Dude's torture in the Hell would be playing vanilla Skyrim
@Jaskynn
5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@ffann100
5 ай бұрын
I still love vanilla Skyrim for its buggy enchanting and OP legendary leveling system. I hate buggy quests tho
@redgeoblaze3752
4 ай бұрын
I consider Vanilla and Fully modded to be two different games entirely. Sometimes I'll just decide to open up Skyrim on my switch. No need to fiddle around with downloads and mod managers for days on end, just open up, watch the 20 minute intro as I brainstorm on what kind of character I want to play, and off I go to be the exact same spell-sword I always play.
@Maxsmack
4 ай бұрын
What’s Skyrim, I’ve been playing a 2023 game called Novlus
@chaserseven2886
4 ай бұрын
Playing vanilla Skyrim all over again would be a dream come true
@miossid
5 ай бұрын
Looking at the thumbnail I thought it was gonna be a mod that let you grow your hair and beard over time 😭
@JoubignaxEvolved
5 ай бұрын
Same 😭
@rainin8956
5 ай бұрын
dirt and blood has that system, if I'm remembering right. it does hair and beard growth but it Alerts you with it, like you could either trim it or let it grow
@miossid
5 ай бұрын
@@rainin8956 really? Is that a new addition? I remember checking out that mod like 3 years ago and I don't recall seeing that about beard growth in its description
@rainin8956
5 ай бұрын
@@miossid yeah I think it's new, I just added the mod 2 weeks ago. you could find it on the descriptions (2nd to last of the "Features")
@miossid
5 ай бұрын
@@rainin8956 nice! I'll check it out again
@doyga5977
5 ай бұрын
The Dragon Souls To Perk Points is nice, but i like the "Dragon Soul Relinquishment" mod, since you can use Dragon Souls to also enhance other parts of your character, like carry weight, unarmed damage and, yes Perk Points
@jessiehogue.
4 ай бұрын
I was thinking I'd use that instead, true.
@igavinwood
3 ай бұрын
It hasn't been updated for a long time (2017), so I'm not sure how compatible it is with other mods, especially the animation. It was a great little mod though.
@jessiehogue.
3 ай бұрын
@@igavinwood Ended up using another one myself.... and then I failed to make my modlist work without breaking everything, so I ragequitted modding for now, lol. Will try again later. XD
@faelheavymetal
3 ай бұрын
@@igavinwoodStill works fine.
@lukmaanpratomo6866
2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the mod SKYSHARDS is a lot more flexible, since you can use the mod on a non-Dragonborn character playthrough. If I am not mistaken, the alternate start mod called SKYRIM UNBOUND REBORN has an option that disables dragonsoul absorption should you choose to play as a non-dragonborn character.
@Erniebern06
5 ай бұрын
Your overhauls are always so nice. Especially when you take the time to show your setting and make mentions of how the help them play nice with other mods.
@AlmostSilent08
4 ай бұрын
I second this comment!!
@RMiklosDenes
5 ай бұрын
Great video. I'm actually using most of this mods already. Except for "Dragon souls to perk points". Instead I'm using a mod that gives you perk points for completing radiant quests (forgot the exact name) combined with missives. This was you have a very good purpose to make those radiant quests.
@tobybll
5 ай бұрын
the GOAT for mod showcases. What fine, new gems for my current modlist! Thanks for showing!
@kumbi8368
5 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Despite being interested in these mods I had been avoiding them for a while because I didnt like how they each interacted with the vanilla system. But combining them together to create an entirely new system looks to work really well. For example 'Exercise' plus the 10 points you gain from every level made my characters stats grow too quickly for my liking in the early game. On the other hand 'Geometric Stat Growth' made my characters stats grow way too slowly. But combining the two looks like a very interesting synergy.
@averylynn_buttercup676
3 ай бұрын
I love this and the fact that you take the time to walk through and give some examples of everything. Many just say here is the mod, this is what it does, this is how it work, this is how it looks, on to the next one. You really seem to take the time to playtest them and give more than just feedback but personal examples and comparisons. Thank you for this awesome showcase!
@MHOWARD278
5 ай бұрын
It’s a good day when a new Softgaming video comes out.
