What do we think about music labels? Beyond them doing the bare minimum most times ofc
@noneapplicable1327
Ай бұрын
so all they do is gatekeep and girlboss?! 😭
@fifteendozenalleyroses
Ай бұрын
They killed girl in red😔
@roboelectrooverlord6346
Ай бұрын
@@fifteendozenalleyroses I am not familiar with her what changed when she signed to Columbia? AWAL was cool before Sony bought them.
@fifteendozenalleyroses
Ай бұрын
@@roboelectrooverlord6346 after being signed to Columbia, she abandoned her core audience. She abandoned her indie sound to be just another pop artist. Her music videos went from cute home movie-style videos to a polished white background video with tons of background dancers. She stopped being unique once she got signed
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
@@fifteendozenalleyroses I need to look at what AWAL is because that's wild
@IcyIndigo
Ай бұрын
So many record labels are truly the worst. I am always happy when artists go independent and gain more creative freedom.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
In today’s world with what we know and what artists are realizing, why are we letting these robber barons still operate?!
How tf do 3 companies own like most if not all of the music world
@IcyIndigo
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas you can say that again
@markanderson7236
Ай бұрын
@@IcyIndigo You need the financial support, tho 14:09
@benbrandon3209
Ай бұрын
the tinashe pronunciation SENT me 😭😭😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Listen i have to generate comments somehow and Google’s pronunciation guide gave a me a bullet
@benbrandon3209
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas good way to look at it lmao. I love your vids sm 🫶
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Hahaha thanks, I need to go with instinct or just watch Jimmy Fallon interviews bc they get the pronunciation right
@chrisgamer1304
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas it's "tuh-ô-shā" lol
@ThePMMpc
Ай бұрын
gurl me too. :dead:
@noneapplicable1327
Ай бұрын
Taylor Swift technically being an indie artist is insane but makes all the sense in the world, I mean she spent how many years with big machine and they did her like that?!
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Bandaids don’t fix bullet holes.
@musicbydemarcus
Ай бұрын
She was over 70% percent of big machine. She put them on the map. It’s crazy how they did her. But she won in the end
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
It’s gross how they literally are running on the fumes of Swift’s master sale
@musicbydemarcus
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas they’ve been so irrelevant since the sale it’s actually laughable
@societycrumbles
Ай бұрын
@@musicbydemarcus Right! She was the reason they became so successful and they still screwed her over...
@jamesmarwick6461
Ай бұрын
Tinashe is the epitome of an independent success story, from not being able to release music and being locked away in her old label, she’s free to release as much music as she wants now, and the best music of her career at that
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I think she’s the luckiest and one of the hardest working stars today. Nasty going viral and likely giving her another career boost is a very rare thing to happen. Especially with how vindictive these orgs are.
@jdaqua
Ай бұрын
@@jamesmarwick6461 her and Raye have the same story tbh and both slaying now
@caroj_music
Ай бұрын
Honestly, the whole Taylor's Version story is such a cautionary tale.. Not only for actual decision making, but even for what to aspire to/dream about in the first place!
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Honestly, Swift opened a very uncomfortable public conversation the labels do not want to ever have
@Beaglegirl19
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas Big Machine aka Scott Borchetta took advantage of Taylor.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Shame they did
@smurfyboy92
Ай бұрын
I think one of the weirdest thing is when artist start out as teens, and they're still working under the same contract as an adult. If anything, the contract that they signed should be null in void once the artist turns 18, and should sign another contract
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I think this is why ageism exists in the industry, they purposefully sign people before their frontal cortex is formed.
@maunochromatic
Ай бұрын
I definitely agree with this video !! I think social media does play a significant role in terms of helping musical artists go independent & not need a record label.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Seeing people openly talk about being screwed over or just outright meltdown in real time is a thing SM allows. The whole mystery behind the curtain is sorta gone now.
@taylanastan
Ай бұрын
the way taylor was BMR's first signed artist and they did her like that
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
FR my tears ricochet and it’s time to go
@Sequoya
Ай бұрын
Bravo this video was so needed! This celebrates Kesha’s “Joy Ride” so perfectly. Also “Nasty” gets a lot of play here.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
So glad Nasty has radio play, it’s hard to get an indie song to spin esp so real demand is there! Joy Ride needs a few spins as well!
@noneapplicable1327
Ай бұрын
the history segment i woulda watched like a whole 10 mins about like pls do more of that
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
LMAO maybe. I have an idea about payola I wanna do
@annaphallactic
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas Yes! You could do two + hours on Alan Freed's fuckery alone.
@alexisatkinson7420
Ай бұрын
Agreed
@Fenilee
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranasthat and the union aspect. Musicians should unionize today. Whats the history of that?
