at ground level where I live. If the manufacturer wants to update my vehicle I definitely want them to contact me, explain the reason for the update and then let me decide if I want to do it and also do it at my choice of time and place. Finally, I choose to wait until there are less expensive EVs available that meet my needs. If I lived in a city with decent public transit I likely would go car free, but I don't. I live in a rural area with no public transit, so a vehicle of some sort is necessary. Maybe sometime in the future I will buy an EV, but that time is currently years away for the reasons I listed above and the simple fact that my current ICE vehicles are essentially new (~20,000 miles) and not anywhere near needing replacement. Consequently, if I replaced one or both of my current vehicles with an EV, the ICE vehicles would still be on the road, likely purchased by someone who would drive much more than the 3,500 miles per year I currently drive those vehicles. So there would be a rather large net negative environmental impact to my switching to an EV. Also, by the time EVs meet my needs/requirements I will likely no longer be driving since I am now 75. I have one other comment about your video. That is your suggestion that a person should consult a financial advisor before buying a vehicle. The implication that people are not financially savvy enough to make a sound fiscal decision on a vehicle purchase is insulting.
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
You may want to consider an EV with LFP batteries. They have three major advantages over the nickel based batteries. 1) About three times higher cycle life (if I recall correctly). On paper at least. Plus the risk of degradation associated with fully discharging is averted. 2) Much lower cost. This means they are found in the more affordable EVs -- and more of these are on the way, probably all of the more affordable models coming to market will use LFP. Corollary: These will also include some relatively low tech EVs that might have actual buttons. 3) Bonus - The small risk of battery fire, is even smaller. Maybe non-existent actually. They also have a big advantage over Sodium ion. Which is that LFP batteries actually exist now, and they are a proven technology. They pre-date nickel based batteries. Among technology observers, there is some doubt whether sodium ion will ever become established in the mainstream auto market.
@todddunn945
8 ай бұрын
@@davidmenasco5743 Actually there are already cars out with sodium batteries. I am fully aware of the advantages of LFP batteries since I have them on my yacht. LFP batteries do have some down sides in that they are lower energy density than Li-ion batteries. So for the same battery size/weight LFP provides lower battery capacity. They are available now in lower range cars. That said, I am not now in the market for a new vehicle of any kind, except possibly a new motoryacht to replace my sailing yacht. I sold my classic motoryacht two years ago. While a yacht may have a house battery bank made up from LFP batteries, it will not have an electric propulsion system. In about 15 years, if I am still driving, I may look at an EV.
@A1N0
8 ай бұрын
I've been searching for an EV for a while. In AZ, many have EVs, and all the early adopters have them. What is harder is all the next adopters, like me. I see two problems, and really only these two. Availability of chargers for long trips, and chargers for renters, and people with on-street parking. The latter is a BIG problem that I really don't see being addressed. But I own a house and garage, so not a problem for me. But travel is. I like in Phoenix and go to San Diego, LA, Vegas, etc. Lets look at San Diego. So its about a 375 mile trip, so maybe one charge, but between here and San Diego is a GIANT mountain range maybe 75 miles long, and steep. There are no chargers there and when I go to San Diego, I see Teslas at the side of the road, so lots of miscalulation going on. That is my fear, and if its an unfound fear, there needs to be more to address my fear. This is why the growth of EVs have slowed. Its ALL about charging.
@jonmartinson6830
5 ай бұрын
Wifey and I both bought new vehicles in the last year. We decided to go with very efficient ICE rather than EV. We agreed electric vehicles are nifty and certainly the way of the future. I think most families will still have at least one internal combustion vehicle for longer trips, and use an electric vehicle for shorter trips or regular commuting, at least for the near future. Perhaps more time to work out bugs with the infrastructure and the cars themselves would benefit everyone overall.
@danielcarroll3358
8 ай бұрын
For me the answer is easy. I've never owned a car or had a need for one. I've worked in six US states and three foreign countries. Yes, I did get a drivers license. Those are cheap... it's cars that are expensive. I have a garage and all that, but my Walk Score is 98, Bike Score 98 and Transit Score is 62, which is actually better than that appears to be. Once I hit 80 (not that far off) I'll buy an E-trike. That should do it. Oh, and the local municipality provides $40 of taxi vouchers monthly once you hit 70.
