Fun Fact: The day Sonic Chaos, Sonic SpinBall, and Sonic CD all released together in the US (November 23rd 1993) was actually called "Sonic MANIA Day" in promotional material. This was a really fun topic. Honestly, I didn't expect Sonic games released on the same day to be put into a full video on this channel. Great work as always SF!! 👍
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@E2ForLife
3 ай бұрын
They really did predict the future with the marketing huh.
@PercyPanleo
3 ай бұрын
@@E2ForLifeI vaguely recall it being mentioned somewhere that the title for Mania was partially a reference to this, though this was in 2017 or 2018 so my memory's a bit fuzzy there
@BrynjaminButton
3 ай бұрын
First thing I thought of when I saw the video title
@mr_red3
3 ай бұрын
Sonic Jam was originally called Sonic Mania
@GottaGoFast91
3 ай бұрын
911, yes. He did say that Sonic Spinball existed.
@jaredsmith1337
3 ай бұрын
After that spinball footage, I would have to think that it's you
@CC-ks6nm
2 ай бұрын
The Shadow game was great, I'm playing it again right now. Also, I didn't grow up with the classics, nor I'm a huge fan of them, I played Sonic Origins and now I got the Rush games, and yeah, Sonic CD is amazing to me, the level design reminds me of a metroidvania? And I love the time travel mechanic, also, I appreciate that they put a rock at the goal so I can get into the special stages instead of running past them. Rush was great, with a bit of bs, Rush Adventure was amazing, it felt bigger and I think it didn't have bs
@rumbummer
3 ай бұрын
One of my favorite dual releases was with Sonic Adventure 2 Battle and Sonic Advance (12/20/2001), even though it was exclusive to Japan.
@SonicTheBlueBlur15
3 ай бұрын
You forgot secret rings was also for sonics anniversary
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
That was released in 2007
@SonicTheBlueBlur15
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 oh shoot i messed up
@SonicTheBlueBlur15
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 i got confused cause i heard that 06 also did bad cause they split to make secret rings
@PercyPanleo
3 ай бұрын
@@SonicTheBlueBlur15 yeah, 06 team was split with no time extension given because they realized the Wii wouldn't be able to handle the game. Because of this, Secret Rings released later simply because it's development started later
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
It certainly contributed, but it is likely 06 would have been a bust anyways. It needed more time first of all, any manpower in the world could not have finished the game when they were that much behind.
@michaeltran4275
3 ай бұрын
Good times. Good job with the iceberg history facts’ knowledge details PS: I really wish that the Sonic Adventure Series and Sonic Rush Series were to get a legacy collection and a physical form plus a digital form for the Nintendo Switch, PS4 and PS5 I also do mind for the Sonic Rush Series as a potential legacy collection to be also finally on Xbox One and Xbox X
@atasker7432
6 күн бұрын
When it comes to Sonic Rivals, since the events of Sonic 06 were erased at the end, Rivals is the true & canonical first time Sonic met Silver.
@Shrinkshark20
3 ай бұрын
"Hey atleast its better then sonic heros" Nard felt that.
@Safalmao
3 ай бұрын
4:34 "something with sonic playable", i heard if you plug in a second controller in shadow 05 you can control sonic, but i never tried it 🤔
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah that's a thing but yknow
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
Sonic was actually planned for the multiplayer mode...before the multiplayer mode was downsized to just be Shadow Androids clobbering each other.
@TKize777
3 ай бұрын
Lol i forgot they gave Amy invisibility powers out of nowhere in Sonic 06
@jaycerrito3142
3 ай бұрын
Was it even used or even mentioned again in later games? If not, that's when you know Sonic Team had random and rushed ideas
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
@@jaycerrito3142 It was never mentioned or used like most of the 2000 - 2006 ideas. The reason is that the only game from that point on that actually cared about continuity(at least before Frontiers) was Chronicles...and we all know how that game was sent to the Shadow Realm.
