The TOS Connie had two major constraints on the shuttle bay that no longer seem to apply anymore. The first is that the shuttles were smaller. The second is that they weren't supposed to be common. Transporters were supposed to be used for 99% of all operations. So, you would have a shuttle, and a backup. You wouldn't have shuttles leaving the hanger at all hours. The new reliance on shuttles is something to give the pilot a reason to go on an away mission. I also miss the side observational windows (another reason the shuttle bay in TOS is smaller).
@Wynstorm3
Жыл бұрын
My theory is that the Gallifreyans have taught the humans in this Star Trek universe the secrets of dimensional physics. And that is why everything looks so much bigger on the inside than on the outside. The Enterprise is now the TARDIS of Star Trek.
@DoctorMysterio15
Жыл бұрын
So true 😂😂😂
@kevinbryant7533
Жыл бұрын
Does it seem like the snw enterprise is based more on the refit enterprise than the tos enterprise. To me it looks like a more primitive refit.
@nimrodd000
Жыл бұрын
It's been my "headcanon", for lack of a better word, that whenever the Enterprise is orbiting a planet there are shuttlecraft coming and going nonstop. The big E has great sensors, but if they're limited to line of sight, or can only scan for one or two things at a time, it would make sense that there would be multiple shuttles performing multiple survey missions around whatever planet they're orbiting; that's why Enterprise-D has that huge main shuttlebay that we never see.
@subraxas
Жыл бұрын
All the way to 70,000 subs!!! 🙂
@FTFXclan
Жыл бұрын
The straight pylons in TOS attach further back on the secondary hull restricting shuttle bay Length, that would explain why the refit Enterprise and snw enterprise have a larger shuttle bay.
@CMstacker
Жыл бұрын
Sure, but also a snw enterprise is straight up 150 m longer because they previously had to scale up to discovery with those ludicrous nacelles 🥲
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
Well said! Exactly what I tried to explain in my post. The strut connection point makes a big difference in space aft of them for a larger hangar bay size... in The Motion Picture it also was HUGE, and it was clear where the struts attached, and the horizontal part of the warp core went down the spine from those struts to the vertical part of the core, this can be seen in engineering, including the curvature in the upper part of the hull, in TMP as well as Wrath of Khan. When they actually carefully designed models to match interior sets, and vice versa.
@mysticvirgo9318
Жыл бұрын
I would be concerned that those exposed nacelle plasma conduits could be damaged in a shuittlebay accident.. Nice that they did remember to include those conduits, however. :) moving the forward wall aft about 20 meters ( just ahead of the conduits, would have made a better sense of scale for me.
@paulskeet9001
Жыл бұрын
Just a thought (I haven't seen the episode), but could the force field distort the view (like the Cyclops eye on a watch)
@ValosiTiamata
Жыл бұрын
It's entirely possible the bay isn't as deep as it appears and the force field is causing a visual distortion since it's acting as a curved lens. It's also possible the ceiling lights aren't on because of the time of day and/or the force field is making things seem darker than they are. Sci-fi shows often seem to forget that bending light like you would with a force field can and do cause all sorts of visual anomalies. It's literally how visual cloaking fields work (as opposed to sensory cloaks). As for the amount of shuttle activity, Pike was a test pilot in his younger years, so I could imagine him giving permission for the Enterprise's pilots to take shuttles out when the ship is in (peaceful) stationary orbit so they can log actual flight hours instead of simulation hours. Even if the ships aren't landing on the planet, they could be practicing various manoeuvers in and around the atmosphere so the pilots are always ready for when an actual rescue or emergency operation occurs. Again, it's something that would occur in real life that sci-fi shows often overlook.
@jessharvey2574
Жыл бұрын
having it dark makes sense - you don't want shuttle pilots blinded just as they're trying to land by the adjustment from the darkness of space to a well lit interior
@TheBigExclusive
Жыл бұрын
The scale of the SNW's Enterprise doesn't make sense and constantly changes depending on the plot.
@Tuning3434
Жыл бұрын
USS Defiant... in media it can be 50 to up to 200m in size. Although that show was made in a completely different era where VFX and shot composition was more of a hazzle.
