i know that black sheep are like 120b+ in actuality it just made the thumbnail ugly
@jakewest4832
Ай бұрын
derpy rock should be 120b fr, not biased in any way also bingo stream when
@raskawell915
Ай бұрын
Black sheep is 120b?????? I need to get on my friends acc he has a bunch I think
@hears__
Ай бұрын
Celeste OST :)
@RealFroggers
Ай бұрын
@@raskawell915 share
@HuTayo
Ай бұрын
DO NOT LET SWAVY FIND THIS VIDEO HE WILL SEND A HITMAN
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
ong XD
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
i don't think he would care he would maybe disagree (mostly due to him having so much invested in them) but otherwise it wouldn't cause any drama. Drama over opinions of a block game is stupid anyway.
@HuTayo
Ай бұрын
@@pvz_games clueless
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
@@HuTayo ong bro is high or smthin
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
@@HuTayo btw why did u stop uploading I watched you since 022
@JonHop1
Ай бұрын
Its because so many players are endgame now, with literally nothing to do other than buy up collectibles with their money...
@Keegan-T
Ай бұрын
it's sad to see 90% of fire sales being used as investment vehicles instead of actual cosmetics, but it makes hypixel rich so nothing is going to change
@clay-dz5eg
Ай бұрын
yo keeganz wheres my cut ln skin edit
@DemiTF2
Ай бұрын
If something has value skyblock players will ALWAYS find a way to make money from it
@nycoo2499
Ай бұрын
imo their is nothing wrong with it alot of people use them as cosmetics and others use them as investments. it does suck for people who want them for cosmetic reasons but thats not the players fault tbf.
@luisfrank1587
Ай бұрын
Skins are interesting to invest. The only Problem i have with them is: it is never worth selling them since they keep rise in price. I want a divan drill but am i going to sell a few g drag or edrag skins? Nope... Overall i made about 2b + but since im not going to sell any i mad -600m
@Boise-ge7ph
Ай бұрын
using skins as a cool cosmetic vs using skins to gain a trillion networth
@ReshirexOnYT
Ай бұрын
tbf the fact they're worth a bunch makes them a cooler cosmetic/ flex so idm
@JonHop1
Ай бұрын
@@ReshirexOnYT Rare skins have always been a flex tho... The reason they are booming in price is that end game players are hoarding them because they have nothing else to do or spend their money on.. I mean if you are a level 450, who has every OP set and weapon in the game, what else is there to do other than invest in collectibles?
@ReshirexOnYT
Ай бұрын
@@JonHop1 still more price is cooler to me idc
@ROSCOE16000
Ай бұрын
I've noticed a general trend of Skyblock focusing way more on economy than it used to. There are so many players who play skyblock only to make money, which has a negative impact on those who actually like playing the game. Nowadays it's not uncommon to see a level 25 in chat advertising "lowballing 2.2b purse". People can play how they want but I personally think its kind of lame.
@henryranft9224
Ай бұрын
Its fun to make money tho
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
So you’re mad at people enjoying the game? Selfishness in a nutshell
@ROSCOE16000
Ай бұрын
@@TurboDoesStuff D tier bait at best
@RemittalADOFAI
Ай бұрын
i think the admins should release the old skins because it would be funny
@TheDarkKillerGR
Ай бұрын
omg that would piss off many people and i love it 🤣
@Lunkie
Ай бұрын
wouldn't that then be illegal since they then would've lied about the stock and since it costs irl money, not sure tho
@TheDarkKillerGR
Ай бұрын
@@Lunkie why whould it be illegal lol, theres no law against that
@yellopenguin999
Ай бұрын
@@Lunkie Even if they said they would never come back it'd still be legal, as you buy GEMS with money, not skins.
@Huge_M
Ай бұрын
Skins are basically new stonk of stonks.
@gabedragon3383
Ай бұрын
The skin economy has broken. Billions must sell.
@tallkids-spencerhuyck179
Ай бұрын
It’s unintended how limited or super rare cosmetics are used. Because if an item is too rare for a block game it just becomes a stock market product. This is mainly why I stand by the opinion of “if something requires more than 6 months of RNG it shouldn’t exist even in skyblock”
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
It is a cosmetic item who cares.
@tallkids-spencerhuyck179
Ай бұрын
@@TurboDoesStuff yeah it’s a cosmetic item. Not a stock market product. Derailious has some pretty good points about how making it this limited just encourages people to hold on to it for a long time and sell it for billions instead of using it to make your gear look cooler so it’s pretty obvious that people care
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
@@tallkids-spencerhuyck179 let people do what they want to do. If you want to use it get the coins yourself and buy one. If you can’t that’s your problem. Don’t beg the admins to fuck people over so you can make your pet sheep (which you probably have visibility off for) look a bit different.
@tallkids-spencerhuyck179
Ай бұрын
@@TurboDoesStuff endgame players get nerfed in favor of the majority. That’s just reality. It’s not bad for hypixel to cater to 90% or higher of the playerbase
@unknownT17
Ай бұрын
My face when i want to buy a Divans helmet skin (gemstone skin) but it costs as much as a base hyperion 💀
@Versexterkobold
Ай бұрын
Its like 200m no?
@speev9550
Ай бұрын
Wait it isn’t 100m anymore?
@Versexterkobold
Ай бұрын
@@speev9550 I cant check rn, but last time I was checking the price It was 200m I believe
@speev9550
Ай бұрын
@@Versexterkobold it’s 500m rn for unapplied
@unknownT17
Ай бұрын
@@Versexterkobold no, it's +800m
@davidlamas9236
Ай бұрын
As an investor myself (invested 8b then quit to play ironman) i have seen this firsthand. Most of my skins have doubled in the last few months, and some are up 5-6x. Additionally, something that is even more slept on are the season skin sales, because nobody bought them because they were available for three months at a time. For example, I won 29 ice skates runes that i paid 12-13m each for. They are now worth 140m per, peaked at around 200m a few days ago.
