Please make this a series! Looking forward to DK vs Druid. 😁
@igortoniato
2 жыл бұрын
you should use frenzied regeneration when you are taking a lot of damage consistently, you heal yourself and also increases the amount other people can heal you. Survival instincts is our oh shit button for spike damage. You can always combine both with barskin and indestructible potion, if it's melee damage
@tylerprice7486
Жыл бұрын
Something to consider about sacred shield vs savage defense, ss scales from spell power which Holy Paladins always have more of and will be applying to both tanks. So unless you don't have an HPal in the raid edge to savage defense.
@jamessikaris9288
2 жыл бұрын
Such a detailed breakdown. Very well Done bro.
@GamingDualities
2 жыл бұрын
Its the same thing every youtuber is repeating
@jamessikaris9288
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamingDualities maybe it’s just his magical voice then.
@iansparks5143
2 жыл бұрын
so the thing you miss is that in wrath boss's just hit like a truck wrapped in barbed wire wrapped in in cats that's why we stacked Stam because you needed to be able to survive not getting healed for 2 hits that's why druid is so good they have massive health pools and mitigation meaning they can easily take the hits wile paladins are still very strong they still.have a harder time getting the hp to tanknheroic sindagrosa or lichking
@rivalintraining
2 жыл бұрын
i play a bear and the health pools only matter in the early game by the end of the expansion everyone has like 30k health and tanks sit at like 40- 50k the health doesnt matter
@iansparks5143
2 жыл бұрын
@@rivalintraining the health does matter tho 25 heroic sendagrosa's breath hits for 67kand you can't have up a cdnfor every breath add to it then stacking 20% magic damage taken debuff and it can really hurt and will by no means am I saying that only bears can do it I'm saying that they have an easyer time of doing it with a 100k health pool vs a warrior with a 65k
@OnlyTidus
2 жыл бұрын
Good vid but this doesn't show leader of pack self and group healing
@yanlee3037
Жыл бұрын
Sacred shield can also put on the druid by another paladin. Savage defense is like the shield block but more powerful for single targets.
@yanlee3037
Жыл бұрын
The best tank in the expansion is a druid, because it has the most effective health, which in the end is what determines how much damage it can take, which is the main function of the tank. The paladin is the best off tank, due to utility.
@NinjaBlue64
Жыл бұрын
Paladin's can generate mana through judgement of wisdom and seal of wisdom allowing them to switch off of command or corruptions/vengence to regain some mana. Also with divine plea/spiritual attunement the only bosses you go oom on are bosses your so over geared for they do no damage to you anyway which is only really when you go back a tier or use bis 25man gear in a 10 man raid. Not sure how much experience you have playing the class but it seem insufficient to make any worth while or useful critiques of the class
@Tronder_91
2 жыл бұрын
love the video, but you show damage reduction that only they bring themselves like if they don't have any other's in the raid to buff them. A holy or Off tank prot pala can buff the druid with much of what you say makes the paladin's better. Blessing of Sanctuary, aura, Sacred sheid aso aso. Sacred shield also remove 500 damage vs savage shield that reduce 25% of your attack power. prebis naxx you have around 3347 attack power and it would give you 836 absorb on every crit, and as you progress you get more and more damage reduction where the sacred shield sat at 500. You also don't bring in how they scale with other buffs that the raid bring. I would really like to see a comparison video where you compare the damage taken and threat between paladin and druid with full raid buff and debuff, and how useful they are with a full raid with them vs standalone buff/debuff. You gave the win to paladin because of Divine Guardian's 6sec of 20%damage reduction, but don't think about that demo roar reduce boss damage on all abillites with a average of 12% at all times.