@OllamhDrab
Жыл бұрын
(Not sure the timing worked out but werent they transferring grain off and then back? (Also I think SNW may be just plain doing a good job of making some things about TOS models and stuff make more sense while backing off from the agressive Disco restyles. May involve a fairly subtle upscale, as opposed to Abrams like doubling of the size of everything at least.) You don't have to inflate a linear measurement of something much to make a lot of volume to fit things that 'should' be there in. )
@SnowmanTF2
Жыл бұрын
It is plausibly that lighting is only for landing, where references being on the deck make the most sense
@MrPiousFlint
Жыл бұрын
When will they learn that the Enterprise is not a TARDIS, or is it? 😄
@bcluett1697
Жыл бұрын
I miss the need to flood the deck with atmosphere and drain it before launching like the airlocks. Adds to the coldness of space. All the energy fields are too convenient. It's fine for TNG and up butt one of the things I loved about this era was everyone had to be vigilant on issues of safety because of the consequences of a missed step.
@glitterboy2098
8 ай бұрын
the TOS connie had side room areas along the walls, and elevated walkway areas above those. which took up a lot of space in the hanger. which to me suggests that the ship had a refit that added workshops and small cargo areas to the sides. (and perhaps reducing the length too) (ignoring of course the general scale issue with the SNW ships vs the TOS ships. the shuttle and connie got upscaled about the same amount so we can ignore that bit)
@frankhaugen
Жыл бұрын
I'm actually not this confused that when the enterprise is in a safe place, it's having an active flight deck, because all starfleet officers needs to be qualified to fly a shuttle, and a bunch of the NCOs, warrants and the crew who needs more than basic qualified status, needs to have regular hours in cockpit just like aircraft carrier aviators. But they could have lampshaded it by a captains log, "out flight crew is performing qualification exercises while we look at this not-a-stargate-gate". I'm actually a bit confused about your reaction to this being strange. But the lights are on the dim end, I agree
@subraxas
Жыл бұрын
9:37 - No, they actually tried to make the hangar deck on the 'Remaster' more realistic by scaling it down. As Sam quickly corrected, the bottom-right shot is from the original 'Original Series'.
@nemisis3006
Жыл бұрын
TOS Didn't have a force shield to keep the hanger bay from decompressing.
@monkeyon777
Жыл бұрын
Does it have 3 miles of launch tubes underneath?
@stuartdavis4711
Жыл бұрын
The reason the two shuttle bays are so dramatically different is actually given in the episode, this Enterprise NCC 1701 is the same starship that both Captain Later Admiral Robert April & Christopher Pike commanded , which only has a crew of 200, thus the technology in particular the WarpDrive is much bigger, and the ship itself is longer, hence why the shuttle bay is bigger the Classic one of James T Kirk’s Enterprise 1701.
@90lancaster
Жыл бұрын
It took me a bit over a couple of weeks to re-watch the main episode videos of this channel (not counting V -logs and livestreams) which I've done 3 times now.
@drawnhere
Жыл бұрын
The writer's bible for TOS said that the hangar bay was the size of an American football field, 120 yards by 54.3 yards.
@Allegheny500
Жыл бұрын
Total length of the TOS Connie is stated as 947 feet, and 417 feet wide, there is no way the hanger deck could be 360 feet long and 163 feet wide.
@AaronTheHumanist
Жыл бұрын
Lighting - to go from a well lit shuttlebay to the black of space would render your visual sight void. You can fly on instruments, but less cinematic experience. You would see nothing but reflective glare. So it makes sense that when the bay doors are open, lighting is vastly reduced. Entering from space clearly not so much a concern although it might be too dazzling?
@toddwalker4301
Жыл бұрын
Well, the original was much more interesting with the elevated navigation stations on the sides and back of the bay. As I watch the show, I notice more things on the bridge that are directly from TOS, and that makes me happy.
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
Enterprise shuttle bay a snack bar with Canada hotdogs 🌭 with cookies 🍪
@bertholdbach4959
Жыл бұрын
The area in front of the forcefield looks like a pavement in eastern europe.
@Jack_Stafford
Жыл бұрын
Good call... The entire hull looks like it's plated in crumbling concrete slabs.
