You know some crazy stuff goes down in this Sim world when Grim Reaper is CLEARLY the most normal, stable, functional member of society out of all of them haha.
@AutumnSwift2
5 жыл бұрын
All the Grim Reaper really does is takes people when they die. And with his game, when Jim kills someone.
@beahgg
4 жыл бұрын
he got cheated on ...
@el5010
2 жыл бұрын
I love
@el5010
2 жыл бұрын
Bc y
@notadudeperson
6 жыл бұрын
Oh Kevin, don't you get it? Grim was in the bathroom looking at Jim's portrait because he misses Jim so much! Now, why he was in the bathroom and not another room with a portrait? Because it reminds him of BeeJay (the toilet was his best friend). His beloved family has broken and what does Jim do? Cheating on him right outside his sanctuary!Now he's coping with trolling the forums and reading obituaries since he's just a senior manager now and doesn't claim souls.He's a broken man. For shame, Kevin. For shame....
@You-nd5qs
6 жыл бұрын
Actually the grim he's married to is a different grim to the one who steals souls and drinks orphan tears he's that distant cousin nobody talks about
@connersuxx
5 жыл бұрын
ShrimpRamen Like Jim, but in real life, and not so murderess.
@claytonharbaugh308
5 жыл бұрын
“It takes an evil man to break someone before their death; it takes a man who is pure evil to break death itself.” -Me, 2019
@nathen4171
5 жыл бұрын
Conner Live Action Jim
@kellykirtley8612
5 жыл бұрын
Stop that now
@laurenmclachlan
6 жыл бұрын
Jim does have a career, we just don't speak of it
@Infinitydev-lh2bo
6 жыл бұрын
Not that we can’t speak of it....just that nobody lives long to tell about it.
@pepsiipep7842
6 жыл бұрын
Well he owns a graveyard
@brioche8123
6 жыл бұрын
Pepsi Ipep the graveyard is just a convenient front for his real business...the business of... *MURDER*
@pepsiipep7842
6 жыл бұрын
I'd say murder is more like his hobby
@laurenmclachlan
6 жыл бұрын
Hoovesisartistic "I invented careers"
@mariam19554
6 жыл бұрын
That's just your _wacky_ Jim! *laugh track* *jim kills someone again*
@RonnieBondayy
6 жыл бұрын
More like Rore Bagnarok
@dracyan3552
6 жыл бұрын
Do you Know what Mod Kevin's Using? Cause Book Of Chaos isn't Updated to cat's and dog's.
@artyismybae
6 жыл бұрын
Dracyan+ This is the Book of Chaos mod, if that's what you were asking for. modthesims.info/d/586477
@harold4thofhisname.499
6 жыл бұрын
pls be in california
@dracyan3552
6 жыл бұрын
artyismybae thanks
@deannalea6335
6 жыл бұрын
12:54 “this guy lives by himself” cuz you set his bloody husband on fire in the vets 😂
@gracehaven5459
5 жыл бұрын
I for one like how they have matching names XD I changed my own to Brandon and Brendon though 🤣
@jokeaccount1683
5 жыл бұрын
@@seibetsu the fuck?
@ray-ray5163
5 жыл бұрын
@@seibetsu ok seibetsu
@willis1383
5 жыл бұрын
@@seibetsu that's the pan flag, fifth grader
@seibetsu
5 жыл бұрын
I MEAN FLAGS
@grassyfield5209
6 жыл бұрын
I have a tip, if you get the cloning machine in the science career, you can clone potions of youth.
@samm_the_boxx5032
6 жыл бұрын
Woogull can you clone people? :D
@MaurauderGirl
6 жыл бұрын
Samm_The_Boxx [] can he clone Jules?
@NurseInTraining
4 жыл бұрын
Thats actually quite brilliant. Im definitely going to try that the next time I play this game! 👏👏👏👏👏
@dreamerofthorns
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! I was counting different methods of immortality and knew there were one or two missing!
@LeCobra992
8 ай бұрын
Can you do the same in bb mode? Haven't tried it, just curious
@millieharrison5445
6 жыл бұрын
I got lost and clicked on this video. I am extremely concerened, subscribed.