@noneapplicable1327
Ай бұрын
oh dude i didn’t realize how restrictive contracts even were! fuck sony and RCA especially!
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Worst labels. Worst. RCA is a cesspit.
@annaphallactic
Ай бұрын
The record industry has been one of the most invasive, predatory parts of the entertainment industrial complex for over a century. It is absolutely disgusting once you do a deep dive into the history.
@kailiasage
Ай бұрын
There’s so much to say (but I’m a swiftie so who is surprised) but ultimately I am so glad that women in music are able to get out of these controlling situations in a way that’s beneficial for them. I am beyond happy for Tinashe and Kesha (I grew up with them and remember when both came onto the scene) and they deserve the support and success they get. I personally love that republic has so much trust in Taylor especially when she had folklore ready and didn’t even tell them until it was done. They supported the album and look where it went. Plus, so happy that Meg Thee Stallion is also able to release the music she wants to!
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Meg signing an agreement for Warner to help was probably a good compromise but yes. It’s such an issue that disproportionately affects women where most male artists either don’t have to combat as much or make noise or transform as often. Republic genuinely is smart to just Taylor do whatever. Like she’s more than earned this trust!
@ducky19991
Ай бұрын
I was really surprised when Taylor didn't go indie after her split from big machine but I'm sure going to a big label was easier
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
She sorta did in that if she ever wants to leave Republic or UMG she could run to another label. But she probably wanted to offset the costs, she could easily do it now she’s a billionaire.
@ducky19991
Ай бұрын
@EljohnMacaranas ah that makes sense. Sorry I commented while I was still starting the video, you probably say it in the video 😂
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
No prob (tbh i didn’t even know she was basically indie until i started researching who was the most successful indie artist)
@user-fx1fy1er1p
Ай бұрын
Isn't she with republic records?
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
In the sense they get to distribute the records but just that. Taylor retains all rights and can leave whenever without them owning anything (even the visuals or music videos or artwork which BMR retained when she left)
@abigailwilson_
Ай бұрын
not you teaching me more about music industry history than my communications course music industry unit LMFAO HSDKJHFGHJFGKSDA
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Wait until we hit Payola 101
@DavidBacelis
Ай бұрын
I loved this video essay! So happy kesha is independent now, she’s gone through so much and happy to see her release her first single, also joyride is SO GOOD
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you! Joyride’s amazing! Loved it! Will be glad to cover her next full length project!
@user-fx1fy1er1p
Ай бұрын
Fans must support megan new album and every indie artist
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I don’t ever see Megan coming back to the label system (esp after 1501)
@jbelzero.music.
Ай бұрын
Even tho as a horribly small musician, who knows many things about record labels, deals and all the rules, this video very helped and I learned as well many pretty new things to me. I don't think I will ever get a deal, but my blacklist of record labels and rational thinking will always be ready just in case lol. I'm not a big and a GOOD musician of course and I know that, but watching all the stunning and ultra-talented artists getting treated badly by the labels, being no promoted at all (yk who I'm talking bout: Normani, Mimi Webb, Ava Max (her new single is STUNNING and it wasn't promoted AT ALL) and many more, makes me stop believing in people. Never thought that I would ever find out that many bad things about record labels I thought were caring and good (speaking of RCA, Polydor, Epic or Atlantic). As the biggest RAYE fan, the mention in this video made me emotional and I held my M21STCB CD feeling proud of her. Extremely proud. She's recently spoken about that songwriters should be also payed for writing songs, because they are one of the most important people "in the game" and I ENDLESSLY LOVE HER FOR THAT and obviously agree with her like never with any artist. Ik it's a long comment, but if I want to write a comment about record labels & music, I always write a long one. Love your content, this video is brilliant. Wishing all the best for you
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your story! And I agree with you when I say it’s shocking how allies end up being the biggest ops. RAYE herself and her story have me hold Polydor in the highest contempt. I wish you all the best in your journey and endeavors. Artistry is rewarding in so many different ways.
@jbelzero.music.
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas LOVE YOUUU ❤️💗💗💗💗 THANKSSS
@kylereddell
Ай бұрын
love love love this mini deep dive, fascinating topic! i always appreciate your viewpoints of the music industry and pop music, you are very knowledgeable! keep up the great work.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I wanted to do this one more for myself after being clogged up with endless reviews! 💙
@chunli6197
Ай бұрын
I dosent even know who u were talking about until nasty came one😭😭😭 tina shay? 😭😭😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I always mispronounce something in these videos 😭
@chunli6197
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranaslmao it sounded like a drag queens 😭😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Ok but Tina Shay being both Tina Fey and Tinashe…
@Fenilee
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranasno. Lol
@BeckyLStoutWriter
Ай бұрын
I'm actually kind of grateful that I never desired superstar fame when it came to my music. Truth is, I wanted to make my albums for two reasons: because I love being creative, especially in the studio and with visuals (liner notes Stan here!), and because I wanted something to give people to show them what I can do as a writer. See, as crazy as it sounds, my dream is to write songs for / with bigger artists and if I earn money at that, I can make my own albums on the side. Not to top the charts with them or anything, but to just let them exist and let me live the experience of making them. So, yeah, say a prayer that I actually can finish my albums, because right now it would take a miracle. 🙏 Okay. Rant over. 😊
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I think that’s a really cool and noble way of creation. I have similar aims with screenwriting. Wishing you the best! 💙
@BeckyLStoutWriter
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas Thank you. All the best to you, too!