@marksimcic1693
Ай бұрын
Same i bought items and started playing ironman (in my opinion ironman is bether becouze economy doesemt effect you)😑
@rixgames69
Ай бұрын
@@marksimcic1693 sadly the economy does have an effect on ironman in some parts of the game, most noticible is with booster cookie prices, but also with auctions that are also available for ironman players, like stock of stonks, dark auction and shen's auction.
@MommyRaina
Ай бұрын
Yeah I spent tens of billions on skins right before I got a 1 yr ban (on purpose to take a forced break) and within a few months they all went crazy lol, still banned though :)
@jakewest4832
Ай бұрын
I think a perspective people are overlooking is: Skins technically don't add coins to the economy, rather shift the coins within it already around. (when a skin is purchased, someone gains and someone loses money, resulting in a net 0 coin gain for the overall economy) This pretty much makes the value of skins only worth the amount someone is willing to pay for it. So, if you fix the actual problem of new coins entering the economy without old ones leaving, then skins will naturally even out in price because of the increased difficulty of obtaining new coins.
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
That is not really how prices work on a fully economic level. By that logic, every item would just completely even out if deflation started, when that's just.. untrue.
@xSparky5
Ай бұрын
skins would still inflate because they run off the greater fool theory. even if coin production stopped people would increase the value of their skins by trading them for other skins at higher valuations where no coins are exchanged. you are correct that no coins are created or destroyed in the skin economy though. the same way the market cap for crypto is 2-3 trillion yet the liquidity and dollars entered into the system are only in the billions.
@RealFroggers
Ай бұрын
Question, but first let me say, skins, yes are out of control, but is there ever a factor where we consider, the amount of wealth in game is so high that we can safely say the value of money has decreased? I believe something similar happened when either a huge update/dupe happened and everything in the game tripled in price. But let's say for example 5 years ago, 1-10m was probably a decent amount of money for a player, who just started for a week. Now that decent money is 100m+ I'm not saying this justifies skins going way up or nothing should be done, just asking if the value of money has gone down again.@@Derailious
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
@@RealFroggers Value of money in skyblock is always generally decreasing due to sheer money creation, however, 120b+ for the rarest skins is completely absurd and outpacing the money growth
@Schnidi2000
Ай бұрын
What if skins are reintroduced and players start panic selling them all making them lose their value. This wouldn't get rid of the coins in the economy which would now be invested into other items. I fear that because of this, players might start collecting or gatekeeping items with an actual use. I don't care if my helmet isn't a fancy color to me or others. If collectors started going for unobtainable museum items, booster cookies or necrion's handles, they could actively gatekeep a part of progression. This IMO would be much more detrimental to the game than overinflated skins. Having said that, I too believe that skins as they are now, aren't very healthy for the game either but solving this issue is hard. Implementing something that aims to fix the problem with skins, without thinking about all potential consequences and their likelihood is a bad idea.
@ZraM_tv
Ай бұрын
People nowadays rather pay 300Mil for a item with no stats than paying 150Mil for a talisman that will make them 0.001% better (Omg 😯)
@dcincco
Ай бұрын
To be fair, most of those people a: don’t care as much about the other aspects of the game or b: are endgame (or c: are KZitemrs)
@kurxxing
Ай бұрын
@@dcincco most people who have that type of money to spend in skins most likely mostly maxed out if not completely maxed out their tali bag
@shasdows
Ай бұрын
I love... Economy...
@shaharporat507
Ай бұрын
And economy loves... you...
@shasdows
Ай бұрын
@@shaharporat507 Thank you... i will have Gret Prosperity...
@zachnhso
Ай бұрын
the skin economy, or as my girlfriend just referred to it as, the “skinonomy”
@austinsmith4716
Ай бұрын
Sounds like a potential name for a horror movie Perfect
@Versexterkobold
Ай бұрын
My solution to the problem is making skins soulbound and make them be purchaseable for bits forever. Like not just for the amount of the fire sale. I hate how it is niw and I like that dyes got reworked and made more prabable to obtain. Love the vids
@ZebraGaming37
Ай бұрын
i think there should be an item in the bits shop that can transform into any skin but becomes soul bound for the people who actually want the cosmetic, not an investment
@Sly2BandOfThievesIsTheBestSly
Ай бұрын
...
@sahwod
Ай бұрын
That would be a lose lose for almost everyone, hypixel wouldnt make any money off fire sales and investors' items would be rendered worthless because whoever wants a rare cosmetic could just use bits for it
@ChaticIsTired
Ай бұрын
The biggest problem is that a large if not majority of the playerbase has caught onto the idea of investing which increases the amount of coins being spent and each skin getting more and more competition this is why prices are going sky high because its has basically become mainstream. The other large problem at hand at this point is that it has become the #1 money making method in the entire game by a long shot which has effectively made every other grind in the game pointless, why spend 40 hours mining when you can work a 5 hour long shift at mcdonalds spend $100 and make 2 billion coins that will most likely grow to 10 billion in 3 months.
@JonHop1
Ай бұрын
Nah, the reason this is happening is very simple. There has not been a major content update in a long time, and more and more players have reached end game(I mean these days every crimson and Tunnels lobby has a level 450 in it now)... What has caused this isnt people learning more about investments, its that end game players have nothing to spend their money on anymore. So these super wealthy players are hoarding cosmetics and rare items, and this is what is causing all the skins and cosmetics to rise in price.
@ChaticIsTired
Ай бұрын
@@JonHop1 yes the endgame community has been unloading trillions of coins into the skins economy since the beginning of fire sales and is only increasing that amount however, multiple KZitemrs and people who have less than 25bil are also now participating in buying these hundred million useless items. If you look at hyauctions and look at stuff like Warden dye, portal dye, etc it's not all just lv400 with 50b nw anymore. It's clear that skin investing has gone mainstream.
