This episode brings alot of nostalgia with how it's similar to the beginning and older episodes of Tweek Talks. I would love to see more of this!
@MasterAbeer101
Жыл бұрын
Congrats to Marcus as well with his future child :)
@monkey9186
Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how unconfident Tweek sounded going into this tournament, you would never expect it watching the way he played at the end. Honestly this weekend proved for me at least that when Tweek is on point with Diddy, he’s the best player in the world. He ran laps around Ken and Shuton, and honestly looked unbeatable. Props to him and good luck with your character crisis, just know I’m rooting for the diddy
@perriwinkleiii5361
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best episodes in a while, and it was honestly mostly a therapy session for Tweek 😂 But it will be very useful as second-hand therapy for myself and a lot of others trying to succeed in Ultimate
@TiramisuSPD
Жыл бұрын
Tweek’s rant was so validating for me. I love Ult, but I fight someone at/above my level and I just feel like neither player has control over the situation and it’s up to guesses who wins
@sauce8277
Жыл бұрын
It’s true. These games are at their core legitimately a Rock Paper Scissors. I think this is why MKLEO likes Byleth, as well. People think it’s only because of the spacing control. I think he doesn’t agree with playing that coin flip game. By playing a character like Byleth, he gets subjected to weaknesss the character has. But in his mind, at least he will know exactly how he lost and how he won. Kinda has a lot of the mix they talk about and the killing needed to control. My opinion though. He’s talked about to before.
@yellowtitan6040
Жыл бұрын
I've barely even played fighting games but they've always struck me as Rock Paper Scissors with guesses due to human reaction time limitations. Seems way too frustrating to try and get good at
@sauce8277
Жыл бұрын
@@yellowtitan6040 That is a neutral thing. The definition of neutral is creating pressure at a neutral position. Some characters have better tools for safe pressure. By doing this you take away their options, removing, say, the Rock choice from their choices of Rock Paper Scissors. I WILL SAY not many characters actually have strong options in this game other then the trap characters. More characters in this game have more up close tools or just straight far away, making most of them punishable at mid range. So if your looking to get some we’d, and you believe that neutral isn’t important in this game, then focus on characters that cover more options up close….but make sure they have a reliable way to get in. Or you can just do the Leo and follow how he thinks the future of them game is played(and not shield/run away lol)
@CaptainFracture
Жыл бұрын
Bro what are you talking about 💀
@sauce8277
Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainFracture Yeah I realize I’m talking(EDIT: ABOVE)the person’s skill level. Most of it is probably French to them(and you). Lol but it’s Valuable if someone wants to get wins at any level
@arcadia6081
Жыл бұрын
This episode was FANTASTIC. Getting a glimpse into the minds of people who are surrounded by the highest calibur of play and hearing their thoughts on the meta/character picks/phases of the game is so interesting and engaging. I'd love to see more of this!
@sauce8277
Жыл бұрын
Around 20:46 is some of the best conversation I have ever heard from a Smash content. They talk about the specifics of what makes characters good and what tools are the best for this game.
@riosaceelite6969
Жыл бұрын
Tweek Food for thought: 1: Diddy Kong is the way 2: Ever considered foot stool oos ->banana down throw->f smash to help kill earlier. 3: You tend to prioritize winning neutral by throwing banana and at high percent you get them off stage-> then you pull banana while their off stage which allows them to get to stage fairly safely->which leads to you needing more neutrals to win-> which gives your opponents more opportunities to come back. How do you combat this issue?-> Perhaps when your opponent is at higher percent you could try winning neutral with normals/specials, while holding banana, so you can then use it in advantage state or edge guards to help you confirm kills earlier. 4: Diddys bad match ups need to be covered by a character that you enjoy, makes you comfortable, and wins the match up. If a character doesn’t fit all 3 of these then it doesn’t synergize with you enough. Hopefully this helps you find a break through because ultimately you are the expert and you can do it. The podcast team is awesome and I’ll be rooting for you this weekend.
@Ericspil790
Жыл бұрын
Lol people have been overrating cloud to the point they are dead ass comparing wolf with cloud. Just wow
@andrebaxter4023
Жыл бұрын
Right? Cloud and Sephiroth are pretty much both high tier and no more. Spargo is just really good at using Cloud. Hence the hype around the character.