@caroj_music
Ай бұрын
Sounds like a great mindset🎼✨️ Enjoy your album project!! 👏
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
Petition to get Eljohn to listen to blond by Maisie peters while he’s blonde
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Adding that to today’s playlist
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas 🤭🤭🤭🤭
@arzabael
Ай бұрын
That was fandoobulously clamtacular
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you 💙
@Sacto1654
Ай бұрын
I wonder starting with her 12th audio album, Taylor Swift will release it under her own label like that the Beatles did with Apple Corps.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
She could at any time and be able to take the TVs with her (and OG masters assuming she ever does buy them)
@Jamaal.R.
Ай бұрын
This was very well put together! Kudos 🎉
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching 💙
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
A proper follow up to the Meghan video I see
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I had a lot to say I did not say in that video
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas i know, I’ve been waiting for this 🤭
@strawberrylime33
Ай бұрын
Great video essay! Definitely make more!!😊
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thanks! I have one about payola planned
@dale-luc
Ай бұрын
Love your video essays. ❤
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you 💙💙💙
@KAIMAOFFICIAL
Ай бұрын
Thankyou for this!! I am a (hopefully lol) emerging artist; I became disabled 5 years ago and had to put everything on pause but I’m going back in the studio at the end of this month! 💖
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Sorry to hear about the time off but I’m so glad you’re coming back and still producing work! 💙
@ATWTMVTVFTVSGAVRALPS
Ай бұрын
Taylor Swift made Big Machine rich and famous. Period.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
It’s karma they never truly found another star after that
@roboelectrooverlord6346
Ай бұрын
If the artist takes an advance ( aka a loan they are not independent) debt is the first trap of the record industry. That’s how they trick people into less than positive distribution deals. Thanks for pointing out how they fund the Grammy campaigns.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Debt being the root of all evil is so real, it’s like a student loan for them! And the Grammy campaigns they pull… absolutely insanity
@roboelectrooverlord6346
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas For giggles, I want Taylor to start her own distribution company.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
It honestly could happen and she’s probably have fairer exit clauses/options
@roboelectrooverlord6346
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas No doubt, it would also be easier for her to partner directly through her own distribution company.Can you add to your list of video ideas: How pop music will change if labels stop being the main drivers of the genre? Will an underground pop pipeline develop ( with its own venues and culture)?
@conallmckeown3853
Ай бұрын
I’m surprised you didn’t talk about Camila Cabello because I heard she moved record label recently
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I showed a snippet of I Luv It, she recently moved from Epic to Columbia while exercising the chance to do a licensing deal like Taylor!
@iluvcontent
Ай бұрын
Camilas album is so good. It's too bad interscope sucks, I feel also TikTok has ruined the music industry, and payola. It's not about the music anymore but how popular the artist is.
@owenmcnutt
Ай бұрын
The way the title is worded is so brain rotty😂
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
The bleach in my hair dye’s fault
@ThePMMpc
Ай бұрын
what i love about the independent thing is true art that the artist wants to put out.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Honestly, most times letting an artist do their thing does pay off
@ThePMMpc
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas tell that to record labels....
@faizansari8545
Ай бұрын
Another example is sza's sos that the album was held up for years because they weren't confident enough
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Oh TDE and her def have some beef
@seliyahsfairys
Ай бұрын
record labels are so awful. i does be so happy when the girlies independent and get creative freedom. be themselves and make music they want to without restriction from such labels.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
The fact that they have to go independent speaks to how broken it really is. I feel like after you’ve scored like 2 hit albums, you should do whatever you want you more than paid back the label!
@seliyahsfairys
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas exactly!!!
@abxjejejxjjddn
Ай бұрын
Tina Shay?