@heckyeahgamers1900
6 жыл бұрын
Millie Harrison Don't worry, it'll become less concerning in time
@Metzli
6 жыл бұрын
Welcome, enjoy your stay x)
@nads4002
6 жыл бұрын
Welcome to paradise, friend.
@DfRaid
6 жыл бұрын
Welcome to hell
@glove2734
6 жыл бұрын
R u n
@theuserofthissite
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, now that I've gained this powerful evil vampire magic, I can finally... LOCK SOMEONE'S BATHROOM!!! They won't be able to peeeeeee!
@licegrrrl
6 жыл бұрын
no name I just love your pfp, just a giant "no"
@Ma_Zhongying
6 жыл бұрын
Mine is Leon Trotsky, because I'm Leon Trotsky.
@dmas7749
5 жыл бұрын
i hope that when i become a vampire my aspirations can be so grand
@teddy-beargamer6385
3 жыл бұрын
1. Lock bathroom. 2. Everyone soils themselves. 3. Go out of your way to embarrass them. 4. Everyone dies of embarrassment. 5. ??? 6. Profit!
@filippanorberg3819
6 жыл бұрын
yeah that Hecking guy lives alone cause Jim killed his husband
@albusdumbledore7733
6 жыл бұрын
Filippa Norberg thats so sad tho
@filippanorberg3819
6 жыл бұрын
Albus Dumbledore but you know it's true
@lucylucyinred
6 жыл бұрын
Goddamnit i was wondering what happened to him
@jennym4882
6 жыл бұрын
is this a surprise to anyone tho
@hologrampizza5432
6 жыл бұрын
Don’t swear!
@josuebartley7272
6 жыл бұрын
The new Adams Family is looking good
@nocchi.9589
5 жыл бұрын
"I'm just gonna feed them 'cause I'm a *nice* guy." "Oh wait I can just steal it YES."
@jamesdeeley6797
6 жыл бұрын
Can we even call that thing a cat anymore?
@andreware2039
6 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@mudsludge
6 жыл бұрын
when kevin says it is a cat, it _is_ a cat
@kristin6937
6 жыл бұрын
Don’t you talk about pumpkin like that
@fodel3758
5 жыл бұрын
That poor tortured soul is so far from 'cat'.
@lmao9291
5 жыл бұрын
“That thing” is more of a cat than every cat that lived in this world
@happydisappointment1994
6 жыл бұрын
19min?!! me likey
@CaioFranson
6 жыл бұрын
Woooooow
@happydisappointment1994
6 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha shut the fuck up (jk)
@happydisappointment1994
6 жыл бұрын
Black Screen um yeah it was 4 years ago.. i should delete it haha
@THE-WHISPER-PROJECT
5 жыл бұрын
anissa what u saying me NOT understand
@homestuck_official
6 жыл бұрын
I love how the dungeons don't even have tassels in them anymore so that you can exploit their painting skills...now they're just there for the sake of evil
@4tniteborger936
6 жыл бұрын
Found your channels last night and watched all of the Sims 4 series and wondered when the next one would come out
@LIZZYRAE
6 жыл бұрын
Jet Andrade welcome to the cult
@timmythepom7267
6 жыл бұрын
Jet Andrade *We welcome you to the cult..*
@happybeast355
6 жыл бұрын
Jet Andrade i
@someguyonthenet8550
6 жыл бұрын
YournameKevi back at it again
@SleyperK
6 жыл бұрын
By the point he dressed up as a bear, i realised that Jim has completely lost his mind.
@m.ccheddarbox874
6 жыл бұрын
Has Jim lost his mind?? Or the person controlling him??.... Yea you're right its Jim.
@jennym4882
6 жыл бұрын
*that* is where you draw the line, really?
@SleyperK
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, at least he was somewhat connected to the world before. NOW HE'S LOST
@PieroMinayaRojas
6 жыл бұрын
Or maybe Kevin has lost his mind.
@jacz1210
6 жыл бұрын
YOU JUST REALISED THAT NOW?
@Hexmonkey
6 жыл бұрын
You should do a hour long sims special
@TheWhiteHeadphones
6 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!
@hunterhall3115
6 жыл бұрын
Yess
@Veroxzes
6 жыл бұрын
Kevin would be editing it all day! Just these probably take atleast 1 hour. DO IT KEVIN! I love this Sims series!