@JonHop1
Ай бұрын
@@ChaticIsTired They are doing it now, because like I said, they have nothing else to do... There has not been a major content update in a LONG time. And so many more players have reached end game and have nothing to do. I mean, you know its bad when you go to Gold Mine, and there are 12 level 420+ players all afk there for 10 hours straight waiting for 1 Mythic or Divine Rabbit... again, they have nothing better to do and spend their $$ on.
@ChaticIsTired
Ай бұрын
@@JonHop1 I mean I don't know what you are trying to prove here. Im just saying that near the middle of summer to now, the method of investing into skins became mainstream, see nitroze, endther, cbo videos. Yes endgame players who have maxed out everything are spending more on skins and there are more endgame players. But midgame players and late game players who are not maxed out at all are also investing into skins now
@unit0023
Ай бұрын
1:26 i would imagine fire sale cosmetics, like cookies, have stronger anti dupe protections although i could be wrong
@soapcrush8577
Ай бұрын
Each one is a different item hence why they arent stackable and if another 5679th of a skin is made it would get instawiped
@unit0023
Ай бұрын
@@soapcrush8577 without special protections you could still apply it to a pet/ditto it/potentially place it, the first two of which should obliterate the uuid. my point is that cookies have a system such that you can’t eat the same cookie twice, so there might be a system so you can’t apply the same skin twice
@ahsald
Ай бұрын
@@unit0023you actually can apply the same skin twice or even more. You can test it on alpha if you want to see yourself but I’ve tested it on the main network with duped skins before and I know multiple people that duped skins and applied. There’s never been protection against applying duped skins
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
@@soapcrush8577that’s wrong lol when grand searing runes came out I remember dik9 had 3 stacks of them stacked in his enderchest
@itscorin4886
Ай бұрын
The skyblock skin economy situation is crazy
@johnnnwickkk9969
Ай бұрын
Another great reason to live another day as an Ironman player 🗿
@aurilify12
Ай бұрын
"Buying a skin today effectively guarantees you money tomorrow" -Derailious
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
I mean so far… this is true. Pretty much any old skin in the game has greatly increased in market price
@crxnge_179
Ай бұрын
I want to clear up 2 things the real reason some skins are 40 50 120b isnt because someone is willing to pay 120b in liquid coins there is probably 5 people with that ability, its because someone who owns one is selling for Irl money and the current offer is 3000 USD which correlates to like 100-120b in game based on other irl exchange rates so people assume thats how much its worth if someone were to sell ingame. Additionally, if they ever were to reintroduce skins and kill the 2020/2021 fire sale skins I know a couple people including me who would just pump like 10 trillion into the bazaar and auction and affectively destory any chances other players have of paying for anything at a reasonable price.
@kal._.iuchka9748
Ай бұрын
In my opinion the best solution for this is introducing all skins for unlimited period of time and probably make them soulbound but there’s two issues because of which it will never happen: 1. Its not a big profit for admins 2. A lot of players would leave the game after this change which is not good for admins as well (honestly I don’t think that rich players who hold a ton of expensive skins are wasting their real money on them)
@sammyxt2451
Ай бұрын
I was actually thinking about skyblock potentially releasing old fire sales again a couple days ago and thought that if skybloxk re released older skins in a very limited quantity it could be a not too bad idea. Although there would be so much backlash from the collector and investor communities
@sammyxt2451
Ай бұрын
Maybe only 100-2000 of them depending on how old the original skin actually is
@ExpertWeeb1
Ай бұрын
I honestly have a fair share in skins as well 😭(around 8-10b) And the perspective in rereleasing skins is a bit silly imo, Not only is it a cosmetic to show and enjoy its also a collectors item, its something people can collect when they were there. The prices going up is mainly imo just more people having money - therefore more people are willing to buy stuff that doesnt do anything because it looks cool. Skins as a whole are really nice for the economy and it makes sense to make them limited. I did have this one idea pop into my head, kinda like the ditto head you can imitate a skin or cosmetic, would be cool but the admins will and have maintained a Laissez-faire mindset when it comes to most of this games economy, there are some examples that have impacted specific parts, like the meta shift in inferno minions, causing more supply, which lowers the price. Which from an economic standpoint seems rather hands on but when you shift the focus to the actual gameplay standpoint then its understood that a change like that had to be made. I think cosmetics are cool but this leaves out to the FOMO aspect of the game, people are more concerned with making money as quick as they can, which is input into their mind as "Skin cool - skin just out - buy skin now - profit" which is what you see now in tens of thousands of sales in the first 1 hour of a new cosmetic coming out. I think a lot of it just comes to the human mind. If i see something i like i would naturally want it, even if it serves no purpose. But I have to accept sometimes that because i wasnt there, i couldnt have the best deal/ chance to get it, and that i can live without it(pink sheep my beloved 😭).
@Pyethon
Ай бұрын
I invested like 3b in skins which went up to 23b, noone should be able to get that rich by buying an item and waiting. i get prices go up, but it going up 800% in **8 MONTHS** is NOT FAIR. They really need to change how it works
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
What skins were they?
@torresthemonster
Ай бұрын
You LITERALLY contributed to the rise of the skins… because ppl like you invested their coins into skins, the price only went up.
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
How is that unfair? Anybody can invest if they make the coins. Invest intelligently and you’ll make money like other people. Like any part of an economy based game if you got in early you make the most. If u grinded dungeons first u made the most, same with kuudra, slayers, mining, etc. that doesn’t mean that now you can’t make money off those, you just will make less. Same with skins. Anybody can do it
@torresthemonster
Ай бұрын
@@TurboDoesStuff The point is that because skins are limited quantity, the demand of the skins will go up leading to an increase in price. The things you mention, kuudra or dungeons, those are not LIMITED, eventually the prices will come down. However with skins, there is no risks involved. That's why Derail is saying to bring back OG skins so that supply can increase, and prices of the skin will come down.
