While I respect spartans, there was this one time I played Dawn of War, and I sent my space marine commander to fight a 10 meter tall chaos demon called a Bloodthirster. I had him call down an orbital strike on his own location, while an enemy eldar farseer chose that moment to call a gigantic eldtritch storm down on them at the same time. While three armies fought my space marine dueled a gigantic demon while they were getting shot at by space-ships and blasted with reality-tearing lightning, and he beat it to death with his warhammer. He then kept fighting, and I try to imagine a spartan doing that and I'm just nope. Just, nope.
@moonamir9708
3 күн бұрын
you are using stratege game mechanics, in halo wars spartans eat tank shell regularly which they can't do in the lore, same for space marines, we normal space marines dying to normal humans & in lore are not going to do thing to 10 meter tall demons& then named space marine who fight hundreds of other space marines & 10 meters demon & win if we go by most standard space marines feats then nope they are on the same level of spartans.
@Masonicon
4 күн бұрын
Spartan 2's AIs are use meat human brains for CPU, Astartes don't use AI(Dark age of Technology AIs uses Matrioshka brains)
@seb-fluffysnowcap9530
4 күн бұрын
This is just Climber or runner Vs weight lifter
@BioNV22
5 күн бұрын
I strongly disagree, you should learn more about spacemarines, about 3 lungs, 2 hearts and a black carapace. They are capable of lightning fast reflexes and agility, unmatched strenght and critical thinking skills. Even without the power armor, regular space marine would be stronger, faster, more agile and versatile than a spartan.
@moonamir9708
3 күн бұрын
Stronger? Nope, not by much then spartans 2 considering they have lifting +10 tons feats Faster? There are 3 to 5 feats of spartans moving at 80 mph, meanwhile the highest speed feat for astartes is lower than 60 mph. Agility?, again no spartans are more agile. Versatile?, you mean as whole or as single spartan/marine,if you mean whole marine chapters than yes, if you mean by single astartes being more Versatile than single spartan 2 then nope, Spartans 2 are basically mix of Ultramarines, Deathwatch, & Raptors in one. If we which better then Space marine take the Endurance, Stamina, Weapons, Experience While both tie in Strength, Durability, Reaction time, Accuracy & Spartans 2 has the Speed, Agility, Equipments, Adaptability.
@thedoctors666
5 күн бұрын
Wouldn't the space Marines have higher endurence, since they have teo hearts
@moonamir9708
3 күн бұрын
They have higher Endurance not strength, Both pretty much has the same strength, both has lifted +10 tons.
@thedoctors666
3 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Yeah, I know, I said endurence not strength
@ailediablo79
5 күн бұрын
3× your bodyweight is not superhuman. It is the max. Higher than 3x is superhuman. Also am pretty sure SM can do way more than 1400 pound. Especially the new taller version. I would give the old version 1T deadlift and new guy 1.5T deadlift. Anyway speed and endurance are way more important than strength. Relative strength is more important too. But the problem Spartan are short and small. If a Spartan is 2.2m or 2.5m tall and a bit more muscler would out class a SM due to explosiveness and mobility. Basically Guts from Beserk even before the eclipse is superior to both avg old version SM and a Spartan without armor and guns. Basically LuBu from history can kill either because he can kill Guts with ease especially considering he is 2.5+ m tall.
@dutch_asocialite
5 күн бұрын
Spartans are on the whole better than Space Marines, their armour doesn't weight them down as much (and it's overall better), they've got much quicker reaction times, higher movement speed and agility which is aided by their relative shorter stature and better augmentations built for strategic strikes as opposed to endurance. The only thing Space Marines hold over Spartans is their specialised weaponry and greater experience thanks to their longevity, which can be boiled down to the fact Halo's main plot line mostly takes place over the course of 30 years.
@moonamir9708
5 күн бұрын
Both has around the same reaction time being lesser than 4 milliseconds, though spartans do have better speed & Agility. Spartans are not much shorter in height in fact : Chief is 7.2 ft & Titus is 7.2 ft tall.
@dutch_asocialite
5 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Spartans have a minimum reaction time of 3 nanoseconds, that far outclasses anything Space Marines can manage. >they're the same height They're both "7 feet" but there's still a lot of variance in that bracket and on the whole Spartans skew towards the lower end while Space Marines skew towards the higher end.
@wahlberliner
5 күн бұрын
No. You speak to a khornate berzerker. Try again, whelp
@rasyian
5 күн бұрын
Fine lore reason huh Well i read somewhere 10 space marine is enough to take over entire planet good luck with that
@moonamir9708
5 күн бұрын
Medival planet, so do spartans. Modren planet like earth, Nope you need like several companies of space marine.
@aldeonuwu2634
5 күн бұрын
Warframes enter the chat...
@dragonseatcheese8727
6 күн бұрын
I want to say that even if the 40k universe is ahead NOW, they certainly won't be for long. If this is even a conversation, then it won't be when the UNSC is fielding the MJOLNIR Mark 19 and Hard Light weapons. And most certainly not when the UNSC starts to make that standard in their civilian population, which actually is something most heavy hitting factions in Halo do, particularly in ancient Halo. Because when it comes down to it, the Spartans are really still prototypes. Humanity has access to the blueprints of the group who tilted the galaxy for fun, made and destroyed stars because they could, and had regular civilians rocking armor so much more advanced than either of these that it's funny. So that supremacy won't last long.
@adamg4336
6 күн бұрын
Being able to lift or move anything x3 your bodyweight isn't superhuman and is still within the realm of human strength
@ChaseDaOrk3767
6 күн бұрын
The true question is, could Orks loot Covenant vehicles?
@sirflapfla97
6 күн бұрын
Not only that they are better trained in the art of actual warfare, instead of rushing into melee they will just shoot you. They have actual tactics beyond tanking hits and hitting back. Spartans are also faster physically and mentally.