@James-bm7ce
3 ай бұрын
Sonic generations and sonic generations 3ds released on November 1 2001. But there kinda the same game so I guess that's why he didn't talk about them
@MovieEggman
3 ай бұрын
Sonic Rivals was the best thing to come out of Sonic’s 15th Anniversary.
@char-scratch
3 ай бұрын
i think sonic 1 gba isnt that bad. i like the music, and they're new remixes, instead of ripping the OG music and hastily slapping it on. the fanmade port sadly does that last part.
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x
3 ай бұрын
I almost forgot that port existed to me this is just the rushed port it's not like tte original is ruined or anything i just pretend it's not even exist..
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
I like it, but only for ironic cr*ppiness reasons. It isn't the worst, but it is the least good. It is just good enough to not be a disaster, but it genuinely adds nothing to the series it is a part of. Well, besides fodder for the trolls that believe that Sonic can only ever be a buggy mess, because its collission and geometry is just broken in weird ways(There are literally certain terrainblocks that instakill you for no clear reason, presumably a crushdeath despite Sonic not even clipping into it).
@char-scratch
22 күн бұрын
The Java version is worse.
@RefreshingMirage
3 ай бұрын
… Did you remember that Sonic Riders also came out during the 15th Anniversary?
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
That was released earlier in the year. This was referring to the dual release
@RefreshingMirage
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 Wait really? I didn’t know that
@carolineneh2791
3 ай бұрын
Does anyone find Sf's voice so soothing at times
@blackheartaesthetic4432
Ай бұрын
It’s like an old friend. This is how I feel about Scott the woz too when he hyper focuses on gaming history
@Ibalistic_hedge
2 ай бұрын
The sonic 1 port wasn't released on the DS bc we were gonna get the sonic classic collection a few years after. Still don't understand why CD wasn't in that collection but whatever.
@Alexifeu
3 ай бұрын
I played Sonic Spinball and only could beat it in the genesis Collection on Steam by using checkpoints and it still took me many hours. I liked the game but it would be more fun if it wasn't so difficult. I saw how expensive fire and ice was and didnt buy it as a kid.
@mediamanjamessmith251
3 ай бұрын
I mean Sonic Triple Trouble is a sequel to Sonic Chaos (as in Japan their names are Sonic & Tails (Chaos) and Sonic & Tails 2 (Triple Trouble) so being similar checks out
@Muicheerio
3 ай бұрын
You forgot abt sonic lost world that was also another dual release which was like Pokemon a bit
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
Wait really? What other game did it release with?
@Muicheerio
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 the 3ds and the wiiu version
@almir-chan9570
3 ай бұрын
3:42 Sonic 2sDay: am I a joke to you???
@larion1085
3 ай бұрын
I love your channel
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate it!
@DailyOnYT
3 ай бұрын
Peak video!
@robynwolph3836
3 ай бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Sonic Heroes is a garbage game. Amazing video
@NotDynimiteDuck
3 ай бұрын
Sonic rush, one is fun! Shadow the hedgehog, ONE HAS GUNS-
@jskywalker58
3 ай бұрын
It had guns and it was fun
@JadielGamerPlayz
3 ай бұрын
I can tell you, sonic 06 does shadows characterization, and its level design well. Its just the flanky controls/slowdowns that make it a drag. P06 is an example:> (All though both can be overseen since, the stories bad, and the levels themselves can be buggy lol.)
@Mecha-tel
3 ай бұрын
Great video bro!
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@Mecha-tel
3 ай бұрын
No problem! Anyways, one question : What do you think of Sonic riders zero gravity ?
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
It's pretty good
@Mecha-tel
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 thanks, i was curious about your opinion!
@hecked-yt
3 ай бұрын
dual release mario 1 and duck hunt
@MattTOB618
2 ай бұрын
5:24 "Speak for yourself, motherf*****." - Sonic the Hedgehog, probably. 5:49 This was your experience... And yet you're saying that this is BETTER than Heroes?! Like, don't get me wrong: I see what they were going for in Shadow, the story is better in the original Japanese version, and it's just plainly funny that it even exists at all. But Heroes just achieved what it set out to do SO much better than _this!_ 7:18 Note: it wasn't an attempt at a reboot; that was a misquote. If it _were_ a reboot, then why is it continuing Shadow's character arc from his game, and why does it assume we know the backstory from the previous games?