@randomguy8107
Жыл бұрын
Charles : "You don't know who is gonna win this tournament" My brain : "You don't know how much Leo will care"
@blitztv6452
Жыл бұрын
HAPPY FOR YOU PINK! TWEEEEEEK TALKSSSS
@dwhitt44
Жыл бұрын
Tweek- Marcus had a really good point about “clip diddy.” Your gameplay (and results) is night and day when you’re loose and bold vs tight and safe. An easy example is your gameplay at the Summit you won on the final day (loose, bold, much bigger combos) vs the earlier days (tight, a little scared, etc.) You play a lot more linear when you’re not loose, and try to solve too many problems with repeatedly throwing banana. Predictable banana works less often to create neutral openings, and that plus smaller ‘safer’ combos means you lose the war of attrition vs characters that can explode you off of one opening
@dwhitt44
Жыл бұрын
Big fan and I try and watch a lot of your tournaments btw. Keep doing your thing, rooting for you :)
@StepCat
Жыл бұрын
okay here are my thoughts: i SO related to gavin's thoughts about neutral with "normal" characters, and I think the main reasons why it feels so non-fluent, and like a coinflip, is because he is intentionally and only picking up these characters to *win*. Like their sole purpose is to win against the characters diddy loses to, so tweek plays extra safe and maybe even "tries too hard", and I think with this mindset you simplify the game to a mere coinflip, as you take out all the creativity and spontaneity that is needed to win not just "by chance". So my advise would be to pick up a secondary like cloud or whatever and just play a bit more mindlessly, more for fun and with creativity, try to clip people etc. And then if you feel like you can play the character beyond just fundies again, then use them in tournaments or locals. Same thing actually applies for diddy, in tournaments tweek often simplifies the characters by only picking the "safe" options, but with that you have to work so much harder to win. Bascially, trust your abilities to play the game, which you have, a bit more and play more into the flow. (like you did against leo btw). Now characters I personally believe to never touch wolf again cause the characters just isn't that great once you're into a stacked top 8, cloud is an option but it's hard to get into the flow there without much time invested, wario is ofc an option but can be tough mentally, and yes sorry I actually believe pt would not be too bad.... as you need cheese in this meta and against the bad diddy mu's and ivy dair is good cheese. or just pick jr cause he goes even with fox, steve and kazuya but im don't wanna invalidate everything i just said so just forget i said that
@lokks2130
Жыл бұрын
You know that he just wrote this all so he could say Bowser JR goes even with Fox, Steve and Kazuya at the end
@lokks2130
Жыл бұрын
Nvm I saw the end of ur comment LMAO i respect it
@StepCat
Жыл бұрын
@@lokks2130 💀💀 i thought about changing my profile picture so that my opinion won't be disregard frame 1 LMAOO
@axelnilsson2031
Жыл бұрын
Disagree partially. Those characters have lot of room for creativity. Tweek just doesn't access it because he can't because he's too focused on picking the best safest options at any given point. You limit yourself a ton by only picking safe options, like with the cloud bair, if you just do it in the safest way possible then that is way more punishable than if you mix it up and make a mind game out of the way you use it like Sparg0 does. Doing that will have you throwing out some bairs that are highly punishable on paper but in practice they end up being punished less than the bairs of someone who mostly does them in the one safest way. Reacting properly when you don't know what to expect, even if you have the frames to punish something chances are you wont get a punish anyway if that something came out of the blue. Tweek hesitates too much and plays too safe, and that holds him back, it makes him predictable. Its like he's lost confidence in his ability to make reads and get into peoples head in order to run them over. The game is all about coin flips, even with Diddy, that's something you just have to accept. And if you want to get into someone's head you have to be willing to flip coins, because thats how you gather data and also condition to a degree. The alternative is being predictable. The coin flips you do with Diddy just favor you more than your opponent. But that's compensated for by Diddy needing to win more coin flips than his opponent does in order to take a game.
@lokks2130
Жыл бұрын
@@StepCat 😂
@MerryBlind
Жыл бұрын
Tweek saying nothing is safe when talking about Wolf is hilarious to me
@deavinbarnhizer3509
Жыл бұрын
I love fighting wolf
@rurounijay7100
Жыл бұрын
Deadass wolf is nothing but safe and charles or haz said "nothing about wolf is overtuned" my brother in christ he has 5 2 frames, back air kills extremely early, down smash, f tilt, up tilt shit most of his kit. Literally has a sword hitbox on his little claws its ridiculous.
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
Wolf is busted but he can be kind of easy to beat because you know what they're gonna do almost every time. That said, Jackal is cracked.
@sunny_dany
Жыл бұрын
@@rurounijay7100 brother bair is the only move that’s somewhat safe and even then parry makes wolfs kit unsafe on shield.
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
@@sunny_dany Wait parries are that good against Wolf? Looks like I know what to practice. I fight too many Wolf mains.
@prismescape1887
Жыл бұрын
I picked up Palutena to participate in my first in-person tournaments post quarantine, and this was after she became "just" another top tier. She actually taught me a lot about the game and how to layer neutral options, like landing aerial into their shield --> next time tomahawk grab their shield --> next time landing and wait for them to do an option OOS and punish. Palutena's neutral entirely works around kill options that secure from any of those scenarios. She just gets outranged very often, has a bad counter/reflect, and has very bad OOS herself.
@lokks2130
Жыл бұрын
Palutena does not get outranged often
@Cobalt777
Жыл бұрын
Tweeks reaction when Haz says Kazuya is sick killed me lol
@bendbzs8023
Жыл бұрын
30:12
@sonov6305
Жыл бұрын
Haz’s Bayo to Belmonts analogy was spot on, Tweek is too used to the freedom that Diddy has that he can’t adjust to other more grounded characters regardless of their benefits
@drewboden6981
Жыл бұрын
Tweek is gonna have a character crisis this entire games lifetime lol
@JonnyJayKhan
Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's because Diddy typically holds banana and walks and crawls a lot and goes for down tilts and monkey flips, so that when he goes someone like cloud of wolf who has mostly safe aerials or the occasional grab mix up to approach with it just doesn't translate. Kind of like if some mains game and watch it's hard for them to play other characters
@diglettdigdig
Жыл бұрын
So much talk about characters but not enough about getting better, learning play styles and adaptation. Yes characters make a difference and there are always bad matchups but there is not enough emphasis on training and learning. I was honestly shocked at how much Leo's Byleth had improved and adapted to people learning the Byleth matchup at Ludwig's from previous tourneys. It was actually incredible to see.
