"Spare me your elaborate metaphors, Kain" I love the dialog and writing in this game, but honestly elaborate metaphors are 75% of the dialog haha.
@followingtheroe1952
2 жыл бұрын
He just doesn't like him. It means "stop talking" in Nosgoth dialect
@monkeyman767
Жыл бұрын
There are a few moments where Raziel seems to be keenly aware that everyone speaks in flowing prose like this, one of my favourite ones is when he meets Kain in the future and says "oh no! Every time you show up, something monumental and terrible always happens. I don't think I have the stomach for it". He knows full well that listening to anyone's speech's usually results in trouble for him
@MikeTooleK9S
10 ай бұрын
all the elaborate metaphors to the childish raziel is in fact literal time travel scheming. raziel reads history by interpeting murals on the fly
@Itotallymadethisup
11 жыл бұрын
Nobody even bothered to say Happy Birthday to Kain. He was being born right that minute!
@FashizzleMaWizzle
4 жыл бұрын
best comment!
@alexreilly6121
4 жыл бұрын
HAAAAAPPY BIIIRTHDAY DEAR SCIOOOOOON..
@jimhuffman9434
4 жыл бұрын
In this case it would be "unhappy birthday" since Kain got screwed from the moment he was born
@CidSilverWing
4 жыл бұрын
@@jimhuffman9434 Sounds like Amy Hennig missed an opportunity there. But then we do have Raziel's "I don't think I have the stomach for it." line later on. X3
@Jeezes718
3 жыл бұрын
@@alexreilly6121 we must get him a cake that says 'vae victus'.
@gullydisciple
5 жыл бұрын
This game really improved my vocabulary As a kid i remember my first job overhearing my supervisor telling another guy about how that kid uses big words lol
@Polovene
3 жыл бұрын
Haha same here
@Mustlord_Guitar_Ambient
3 жыл бұрын
Employer: Has Gary shown you our team Trello board yet? Intern: Yes... Something profound and indelible resonated within me at the sight. Employer: um
@sublimehypocrisy
7 ай бұрын
Now you have to look up the raziel making pudding video.
@grutsthefoodman3645
6 ай бұрын
@@Mustlord_Guitar_Ambient he prolly memorizes the words, he has eternity to practice.
@BestWayKilla
9 жыл бұрын
Taken on its own or within the context of the narrative of the whole game or the whole series, this scene right here is where Legacy of Kain separates itself from all the rest. Everything at work here is just perfect: Raziel enters this scene still burning for vengeance, but Kain quickly makes him see that something far bigger than the two of them is at stake, and the way he does it, without apologizing for his actions or justifying them, truly reflect magnificently on Simon Templeman as an actor. You can hear the resigned, weary tone in his voice: he has seen all these events unfold before and was powerless to stop them, and he's now forced to see them unfold again, to relive all the horrible things that occurred after his resurrection. You can also hear a bit of understanding and patience in his voice as he speaks to Raziel: he knows what it's like to be manipulated and to be made a pawn in someone else's grand scheme, and in both cases, Mortanius and Moebius each played off their lust for vengeance. This scene marks the real beginning of a truly profound and amazing story, where the real conflict gets underway, and though it is a great scene on its own, when looked at as a part of a whole, it really ties the whole story of Legacy of Kain together perfectly. I just cannot come up with enough good things to say about this particular scene.
@ISetYourFaceOnFire
9 жыл бұрын
you just explained why this game's narrative can't be touched by today's interchangeable, corporate machine.
@abysswalker2115
7 жыл бұрын
BestWayKilla you also explained why i feel that if the series was just books, i would have still loved them either way
@farenhaid13421
6 жыл бұрын
Armando Perez If we had books we could have movies, GREAT MOVIES.
@yes4motivation
5 жыл бұрын
Glory to you. And your house.
@Henrodsantos
5 жыл бұрын
And this scene is very interesting if you consider the original ending to the first game ("crude and ill-concieved"). Also, this reenacts the opening of SR1 and their first meeting after Raziel was remade. Just chilling and brilliant.
@LutherOMight
4 жыл бұрын
4:40 - "Hate me but do it honestly" Kain will not apologise for what he did of what he is, he welcomes Razel's hate and revenge but he wants it to be for the right reasons, he wants Raziel to do so freely without Mobiou's influence
@BryonYoungblood
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Raziel just showed how he was an easy puppet, even with the free will he had, and how Moebius used him to achieve his master's machinations, and Kain can easily see how Raziel's hatred isn't his own, but just him being influenced by Moebius.
@AugustoCuervo-hx9pr
Жыл бұрын
@@BryonYoungblood But, "the secret that Raziel had to discover by himself", the lesson that teaches us that a coin can fall on its edge, is creating a paradox. The soul lacks feelings of hate and love, of repulsion and admiration. It's the only thing that can change destiny.
@BryonYoungblood
Жыл бұрын
@@AugustoCuervo-hx9pr As well as for Raziel to learn he had free will to allow him to change destiny as well. Plus Kain wanting Raziel to learn the secrets he had learned was to be done on his own so that no one else, not even Kain himself, could manipulate Raziel into doing what he was going to do.
@jackalkhan5676
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes that's just what it's like being a dad
@googlejse
5 жыл бұрын
i still come here 10 years later just to hear the perfectly written dialogue and story
@masterofthedeck
15 жыл бұрын
Kain's voice has the perfect balance of sinister and elegant. Additionally, the music in the background through this scene is tremendous.