@brendanpells912
8 ай бұрын
Considering we're being constantly told that EVs are only going to get better and cheaper, it makes sense to wait and continue to drive the car you already have. There's also uncertainty about which EV makers are likely to go bust, and you don't want a car that you can't get spares and support for. For the UK especially, the government needs to come clean on exactly what plans they have for taxing the use of EVs as revenues from fuel duty dwindle. This gives voters the opportunity to decide whether the roll out of EVs is a future that they actually want.
@CoordinatedCarry
7 ай бұрын
I’m a diesel fan boy. Truck driver by trade. I definitely still want something like a new diesel Suburban. However, I just got don’t ditching my POS 1997 Jeep Grand Cherokee for a 2020 Chevy Bolt EV. I absolutely love that thing so far. She’s a fast little $#!&. Seats fold down for doggies. No fuel, no oil leaks, no worries.
@ReallyNS
8 ай бұрын
I just recently moved to the US and got my driver's license here. I'm now faced with this decision. I'd be happy to stick to my e-bike to get around town. But since I intend to work as an electrician, I need some kind of reliable commute vehicle that can handle variable commute distances. I really never have been into cars and don't want to support the oil industry, but 2nd hand EV market isn't quite where I'd like it to be yet. It's a hard choice.
@michigandon
7 ай бұрын
I'm waiting, mainly because I want to get some other obligations paid off and squared away first. Hoping to buy myself something along the lines of a Canoo, R2 or Telo, and retire once it's paid off.
@MegaWilderness
8 ай бұрын
Nothing cheap enough on the used market with a reliable battery. I'll wait for better battery endurance. My car is paid for and nothing can compete
@Dupont550
8 ай бұрын
If you drive an ICE vehicle, buy an EV now. Waiting for “better” means you’ll never own one, because the next ones are always better.
@ImLivinSD
8 ай бұрын
This is precisely why Electronic Cars in general won't work for the rest of us non Tech Gadget folks. Who would want to buy a questionable 2005 iPhone when in 6 months the Cheeper, more capable USB type C iPhone with wireless charging is coming out. I will wait till all the Software Bugs, Charging and Safety Mechanical issues are worked out. I know you hate facts....but If something is a big RUSH to get....it's best to wait till all the big innovation steps are taken say Solid State batteries....like Current Cell phones (as after all EV's are full of Tech) have pretty much Topped out. Now is a good time for Cell phones EV's not so much....I am Not getting any of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd gen EV. Again I will wait....it only benefits me, my safety as well as my family and fellow commutesrs and my wallet.
@michaelsmithers4900
8 ай бұрын
As long as you have no regard for the Air you and your family breathe. If every adopts the me first attitude the tech wont be able to evolve. Lastly, Tesla has been refining the EV for 15years, voraciously improving tech, manufacturing and cost. You can now buy a new model Y for 35k. I’ve been driving a model 3 for four years, had one very minor issue with a puddle light that a technician fixed in my driveway for 0$ in less than 10min. Other than that I have 48k miles, on my first set of tires as I drive conservatively. No oil changes. Charges in the garage once a week. It’s as easy and cheap as it gets. There’s nothing in the size class that compares to model 3 or Y on price ICE or EV. Price parity was reached years ago and with recent cuts its way cheaper to own a model 3 than a comparable Toyota Camry.
@thetj8243
8 ай бұрын
I'm really looking into getting a small "car" like the Opel Rocks-E / Citroën Ami but with 90 km/h instead of the 45 km/h max speed it has at the moment. 🤔 or like a (used) Renault Twizy, but most aviable of these also only have 45 km/h max speed what feels like a trafic hazard on rural roads where 100 is allowed and most people at least drive 85 km/h 🤷
@Molishious
8 ай бұрын
I’m not waiting on a leap in technology, I’m waiting for a car with a NACS connector. I’m planning on keeping the car for a long time and I don’t want to fuss with an adaptor. I’m mainly interested in the Ioniq 5 and I’m expecting some nice little improvements for the 2025. On a purely financial level I can see this year as being a good year to buy an EV because a lot of people like me are waiting for NACS so I think that will continue to slow sales. Hyundai is discounting their EV’s so you basically get the tax credit.
@carlfe4891
8 ай бұрын
150mi EPA is pushing it for the lower limit. Some areas in OR have those dinky little single stall 50kw EVCS units - if it's down or occupied, that 100-150mi EVs become highly inconvenient. Elevation doesn't help much either. With a ~220mi EPA EV it feels just right in our region. Enough buffer to handle tricky situations year round. It's not even about road tripping, state and regional mobility outside of major metro areas can be difficult with the lack of widespread and well maintained infrastructure in all areas.
