Love this counter-intuitive thinking. Reminds me of a Baudrillard essay on the Bosnian Conflict, in which he claimed that underneath all the Western disgust at the Serbs ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims, lurked the realization that the Serbs were the representatives of the new Europe. forming a spearhead of Islamophobia and neo-fascism.
@yakovizbitser4703
6 жыл бұрын
What essay is that? That's an amazing insight that the ethnic cleansing Serbs are the future European right. It's coming true...
@katiemiaana
6 жыл бұрын
I will never look at climb every mountain in the same way again
@Thomistica
13 жыл бұрын
"One of the great achievements of Western civilization... The Sound of Music." Sounds like Žižek is the fan here.
@dannya1854
9 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a dishonest movie because it was Communists who were actively fighting the Nazis in their occupied territories, not modest democrats. I see what Zizek is talking about and I think he is correct. Old fashioned conservative family resisting Jewish bureaucrats was the general atmosphere of the entire film.
@grasd2
9 жыл бұрын
Zizek has more leverage than anyone to talk out of his ass occasionally. He throws every crazy inkling he has at the wall, and it sticks.
@neosoc
11 жыл бұрын
I love this guy: he is, to the contemporary left, the crazy uncle who gatecrashes Christmas dinner, gets out of his skull on the eggnog, and then launches into a lecture of the Foucaltian background of Barney the Dinosaur.
@MrBloody32
16 жыл бұрын
"You will discover, to cut a long story short, that they are precisely depicted as a kind of a..." In case you're not a native English speaker, "to cut a long story short" is a synonym for "basically" or "essentially." At 1:05 it's: "They are presented as anti-intellectual, rooted in a narrow life, world, and so on."
@mrzipdisk
14 жыл бұрын
@Tarvoc The production was very good, the music is very good, and of course its a Cinderella story which are always popular. Also its about escaping/outwitting the nazis which are the easiest and most readily available villans in 20th century cinema.
@GulizSahdur
16 жыл бұрын
I would say that if you take a closer look at most Hollywood films you could probably find very similar aspects. When you watch a film always consider gender relations, race relations, class relations and the ideology that is being presented to you. You will be amazed by what you find. Zizek could be right about this one. Very interesting indeed :)
@KajiCarson
16 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your reply! I love that movie, and I'm truly going to find that commentary.
@Firmus777
5 жыл бұрын
Good talk by Žižek, but the title of the video is terrible. Spelling aside, Žižek doesn't talk about The Sound of Music being racist, he talks about fascist undertones in the film. Fascism and racism are no synonyms.
@azhbaha
12 жыл бұрын
zizek wasn't expounding on racism at all. his point has to do with fasism. but you'd have to know what the fascist sentiment is composed of, before being able to discern it from a movie like this one.
@leostoltoy
14 жыл бұрын
Funny, I know a guy who wrote a review of Sound of Music about 15 years ago that argued that the Von Trapp family were "anti-Nazi fascists". I re-published some of his other film reviews online, now I wish I had published that one so I could compare it to Zizek's clever deconstruction!
@joshbuckler
15 жыл бұрын
Fair points. One of the things this discussion illustrates is the difficulty that one has in defining fascism as an ideology. It seems to me that Zizek's definition of fascism is more of an aesthetic than an ideology. In that vein, I'll mention one more thing here, and that is that I haven't immersed myself in fascist German popular culture. Zizek's point might be completely obvious to someone who lived through that era or studied it extensively.
@juliaisafilmbuff123
10 жыл бұрын
@OppressedAnarchist, that was not necessary.
@GisellaUnforgotten73
13 жыл бұрын
@Tarvoc It is VERY popular also in Italy..and..if you are from Germany, you might have seen Falco's video "The Sound of Musik" that was clearly inspired by the film..