@bigbirdflying6330
6 күн бұрын
no, they are not. lol
@Griild_cheese
7 күн бұрын
But from my knowledge, space mariens have more armour
@Hankthestank04
7 күн бұрын
In armor a spartan can lift 30x1000lbs so in armor I'd say a spartan takes the edge
@JustAFishBeingAFish
7 күн бұрын
Wait until the powerscalers fond out about ants
@nathanielcourt6269
7 күн бұрын
I feel like people don't take into account the overall cost efficiency of how each program works. Space marine require around 10 years to make their weakest/cheapest form, with most requiring decades more training/experince to reach "average" tactical space marine. While Spartans, in their most expensive form (spartan 2), take around 8 years and are already knowledgeable in all forms of warfare, weapons, tactics, and logistics. Cost efficiency gets even better for Spartans when you take into account the spartan 4 program, which in the time and cost it would take make a space marine you could easily make hundreds of spartan 4's. Space marines are also limited by geneseed, Spartans have no such restrictions. Space marines might be worth 2 to 3 Spartans, but you could easily make hundreds more Spartans for each space marine. A chapter of space marines would be fighting a REGIMENT of Spartan 4's. Though this is assuming a similar budget and time given to each group.
@snip105
8 күн бұрын
A good episode. The fact Trazyn lured the terminators into a trap to add them to his collection just shows how much he loves too and to his collection. I also think that every time they get to the relic they get reminded where they are only for that part of their memory being blocked when Trazyn resets the that back to before they enter the hulk.
@_Xerota_
8 күн бұрын
Neither of them can lift yo mama
@archduke0000
9 күн бұрын
power scaling might be the most pointless thing I've ever seen
@whiteeye3453
9 күн бұрын
And another video that proof how ignorant you are Typical arrogant soldier who only fought for two years and he thinks he is expert Space marines are more stronger than Spartans
@MarcusVance
8 күн бұрын
I absolutely love the irony in this comment.
@moonamir9708
8 күн бұрын
@@MarcusVance Ignore him, he been insulting/Dissing you for multiple shorts.
@DEGRODANTONTHEINTERNET-uf8br
10 күн бұрын
Hey there, basic laws of physics is here, by doubling the surface area of any 3d object hou quadruple it's volume, same reason an ant can lift and move something like 100x it's body weight while an elephant can only lift half it's weight, muscle mass relative to total body mass and all that, considering a space marine is larger and bulkier that a Spartan.
@Malod1997
10 күн бұрын
Meanwhile Ogryn who brought entire chimera to his Commisar.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
Actually both supersoldiers(S2 & SM)can hypothetically drug/Push 30 tons vehicles, though not at the ease of the ogryn.
@markss367
10 күн бұрын
For context the spartan out of armor figure is their strength at 14 years after augmentation Not as adults.
@FrozenHawkHunter
10 күн бұрын
Then you have their armor. It's better. Energy shields . Targeting system. There's no comparison in level of tech. Halo has better tech. Shit if you took 40k into halo I'm talking all side of both halo wins. I'd you take 40k halo and BattleTech. BattleTech kills everyone. They play tag with nukes not to mention running around with giant stompy robots.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
Actually, no the only thing spartan Armor has better than astartes Armor is energy shields & Ai.
@FrozenHawkHunter
10 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Spartans are smaller but can lift more and the don't become soulless assholes because they got bored.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
@@FrozenHawkHunter both can lift +10 tons & both can drag/push +30 tons, so actually both has the same level of strength, also spartans are not shorter but much, chief is 7.2 ft tall, captain titus is 7.2 ft tall0
@FrozenHawkHunter
10 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 wait they're the same high. Okay why do the guardsman look so short next to them? Are the guards under 6 foot? Would make sense as to what most actually get to eat.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
@@FrozenHawkHunter yes & don't forget because space marines are GIRTHY making them look taller,also halo Humans are taller, shortest male height in halo is 5.11 tall & that goes for lasky who we call him short, most unsc Marines & odst if looked at height are like 6.1 to 6.5 ft tall.
@psychobilly42069
11 күн бұрын
In the end it all that matters is halo is cooler than warhammer
@yesman866
9 күн бұрын
lol sooo wrong by far. You clearly haven’t read the Horus heresy.
@psychobilly42069
9 күн бұрын
@@yesman866 i haven't read anything lmao I just used to know a guy into Warhammer who was super annoying lmfao
@yesman866
9 күн бұрын
@@psychobilly42069 oh. Sounds legit 😂
@joshuataylor6605
11 күн бұрын
Space marines are not getting fatigued with all the extra organs
@Callsign_Bear
9 күн бұрын
I seem to recall Spartans being very slow to fatigue either. The fight would be over before either of them approached their limits, though..
@Scudboy17
4 күн бұрын
Space marines have an extra lung to provide more oxygen and use the oxygen in their life support systems more efficiently. They also have an extra kidney that helps filter out carbon dioxide out of their blood also break it down into its components- the oxygen going back into the blood stream and the carbon used to repair space marine bones if broken or held in reserve for this purpose. The black carapace that lies under their skin os where this carbon is deposited and stored. Space marines are also capable of surviving using an anaerobic metabolism too, meaning they can use less efficient resperation with carbon dioxide if needed to stay alive. Their muscles are designed to be stronger, contract faster, and create less fatigue than normal humans as well. Marines can also use far more of their base strength than humans can due to more control over the "limiters" the body puts in place to keep us from literally tearing our bodies apart with our own strength. In fact, the astartes respiratory system is so efficient that they can operate for about 6 months sealed in their armor with constant activity with little to no need for outside air or food. They can last for literally centuries of inactivity by slipping into a comatose like state. One Death Gaurd marine was lost for about 3000 years near the Eye of Terror, well 3000 to him 10,000 to everyone else, before he was rescued by a passing ship. After awakening, he was physically OK and ready to fight after about 8 hours. Space marines have been rescued after surviving in hard vacuum without their helmets after several days. They had severe frostbite on their faces, but they survived. Astartes are a hell of a lot tougher than people give them credit for. Yes, they die to the enemies in WH40k pretty regularly, but thats more of a testament to how tough those enemies are than to the toughness of the marines themselves.
