One of the best discussion on this channel. Excellent knowledge
@bharathiyaantarvani6294
3 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion worth watching! Such healthy discussions are required in the society today rather than being rigid or doing vitand!
@kundansingh954
7 сағат бұрын
Much thanks for your appreciation
@tango2olo
4 ай бұрын
Really great podcast. Waiting for Kundan Sir's next one.
@kundansingh954
5 күн бұрын
A day ago, Sangam Talks has posted another one. Please look it up. Thank you for your interest.
@vishalkhanod5810
5 ай бұрын
Jai shri ram 🕉️
@Nustawert-wh1pc
4 ай бұрын
மனிதனின் ஆசைக்கு அளவு இல்லை
@ratnanadkarni3826
5 ай бұрын
Love the explanations of the 4 different hierarchies. Varna looks like it is descriptive not prescriptive. So did the kayak system e evolve as a defence mechanism over time to preserve skills? Can Jamari be translated as a professional association or guild? Like we would have an association of engineers or architects or electricians? Would love to see a panel discussion with Kundan Singh, Ami Ganatra and Kushal Mehta.
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
Shruthi Vakyam - Veda - is not descriptive it is prescription based but the prescription is like a doctor's handwriting not easy to understand. The greatness of Vedic Vakyam is it is not biased like other scriptures where there are possibilities of biased opinions. So, even though Sruthi is prescriptive - there is no mandatory punishment if not followed - it is given for our good and the betterment and ultimate Moksha. And the famous Chatur Varna, that always gets into the controversy, is part of all 4 Vedas, explained poetically in the Purusha Suktam. There is no hierarchy actually in the Varna. It is just the classification for the Samsara to flourish successfully without conflicts and at the same time in synchronisation with the natural laws.
@RuturajFunde
17 күн бұрын
Your silly theory about caste is ridiculous 😂.. But anyway people are leaving your shitty hindu religion. No one is interested in caste system now that's why they're leaving your cultish religion
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Yes true
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
That was done in the gurikul system
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Yes i agree with thid
@aparnasharma2324
5 ай бұрын
We need many series on this topic .Please tell about purush sukta.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Sure!
@thewing1226
5 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
If our rootsare strong idealism does not change
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
I agree
@keshavraman7739
5 ай бұрын
Look into Mahabharata, Shukra Niti and Upanishads, Varna is fluid and look at other Upanishads and dharmashastras where Varna is rigid.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Thank you
@tango2olo
4 ай бұрын
Tamas is indeed NOT a negative Guna. Manifestation = [Purush + Prakriti] Purush is absolute Sattva.. .. extending itself till... Prakriti THAT IS absolute Tamas..
@jaybhavani8416
5 ай бұрын
❤ Kya Darshan Shastra ( Philosophy ) history ka bada sabut sabit ho sakata hai ? 😮 Adya Shankaracharya ne Buddhist Darshan Shastra ( Philosophy ) ko kis muddho per galat sabit kiya hai ? 😮 We expect discussions on above subjects . 🙏
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Bilkul!
@bharat7917
5 ай бұрын
1:34:15 -- To clarify, Karn ke sath jo hua wo koi physical sense mein "untouchability" nahi thi, he was basically discriminated against since he came from a pratilom "Suta" family. All pratilom marriage progeny were penalized in some form to discourage such marriages in the society. Chandalon ke sath physical untouchability practice hoti hogi, purely for health reasons because of their occupation (disposing off corpses). It would be wrong to say that all pratilom progeny were by definition subjected to "untouchability". This kind of narrative presents a very distorted picture of ancient Indian society to the modern Indians and beyond India as well
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
@bharat7917! In the dharmashastra tradition, the progenies of pratiloma marriages were "asprishya." It is very clearly mentioned. In fact, even the people who engaged in a social discourse with the "asprishyas" were also turned into "asprishyas." From the dharmashastra perspective, sutas were "asprishya." But you see, traditions keep changing. We will need to look for social regulations very carefully in the Mahabharata times, and it is better not to transpose the dharamshastra tradition onto the Mahabharata tradition because there is a gap of few centuries chronologically between the two. This was the reason I was reluctant to discuss the Mahabharata from the dharamashastra perspective.
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Brahman were cursed by maa parvati that they will were poor the story is there which is long to write, here.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Please give me the reference! I will look up the story
@maheshram07
5 ай бұрын
Chaathurvarnyam mayaasrushtam guna Karma vibhaagasha.... From where the Guna comes...
