Alhamdulillah, shukran to my Mizan and Al Furqan teachers who are taking a stand and showing true leadership with this discussion. May Allah SWT accept the dua and continue to bless and protect this ummah. Ameen
@nuraandavids-latief1904
4 ай бұрын
JazaakAllah kheir for this conversation. It was immensely enlightening to confirm one's thoughts and also to hear that the panelists share the confusion as well, given the various factors to consider. This debate was very useful. Shukran so much for starting this conversation, from a Muslim's perspective. May Allah reward you well for this platform, and may Allah protect each of you and your families, Ameen.
@zahidebrahim423
4 ай бұрын
Aslm, we cannot let the DA win in the Western Cape, and by voting for the smaller parties you are ensuring a DA victory
@shereem3291
3 ай бұрын
That will be sad when the DA loses the Cape because the Cape is the ONLY province that works while all the other provinces is all down the messy 😢 tube
@kosiekoos9408
3 ай бұрын
DA did it! In GNU
@kaashiefataliep3383
4 ай бұрын
Shukran for everyone's input, it was very useful Algamdullilah
@mclovin1071
4 ай бұрын
Moulana Khalil and Sh. M west represents the most pragmatic, logical and mature opinions.
@nadeemahgalvaan7383
4 ай бұрын
Aslm. Shukran for this program. I think we as muslims need to look at how much support do we get from the government and political parties for our Masaajid and islamic institutes. Our vote needs to cover our needs as muslims in this country. If all the new muslim orientated parties that are surfacing now, can become one, it will make our say as muslims in the political field much stronger.
@alkebulanafricanconversati1728
4 ай бұрын
I'm a black South Africans living overseas. I must say I am really proud of my country standing up to the hegemony. I am one of many South Africans who are not happy with the ANC, but with the stunts of South Africa internationally I stand with the ANC and I am coming home to make sure I give my vote to them. ANC was going through a phase of uneducated comrade and I beleive that phase has past, we now see a cohort of relatively young ANC leaders backed by education. You see the change in ANC with the changes that are happening, trains are back, SARS surpassed expected revenue collection after going through corrupt individuals, South Africa is back as the number economy in Africa, SAA back on its Australian route again, Eskom's measures on mitigating load-shedding are finally showing up. So I believe ANC has turned the curve
@hidayatullaharnekar3223
4 ай бұрын
Assalaamu Alaikum I will be voting SUN on all 3 ballot papers. Our motto is Leaders you can Trust to be Honest and Just. We encourage all South Africans to change the course of history vote SUN. You gave the other parties 30 years what have they given you? May Allah help us and keep us on the straight path aameen.
@hidayatullaharnekar3223
4 ай бұрын
We call on the 8 million people that did not vote in the 2019 elections to vote for SUN in the 2024 elections.
@alkebulanafricanconversati1728
4 ай бұрын
@hidayatullaharnekar3223 they have really given me a lot to be quite honest. I was raised in a shack, when I look at my life today and compare it with where I come from, I myself can't believe. So I think the notion that ANC had 30 years and did nothing is a lie perpetuated by certain elites to change regime. Don't get me wrong, ANC has also done a lot of wrong, so much corruption. However, I believe at its core, ANC is for the people, it got hijacked by criminals which they are trying to flush out. I respect your choice of vote but I am going to vote ANC once again.
@hidayatullaharnekar3223
4 ай бұрын
Let us base our rule on the Qur'an and Sunnah. Allah is the Ruler and we are His servants. Allahu Akbar wa lillahil hamd.
@hidayatullaharnekar3223
4 ай бұрын
Seat allocation. If 20 million people vote. 400 seats equates to 50 000 votes for a seat. If one million people vote for the 2 parties you will have 20 seats amongst them.
@Aalia2211
4 ай бұрын
People need to be educated. Jazakallah khair for initiating this discussion.
@fazlinadams-waggie142
4 ай бұрын
Aslm. Shukran for a very important and informative discussion. May Allah resurrect many strong leaders who can make South Africa a strong and just country. Ameen
@ntokozolugogo4762
4 ай бұрын
Muslims should vote for bigger parties to remove DA from power in the Western Cape, that province is more segregated than before under the racist DA... There's even things like Cape Exit now
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
they are too racist to vote for black led parties....they hate blacks thats why they mistreat black people in their countries where they come from....
@shereem3291
3 ай бұрын
The Cape is the only province that works while ALL the other provinces is down in the gutters😢 by yours truly ANC
@fin2-em2mf
3 ай бұрын
@@shereem3291 the cape works in what way??? do you live in khayelitsha or the cape flats?? and yes the ANC is busy WASTING MONEY fighting for rotten palestine..
@KazieD
4 ай бұрын
Vote ANC especially if you are in the WC. This province has been more segregated ever since the blue party took over 15 years ago.