@kourtneyhanley
11 күн бұрын
Spartans being relatively stronger pound for pound is expected there not worshiping space jezus but they are being made by a super secret oni team of people willing to commit war crimes hmmm dr. Halsey so thats not that crazy but it does mean halos docs might be alil more technical than the mechanicum but the space marines have ta be bigger becuase there in a gargantuan universe level fight halo couldve just kept nuking ship interiors but rather sent 300 3rd gen super soldiers to handle a job that a team of em with tac nukies could've handled oni is horrible ps jorge from reach probably could put space marine numbers out of armor
@velvetthundr
11 күн бұрын
If we're using relative body strength as an indication of "who would win"; ants and rhinoceros beetles would win.
@imaerky391
12 күн бұрын
Space marines solo and it's not even close, just how OP Astartes at their peak are is broken down really well in the Deathwatch v King Meruem video
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
How much can Average astartes lift & run? Because Spartans 2 has 2 feats of lifting +10 tons & has 3 to 5 feats of moving at 80 mph.
@tdpuuhailee8222
12 күн бұрын
The way how I see it. If Space Marine and Spartan where on the same team. Spartan would be the light unit and Space Marine the heavy unit.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
Space marine would gather the goons attention while spartan kill the goons boss.
@tdpuuhailee8222
10 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 And then they do a team takedown on the final boss.
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
@@tdpuuhailee8222 both on the same level & Make good pairs actually. Space marines take the : Endurance (How much wounds they can take & keep going) Stamina (How much they go without lose of preformence overtime) Weapons( do I need to say) Experience(S2 has 30 to 40 years of experience while space marine has 25 to 150 years of experience) While they tie at : Strength(Both Has lifted +10 tons & Likely can Push/Drag +30 tons) Durability(How much damage they can take before Armor/Shields Get pierced) Reacting time(Both has reaction time less than 4 millisecond & has dodged bullets) Accuracy (Both basically are Aimbot) & Spartans taking : Speed (3 to 5 feats running at 80 mph) Agility (More Agile Armor & Inbuilt thrusters for better dodging) Equipment(Overshields, Translocator & others) Adaptability(spartans are Mix of Ultramarine, Deathwatch, & Raptors Adaptability).
@sparkeykills1
12 күн бұрын
Dude this is like the third cope video you have made trying to compare space marines to spartans. Plz stop. Let both the franchises exist withen their own space and stop comparing things to 40k. Getting tired of people telling me how strong space marines are when they have no clue how many organs they have and can't name them or what they do.
@MarcusVance
12 күн бұрын
19 for Firstborn and 22 for Primaris. And comparing augments side by side, the Spartan 4 has the equivalent of 12 of those. The ones they don't have are things like the organ that creates geneseed (no need, obviously), spit acid (which many chapters don't have either-or at least it's atrophied), the making a cocoon organ (they do that with science, so i guess they DO have the equivalent...), and the eat meat to gain memories (rarely used by Astartes). Though it's also worth noting that the S4 have "every organ replaced or modified" beyond what is specifically mentioned. So they likely have more modifications. And did you just pause this video after 4 seconds? I say Space Marines can lift more.
@whiteeye3453
9 күн бұрын
Space marine are better than Spartans in every f way You ignorant
@whiteeye3453
9 күн бұрын
And Spartans do not have 12 equilivment of those Stop lying
@MarcusVance
8 күн бұрын
@@whiteeye3453 I have a video directly comparing every single augment they have...
@MarcusVance
8 күн бұрын
@@whiteeye3453not in relative strength. That's just basic math.
@Big6C
12 күн бұрын
I don’t know that much about Warhammer. I do know that mjolnir mark VII is incredibly advanced and could for instance protect someone out in space adrift for 6 months. (but Spartans have different generations. The different generations Some generations are more powerful than others ie. spartan II’s are the most powerful, with III’s and especially IIV’s being much weaker.)
@mekboy7403
12 күн бұрын
I've always said that Spartans and Space Marines are very close in physical feats but Spartans are quickly getting ahead with the advancements of each new generation of Mjolnir. Astartes still have much better weapons though.
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
The copium pipe is hitting HARD
@johnhiggins1746
12 күн бұрын
Spartans can't call down thors lighning they can spit acid can't regenerate entire limbs so this is bullshit heritic
@moonamir9708
12 күн бұрын
So can't Average Space marine do those 3.
@awesomenessnetwork213
12 күн бұрын
They can't call down thor's lightning, but some have a gun that can.
@rasyian
5 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708that average space marine, what are you talking about
@moonamir9708
5 күн бұрын
@@rasyian average space marine can't regenerate limb, if they do then why would they get metal arms when they lose one. Average space marine can't call down lightning, only Liberians can & they are less than 1% of space marine in chapter. Average Space marine can't spit acid since we know not all space marines can't spit acid.