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
From Shakti
@maheshram07
5 ай бұрын
@@kundansingh954 as far as I understand, Guna comes from where you were born.. if you r born in a Brahmin family, you r a Brahmin
@kevv7921
5 ай бұрын
@@maheshram07not really ,just because one is born in Brahmin family doesn't mean he will be Brahmin,
@maheshram07
5 ай бұрын
@@kevv7921 how many Brahmins we have who is born in another caste...
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
@maheshram07! Guna is what you are born with! It is the predominance of one that determines your swabhava that determines your varna! It is not necessary that you will take the predominant Guna of your parents. Every entity has all the gunas. The predominance of one determines the varna!
@tango2olo
4 ай бұрын
Gothra defies the birth-based Varna understanding. A "Brahman" may give birth to any Varna, like how the antient Saptarshi spawned all the 4 Varnas, within their own Gothra family, and now Gothra is a property common to ALL human beings, irrespective of his (& not her) Varna. AND a female, though has Gothra, DOESN'T have a Varna of her own. She rather assumes the Varna of the male she "loves".
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
In Kali Yuga Shri Adi Sankaracharya, Shri Ramanujachary, Shri Madhvacharya were born and just because of such great gyaani's our traditions where saved till date and none of them say Varna is not by birth rather all their bashyas on BG stands by the Karma theory that is determined at birth itself. Whether it hereditary can be challenging but the determination is decided on birth by those great Acharya and the intro. itself is following the more widely spread wrong narrative that it is just the karm that will determine the Varna. The funny part is, if you define karm as work then what is the difference between action and work? What is the attitude and action - which drives the action - what actions can change and what can't change from birth to death, exceptions prove the rules and just because one Vishwamitra is there not everyone can be like him, and even in that case the ithihasa and purana tells that it was actually decided at birth by rishi's blessings to their grandmother and mother. No where in Mahabharata you will hear Dronacharya being called as a shatriya and just because Krishna or Balarama or for that matter Bhishma taught their special skills to others who came to them as deserved students started to be called brahmin because they were teachers. I can't believe why this fake narrative is being propagated so widely thinking that it is Varna bedha is the reason for discrimination while it is just the nature that is not based on discrimination rather differences. Why can't people accept Karma as it is and simply accept the fact that no Varna is a constraint in the first place, and everyone's life karma determines next birth and the birth in a varna of becoming a 🌴🌲 or 🐕 🐈 🐘 or 🕊️ or 👩❤️👨 or Deva or Asura in birth is predetermined and Varna is set at birth. Discrimination is what needs to be fought not the Varna.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Could you please give me specific verses from Adi not recent Shankaracharyas that varna is hereditary? That is birth based?
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
@@kundansingh954 I can ask the same question ⁉️ can you quote the Adi Sankaracharya BG bashya where he explicitly mentioned it is based on karma and birth is not based on Karma?!
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
@@kundansingh954 i can quote but let me check if you deserve and are open to accept?! It is not advisable to quote for those who don't want to hear or change their opinions, unfortunately that is the trend nowadays 😞. Giving a hint if you can see in the middle of chapter 3.
@akshadrathi
5 ай бұрын
@@kundansingh954His bhashya on Brahma Sutras 1.3.34-39. There is one more in chapter 3.
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
@SangamTalks can ask original Sanskrit scholars not the sudo current school literate Sanskrit fellows rather who have some real basics on Guru parampara and how they say that whether Varna is determined by birth or Karma - remember Birth alone will not qualify to make a person dharmic Karma Yogi. Birth needs to be qualified with Karma to make complete follower of the Dharma. Respect is earned not dictated as in western world - where power dictates one's respect and makes it mandatory. So, actions/Karma based on, not just nature but also actions onces perform in this current life determines the results outcomes for either this janma or the next that can be anything based on the past janmas, current janma and the inclination and efforts to get liberated (Mumukshu), current janma's Varna will not change as it is integrated with the body that is already acquired by the Atma that is anyway not directly affected by any kind of body and it is just a vehicle for the Atma - that is the crux of the BG. I feel pained to see discussions on birth based Varna as discrimination - which it is not, if you don't want to accept karma theory - so be it and Varma will make no sense to such people like the Abrahamic imaginary belief systems. But the reality of nature is so hard to ignore and due to human ignorance or arrogance or biased views it is getting challenged.
@ShrinageshMuthuramalingam
5 ай бұрын
I wish this was in English.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
I tried sharing the link of the video with you but it seems that KZitem does not allow the sharing of url links. Therefore I am giving you the title of the video which will help you in the search. Here it is: "Colonial Discourse and Varna." It is available on Sangam Talks KZitem channel only. Let me know if you have been able to find the video. Similar contents are in English in this video.