@robertduffin1
Жыл бұрын
Yeeeessss!!! Don’t get me wrong, I always enjoy the tourney talk but, I’m so happy to see a return to some bigger smash topics!!
@prathameshjadhav7250
Жыл бұрын
This episode actually was one of the best ones tbh. You guys rock ! Completely agree with most of Charles logic he tried really hard to get through.. coz yes in this stupid meta if even Leo needs couple secondaries to cover bad match ups, everyone needs to have atleast one good secondary character if competing in tournaments. And wolf &/or cloud is absolutely that answer for you Tweek. My only advice would be to get some tips from Jakal who is one of your besties, and trust that if you even put 10% time in wolf of what you have put into Diddy you will start feeling more confident in him too, just needs some time and patience. Since like Marcus said when you are stress free and just playing for fun, my god it’s insane what you are able to do in this game. So I know it’s freaking difficult, but try and relax, you are really one of the best smash players ever in most ppls minds that understand even a little bit about this crazy game, and the less you are trying to prove that, the less you feel the obvious accompanying pressure, and the more tweek magic we automatically end up seeing. All the best !
@mrmonstergaia
Жыл бұрын
I think Wario’s actually probably really nice with Diddy just because he compliments Diddy’s lack of airspeed really well. Watching Tweek fight against like Sisqui and Riddles it was like he’d go to the air to escape but his only options were monkey flip or fall in about the same spot with an aerial or something so eventually you get caught. With Wario you have so much ambiguity in the air, and he also gets rewarded for not interacting imo with waft so you’re always building a win condition
@_Uptilt
Жыл бұрын
I can definitely see where Tweek is coming from. Diddy just has so many options in every situation, and you always have the option to outplay without doing the rock paper scissors in neutral. Very few characters have as much room for personal expression as Diddy does. Joker is one who comes to mind.
@mattcarter6015
Жыл бұрын
would love to see tweek revisit joker with a new outlook. but only if he really wants to play him of course
@WesleyFiles
Жыл бұрын
I loved Charles' and Pink's input this episode. They made fantastic points, and offered great advice to Tweek and the listeners who might want to apply it. I hope Tweek considers the advice further.
@joshuateer
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see a Tweek Shulk. Tweek with a game breaking move like monado would afford him the creativity he’s talking about
@jj6148
Жыл бұрын
Tweek peach would be scary af
@2FadeMusic
Жыл бұрын
Sh*lk is boring
@Premortal_Blight
Жыл бұрын
Tweek peach is the timeline I want
@masondegrazia
Жыл бұрын
Tweek needs to talk to Leo - Leo recently said he “figured something out” about the game (probably something about neutral or advantage). I think a perspective change could help tweek a lot
@countless0426
Жыл бұрын
I've watched every single episode so far and I've been waiting for an episode like this ❤ Don't get me wrong I love all the episodes covering events and tournaments, but it's great to hear you all talk about other subjects!
@_tnk_
Жыл бұрын
great episode! love the raw emotions and not holding anything back
@fireatack
Жыл бұрын
I clearly see Charles' frustration or dilemma against Tweek. He wants to coach him but that's not his job, but he wants Tweek to get better, but I still want to be a good friend... Like Tweek is the best but also clearly has immaturity when it comes to competitiveness. But at the same time, that's what makes us love and root for Tweek and maybe that's why he is so good. Gosh, it's hard.
@FlappyCat-ef6oq
Жыл бұрын
Tweek was just pivoting because Charles talking too long gets boring lol
@GadielVaStar
Жыл бұрын
What competitiveness?
@alh1618
Жыл бұрын
I just want to say I beat my bracket demon going Wolf because I thought "What would Tweek do?" I spammed laser for 7 minutes and won with 1 second left. Thank you Tweek :)
@DeadRyGuy
Жыл бұрын
This was a great episode, even if it was less structured. The chaos was fun! I think guest perspectives on the meta would be interesting to see. In terms of 'figuring out ultimate', that is kinda the million dollar question. As much as it's kinda become a meme, I do think slingshot has more (untapped) potential with certain characters. Allows for safer mix-ups which I think Tweek prefers. Honestly, I'm waiting for someone to figure out whatever it was the Leo figured out before Ludwig's. Maybe someone better than me will be able to analyze his sets there; he was pretty clear that he realized something about the game. It would be a huge coincidence if whatever it was didn't lead to his dominant performance at the invitational.
@pineful4861
Жыл бұрын
Haz and Chuck have been some of my favorite commentators for a long time. Glad we have a podcast with the two of them and glad their commentating careers have been going so well.