@MagpieDynamics
Жыл бұрын
I love the snarl in his voice when angry, nobody does it like Simon Templeman.
@adamsanter9385
6 жыл бұрын
The Legacy of Kain saga is so underrated and overlooked by many, in my opinion it's a true masterpiece.
@jmcghane
6 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself.
@tomtinakiyama9949
5 жыл бұрын
Adam Santer I would love a HD remake of this series but sometime thing's are better off not being touch.
@JesusGarcia-dr6tg
5 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@friedrichschopenhauer2900
5 жыл бұрын
Verily.
@DanteSnake92
10 жыл бұрын
A fallen angel with a burning sword, an armoured tyrant on his throne... A man turned monster with messianic ambition, a righteous soldier turned fratricidal murderer. Redeemers, destroyers, two sides of one coin. The whole world their battleground as they move, unwittingly turned by the invisible hands of fate, inexorably surging towards each other, over and over.
@alessandrob.g.4524
9 жыл бұрын
Wow, man!
@DanteSnake92
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks, fellow Alessandro!
@branphillips9546
8 жыл бұрын
Your real name is Marley, isn't it?
@DanteSnake92
8 жыл бұрын
As in, Bob?
@branphillips9546
8 жыл бұрын
DanteSnake92 As in Shakespear's co-writer.
@arieldebarros
8 жыл бұрын
Once a week I'm here.
@arieldebarros
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, man. A shame not so many people know about it. Or not. It's brilliant.
@Atreus21
8 жыл бұрын
+Ariel Pirangy I check it out at least twice a year. Unparalleled. I still get goosebumps when Kain talks about the coin landing on its edge.
@racinesdesab
8 жыл бұрын
Just in case you didn't saw this scene in a while I reply to your comment! I too saw this scene like every week or two weeks for the past months! Amazing dialogue
@arieldebarros
8 жыл бұрын
***** Hahaha what a nice attitude, man! Thank you very much! Indeed, outstanding dialogue! Greetings from Brasil
@racinesdesab
8 жыл бұрын
No problem man! Greetings from France!
@LoneDragoon90
11 жыл бұрын
Nope. Kain's "The Pillars don't belong to them" line is accurate and not arrogance. Humans are not fit to be guardians. The pillars choose guardians at birth, and Vampires are no longer born. The binding was weakening with the passage of time of human guardians, hence how the Hylden Lord could break out to assassinate Ariel through Mortanius. Kain is right to restore them to Vampire guardians.
@SoulRippster
12 жыл бұрын
They don't write dialogues like these anymore... not even in movies, much less games. "You said it yourself, Kain... there are only two sides to your coin." "Apparently so, but suppose you throw a coin enough times... suppose one day, it lands on its edge." Fuckin' awesome.
@Mu91c14n
7 жыл бұрын
I know. I still get goosebumps hearing those lines.
@ahsansulehria8662
6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget "Free will is not an illusion"
@AJ-vz9oi
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BrandonBarbera
3 жыл бұрын
Fuckin stupid, youd haveto throw a coin many times to get it on Its edge, but yeaj I guess in desperation...
@The808Mixmaster
3 жыл бұрын
@@BrandonBarbera but it is possible possibly that's the point dumbass it is a possibility a one in a trillion chance but you never know.....
@Joudas
15 жыл бұрын
The death of Ariel *made* Kain the balance guardian - Kain was born at the exact moment of Ariel's death to take her place. When Nupraptor discovered Ariel dead, his grief corrupted the entire circle, including Kain, which is why the pillars fell. By purifying the wraith blade and entering the physical Reaver, Raziel purified Kain, allowing him to fulfill his true role as the Balance Guardian.
@BryonYoungblood
2 жыл бұрын
Yep, and thus being able to lead Kain down the path to be able to bring ownership of the Pillars of Nosgoth to vampires, in order to finally keep the Hylden locked away forever.
@lesangpro
2 жыл бұрын
@@BryonYoungblood Fascinating , a 2 days old reply for a solitary comment from 12 years ago . Had the wheel of fate truly turn again , or just my eyes playing trick on me ?
@BryonYoungblood
2 жыл бұрын
@@lesangpro Naw, they weren't. I just wanted to bring it up. XD
@Jarock316
10 ай бұрын
@BryonYoungblood Except by the time Kain was purified of his corruption, the Pillars were shattered, allowing the Hylden to return.
@BryonYoungblood
6 ай бұрын
@@Jarock316 But perhaps in the future, the Balance Pillar has been restored thanks to as being purified. But since the franchise has been stagnant, we likely will never know.
@tarvoc746
5 жыл бұрын
1:47 - "I've seen the beginning of the end of our story, however - and the tale is crude and ill-conceived." ...Even Kain hates Blood Omen 2.
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
2 жыл бұрын
@@tarvoc746 Isnt the last game in the series Defiance?
@tarvoc746
2 жыл бұрын
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Yes, but Defiance wasn't even in the making at the point in time when this line of dialogue was written. It's also specifically about rewriting the ending, which Kain refers to in the next sentence.
@ButaneBoss
7 жыл бұрын
I love how Raziel turned off his Reaver between 4:39 to 4:45 after receiving that bollocking from Kain.
@butcherbane3517
5 жыл бұрын
hahah me too
@Darkmage1293
5 жыл бұрын
"Let's drop the moral posturing shall we? ...HATE ME. But do so HONESTLY."
@nope53926
2 жыл бұрын
16 years later and this story telling is still my gold standard.