@bonjour-rd5hx
3 ай бұрын
Me being 16 and who grew up with shattered crystal 🤐
@RollieSage
3 ай бұрын
okay ngl you played the genesis version of sonic spinball try the master system or game gear yikes after playing that you might be greatful that the genesis version is way better lol i wanted to say skill issue but it's not that because the controls feel stiff
@ChickenBazooka
3 ай бұрын
Well we can all agree that some of these dual games are good and some are bad
@jaycerrito3142
3 ай бұрын
You better protect yourself from the angry mob since Sonic Heroes has a lot more fans than you think.
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
i can take em
@katdeeess2342
3 ай бұрын
Can you do a sonic boom retrospective
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
@33pandagamer
3 ай бұрын
Sonic Boom: Fire and Ice plays like a free-to-play mobile game.
@Kirbsayshi
3 ай бұрын
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@Youknowjoe187
3 ай бұрын
I wish they made some more dual releases Maybe Sonic X Shadow Generations and Sonic Rumble would be released on the same day so we can have another one
@nerdemoji-p1k
3 ай бұрын
Before 1000 views
@subzeroeclipse
3 ай бұрын
Psb
@akdreamer6497
3 ай бұрын
The Sonic Heroes slander is kinda nuts
@DannyBenS94
3 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Shadow The Hedgehog is a good game, actually lol. Also Sonic Rivals was an alright game, but Rivals 2 is much better. Basically, take the review scores of the Rivals games from IGN and switch them and that's how I feel about those games. Anyway, I like some of these games.
@D2firetech
3 ай бұрын
Personally i think a decent amount of sonic games have worse level desgin then sonic 06. I feel if sonic 06 had no bugs faster characters , and abit better gameplay it would be top 10 for most people. its in my top 15
@Reach_7
3 ай бұрын
I kind of liked Sonic 06 as a kid, but it had too many glitches and problems. Then, in the same day, Sonic 1 got released on the gba and I looked like seeing the game with a microscope. Then, i heard that Sonic 06 had many problems because the development team got cut in half to develop a Wii game.... and then Sonic and the Secret Rings came out.... i'm just confused
@Girbekafecon
3 ай бұрын
"sonic heroes sucks"- 🤓
@-hamburgerman-
3 ай бұрын
In my opinion, It's not that fun.
@juliannocartagena2007
3 ай бұрын
Since when did people call Shadow the Hedgehog "Shadow 05"?
@TheSultan1470
3 ай бұрын
To make it distinct from the character.
@juliannocartagena2007
3 ай бұрын
@@TheSultan1470 Oh
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
It's probably also a reference to Sonic 06, similar to how it is theorized that 06's title of just "Sonic the Hedgehog" was a reference to Shadow in the first place.(Despite 06 being in development longer, but final names are often decided very late in development)
@cliffturbo2146
3 ай бұрын
Incredibly irresponsible for Sega to screw up not only a reboot of the series, but also Sonic 1. Maybe Sega doesn't want the year to feel like nothing, so they shoved it all out to give their fans SOMETHING. The saving grace obviously being Sonic Riders.
@Bmontepeque11
3 ай бұрын
I'll forever defend Sonic 06 because while the end result was pretty bad, it feels like it wants to be grandiose and epic, so to me Sonic 06 isn't a bad game, just an incomplete one Now things like Sonic Forces? THAT is a bad game, while being finished, it's terrible.
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x
3 ай бұрын
those dual releases didn't always go well sometimes...
@PercyPanleo
3 ай бұрын
Japan had better luck, as SA2 Battle and Advance released on the same day there
@JakeThehedgehog-m1x
3 ай бұрын
@@PercyPanleo those are my favourites infact i still have sonic advance on my phone and the sequels too
@dominosnostradamus2415
3 ай бұрын
Sonic the hedgehog was a decent game 7:49 . Multiplayer was fun. it was okay better than Sonic forces.