@realbabyeater
6 жыл бұрын
A video like this takes 3+ hrs atleast lol. Quality content :)
@robertwatts7894
6 жыл бұрын
If it wouldn't kill him to do it he should i could watch him play it all day
@PhilTruthborne
6 жыл бұрын
You should just try to refill the city with as many of Jim's kids that you possibly could
@LIZZYRAE
6 жыл бұрын
Sir Phil we’re taking it back to the old school
@comedymask5340
6 жыл бұрын
Ghengis Khan this world.
@wowatrashywhitegirl7989
6 жыл бұрын
Sir Phil he needs to woohoo with everyone so eventually they all die of.
@PauperoftheFishies
6 жыл бұрын
just like Urp
@c1nnamorollin
5 жыл бұрын
Wow a trashy white girl die of what?
@TheAntiSanta
6 жыл бұрын
Sims 4: Let's Get Together, a.k.a. The Sims Cult Creator
@comedymask5340
6 жыл бұрын
The Fantastic Paul Nobody uses it to create groups. Only cults.
@NurseInTraining
4 жыл бұрын
@@comedymask5340 Very true
@orukarm
4 жыл бұрын
I used it to create a Vampiric Dio sex cult where Dio makes vampires and impregnates the whole world. I even made the cult have layers where Dio is in charge of an inner circle group and all the members of that group have their own Dio Cult chapter
@wiggity-wack
6 жыл бұрын
I really do love the way the lore of Jim Pickens is expanding!
@nuclearchezburgr3857
6 жыл бұрын
Wiggity Wack Trying to explain Jim Pickens to my friends is so difficult... They are too simpleminded to understand the in-depth lore behind Jim
@fodel3758
5 жыл бұрын
My boyfriend has never played the Sims. I have willingly thrown thousands of hours into this game over the years, and I refuse to even attempt explaining Jim Pickens to him and why I'm watching this. He'll never understand.
@Ellie-km3pm
6 жыл бұрын
New favorite quote: anyway, I'm a creepy bear and I'm going to drink your plasma because you said "hecking"
@IEnoro
6 жыл бұрын
Jim Pickens is a brand by now... I'd buy merch! Like if you agree to get this to Kevin ^^
@l30njam3s
6 жыл бұрын
Enoro I second that 👍
@Missvip3r
6 жыл бұрын
I agree!x
@Denver0054
6 жыл бұрын
I need a portrait of Jim to replace my bathroom mirror.
@nads4002
6 жыл бұрын
YES
@punkizm
6 жыл бұрын
I need a plain white shirt with just that portrait of Jim on it
@goomg885
6 жыл бұрын
Jim has to be the best anime character ever
@Joshua-jv8mr
5 жыл бұрын
Shut up E-GIRL kevins the best anime character 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🅱️🖕🏻🖕🏻👌👌👌👄👄
@madelynmullins6464
6 жыл бұрын
Kevin’s laugh is my favorite thing, it immediately makes me laugh too, I love Kevin
@cas_1139
3 жыл бұрын
I’m just now catching up on the chronicles of Jim Pickens. And I’m not disappointed not surprised on how fuckin insane it’s gotten
@brettdueck824
6 жыл бұрын
That guy in the store that was floating around couldn't have been a vampire. Vampires don't float around or have black smoke by there feet. Grim Reapers do.
@lolnothxyt
6 жыл бұрын
Brett Dueck The grim reaper in S4 can just be casually at a store as a human with no mods??
@violette2139
6 жыл бұрын
Naomi it could always be a glitch. The grim reaper Kevin has in his house isn’t supposed to be able to move in, but it has.
@lolnothxyt
6 жыл бұрын
CrystalKatt 54 I see, thanks
@user-qq4tj8gm8b
6 жыл бұрын
_OH H E C K_
@aidenthomas6052
6 жыл бұрын
How does he set people on fire with vampire powers is it a mod ?
@sarawawa8984
6 жыл бұрын
“I just wanted them as prisoners, just as a hobby! And now they’re my food! Funny how life works out like that”
@katiannaa.2476
6 жыл бұрын
9:21 Kevin: Man they like to think about trains when trapped in rooms don’t they Me: ...it’s just their train of thought 😏😏
@oddsock3254
6 жыл бұрын
Bring the cult with all the pictures back.