@aaron1138
11 жыл бұрын
I quite often have said that this may be the single best cutscene for a videogame. It doesn't pander to anything less than what it deserves. It has the perfect atmosphere and soundtrack.
@infernai
15 жыл бұрын
"Hate me, but do it honestly" I dunno why, but i just love that line! XD
@Teixas666
6 жыл бұрын
Kain basically saying " Quit your Bullshit Raziel, we both know why you are here , you want me dead for what i did to you, i can symphatize with it but at least have the stones to admit it."
@jimhuffman9434
4 жыл бұрын
@@Teixas666 Pretty much, yeah
@Polovene
3 жыл бұрын
Because of the quality of the voice acting
@glenngriffon8032
3 жыл бұрын
@@Teixas666 yup that's it exactly. Raziel, just one sentence before said that he was there to kill Kain to restore balance to Nosgoth. Kain knows that ain't the truth and he wants Raziel to stop lying to himself about his motivations. He doesn't really care about Nosgoth he just wants to hurt Kain and Kain counted on that hatred to bring Raziel to this point. Kain has also seen that he and many others in Nosgoth are just pawns in a bigger game, everyone is lying, especially to him. Mortanius lied to him, Moebius lied to him, Ariel lied to him, he was beset by treachery and manipulation every step of the way in his original quest. There's nothing Kain hates more than someone lying, not just to him but to themselves. He's not gonna judge someone for having a flimsy reason to do something, you don't need to be out to save the world to be motivated to act, anything that gets you to act is good enough to him because it's at least honest. He doesn't care if Raziel hates him or forgives him as long as he's honest about his motives. You notice Kain doesn't exactly lie to Raziel. He commits lies of omission by not telling Raziel the entire story right away but only because Raziel needs to look for his answers. Kain does want to be balance guardian and help Nosgoth but to do that he has to cut through the web of manipulation and lies that have been spun by Moebius and his master.
@Jeezes718
3 жыл бұрын
That whole line starting with ' let's drop the moral posturing' is my favorite in the whole series.
@dillanatreides
4 жыл бұрын
I love the little things like Kain frowning and crossing his arms after Raziel mentioned Moebius.
@tailedgates9
2 жыл бұрын
"HATE me, but do it HONESTLY." This line seriously speaks to me. Kain is basically saying, don't pretend that you coming after me is anything but for revenge. Don't hide behind faulty platitudes or a fake sense of altruism. Be honest about yourself. That can apply to almost anyone.
@BryonYoungblood
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, and he understood that, given the manipulations of others through his first journey in Blood Omen 1-- Mortanius with being the man who had him killed and turned him into a vampire so he could be able to have Kain accept his role as Scion of Balance, Moebius using Kain first by having turned William the Just into the Nemesis, then leading Kain to the past to kill William before he became the Nemesis to ensure he could "justify" wiping out all vampires in Nosgoth for his master, the Elder God, and Ariel for lying to him about his role as the Guardian of Balance after her death, so he could tell Raziel was lying about WHY he was trying to hunt him down, since he was used to people pulling the wool over his eyes, so it shows how Kain spited people who lacked honesty in themselves.
@SamuelBlack84
2 ай бұрын
Revenge is pure and honest Take it from someone who knows
@DasFunkwagen
13 жыл бұрын
"I know you're there, Raziel" damn Kain's such a smartass (and badass)
@followingtheroe1952
Жыл бұрын
"suppose one day it lands on its edge" this is why I think Kain cared for Raziel deeply and loved him this whole time. Knowing he had free will, Kain led him throughout history in order for him to discover the truth and do the right thing, without giving him a narrative with a drip-fed truth (like what EG and Moebius do). Instead he was willing to doom himself throughout countless timelines (this is what is referenced to "flip a coin enough times"), for the one time Raziel would finally choose to purify the blade. Everytime the wheel turned (a new timeline), he had complete faith in Raziels independence and free-will, willing to live in a doomed world if that world consisted of a Raziel he couldn't put faith in. He's basically saying "One day I'll reach you, even if its not this time, and thats ok"
@Teixas666
8 ай бұрын
Kain didnt have the power ot direct raziel as he was wheelbound himself, what he could howerver is nudge Raziel's decisions to ensure that he can ultimately postpone the point where raziel ismeant ot kill him and hope that buys him enough time to find a solution for his dilemma where both himself and Raziel cna live.
@Zerum69
4 жыл бұрын
"suppose you throw a coin enough times, suppose one day it lands on its edge" 2020 in a nutshell
@JesusGarcia-dr6tg
3 жыл бұрын
A very exquisite dialogue! it's like a novel
@LordDamianus
12 жыл бұрын
Nine Pillars Guardians: 1. Nupraptor the Mentalist (Guardian of Mind) 2. Malek the Paladin (Guardian of Conflict) 3. Bane the Druid (Guardian of Nature) 4. DeJoule the Energist (Guardian of Energy) 5. Azimuth the Planer (Guardian of Dimension) 6. Moebius the Time Streamer (Guardian of Time) 7. Anarcrothe the Alchemist (Guardian of States) 8. Mortanius the Necromancer (Guardian of Death) 9. Kain the Disruptor (Guardian of Balance)
@TajimaMunenori
5 жыл бұрын
Alas poor Nupraptor I knew him well...well not really.
