Thank you for hosting us in your Varusto! What an awesome, inspirational space.. Thank you also for this detailed overview of your sleep system. We’re looking to build a system for ourselves and are in the education process Many are recommending using a down bag inside of a synthetic bag during winter. This seems contrary to the popular body-insulation technique for static/low activity, which uses down as the outer-most layer, in order to maximize its loft Their rationale is that the synthetic bag goes on the outside in order to alleviate the down bag of moisture build up. Yes it is true that the final layer which connects with the atmosphere will collect condensation but… We’re wondering what you think of the following layering concept for winter: 0: Body 1: Sleeping bag liner 2: Summer weight synthetic sleeping bag 3: 3-Season down sleeping bag 4: Lightweight bivvy or blanket The idea here is that the sleeping bag liner and synthetic bag will not only accumulate some of the escaping moisture, but more importantly reduce compression of the down bag; which maximizes down loft and allows whatever residual moisture to collect on the fourth layer This concept aims to implement multiple lightweight layers in order to increase flexibility for year-round use as well as reduce the total weight of each individual layer. We sympathize with your comment of not wanting to lug a heavy Carinthia bag around! Excited for your feedback on this and we’re very grateful for your guidance Cheers, Team Theta
@TaivalOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
Good points. Inside a closed shelter the outmost bag will collect moisture from condensation, but of course your own body creates moisture inside of the bag(s) as well. Therefore especially when using a bivvy bag and a liner, I don't think there's much of a difference is which way around you'd layer synthetic and down bags. I have a video where I layered two down bags as well. It's also important, if possible, to change into dry and clean base layer before getting into a sleeping bag, as you don't want to bring extra moisture from your clothes inside of the bag. During above zero temps (or with a hot tent) however the situation changes, and I have a habit of drying socks or even gloves inside the bag with my body heat.
@DeepTheta
Жыл бұрын
@@TaivalOutdoors Thank you for this perspective. Much appreciated! It seems your experience with down bags has been positive. Wondering then if fears of moisture accumulation in down bags is over exaggerated… We travel a lot, but primarily in the Tropic of Cancer. Perhaps synthetic bags are best suited for Equatorial and Capricorn locations which can be much more humidity-rich? If yes, our only real concern for a down bag then would be performance over a period of 5 days or more during a very rainy week, which do occur in our area (The Great Lakes). These trips during portage season are spent entirely on water Absolutely, wearing dry layers to sleep is critical. Evan from Hill People Gear mentioned that drying out day-layers (including torso and leg layers) in his sleeping bag is the most reliable method (incl. hot tents) We’re still new to the outdoors but understand that testing is the only way to really know what works for you and what doesn’t. It is still very helpful to receive guidance and wisdom from those who have been walking the path longer Thank you again for everything, Team Theta
@TaivalOutdoors
Жыл бұрын
Hmm, for those conditions I'd probably go with synthetic bag. Yes, down bags have improved in the past decade a lot, even the most basic ones now seem to come with some type of DWR treated down or whatnot. But once you get them wet, they can be really hard to get back into usable state especially in field conditions.
@mitavittuanyttaas
2 жыл бұрын
I have Carinthia m/05 with liner which i bought in 2007. Still serving me well even though it has been packed in a rucksack 6 months straigh every once in a while with little to no service at all. For years i used it exclusively in all conditions. Last summer i picked up Carinthia tropen for summer time use. I hope it holds up as good as the old m/05.
@TaivalOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
That's great to hear, I expect nothing less from mine!
@74Noose
7 күн бұрын
Great clip! Kiitos
@TaivalOutdoors
5 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@GreatnessOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, my friend. I am jealous of your setup in your room that you have for storing all your gear. That is something I need to work on for myself. Right now, I am really happy with the gear that I own. I just need to organize it better so I can actually find the things I need when I go on a trip. The problem is I just don't have much space to work with in my house. I like how you have multiple small storage bins. I have everything in one big bin, and it is a pain going through it to find things. I'd love to see a video of how you organize and store your gear at home if you get a chance. Thanks again for the great video.
@TaivalOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! This room was one of my main wishes for when we were looking for a house, and it has certainly served me well. I store there all camping equipment for the whole family (hence the empty hooks in the ceiling in this video) and it keeps all camp fire smoke smelling clothes and gear out of the main building, so the missus stays happy as well. Will have to do a proper tour video in the near future 👍
@Giskeoutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome breakdown Taival! I'm actually in the process of building a hanging system for all my bags as well, so nice to see how you did it.
@TaivalOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Currently I'm in the process of figuring out how (and where) to hang my snowshoes and possibly pulk as well. 😅
@Giskeoutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
@@TaivalOutdoors I'm lucky I have a big garage. Second pulk just arrived in the mail😅
@artturireinikainen813
2 жыл бұрын
Miul on noita Carinthian pusseja....defence 1 ja 4....saman firman bivy...defence ykkösen ja nelosen laittaa samaa nii tulee hemmetin hyvä talvipussi mil pärjää yli kolmenkympin pakkasil
@ollakalla1
2 жыл бұрын
fantastic video! just a thought. what about condensation in use with down bag and the velar bivy, in the winter times?
@TaivalOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Good question! For me, the condensation has been a bigger issue during late fall, when air moisture is high during the night and especially if I throw wet socks inside the sleeping bag (to dry them during the night). In the winter months whatever condensation there is, is still a lesser evil than letting the down sleeping bag lay on snow.
@caritapackalen8011
2 жыл бұрын
Olen miettinyt bivyä, kostuuko se sisäpuolelta kylmällä ilmalla? Mikä niistä olisi hyvä?
@TaivalOutdoors
2 жыл бұрын
Tuohon kostumiseen vaikuttavat lämpötilaerot, ilmankosteus sekä tietty nukkujan omien vaatteiden kosteus tai hikoilu. Hyvänä puolena on se, että jos kosteutta tulee kylmällä (pakkasella), niin bivvyn voi aamulla kääntää sisäpuoli ulospäin. Kosteus jäätyy nopeasti ja jään voi pyyhkiä/ravistaa irti helposti. Ylipäätänsä noiden kuivattaminen aamuisin on paljon helpompaa kuin makuupussien. Hanki sellainen bivvy mikä vastaa tarpeitasi. Esimerkiksi minulle vedenpitävyys on tärkeintä, koska nukun yleensä ilman maavaatetta ja melko avoimessa majoitteessa. Toisaalta jos nukkuisin lähinnä teltan sisällä, niin hengittävämpi ja lähinnä tuulenpitävä kuori voisi toimia riittävänä bivvynä suojaamaan makuupussia ja antamaan hieman lisälämpöä. Jos bivvy on tarpeeksi iso, sen sisälle saa sujautettua myös makuualustan.
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