@Burstofwar
Жыл бұрын
Alright, time for me to get on my soap box. I really think Tweek is underestimating himself. He’s talking so much about his secondaries and how to use them when he can basically go solo Diddy anyway. The only people that have beaten him recently have been Riddles, Acola, Light, and Gluto. They all went to game 5 too. Like, bruh, you can do it with Diddy if you just keep grinding and like learn whoever beats Pac-Man solidly I guess idk.
@nickhonen3241
Жыл бұрын
def this, he can easily get back to top 4/3 placings with solo diddy and then he'd have a whole new confidence/mental boost that he can actually do it with solo diddy. Just needs to win one of those gatekeeper sets and hes already close
@AnorakDovahkiin
Жыл бұрын
I found Tweek Talks during when tournament recap was the norm and I really enjoy that style. This episode was awesome, tho! It was nice to hear a ton of different general topics and I continually look forward to the next release.
@hasanmubarak8824
Жыл бұрын
Here's my completely insane idea: play ALL of the characters. Every single character that you're good with, just play them, but only in the matchups that they completely dominate. Diddy, Wolf, Cloud, Wario, PT, Sephiroth, DK, Roy, Aegis, everyone. Embrace your inner Rizeasu and unleash chaos on your opponents. If Smash Ultimate is a dumb, coin-flipping, matchup-fishing game, maybe you just gotta fight fire with fire. I think you're good enough at this game to where you can just beat people, even top 10 players, with just pure fundamentals assuming the matchup is good enough. And hey, even if that doesn't work out, maybe just the very process of going through this will help you finally solve this character crisis. When you lay out all of your options on the table, you could find out which ones actually click and which ones should be retired.
@doctorkracko
Жыл бұрын
This would be INSANE. I love it
@2FadeMusic
Жыл бұрын
that's the zackray
@DedikateSSB
Жыл бұрын
this is one of my favorite episodes so far, maybe my favorite. it was a lot of rambling and thats what i like, it feels more like an actual conversation
@StormySensei
Жыл бұрын
I think the crux of Tweek's MU dilemma is that he'll swap off Diddy to avoid a 4-6 MU into a "top tier" that only has a 6-4 MU, *and* literally everyone in the world has more Cloud/Wolf exp than Diddy.
@monkey9186
Жыл бұрын
True
@koenpassier4001
Жыл бұрын
Great episode! Would love to see Tweek secondary shulk:)
@RubixNinja
Жыл бұрын
In the end, Tweek seems to prefer a character that is hard to hit/kill, has excellent neutral, and doesn't rely on aggressive play. He doesn't want to feel forced into making death touch combos, he doesn't like having to take risks. I can see how Diddy fits. Diddy is light, but is very evasive. Pyra/Myra is too linear. Wolf isn't evasive enough, same with cloud. Sephiroth is too easy to hit, and requires aggressive play. Donkey Kong is heavy but is touch of deathed too easy. If I were to think of a different character that works for tweeks playstyle would be Bowser Jr. and Pokemon Trainer. Bowser Jr has tricky movement and is heavy(obviously it wouldn't be a main due to some match-ups)there is some synergy with his mechakoopa and Diddy banana, it is a mechanic that is not nearly as explored, and Pokemon Trainer has everything.
@chiliandcornbread09
Жыл бұрын
PT doesn’t have very good movement options and you’re often forced to take risks to get a kill (even if you can kill at 60)
@neilzaruba2223
Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way a tweek and I play zss, been looking for a secondary for awhile. From the sounds of it it sounds like you need a character that can mix up the mid range RPS rather than having a predictable answer to each situation. Since you play a character who can win the mid range but thrives in the short range more you need someone who can also play that game. These characters might be long shots but maybe giving ness, Mario, peach, joker, Game & Watch, or greninja a try. I feel these characters all fall into different archetypes but they all have decent mid range tools that can pressure while also being able to thrive in the short range. Just my thoughts:)
@monkey9186
Жыл бұрын
True
@axelnilsson2031
Жыл бұрын
You limit yourself a ton by only picking safe options, like with the cloud bair, if you just do it in the safest way possible then that is way more punishable than if you mix it up and make a mind game out of the way you use it like Sparg0 does. Doing that will have you throwing out some bairs that are highly punishable on paper but in practice they end up being punished less than the bairs of someone who mostly does them in the one safest way. Reacting properly when you don't know what to expect is hard. Even if you have the frames to punish something chances are you wont be getting the punish anyway if that something came out of the blue and wasn't what you were expecting. Reaction time is misunderstood. People who react immediately do so because they saw something coming, not because they have faster reaction times, and vice versa when it comes to slow reactions. Sparg0 can bair someones shield unsafely and still stuff their punish with an up-b because by the time they've figured out the bair was unsafe and proceed to try and punish it they've lost a couple of frames. Tweek hesitates too much and plays too safe and methodically and that holds him back, it makes him predictable. Him feeling like he needs a character with very safe options in order to play neutral says a lot. Its like he's lost confidence in his ability to freestyle and make reads and get into peoples head and make them feel like they are playing a certain game, that you then change just as your opponent starts to catch on.If youre in someones head you can keep moving the goal post to stay in their head like that. Leo, Sparg0, Light, Riddles, and Acola do this a lot, to mention a few. Even Dabuz does it despite being a very defensive player in general. The game is all about coin flips at a fundamental level, even with Diddy, that's something you just have to accept. If you want to get into