@cronodoug
5 ай бұрын
I really like MOD Experience, especially because it's just SKSE. I used it in LE and now I want to use it again.
@ejeverett4322
5 ай бұрын
I’ve been using this exact set up for awhile and game play is so smooth. Much more engaging
@BladefullySwift
3 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this SG. I just came back to Skyrim and wouldn't have known about Uncapper or the rewritten Static Skill Leveling if not for this video. I remember having inconsistencies with the original SSL a year ago (probably my fault in SSEEdit, lul) and hopefully it's all fixed this time following your guide(s).
@jam34786
4 ай бұрын
Experience is freaking AMAZING! The more i played with it, the more bummed i was that we didnt get this sort of leveling system in the base game. I really enjoyed pairing it with Requiem once i got the patching sorted.
@igavinwood
3 ай бұрын
Really good advice for yet another play through - Thank you :) These mods should probably be in the base of all new modlists. After all it is suppose to an RPG, so it would be nice to be rewarded for playing it that way.
@evolimc3793
4 ай бұрын
Its so cool to see what Skyrim become, i played some heavy modded list over the time, but i like to keep in touch with the old buggy Skyrim that i fell in love with over 10 years ago
@Dabdat
2 ай бұрын
you deserve the sub bro, your lists are some of the best ive seen since ive been modding.
@ben9441
4 ай бұрын
I really like the idea of the fallout points leveling system in Skyrim. Way better thanks for the video
@Zahn-rad
5 ай бұрын
Not sure how I feel on Static Skill Leveling Rewritten On one hand, I don't have to farm Pickpocket. On the other hand, I don't have to farm Pickpocket.
@gershwinwest
2 ай бұрын
My pc already heating up from watching this😂😂😂
@maieatedursuop
4 ай бұрын
This man's skyrim deadass looks like how I imagine Elder Scrolls 6-
@Nurk0m0rath
Ай бұрын
This may be an unpopular opinion but one of the big draws of the elder scrolls series for me has always been its use-based skill xp system. It stood out from other RPGs and it makes logical sense. Use a skill, it gets better. You can't improve your stealth by running berserk-style into every fight. That said, I also realize that the skill xp system in Skyrim is pretty busted, and I'm always looking out for ways to make it less jank, like giving more xp per cast to higher level spells, passive armor xp from running around, and training dummies being actually useful for learning combat skills. Which is the only reason I might try this more traditional RPG style, although I doubt I'll keep it (as there are a million RPGs out there using basically the same system). Honestly, my ideal system for Skyrim would be one that gives skill xp based on the difficulty or success level of the task. Weapon skills should grow based on the damage you deal, not your hit count. Magic should grow based on damage dealt or healed, mitigated by flesh spells, absorbed by wards, etc. Stealth should grow faster as the difficulty of remaining in stealth rises. And so on. And XP should certain never be penalized for playing smart, like by raising your weapon/spell damage or actively blocking and dodging attacks. I'd like to suggest another perk point mod that I enjoy. "Perk Points and More Gold for Bounty Quests" does exactly what the title says. Every time you turn in a quest to kill a giant, a bandit leader, or a dragon, you get a perk point and a bounty that is actually worth chasing. IMHO a very immersive way to profit as a mercenary and progress your character in a way that also promotes exploration and interacting with the world, and it makes bounty hunting quite a lucrative job that can be done alongside your chosen guild/s quests.
@MoaRider
2 ай бұрын
Any chance you could do a full tutorial on how to get Experience/Leveling Freedom/Skyrim Skill Uncapper/Static Skill Leveling Rewritten to all work properly in tandem? People, including me, have been having problems.
@Cwronaga216
5 ай бұрын
I also recommend as an alternative or alongside geometric stat growth the mod limited leveling by rough shot that decreases the amount of stat gain you get per level to a tiny 5 . I also recommend any mod that gives you a permanent bonus every time you make a skill legendary and a mod that makes legendary return you to a moderate value rather than resetting you to the beginning that way you get a constant bonus for constantly leveling a skill without sacrificing perks
@redcastlefan
3 ай бұрын
I love mods and theyre also a big part of my experience too. But if youre doing that much to the game youre no longer playing the same game just play something else that meets what you want.