@Audioventura
12 жыл бұрын
I find his observation quite brilliant. In my oppinion one must always consider the arbitrarity of the sign. This means that historically the construction of race is not a priori to put it in a very simple way a bad thing. Focuault argues that it has come into being as a part of a new way of conceiving history opposed to a history of the sovereign and becomes later colonialized by the state and produces a sort of hybrid form
@Budzilla24
13 жыл бұрын
almost forgot, like to point out that this is a small clip of a full-length movie covering some deep lacanian analysis, and that this is an example that really only makes sense in that context. Its funny that some take this as an incapsulated thought when in reality its nearly meaningless without the context of his wider views on our relationship with ideology. Anyway check it out, "Zizek: The Reality of the Virtual"
@almanacofsleep
13 жыл бұрын
@AlienZygote010 well actually almost all philosophers would say that they didn't really know everything, they don't try to explain anything, they just ask questions.
@KajiCarson
16 жыл бұрын
This guy should do DVD commentaries.
@emphryio
16 жыл бұрын
There is something in there to think about concerning this idea that being "good" means being simple. And that it so happens that fascistic political movements (in his opinion) attempt to appeal to that. And that some of how this film attempts to get you to sympathize with the good side is the same thing used by the fascistic political movements to appeal in real life to the populace...
@fromthesestones
16 жыл бұрын
I think of a line from Ezra Pound: "Wringing lilies from the acorn".
@pathkeepers
9 ай бұрын
Ohhh so that’s why I love that movie. Makes sense.
@dazzleworms
11 жыл бұрын
Precisely. Was a little disappointed not to hear him try to construct that argument.
@kehya
14 жыл бұрын
it doesn't matter if it's exactly true or not. the point is to make you think.
@Orgotheonemancult
3 жыл бұрын
I like Zizek, but aesthetics and costumes that he personally associates with fascism does not make a work secretly fascist, or whatever he is trying to imply here. Taken with regard to another video where he highlights the band Rammstein more or less "reclaiming" the aesthetic power of explicitly fascistic imagery in their live shows, it's so silly to then say that depicting a small provincial community as preferable to inner-city beauracracy (interesting that he chose to describe that as "jewish", btw, but whatever) as addressing "secret fascist dreams". Like, maybe it's okay for people to like the idea of living in a small, rural close-knit community? It maybe it's kind of sus to cavalierly characterize that as fascist? Stuff like this and his recurring apolectics to the authoritarian Chinese government makes me wonder about this dude sometimes...
@lyndonbailey3965
11 жыл бұрын
@Audioventura, does reading back the shortcomings of douglass' heteronormativity not simply an example of anachronism and reading our values into the past, it kind of strikes me as the inverse of 'Whig history'
@adityaranjit9564
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe,now just maybe,MAYBE it’s just a normal movie
@violante1421
3 жыл бұрын
It is a normal movie-analyses like these can be made with any film or work of literature, because human beings are making them.
@PeteUtonic
16 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but maybe not. This does not go beyond speculation.
@copyzawa
16 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! It seems that I have lots more work to do. I'm Japanese. Very interesting video. The word "Jew" seems irrelevant in this context. I think that's because it's hard for us Japanese to imagine what is like to be a Jew in Europe.
@kundakaps
2 жыл бұрын
Japan has the Burakumin. Though not akin to being a Jew in Europe and more like an Untouchable in India, the idea of an outcaste still resonates.
@TrotskyFC
13 жыл бұрын
I have been following his advice, looking at the movie's 'texture', and it is almost certainly not racist, it's a musical.
@itsallgoodman4108
Жыл бұрын
With fascist ether
@MrBloody32
14 жыл бұрын
@Tarvoc It might be because you're from Germany. I don't know if the movie was popular in Europe, but here in the US, it's the #3 movie of all time in terms of box office revenue.
@openbuddhistforuminternational
14 жыл бұрын
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@donluchitti
11 жыл бұрын
the problem with most of the people commenting against Zizeck's reading is that they don't respect the broader European heritage he came from, where there were real stereotypes of cosmopolitan Jews. After all, the Salons in Vienna where Freud and Kafka and many other foundational thinkers in philosophy and science were part of the classic European intellectual scene of the 19th century, preww2. Get a clue people.