@transportevolved
8 ай бұрын
No. It’s not for everyday driving. US average is less than 40 miles ;)
@israndy
8 ай бұрын
Magic Dock, not Super Dock at a Supercharger
@JohnJay-yd9hr
7 ай бұрын
If it's not a Tesla then wait until the NACS adapter is known to work with the car. Especially if it's a used car.
@Skotty64081
8 ай бұрын
Another option is electric motorcycles. That's probably where I would investigate if I wanted something cheaper than a car and two wheels were sufficient. However, I'm not sure if the electric motorcycle prices are reasonable or not. Probably the most obvious company making electric motorcycles is Zero Motorcycles. Ryvid has a less expensive model that looks pretty good.
@jervin2
8 ай бұрын
I was always amused by the philosophy: "I'll stop buying computers when they stop changing so fast". Seems to apply to cars too. Buy what you need, use it until it stops meeting your needs then get a new one.
@teardowndan5364
8 ай бұрын
In general, if someone asks me whether they should replace stuff they have that still works fine or buy new, my response is that if they have to ask, they probably don't need it. At the rate everything is changing at the EV world, I wouldn't recommend rushing into it to anyone, especially people who aren't setup to charge at home and won't be any time soon, as that is practically mandatory for EVs to make economic sense.
@mangos2888
8 ай бұрын
The entire car industry changes at a glacial pace. Plenty of time to make the change, and then change your mind again!
@ianollmann9393
8 ай бұрын
If you are in the US, WAIT! 1) prices are coming down 2) NACS There really should be no question.
@jimfarmer7811
8 ай бұрын
I'm one of those people that can buy a car for cash. The reason I can pay cash is because over the years I invested my money instead of buying expensive high maintenance cars. In 2021 I was looking for a new car. At the time I could buy a Ford Maverick for half the cost of the cheapest Tesla. I ordered the Maverick. I'm glad I did. Since I bought the Maverick a typical tesla has lost 10 grand in depreciation. Because of high demand my Maverick hasn't depreciated at all. If you want to stay poor than keep buying EVs.
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
If you want to stay poor, keep giving a few hundred a month to Chevron et al.
@PeggyEscobar-v8j
8 ай бұрын
How does buying an ev in high require very little maintenance (less than a regular gas powered car) and conflict with your advice? My electric car is cheaper to charge than filling a gas powered car with gas. I drive my cars for years and hundreds of thousands of miles so depreciation means nothing to me. Depreciation only matters if you turn your cars over frequently.
@jimfarmer7811
8 ай бұрын
@@PeggyEscobar-v8j EV owners really need to get an economics education. If you hold your vehicle until it is fully depreciated you are still out the full cost of the vehicle. Therefore a less expensive car will always cost less. Another thing is opportunity cost. If you had invested the $20,000 extra you paid for electric car you would have $35,000 at the end of 10 years compounded at 6%. In my area gas cost $3 per gallon and electricity is 14 cents per KWH. At 44mpg charging at home only saves me 3 cents per mile. If I have to charge on the road it actually cost more to charge versus gas. Also the EVs tires last half as long and cost twice as much to replace. My state charges $200 more per year ro register an EV. Insurance is much higher. The EV becomes expendable once the battery warranty is up.
@PeggyEscobar-v8j
8 ай бұрын
@@jimfarmer7811 I only paid 26,000.00 for my ev. I get way more than the equivalent of 44mpg from a charge. Electricity is very cheap where I live. I have never charged at a charging station so I don’t care how much they cost. I don’t need to change the oil, belts or in anyway service an engine on my electric car, nor worry about servicing a transmission. I paid cash for my car, because I’ve kept my cars long enough to save for cash so I have no interest expenses. I really can’t believe turning a car in and buying a new vehicle that depreciates almost immediately (even if one depreciates less than another) is a better deal than not buying a car till you truly need one and paying with that car with cash. Most dealerships make more money from the financing than from the actual sale.