@nelo-muu
2 ай бұрын
Great progression modlist you have here. Been playing with them for a little while, do you by any chance have the Experience's skill cap turned on?
@megumin1870
5 ай бұрын
What a great list, thank you :D
@HirokazuTakeda
Ай бұрын
idk I dislike the static lvling mod but only because if I use a thing it should increase, like honing my skill with a weapon or running around in armor to be more accustom to it weight and aware of it pivot points
@androidgamenetwork5955
Ай бұрын
The body mod in the thumbnail pleaaaaaaase
@Shiveers
4 ай бұрын
I'd love if you ever released your Skyrim setup as a wabbajack modpack.
@lanejennings3039
5 ай бұрын
It would great if he would post a mod collection on nexus of all his different molding overhauls
@alvarg
5 ай бұрын
loving how this modlist looks. need that wabba installer dude
@alexanderseidl4665
4 ай бұрын
i need a mod that decreses my skills over time
@azu260
5 ай бұрын
Erm.. You are adding a mod that improves your stamina while running to add immersion, but then adding a mod that means you can swing sword for days and still be 15 onehanded.. seems purpose breaking
@strawhatoverlord9184
4 ай бұрын
Right ? Earlier he's like "just dumping points into a stat when you lvl up is dumb, much more immersive if it increases when you use it", but later he's like "having to use skills to level them up is dumb, it's way better if you can just dump points into them when you lvl up". Contradictory much ?
@jessiehogue.
4 ай бұрын
@@strawhatoverlord9184 Indeed. The Static Skills Leveling one is the only one I won't be using in the list. I think the vanilla skill leveling method makes a lot more sense, like lifting weights repeatedly to improve lifting strength. Makes a lot more sense than magically gaining alchemy when you never even touched the stuff. I will however still definitely use Skyrim Skill Uncapper to increase the skill cap, and to lower the speed at which XP is gained for skills because they do tend to go up too fast for my taste.
@LockPick-g2b
3 ай бұрын
Indeed. I think people who use mods and completely turn it into a different game should uninstall the mods. If you don’t like the game the way it is, uninstall
@azu260
3 ай бұрын
@@LockPick-g2b lol, if you limit yourself to only vanilla skyrim you might be missing out man, mods are amazing, and they are a part of the game, without mods the game would've been dead all those years ago
@LockPick-g2b
3 ай бұрын
@@azu260 nah u don’t understand
@LoganHale-yr8ur
4 ай бұрын
I may have to give these a try. Also, my main question is what Mod line up are you running because it looks fantastic!
@LoganHale-yr8ur
4 ай бұрын
Nevermind....I found his mod list XD
@derkyjerky1401
5 ай бұрын
my new pc is being built i can’t wait to finally play modded skyrim with a good frame rate 😭
@a1racer441
5 ай бұрын
I use and love the experiance mod I’ll check out the rest of these, sky shards I personally hate though look super cheese.
@sensei-sama1410
4 ай бұрын
Mic sounds good!!
@DustDragon
5 ай бұрын
Very, very, very, very nice!
@Antonioinho
3 ай бұрын
I want to know what armor mod is that and hair you used
@davidhuxiley1327
5 ай бұрын
Dude amazing video! I'm a bit of a armors mods collector, and I'd love to know what armor mod your character is using
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
It's called Viking Armor Collection
@boloisdaman
5 ай бұрын
No Pumping Iron?
@frankiecedeno3724
4 ай бұрын
I don’t remember Skyrim looking like that
@FluxCrazyGamingYT
5 ай бұрын
Wish I could get my Viking character to look like the thumbnail character on the right side. 🤔🙁
@donkeyjoe4782
4 ай бұрын
Cant play without experience
@tastefullynerdy1161
4 ай бұрын
jfc I swear whenever I'm on youtube my mod list grows by a few mods. I'm alteady at over 750....
@caiodiniz7371
5 ай бұрын
What is the armor you were in the begining of the video?
@jeffsh20
5 ай бұрын
Hey love the video. Was wondering about the compatability between exhuastion/exercise and static skill leveling. Would the upgrade attribute such as health or magicka interfere with the stats upgrading that comes with exhuastion and excercise? thanks
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
Do you mean geometric Stat growth? And no they are separate
@TheSixoul
4 ай бұрын
I wonder if it's possible to make Exhaustion and Exercise work only when Survival Mode is enabled.