@WasheilaLaatoeKariem
4 ай бұрын
A definite NO. Muslims have been marginalized, disregarded and oppressed by them. A few months ago the President made a public statement admitting that they have for the past 30 years disregarded the minorities. He has also said , before the ICJ hearing that he has a secret weapon to win the elections ( using the pain and suffering of Palestinians)
@JuicyJLee
3 ай бұрын
Lol what you saying is ANC will fuck up the WC and we will be equally fucked with the rest of SA amazing
@JuicyJLee
3 ай бұрын
Why
@sharafatlatief9854
4 ай бұрын
Assalamu alaikum. Sukran for hosting this discussion.
@abumuhammadcapetown7494
4 ай бұрын
Shukran for discussing this topic. May Allah reward all those involved
@seraajregal4663
4 ай бұрын
For the non-muslim listeners Muslim ruling types mandatory (farḍ or wājib), recommended (mandūb or mustaḥabb), neutral (mubāḥ), reprehensible (makrūh), forbidden (ḥarām).
@senzomthembu261
3 ай бұрын
The biggest mistake a Muslims may do is 2 vote 4 ANC as a tank u 4 ICJ case.This was a collective effort voted by parliament members.It's EFF dt organized more than 1 mash n Malema criticized ANC n other parties 4 not taking a stand by choosing a side.He even went as far as 2 advocate 4 d embassy removal,removal of products from d shelfs etc.
@abdurrazaaqchafeker9776
4 ай бұрын
Brilliant Brilliant discussion my brothers. Unlike our Ulama from Joberg that are cut off from the lived reality of most of the Muslims around the country, the Joberg Ulama are saying voting is haraam.....
@abdullahsonday5138
3 ай бұрын
Ahsantum ya mashaaikh! This honestly has unveiled so many things, especially for us youth who might have no clue what and who to vote for. I’ve never heard such clarity from scholars before.
@mymonagaffoor3528
4 ай бұрын
Aslm. Jazaakumullaah for an enlightenjng conversation, clarifying some misconceptions and providing invaluable guidance. My view is that corruption can be fixed but racism/zionism is a mindset - hard to overcome. START A NEW PARTY AMONGST YOURSELVES 🤲🤲🤲
@yusriwentzel726
4 ай бұрын
This discussion is lit mashallah🔥
@fatimawise7653
4 ай бұрын
The ANC government has created excellent inroads to combat corruption, the fact that corruption is deeply entrenched and systematic and thus it will take a long time to resolve. Additionally our justice system is weak and this is why we cannot get those who have been accused to be called to account.
@ZSam978
4 ай бұрын
Aslm. Jazaak Allah Khayr for the much needed and insightful discussion. My take-away: Increase accountability and decrease power nationally by voting for a smaller muslim party that already has clout. For the Western Cape/Cape Town, get the DA out by voting for a powerful opposer that aligns (mostly) with our Islamic values.
@mohamedfaadielwilliams6699
4 ай бұрын
Mashaa ALLAH!!! Ta barakallah! May ALLAH reward all of you Shuyoeg for this very relevant, cogent discourse/discussion mashaa ALLAH I fully agree with the salient points of this discussion mashaa ALLAH: 1 We must vote 2 DONT vote for the parties (e.g. DA) that are pro Israel/GENOCIDE 3 Once you have excluded the pro Israel/Genocide parties, it gets more complicated, no parties are perfect: Which parties are aligned with my principles? Which parties have the ability to rule? National/Provincial/Ward. Which parties will forward the Islamic agenda best? 4 We must engage in civic duties to build a better country ALLAH Knows Best, may we be guided Shukran again honourable Shuyoeg ❤ Dr. Muhammad Faadiel Williams
@mohammedaasifk
4 ай бұрын
Shukraan for the wonderful video really made the decision much easier to make.