@E-0921
4 жыл бұрын
Kain scion of balance
@Proletarius87
3 жыл бұрын
@@E-0921 "The Disruptor. Pebble in the pond, who destroys all he touches" :)
@DragonNexus
11 жыл бұрын
It's more that the ending was changed near the end of production. Originally in SR1 you killed Dumah, went to fight Turel and met a character known as The Priestess, gained abilities such as the Ariel Reaver and the Amplified Reaver (Black with red highlighting, like in the vision at the end of the game). This reaver was gained after he killed Kain at Malek's Retreat. You'd then climb the top of the Silence Cathedral, ring the bells and exterminate all remaining vampires. Glad the story continue
@marcellegault9752
9 жыл бұрын
simon templeman does an amazing job voicing kain but so does michael bell in voicing raziel. i dont know why raziel gets soo much hate. u have to see it from his point of view, he dosnt have the same knowledge about mobieus and the ancients vampires as kain does. although i do prefer kain over raziel. michael bell voicing raziels gives me goosebumps.
@gilgamesh310
6 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with that. Raziel wasn't so much arrogant, as ignorant. But so are we as the player, as we see things from his point of view. I found him mostly relatable in that sense. The only time I didn't like him, was when he wanted to fight Kain in Defiance, and ended up ripping his heart out. But at that point, the forces in that temple would have corrupted his emotions and made him do things he didn't want. Kain was also ignorant, and arrogant, in Blood Omen 1. But after so many centuries, he was able to acquire a good deal of knowledge. Although his arrogance still remained, to some degree.
@SageofSorrow
6 жыл бұрын
I honestly had NO idea people "disliked" Raziel. First I'm ever hearing of this. I always preferred him over Kain. His design, soul devouring mechanic, and plane shifting ability always made him more entertaining and intriguing to play. Plus he was more of the underdog of the series, and I always liked underdogs. I do like Kain, but LOVE Raziel. I do agree about his arrogance though. He came across quite pompous and self righteous at times(mostly in SR2).
@Zeithri
6 жыл бұрын
Trivia since I've never seen anyone mention it. When Raziel says he'll kill Kain " _...and thus, Balance will be restored.._ " is identical to what Kain would say in Blood Omen when he returned a token of the guardians to the pillars. " _The pillar accepted its offering, thus it was restored._ "
@luisman369
5 жыл бұрын
Well, of course. The pillars only restore themselves after their respective guardian dies. As Raziel said, Kain is "merely the last man standing".
@alessandrob.g.4524
9 жыл бұрын
I love the fact that the pillars base look like a coin.
@Sologamermayt
15 жыл бұрын
"Suppose you throw a coin enough times, suppose one day, it lands on it's edge" Best Line EVER! Kain always had the best video game voice for a main villan. Especially kain. Brillaint.
@astraltears1
12 жыл бұрын
The Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver series is one of the greatest ever, Graphics for their time were superb, Epic soundtrack, fluent control system, and an unforgettable storyline and atmosphere. This scene was very deep, Kain is an arrogant prick but wise and methodical to a scary degree. Raziel you really feel bad for, but he is a little thick headed it took a while for Kain's message to Raziel to sink in despite the fact they are both being used as puppets.
@alexanderstilianov
4 жыл бұрын
Hey girls... did you know... that um... _This is the sublime moment of our undoing, Raziel. The ineffable fulcrum upon which swings the entirety of our history. This is where all of Nosgoth is betrayed._
@AidenCaldwell
5 жыл бұрын
Such a profound statement to end an amazing narrative. Young me gasped audibly at the PS2 when this scene played and 20 odd years later, its effect has yet to blunt.
@scorn787
10 жыл бұрын
The very, very best dislodge in any game ever made. Also it is not until watching it a second time that you notice the expressions. The sour frown at the name of the Time Streamer and the look of regret and pity when he mentions Ariel haunting the pillars. You go through the whole game thinking Kain is the villain and maybe he is. He is a complete bastard but he does seem to have a soul.
@cloakspider2762
10 жыл бұрын
Kain's not so much a villian or a hero, but an antihero. He's always had a very clear view of what needed to be done for centuries, and isn't above considering the end justifying any means he needs to get there. Good may sleep better at night, but Evil gets shite *done*. ;)
@dr_rune
10 жыл бұрын
Nordin Reecendo I don't think Kain is a villain, though. A villain is, by definition, selfish. If he seeks to right a wrong, it is always a wrong done to him personally or to something he regards with esteem. If he seeks to do "justice", it is never equal to all parts, and he is always above it. If he seeks to "save", it is always at the cost of a sacrifice not of himself. Kain does all he does with the ultimate goal of restoring Nosgoth its beauty and its peace. It takes millennia, and it takes many treasons and deceits and schemes and death, but the very end is the salvation of a land dilapidated by really cruel beings. He chose to be a wolf-pack leader because he knew he was going against the wolves. D.R.