@nickcox2242
3 ай бұрын
Static Skill Leveling Rewritten doesnt work for 1.5.97
@luciantr6207
5 ай бұрын
what mod are u using for landscapes texture ? looks dope
@gandalf71729
3 ай бұрын
What's the mod that changes perk tree's background?
@Konichiwa_yu_beach
Ай бұрын
What is the ui that you/ mod use to see the damage numbers for enemies and stamina bars
@worzeldanier9012
28 күн бұрын
wish you had a wabbajack modpack coz all these mods be weeks to sort.
@kikiki5022
4 ай бұрын
Hello, can you tell me what is the mod that produce blood splatter when you hit the enemy? nice vid anyway
@einsleyharriot1294
18 күн бұрын
So should I just leave the experience settings at default?
@leandrosoutus1706
3 ай бұрын
Hello, Great list! but i cant for the life of me make "static leveling rewritten" work, i mean it almost does but im stuck with the bug in wich your skill levels dont change after you allocate the skillpoints. Ive seen its a common issue with this mod but no one has a clear soliution, not even the author. Any help would be appreciated.
@EarthyTeddy
5 ай бұрын
can you tell me what are your AI MCO movesets? i've been trying to find some good ones that work for animated armoury and heavy armoury
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
I use holmgang
@EarthyTeddy
5 ай бұрын
@@SoftGamingOfficial hmm, i tried that one yesterday, but I'm gonna try out some of the For Honor in skyrim ones
@ikeharrison1
5 ай бұрын
@@SoftGamingOfficialLove all your Skyrim vids thank you! I believe you play also with a controller, would you consider doing a vid on your choice controller set up?? Thanks again!!!
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
@@ikeharrison1 hey thanks man yea I can take a look
@Draackaz700
5 ай бұрын
It's a good mod showcase
@Gogeata4
3 ай бұрын
So if you remove skill gain exp what do you do to Standing stones?
@franciscopetitdemeurville1884
4 ай бұрын
someone cooked here
@einsleyharriot1294
18 күн бұрын
bruh how did you install skyrim uncapper?
@TheHolyTrident
4 ай бұрын
I loved the video but personally I dislike the whole idea of the static skill leveling mod, I don't like the system in Fallout and I wouldn't like the system in Skyrim. Being able to allocate points wherever you want despite not actually using the skill is ridiculous to me, you mentioned the original system being easy to cheese but this way is also just as bad, at least you have to grind and literal cast spells over and over and over again like you would if magic was real to get better at it. I do really like discovering areas granting xp, and clearing dungeons and doing quests granting xp. But if you do all that and the whole time you don't cast a single restoration spell, but level up your character enough to max out your restoration without ever actually using the skill I think that's immersion breaking for me, cool mod for sure and it's good that you can modify it through mcm but I feel like it's easy enough to cheese
@PogoDarnexx
2 ай бұрын
Hey, is there a Mod that sets all your Skill to lvl 1 at the start?
@lawerst7496
4 ай бұрын
when u level up your xp bar sems very cool can u tell me the mod name please ?
@entenigelpfau
4 ай бұрын
I find that Stamina-Ehaustion one mod not correct! It should INCREASE your stamina, the more you sneak and run! Not Vice-Versa! Do you get me or am i totally dumb, here?!
@drugspirta
4 ай бұрын
Static skill leveling rewritten is a crap! I faced a blocking bug with it and was totally ignored by Mod Author, later I found that other people reported the same issue and were ignored as well...
@Laxus119
5 ай бұрын
does anyone know which hair mod he uses?
@thedude882
5 ай бұрын
Valkyr hairstyle
@Laxus119
5 ай бұрын
@@thedude882 Thanks bro!
@ReverbRising
5 ай бұрын
Soft my dude how are you? ...Wabbajack when :3
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
Hey haha soonmy friend
@JMPStart
4 ай бұрын
For some reason when I tried to use Static Skill Leveling Rewritten, the MCM didn't appear, and changing the settings in the ini didn't work either, does anyone know why?