@seraajregal4663
4 ай бұрын
I voted yesterday allready Allgamdulillah Never ever heard of SUN before this discussion
@bahidjamajiet5581
4 ай бұрын
Looking at the world and the mess it is currently in with Islamaphobia taking the forfront , we as 2% of this countrys population are extremely fortunate here in South Africa to be existing in peace Alhamdulilah...we can co-exist with just about anybody in a most peacefull manner irrespective of our race , colour or creed. Muslim schools are growing in numbers and as parents we know our kids are getting the best education they deserve in life in this regard. We should be proud that our country are historically involved in the liberation of Palestine and just being part of that alone is one of the greatest achievements of this country ever Alhamdulilah ...Are there any other leaders in South Africa currently that can offer us as muslims or any other religion the same freedom to practice these religions as freely as we do currently .... personally i cannot think of another party that will openly support all religions as much as the current government is doing ......( me thinking out loud and wondering ❤)
@dumisanikhumalo1874
4 ай бұрын
Don't forget what eff is been supporting you since 2016 till the date .The motion took by the eff to Parliament was eff image is not in government but your decision is up to you Guys vote for eff
@1961rey
4 ай бұрын
Malema must clarify his position on Indians, he is always speaking against Indians
@soumayaviljoen3580
4 ай бұрын
Shukran Katheer for this very informative and and enlightening discussion. I share it with my kids who are all academics but they are all apathetic towards voting... I hope that they too found this beneficial
@nabewiyaevans926
4 ай бұрын
Im voting for the first time and i will only Vote ANC and Al Jamah
@tracychoolan9812
4 ай бұрын
Looks like you have being living under a Rock all this time,wake up
@alkebulanafricanconversati1728
4 ай бұрын
@tracychoolan9812 you are the one that needs to wake up, DA is racist and is an extension of western powers.
@rezavanschalkwyk1361
4 ай бұрын
Mln should do podcast with Al-Jamā'a, mln Tawfiq and mln Ghalil. It will be great.
@anitagomes3224
3 ай бұрын
Don't confuse religion with politics. Voting for the wrong party will not improve the struggle in South Africa or in Palestine. You need to look at what is needed to improve the quality of life for all South Africans, to give a better life to the millions in your own country. So many people in this country are dying from hunger, do not have water or electricity or access to health care. 32% youth unemployment, crime rate high, so many innocent people dying. By voting for ANC, EFF, MK will not change these issues, they are corrupt and will continue to loot. Open your eyes and see how many people can be saved if we vote for a party like ActionSA, IFP, UIM, ACDP, FF, DA.. They are not anti Palestine, they are calling for the a two state solution, condemning loss of innocent life on both sides and condemning terrorist regimes. Don't be fooled by ANC they are using your vote which equates to less than 1.8% of the total votes. Don't be on the wrong side of history. Vote with your head and not your heart. If we don't fix this country by voting for change, we will then contribute to its downfall leading to more hardship and suffering for our people. Charity starts at home. If your economic situation improves, you can then better support your ideals and the causes closer to your heart and your religion.
@Oufie1972
3 ай бұрын
Troll spotted! Why are you even here!
@2Believeable
4 ай бұрын
Excellent! Shukran brothers.
@ridewaansalie3967
4 ай бұрын
Jazakallah for your informative discussion.
@AyubA201
4 ай бұрын
Much needed talk. Jazakumillahu khayran.
@HoliMoliMtb-qz4um
4 ай бұрын
Al-jamaah is the only Muslim party left in South Africa. They have a few ulama involved in the party. Nobody is perfect but they a good option bithnillah!
@anitagomes3224
3 ай бұрын
What have they done in Johannesburg, they cannot make a difference.
@ES-rc7zb
3 ай бұрын
Beautiful alhumdulillah. Very informative and a must listen 🤲
@toparadise9641
4 ай бұрын
The sad reality is that we have to choose the least bad party. None of them are good. My neighborhood is really well run, so that's who I'm voting for.
@nadz7
3 ай бұрын
Who will take this Palestine case further when Min Naledi retire 🤔
@ismailkajee2554
4 ай бұрын
The reason we have dissonance in decision making is that we lack a STRATEGY - a strategy which expands beyond voting. Lobbying and influence is key and without the key stakeholders (Muslims) from business, labour and government and theology we cannot progress effectively.
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
i dont know why black people are busy fighting for muslims when they are christains...you want to vote based on your religion...you want to live according to your islam...and i think its high time, black people do the same...
@1961rey
4 ай бұрын
More than One million Muslims in South Africa cannot form a solid political party, its a shame
@SiphoMkize
3 ай бұрын
True young Muslim must joined public sector cause many have been blinded and the purse is amazing
@Tj-vf3ll
4 ай бұрын
We don’t like ANC for its corruption. It should change its directives here at home to match that of its foreign standing which is admirable.
@user-zl1lw4et8x
4 ай бұрын
Aslms we also need to look at what the Parties have to offer and also whether these Parties are actively involved in the Communities after the Elections and not just get actively involved in Community work before elections take place. Take note of Community activists that are always Actively involved with the Interests of All People in Western Cape and South Africa.