@rasyian
5 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Belisarian Furnace (The Revitaliser) - This is a dormant organ that connects to both Astartes hearts. In times of extreme stress, or should the warrior's body undergo violent, damaging trauma, it expels great blurts of self-synthesised chemicals a hyper-cocktail that simulates the biological action of combat stimms while also aiding in the rapid regrowth of tissue, bone and muscle Their power weapon can pretty much summon energy similar to lightning Betcher's Gland - The Betcher's Gland, also known as the Poison Bite, is the 17th gene-seed organ. Consisting of two glands that are implanted into multiple locations inside a Space Marine's mouth, including the inside of the lower lip, in the salivary glands or in the hard palette, these two glands working in tandem transform an Astartes' saliva into a corrosive, blinding acid when consciously triggered. This allows a Space Marine to spit a wad of corrosive acid with the effect of blinding, wounding or even killing an enemy outright. There is average space marine not even the named or special one
@calvinfleetwood1645
12 күн бұрын
Space marine weaponry is by far better. Their armor is old mining gear nothing more lol
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
Old mining gear? Cope harder
@calvinfleetwood1645
12 күн бұрын
@trolltalwar yes the space marine armor in 40k is originally mining gear from the dark age of twchnology.
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
@@calvinfleetwood1645 thats false.
@calvinfleetwood1645
12 күн бұрын
@trolltalwar no it isn't, the armor they use in the current lore isn't but 30k lore that shit was derived from mining suits.
@calvinfleetwood1645
12 күн бұрын
@trolltalwar just researched and it's been reconned lol
@StinkoBrown
12 күн бұрын
An ant is stronger than a man?
@austinhaltiner1489
12 күн бұрын
I really want to hear about Tau battlesuits. Mecha are always cool.
@austinhaltiner1489
12 күн бұрын
I guess that's the difference between high tech super soldiers and a group of hyper advanced weapons made by a magic super fascist.
@clintwood7517
12 күн бұрын
I don't know if we can call that an accurate scaling cuz that test was done when they were 14 and halsey's expectation as they get older they get stronger 💪
@bencarter8133
12 күн бұрын
I personally think that 40k shouldn't have numbers on dumb things like how big each chapter is
@dankdaze42069
12 күн бұрын
Spartans are better in most aspects and logistically and a smaller targets that can move really fast...
@Ultra_Sauce
13 күн бұрын
In the books Spartan-II reaction times are described pretty similarly to that of custodians not to mention being able to flip a tank (custodes can just kick one over)
@alecmoon8895
13 күн бұрын
Your talking normal space marines or primaris space marines? Because the 2 are indifferent ball parks just want this for clarity. Because if it’s normal space marine I agree, primaris marines no spartan could ever handle them
@SeanCrosser
13 күн бұрын
Remember that Astartes don't have to be The Strongest, The Fastest, and The Toughest. They just have to be strong, fast, and tough. And they're plenty all of that. I'd like to see a good stat block for Spartans in 40k, though. One that makes sense on tabletop, not too beholden on canon, just like how a Custodes can and will get ganked by Astartes on tabletop, despite them having a a very clear lead in canon.
@RowbotMaster
12 күн бұрын
If a character honestly probably something like an eversor assassin. Invul save to rep the shield kind of thing
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
The table top game needs to be fair and many of the factions in 40k cant have their true power implemented without it breaking the balance of the game
@AlextheRed1917
13 күн бұрын
I maintain that overall a Spartan is roughly equivalent to a space marine with both in armor,and are comparable out of armor.
@SeanCrosser
13 күн бұрын
Man, MJOLNIR armor is leagues ahead of Astartes power armor. There's no way that they're equivalent. They're probably comparable to Custodes than they are to Astartes.
@AlextheRed1917
13 күн бұрын
@@SeanCrosser I agree that Mjolnir is way better than astartes armor, I don't agree that it's THAT much better. Once you put a Spartan up against some of the more powerful space Marines, like named space Marines, I think the advantage Mjolnir gives starts to close. Custodians are on another level and I wouldn't compare them to a Spartan, they'd be more comparable to a brute in strength with the skill of an Elite Zealot.
@CopeSeethorntin
12 күн бұрын
@@SeanCrosser"Suffer not those who cope to live" Keep telling yourself that .
@CopeSeethorntin
12 күн бұрын
From my understanding, Spartans were designed for pinpoint strikes. Requiring them to have strength for a smaller amount of time. While Space Marines are designed not only for strength, but for sheer endurance. Their ability to not only perform acts of superhuman strength, but do it again and again. If you read some WH40K books, it says that many Space Marines went for months without sleep. Constantly fighting. Especially in Echoes of Eternity. I wonder how well they'd work together. I just really love Space Marines. Spartans are cool in my mind, but Space Marines take the cake. Especially when it comes to them slugging it out for months! So in short it just comes down to who lasts the longest and whos the most likely to come back after being delt the most amount damage and though I love Spartans Marines would take the cake. Shoot a Spartan through the chest and assuming the bullet goes through there steel seefed ribs they are done, there not gonna come back from that. However shoot a marine through the chest assuming the shot goes through there ceramic welded plasteel ribs, there not going down as the got to extra heart and 3 back up lungs and even than there regenerative healing factor is so good it borders on woverin levels of healing just without the regrowing limbs part. Yes they are equal in some respects and I do believe they could hold against each other for a time before one of them gets to exhausted. But when it comes down to whos more likely to stay alive the longest and who dishes out the most amount of damge the hardest marine's take the cake.
@AlextheRed1917
12 күн бұрын
@@CopeSeethorntin Fair points but I have a critique. I would say that they both have a FUNCTIONALLY equivalent durability. Their durability is asymmetrical though, a Spartan has an energy shield which canonically is far stronger than the games imply. (Withstanding 50mm autocannons, sustained fire from multiple assault rifles, and indirect hits from anti tank missiles) The space marine's durability is physiological, owed primarily to their augmentations. If a Spartan's weapon (especially higher tier ones) penetrates a Space Marines defenses it will almost definitely kill the space marine. The assault rifle fires semi armor piercing high explosive rounds, the DMR fires similarly powerful rounds, and they have access to railguns and Spartan Lasers. If any of these is reaching and damaging the internal organs of a space marine then that is a dead space marine, second heart or not. If a Boltor round manages to penetrate the shield of a Spartan the Spartan is most likely dead if it hits their chest or head. IF it penetrates the shield. Spartan (and Covenant) energy shields are designed to stop kinetic weapons specifically, and struggle against energy weapons (like plasma). All of this is to say that which is likely to win depends heavily on their respective load outs, as each has access to weapons that are easily capable of countering the other's strengths/capitalize on their weaknesses.