someone's head you have to be willing to flip coins, because that's how you gather data and condition. The alternative is being predictable and if you're predictable then you have to play fucking perfect if you still want to win and that's just not possible to do consistently. The coin flips you do with Diddy favor you more than your opponent. But that's compensated for by Diddy needing to win more coin flips than his opponent does in order to take a game, Diddy really isn't special in this regard. I dno man, I feel like Tweek both overestimates and underestimates himself. He overestimates his ability to just play perfect with Diddy and win that way, and underestimates his ability to just play on instinct, to freestyle and run people over with high paced fundamentals. I think Tweek is fully capable of playing the kind of fast paced rush down style that Kola and Light play for instance. And unlike those two he's also really good at slowing it down. If he were to switch gears midgame more, like play passively only to suddenly switch into offensive freestyling mode and then back into passive just as the opponent is starting to adjust then he'd do better. That's what Zero did with his Diddy back in Sm4sh, he weaponized the pace of his games by controlling that pace. Now it's like Tweek's relying too much on being passive and defensive, and when a game goes poorly for him he turtles up even more. To the point where he misses out on opportunities to punish because he's so focused on not getting hit. And to the point where his opponents know that the chances of him throwing out a move is so low that they can go for unsafe baits and pressure harder than they normally would be able to, and then it snowballs. We've seen that happen in so many games. It's like he's forgotten that he's a player who can do both styles and switch seamlessly between them at will and has started to think of himself as a purely defensive player. By sticking to a slow pace far too much, he loses out on the ability to weaponize pacing. The reason Tweeks Wario and Wolf don't work anymore is also not just because Tweek is too defensive and feels uncomfortable in neutral with them. It's also because his punish game with those two characters just isn't strong enough for them to get him the results he wants. His Wolf is solid but doesn't have any x-factor, and its the same with Wario to a large extent. Consequently he is unable to take stocks in situations where the people who actually main those characters can and do. The meta has evolved and the average top player now is a lot better than 2 years ago. You can no longer get away with playing a good character and having top level fundies. You need to have a top level punish game. When you do you can get away with playing less safe and mixing things up more. Characters like Wolf and Cloud feel stiff to Tweek in large part because he has to play them methodically while making very few mistakes in order to win because he can't just risk eating a punish every now and then because his offensive capabilities are not enough to compensate for that. If he wants to be a top 5 player again he's gotta figure this shit out.
@ln8496
Жыл бұрын
A coin flip that favors you more than your opponent is not a coin flip lmao. Coon flip implies a 50/50
@axelnilsson2031
Жыл бұрын
@@ln8496 Maybe, but you know what I'm getting at irregardless. I think coin flip in this context just means randomness, not necessarily implying a 50/50 chance. Tweek certainly didn't use it in a way that would imply that he was referring to 50/50s in particular. My usage of the term coin toss is based on my interpretation of how tweek used it in the video. 50/50 is as established term within smash terminology too. He could've (and likely would've) used that if that's what he wanted to say.
@caliensomlak3984
Жыл бұрын
Diddy Kong min min is the answer. Insane matchup coverage. No neutral needed.
@onewingedangel2461
Жыл бұрын
This was honestly a really cool and relatable topic that came from Tweek’s rant. I myself play Palu albeit at a local level but we have our fair share of solid players who use the new meta picks. Palu is a great character all around but like Tweek was saying with the simplicity and lack of X factor it is very noticeable. Palu can of course get you from 0-50 pretty easily but after that unless you get a gimp or are getting a jump read with up-air, you’re going to have to win 5 or more neutral interactions before you get to her average kill percent of around 130 or so. When there’s characters who can do that same 0-50 and even potentially take stocks with that same exact interaction you get to really see the difference so much so that I am enjoying trying out those X-Factor characters now. I think it’s also the reason now when you watch the real stacked majors the top Palu, Wolf or other cookie cutter top tier mains hardly ever make it to top 8 and if they do they’re usually out at 7th (Lui$ was a prime example of that this year). All in all though it’s interesting to see how this game will still evolve and still looking forward to playing it. Again this was a cool topic brought up this week
@bonni4493
Жыл бұрын
Great podcast! The Seph/Diddy was my favorite duo personally!
@IceeSwirl
Жыл бұрын
Tweek should tryout Yoshi no joke. Character does very well vs FP2, has those tricky mix-ups, and has that, "Oh Kazuya hit me? I'll just hit him back." factor that Pink brought up. Yoshi does 60%+ combos/strings in his sleep, really consistent kill confirms, and some of the best edgeguarding in the game. Best air drift in the game and has the tools to utilize it so well 🤹♂️
@Man-dr6mc
Жыл бұрын
For coinflips in midrange either wait/timing mixup, microspace, bait an option, or slingshot. I feel like going into situations thinking they're coinflips kinda limits how you'll approach it
@playboybrendo103
Жыл бұрын
Goodluck this weekend at Port Priority 7 you were really close last year. You got this !
@Zalezus
Жыл бұрын
@Charles: In Rivals of Aether, there is a character that spawns a single platform. So Platform fighters *have* seen this mechanic, albeit in a limited capacity.