@ahmedsaidsibda1595
4 ай бұрын
Need to understand what it means to give your vote to a person/ party . What are you actually allowing them to do as your representative . You need to fully understand their manifestos and action plan . Understand them in their personal lives (character/ actions) etc that warrants you to vote for them
@moegamatstuurman5621
4 ай бұрын
Very interesting discussion, I do how ever think we need to take perspective of where we find ourselves internationally, nationally and locally. To isolate the current fore runners, in the political parties, I think is good to make sure the intellectual Muslim make an informed decision. Coalition or smaller parties would also not be able to run the country, they clearly don't have the infrastructure to do that. So you left with three parties, ANC, EFF and the DA. Sheigh Muhammad, made a very interesting joke and the mention about following the money are just as interesting, because corruption stems from that. The fact that the Muslims under estimate our own values and power, be that voting power, you need to weigh that up with your buying power. So I do think true leadership needs to be found and developed within the Islamic scholars and make our voice heard. We have the necessary infrastructure to guide and empower leadership from the younger generations. Currently the power balance is with the older rich men/women/people. Getting involved with city and government and public service is good, but it's going to take a huge amount time and effort. I love the smirk Sheigh Muhammed. Vote with being Allah Conscience and servicing they communities you serve in. Trust me we need to get rid of the politicians /Corruption / and get our hands dirty.
@gairoonishaboolay4331
4 ай бұрын
Vote Anc or AL jeem. Anc was the only Party willing to speak against Genocide. It's the only Party that The Palestinians have at the high court. Yes they did many things wrong and can improve but they stood against oppression. Algamdulila
@WasheilaLaatoeKariem
4 ай бұрын
PR, using the pain and suffering of the Palestinians to garner muslim votes. President made a public statement a few months ago that the minorities were ignored by them for the past 30 years. Don't be fooled. The country is on the brink of collapse. Muslims cannot vote for the Zionists either.
@Actiwake
4 ай бұрын
We must vote for "representatives" not "leaders"
@senzomthembu261
3 ай бұрын
If it wasn't 4 Zuma SA would hv been Neto ryt now under Ramaphosa's ANC.ANC n Ramaphosa r traped by BRICS which I personally think it was Zuma's best geopolitical move ever.
@nadz7
3 ай бұрын
Ameen great debate
@louiseroderick9910
4 ай бұрын
Strange how people will vote based on their religion and forget how the current government has failed.
@misterstevens1977
4 ай бұрын
It depends are what you define as a failure
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
whites and muslims vote on race and then expect blacks to not do the same...and i see that muslims are using stupid ANC government to fight their muslim arab wars....lol...and this government is too stupid to see that
@nabewiyaevans926
4 ай бұрын
Very sad that you so confused. 😢😢😢 the moon shot intend of giving usa western cape they stand together. We need to stand with Anc right now if the Muslims cry i will ask if you didn't vote anc if not then don't cry.
@mikielgrato5705
4 ай бұрын
It's a lose lose honestly the da wants to give the country to the USA, and the anc wants to give it to the Chinese, and posters even have Chinese written on them
@anitagomes3224
3 ай бұрын
EFF policies align with Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, Zimbabwe and look what happened in those countries. You have to look at what will change your economic situation and improve the lives of all in South Africa. Only then can you look to change the world. STOP referring to all white South Africans as racist. On the 17 March 1992, 69% of all white registered voters in the apartheid era voted for change in a referendum to put an end to apartheid. During the first 4 years we had a multi party government a party of national unity chaired by Nelson Mandela his vision to unify all South Africans. The country was well run and everyone benefitted. Since he stepped down the ruling party ANC and the EFF and now the MK party is focusing on Identity politics, trying to drive wedges between different races. Wake up, do you want to relinquish your democracy, no free press, no freedom of speech, don't own your own house, let a political party nationalize you banks, investments so they can benefit themselves. Change our constitution and control the law. Educate yourselves, do some research you only have 3 days left.
@Oufie1972
3 ай бұрын
@@anitagomes3224 you again
@JuicyJLee
3 ай бұрын
This one is a stupid
@moegamatstuurman5621
4 ай бұрын
The lack of knowledge, on our political context and how we only Concerned about our immediate self, is so sad and our of the fold of Islam....... We have all the answers, by just quoting a few quotes from the quraan. What you love for yourself you should love for your brother / mankind. My vote is going to the EFF. We need to take a stand and get rid of these old hierarchical control hanging over our heads.
@1961rey
4 ай бұрын
If Julius clarifies his position on Indians , I'll support them , he always speaks against the Indian
@anitagomes3224
3 ай бұрын
EFF policies align with Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, Zimbabwe and look what happened in those countries. You have to look at what will change your economic situation and improve the lives of all in South Africa. Only then can you look to change the world. STOP referring to all white South Africans as racist. On the 17 March 1992, 69% of all white registered voters in the apartheid era voted for change in a referendum to put an end to apartheid. During the first 4 years we had a multi party government a party of national unity chaired by Nelson Mandela his vision to unify all South Africans. The country was well run and everyone benefitted. Since he stepped down the ruling party ANC and the EFF and now the MK party is focusing on Identity politics, trying to drive wedges between different races. Wake up, do you want to relinquish your democracy, no free press, no freedom of speech, don't own your own house, let a political party nationalize you banks, investments so they can benefit themselves. Change our constitution and control the law. Educate yourselves, do some research you only have 3 days left.