@Ispintechno2
Жыл бұрын
Discovery made the Connie much larger
@TMulvale
Жыл бұрын
What I want to know is where do they store all those drones !?
@ReelMeurik
Жыл бұрын
My assumption is that SNW re-retconned that aspect after DSC, after realizing how dumb it was that the Enterprise would have hundreds of tiny "fighter drones" at their disposal. Since SNW has shown no such drones.
@Adam_Boots
Жыл бұрын
That was a one off. The drones are not standard and Una had to specifically get them transfered to the Enterprise.
@tbnone2501
Жыл бұрын
Lol, most of the secondary hull is shuttle bay apparently 😂
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
Yes, and storage and engineering, as shown in The Motion Picture. When they actually made the interior scales match the exterior models.
@entropy11
Жыл бұрын
I don't mind the 441 meters revised length of the Enterprise, but tell me how you fit in this cavernous shuttlebay AND the cavernous main engineering AND the Turbolift Dimension in the same ship.
@Carlos0619ASmith
Жыл бұрын
Once again...a all different size Enterprise, an alt.
@davidhughmiller
Жыл бұрын
That’s true. Same with the Kelvin Universe.
@subraxas
Жыл бұрын
12:36 - 💛🧡❤❣ It looks lovely, . . . . BUT!!! .... would the Connie still be 289 metres long, as per this particular cross-section?
@richardkohlhof
10 ай бұрын
Oh one more thing I think the ceiling is so tall in the shuttle Bay Area because it could be that way to accommodate other ships or other things from outer space they want to study and bring a board Maybe?
@Allegheny500
Жыл бұрын
This Enterprise is defiantly roomier than the TOS one. Given what we saw of the cargo bay most of the engineering hull seems to be empty space. As I recall the TOS Connies only carried four shuttles max and were used for side missions outside of transporter range being equipped with small warp nacelles rated somewhere around warp 2.
@tysonas1
Жыл бұрын
The back two shuttles appear from my perspective as being located under the observation/control deck and the nacelles seeming to be located at the back of the hangar is just a perspective view optical illusion. I wondering if those things along the sides are for drone repair pods. Remember if you compare this to the main cargo hold from season 1, the hangar is the same size. Therefore just behind the hangar and hold is engineering.
@SteveODonnell
Жыл бұрын
This size of the bay and lighting details arent really an issue i just watch and enjoy. Also the ship cant be huge as they confirm 200 crew members. Also things are done for cinematic effect rayher than what makes sense. 😊
@richardkohlhof
10 ай бұрын
Is the shuttle Bay maybe dark because Space is really really dark generally except for a few points here and there and it would be like driving into a brightly lit garage from Pure Darkness maybe that's why I don't know- my best guess I'm thinking aircraft carriers aren't well lit at night except for aircraft?
@msbae
Жыл бұрын
The shuttles are probably being used to do a detailed survey of the system while the _Enterprise_ is investigating the portal.
@brasidas33
9 ай бұрын
A lot of wasted space, especially vertically - guessing the producers wanted it to look big for dramatic effect.
@JohanMsWorld
Жыл бұрын
Talking shuttles - Why are they so extreamly wide in SNW? They can easily have a person lying down inbetween the two front crew. J.
@comentedonakeyboard
Жыл бұрын
Well, since humon eyes need aproximately 30 min to adopt to darkness, the darkness could be explained as a way to prepare the pilots to the darkness in space🤔
@Tzphardi
Жыл бұрын
Shuttle cavern more like, though I love the scale personally, wishing TOS had similar scale to it.
@neondemon5137
Жыл бұрын
They misconfigured the ambient occlusion for the shuttle bay so it appears too dark. 😂
@weirdkitty07
Жыл бұрын
That room shouldn't go that far back. Engineering should butt up against the back of that because the warp core and the struts are right there. The intermix chamber cannot be under the impulse deck. It has to be in the secondary hull right behind the shuttlebay, or fore of the bay. Is it right under the bay?
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
The horizontal part of the warp core runs right under the curved "ceiling" of the secondary hull like a spine, down to the struts, then up into the nacelles. This can be seen in main engineering in TMP and Wrath of Khan.