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
@@torresthemonster who cares if the price is high hello?? It’s a cosmetic item lmfao. All that would do is screw over the end game playerbase more than the admins already love doing along with new early mid and late game investors. They’d lose trust in fire sales as an investment resulting in less purchases through the auction house which would inevitably result in less people buying fire sales to sell/invest in. Hypixel would lose money in the long run.
@James-d5x
Ай бұрын
Arguing on the matter of NOT reintroducing skins: -To start, Hypixel makes a lot from fire sales. Fire sale items tend to have a really high demand, even for pretty mid skins or for pretty mid items, just because long term they will go up, so the fire sale can sell out so Hypixel makes more. If there is a lack of trust in fire sales if say they did re release some skins, they wouldn’t sell out, resulting in less profit for the server, so probably less updates or whatever. -secondly, the skins are designed to have a limited quantity. They aren’t supposed to be accessible by everyone, since well they should be limited to richer players so they stand out more. If everyone has one then it sort of ruins the element of the cosmetic. -For certain skins, such as a sheep, there have been multiple fire sales on different sheep skins (i.e the og ones, the neon sheeps, the crush sheeps and the wooly sheeps). Now this is a good system imo, since you are getting more potential cosmetics for the pet, whilst keeping the exclusivity of the original one, so there’s sort of a ladder for the exclusivity of the cosmetics for the sheep. -Players should either be able to wait for a new fire sale for a skin for the pet they desire or just pay a good amount for an older skin. -in your stream earlier you mentioned rereleasing 10k black sheeps. Why is this a bad idea? Well, that would quite literally crash the demand for all the other less aesthetic sheep skins, because black is arguably one of the nicer ones, so people opt for the nicer cosmetic and since theres no actual stability or trust in the price of the other skins they will drop to 0 -A large part of the games community is around collecting cosmetics and skins, and paying high prices. It’s not a thing for everyone but making every skin virtually worthless, that entire sector of the community would likely just quit -I also see you argue people tend to spend gems and then hold them for years to invest. I would prefer to say this is not really true since you can buy them on ah for a reasonable price as soon as they release, giving everyone an equal chance to get in on the investment regardless! I personally have never spent money on gems but have still bought skins and profited off them. The whole paying gems for skins was introduced to discourage irl trading which was encouraging ratting and macroing. Investing in skins is accessible to everyone, regardless of if they’re willing to pay or not. All they need is patience. -in terms of holding onto cosmetics long term and thus reducing supply, this is just how it goes, people dont have to pay the price its being sold for, until they want to. Its got to be agreed. If theres no demand for x item for 1b, then it’d have to drop. Its only that high because people are willing to pay so high. -I think trying to give poorer players the chance to buy og skins just is a bad idea, because once you have hit that 60b benchmark or whatever currently, completely max your profile, you can buy some cool cosmetics, but if they all crashed to be virtually worthless or likr 30m per, there is quite literally NOTHING for them to spend money on -I personally have wanted an og elephant set for a while, its expensive but it will be so rewarding when i finally manage to buy it, itll be so rewarding, rather than just buying it off ah for 50m like it seems like you want it to be? -his would ruin the game for hundreds of collectors with billions in skins and hundreds, if not thousands of hours of trading and investing, just so players can have some old cosmetics? If admins just continue to release new, cool cosmetics, it keeps everyone happy, which would just by my solution. I could see an argument where some wiped players could have a sort of shens auction for a certain skin if they had it prior to wipe to stop them being removed from circulation, though it would be difficult to manage, or maybe sell 1 og skin a month on cycle or something in the shens auction, which would also act as a money sink, which would slowly reintroduce some skins without completely ruining value, but reintroducing skins in bulk as a whole is just a terrible idea in my opinion.
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
I mean in order to make a full rebuttal to this I'd have to write a full essay but 1. Hypixel does make a lot from Fire Sales. "Trust" wouldn't be lost here as they never promised to not re-release skins. And even "lost demand" would mean that the supply for new skins would be lowered, increasing demand back to an equilibrium point. 2. Skins are designed to be limited, sure. You can introduce more in small quantities, and they'd still be very limited. 3. I mean... yeah? Ladders of exclusivity exist for all skins. If you reintroduced old skins in small quantities, certain skins would still be sought after, as demand outpaces supply. 4. Why? This is just a personal opinion. 5. The 10k black sheep thing was a joke in response to a chatter. I think reintroducing old skins in smaller quantities (250x, 500x) would be better. 6. This from an objective standpoint would not make skins "worthless". Introducing an extra 500 into the economy would mean they're still worth hundreds of millions or billions of coins. You're overestimating the deflationary aspect of it. 7. Uh... when you complete the game you complete the game? Yeah. That's true. Eventually you do run out of things to buy. That's a good thing when you're 10k hours in. 8. I don't want it to be bought off the AH for 50m. When did I even remotely suggest that? You're making up an argument in your head over something I did not say. 9. Not everyone is happy currently. There are players getting scammed and used by ultra-rich current players who tell them to buy skins en-masse and then sell them ASAP. This wouldn't ruin the game for collectors either, most collectors don't have many of the skins either. This would give those players (and new ones) a fighting chance.