@ellachino4799
Жыл бұрын
but kragg's thing is way less flexible / obstructive than blocks
@Zalezus
Жыл бұрын
Still a new weird platform mechanic. It exists as a unique thing in the genre regardless of utility.
@alchemiist
Жыл бұрын
I will say, this was one of the funniest episodes I’ve seen in a little bit. I really am enjoying you guys talking about characters and stuff. I really hope you guys discuss Banjo and Kazooie as a character, there is talk that this character is hella underrated which I absolutely agree with, and I wanna hear what y’all think about them. As for Tweek and Port Priority, I’d say keep Diddy locked in as your character, I would encourage you to go into this tournament with a Diddy Wolf combo, and see how you do. Good luck! Great episode as always guys
@WarrenValion
Жыл бұрын
That Charles rant was amazing.
@yummyos
Жыл бұрын
Massive fan of tweeks character rant. Playing peach and going back to another character feels like I’m treading through mud. I see Peach G&W and go “let’s do it”
@lacchiappacolore44
Жыл бұрын
i went and rewatched an old tweek talks episode about the meta, and the fact that joker isn't taken in consideration in this episode's argument is crazy to me
@Keyont3
Жыл бұрын
not many jokers at the top level anymore sadly besides people like lemmon zackray naito leo pulls it out every now and then
@yobber2991
Жыл бұрын
The tweek character rant is a locked-in pick for top 5 of the tweek talks segment tier list.
@zoerosedunk4548
Жыл бұрын
Let's goooooo Pink! Congrats to you both!!
@riley1160
Жыл бұрын
It feels honestly like tweek in this episode is trying to internalise a fundamental problem he has with the game and everyone else is not able to see exactly what he means or thinks it’s something binary like a problem with results/MU when it’s not (no disrespect to pink/charles/haz). I think tweek is like trying to play an ideal perfect game without any variables at play which is why he wants to avoid coin flip reads, and is also why he can’t understand unspaced cloud bair cause it’s not 100% as safe as it could be. And i’m sure tweek has considered the fact that obviously there has to be reads and risk involved in a fighting game to function, but maybe he is just struggling really hard to find a balance between optimality of risk reward and maybe that overthinking of all the conceivable possibilities makes it much harder than it should be for him to come to a concrete solution, when some other people just take a simpler thought process and run with it. I hope tweek figures it out 🙏
@robertduffin1
Жыл бұрын
I HAVE AN IDEA!!!… hear me out The Tweek Steve 👀… …the most technical, most hype Steve there could ever be
@BaselardFE
Жыл бұрын
Man, Tweek venting about neutral and coin flips was something I needed to hear. Good to know I'm not crazy 😂
@holdenthompson202
Жыл бұрын
Tweek your diddy is so nasty you are so close you did so many amazing things in your last riddles Set
@shrikeroy6111
Жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best episodes, random rambles are SO much more interesting than supermajor recaps. I'll give it 🤚... up!👋 Everybody was so animated and contributed to the conversation super well, was a blast to see. I like to hear Pink talk a little more since sometimes I feel he doesn't have as much of a spotlight and he got that in this episode. Tweek is the linchpin. Haz will always bring the energy and enthusiasm, and he is AMAZING for that. However, some of the older episodes of season 2 felt like Tweek was a little tired and in a sort of "clock in 50 minutes talking about majors and wrap up as soon as possible" headspace. I TOTALLY understand, you guys travel constantly and have actual lives that can be at times draining, so I'm def not judging. Not every episode needs to be an insane brilliant masterpiece, we get one every week after all! Tweek's been more upbeat the past few episodes though and the difference in the episode's "fun factor" is night and day. I feel like the very best of Tweek Talks happens when Tweek matches Haz's energy, and then everybody else cues off of those two. Then all the fun little arguments and silly debates come out, cool topics start popping up, and conversation starts really flowing. I love it when Charles dives deep into some coaching advice or breakdown of the game, and its followed up by funny jabs from Haz or the others, like what happened this episode. Perfect balance of educational Smash content and humor, makes it really fun to listen to.
@ribeserythrocarpum918
Жыл бұрын
Tweek knows and must eventually accept that his fate is Wario...
@dingo9696
Жыл бұрын
His Wario has been completely useless for years
@jonteguy
Жыл бұрын
The thing is... a Tweek Sora would go really hard. And Sephiroth is easily your 3rd best character, but he's not great. But just in terms of skill with the character he's up there for sure.
@andrebaxter4023
Жыл бұрын
It's always silly to me when people say Sephiroth isn't great, despite the facts. Ken won a major with him, Ken won a stacked regional with him just before that, and Ned is consistently just out of top 8 with the character.
@plainkapp
Жыл бұрын
Core a gaming - how to pick a character A character can be stronger than yours but yours feels more comfortable. Sometimes, the character just naturally works with your skillset
@AS-qp7rc
Жыл бұрын
Tweek! You’re so close to the perfect lineup. I think it’s diddy main, and pt, wolf secondary. Pt in my opinion is the answer to fox (forward tilt tumbles at 71!, and dair loops into grabs are always true), also you have never tried pt against Roy. Pt is also a good pick for Steve and palu if you want to switch from diddy. You have the wolf for bad matchups and pt for that “comfort secondary” but also for fox, Steve, ice climbers, Roy, palu, mythra even. Pt does better in those than wario does imo. Diddy, wolf, pt!!