@christenorio9555
Жыл бұрын
What of there is warp plasma taps to prelaunch shuttle craft was started with the warp plasma saturation of impulse nacelles with everything
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
They lunching shuttle craft delivery Canada hotdogs 🌭
@porko882
Жыл бұрын
Even though its a continuity error I think everything about the new Enterprise is better looking than the original.
@richardkohlhof
10 ай бұрын
And remember how massive the shuttle Bay and storage and everything are and almost mixed with engineering and the motion picture when Kirk arrives remember how huge and cavernous it is back there and that's just the upper area I just watched it I was shocked lol
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
Yes, it is most of the back half of the secondary hull, as shown in TMP, and we see how much room the warp core and its attachments to the nacelles take up, with the horizontal part running right along the curved "roof" of the secondary hull, then branching off and up into the struts tot he nacelles. All very logical, realistic, and consistent. You'd think with the help of computers and easy CGI graphics, things would have gotten even better and more logical, rather than random and non-sensical.
@BajaTym
Жыл бұрын
I’d sure hate to be a crew member on the actual deck… that floor lighting would be blinding!! These designers really need to get out into the real world, at least so they’ll know how things currently work.
@EricFeldmann
6 ай бұрын
when i played the rpg i stored all of my spare shuttles in the transporter buffer.
@Jack_Stafford
Жыл бұрын
The connection point of the struts on the refit are far forward, almost to the same point where the neck joins which put them well ahead and out of the way of the cavernous shuttlebay shown in the motion picture. It is the strut attachment points in TOS that are further back and presented an issue placing the warp engine conduits going down the spine and up the struts as depicted in the motion picture. In strange new worlds this isn't taken into account at all, despite the swept struts. We can see inside the hangar bay that they simply are tacked onto the outside of the hull with no engine components connecting meeting in a "Y" and going forward up the length of the ship to the warp core as was so carefully designed for the motion picture.
@Ispintechno2
Жыл бұрын
Hemmer died jumping off the back of one in season 1. It was big
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
Shuttle craft are bring in hotdogs 🌭 with cookies
@uc1992
Жыл бұрын
The shuttles could be going some where else in the solar system for a mission or study that's completely unrelated to what's going on below. I'm sure a ship that size, with so many different types of scientists and fields of study can and does do more than one thing at a time. The 95 percent of crew that aren't with that mission wouldn't be sitting around doing nothing.
@markpardoe7002
11 ай бұрын
Its , a little too dark , but i do love those new design shuttlecraft.
@chrisbutlerart
Жыл бұрын
Hey whats the music used in the ending montage? That's great!
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
The tos enterprise has three or four shuttle crafts if remember guys
@alternative915
Жыл бұрын
and about 150+ little flyer thingy when fighting against control.
@simonbeech6073
Жыл бұрын
“You are clear to land; park it like you stole it…”
@trekkey12
Жыл бұрын
it could be that big for other types of ships to land in there that are of larger size..
@coolhand889
Жыл бұрын
snw enterprise need all the space for the hundreds of drone fighters that came out of it at the season 2 final of discovery
@Alan1701b
Жыл бұрын
Are the 1701 Refit (from TMP) and 1701-A's shuttlebays the most realistic depictions of small craft operations and storage in the entire Star Trek franchise?
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
YES! Definitely.
@matthewbriggs8997
Жыл бұрын
What episode does the shuttle bay appear in SNW? Or is this a concept art you are looking at and speculating?
@b.s.864
Жыл бұрын
season 2 episode 7 "Those Old Scientists"
@CaptRobertApril
Жыл бұрын
A note on the FJ drawing: That was pretty much a straight reworking on the diagram in "The Making of Star Trek", which appears to a of a forced perspective design, i.e., is the design of the miniature set, not of a full scale hangar deck. Drexler's version is closer to the mark.
@ZeroB4NG
Жыл бұрын
look at this shuttlebay... and then play the clip from the STD Season 2 finale where 200 shuttles and drones came out of there.... how can you even take this show serious anymore?
@todabrilla
Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the set awards submission from Season 1 that were released? It really helped me get a better idea of many of the sets, including the ridiculously large engine room (which was oriented the opposite direction from what I had guessed).
@hettbeans
Жыл бұрын
The big "thing" in the background of the engineering set is the inside of the deflector dish, right?