@betaCarrotYT
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Kevin's family thinks when they hear this through his walls...
@betaCarrotYT
6 жыл бұрын
He has a girlfriend does he not?
@ladanodion2826
6 жыл бұрын
TacticalNuclearMuffin really?!
@betaCarrotYT
6 жыл бұрын
Alas, I think he his taken. His master chef cooking tutorials have suggested he does.
@ladanodion2826
6 жыл бұрын
TacticalNuclearMuffin whoever they are, they are lucky
@betaCarrotYT
6 жыл бұрын
Most definitely.
@SomeoneYouDontKnowOfficial
6 жыл бұрын
Lies! How else are the slaves supposed to live forever? Also then you don't need to pay for food just send down a victim!
@TheCrimson147
6 жыл бұрын
11:53 aww Heckings but only one of them is alive. RIP Brent.
@naluzoniro
2 жыл бұрын
I love that Jim Pickens now has the ability to come into any house uninvited, when waltzing in Urp's apartment uninvited was his introduction into the whole series Things have come full circle somehow and it's beautiful
@poppymansfieldjones253
6 жыл бұрын
VAMPIRES ARE NEVER A BAD IDEA
@Obihoernchen75
6 жыл бұрын
so... you must never have seen twilight then.
@baz5042
6 жыл бұрын
Twilight...
@N0rlight
6 жыл бұрын
We don't talk this...
@teaartist6455
6 жыл бұрын
Unless they sparkle...
@jennythurman8533
6 жыл бұрын
"just so expensive to buy them" *laughs in pirate*
@tsundor1
6 жыл бұрын
Jenny Thurman found my kinda person
@sarawawa8984
6 жыл бұрын
When he was like “oh wait I bet this made you better on the organ!” And then he cuts to Jim playing the organ terribly I actually laughed (not just an extra long nose exhale)
@HaythamsHat
6 жыл бұрын
I legit sat and waited for your video
@Ryan1993uk
6 жыл бұрын
these always make me laugh so much
@joyce20067
Жыл бұрын
pumpkin was adorable man kevin should bring her back with the ambrosia treat
@SomeoneFromGenZ
10 ай бұрын
7:49 Bro is enjoying that way to much 💀
@MagEllaNniC
6 жыл бұрын
This probably had been mentioned a bunch of times before but did anyone notice that Kevin's nemesis of this sims series, Dennis Racket, was the same nemesis of Kevin's very first sims series
@nuclearchezburgr3857
6 жыл бұрын
Bailey Saunders Yeah, he remade the Racket family in an earlier episode to continue the legacy
@MagEllaNniC
6 жыл бұрын
Nuclearchezburgr 385 ohhh I had no idea that he made them, makes sense now. Thank you.
@alexasaikal2756
6 жыл бұрын
2:58 WOAH foreshadowing the mole people 😂❤️
@tenebra4183
6 жыл бұрын
"Well done, honey bun!" just made me so happy that's amazing
@loveisaburningthing
Ай бұрын
kevin: "jim wears his goth clothes to bed at night, he's too insecure to wear them outside" also kevin: "here's jim's swimwear, he swims in a fully-functional darth vader suit and a scythe"
@luke5249
6 жыл бұрын
I love what this series has become
@OnionTheBat
2 жыл бұрын
"They have the right amount of content for like one or two episodes" Kevin shining a light on the fact you're pretty much done with Sims DLC content in an hour or two.
@geraldhopkins3269
6 жыл бұрын
Tbf we don't really mind if you get the expansions it's just great watching the life of Jim Pickens.
@lololbbubu8736
6 жыл бұрын
4:08 when he says BING Jim goes from energized to uncomfortable
@RenanGF94
6 жыл бұрын
I watch this as a tv show. And I WANT MORE
@JohnDoe-on6ru
6 жыл бұрын
PUMPKIN! I remember how hard I laughed when you said "I'm going to add a racing stripe to him". Give Pumpkin his own episode!
@fodel3758
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree! Pumpkin episode!
@Nicky-ff6pi
6 жыл бұрын
i just freakiing love this series it actually makes me laugh out loud alone in my room.