@gskaloyan
8 жыл бұрын
Kain could see into the future using Moebius' time streaming device. Not only could he use it to see into the future but to see alternate futures. Futures that might come to be or not. Raziel saw some of these alternative futures when he pursued Kain at the end of SR1. Think back to what Kain says about looking into time. *To know the future Raziel, to see its paths and streams tracing out into the infinite. As a man I could never have contained such forbidden truths.* Kain has looked throughout time for a way to fulfill his destiny and role as balance guardian, he wants to restore the pillars not just to their purity but to preserve Nosgoth. But he also wants to keep the pillars in the hands of the Vampires. Vampires originally created the pillars and were the guardians of Nosgoth, he wants desperately to bring Vampires back to this role. So he attempts over and over to cheat fate. He sees the game that is being played by Moebius and the Elder God and the Hylden. He sees how they cheat, lie, and manipulate one another to gain advantages and finds it repulsive how rigged the "game" is. So rather than play fair he attempts the greatest cheat, the most astounding lie and the most incredible manipulation of them all. He will defy fate itself. Alter time and bend it to his will in order to cheat all the other players. One little pawn on the board taking full control of the board and turning the game against the players. He knows Raziel is a key figure to his plan and in order to ensure Raziel fulfills that destiny he must become a wraith. A creature beyond the reach of the game who possess true freedom of will. When Raziel appears before Kain and displays his wings Kain is not shocked by envy or jealously, rather instead he sees this and comes to the immediate conclusion that the time has come. He sees that Raziel has achieved the form needed in order for all of the future plans to come to pass. He executes Raziel with a heavy heart filled with sorrow that he must put his most beloved "son" through such torture in order for Nosgoth to be saved. Kain is playing the long game. He's looking towards centuries or even millennia into the future. The end justifies all of the means. A realization Raziel comes to at the end of Defiance when he accepts being bound to the Reaver. What wasn't stated entirely clearly was that that act, Raziel entering the Reaver and giving Kain the sight to see the Elder God was actually an act of purification. Kain is now purified. Freed from the corruption Nupraptor infected him with. He can now fulfill his destiny as Balance Guardian. How? That remains to be seen.
@alexbenfield5250
10 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite cutscene in the game.
@arieldebarros
8 жыл бұрын
Mark it: this is The most beautiful scene i've seen.
@GmodPlusWoW
8 жыл бұрын
Now I imagine the scene done with thick London accents. "And there, roight in the middle of the Pillars, was the roight wanker what was going to smash them up." "'s loik ya said mate, 's only two side to yer bladdy coin." "Looks loik it at first, Raziel. But you keep tossing that bladdy coin. 'coz one day, 's gonna land on its edge, mate." *[poof]*
@BestWayKilla
7 жыл бұрын
I consider it the unquestioned high water mark of dialogue and storytelling in the medium. And that's saying quite a bit, because this series as a whole is just so amazingly written.
@SKI1333
8 жыл бұрын
best story ever told....
@dr_rune
16 жыл бұрын
"Hate me, but do it honestly" marvellous... "Suppose you throw a coin enough times... suppose one day, it lands on its edge"... undescribeably great... another of my most beloved quotes from this game. D.R.
@SaveAwesomeMatt
12 жыл бұрын
@Joudas "I am as I always was, Your right hand..." - Raziel. Kain NEVER wanted to see Raziel suffer, he was his favored son, his right hand, he cared for him and oddly that is why he threw him into the abyss, he didn't want to see him become imprisoned in the reaver sword. It's really amazing, and you see at the end of defiance, Kain is in utter grief trying to pull the blade from Raziel. This story is so beautifully written, I wish they would make another game.
@farenhaid13421
6 жыл бұрын
Im mature enough to admit a few things, mechanically soul rever 2 wasnt that great. The different reavers worked more as keys and the land was pretty lineal unlike the ps1 game...... HOWEVER... this, this is what makes the game great.. the story. Amy henning did a great job writing this, and Im grateful for playing this time after soul reaver one... It might not have the best content or the best unlockables or any nonsense that wanna shove down our throats like current games..... sometimes you just need a good story to make your game great.
@aiman_yt
5 жыл бұрын
The game is great because of its story. That's what I love about this series. And one of the reasons defiance wasn't as appealing: because it had too much mindless fighting compared to puzzle solving and story telling solving
@alexreilly6121
4 жыл бұрын
On the VERY first playthough, yes. Second and third perhaps OK. But even then it has already more or less become what it is. A linear as f00k thing, with a cheating combat system and hordes of unskippable cutscenes. This is no game. It's lies dressed up as one to scam you out of the cost to make you 'play' what should have been a couple of hours of video somewhere.
@ranzigerkaefer
4 жыл бұрын
The best scene ingame to me was when I (Raziel) left the Saravan stronghold and dived deep in the crystal clear water outside...
@ISetYourFaceOnFire
11 жыл бұрын
God DAMN some of, if not the best dialogue and voice acting I've ever in any game. This scene is just so entertaining to watch. Their back and forth exchange, each bringing up convincing and compelling arguments all the while in reality, Kain's the teacher, and Raziel is the student. Atleast that's how I see it. Evey single bloody line is quotable. Simon Templeman(Kain) and Michael Bell(Raziel" outdid themselves.
@tarvoc746
4 жыл бұрын
Having worked as a philosophy teacher at a University myself, I can get behind that assessment.
@dr_rune
8 жыл бұрын
I just realized this scene also comes with its little irony. Kain mocks Raziel for even presuming that Moebius was a trustworthy source, by remarking how absurd it would be for him to jump into Oblivion for his revenge... and yet it was Kain who actually ordered him into the Abyss. If written so on purpose, then it's a clever desmantling of Raziel's reason for pursuing Kain, a slight of honor, and also an indication of how important Raziel was, how he can choose not to fall into the Abyss. Perhaps I'm seeing too much into it, but I think Amy Hennig left few of the details of this franchise to chance, in my opinion. This game is specially solid at a narrative level. This is the height of the Legacy of Kain. I wouldn't put it above her to include such minute details in her work. That's what makes this game great, actually. It makes sense and it's compelling, on top of the awesome voice-acting.