@James-d5x
Ай бұрын
@@Derailious1) personally, I and I’d assume plenty of other people would lose faith in fire sales if there was a chance for a skin to rerelease. Why? Because then there would be no point holding, everyone would panic sell and price would plummet. Additionally for future new skins, what’s the point in buying other than to complete a full set if it’s a mid skin? 2) I think you underestimate how limited the more expensive skins are, you can’t rerelease 200+ of the og elephants without the price plummeting down to a few hundred mil, since there’s under 100 of each today, likely a lot less for the rarer ones. In terms of limitedness, the constant chance they can return makes it almost irrelevant. 3) the thing is the ladder should be like a pyramid, the top should be extremely limited, the bottom should be less limited, they shouldn’t all have the constant chance to rereturn 4) Well, so is your take on rereleasing skins. If you can’t afford x skin from the fire sale, you can either wait til you can afford it, or wait til the new fire sale for a similar skin. You shouldn’t just rely on gambling on the chance it rereturns. 6) considering how little sheep’s there are, it would still be easily 10x’ing ore more the amount in circulation, it’s just a one way ticket to causing extremely unstable prices. 7) not particularly? Hitting 60b nw is relatively easy, compared to completing the game. Having something else to spend money on and to actually go for is much better rather than holding it in purse waiting years for the next update you can max in 5 mins bc you already have so much saved up bc there’s nothing else to buy. 8) I know you didn’t suggest it but that’s what rereleasing skins would do to the price, just look at history graphs for skins. They will more than likely all plummet back to their original values. Regardless the 50m was an example price, idk what exactly they would drop to, but I’m for certain it’d be far too cheap and easy to get skins which dropped years ago which were originally meant to be exclusive. 9) I do agree this side is really scummy and is sort of like a pump and dump, but it is sort of down to the admins to issue punishments to KZitemrs or whatever to discourage this. I mean, people shouldn’t buy without their own research but I don’t disagree on this side since there’s loads of kids playing, but I think rereleasing skins wouldn’t resolve the problem, the problem would just shift elsewhere I think personally, if they did do any rereleasing, there should be an incredibly low supply of older skins being added each month or so, maybe like 1 sheep skin a month, held at sheds auction to counter the ones lost in wipes, but I still think this is a terrible idea. Reality is a large part of the games economy does come down to skin collecting and trading. You probably don’t know, but there are hundreds of us and rereleasing skims would just ruin this side, causing hundreds to quit just so slightly satisfy some players bc they get a cool cosmetic.
@messup2158
Ай бұрын
I feel like there is definitely a lot of risk in investing in skins. If people that are hoarding a lot of skins start to sell them it could cause the skins to crash because people will realize that there is risk in the skins. The reason that skins are valuable is because people think that there is no risk in investing in them, so they are fine with buying them at inflated prices with the idea that they are guaranteed to rise. The demand for skins is especially high because most people buying them do not understand that skins are already valued as an investment. I do believe that any event that poses a risk to the security of skins would cause a huge decrease in the market value of skins and most people buying them do not price that in to their investment. For an example if there is ever a method that comes out to dupe skins then even if only a few skins are duped it would cause the market to crash. This could also happen if the admins decide to rerun any exclusive cosmetics or if some investor starts to sell off rare skins publicly. If you want to reduce the price of skins you should inform people of the inherent risk in buying skins instead of saying that it is basically guaranteed to increase.
@messup2158
Ай бұрын
I also think that if the fallacy of free money from skins is part of the reason that cookies are more expensive because people just buy skins instead of cookies with their gems.
@finlayfarquhar9609
Ай бұрын
It’s been crazy to see the effective worth of similar fire sales creep up so quickly, take rose dye and portal dye for example, rose dye took a few weeks to go from 30-40m at release to 80m, but portal dye with more units took less than half an hour to reach sale price of 80m. People are treating brand new released skins as if they already have the scarcity due to voiding and account loss that skins released months ago have
@gustavofringisreal
Ай бұрын
the admins should implement a new system that makes the skins soulbound until they are applied
@long_gorilla_11
Ай бұрын
Sheep wars is my favorite game on hypixel
@dysent8389
Ай бұрын
I remember buying the ancient golden dragon skin, i bought 3 of them and people were saying it will never go up. at first it was all around to the point it was sold at almost 90m, now it is around 320m per piece
@Modcrafts
Ай бұрын
The purpose of coins should be to give a centralised value to materials, time and labour for the purpose of trading not for gatekeeping cool skins. If Timmy mines for 10hrs and John doesn’t want to mine for 10hrs but he wants the resources from mining then he needs to give coins obtained for another method so that Timmy can trade his labour for another item.
@hyperrnatural
Ай бұрын
Well if another kid called hypixel comes in and releases "cool skins" and they are limited in stock, then thats just something thatll happen
@Modcrafts
Ай бұрын
@@hyperrnatural but why are they limited in stock
@hyperrnatural
Ай бұрын
@@Modcrafts SO theres an incentive to buy it therefore more $$$ made
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
@@hyperrnaturalyeah this guy knows what he’s saying
@hyperrnatural
Ай бұрын
@@SprainsMC me or the other dude, cuz some of what he said is valid too
@kinghammyxvii
Ай бұрын
the richest player in the game, NewEriwan, isn't even endgame... he doesn't even have max skills. All the rich players are just skin hoarders who create their own networth by hoarding a skin
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
Cry more?
@TheWhimsicalCheeseburger
Ай бұрын
What they could do is make different editions of the skin, like the first release would all be called “first edition” and if it was re-released it would be called “second edition.”
@p0iS
Ай бұрын
fully agreeing with that. Skins should come back but not as fire sale, they should as coin auction, like shen or even diaz (ex. top 500 gets skin, rest of players loses coins). This solves the skins falling down by a ton in price problem.
@ignflxws
Ай бұрын
what they could do is introduce more skins via every raffle, based on how rare the skin actually is the harder it would be to get in the raffle and the smaller the total pool of them would be like 50 new black sheeps etc vs like 5000 new dyes nothing crazy and not enough to really cause these skins that should be rare to degrade in value but just enough to make them obtainable every blue moon to prevent mass hoarding.
@sepy9490
Ай бұрын
while i do have a lot in skins, i really dont think it is good for the game's health. why go out and make money when you can just buy a few skins and come back in some time and have made more or about the same money? It also kinda feels like some skins are a bubble waiting to burst as theres just too much stock and rich guys just dont have the money to control every skin, and poor players need to eventually sell the skins to play the game.