@coolr850
3 ай бұрын
5:23 How dare u insult Sonic Heroes
@charlesbishop3170
3 ай бұрын
Peremadrermey is screaming right now😂😂
@playbossthebest936
3 ай бұрын
2006's dual release was killer. Franchise killer, to be specific
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
LMAO true
@sikosonix901
3 ай бұрын
So was 2014's. Damm, Sonic's opps are the managers from the very company that owns him 😭🙏🙏
@Ibalistic_hedge
2 ай бұрын
It didn't kill the franchise, hence why it's still going to this day.
@Ibalistic_hedge
2 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 Not really since the series is still going and we got unleashed 2 years later.
@playbossthebest936
2 ай бұрын
@@Ibalistic_hedge still, the franchise took quite a hit that day
@Meme.Parodies
3 ай бұрын
5:24 Sonic Heroes... You better count your days.
@ChargedTheHedgehog
3 ай бұрын
Sonic Spinball is a SatAm game. Sally appears, so, he technically has his own game
@joshuadesousa6668
3 ай бұрын
We had it so good back in the early and mid 2000s with several games a year and even on the same day I wish we could go back or hopefully we get this trend again soon
@ClassicssgamesGameplays
3 ай бұрын
Hey man, great video as always. Can't wait for the Heroes video! (Splash Dash will probably have something to say about it)
@UltraGamerAustin
3 ай бұрын
I’m so glad I’m a channel member now
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
welcome to the club!
@repoversemedium
3 ай бұрын
Can’t believe there was a time where Sonic quite literally boomed.
@SuperSonicUltimate-YT
3 ай бұрын
Wow I Never Actually knew this ❤ Pretty Cool ❤️
@OrangeToadGamer
3 ай бұрын
I remember a Sonic panel during 2017 that recapped all the game releases at the time, and when they got to 2006, they made it seem like they were gonna mention 06 only to show Sonic Rivals since they both released a few days apart
@cepherinorodriguez8995
3 ай бұрын
Despite you claiming that Shadow the Hedgehog is better than Sonic Heroes, Heroes is more well-received that Shadow.
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
People are wrong, that is how Colors got a higher review score than Gens.
@yayo_youtube
2 ай бұрын
Another dual release was Sonic Heroes and Sonic Battle, which both released in early 2004. Honestly, its a alright dual release, because both games are middle of the road, due to the same problem, that being being overblown.
@SFproductions1
2 ай бұрын
sonic heroes was released on new years and sonic battle was released in early december 2003. i dont think i would consider that to be a dual release honestly
@SFproductions1
2 ай бұрын
oh wait silly me i forgot about regional differences lol
@Sonic24prime
3 ай бұрын
I like releases like this
@Mrsonic126
3 ай бұрын
Duals realises are good so that sonic fans complain less.
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
fair enough lol
@knowingjordankid
3 ай бұрын
I always found a Duel releases for Sonic isn’t really that big of a deal.
@Goofy_ahh.Chikin
3 ай бұрын
I'm going to be completely honest Sonic boom rise of lyric is a Good game. It's just that most people didn't have a Wii u and weren't able to try it and were just saying what everyone else said. I know that the game had a lot of bugs but a lot of them have been patched. And the story is actually pretty interesting imo
@Hedgie3
3 ай бұрын
Some years ago I got a used copy of that game and a Wii U console to play it on and whenever I've tried to play it I haven't encountered any of the major glitches that soo many people have been complaining online about. So I got confused when I started to hear all these people talking about how unpolished they think that that game is. The only thing that bothers me a big amount about that game is how much of a selfish and rude jerk they made Shadow be acting as in it, and the fact that they didn't even try to let him get any character developement in the TV series to make him become a better and more interesting character like he originally was.
@Goofy_ahh.Chikin
3 ай бұрын
@@Hedgie3 W opinion!