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
Pretty much both can lift above 10 tons.
@Obamanomicon925
13 күн бұрын
From my understanding, Spartans were designed for pinpoint strikes. Requiring them to have strength for a smaller amount of time. While Space Marines are designed not only for strength, but for sheer endurance. Their ability to not only perform acts of superhuman strength, but do it again and again. If you read some WH40K books, it says that many Space Marines went for months without sleep. Constantly fighting. Especially in Echoes of Eternity. I wonder how well they'd work together. I just really love Space Marines. Spartans are cool in my mind, but Space Marines take the cake. Especially when it comes to them slugging it out for months! I'd love to see then fight, I think the Spartan would get some good licks in and may be able to even kill a normal Space Marine if luck is on his side. However, if it was against a named Space Marine? Good night Spartan
@EnclaveMajorJohn
13 күн бұрын
Or worse a blue boy primaris
@RowbotMaster
12 күн бұрын
Why do I get the impression that if the argument were that spartans have better aim than marines you'd cite them being a scalpel or something? Spartans have pretty crazy endurance too, I don't know any precise examples but I'm sure there are feats of them fighting alone for at least days possibly weeks but probably not months. Not because they couldn't but because it hasn't been necessary for any halo story
@dragonseatcheese8727
6 күн бұрын
I agree with the named Space Marine part in general, just because it's usually with those that the writers just give up and stop trying.
@eyywannn8601
13 күн бұрын
Have we gotten Crysis content here on this channel?
@markss367
10 күн бұрын
No
@BurntOutFiend
13 күн бұрын
The human pistol from Halo will one shot anything (except only hunters), fight me
@Xerkxes
13 күн бұрын
I mean.. In Halo: CE it one shot hunters too.
@BurntOutFiend
13 күн бұрын
@@Xerkxes nah in the first halo it's 2, played it like 3 months ago
@awesomenessnetwork213
12 күн бұрын
@@BurntOutFiend I think that just means your first shot missed.
@christiankneupper7011
13 күн бұрын
yeah but who has the most the most plot armor?
@Tydye254
13 күн бұрын
Spartans beat space marines uwu
@Makorze
13 күн бұрын
Nope. Astartes are stronger both in armour and out of Power Armour. This is no diss to the Spartans but dont forget when they were created thier original targets were basically to subdue effectively angry peasants. The Emperor designed the Astartes to murder Orks which is why thier so over the top in augmentation. (If the Doctor had known in advance about the Covenant/Flood in advance. I'm sure she would have engineered the Spartans to stronger than they are in the current lore.)
@moonamir9708
12 күн бұрын
@@MakorzeActually considering latest Strength feats(2 feats of lifting +10 tons & Punch charging 2.4 tons Banshee to reverse flying) I would Argue they are as strong as Average Astartes in & out of Armor, it just Astartes can take more Wounds & keep going.
@indifferenthomosapien7673
13 күн бұрын
I wonder how strong Grineer from Warframe are, they wear heavy steel armor all day everyday so theyre pretty strong. They can use normally turret mounted heavy weapons by themselves without a gravi-mag. Kahl also flips over a Darygn which is a 5 meter tall armoured vehicle that should be in the weight range of multiple tons. A steel meridian railjack crew mate also talks about punching hard enough to dent a bulk head.
@calebbarnhouse496
10 күн бұрын
They are pretty ridiculous, even ignoring those feats, basic grineer soldiers can body check warframes, and warframes are ridiculously powerful, capable of jumping up stupid high and using a melee weapon to cut through small space craft, while having the strength required to do things like stomp hard enough to slow down time
@Regalya
4 күн бұрын
They are augmented their cloning process is broken so they are not that strong as they coloned but they go through body augmentation to compensate that they get strong enough to move up to 2 ton(2000 kilos or4400 pounds) worth weight.
@calebbarnhouse496
4 күн бұрын
@@Regalya they do suffer from birth defects, but that's largely cosmetic as far as can be seen, even low teir troops are physically stronger then corpus troops of higher teirs, where the greenier cloning struggles is intelligence, looks, and likely a decent chance of failure
@Mr.Joe_Daddy
13 күн бұрын
This is a figure from when they were 14. Chief has a feat of him holding and moving the weight of a 160 ton boulder with help from another spartan. Just putting that out there.
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
No that is in gen 3 & Also the weight of the boulder is between 10 to 30 tons.
@Xerkxes
13 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 There is no official weight for the boulder. 160 tons likely is WAY off, but technically feasible based on the vague description given from the passage. Don't get me wrong, I doubt it is and that you're values are likely closer to correct, but without hard evidence people will still probably gravitate to the 160 value.
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
@@Xerkxes some other people calculated the weight to be around 15 to 20 tons actually, & it goes well with another 10 tons feat (chief lifting +10 ton door in halo infinite) it just saying spartan lifting 100+ tons is basically saying an Astartes can lift an entire building.
@markss367
10 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 the boulder was described as the dimensions of a warhog and it was granite. So about 160 metric tons
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
@@markss367 160 tons is the heaviest Calculation, Lightest is 5 tons, Most Reasonable are 15 to 25 tons.
@danielfulbright8685
13 күн бұрын
I personally know people who can put up 3.5x their bodyweight, impressive as hell but far from "superhuman"
@denverleboeuf1541
13 күн бұрын
The sad thing for halo fans is that we also dont know the full strength of the Spartans, all our numbers come from when they were sixteen. So normally people are comparing sixteen year old Spartan 2's to space marines and they hold up pretty well. But it's said the Spartans would get stronger once they got older, but we never got updated numbers.