@R3xu
Ай бұрын
imo, they should boot up price of cookies by 1.5x and then add maybe couple of perks to cookies and there should be like a max of 1-2 fire sales per month (max of 1 skin per fire sale) or just taylor shop rotating every season and thats all they could maybe do also like skin fire sales where you use in game coins, if players complained about the lack of skins
@MartinBukovski
Ай бұрын
An idea for releasing old skins is just adding a date of the fire sale it was re-released. For example: Black Sheep Skin fire sale skin of: 05/24/2025 In my opinion this would keep the nowadays skin prices similar of old skins, they will still be considered as "OG" skins. The first ever black sheep skin will not have a date on it, so we can make a difference between the "new" and the "old" skin. The re-released skin can be double the gems they were first released.
@jdmc1238
Ай бұрын
Use code Rail in the hypixel store
@SprainsMC
Ай бұрын
why
@yeetdragon2413
Ай бұрын
@@SprainsMC yes
@Astrqnomy
Ай бұрын
these discussion-type videos are actually very enjoyable
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
Yes i like them very much too
@WateRoblox
Ай бұрын
As a ironman player who lost my old account to migration issues, there are many skins that I would love to have that I can never get. Personally I would like the reintroduction of old skins.
@TurboDoesStuff
Ай бұрын
Hypixel would lose money
@tallkids-spencerhuyck179
Күн бұрын
@@TurboDoesStuffit’s possible for hypixel to make enough money in ethical ways like booster cookies. The reason it’s good is because it doesn’t have limited supply so it’s easy to get one from someone who has spent money on gems via the bazaar
@stqrs291
Ай бұрын
5:10 They did re-run the baby dragon skins at one point !
@Theshadow12i
Ай бұрын
They introduced new ones but they never re-released the original ones
@crxnge_179
Ай бұрын
They would never reintroduce skins, as soon as they do, the trust players have in the skins / firesales will drop, as players generally trusted that the skins would not be reintroduced and paid prices based on those assumptions. As soon as something like this happens less billionaire investors like myself will invest into skins resulting in huge price drops, generally any skin rn especially newer ones ik multiple people with hundreds meaning without them the price would affectively crash. Less demand in game for skins = less people willing to pay irl for firesales resulting in overall losses for the hypixel company. So unless hypixel wants to see their profits crash I highly doubt they will rerelease any skins.
@crxnge_179
Ай бұрын
Right now they are looking to make like 400k USD this next firesale on the magmalord helmet, if they pull something like reintroducing skins there is a good chance fire sales stop selling out and even if the ingame prices stay consistent due to less being available for non irl, in general hypixel will start losing profits of real money.
@user-h7W178TsRk
Ай бұрын
I'd really want old cosmetics to be reintroduced because: 1. More people can get some without overpaying, especially because there're very good ones (wither goggles skins, minimalistic old skins, grand searing rune, etc) 2. Huge L to mfs like swavy 3. The prices won't be inflated that easily just by a bunch of rich people 4. More people will be buying them to actually use, not purely as investments 5. Another big point is that overall cosmetics will be cheaper and possibly booster cookies can go down a bit, because less people will be spending gems on buying tons of skins
@thatquail
Ай бұрын
They should reintroduce the lost skins (such as the black sheep skins that have gotten wiped etc) through the anniversary raffle thing they did
@rixgames69
Ай бұрын
I don't even think skins are affected by dupes, since each skin has a different item ID
@ozderei6607
Ай бұрын
They could just make us pay trillions of coins for a city project that will be the foraging update.
@arttukettunen5757
Ай бұрын
On one hand, this is kind of bad, but on the other hand since the rich players focus on skins, the progression items have not really risen that much in price, apart from cookies and some other minor exceptions. Hyperion, term, their prices have even dropped a bit.
@bangaa3
Ай бұрын
It's crazy to me that I was called an idiot in 1000 different ways when I bought every skin in the game back in 2021... :'D
@poiso9747
Ай бұрын
I feel like they should maybe reduce the amount of skins in each fire sale and make them soul-bound, that way it will still be a "rare item" and will be seen for its prettiness instead of its value.