@user-rc8up6du3o
3 ай бұрын
How can you guide if even you are devided. Divide and rule, the DA policy
@adamjainodien
4 ай бұрын
What a sobre perspective and great guidance by our dynamic young Ulemah The EFF cannot be a answer to our challenges when they are funded by illicit cigarette smuggling and how their leadership are living a luxury life whilst the masses suffers
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
thats why i laughed when malema and eff fought so hard for muslims....i dont know what he was thinking,......muslims should just fight their own wars...because they are selfish and cannot fight for anybody else except their own...i dont know when blacks are gonna learn that
@NJay2000
4 ай бұрын
“Collectively, accounting officers and authorities managed an estimated expenditure budget of R3. 10 trillion in 2022-23. “The irregular expenditure disclosed in 2022-23 totaled R63. 37 billion….
@shamactc5852
3 ай бұрын
😊
@shahiedaismail6962
4 ай бұрын
Aslmkwrbr working as a public servant, good and well, but get a Position in Government to fill such a Position is Bleak, Vacancies are usually filled by unqualified to avoid giving the Qualified an Opportunity to Proof themselves positively in a position the studied for....Where must a newconer get experience if he or she is not given an opportunity...That's always their Criteria, "Experience Needed"😊
@jonathanmyburgh1818
4 ай бұрын
All guest speakers made valid statements in accordance with their religious beliefs. Certain parties took a stance regarding Palestine which is against your religious writings and scripture. You cannot compare Ukraine/Russia conflict with the Israel /Palestinian issue. These international incidents have such profound consequences for our citizens in South Africa specifically especially the poor. Since you are advocating pro poor policies and beliefs. The SA government took this stance to take Israel to the ICJ for genocide purely for political purposes with the view on the upcoming elections not because it was morally mortified with the incident. The ANC has no morals and do not respect any religious values. The speakers mentioned about the ANC having great policies in place and that the citizens of SA are still enjoying the democracy since 1994 which they did not have prior. Policies on paper is all good but if not implemented they are worthless and won't bear any fruit. The speakers also mentioned that the ANC have been doing the right things in the past few months but why only now, what about the previous 30 years. Why did they not do the right thing throughout. What I do agree with is that no party should have a majority vote which can pass any law or bill in parliament without any real opposition against it. There should be a more balanced structure of parties representing the people's mandate and not one political parties mandate. Dilution of powers would be ideal whether Provincial or National.
@mymoenam5615
4 ай бұрын
You are right - there is no comparison between the Russia/Ulraine issue and Israel/Palestine issue..the latter being carrying on for decades..as for it being a religious issue: really? Genocide is genocide, and as Muslims it doesn't matter what the faith is, we stand with the oppressed. And as for the ANC stance: Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu supported Palestinian freedom . Peace to You. Just bear in mind: the Oppressors of today can come for you or I tomorrow.
@manoviejacobs8608
4 ай бұрын
ASLM TO THE PANEL.Shukran for the effort.CAn you please be so kind reply on the comments.we don't exspect you guys reply on all. Shukran for your time Wlsm.
@mrvan3491
4 ай бұрын
Brothers there is also a third Muslim political party, AM4C and it's leader Ahmed Munzoor Shaik Imam is a very good option, He has a good track record and he's been in parliament for 10 years.
@gairoonishaboolay4331
4 ай бұрын
Vote Anc , al Jamaah , or Eff
@ntokozolugogo4762
4 ай бұрын
ANC has been in power since 1994, give the EFF a chance
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
@@ntokozolugogo4762 muslims will NEVER vote eff...they are going to vote mostly for al jamah....watch the space...they are only using the blacks to help them fight for the arabs in palestine...i dont know when blacks are going to wake up....
@JuicyJLee
3 ай бұрын
Neither ANC nor EFF
@iqbalmohamed5128
4 ай бұрын
Too late. I hope I'm wrong and you brothers had programmes in place to encourage SA Muslims to register to vote. I've turned blue in the face, explaining to everybody I've met why they should register to vote. I hope this does not come back to bite us. The South African arm of the BJP/RSS alliance, was very busy and productive organising voter registration drives. They had workshops and arranged transport for their community to get to the registration points. Some of them used their business premises for these purposes. Whilst we only rely on Allah while not "tying our camel". I really hope and pray that this does not come back to bite us. This is the most important vote that we as Muslims had to cast since Democracy. May Allah help us if our hypocrisy and apathy causes us to lose the freedom we enjoy in this country to practise our Deen. A freedom that you don't even find in Muslim countries.