@tehhypergamer963
Жыл бұрын
What's Jim's favorite alcoholic drink? Red Rum.
@samjackson1895
6 жыл бұрын
Lol, Jim is the worst husband to poor Grim!
@robertwatts7894
6 жыл бұрын
Sam Jackson actually fucking forgot they got married! 😂 😂
@LeeDee5
6 жыл бұрын
which is really sad because Grim is the kindest and nicest character in this entire let's play
@samjackson1895
6 жыл бұрын
Dee Ca. I totally agree! Grim is the best! I think Jim needs to make it up to him with a sexy date to the cemetery. Maybe a coffin woohoo after?
@cameronkasicki197
6 жыл бұрын
I started uncontrollably laughing at grim in the bathroom omg 😂
@pastorpidgeon5980
4 жыл бұрын
Jim killed 1 sim this part, bringing his total kill count to 44. Dear Leader be praised!!
@eliseblair5228
6 жыл бұрын
“I have an emergency..” damn Jim. Were you that bad 😂?!
@deebee69
6 жыл бұрын
"And yet here I am." Inspirational Kevin Catchphrase.
@Hexmonkey
6 жыл бұрын
This house is so nice
@aaronsound
6 жыл бұрын
Meybe Jim Should make a pizzeria where he would serve only water and would have statues of dead people in front of Pizzeria (You need Dine Out ''expansion'' for that.so you can make your own menu)
@darianmartinez6174
2 жыл бұрын
After seeing a war start on tick tock and watching people flea the same war on Snapchat for some reason call me Kevin's the only thing that can get me excited anymore thanks for the laughs and smiles
@msmiz2762
6 жыл бұрын
“Well done hunny bun” was my favorite part
@aspen1713
6 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 400k !! :D Can't wait for more shenanigans
@amberbeam4248
6 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but.........STILL A BETTER LOVE STORY THAN TWILIGHT
@ramonzwiep1184
6 жыл бұрын
Amber Beam You would be perfect for the basement.
@nikballs979
6 жыл бұрын
Xd
@JusticeforLiberty
6 жыл бұрын
Ugh .....
@zillah1157
6 жыл бұрын
Sorry but.......... STILL TRUE
@alexc8992
6 жыл бұрын
Ramon Zwiep No, hed be the distraction sim for when Jim wants to steal stuff
@Ryan-xd3uz
6 жыл бұрын
*several thousand pounds of tomato soup*
@Mskittenlover12
6 жыл бұрын
9:40 my sims have lived for several generations in that house. It's always a bit trippy to see it on a playthrough. It's become such a large part of my gameplay 😂
@StarJelly64
2 жыл бұрын
I had to double check when I saw the date to believe my eyes and this was uploaded on my birthday. Thanks Past Kevin for my past self's birthday gift lol
@amandapalme9060
6 жыл бұрын
"I'll feed him because I'm a good person, OH WAIT I CAN SWIPE IT? Yeah I'll do that!"
@brolyrules14
6 жыл бұрын
Keep up the longer episodes! Really enjoyed it
@waldo2543
4 жыл бұрын
"I don't think you got the memo on whats happening here" I just let out the most maniacle laugh in a very long time, I don't get how watching this guy play sims can both make me feel better AND worse about myself simultaneously, I should probably begin with the question why am I watching a random guy play the sims
@thesaviorofsouls5210
6 жыл бұрын
I love how your mood changes so fucking fast lmao “ow poor pumpkin, you don’t know what is going on” 2 seconds later* “can i eat pumpkin”
@TheSkyGamez
6 жыл бұрын
make a special door for the cat in the basement so the prisoners can take care of the cat
@vaclavsoukup7302
5 жыл бұрын
I think they would more likely try to kill it WITH FIRE ! ( Nothing against Pumpkin, but that would be my first reaction )
@noahwattel4226
6 жыл бұрын
0:47 Congrats you just increased the chance of trashing the rocket drastically.
@Denver0054
6 жыл бұрын
Anybody else notice the portrait of BeeJay in the dining room?
@thompsonator4696
6 жыл бұрын
What time was it?
@Veroxzes
6 жыл бұрын
He hung it up when building the house, on the previous episode, silly Billy. Dammit, your name is Mauro...