@BigDeac
Ай бұрын
anyone else here after the debate with squid
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
Yes, well i wouldn't call it a "debate" it was just derailious trying to explain basic economics to a person who does not understand basic economics (not trying to be overly mean to squidkid but it was very apparent that he didn't really follow along since his only responses were "i don't agree". As a fellow economics student it was a bit painful to watch tbh, but kinda funny tbf
@Jeff-r7u
Ай бұрын
Under 1h minutes gang
@floffysnow
Ай бұрын
Best way to fix this issue is to have like a shop in the hub that will sell the old skins for limited quantity for each 10 sb years we’re the value of the old skins will decree but not bye much like relsing 1000 skin per sb year for a total of 10000 skin or less to keep the value and give mony for the developers they can also relise them but with a higher gem value to captlise on the limited quantity
@Vaxture
Ай бұрын
You should make a vid about the possibility of empty dark auction lobbies
@wiz6221
Ай бұрын
btw the thumbnail is wrong black sheep unapplied is priceless at this point. All 15 owners arent willing to sell and #2 networth player offered 80bil for anyone willing to sell (no one took the offer). unapplied pink sheep got offers of 80bil and i dont think they sold
@wiz6221
Ай бұрын
the only way to get an unapplied black sheep now is to wait for someone with one to quit and offer them irl for it (80bil is worth $4500 in the illegal irl trading community)
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
price for thumbnail isn’t relevant. Just picked a high number for fun
@ghostandi7984
Ай бұрын
reintroducing old skins would be great so ppl can finally use them for cosmetics and prices getting lower
@ImVerifiedYT
Ай бұрын
oh its that thing he talked about in todays stream
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
yes
@slyTheSalamander
Ай бұрын
You’re right we should peel it off
@alonsovikingo5846
Ай бұрын
We can just make a boicot and just dont re buy the skins , the price only go up if someone buys it , and in that way you get skins cheaper
@severus_lux
Ай бұрын
Derailious my idea is they dont bring back the skins but make somewhat close to the old gen skins like look the crush/crushed sheep skins from valentine bundle they look little closer to the ogs but more new details... that will be awesome to see new gen skins going to closer look to the ogs one. No need to bring em back bc ltry no point
@Rexsan33
Ай бұрын
Yapatron 5000 is back
@NsGaming21
Ай бұрын
Hot take: they should cycle fire sales
@MaeFlooff
Ай бұрын
if someone is planning to get into skin investing, dont be adhd or impatient, some skins will take months to go up to a decent price. :)
@Lunkie
Ай бұрын
I personally don't care at all if skins rise alot, doesn't affect the gameplay at all
@Night_Stary
Ай бұрын
i don't mind that so much. Not having a risk involved feels nice, cuz I just don't like feeling stressed out. Plus real money is involved here, which makes it much more tricky. You can't trade for money back, like you can do in other games. It just goes in, never out. So I feel like exclusivity does make sense here
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
Well technically you don't need to buy it with gems you could just buy them of ah instantly when they come as the price is very unstable at those points buy as many as you can and than hold for a year or 2 and they have gone up by like 50-200-1000%
@pnkrcy
Ай бұрын
the IKalazar stream was crazy we were watching you discuss this hard
@iacooks379
Ай бұрын
this issue is why I think that there should be a monthly "your shop" with 5 or so skins from previous runs to inject more of these skins into the game to make them feel less like investments and more like actual cosmetics
@AkinsoftSB
Ай бұрын
I love skins
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
i love hypixel socks
@tremmery2116
Ай бұрын
I think if they re-release skins, the best way to do it would be making the new ones soulbound, and having them be purchasable with bits. This would: Make them accessible to everyone who ACTUALLY wants to use them, while still keeping exclusivity to the items from investors, so they don't feel totally scammed. It does this without heavily affecting monetization, because bits come from cookies. Right now, there is MUCH higher incentive to purchase skins with gems when you want to maximize profit, this would also put cookies on an even playing field.
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
I don't think that "investors" holding on to riskless assets and raking in infinite money in the long term is good, actually
@randomnumber5803
Ай бұрын
@@DerailiousInteresting video! Imo if hypixel were to ever rerelease skins they could make the old ones "legacy editions" or at least have a way to differentiate between the old and new versions. This would be similar to how the admins treated exotics when dyes were releases as to not piss off collectors. Speaking of exotics, do you carry a similar opinion on them? They are also inflated cosmetics which can only ever decrease in supply and are just as speculative. Even if you rerelease skins, endgame billionaires would just dump their NW into other collectibles like OG space helms or baskets or hope - should those items ever come back as well? Otherwise they will be the next "riskless asset" if skins are ever rereleased
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
@@randomnumber5803 I care much much less about exotics because they are not earned with real world currency. You pay into them with skyblock coins and more are not created on a monthly basis.
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
@@randomnumber5803 Other collectibles also have far less demand. This is once again due to the lack of real world currency to obtain them, and while there is a set amount of them, many players are completely unwilling to sell them for any price due to sentimental value or “legacy” reasons.
@blades5047
Ай бұрын
@@Derailious What if there was a special mayor like Jerry or Derpy that when elected, released 1+ old firesale skins to purchase again?
@theracer5159
Ай бұрын
Put Skins in Shens Auction That's how you can get more in but it will be betting with gems and not coins
@agaw1845
Ай бұрын
The skin economy is a bubble. The real demand is low ( because most normie can’t afford it) and the one hoarding it creating the “demand” only takes it as an investment. If somehow these investors need to cash out these skins for coins, the price will plummet. Idk what could require then to cash out tho
@jakewest4832
Ай бұрын
Rereleasing skins will only lose Hypixel potential money to be earned because it lowers demand greatly of new skins, so that is not happening.
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
That's objectively incorrect. If demand went down, and people stopped buying as many skins, supply of each skin would drop too, which would then increase demand back to an equilibrium point again.
@jakewest4832
Ай бұрын
@@Derailious I mean a lot of demand for new firesales currently is exactly what u say in your video, people "investing" for a quick 100m, rereleasing would essentially make this quick 100m not feasible anymore, lowering demand for new sales, decreasing profits for hypixel as a whole, not worrying about coin value of skins decreasing.
@jakewest4832
Ай бұрын
@@Derailious I think the best thing to do is release new skins with higher quantities, so new players can get cheap skins, leave the old ones and move on.