@chrisbutlerart
Жыл бұрын
I don't hate the SNW Enterprise...but I'm constantly baffled by the scale. It doesn't seem like anybody thought it through. Most of the rooms we see is the size of ballrooms...sickbay, everybody's quarters, engineering looks to be the size of a football stadium. Making everything so massive kind of defuses some of the drama of being on board a starship. There's something to be said for the drama of being inside a finite vessel in space...a more submarine ambience would give the show a much needed feeling of environmental drama.
@Melkur1981
Жыл бұрын
Some of those Jefferies tubes go nowhere, too. They appear to ascend diagonally from the rim of the saucer section.
@Jack_Stafford
9 ай бұрын
Agreed... how very far Trek has fallen with its design logic since Enterprise, when they understood how valuable space is in Space, which will always be true. No need for huge unused floorspace, it simply doesn't make sense. Even in the Motion Picture, the one large room, the Rec Deck, served multiple purposes, and in other shows, the hangar deck was used for large gatherings. Because there simply will NEVER be huge, empty, cavernous spaces inside ships with roller coaster turbolifts angling everywhere.
@dan79600
Жыл бұрын
It does makes sense for them to launch shuttles on a regular basis. NATO pilots have to complete a minimum of 180 flight hours per year and Starfleet would have a similar requirement for shuttle pilots in order to maintain training and safety standards.
@danielyoumans8199
Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem I have with the shuttle bay is the force field. The ToS enterprise had to decompress the bay when launching shuttles.
@ReelMeurik
Жыл бұрын
I have no problem at all with that "retcon". The idea that you decompress the entire shuttlebay every time you launch or receive a shuttle, is pretty dumb when every ship that came after had a forcefield in place when the bay door was open. Besides the decompression/recompression, you have to evacuate any crewmember inside the bay for every launch, and then the time it takes to repressurize the bay. During an emergency where every second counts, this is time you don't have.
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
Where is the Barral cade
@mysticvirgo9318
Жыл бұрын
Teh TOS Connie is much smaller than the SNW connie soo... there is that .. larger ship larger bay to keep proportions
@johngrubb1590
Жыл бұрын
For me it's just way too big and it's too dark.
@weirdkitty07
Жыл бұрын
Why did they stagger the suttles diagonally in the bay and light it like it's a closet? That makes no sense.
@D0cJekyll
Жыл бұрын
It looks to me like the upper deck ends just aft of the nacelle struts. Given how the TMP era Enterprise is, I think this works. Scale is more realistic than JJ verse.
@weirdkitty07
Жыл бұрын
Dock in berth 47 from TNG. Ha. You could have docked there.
@Aphfaneire
Жыл бұрын
Considering the scale of the engineering digital wall space the engineering hull is massive, as is the lower cargo bay that Hemmer jumps out of. The shuttle bat sort of fits that scale, but the hanger control room appears to end just about at the line of the struts. They certainly are mucking about with scale. We know it all gets remodeled later, enough for the Babel corridor to the side. But still a big space.
@richardkohlhof
9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry guys but this shuttle Bay looks tiny compared to the motion picture shuttle Bay so I'm not quite understanding the discrepancy there's just a wall separating engineering and the shuttle Bay here, in the motion picture it seems like it's all together and then in JJ Abrams it's like a mix in a brewery
@ozziemederos
Жыл бұрын
There was the gal leo in the columbia shuttle crafts and one shuttle
@DeadHeadAnimation
Жыл бұрын
After reading about the original production design for the TOS Connie, I actually have a lot more respect for SNW. If they had the budget I think they would have built something much closer to what we see in SNW, especially the bridge. They originally wanted the bridge to be larger and more rounded, but building the octagonal TOS bridge was easier to film and move the parts around from shot to shot. Obviously snw is a visual reboot, and everything is too big to strictly be cannon, but I honestly love the new look.
@treguard1982
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I think you guys are being overly nice to what is essentially "Not Star Trek" Bless you, but don't be afraid to call them out on the sh*t show they're producing
@christenorio9555
Жыл бұрын
Navy personnel is the massive shuttle bay lift to massive hold and aircraft carrier amount of shuttles?
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