@Hedgie3
3 ай бұрын
@@Goofy_ahh.Chikin What is the W for? Because I don't know.
@Goofy_ahh.Chikin
3 ай бұрын
@@Hedgie3 basically means awesome!
@Hedgie3
3 ай бұрын
@@Goofy_ahh.Chikin Thanks.
@JustMaxT
3 ай бұрын
This SF Productions video is worth 147 calories at 3.5mph on 10 incline (make longer videos I need longer walks)
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
I got like an hour long one dropping soon
@JustMaxT
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 okay not that long I don’t wanna die
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
@@JustMaxT no lock in
@blackheartaesthetic4432
Ай бұрын
lol
@eliezersarcos7813
3 ай бұрын
5:23 damn you hate heroes that much lol i mean i can see why i have not played it but it looks Interesting to say the least but like interesting not in a good way it just looks really mid but i wont know until i try it 😅
@TheCartoonBackup
3 ай бұрын
I played shadow all the time as a kid, but replaying it was so disappointing, it’s a massive mess.
@dustinwilcox5014
3 ай бұрын
Nothing wrong with Sonic characters using guns IMO.
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
Generic robots have been using guns since at least Sonic 3, while actual character have been using them since at least Sonic Adventure.
@lordx8844
3 ай бұрын
Don’t neglect that they got shadow’s character right in 06!
@DagimV2
3 ай бұрын
Can you even call the SEGA cd a console? It's just an add-on for the genesis.
@TheSultan1470
3 ай бұрын
Well... sort of. It does attach to the Genesis but the games are CD exclusive so the Genesis+CD is an independent console in that way.
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
@@TheSultan1470 Why are we not counting the New3DS in the same way then?(Not even a negative observation, I want it to count as the next step after old 3DS)
@FanicTheHedgehogYT
3 ай бұрын
Yeah i know because how Trash Sonic CD Controls it was, when try to Build momentum and Going fast while jumping he Killed Momentum sometimes
@Sonic24prime
3 ай бұрын
Do I have to renew my membership?
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
No you dont have to. But youll lose all of the member benefits
@Sonic24prime
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 ok
@Artista_Frustrado
2 ай бұрын
yeah, the thing with CD's level design is that is iterating on Sonic 1's: explore to find the optimal route, then excecute it on Replays. Speed/Flow is your reward for exploration Meanwhile Sonic 2 onwards offers the speed from the start & the challenge is to keep it going ... Wacky Workbench & Collission Chaos can go burn in a fire, gimmicky trash
@midnighttheumbreon
3 ай бұрын
I personally like Shadow the hedgehog , I wouldn't call it amazing at all but it's still a fun time (for the most part with a few exceptions) imo but I do fully acknowledge the flaws it has Its anywhere between a high C or low B if I had to rank it But its definitely better than Sonic Heroes that's for sure lol Rush is definitely the better game of the two I genuinely believe 06 would have been a solid game if it rushed so much, but unfortunately it's not a good game due to being rushed but despite the many issues it hads I still find it decently fun it's like a high C tier game for me Also im glad you talked about Sonic Boom Fire and Ice! I wouldn't call it a good Sonic Game but I would call it a very Good Game! it's genuinely pretty fun!
@Spoopiify
3 ай бұрын
cant believe pokemon stole dual releases from sonic, oh the misery! (joke)
@amejade
3 ай бұрын
Ok so conspiracy theory here: I believe that Sonic Rush was put into development and released on the same day as Shadow the Hedgehog for the sole reason that some parents wouldn’t let their kids play Shadow the Hedgehog and they still wanted to get some sales from those parents for the holidays so they put out a more family friendly game out on the same day
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
(I am just going to ignore the Shadow hate. *Insert Sonic sideeye in the shadows-picture*) Honestly, I will never understand why they won't rerelease the Rush games. Sure, the bosses in the first game are beyond unpopular, but otherwise I don't see a clear reason not to? Maybe because it is associated with Dimps? That's like the only real reason I could think of. At least Heroes and Shadow have a technical reason why they cannot get rerelease because that gotta be a port and...well, I can think of much more fun and financially sensical things to do than that. Having to beg EA to allow the rerelease just to then have to decompile Renderware from scratch because they do not support it anymore...seems kinda dreadful, ngl.