@omarlozano9374
7 жыл бұрын
Hasfast yeah, this one and their conversation by Willem's tomb are definitely peak Legacy of Kain.
@BestWayKilla
7 жыл бұрын
Definitely, Amy Henning can be considered perhaps the chief architect of, in my opinion, the most well-written, intricately and painstakingly detailed stories in the video game medium. As bad as I'd like another game to be made, I don't think I'd play it if she wasn't brought back to write it.
@ravelordneato4107
5 жыл бұрын
by the time kain orders to throw Raziel into the abyss, he already knows that his lieutenents will all get corrupted and become mostrosities. And he knew that Raziel would be somehow "spared" if he'd condemn him to the abyss (he already had access to the timeweaving machine) So he spares him. Not out of altruism, but to start to set in motion the initial idea of a plan. To throw a wrench into the cogs of destiny.
@fuckgoogle4405
4 жыл бұрын
Oh I agree and there's all kinds of little scenes that show how much thought was really put into this writing. I mean hell, I was playing Soul Reaver 2 the other day and noticed something I never noticed in my first playthroughs-- how when Raziel kills his past self, they're both standing on an ouroboros.
@Proletarius87
3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the reason why Kain destroyed Raziel's wings, was simply to take from him possibility to simply fly away, cause Raziel has to fall into the Abyss.
@Aideyqt
7 жыл бұрын
i've been watching this video since you first uploaded it back in 2006. its hard to believe its been ten years, even harder to believe that this amazing game came out even before that. at this point we'll probably never get a remaster or remake, but perhaps that is for the better as it leaves the series to be appreciated as it was originally developed.
@nataq01
10 жыл бұрын
for the love of god, why havent i played this when this game was new...
@nickprovencio3057
6 жыл бұрын
Shall i show you the same mercy you showed the rest of the circle then savage af
@nikilauda3368
3 ай бұрын
Best dialogue in videogame history
@DannyGaendon
7 жыл бұрын
Most genius diolgue in game history
@DanTheManCalter
2 жыл бұрын
145k views... At least 4 or 5k of those have to be mine over the years
@User-fc2nn
Жыл бұрын
I have only one view because I never closed the tab since the video was uploaded.
@derekfortner4008
Жыл бұрын
Seeing the merciless and unapologetic Kain put his face into his hand to not see the moment that damned Nosgoth is more telling than anything. It shows not only the horror and importance of this one occurrence that Kain is narrating, but also speaks volumes of Kain's growth in character since Blood Omen. He is no longer the reckless, bloodthirsty warmongerer who literally enjoys the thought of the Nemesis coming into Willendorf and destroying it. He is now a weary warrior who has realized that raw power does nothing in the strings of manipulation. And now he must unshackle himself and all of Nosgoth. And it all rests in someone else's hands, his own creation that he damned to torturous remaking in order to fulfill the requirements to defeat the Wheel of Fate and it's manipulator, the Elder God.
@GmodPlusWoW
15 жыл бұрын
Well, the Hylden were many, in the billions, and very powerful. Even Kain himself wouldn't be able to defeat them ALL, even with the aid of EVERY vampire, including his lieutenants. The Glyph magix nearly eliminated the Hylden. Kain was barely able to defeat them without the Reaver, but he managed it. The only time the Hylden could ever return would be if there was only ONE vampire left. If Raziel had activated the Silenced Cathedral, all vampires would've died, and the Hylden would return...
@butcherbane3517
5 жыл бұрын
When Raziel retracts the wraith blade....you know he's been listening to Kain for too long
@captainblack3043
Жыл бұрын
I have the defiance game still .I need to play this game again so bad .
@Pitchguest
12 жыл бұрын
It's complicated. It's explained in the first game of the series. To sum it up, Nupraptor (Guardian of Mind) and Ariel (former Guardian of Balance) are lovers. Ariel is murdered by the Hylden, Kain is born to replace her and when Nupraptor finds her corpse shortly after he becomes mad from grief- and he corrupts the other Guardians who are symbiotically bound to him, including Kain. So at the moment of his birth, Kain was tainted, making him unable to carry out his true duty as Balance Guardian.
@RAZZAtheREAVER
15 жыл бұрын
"But suppose you throw a coin enough times... Suppose one day, it lands on its edge" has to be the single greatest quote ever spoken in the history of this earth.
@jimhuffman9434
4 жыл бұрын
Do you have an idea how many times you would have to throw a coin for it to land on its edge?
@retractingblinds
4 жыл бұрын
@@jimhuffman9434 It's a secret hidden in your very presence here.
@BansheeKing22
4 жыл бұрын
@@jimhuffman9434 Its a metaphor for the fact that in life you really only have two choices and that you're doomed to one or the other. The edge of the coin signifies you yourself fighting against anything and everything to create a third option, a third choice. One you choose instead of it being chosen or forced upon you like the other two choices are.
@Paris__Michael
2 жыл бұрын
@@retractingblinds LmAO 🤣🤣😆😆😆👏🏾👏🏾👌🏾!
@Joudas
15 жыл бұрын
It was evident in SR1, too - Kain banters with Raziel in an almost friendly manner even while he's fighting him. I conjecture that Kain knew he couldn't kill Raziel (Kain couldn't reach into the spectral realm, so there was really no danger for Raziel in that fight).
@shadowknife333
4 жыл бұрын
I'm here every day
@PelelaXd
6 жыл бұрын
Dude.. who writed this, its fantastic...
@jmcghane
6 жыл бұрын
its still even to this day one of my favorite games that I ever played.