@1ma4ighter
4 ай бұрын
I haven't voted and I've been registered since '09 or 2010 due to my father's influence so I'm glad moulana Karan rahimahullah said mubaah. unfortunately now of course since I'm not voting it implies a vote to the default, but this I'm fine with I've thought about it quite some and the idea of democracy is not an Islamic construct and this is my reason for abstaining so... I'd vote if we had a proper hierarchy of leaders for South African Muslims and they all decided, for reasons provided, that we'd all vote for a particular party for a particular reason. I'll always stand with my Muslim brothers and sisters inshallah and I think we actually have to follow our Muslim leaders
@louiseroderick9910
4 ай бұрын
As a matter of interest - where are the views of Muslim women? I don't sit on either side of the Palestinian issue because I think that both sides have things to answer for, but would you not consider that the ANC are using the issue as a political tool rather than a genuine concern for the genocide? And who is actually funding them? You talk about who is funding the MPC but who is funding the cash strapped ANC? An extremely complex issue for sure. Why not vote with your head rather than a religious perspective?
@Oufie1972
3 ай бұрын
"...both sides have things to answer for..." I'm dumbfounded by this statement. As if the oppressed must pay for fighting the oppressor. Wipe the crust from the corner of your eyes as this is not a religious issue. It's about injustice, oppression and an apartheid regime....of which the DA fully support!
@MotlokwaThwii
4 ай бұрын
Vote EFF and stop confusing yourselves. All the best brothers.
@adamjainodien
4 ай бұрын
There is no confusion about EFF being funded by illicit cigarette smuggler and how has the leadership benefit by being part of corruption I find it a challenge to agree on their ill discipline from leader to most of their followers and rule by fear and aggression Their aims to alleviate poverty is relevant and hope they stay true to achieving that Voting for this party is not a easy choice I commend the panel to give us sobre advice and the EFF can take guidance from these young Ulemah and leaders in our community
@MotlokwaThwii
4 ай бұрын
@@adamjainodien Mazzotti paid for the registration of EFF when Noone else believed in them. The money was paid directly to IEC for that matter. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like that 1 payment is still ongoing funding. It's wrong. And if he's a smuggler, why is he not arrested? Surely now the officials know about his illegal ways? And what ill descipline are you referring to in particular?? EFF brought the SA parliament and politics to life, literally! You are too used to being led by sleepiness who are comfortable with the status quo. What ill descipline from members are you referring to? You need to fast from the propaganda you've been consuming. Again, listen to your conscious and Vote EFF. It's the only party that can get us out of the mess we're in
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
@@adamjainodien But You werent saying that when malema was busy fighting for palestine...yah neh....
@sulaymanpeters
3 ай бұрын
.N.C.C. for change....big parties gives big problem....go small..which of the two bigger parties is the lessor of two evil......one flies under the radar and the other is open...
@abdullahsamuels1067
4 ай бұрын
Free Free Palestine 🇵🇸 where our first qiblah came from, where many prophets spread the message of believing in the oneness of Allah, the one who has no partner ☝we must remember that one day we will be questioned for our affairs of this world, so we must make the right decision for who we vote for, may Allah guide us and strengthen our righteous leaders to uphold our beliefs inshaa Allah 🤲
@mrm7505
4 ай бұрын
The choice is between those that have western hedgemony support and those that are inclined to a multi polar global environment. Muslims should be led by ulema who actively advance the interests of the ummah unapologetically in the political sphere and could easily end up being the proverbial king makers.
@AriseProtectDefend
4 ай бұрын
Ameen 🤲
@gairoonishaboolay4331
4 ай бұрын
I think we should only have one Muslim party for Now. We need a seat in Parliament
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
i have always said that black south africa should focus on blacks...muslims , indians or arabs should fight for their palestine and whites should stick to their Orania business....Black people should stop trying to help people who are discriminatory in nature and in their religion...The Anc government is mostly christian and African, so they should learn to focus only on that...and not on muslims
@Thorne666l
4 ай бұрын
How can we fight abroad if our house is not in order? We all pray for peace and its hurtfull what is happening in the Middle east,,but think of who is really stands for us DA faild for 15yyrs in the western cape and anc for 30 yrs They both bad news
@nabewiyaevans926
4 ай бұрын
Im not sure when this video was posted but people that are not registered can they still vote.
@Alexander-fw7st
4 ай бұрын
Sorry but no you cannot
@NJay2000
4 ай бұрын
The greatest harm are the people who have been impacted by the current government. The poor are worse off due to greed, now they want us to support this NHI bill which we know will not put this country in a better position. Research has proven this. Also the economy dragged down by poor education outcomes, prohibitive legislative compliance costs, and a worsened energy crisis, the poor will get poorer with many from the middle class joining them. We need to think about the how the ANC has leveraged off these support tactics as marketing strategies to get people to vote. I’m sorry but they’re not taking a stand for people in their own country who are seriously suffering.