@copyzawa
16 жыл бұрын
What is he saying on 0:48 "You will discover ... but they're" and on 1:05 "anti-intellectual brutal ... and so on"? I'm trying translating this into Japanese, just for my interest.
@jacobthelioneater
13 жыл бұрын
@AlienZygote010 Not to take away from a good metaphor, but the ability to know "every answer" was part of the reason philosophy sprouted. When metaphysics attempted to apply one morality to all situations, existentialists poped up, etc etc. Still, the practice of a philosopher is very much like that- they have to claim to "know" be become the true icons they are. They are headstrong because they indulge their creativity. Much like the Nietzschean overman, they "create" themselves.
@Moribus_Artibus
9 жыл бұрын
But... Rodgers and Hammerstein were both Jewish themselves and so were many people who worked in the film. Why would they embed Jewish characteristics into Nazis?
@prufenful
9 жыл бұрын
+dominoes37 Cosmopolitan characteristic. And the Nazi's were internationalists in real life.
@bluehoopz44
13 жыл бұрын
@gkioniskk i rlly dont get how the movie is racist.... i dont know if i am losing something in translation in this video but i just dont get what he is saying. could you explain by any chance?
@MrBloody32
16 жыл бұрын
He did a DVD commentary for Children of Men.
@MrBloody32
16 жыл бұрын
I used the word "racist" because Zizek points out the anti-semitic sentiments in the film. I guess "anti-semitic" would be more accurate than "racist," but "racism" is more of a buzzword and I thought that it would draw more people to the video.
@MisterKauffman
11 жыл бұрын
"Leave out all the singing aspect...."
@anomalek
14 жыл бұрын
"maybe you could even call it writing..." ! awesome
@jhgjghjhgjgh111
12 жыл бұрын
@babebeubaboon possibly the funniest misunderstanding i've ever heard
@lordpatthethird
7 жыл бұрын
this sounds a hell of a lot like what my mom thinks about this movie. Though she takes it as apologia rather than racism.
@Luke.hello.
11 жыл бұрын
yeah, the title was so hilarious for me when I first read it! I wanted to hear how he would justify this surreal idea so bad :D
@ayandabam
13 жыл бұрын
@Intelectual95 I would have to agree with rockit353. If you know anything about the radical left school ove the last three decades you'd know who Slavoj is and why he is so incredibly influential. If you have read his work and didn't comprehend them, I suggest you re-read them or get a study guide. Best of luck to you mate!
@alexalien2456
11 жыл бұрын
Zizek said: “The problem with Hitler was that he was not violent enough.” and recently: "If they don’t support SYRIZA then, in my vision of the democratic future, all these people will get from me a first class one-way ticket to a gulag.” So I wrote to Judith Butler about Zizek's Stalinist-fascism (and Badiou's anti-Semitism) and she wrote back saying: "You have an important set of points to make. I would like to see them in public, and hope that you will write something that can be published."
@MichaelShulski
16 жыл бұрын
Right, Zizek is anything but a post-modern conservative. I think he purposely parodies himself a lot. He is open to many interpretations.
@psylentknight
13 жыл бұрын
@Thomistica It could've been sarcasm, too.
@awwhellnogadammit
14 жыл бұрын
yeah, i do. it was a bad joke. now to clarify, the only version of julie andrews i'd bang is the sound of music one. thank you.
@TANTOSLOSNICKSCOGIOS
15 жыл бұрын
Ballard, DonDelillo, Zizek are Genius
@brchful
13 жыл бұрын
@ajaarg -- If you read more of him you would know that he is more critical of these people than anyone else
@godfreemorals
13 жыл бұрын
For some reason I keep thinking about Daffy Duck....