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
When they are 14 not 16. We have 2 feats of them lifting above 10 tons in gen 3 Armor which Halo infinite lifting +10 tons door Halo Shadows of reach lifting +10 tons Rock.
@markss367
10 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Its over 100 tons in shadows of reach
@moonamir9708
10 күн бұрын
@@markss367 it's not,it just one of the calculations of the many calculations, Heaviest one being 160 tons, Lightest one being 5 tons, Most reasonable around 15 to 25 tons.
@calebbarnhouse496
10 күн бұрын
Tbh with how 40k fans treat space marines you could have a random no name grunt or marine kick a capital ship into orbit and the 40k fan will argue that the space marine is still stronger
@denverleboeuf1541
9 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 14, you right. But I didn't mean updated feats that the community has to figure out. I mean UNSC testing of what the Spartans can actually do now that there like what, 30, 40?
@hawkmoon5290
13 күн бұрын
Frankly a drop pod full of spartans are going to be just as scary as space marines. Just give the space marines some room they have a attitude.
@garbageguy2599
13 күн бұрын
I wonder how a Dalek from doctor who would size up compared to other sci-fi soldiers.
@RorikH
13 күн бұрын
I don't even know how well a Dalek from Doctor Who scales against a Dalek from a different episode of Doctor Who.
@jamesmclemore9123
2 күн бұрын
Even just as pure military hardware Daleks aren't that impressive. Their two biggest advantages are decently resilient energy shields and their death ray. But we see way too many on screen dalek casualties to take the shields very seriously and the lazer is only useful if the dalek can aim it, which is made difficult by the gun's limited traverse, the single eye stalk making depth perception impossible, and the dalek's relatively low ground speed and maneuverability (at one point their greatest weakness was stairs). Couple this with the fact that every dalek is basically insane and has a very limited capacity for creative problem solving makes the daleks pretty poor soldiers that are entirely dependent on a few key technological advantages that they have to leverage to their full potential to make up for their many weaknesses.
@prestigious7234
13 күн бұрын
Dude, that's like saying an ant is stronger than a space marine. Which it is in this case.
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
Vance is the biggest cope artist on all of youtube. Its amazing how hes dedicated most of his channel to saying is better than a space marine! Its beyond obvious he has some kind of an agenda
@SoulSoundMuisc
13 күн бұрын
Spartan in Armor: "I'm stronger than you when you're outside of your ar-hrr-kknn-ggll" *pop* Space Marine in Armor: casually wipes the brain matter off his one hand, "Suffer not the Cope."
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
Actually no, we have two feats of lifting more than 10 tons in gen 3 & Gen 3 has taken 3 impacts from Shock/Gravity mule, So Space Marine won't be able to pop the head of Spartan.
@SeanCrosser
13 күн бұрын
A Spartan has been documented surviving orbital insertion. The Primarch Vulkan was burned to such a crisp that the Ultramarines thought it was some broken statue, and only survived because he was virtually unkillable
@whiteeye3453
9 күн бұрын
Spartan do no survival orbital strike
@dragonseatcheese8727
6 күн бұрын
@@whiteeye3453 No, but neither would an Astartes if he got hit by Halo's orbital strikes. A full power MAC round from a Frigate would easily flatten a whole city (600 metric tons, 1% the speed of light, it's over a gigaton of energy in a single point less than a meter across), and a Covenant energy projector can easily vaporize 300 metric tons of titanium, and have been used to boil oceans off and "dig" out kilometers of rock by literally melting it. Even the weaker weapons like the UNSC's point defense guns would kill almost any Astartes with ease. Space Marine armor can take shots from a Bolter, which is 75 caliber if memory serves. The smallest guns on the UNSC Frigates are 25mm rapid firing AI targeted weapons (totaling 8 on the Charon class, I believe). Even just with the caliber, and not considering that these can be used to destroy shielded ships, the Space Marines would die from that too. All that is to say, please stop acting like Space Marines can actually take shit like that. Because they can't.
@whiteeye3453
6 күн бұрын
@@dragonseatcheese8727 the part about oribat strike while accurate is nothing new to 40k But it isn't about oribat strike nor veciles nor space combat but Unsc guns
@MeteoLDragomaster
13 күн бұрын
Is that a Gundam Bael next to the grandady Gundam in the background?
@angellara7040
13 күн бұрын
Yes. He made 1 gundam video and has refused to make anymore. He instead has milked this topic for like a year now
@SeanCrosser
13 күн бұрын
@@angellara7040 I like them too, but what's there for Marcus to talk about with Gundam? They're 18m tall, most often single pilot, nuclear or equivalent powered, almost invariably includes some sort of gravitic effect to offset their weight and allow high mobility. Otherwise it's all minutiae: their most important parts are their aesthetics, because they're not made to be power-scaled like tabletop and videogame stuff is.
@angellara7040
13 күн бұрын
@@SeanCrosser weapons. Like he always does
@angellara7040
13 күн бұрын
@@SeanCrosser and what's there for him to do now? He's essentially made this same exact video like twice
@natewardrip548
13 күн бұрын
Nope. Im going to hit that 600lb bench press
@hudibaba
13 күн бұрын
at this point, every other fictional soldier (even civilians, in case of cyberpunk) are stronger than the ones in 40K XD
@SeanCrosser
13 күн бұрын
Yeah, they're not meant to be the strongest that humanity can offer, they're meant to be a unit that balances the cost-strength ratio well.