@angreif
6 жыл бұрын
What the heck is a BeeJay? You're crazy.
@Denver0054
6 жыл бұрын
18:48
@thethompsta8934
6 жыл бұрын
+angreif You obviously haven't been watching Call Me Kevin for very long
@AS-1724
4 жыл бұрын
God real life problems, when you’re trying to woohoo and the animals won’t leave the room. I feel ya Jim🤣🤣🤣
@bobdolesrevenge
6 жыл бұрын
Pumpkin has a 6.3 K/D ratio on Meow-nterstrike.
@YuBeace
2 жыл бұрын
"It's time for *your* hibernation." Now that's one hell of a quote.
@emilagadul
6 жыл бұрын
Jo Kev, we want see Jim face! Btw longer episodes are T H I C C
@HomelessCat-x
6 жыл бұрын
Emilia Gie do you mean a face reveal? hes done many videos with his face. fake ass bandwagon "fans"
@louisemaxwell8852
6 жыл бұрын
Yamaha Life No.. Emilia literally meant that he wants to see Jim’s face, because Kevin covered him up in a panda suit.
@emilagadul
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you Louise!
@heyvsauceyanhere
2 жыл бұрын
i wish kevin kept playing on this save and visited the places he lived before like this mansion
@moolian3920
6 жыл бұрын
I wish all the videos were this long
@rissyrodriguez
6 жыл бұрын
@11:19 Jim is wearing Noctis’ outfit. In his vampire hissing thing. 😂 LOL
@2boots4u02
6 жыл бұрын
*rolls eyes* Jim is a sooo extra
@emmaward174
Жыл бұрын
"Lock door for everyone but Jim" usage tracker: 0 this episode, 4 total
@fazswiken9007
3 жыл бұрын
am i the only one who sits here laughing to the most random shit ever while eating a subway i think my life is complete
@benjaminressler7745
2 жыл бұрын
A movie based on these videos would be an insane horror movie. Like the talented mr ripley mixed with saw and house of 1000 corpses must be done with irish cast for reasons.
@bisexualsmoothtalker1270
6 жыл бұрын
Oh Kevin... When you tell a furry not to do something... They will... Haven’t you’ve heard of Zabivaka...
@maybechair2774
2 жыл бұрын
I tried to reply to 3 years old comment \:
@Amarenamann
Жыл бұрын
Everyone knows that vampires love garlic, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. And the reason why vampires run away from you when you hold a garlic is because they're tempted by it too much and want to stay polite.
@Amarenamann
Жыл бұрын
Yes. (•‿•)
@dominicaccardo8050
5 жыл бұрын
Jules was in the esports branch of tech guru, not like Kevin will ever read this
@Fox_Force5
4 жыл бұрын
This is such a good series. I’ve been binge watching all day. Best sims play thus far
@adamk203
2 жыл бұрын
"We got people in the walls now." Jim trying to relive his past with all the mole people in the walls.
@dorkyface
6 жыл бұрын
This is the best Sitcom I've ever watched. The Pickin's family is always up to wacky shenanigans! *Laugh Track* ... *Jim burns someone alive. Again. Cue Seinfeld theme!*
@betaCarrotYT
6 жыл бұрын
Can I steal this? *clicks on child mannequinn*
@cademancaden
6 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Thanks for playing Sims the way it was meant to be.
@jewelsthecat5331
4 жыл бұрын
IKEA employees when people enter their stores: 14:38
@totallynotsam910
4 жыл бұрын
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@MaiaMirabell
6 жыл бұрын
Kevin, I reeeaaaally enjoy your Sims4videos, PLEASE make more! I just KNOW you enjoy playing it, I can tell. Thanks!
@elisabethots7074
6 жыл бұрын
please do sims 2 part 2
@THExRISER
6 жыл бұрын
Either I'm really sleepy or visiting Jim Pickens' early videos is just way too hilarious.
@aprilhead6657
4 жыл бұрын
i remember this was the first video i watched of kevin’s it was very confusing
@blogblock
6 жыл бұрын
This series just keeps getting better and better
@Fox_961
5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Brant Hecking(sorry for swearing) was a customer, murder victim, and employee at Jim's vet clinc in that order
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