@WahibaDaniels-qz2jm
4 ай бұрын
Please come back to the point. We are not white nor black. We have been bullied in South Africa. We need to stand together. ANC corrupt please.
@user-ni2db7vf3q
4 ай бұрын
Vote the eff why dnt you see the good the good is hard to ses
@anitagomes3224
3 ай бұрын
EFF policies align with Cuba, Venezuela, Columbia, Zimbabwe and look what happened in those countries. You have to look at what will change your economic situation and improve the lives of all in South Africa. Only then can you look to change the world. STOP referring to all white South Africans as racist. On the 17 March 1992, 69% of all white registered voters in the apartheid era voted for change in a referendum to put an end to apartheid. During the first 4 years we had a multi party government a party of national unity chaired by Nelson Mandela his vision to unify all South Africans. The country was well run and everyone benefitted. Since he stepped down the ruling party ANC and the EFF and now the MK party is focusing on Identity politics, trying to drive wedges between different races. Wake up, do you want to relinquish your democracy, no free press, no freedom of speech, don't own your own house, let a political party nationalize you banks, investments so they can benefit themselves. Change our constitution and control the law. Educate yourselves, do some research you only have 3 days left.
@Oufie1972
3 ай бұрын
@@anitagomes3224 I see it's copy and paste with you. Can you perhaps put in a little effort to be original and write your own words for goodness sake. You go around people's comments pasting the same nonsense everywhere. 🙄
@LollyClarke
3 ай бұрын
You guys must not cry with a cANCer government in the Western Cape, it's going to be a big joke
@wanderer2800
4 ай бұрын
Shukran for hosting this discussion. Sadly public Education received no attention. The BELA bill, compulsory sex education, text books with pornographic material for kids around 13 yrs old and maybe even younger. Those people saying that ANC is an option for Muslims may not know that ANC will cause closure of traditional Muslim schools for ALL minors to be exposed to what Qur'an has made haraam. Single sex toilets... Easy opportunities for sexual harassment and rape. HOW CAN ANY MUSLIM CONSIDER ANC AN OPTION? I have be HOD of Biology at a High school when ANC started with this haraam in schools and I prohibited the teaching of those pornographic issues. They even supplied all schools with condoms but there wasn't money other essentials, reduced number of teachers ro learners etx. I am amazed that some of your guests deem ANC an option.
@saberi
4 ай бұрын
Please understand there are no clear winners. It's the Parties that reduce the most harm. Inshallah parents have a role to play when it comes to engaging schools and teaching their children about Islamic values.
@wanderer2800
4 ай бұрын
@@saberi The moral fabric of society is being targeted. Parents don't have a say whether their child can be taught those harmful things. Irrespective of the amount of Islamic teaching, exposing any child to such materials can be traumatic. Imagine your child in Gr 6, 7 or 8 having to learn how to have sex with pictures in the book. You have no say. But if you're happy with such a situation, your choice. We weren't raised like that. I suppose today's people are more enlightened, morals may not matter. Find Life Science and Life Orientation textbooks from primary and high schools. I cannot have Qur'an and those books side by side and that for young children. Never political parties, think Aagirah when it's going to be yourself with your Book of Deeds. How do we answer to protecting kids from such harm? Even some of my university students were embarrassed around these topics.
@fataghwilliams9139
4 ай бұрын
Politics is very dirty and can be equated to prostitution. Theres no real trust for a Muslim without a Khilaafah. So in a democracy vote or dont vote its the same thing. The outcome will be whatever Allah wants it to be. We should be in talks on how we can start a Khilaafah. As I remember Maulana Taha Rahimahullah mentioning something similar that we still in a resurgent stage and bi Ithnillah we will get there soon. Baarakallahu Feekum
@WahibaDaniels-qz2jm
4 ай бұрын
Potholes bins,,,,,,worry about what bills are being passed for children. They are messing SA up. We have to stand strong there are Muslim parties. We do not share same values.
@holimolibebalanced9348
4 ай бұрын
Al-jamaah has 2 seats, 1 national, 1 local plys they Muslim
@nabewiyaevans926
4 ай бұрын
Wow
@dumisanikhumalo1874
4 ай бұрын
Brothers don't came up now with your stories eff is on your side where ever CIC goes speaking about you guys.
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
EFF is stupid....I knew all along that indians/arab muslims will NEVER vote for a black party unless they stand to directly benefit....This support for the palestinians by the EFF , MUST COME TO AN END...
@mkballer3879
4 ай бұрын
Vote EFF ❤
@tracychoolan9812
4 ай бұрын
No Thanks😉
@MetacomSupport
4 ай бұрын
A Mizan party sounds like the way to go!