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Google pronunciation set my ass up bc I initially recorded it phonetically using Tee-nah-shee
@furrycheetah
Ай бұрын
If all the artist goes indie(independent), Like you just said,they can create their own art without any interference from the outside. But they don't need to be a billionaire or trillionaire to do so. It is enough to become a millionaire and no pressure at all.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I think most artists should consider not extending their contracts or at the very least have the option to buy back their old work
@luxxsocial4175
Ай бұрын
Tinashe's name is pronounced "Tee-Nah-Shay" like Beyonce. Also Nasty was her 5th Billboard chart entry. Thank you for sharing her story cause a lot of times ppl her leave her out of this conversation but I think her going independent and succeeding at it will be a trailblazer for other black women in R&B who are in janky label contracts!
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Thank you for the correction on pronunciation (seriously I had 3 different pronunciation guides steer me wrong). I’m so glad she’s free from her label. Honestly, she’s an example of someone who really is charting a path forward for artists.
@JustTheFacts530
Ай бұрын
The way tinashe is pronounced is completely bewildering
@AstralAustin
Ай бұрын
This whole time I had no idea Tinashe is pronounced like “Tina Shay”🙃
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
According to Google 😭 apparently it’s not 😭 so i’m a double 🤡
@Fenilee
Ай бұрын
It is not
@AstralAustin
Ай бұрын
@@Fenilee lmao i know that now😆
@AstralAustin
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas HAHAHAHAHA u trolled us all!
@damiendemaxofficial4496
Ай бұрын
Ava max needs to go independent for sure
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I feel like she needs a whole different team, I read about the Madison Love situation which is extremely unfortunate
@damiendemaxofficial4496
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas that situation pissed me off. Fans keep dragging Madison on her posts and it's cracking me up asking her "Why did you leak Diamonds and Dancefloors?" And spamming snake emojis lmao
@Tar0245
Ай бұрын
I'm really wondering why Katy Perry is sticking with Capitol(flopital) after everything they did to her. She has so much money she can definitely release under her own record and promote herself and be successful without them.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Probably she does have a good relationship with them even if Smile was a disaster. Like Interscope and Gaga have such a good relationship, they gifted her horses years ago. Actual horses. 🐴
@Tar0245
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas I'm referring more to what they did to her with Witness. There was a news story going around a few months ago about how they planned to have her flop.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Oh probably to devalue her so she couldn’t move labels and earn the same
@user-fx1fy1er1p
Ай бұрын
She has one album left in her contract
@Tar0245
Ай бұрын
@@user-fx1fy1er1p Thought it was five albums
@MB832
Ай бұрын
What do u think for the album name, Rest In Pieces
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Would serve
@mason311
Ай бұрын
Bonnie McKee video please
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I might when Katy’s album comes up!
@itsmathb
Ай бұрын
the way u pronounce tinashe 😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
every video gotta have a botched pronunciation 😭
@QueenSis13
Ай бұрын
“Tina Shea”
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
😭
@victoriaz5320
Ай бұрын
Apologies if English is not your first language Please edit the title and make sure to double check before posting! You should make the title instead “Why (and should) your favorite artist go indie?”
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
ok lol
@valleyofthedawlz
Ай бұрын
Love Tina Shay 😂
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
She’s so good 🫢
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
How do you not know how to pronounce Tinashe 😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Google set me up!
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
Why didn’t you just ask on IG, I would’ve just sent a VM 😭 (idk if im supposed to know your IG but its fun)
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Omg add me
@CatNagTaylorsVersion
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas I’ll DM you
@itsyaboilogan642
Ай бұрын
king, perhaps the grammar of the video title should be fixed 🙏
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I put the question mark in for the should part but initially omitted it 😭 (unfortunately the algorithm likes question marks)
@mattdammrich
Ай бұрын
Or this is a swiftie lenses over a whole industry
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
If not her, someone else was gonna bring it up eventually 🤷
@rmxni1
Ай бұрын
not my gurl lady gaga
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
Her relationship with Interscope is so good and unique she’d never leave. They gifted her horses!
@barbexoticzz
Ай бұрын
tinaSHEY 💜
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
💜
@Hew0778
Ай бұрын
omg say Tinashes name right haha
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I got my lashings and voice notes from the group chat for this lmao
@Hew0778
Ай бұрын
@@EljohnMacaranas Haha
@paulernst1982
Ай бұрын
Teena Shay 😭
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
🫢
@ryanxamp
Ай бұрын
omg why are you pronouncing Tinashe like that lol
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
i used google’s pronunciation and ran with it for engagement purposes (after being whacked in my gay group chat)
@runti-3236
Ай бұрын
It’s called capitalism
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
🫢
@arang_ba
Ай бұрын
TS wouldn’t survive cuz she needs a big label to manage and maintain her status.
@EljohnMacaranas
Ай бұрын
I can’t name anything Republic is really doing for her that’s above and beyond. The Eras Tour which they didn’t contribute did most of her leg work last year, they were even being slow to the draw with promoting Cruel Summer
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