@superguy752
Ай бұрын
Bro I bought a maxor helmet skin for like 400m 2 months ago and now it’s like a bil bro it’s crazy
@ryznx2230
Ай бұрын
i wanted to sell 10x lucky dyes at 20m per because it was going down, now its reached 100mil per, also with other skins
@zkvie
Ай бұрын
honestly they should make fire sales soulbound to stop the hoarding of investments then only people who actually wanted to use/apply the skins would buy it knowing they wouldnt get the money back
@SimpleGamer14
Ай бұрын
i want to stop crying myself to sleep because i sold a white sheep skin for 60m
@LerpMcGerk
Ай бұрын
He used the stream debate topic for a video
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
Yes
@Fobat76
Ай бұрын
Time to start implementing yearly taxes. The Hypixel IRS knows
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
The game already has taxes and derpy will soon increase them for a bit
@Mr.Nozama
Ай бұрын
tbh the sb economy as a whole has turned to shit
@shibathesheep5043
Ай бұрын
Money has become to easy to get I made 1.5 bil from the 10 hours of fiesta
@JonHop1
Ай бұрын
@@shibathesheep5043 I made like 250m just off glossy gemstones alone. I got 41 total and just sold them last night for 6.1m each... Its literally insane. Then I made a good 400m in gems, and another like 400m in pets(I leveled like 6 Trex pets and like 7 moles to 100)
@shibathesheep5043
Ай бұрын
@@JonHop1 yea I’m holding my glossy’s but I made 850 mil off gemstones alone it’s nutty
@mr.potatoman2409
Ай бұрын
@@shibathesheep5043 Well if you can spend 10h on a game in a day, it says something about you, not the game
@shibathesheep5043
Ай бұрын
@@mr.potatoman2409 the fiestas were broken up into 2 hour increments over 3 days lol
@Tacos16x20
Ай бұрын
They need a way for ironman players to get skins without usung gems. We are locked out of old skins due to not being able to use auction house. And f2p players wont want to spend money on gems to get the fire sales, aka, no way at all to obtain fire sale skins
@loonitick
Ай бұрын
the fantastical idea of guaranteed return from holding is what makes people very cautious about the topic of rerunning tradable cosmetics. this issue wouldn't exist for soul-bound cosmetics, but soul-binding cosmetics would be a horrible idea as well. now consider this: the one holding onto the cosmetic gets to set an arbitrary price -- whos to say anyone would ever pay that price? how is that networth even proven? money in the form of cosmetics is extremely artificial and introducing cosmetic reruns would upset quite a large market, and it's a market responsible for alot of Hypixel's current income. i do not think it will happen. not like a normal firesale at least. cheers! lets hope the admins add more, well designed coin sinks in the future
@pvz_games
Ай бұрын
it is kinda the same with exotic armor sets, there are really few of them and those who do have them will never/very rarely sell them so they can have worths in the hundreds of billions but if none are sold or bought than is that really extra nw?
@Mattis35
Ай бұрын
Skins economy is broken : pov dolphin skins
@joltjj4
Ай бұрын
i think it would be great if ironman had another way to obtain skins other than real life money, as somone who plays ironman and doesnt spend alot of money on skyblock this is something i would get alot out of.
@solventtoast3013
Ай бұрын
its fun to collect expensive/rare skins
@doveneta
Ай бұрын
easiest way to increase nw i bought gemstone divan helmet for 40m when it was a mythic cosmetic, now they are 540m
@user-mm8zu8cf4j
Ай бұрын
I hate the skin economy, sure ive profited of it once or twice but i belivie it ruins a Big part of skyblock, earning coins. Because every skin in the game goes up in price a LOT within a week or two
@ove3768
Ай бұрын
i watched your blaze live where u debated about skins economy with squid very enjoyable.
@Klqver
Ай бұрын
*im not gonna make a video about this* *I have no reason to make a video about this* : proceeds to make a video about this.
@wolfadore1234
Ай бұрын
I think the cost of booster cookies should go down because not only are bits used for so many different aspects of the game they should also give another reason not to buy skins. If your a normal player and you want to buy coins for gems cheaper booster cookies could allow for people buying gems to have a better choice of what they should buy for their gems
@Hemimana
Ай бұрын
3:05 not true, because there will be a lot of demand initially from people trying to invest but it will fall as people have already invested a certain amount Therefore the demand will fall
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
I mean in the short run if demand is high and nominal inflation is positive, even large groups of players investing will not be equivalent to the whole economy. Plus Skyblock coins are generated so quickly
@Hemimana
Ай бұрын
@@Derailious idk I just invested in a skin and it crashed 50% after like a month (although it’s gonna go back up eventually)
@knorfr
Ай бұрын
My dumb ass coop sold my black sheep skin when it was 200m
@snowfall3034
Ай бұрын
This is also seen in the dye fire sales, rose dyes were ~30m on release they are now well over 100m a few months later. Portal dyes were ~70m on release with 60k of them for sale, they sold out in what like 3 minutes? Even a month or 2 later now portal dyes have already go up 30m with no end in sight. TLDR: Its all firesales, not just skins.
@ChaticIsTired
Ай бұрын
portal dyes were sold out in 40 seconds, hypixel made about $150k in 40 seconds
@Derailious
Ай бұрын
I agree. I just used Skin as a catch-all here. You're right!
@Cycl0n3_x
Ай бұрын
i think re releasing older skins is a good idea and laso increase the quantity of upcoming skins so ppl dnt just hug them as an investment but buying them cuz they like the skin
@OstrichTheOrange
Ай бұрын
its like the stock market. Different skins, different stocks. Some stocks are better than others.
@nixbtw
Ай бұрын
Rather than using skins as well, cosmetics, what they're MEANT for, people just use them as vessels for investment, it's kinda annoying
@PikyTheGoofball
Ай бұрын
As someone that was able to by the now extremely rare & ancient "Puffer Fish Skin" for the Diver's Mask, it is was very annoying to attempt to get this skin and also extremely rare. It's now practically impossible because anyone that saw the sudden increase in this skin wanted to buy & wait till it's +600 million or 1 billion coins or something. Additionally, this was also the 4th ever released Firesale skin by the way. It did take ~345 million coins to just by the skin, and then ~115m to buy the helmet with the skin applied. There's currently no sales for this skin either, unless sudden & popular posts get enough attention to warrant people putting it up for sale, or through word of mouth I also deeply wish that the Firesale Dyes wouldn't go away instantaneously due to how many people see it as a super efficient in-game coin printer based on market values Also also, another interesting but equally annoying point is the impossibility of re-obtaining these elusive skins/dyes on Ironman profiles (or Stranded if that's even possible, heh). If you were unlucky and couldn't be on while the Firesale occurred, then too bad, it is legitimately impossible to ever see those skins ever again. There's a more extreme to this when comparing dyes, as you're playing a "how fast can you click the buttons" simulator to grab as many dyes as possible before it ends in seconds
@alysaere
Ай бұрын
I was legit shocked how fast the portal dye sold out.
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