@LindaSibeko-j2v
4 ай бұрын
Vote Eff is a child of Anc very smart than the parents
@nabewiyaevans926
4 ай бұрын
We need muslim leaders why we voting for others
@user-zj5kj4tc8e
4 ай бұрын
We not living in a Muslim country
@NJay2000
4 ай бұрын
💯
@patrickrichards6000
4 ай бұрын
Follow koisan we have the world you now 💎💎💎
@LionGangMusic
4 ай бұрын
EFF is the only choice
@WinesYusufu
4 ай бұрын
EFF is only option
@tracychoolan9812
4 ай бұрын
Who Said?
@MotlokwaThwii
4 ай бұрын
100% agreed
@mlulekisibanda5374
4 ай бұрын
Vote eff🎉🎉
@tracychoolan9812
4 ай бұрын
No Thanks😉
@shukreeabrahams8998
4 ай бұрын
Aslkm. According to some of the panellists' remarks, for the upliftment of South Africans, the DA appears to be the most logical choice.
@cp6fr
4 ай бұрын
Wslm. They said at about 13:00 onwards that "it is practically impermissable to vote for them" ie. the DA
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
Only whites....lol...we know its about race....these muslims would rather vote for whites than blacks....welcome to SA
@mousepad9763
4 ай бұрын
It is that according to you guys whats best for South Africa is voting for people who support Palestine, no matter what their stance on South Africa is, which is very disturbing
@IsnadAcademy
4 ай бұрын
You may need to listen again. That's not what was said at all.
@toegiedaisaacs6258
4 ай бұрын
@@IsnadAcademy I agree. There was a clear step-by-step process in the discussion. Everything was put on the table. Genocide,Corruption, etc. Then of these issues, which is the heaviest first. The supporters of the mass slaughter of a people outranked them all. This is not just evident of a Muslim but internationally, across the board, there has been a line drawn which separated pro-genocide Vs anti-genocide. Then the corruption is looked at in South Africa. Cause they are not equal in any sane person's mind.
@abumuhammadcapetown7494
4 ай бұрын
POV: *When you don't watch the first 30mins+ of the discussion but comment on the discussion*
@mousepad9763
4 ай бұрын
At 13.26 the speaker clearly says it is impermissible to vote any party who does not support Palestine this already draws a clear line that the people must vote for a party that supports Palestine first and foremost whatever else that party has to do with fixing South Africa comes afterwards
@abumuhammadcapetown7494
4 ай бұрын
13:26- 'which makes it practically impermissible to vote for them cause they are supportive of a genocide'. If you listen to the first 30mins and the message you are getting from it is not "Don't vote for someone who supports a genocide" then I think you're missing the entire point. Maybe to make it more clear- don't vote for those who have no problem with killing children. Women. Men. Elders. Babies. Especially if you're Muslim, don't vote for someone killing Muslims. Don't vote for someone who has no problem with that. If you can't see a problem with that as a moral principle, I believe you need to sort out some other things in your life first.
@shafimussa6321
4 ай бұрын
All Muslims should vote eff or anc
@1961rey
4 ай бұрын
If Malema clarifies his stance on Indians , I would be happy to vote for them
@0761ZoRO
4 ай бұрын
Go ahead and vote for DA as you have always done! What's confusing you? Isn't it you hate black parties?
@1961rey
4 ай бұрын
You are so wrong, majority of us supported the ANC for all these years DA's policies are not for Muslims
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
@@1961rey its not about policies, its about color....indians/arabs only join black parties when they stand to benefit DIRECTLY....My only wish is for black leaders to wake up and stop their support for palestinians ....because they are being used by muslims....
@fin2-em2mf
4 ай бұрын
Very very true...i have long said it , its only that when you say it , people call you a racist...
@heshaamedries6656
4 ай бұрын
No practical advice No solutions hour of wasteful speech just maybe vote al jama which is a hol borsal for ANc which is a vote for pro corruption
@abdullahsonday5138
3 ай бұрын
It’s either that you lack insight, or just completely ignorant. This was possibly the most clarified podcast in terms of how to set guidelines for yourself as a Muslim in regards to politics of our country.
@heshaamedries6656
3 ай бұрын
@@abdullahsonday5138 OK keyboard Moffie tell me who must Muslims vote for? what was the practical advice you learnt
@senzomthembu261
3 ай бұрын
The biggest mistake a Muslims may do is 2 vote 4 ANC as a tank u 4 ICJ case.This was a collective effort voted by parliament members.It's EFF dt organized more than 1 mash n Malema criticized ANC n other parties 4 not taking a stand by choosing a side.He even went as far as 2 advocate 4 d embassy removal,removal of in products from d shelfs etc.
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