@Hrema
14 жыл бұрын
@kishore209 Pity us all you want, we have a far better understanding of his political "talks", since we come from the same political background as him. There are a lot of people here who have the same ideas about socialism, he just has a better way of putting it than the rest of them :P Besides when he talk internationally, in English he's a lot more careful about what he's saying ;)
@hemoglobbin
12 жыл бұрын
Žižek cannot surprise :)
@Audioventura
12 жыл бұрын
The second "Idea" comes from DeCerteau. (I'll skip all the philosophy you can read it yourself ;)): Can't we grasp this as a tactic? A cunning way of using a given mindset or framework, currently in the hands of a given power, to turn it against that said power and revert its contents. Another example that might be clearer: Frederic Douglass' narratives are known as an early manifesto of abolitionist movement. However if one focuasses on concepts of sex\gender his writings
@fromthesestones
16 жыл бұрын
To the tune of the 70s tootsie roll commercial. "The world looks mighty bleak to me Cause anti-Jews are all I see Whatever it is I think I see Becomes a fascist mole to me"
@rang4life41
13 жыл бұрын
best time watching Slavoj Zizek when I"m high :)
@anacrusa4431
11 жыл бұрын
no, but so close... How the differences on rhythymic organization and melodic pattern reflect on humans...
@Hrema
14 жыл бұрын
I think it's funny that people take him seriously :D He's a joke here in Slovenia XD
@paragonparadox
11 жыл бұрын
This clips seems a little mistitled. I watched this thinking that I would be listening to some crazy person but he actually makes a pretty interesting point.
@TemujinMSM
14 жыл бұрын
I get that but thats an interpretation one that is not obvious and probably not the directors intention. The Nazi's are not Jews and plenty of Jews probably ate shnitzel. Jews are not really mentioned but it is clear that the captain does not approve of the NAZIs and will not fight for them. He took a principled stand against participating in a war he thought was wrong. In this day and age story about a conscientious objector is not a bad message
@Aquarianbrass
16 жыл бұрын
The fact that you somehow relate this to Political correctness and postmodern relativism, which in themselves are nearly impossible to define, usually just phrases pulled out by conservatives when they presume someone is saying something that they think they shouldn't believe in, shows that you probably don't quite understand what this man is talking about.
@fromthesestones
16 жыл бұрын
Wringing lilies from the acorn.
@NecroButcher91
16 жыл бұрын
The fact that he concludes that the Nazis in the film are actually Jewish caricatures just shows how irrational people can be when discussing racial issues in the present climate of political correctness and postmodern reletavism.
@raju88
15 жыл бұрын
What would Zizek say about "Comment removed by author." LOL.
@zgirie
15 жыл бұрын
He is just a populist.....he likes to shock.....that is it!
@Darkon711
15 жыл бұрын
SOMEBODY enjoys taking themselves seriously...
@pixusbubblejet
14 жыл бұрын
But the bigger question is which subtext actually affects more people? And thus has more wide spread consequences? The blatant narrative that is easily noticed by many, or the more hidden alleged "virtual texture" narrative noticible only to few like Zizek?? LOL.
@awwhellnogadammit
15 жыл бұрын
well, i'm not a necropheliac. i meant back then,lol
@genesis098123
13 жыл бұрын
@Thomistica he says: one of the great achievments of western civilization a movie like the sound music , that and the way he say it, make me think that he is not a really big fan
@kitkatkathee
15 жыл бұрын
i can't even understand him.
@mojomanji
11 жыл бұрын
how did you come to that conclusion?
@zachgehring9441
5 жыл бұрын
A new layer: www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/abs5gi/til_that_during_the_filming_of_the_sound_of_music/
@MrClarkkerr
12 жыл бұрын
Quite funny and sounds plausable till you think who made the film. Its based on a Broadway musical by Rogers and Hammerstein, directed by Robert Wise and realeased by Metro-Goldwyn_Mayer. I very much doubt these guys were Nazi's rather it is a common cultural trope that the settled rural community closer to nature are the good guys and the urban outsiders are the bad guys. Avatar anyone?
@tomtube888
14 жыл бұрын
Slavoj Žižek =Michelangelo of 20cet no1 get him and his crazy fast mind Try to get in a live with him. He will blow your mind away with his thinking,with his energy & with his charizma. Genius or Lunatic (or new Micheangelo)
@youngpunk15
15 жыл бұрын
is it me or is MOST old entertainment classed as racist or not politically correct nowadays ? its a shame :/ some people are so funny about such little things in films or shows nowadays
@Hrema
14 жыл бұрын
@MrBloody32 It was very popular in Europe, I don't know anyone who hasn't heard of ot :)
@ageshero
12 жыл бұрын
I was told this is bigotry, not racism. ???