@Teixas666
6 жыл бұрын
Amy Henning.
@BerserkerDre
5 жыл бұрын
Wrote* bro
@NightWanderer31415
5 жыл бұрын
Wrote
@quintonthevillain2745
6 жыл бұрын
God this game really was something else. Still one of my all time favorite`s, if not, flatout most favorite narrative wise.
@LoneDragoon90
11 жыл бұрын
The only condition to maintain the binding was that the guardians should be vampires - hence why they kidnapped humans to turn them at birth. Thats what caused Moebius and Mortanius to rebel. Mortanius saw the real reason for this however, and created Kain as a vampire to restore the Pillars to Vampire guardianship. If Kain had sacrificed himself, the Vampires would be extinct and the binding would fail. The pillars would probably collapse as a result of this.
@KevinsYouTube
2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. These guys don't want to make TR games. They want... they DESERVE to make their own games. Let's go guys!
@stinkfinga4918
Ай бұрын
Raziel had such a funny existence. First hes a tool of the Sarafan, dies, and is resurrected as a vampire to be a tool for Kain. Dies again, and is resurrected as a wraith to be a tool for the Elder God. Travels time to kill himself, then travels time again to kill himself, again, so he can go back to being a tool for Kain so he can find a way to restore the pillars and remain an asshole simultaneously.
@BobZOMG1984
2 жыл бұрын
4:35 "Revenge is motivation enough; at least it's honest. Hate me, but do it honestly."
@Akanio_Vatheros
14 күн бұрын
Has anyone else ever experienced a glitch during this cutscene that allowed you to run around during it?
@Henrodsantos
6 күн бұрын
How this level of voice acting was achieved in 2001??
@GmodPlusWoW
15 жыл бұрын
I've read many books in my life, many novels. They weren't as good as the storyline of Legacy of Kain. What they should actually do is make a Legacy of Kain novel. Hell, i'd sure read it.
@1stRateSerrvice
3 жыл бұрын
"Hate me... but do it honestly."
@latoyawright3900
5 жыл бұрын
Hate me! But do It honestly. -Kain💯
@ultrainstinctbroly4333
2 жыл бұрын
i really hope someone with enough care and love comes along and remasters the series, and continues the vision we can all see
@monkeyman767
11 ай бұрын
I swear to god the line "Hate me, but do it honestly" changed my life. Not everyone's gonna like you in life, but i can at least respect the ones that say it to my face
@ISetYourFaceOnFire
10 жыл бұрын
I think I've finally figured out why Kain threw Raziel into the abyss. It wasn't out of jealously, it was so Kain would create a creature with free will to alter nosgoth's history.
@Merc7734
9 жыл бұрын
Yup. He knew what Raziel was and needed him to create the second paradox.
@SoulRippster
9 жыл бұрын
+Razielx92 Third, there are three paradoxes, Moebius' one, when Raziel doesn't kill Kain and then when Kain saves Raziel. But yeah you're right... still, Raziel is used as a tool by everyone, including Kain.
@KalvinEllis
8 жыл бұрын
+SoulRippster Yeah, with the difference being that Kain doesn't manipulate Raziel for malevolent purposes. But of course you don't learn that until later on.
@AngelCakes1997
8 жыл бұрын
I've heard it's been hypothesised that Kain looked into the future and saw how he'd finally die and took precautions for it. With how Kain is I doubt it was originally to save Nosgoth but more for his own life. He may have eventually decided to save the world but it definitely wasn't to begin with XD.
@SoulRippster
8 жыл бұрын
+Ethan Stansmore That's no hypothesis... he knew how he was going to die. He was going to die next to William's Tomb, that's what was supposed to happen, but ended up convincing Raziel not to do it.
@BestWayKilla
12 жыл бұрын
That's because Kain never really held any ill feelings towards Raziel, in fact by then end of Defiance it's obvious Kain has a great deal of remorse for Raziel. At the end of Defiance, any animosity they've had towards each other is gone.
@halfbreed_k
4 жыл бұрын
Geez memory lane. Spent many sleepless nights playing this gem.
@trial_with_an_error9687
Жыл бұрын
Something to note here is that Raziel chooses to stop and listen to Kain. He could have attacked him at any given point, but instead he CHOSE to listen to him. This was the first instance of Raziel being free from the Wheel's influence.
@monkeyman767
6 күн бұрын
Who's here after the remaster announcement??
@arieldebarros
8 жыл бұрын
Gente, isso é lindo demais. Puta que pariu. Greetings from Brasil.
@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ
8 ай бұрын
17 years later yet this masterpiece is as stunning as the day it has being released
@Anihime
16 жыл бұрын
It is both, but I may have not explained well. The Pillars were raised to restore balance to the world, which was severely shaked by a weapon the Hylden used, and to keep them banished from Nosgoth.
@Zarzanator
13 жыл бұрын
isnt it amazing how this whole series has so many questions u just gotta ask? rly amazing game plot is 5/5 really deep and not so easy to understand.
@GmodPlusWoW
15 жыл бұрын
Oops, I didn't mean "The Glyph magics nearly eliminated the Hylden", I mean the Glyph magics nearly eliminated the Vampires. Bit of a mix-up, there...
@friedrichschopenhauer2900
5 жыл бұрын
I know most of these lines by heart.
@LaserShark123
12 жыл бұрын
I never get tired of watching this scene. Never.