@michaelhamilton3758
Жыл бұрын
Hi, the Tournament that Sonix won was Blink Respawn in the Dominican Republic and Larry Lurr got 3rd losing to Sonix and Capitancito
@wollins7244
Жыл бұрын
Good shit this weekend Tweek. Best I’ve ever seen you play and it was TOO LIT
@MuNiqab
Жыл бұрын
First congratulations to Marcus. Tweek what you soul searching for is the young link. Offline you can be tricky with bombs and arrows in neutral also use range. But play what you like. Just go diddy Kong. That's the character you feel comfortable with. Like Leo said for losing matches ups just play better. Sometimes you losing against goblin or player who a not better than you. I think that's a mindset thing. Just pull out the friendly Gavin and beat them. For the character pick you can go the Leo path playing character who can kill early, is heavy and skips bullshit with long rage and has kind a good recovery like byleth, clouds or the Charles path and counter-pick with the wolf. What I recommend don't go back to your old characters. You lost the passion playing them. I see it in your gameplay. Just try out new characters that you usually don't pick, to see the game in a new perspective and only pull these characters out in tournaments when you really master them and feel comfortable. Aegis/ Sephiroth and sora you almost master them then you drop them. The characters that fit your current play style and also help you are Mario and lucas. I know you don't like floating characters so I can't recommend yoshi. If you are going for range and item play is a mega man or robin. Personally, I think is time to go to the dark realm. Leo did it with rob, now is your turn. Be a real Pokemon trainer and pull out the Pikachu.
@markmullender6972
Жыл бұрын
I think the answer to solving your character problem and also neutral problem is one part what Charles said and the other part commitment. So I think the solution is picking a character you like that takes care of the bad matchups for Diddy (like Wolf) and then sticking to that character for at least like 3 months. Then you'll probably find more and more options with the character considering your level is just that high and your creativity is insane. Of course the character need that X factor but I believe you have a couple that fit the criteria and have that X factor especially after you stick to that character for a while. After what you said about the neutral being a coin flip I think it's because you haven't explored the options of those characters enough for you to find all the mixups you want. Plus you only need the character for bad matchups like Charles said. Also I lowkey think you don't even need to add a third like Wario cause you just need Diddy plus the character that beats the bad matchups for you to destroy everyone. But this is just a low level smash player who also is a big Tweek fan talking so I might be wrong on some stuff but I think this is the answer. Good luck at port priority! Looking forward to seeing your play :)
@BringBackOGClubPenguin
Жыл бұрын
Low-key I feel like tweek should try solo wario again, every time he plays wario I feel like he’s shmooving and destroying, but he just doesn’t have his punish game as practiced as glutto
@Spyder-Marth
Жыл бұрын
Noob: "Smash Ultimate is HARD?!?!?" Me: "Always has been" 🔫
@sauce8277
Жыл бұрын
I would like to add I do think Tweek needs to work more on wants acceptable with the social thing. We don’t really need us going through 1st best….2nd best…okay 3rd best on channel. Like, it’s TWEEK TALKS, and everyone is always developing, but it comes off like something is seriously wrong. Either way, I I think Wario does have that “zero to death” factor the meta needs…and I believe in the character. He is the true melee jiggly puff of Ultimate. If he didn’t have the command grab I would say no, but he’s got the mix and shield play is going to be less used in the future, so might as well go for it.
@Kaze91
Жыл бұрын
Ive watched many of your sets and even met you once at a major and talked with you. From my perspective, as someone who has mained cloud in smash 4 and secondaries him in ult, you really have to work on that bubble by playing a bit more grounded and bair focused so they cant just roll in or get in your bubble. Its weird but hes different from smash 4 cloud in very weirdly small but impactful ways. And you need to get insanely creative and abuse his terrible grab for positioning when you have them shielding and respecting you too much. But i do think he is absolutely the best cp/secondary for diddy and does super well against all his bad mus especially the weird high and mid tiers that counter diddy.
@lilgoatnyan
Жыл бұрын
Start every game with complete willingness to go to time and with every opening given explode
@ellislondon9071
Жыл бұрын
As a wolf main, my thoughts on this episode will be very biased. That being said, the way Tweek describes neutral with Wolf/ inevitably getting hit is very valid. You will be stuck with very linear options unless you have a percent lead and your opponent is eager to approach you. Wolf usually gets this sort of lead at the start of the game, but if he doesn't he can be quite annoying to play. Also, online wolf feels awful and really won't help if you want to get back into the rhythm of Wolf's offline neutral. I've said this before and I will continue to say this every time Jakal comes up: please have him on the show! Everyone involved in ult sees themself as wolf expert because they mained him for a few months in 2019, and Jakal's thoughts on the character often go against the prevailing narrative that he's easy to use/ is really consistent at closing out stocks.
@YaRolatela
Жыл бұрын
I feel like tweeks rant at around 39:00 minutes revolves around a movement options perspective rather than other also important things in a top tier. He is describing diddy and wario as versatile in neutral only cause they have many more tools to engage or disengage and be unpredictable with their movement, with the ground and air speed they possess. Might be way more complicated than that but thats the way it makes sense to me cause when I play Cloud or Wolf they feel stiffer, but they excel at other areas, if that makes sense. I feel like Pikachu is another example of a good top tier with great movement to not get hit.