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
Yes and thats exactly how vance has set it up. He obviously has some kind of bone to pick with astartes. I think his tau army got absolutely owned by a marine player too many times so he made this youtube channel to be like "well ackchewally theyre the weakest heh🤓"
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
@@SeanCrossercope
@mekboy7403
12 күн бұрын
@@trolltalwar Cope what? If you knew the lore you would know that the Astartes are NOT the strongest humanity has to offer. They were designed to be good enough for the Emperors needs while being cost effective enough to produce in relatively large numbers. When the Emperor wanted the strongest he sent for the Custodes.
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
@@mekboy7403 im not saying the astartes are the strongest in 40k. Im saying the astartes are stronger than every other sci fi settings super soldiers haha
@aoooso6000
13 күн бұрын
i think people idea of strength is really really surface level, like oh sure you have millions and millions of soldiers to send to a planet but does that number really matter wen you cant send them in a quick succession and each platoon of soldier you sned get wiped out by the press of a button.
@V3RTIGO222
13 күн бұрын
Spartans with higher strength to weight ratio than Space Marines seriously shows how crazy Halo is sometimes.
@CopeSeethorntin
12 күн бұрын
From my understanding, Spartans were designed for pinpoint strikes. Requiring them to have strength for a smaller amount of time. While Space Marines are designed not only for strength, but for sheer endurance. Their ability to not only perform acts of superhuman strength, but do it again and again. If you read some WH40K books, it says that many Space Marines went for months without sleep. Constantly fighting. Especially in Echoes of Eternity. I wonder how well they'd work together. I just really love Space Marines. Spartans are cool in my mind, but Space Marines take the cake. Especially when it comes to them slugging it out for months! So in short it just comes down to who lasts the longest and whos the most likely to come back after being delt the most amount damage and though I love Spartans Marines would take the cake. Shoot a Spartan through the chest and assuming the bullet goes through there steel seefed ribs they are done, there not gonna come back from that. However shoot a marine through the chest assuming the shot goes through there ceramic welded plasteel ribs, there not going down as the got to extra heart and 3 back up lungs and even than there regenerative healing factor is so good it borders on woverin levels of healing just without the regrowing limbs part. Yes they are equal in some respects and I do believe they could hold against each other for a time before one of them gets to exhausted. But when it comes down to whos more likely to stay alive the longest and who dishes out the most amount of damge the hardest marine's take the cake.
@Neoth40k
10 күн бұрын
It's kind of scary to imagine a Spartan fighting without the Halo soundtrack and from a normal human's perspective, even worse from a Grunt's perspective, I think it's more terrifying than seeing an Astartes fighting, since it's kind of obvious that that giant is going to be a monster in battle, but it's a surprise to see those superheroes playing the role of demons on the Battlefield
@jakobpresley294
13 күн бұрын
That 3 times their weight thing is when they are young (about 14) when they are older they can lift more than that
@underdoggizmo9844
13 күн бұрын
And it increases more if they are primaris marines people forget for some reason that they exist
@spookypepper6900
13 күн бұрын
Not only was it when they were 14, it was mere hours after they had the surgeries and augmentations. Imagine having the most painful, invasive, intense, and traumatizing surgery of your life, then having the Space CIA tell you to get on the bench press.
@Xerkxes
13 күн бұрын
He knows. But he goes by hard numbers. Bungie/343 haven't dolled out another hard metric to use.
@dutch_asocialite
5 күн бұрын
@@underdoggizmo9844 You do understand he's talking about Spartans here, right?
@PJDAltamirus0425
13 күн бұрын
So basically they would have higher endurance whether 40K would higher Ooomph. Shock impluse versus sustained offense. Makes sense, from what I’ve read, space Marines are a shock unit, half of thier use is through terror, Spartans are brutally trained brutally augmented soldiers. It is like comparing a maul to a longsword
@mxspokes
13 күн бұрын
Space Marines are basically either used in situations when Exterminatus would result in significant strategic losses (not human life but rather materiel) and throwing more troops armed with T-shirts and flashlights wouldn't make a significant difference *or* against heavy units that require a specialist group with tactical superiority.
@KriegeroftheLake
13 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t say that, Space Marines, through their augmentations, pretty much never tire. Also, not all space marines are shock troops, each legion does for the most part completely different jobs, use a lot of different weapons, and have different styles of combat. That’s not even taking into account the differences between chapters after the codex astartes was implemented, but that’s getting too deep for this conversation.
@CopeSeethorntin
12 күн бұрын
From my understanding, Spartans were designed for pinpoint strikes. Requiring them to have strength for a smaller amount of time. While Space Marines are designed not only for strength, but for sheer endurance. Their ability to not only perform acts of superhuman strength, but do it again and again. If you read some WH40K books, it says that many Space Marines went for months without sleep. Constantly fighting. Especially in Echoes of Eternity. I wonder how well they'd work together. I just really love Space Marines. Spartans are cool in my mind, but Space Marines take the cake. Especially when it comes to them slugging it out for months! So in short it just comes down to who lasts the longest and whos the most likely to come back after being delt the most amount damage and though I love Spartans Marines would take the cake. Shoot a Spartan through the chest and assuming the bullet goes through there steel seefed ribs they are done, there not gonna come back from that. However shoot a marine through the chest assuming the shot goes through there ceramic welded plasteel ribs, there not going down as the got to extra heart and 3 back up lungs and even than there regenerative healing factor is so good it borders on woverin levels of healing just without the regrowing limbs part. Yes they are equal in some respects and I do believe they could hold against each other for a time before one of them gets to exhausted. But when it comes down to whos more likely to stay alive the longest and who dishes out the most amount of damge the hardest marine's take the cake. S
@user-kt4to5xs9l
11 күн бұрын
@@KriegeroftheLakedon’t space marines also use copious amounts of combat drugs? And their armor would assist in cutting the strain their bodies were under wouldn’t it
@KriegeroftheLake
11 күн бұрын
@@user-kt4to5xs9l Depends on the legion/chapter, but most aren’t using drugs before a battle in the traditional sense. Yeah, drugs were used in the process that turned them into hulking behemoths of men, but, with the exception of some groups, they aren’t USING drugs. And yeah, the power armor does make them even stronger than they already would’ve been
@houselightkell
13 күн бұрын
I'm gonna get bloody linched for this but: Spartans would win. They're surprisingly agile, seen in the intro scene of Halo5
@Makorze
13 күн бұрын
So are Space Marines if you watch the Pariah Nexus animation. The Salmander moves so fast that to human eyes he almost looks like he is teleporting and he is alot bigger than a Spartan.