@entenigelpfau
4 ай бұрын
After watching this Vid long enough, i conclude for myself, ... Dont use any mods that manipulates the skill-system! I mean honestly, levelling in Skyrim goes so "smoothly" ; i dont see no need to speeding this up or slowing it down - just leave it as it is! My Opinion.
@smallway5408
5 ай бұрын
2hspecialattackmod
@joditiawan9620
4 ай бұрын
please update your modlist bro, some of it have a bug recently, big thanks🤙
@sevenofthr4wn
5 ай бұрын
What armor mod are you using for the background gameplay captures?
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
It's from the viking armor collection
@LockPick-g2b
3 ай бұрын
Bro that’s not Skyrim anymore
@versoeN
5 ай бұрын
What is your nordic dungeon texture mod?
@roganson519
5 ай бұрын
This may not be to ask but can anyone help a brother out? I’ve followed his mod list and have everything added but several mods are installing without esp. most notably is northern farmhouses. I’ve tried reinstalling and moving things around but I can’t get the esps to appear. Any ideas?
@zorroviva2486
5 ай бұрын
For the love of God, what is the hair mod you're using? I've seen it in so many skyrim mod videos but no one ever puts what it is.
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
It's called valkyr hairstyles
@zorroviva2486
5 ай бұрын
@@SoftGamingOfficial thank you thank you
@nathanvosburgh718
5 ай бұрын
what mod is it that shows the name and health bar on the Bandits? at the very start
@SoftGamingOfficial
5 ай бұрын
TrueHUD
@outcastpariah746
2 ай бұрын
what enb are you using
@SoftGamingOfficial
2 ай бұрын
NAT.ENB III
@EkleipsisTM
5 ай бұрын
How can I increase experience's level cap? It's 255
@Zarkil
5 ай бұрын
That's controlled by the skill uncapper mod not experience.
@Zarkil
5 ай бұрын
I know a lot of players love the experience mod and generally say it's how an rpg should work or like you said stops you from cheasing the game. So I know I'm in the minority when I say I think it ruins the most immersive part of skyrim. How do you get better at casting illusion spells? You practice casting weak illusion spells. You can then learn to cast more powerful illusion spells and become more efficient at casting lower level spells. Same with sneaking or smithing. When I first played Skyrim it blew my mind and I still think it's amazing. What's more immersive? Going through a dungeon killing bandits in heavy armor and a greatsword and ending up being better with heavy armor and a greatsword or gaining a level by doing the same thing then putting fifteen points into sneaking. You can cheese any system but the check to that in skyrim was supposed to be that every skill would contribute to leveling you, and the rest of the world, up. Gaining twenty levels by crafting then enchanting and selling iron daggers, or any other cheese thing you could do, should have resulted in you getting your ass kicked in combat. On the flip side, only focusing on combat skills should have made the other parts of the game harder instead of rewarding you so much that there was never a reason to work at anything else. If experience is more fun for you that's great. That's what modding is all about, making your game more fun for you. But in my opinion it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Thank you for the content.
Used Static Skill Leveling Rewritten for a while and everything was good until I decided to start a warrior character and my two handed skill would not increase. Lots of others are having similar issues if you check the comments over on the nexus page. Just a warning to those considering using it to make sure you test and make sure all of the skills are leveling up properly before you get deep into a playthrough only to realize one of your skills is broken.
@JMPStart
4 ай бұрын
Having that problem too, if it helps, I think any mod that does anything to the actor values may causing the problem, I was attempting to use this mod with classic classes and birth signs SSE (Reimagined) with the set AV scripts addon and I noticed the problem, when I turned it off, it started to work again, also, if you edited the Experience mod's ini, it may have also stopped the skills from leveling as well
@MoaRider
2 ай бұрын
I spent a couple hours playing a game only to realize that none of my skills were increasing despite making it to level 7. I fucking hate mods that requires you to manually mess around with code and shit.