@monteurhulot
16 жыл бұрын
0:48: You will discover, to cut a long story short, that they're depicted precisely as a kind of small-ist, beautiful provincial fascists. 1:05 anti-illectual, rooted in narrow life-world and so-on.
@florydory
14 жыл бұрын
The young couple sings about the girl being so incompetent that the boy (who is only one year older) should make all of her decisions for her. Later, the character of Maria says sings about the joys of loosing her identity and the ability to think or act independently for herself once she is married and "belongs" to her husband. I am pretty sure that the movie is about exploiting the feminine while leading it to subjugation in a male dominated world. (Just kidding.)
@ArjeeBhajee
15 жыл бұрын
I think hes pushing it, really.
@MrMushroomBrain
12 жыл бұрын
you are very intresting, we would love to collaborate with you some day... Peace and Noise from the experimental band TRANSVESTITEstallion
@NecroButcher91
16 жыл бұрын
If you'd taken the opportunity to view my profile and look at some of the videos I've favorited and books I am fond of, you'd see that I am far from conservative. And if I don't know what Zizek is talking about, I would appreciate an explanation from someone more knowledgeable instead of an ad hominem attack.
@ajaarg
13 жыл бұрын
And he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is. Neither are his cultists (english graduate students writing theses on psychoanalytic marxist feminism in buffy the vampire slayer in an upscale coffee shop in a gentrified area of some college town)
@2ltben
15 жыл бұрын
His logic is pretty messy. It seems like he's grasping at the wrong straws to justify himself.
@olderthanyouLouisville
16 жыл бұрын
Can we get some subtitles please? It sounds like he's chewing a mayonnaise sandwich while speaking.
@EnLugal
13 жыл бұрын
Why can't this guy just learn normal english?
@hockneyfication
7 жыл бұрын
The fascist dream longs to bring back and adore the old pagan gods which the Jews, with their great civilising and probably even greater emancipatory achievement stemming from the one true G-d, had long left behind. It represents a regress in terms of development and the search for truth and psychological integrity.
@karoloandria
13 жыл бұрын
his aksent is ohsom
@sksupply
7 жыл бұрын
All this movie reminds me of is a beautiful country with strong culture and identity, which most countries of Europe have lost due to another invasion of the present time.
@TheSpiritOfTheTimes
5 жыл бұрын
LOL, where do they breed you people? You certainly don't live in Europe, maybe some basement somewhere
@MrBloody32
16 жыл бұрын
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement, but you should know that Zizek is very much against political correctness and that it would most likely not influence his views.
@jimbopumbapigsticks
14 жыл бұрын
Fucking hell, can't people take a break from being "intellectual" and just watch a movie without the fatuous analysis?
@MIGUEL2005LIMA
16 жыл бұрын
karikature of kosmopolitan ,dekandent corupted JEW?pure prejudice.
@JensReuterberg
13 жыл бұрын
@MrBloody32 it was very popular in most of Europe... sadly. Its a crap movie. But as you say Tarvoc propably hasn't heard of it since he's German.
@mashetskih
15 жыл бұрын
janek, you made me LOL
@Darkon711
15 жыл бұрын
I've never seen this movie, or even heard of it until about now for that matter (musicals ain't my bag). I'll I'm here to say is one thing: doesn't this guy sound like a Slovenian version of Jerry Lewis? He's got that weird "swishing" effect to his voice, heh.
@TemujinMSM
14 жыл бұрын
It still doesn't make this a NAZI propaganda film. Otherwise the NAZI's wouldn't be the bad guys. It also doesn't make it anti Jewish unless you consider Jews to be automatically decadent. I tend to think there is a real culture that is being destroyed by corruption. Its called Americanization or westernization( Europes where the more sophisticated version of this comes from lol) and within America or Europe this consumerism is destroying the real culture. Its not about religion its culture
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