@RowbotMaster
12 күн бұрын
@@Makorzespartan eyes it wouldn't be a problem. Spartan time is a thing
@Makorze
12 күн бұрын
@@RowbotMaster I'm sure they do. Tho at the end of the day Astartes are stronger purely because there so over the top in engineering. One example being how thier bones and muscles grow. Not only only does thier ribcage grow into one solid plate (so no pesky gaps for a blade or bullet to get through) but the effectively have no necks because that area is a vunerablity to the spinal cord. In the books it takes something a daemon Prince or a have tyrant to actually snap a Space Marines neck and nothing in the Halo universe is on par with either of those monsters.
@moonamir9708
12 күн бұрын
@@MakorzeI don't think the rip cage grows to be one plate because if does than it will lower the Mobility of Astartes a lot, Same for the neck also.
@Makorze
12 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 it does limit them in fact. In most books and animations, Space Marines have to actually turn thier full bodies to face in a different direction. Space Marine helmets actually can display movement outside of thier FOV so this isnt a problem. (Its also a habit they get from wearing thier power armour for so long too. FUN FACT: The Sisters of Battle can even develop a weird tic where they also turn like that because the helm limits the rotation of thier head... ... this habit even persists through death. When Gaunt sees a vision of Saint Sabbat, she still makes the same movements with her head as if she is in full power armour)
@RepressedMemories16
13 күн бұрын
Think we could get your weigh in on the forbidden lightsaber form trakata? I wanna know if you think with force like reflexes if it would be effective or is a death trap? Also, lightsaber vs halo energy sword? Which would you choose and which is more effective in your eyes? Thanks for keeping up the content my dude, always entertaining.
@CreepierVonJ
13 күн бұрын
For sure a good point worth bringing up
@jeremiahcherry5283
13 күн бұрын
Nope. Absolutely not.
@2v02
13 күн бұрын
It would make sense if it was real life. In practice, I think I've heard about duels lasting way longer than days taking place. I don't really think that we should take endurance of a mutant with 2 hearts, 3 lungs and a body deliberately made perfect for combat by decades of training, surgery and biological implants into account. It really wouldn't be fair
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
Astartes are not mutants. Been established in the lore for decades that mutation is heresy. Mutation in 40k is the product of exposure to radioactivity or chaos corruption. The astartes are the product of neither.
@whiteeye3453
9 күн бұрын
Space marine stomp spartans
@trolltalwar
9 күн бұрын
Space marines are not mutants.
@eeebee6166
13 күн бұрын
It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to say stupid shit and pretend they’re right lol. Which one would kill the other hand to hand? Space marine wins every time
@trolltalwar
12 күн бұрын
Vance has built this channel on astartes hate
@moonamir9708
12 күн бұрын
If Spartan managed to Punch astartes neck, than spartan wins.
@eeebee6166
12 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 clearly, you’ve never seen a space marine. The Spartans would just be enhanced humans in the 40k setting. They would not stand a chance against an astartes. Maybe against a neophyte that is still n the process of getting the organs implanted, but not an actual full battle brother.
@moonamir9708
12 күн бұрын
@@eeebee6166 again no, Recent lore pretty much put spartans in the same strength as Average astartes, It just astartes has better Endurance, Both Can dish out the same output of Damage but Space Marine can take in more Damage & can move, so if spartan get lucky hit in weak part then spartan win. (Lifting more than 10 tons door in halo infinite) (Lifting more than 10 tons boulder in Shadows of reach) (Punching Charging 2.4 tons banshee so hard that he send the banshee flying in the opposite direction) (Spartan 4 aka weakest spartans are able to drag 12 tons Bumblebee,S2 are 2.5 stronger than S4, Meaning S2 in Gen 3 should be able to drug/push 30 tons at minimum) Both on the same level with Sm having Endurance/Stamina/Experience/Weapons Spartans having Speed/Agility/Adaptability/Equipments & both tie in Strength/Durability/Reaction/Accuracy.
@eeebee6166
12 күн бұрын
@@moonamir9708 Lol "recent lore". So what, they decided "actually, Spartan's are not stronger than Space Marines that are in a completely different franchise, even though that franchise has been around since the 80s" Yea ok kiddo. You're like the child that always has a magical excuse for why you win at games because you just make shit up as you go. Get outta here with that🤣🤣
@underdoggizmo9844
13 күн бұрын
Astartes vs Spartans is the sci fi version of lions vs tigers both super soldiers are very capable of killing each other
@underdoggizmo9844
13 күн бұрын
1400 lbs is for the firstborn marines though primaris can lift 1600-1700 if you add the 20-25% power boost they receive.
@chrishayes6359
13 күн бұрын
My man the space Marine the number you're using is what they've shown not the max that they can do yeah I know a lot of people with their own I have done it several times myself but in truth the space Marines actual physical capabilities are not displayed because there's no actual numbers put to it it's just the number that they used for the crushing of the human skull bear-handed because that was the best they had where they could actually measure the possibility of strength in the fact that it's said that a an armor space Marine one-handed can crush a human skull with ease means there's more
@moonamir9708
13 күн бұрын
Same for spartans Even spartans 4 are known to lift 3 tons warthog(yes lift not flip), & Spartans 2 in gen 3 has 2 feats of lifting more than 10 tons.
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