@NathanDunlap-j9w
4 ай бұрын
A Ty Reaper awesome 7.5
@Gabriel05290
6 күн бұрын
WE ARE SO BACK
@ISetYourFaceOnFire
6 жыл бұрын
My god...seriously. the facial animations are out of this world good. it puts to shame so many games that came after it and games that still come out today with crappy mo cap facial animations.
@revolverskin
9 жыл бұрын
So, what was that secret Kain spoke about at the end of the cutscene? The "third option"? Man, how I love this series. Never played Blood Omen, I started with LoK, but unfortunately when I played it I was very young and since English is not my first language I couldn't understand most of the dialogues (no subs either). So there are lots of things in the story that I still can't quite get. There should be a remake of all the games in the series (Blood Omen and LoK), with the original, kick-ass dialogues, but with the graphics that the latest generation of consoles can deliver, I would buy it without hesitation. Don't you think fellas?
@Merc7734
9 жыл бұрын
The same way Mobius created a paradox to alter history. Kain wants create his own paradox to try and restore the original timeline and stop the pillars from being destroyed.
@Teixas666
8 жыл бұрын
its implied the third option was the reaver's and raziel's potential ot create paradoxes, since raziel after "dieing" in the abyss was outside of the reach of Mobius and (SPOILER)EG's influence. Kain was attempting to create his own to undo what Mobius did in blood Omen(the evets at this stage ofthe game happen before blood omen) to elaborate(Spoilers btw): the reaver's Sould devouring properties were not designed in the blade, it was the result of the blade taking over Raziel and absorbing him(the eventthat hapens at the end of SR2 ) this means raziel is effectively wielding " himself", his soul being both wihthin him, and outside of him(in the reaver); this is a paradox(this was the reason why the reaver shattered when kain tried ot strike raziel dow nwith it, the blade coudl not devour its own soul) this paradox is even greater when the physical reaver is present, maing it strong enough ot affect History, this is what both moebius and Kain are banking on ot change history in their favor
@MrMakuwa
12 жыл бұрын
As Kain said "Either way, the game is rigged." The Elder God grew stronger as the pillars decayed, which is puzzling. Events in Defiance lead to believe that he was a vampire god, that, for some reasons turned against them. I need to play the saga again :D On the side note, I used this vid to persuade my gf that video games are extremely good way of learning language (she's English teacher and we're from Poland :))
@Teixas666
6 жыл бұрын
the EG is not actually a God he's an entity that somehow managed ot attach itself to the wheel of fate(the whole cycle of death and rebirth is a natural event on LoK not governed by anyone), due ot this parasitic link the EG has some control over it this caused it to hunger over the souls that enter this cycle, he drains them of their eenergy before sneding the mback to the wheel(weaker and drained of any knowledge acquired), he indirectly instigated the Vampire /Hylden conflict ot keep the souls coming thru war but when the Hylden Cursed the Vampire(they knew of the nature of their beleifs) they made them immortal: this excludes them from the Wheel of fate. in the Vampire's eye's this caused Thier God(they dont know of the EG they worship the wheel) turned silent on them leading many to suicide in a desperate attempt ot return to the wheel(but failed, their immortality trapped their souls from ever reaching the wheel)
@KevinsYouTube
2 жыл бұрын
I think this game is beyond amazing. I wonder if anyone from crystal is even still at the studio at this point in time?
@1xXx2012xXx1
2 жыл бұрын
Sure they might be but the IP at the moment -this comment is made- is on the hands of square enix, because was it silicon knights or a branch of crystal dinamics? held the rights of the series when square bought it, they made the latest tomb raiders who also were part not only of eidos
@madsli
6 жыл бұрын
I would have really liked it if at 5:48 Kain said "they belong to me."
@alexreilly6121
4 жыл бұрын
Ironically that or even 'I belong to them', wouldn't have been inaccurate :)
@Atreus21
14 жыл бұрын
@RAZZAtheREAVER Not sure if it's the best in the history of the world, but I can't listen to it without getting chills. This whole series is the best vampire story ever crafted.
@SageofSorrow
17 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is the BEST take on vampire mythology i've seen.
@anothenymously7054
2 жыл бұрын
It was then, I saw
@rodaspinu
3 жыл бұрын
Now I can see the corruption on Nosgoth spread because of two guardians falling in love. That is why fellas you should never do the same in your teamwork lol
@robbelk1982
3 жыл бұрын
Here in 2020
@ultrainstinctbroly4333
4 жыл бұрын
I learn something new every time I listen to this
@tarvoc746
4 жыл бұрын
0:58 - "Moebius trolls for the ignorant and unwary, hauling his gasping prey from the streams of their destinies. He is essentially 4chan."
@tarvoc746
4 жыл бұрын
@M Heh. The term Kain uses here is actually "trawls". As in, Moebius is fishing for the ignorant and unwary with a large, close-mesh fishnet. In a way, it's closer to the "This is Bait" meme. Still, it sounds exactly like he's saying "Troll". XD
@DominicPersonal-g3l
22 күн бұрын
Kain's words of advice to Raizel I dont like "Kain killing Umah Voradors appreintance".
@DefinitelyNotYourDad
6 ай бұрын
Can't believe I was like 9 playing this
@lostson7122
5 ай бұрын
lol. I love the thought of a 9 year old trying to figure out this story.
@smitemus
4 жыл бұрын
"The coin is still turning."
@TheLegacyofKain
16 жыл бұрын
this is my most favourite part in the game
@mansuru
17 жыл бұрын
The story is complicated though awesome, it tends to throw gaps everytime.
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