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Yes truue heriditory not necesscery
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Yes, that is what is the spiritual understanding!
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Thata what shukracharya did
@tango2olo
4 ай бұрын
Sattva only -> Brahman Sattva + Rajas -> Kshatriya Sattva + Tamas -> Vaishya Rajas + Tamas -> Shoodra Tamas alone -> Animals
@RockciiBarbosa
5 ай бұрын
Keep going around and around but truth is reality is reality. You can’t hide it..
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
What about them they make their dharam to suit their convinience
@woolee9936
5 ай бұрын
Can you make a podcast in English? Otherwise most of your major uploads are not available for the majority of the world.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Please look me on this channel itself. All my talks are in English. There are two on this topic
@ArjunSharma-zk4yy
5 ай бұрын
Learn Hindi
@woolee9936
5 ай бұрын
@@ArjunSharma-zk4yy Nope, if the channel wants global audience it must be at least partially in English.
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
@woolee9936 did you find my videos on this topic in English.
@woolee9936
5 ай бұрын
@@kundansingh954 Your most interesting topics are not in English, e.g. like what is caste. That's one of the primary tools for "debunking" Hinduism - the "caste" argument.
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
No i do not believe that heriditory completelyi believe that our karmas are main bec that even dictes our graha situation at birth.
@achyuthcn2555
5 ай бұрын
If gender comes by birth, why not varna??
@mokshit7620
5 ай бұрын
So if ur father was a labourer u have to be one too? What kind of bullshit is that?
@achyuthcn2555
5 ай бұрын
@@mokshit7620,Study varna vyavastha carefully, don't make criticisms without any knowledge.
@achyuthcn2555
5 ай бұрын
@chandaan25, Pls tell me on what basis a jiva is given female body at birth??
@mokshit7620
5 ай бұрын
@@achyuthcn2555 And what is that ?
@mokshit7620
5 ай бұрын
@@achyuthcn2555 50% chance event . It's what ur father's sperm carry , either XY or XX chromosome which decides ur biological gender.
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Third gen it could change it is mentioed our shastras
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Yes, it varies from sutra to sutra and Shastra to shastra
@ratnanadkarni3826
5 ай бұрын
Miight a modern day example of someone working in a field not aligned with his inner varna be RaGa? 😜
@kundansingh954
5 ай бұрын
Yes! Absolutely and that is why he looks lost!
@First403
5 ай бұрын
Is ki debate science journey se karvao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@aparnarao7593
5 ай бұрын
Aam pub cannot understand gyan or brhma gyan
@DiatomAlgae
5 ай бұрын
By Birth and Hereditary is NOT the same thing. By birth refers to biological genetic aspect. Hereditary is social, cultural, legal, etc. There is NO Varna 'vyavastha'. Varna as referred to in Rig Veda Purusha Suktam is ONLY for Individuals, not for groups or society, etc. Each Individual has a certain Varna, ability, talent, etc., that they are born with and also that they develop later in life. In Bronze Age around 3000 BCE the Maharishis were just trying to understand all the issues they were witnessing around them, Agriculture, Manufacture, Urbanization, etc., and they proposed the Varna classification of Individuals. Jati is a social system, so it is a 'Vyavastha'. Intended to be used to manage society, groups, economy, political structure, etc.
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
In one way it is correct - birth and hereditary are NOT the same. Where is your assumption that Varna is not hereditary? It is the easiest practical way to follow the traditional space. If a person can claim anything as Varma anytime - as it is happening nowadays as a trend - just because one cannot accept the reality one is facing - no one can change this father and mother - irrespective of what they feel or like. The question is what's the problem with Varna - people are assuming that it is discrimination - a carpenter will just do that alone - the reality is - it is not something bad just that people have started to judge based on jobs one do, like how politics is nowadays considered as a dirty peoples field, even though we have candidates like Modi who is a really good example of a good great service minded administrator.
@DiatomAlgae
5 ай бұрын
@@AnandRajappan Chatur Varna is first mentioned in Purusha Suktam of Rig Veda. This suktam, or any other suktam, of RV does not give any details of Varna being related to society or being hereditary. ALL subsequent texts only give the opinion of the respective authors at various points in time and not the opinion of the composers of RV. RV was composed in the Bronze Age, perhaps between 3500 to 2000 BCE, and is based on the Saraswathi Sabhyata. There is no other record of the society at that point in time, no record of hereditary Varna. All ancient literature show Varna change based on actual life / action. It is clear that Jati started much later, say 500 BCE, and became hereditary, say after 1 C and endogamy started at this time. When you refer to Carpenter you are talking about Jati NOT Varna, there is no Carpenter Varna, so you are confusing Jati with Varna. There are ONLY 4 Varnas, but in 1871 in the first modern Census over 2700 Jatis & Upa Jatis were listed. These Jatis cannot be, and should not be, fitted into the 4 Varnas.