@davidmenasco5743
8 ай бұрын
@@jimfarmer7811 The numbers in a given case depend on several factors. Electric rate, cost of gas, how you use the vehicle - including mileage and several other factors, how much you value the driving characteristics, how good you are at shopping for tires and insurance, etc. Many EV buyers save a few thousand dollars each year on fuel, and in many of these cases, if they compare their vehicle to an ICE vehicle with the same features and capabilities, the up front price is nearly the same or just a few thousand more. These owners not only get back the difference in a couple of years. They get back the total cost of the vehicle before it's reached the end of its life. Of course this doesn't apply in every use case or every locality. But there is another opportunity cost that does. The cost entailed by continuing to burn fossil fuels impacts the opportunities of your grandchildren and great grandchildren. In very rough terms, how quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids will have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in.
@greatpix
8 ай бұрын
The problem we have with people's wanting to switch to EVs is lack of adequate infrastructure and more up to date (i.e. fast charging) infrastructure. Range anxiety should be fading as battery[tech advances. We're close to that right now with newer cars and trucks.
@stephenboyington630
8 ай бұрын
If you can put a decent charger at home, for many people 99% of trips will require zero public charging.
@PeggyEscobar-v8j
8 ай бұрын
Yes most people charge at home. My son charges his car now on a garage wall plug without a home charger and that works for him too.
@davidsmith5584
5 ай бұрын
Hertz already answered my questions.
@shanefiddle
8 ай бұрын
Ooh, interesting! Getting popcorn...😊
@centerwarren
8 ай бұрын
After eight months of ownership l have some reservations about recommending EVs right now. It’s all due to dealership service departments no bing well equipped to diagnose my EV specific problem. Something is limiting my vehicle to ~ 50kw. The onboard charger is rated 170kw. Yeah, I know it could be the weather but I haven’t seen anything above 50kw since November 2023. I have taken it to three dealers and all diagnostic tool was to connect it a 20kw charger. After three hour the vehicle except 60kw return to the customer. Really
@lorrainehinchliffe5371
8 ай бұрын
I started with a PHEV and spent a grand total of $250 in gas a year for 3 years so I moved up to a full EV .
@robertn2951
8 ай бұрын
I am waiting for NACS (Tesla plug) to be universal and sodium batteries.
@terryrigden4860
8 ай бұрын
Another interesting and thought provoking video, with a good balance
@Ernes446
7 ай бұрын
love your ebike comment . Good for most of my needs . Regret buying model 3
@mrallelectriccarlunacy
8 ай бұрын
2024 is the best time yet to go electric. Models were more limited the past 5 years. Most manufacturers had zero tax credit for their cars. If you can afford a new or slightly used car, make the switch.
@gorgeplo
8 ай бұрын
I have the first gen IONIQ still works fine except for long drive which I do once a week am waiting for NACS to be added into non tesla cars in 2025 i don't want to lose the resell value of having the wrong plug and the more we wait the more the battery price will come down saving on insurance in the meantime and I still have the car that consume the least to drive
@edwardv54
8 ай бұрын
I've not much of a choice since I have a reservation down on a 600 mile Aptera.
@LG123ABC
8 ай бұрын
You all need to check out Dave Ramsey. A car payment is NOT inevitable. You CAN pay cash for a car. Only rich people should even THINK about buying a new car. Buy used, save money. Live like no one else so you can live like no one else.
@LG123ABC
8 ай бұрын
Public transit SUCKS. Most Americans will never give up the FREEDOM of private car ownership! NO THANK YOU!
@junkerzn7312
8 ай бұрын
E-bikes are interesting, but also fairly hazardous in inclement weather. And really just in general in terms of riding in traffic because drivers don't really count them as street vehicles even when they are ridden on the streets. A better choice for someone actually commuting a short distance or doing errands would probably be the electric moped class of mobility. i.e. a scooter (but not the skateboard style scooter). There are many electric mopeds on the market now and they run the gamut. From something simple all the way up to something like a BMW CE-04. Both city-only and highway-capable (though to be honest, I wouldn't take anything short of the BMW CE-04 onto an actual highway). In anycase, electric mopeds have ranges roughly between 40 miles and 100 miles depending on the model, and speeds between 20mph and 80mph. The energy efficiency is roughly half-way between a skateboard style scooter and a full-sized 4-wheeled BEV. The main claim to fame for moped-style electric transportation is that other drivers tend to treat them as street vehicles (as long as you can go at least 30mph). Also more comfortable, more storage space, options for backwing storage, second-person-ridable, beefier tires, proper lighting and turn signals, and more weather-capable. And generally can be ridden on the street with a normal 4-wheel drivers license. No motorcycle license required. -Matt
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