@YaRolatela
Жыл бұрын
Also Wolf is >>>>> Cloud
@quilava9994
Жыл бұрын
Loved the episode!! Tweek believe in the Diddy it's so much fun to watch I never get bored when he is on the screen with you on the sticks!!
@milos1967
Жыл бұрын
You should play zero suit. She does well against most of the zoners, and she's got great mobility. Her grab sucks, but it's surprisingly useful within the context of her kit.
@brunobourget8923
Жыл бұрын
17:45 totally happens to me with Diddy too
@GoMaDssb
Жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with Charles: pick a secondary that cover's diddy's bad matchups best, but I'd add within the context of characters that feel good/enjoyable
@squirrelwithabanana
Жыл бұрын
“All right. Listen close… Make certain all your attacks hit! Avoid enemy attacks for sure! You do that, you’d never lose!” -Barry
@SkribbleNL
Жыл бұрын
So I'm trash but just taking in smash and fgc content, I feel like sometimes its easy to get lost into what are the best options of a certain character. But you start ignoring parts of the risk rewards calculation you can play. worse options can be good and give fluidity if you know their value. Or know how the opponent would respond to maybe "bad moves". Like how riddles got people with that spin kick(?) at ludwig invitational (the "was that shield poke?" incident for example 😅). I actually really enjoy Romolla's (Guilty gear pro) videos that deal more with the mental or theoretical aspects of fighting games (like the one on character crisis).
@mrchinosofexodar
Жыл бұрын
This episode aged fast like fine wine, the next one will be intense!
@gearheartattackWario
Жыл бұрын
THANK YOUUU WARIO you are the coolest and best wario of all time
@LuxCalum
Жыл бұрын
Tweek. I’m sure you already know this, but I a would like to add to conversation about wolf and creativity. It’s not a 50/50 if you know you won’t get hit. That’s obvious and your opponents are excellent, however this implies your are as well. Find their weakness and win. I’ve found, with simple characters especially, the creativity comes from location and timing.
@mobilisq
Жыл бұрын
OBVIOUSLY tweek should go banjo again
@fiber1881
Жыл бұрын
I think Charles is right. Just go Diddy Kong for everything except Pac-Man, Olimar, and Duck Hunt and pick Wolf for those matches.
@_berb_
Жыл бұрын
Tweek you should just play Sephiroth or PT! fr tho plz make more episodes like this. that was great
@ceteris372
Жыл бұрын
I like Charles’ take. Use Diddy and someone else for the bad matchups. Think less. Loved this episode!
@Iso_SSB
Жыл бұрын
The intro mixups always bring me back everytime 😂
@Zalezus
Жыл бұрын
Some super hot points here, just finished from the other day. Def play who you like! But also I agree with Pink in grabbing a character with easy 0-death potential that aren’t based on 50/50s and reads. I think Tweek should have more faith in the Wario and do like Gluto: overcome the bs MUs with slick movement in neutral and just Waft folks at 0% for all the cheese and crackers. Lasering as the fallback neutral strategy is incredibly draining and boring and is probably not the way you’d prefer to dominate a MU you feel you should win.
@Zalezus
Жыл бұрын
*Looking at Muteace consistently punishing Steve OOS swings with pancakes (CHEAP)*
@HoracePipe
Жыл бұрын
Congrats Marcus!
@PinkFreshhh
Жыл бұрын
Ty!!
@JolactusJ5x5
Жыл бұрын
Bowser Junior is the answer, he always has been.
@yimc8082
Жыл бұрын
I think Charles had it right, you love Diddy the most, very obviously, so you just need characters for his bad matchups (say Wolf for example) and then you *only* need to learn those specific matchups with Wolf, and hopefully that specific matchup is good enough where you don't get that coin-flip feeling. Think what Charles said about eliminating bullshit being so difficult was really on the money too, it's probably my personal #1 gripe with Ultimate.
@BushxBushx
Жыл бұрын
I feel like a tweek sheik would go crazy, wonder if he ever considered her
@AndrewVlogs69
Жыл бұрын
36:32-40:00 should be titled "tweeks therapy session"
@StephenSiu
Жыл бұрын
When Charles went "hey!" for the plug, i got startled actually xD
@Big7Cheese
Жыл бұрын
This convo felt really genuine, y’all should shoot the shit more often
@martinluther123
Жыл бұрын
Dude Tweek if you are reading this... Dude, please consider Chrom. OBVIOUSLY NOT AS A MAIN. But dude, Chrom could be a great secondary for you in some matchups. I think he odes great against Fox for example. And he is low investment. You can still main Diddy, have Chrom for very specific matchups and people and then you can even play something else if you want.
@Tonjit41
Жыл бұрын
Can't believe Tweek plays pokemon in 2023+. So nasty bro
@tilts268
Жыл бұрын
Charles will never not be funny
@guspolo03
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like what tweek really needs is a character to play against Steve and Pac-Man? One or 2 match ups ? Sounds doable
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