@chillihog1543
3 ай бұрын
Ngl thx lord I wasn’t there during the 1993 for Cd, Chaos, n Spinball cuz go lord I would have wasted n hated all 3 titles. Well 2, Chaos I haven’t try but did try the 16 bit Triple Trouble
@kolkagaming1234
14 күн бұрын
So these are a different type of Dual Release? Not like the same game with differences like Pokémon & Mega Man Battle Network?
@PayForViewsJST
2 ай бұрын
The sonic adventure remakes when they finally happen! they should have dual release like Bayonetta 1&2 Japanese edition having a fake dreamcast reversal-able cover.
@That1One-Guy
3 ай бұрын
5:17 this is the definition of based 5:24 this is the definition of not based
@bestwitch4414
3 ай бұрын
Wouldnt colors wii and colors DS count as a dual release?
@mr_red3
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think it counts
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
nah not really
@MarcinSzkodziski-xe2qp
3 ай бұрын
I huge fan sonic the heghog games and shows and movies 11 times on Road ❤😂🎉😢😅4 duds ❤😂🎉😢🍇☺️🎁🎁 11:38
@GamingGeeks4evaAUTTP
3 ай бұрын
I think Triple Trouble is in between Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles
@ChaotixAshuraPlays
3 ай бұрын
Time for remastered games…….. why?
@conor_10256
3 ай бұрын
I wish we could get a another modern sonic game
@rbm8889
3 ай бұрын
57s early man
@JoshuaRodroguez-hz5yb
3 ай бұрын
You know stuff Riley, where do you get all these facts?
@Pixelmagician414
3 ай бұрын
The issue with Sonic GBA is that it was a port for Java devices and they just put that game just to sell more even though it just didn't worked, if they at least optimized that a bit it would've sold more.
@mk8-mkwil117
3 ай бұрын
True I think the music was the reason for lag since the gba has a sound chip made from midi for it so. Sonic 1 gba is bad for less optimized on an outdated console didn’t really think about the sound chip that the gba so it’s just push the gba to its limits with the audio at that. Even soon if advanced did that better than anything else it’s I feel like they just copied sonic advance engine but it wasn’t that special since sonic jam and gems collection already has most features that the gba port already has.
@Ibalistic_hedge
2 ай бұрын
cough cough, sonic 2 is overrated.
@PamonhasDePiracicaba
3 ай бұрын
I love Sonic CD
@Realzeldaandweegeefan01
3 ай бұрын
Sonic Rush > Shadow 05
@TheSultan1470
3 ай бұрын
Twice the Never Good.
@zachpro5475
3 ай бұрын
0:34 what’s your favorite pokemon
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
Rowlet
@evolutioner8573
3 ай бұрын
@@SFproductions1 nice mine is charmander.
@Sonic-VA-
3 ай бұрын
Mine is Lucario.
@adrianchulu9799
3 ай бұрын
5:23 what
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
LOL
@Ueslx.600
3 ай бұрын
Stop you’re flipping curse or else to flip you into a brick wall
@SFproductions1
3 ай бұрын
HUH
@ChibiSteak
3 ай бұрын
13:20 fin.
@bluespheresguy2306
3 ай бұрын
WHAAAT did you just disrespect sonic heroes and shadow 05 how dare you they are one of if not the BESTsonic games EVER
@GulpGang
3 ай бұрын
The best dual release was undoubtedly sonic colors ultimate and the sonic p06 shadow release
@hazing1433
3 ай бұрын
I like how *literally* almost everyone just ignores Sonic Colours Ultimate for a while because of the Shadow Update
@GulpGang
3 ай бұрын
@@hazing1433 exactly cuz the shadow release was so good
@lpfan4491
2 ай бұрын
And the best part being that the dev of P06 straight up didn't intend for it or even cared. It was purely a fated thing.
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