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
@@DiatomAlgae i am not sure how you assumed Varna mentioned in RV as individual and not society related?! Because in the same Purusha Suktam many other things are mentioned?! Is it individual or society related?! Just tell that first. Why are you bringing jathi? I never said Varna and Jathi can be used interchangeably, as you are assuming. Both are independent words giving different meanings. It is not directly related but indirectly related like a person's "head" is Varna and "hands" are Jathi, they both mean different things. Is Jathi determined by birth or profession? I am least concerned about the Jathi definition. The debate is on Varna alone and you can have your own opinions but RV is not based on biased opinions. I can have an opinion that sun is burning fire while moon is a white gel ;) but it doesn't matter to anyone sensible. Similarly, what did the interpretation given in various Granthams of RV matters. If you can quote from them to establish your POV then it will have substance otherwise it is like shooting in Air, you are free to have whatever you imagine, i can't stop people's hallucination, that too from the comments section.
@DiatomAlgae
5 ай бұрын
@@AnandRajappan Sanatana Dharma is ONLY about Individuals and nature never about society. Rig Veda to Bhagavat Gita only deal with individuals. Arthashasthra, Manu Smriti, etc., deal with politics, economics, law, etc., but they are NOT part of Sanatana Dharma or Hindu 'Religion' India never had a Religion. Dharma is NOT religion. All laws in India were made by civil government, never based on divine messages. One of the 10 Commandments is 'Thou shall not steal' Quran says Rich should not charge Interest on loans. There is nothing like this in India / Hinduism. Brahminical / Puranic Hinduism is perhaps the result of negative influence of other 'religions' on India. You mentioned Carpenter in a discussion about Varna. Carpenter is a Jati NOT a Varna.
@AnandRajappan
5 ай бұрын
@@DiatomAlgae Sanathan Dharma is emphasizing on individual behaviour, that doesn't mean that the entity for which dharma is defined is at individual level. You are confusing the application level and definition level, dharma is never defined individually, it is applicable at each individual level but defined at a group, family, community, society levels. When Veda or BG says karma yoga is for the group of individuals who follow karma, similarly if brahmachari dharma is defined it is for that category of family members who are studying - all groups will have individuals.
@rajdeeppatel9151
5 ай бұрын
Sabko pta hai ki Ram by birth Kshtriya the. Everyone knows Shabri/Shambuk by birth shudra the. Karm se varna tay hota to aaj bhi Sonaar/Bada vyapari/Kirana wala/Pujari koi upper caste nahi hota. Inko bhi pta hai ki Majdoori/naali saaf koi Malhotra/Sharma/Gupta/Rajput/Thakur nahi kar rha hai. 2024 me bhi.
@HiddenHistoryofBharat
5 ай бұрын
Sabko ye bhi pata hai ki Valmiki Janm se Shudra the aur baad me apne karm ki vjh se Brahman bne. sabko ye bhi pta hai ki Vishwamitra janam se Kshatriya the aur baad me apne Karm se Brahman Bane..Sabko ye bhi pta h ki Chandrgupt Maurya janam se Shudra the aur baad me Karm se Kshatriya Bane..
@rajdeeppatel9151
5 ай бұрын
@@HiddenHistoryofBharat Fir aajkal kya ho gya? Sharma ka beta sharma aur Ahirwar ka beta Ahirwar kyu likhta hai. Har birth ke sath Jaati/dharm option me kyu nahi hai bhai? Tu tere baap ka Dharm/jaati hi le kar ghum rha he ki 12th ke baad kisi ne option diya?
@First403
5 ай бұрын
Sahi kha Bhai ye dhoort log hai makkari inke khoon me hai.. isiliye hmesha jaativaad ko bachaate hai Janam ,karam ka naam le k..lekin koyi iske saamne baitha do obc ka Banda saara iska gyaan ki batti bna dega😂😂😂😂😂 dono ganjo ka😂😂😂
@SeekerSeeker
3 ай бұрын
Haryana main last 6 months main 3 honor killings hua hy Intercaste marriage pe. Unha jaake ya sab samjhaiye shab.
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