@pedropacheco7335
Ай бұрын
For people having this issue, there's two things you need to do: - First is making sure you have: Papyrus / powerofthree / Papyrus + powerofthree extender - Second is makig sure you download the OLDER version (3.2.0) of Experience (in case you are using the mod) because the newest version changes the .Ini files and get uncompatible with the skill mod (no problem in doing that even if you use the Nordic UI patch cuz the patch is to Experience 2.4+ and the older version is already beyond that so you won't have any prolems) NOTE 1: You NEED to do the adjustments SoftGaming shows in the video as well; NOTE 2: This is how the mod works: first you select the skills you want to upgrade, then LEAVE THE SKILLS MENU, ENTER AGAIN, AND THEN THE SKILLS WILL UPDATE (don't forget this); NOTE 3: Make sure to always save/load after making any changes in the MCM menus because Papyrus will work better.
@pedropacheco7335
Ай бұрын
For people having problems with the Static Skill Mod, there's two things you need to do: - First is making sure you have: Papyrus / powerofthree / Papyrus + powerofthree extender - Second is makig sure you download the OLDER version (3.2.0) of Experience (in case you are using the mod) because the newest version changes the .Ini files and get uncompatible with the skill mod (no problem in doing that even if you use the Nordic UI patch cuz the patch is to Experience 2.4+ and the older version is already beyond that so you won't have any prolems) NOTE 1: You NEED to do the adjustments SoftGaming shows in the video as well; NOTE 2: This is how the mod works: first you select the skills you want to upgrade, then LEAVE THE SKILLS MENU, ENTER AGAIN, AND THEN THE SKILLS WILL UPDATE (don't forget this); NOTE 3: Make sure to always save/load after making any changes in the MCM menus because Papyrus will work better.
@denniswade4998
5 ай бұрын
Timely as usual! I was just exploring mods that would allow mw to approach the game in a new way, and seriously, I think every one of these mods is going to be added to my game!
@d3anims97
5 ай бұрын
These are literally about to have me modding again
@yazzzlet3549
4 ай бұрын
How beautiful are the modern mods though? It literally turned skyrim into a modern game. I think the only thing we are lacking at this point is good enemy ai and that's it
@kride500
2 ай бұрын
Yesss fall into the trap once more, you've been Todd Howarded
@lucktalgatti6647
3 ай бұрын
What is the sprint mod and combat mods?
@ParkityParkPark
23 күн бұрын
Important to note that Geometric Growth is by the same author as Exhaustion and Exercise and is intended as an ALTERNATIVE to Exercise. They do function together, but you'll be getting the stat growth from Exercise in addition to the stat growth on level up from Geometric Growth, so if you want to use them together make sure to adjust the MCM accordingly. (and no, he does not intend to patch them for use together because to him, Exercise sort of naturally grows geometrically)
@hysterical5408
Ай бұрын
I don't really like Skyrim Skill Uncapper and Static Skill Leveling Rewritten compared to the other mods on this list. From how it's described, it's basically just avoiding doing the skill you actually want to upgrade. I could level up using only a 2 handed sword, and then upgrade my sneak. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me and sounds just as much cheesing the game.
@smsfalah
2 ай бұрын
for some reason every time I level up my skill cap increases, by the time I'm level 20 my skill cap is around 400. And I don't know what is causing that
@millennial.doomer
3 ай бұрын
At this point, these mod authors just need to link up and start their own studio. This is insane🤣
@Peek0.0
3 ай бұрын
With Static Skill Leveling you can be a master enchanter without ever touching an enchanting table, or a master archer without ever shooting a bow. How does that make sense?
@LoneWanderer-nz7wc
2 ай бұрын
uhm how did u get Experience to work with the Skill Uncapper? it's giving me all sorts of errors atm
@KravenSomhayd
29 күн бұрын
Can someone tell me which settings remove the skill caps i have on the static skill levelling menu? Unlike in the video at 8:24 , mine has a cap ex. "Smithing 20/63". I have Experience, Skyrim Skill Uncapper, and Static Skill Levelling Rewritten mods downloaded. Thanks!
@plaguedoctorjeff857
26 күн бұрын
Take what I say with a grain of salt, but it seems that the static skill mod is giving a lot of people issues, for example no matter if i edit the .ini or mcm, none of what I change actually does anything, no matter what version of experience I use
@notcherbane3218
4 ай бұрын
I hated having to grind smithing And potions your level rises but fighting skill stay low
@mdmpzero
10 күн бұрын
please make a collection on nexus for all your mods
@chaosmadman8814
3 ай бұрын
Is there a mod on the Xbox version that is similar to the Experience mod?
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