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
Love feedback my guy. So in regards Savage defense (SD) vs Sacred Shield (SS), SD is more akin to blocking attacks with some difference that work in favor of blocks. The reason i felt like i couldnt make the 1:1 comparison is because blocking attacks can happen in rapid succession especially against multiple enemies, individually. SD only works on the next attack and even though it has no ICD (as far as I can tell) 1 proc of savage defense will only work on the next attack that lands from 1 target so it loses value it aoe tanking situations, which seems like an unfair comparison looking at it side by side. Sacred shield got the win b/c even tho it doesnt scale (also as far as i can tell), it is buffed bu the Divine Guardian talent increasing the absorb effect by 20%, bringing it up to 600. It also works on both physical and magic attacks and is further bolstered by the fact that blocking occurs prior to any absorb effect on the tank. So if the pally blocks an attack it will go through the block value first then the SS, increasing its effectiveness. SD does scale with AP but still is more hindered by its own mechanics. Also the reason I tried not focus too much on buffs and filed them into utility is b/c paladin is one of the best classes when it comes to raid buffs and it felt like I would be just down talking the druid the whole video. As you had stated, having a holy/ret or OT prot pally in the raid group gives tremendous buffs to the druid but those same buffs would be applied to the paladin as well. Barring fights that strictly do physical damage and spawn no adds (Patchwerk) an unbuffed pally brings more baseline DR than an unbuffed druid so buffing them both would still result in the pally still being a little more sturdy.
@igortoniato
2 жыл бұрын
@@SOULTHAGOD I mean, you are not considering armor in that calculation. I'm almost full pre bis and I'm sitting around 63% DR from armor for every attack in an aoe scenario plus SD which I can block almost every time, cause we crit a lot specially with swipe not being capped to 3 mobs anymore, around 1.1k damage. Bears struggle basically with magical damage but we can compensate it with a huge HP and keeping barskin up as most as possible
@fillosopher7
Жыл бұрын
@@igortoniato coming to the conversation late. I think this could be a fair comparison. Your crit rate is your shield block chance and the next attack will have it's damage reduced (hence block reduction). Soul could have made it one in one. I do think he got it mostly right though. Had to put my two cents in.
@silentriver8488
Жыл бұрын
thanks bro! do you play the game atm? any suggestions on a solid server ?
@stillnotchill2560
Жыл бұрын
Like the video but your voice audio is too low, and the music too loud. Had to use a speaker attachment on my phone to even hear it.
@pendragonshall
Жыл бұрын
your volume of speaking and I mean the uploaded level is a little too low.. GREAT video and thank you
@mman12
10 ай бұрын
Bro plz turn down the music man. Can barely understand ya but really appreciate the video
@andrewandreasen162
2 жыл бұрын
hey man great videos. Do you stream?
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
Not at the moment but plan to in the future
@JayPlaysEverything
2 жыл бұрын
I play a feral at a pretty high level. What are your thoughts on SWP specc versus a leveling spec? I plan on feral/boomkin dual boxing as much as i can in dungeons, both swp geared.
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
It depends on what your plans are with dual boxing, are u going solo or u have a grp
@jesserivette4503
Жыл бұрын
(Pls answer this for me lol thanks)Man ive been playing all the tanks since phase 1 I gave up on dk didnt liek itat all I mained feral in tbc and sadly in p1 threat just wasnt there well being able to be tanky enough imo BUT my prot pally is 5200gs now and I just raid and log so I decided im gunna bring my druid tank back and I had to pause the vid to ask you, You said in fights with stacks and taunt swaps you will see druid take more dmg I wastanking ToGC on my bear last night and normally on NB first boss u swap at 3 stacks but on my pally i can push it to 4 stacks on my bear I had to pop Barksin at 2 and have an external like PS hitting 3 stacks so why is that stacking debuffs do so much more dmg everything else was fine tanking heroic anub and all just that 1 boss? @soul Thanks
@SOULTHAGOD
Жыл бұрын
I would have to see logs to understand the specifics but at face value from what your describing I would theorize that its probably more so the upfront damage doing more harm to you than the actually bleed affect. Generally speaking large upfront physical hits are a bear's strong point with their high health/armor values. However you may be seeing better results on your paladin just by the nature of the class. Bears do have higher armor than the other tanks but in the current phase the armor values arent drastically different. A P3 BiS geared fully buffed druid will have some where around 35-36k armor where a paladin may have 31k-ish, again not a big difference especially after armor DR. After you get past the main trait of a druid in comparison to pally, IMO paladin just becomes better. They have a stronger wall abilty that stops 50% of the dmg taken vs 20% from Barksin, taking account talents paladins have a passive 12% DR to all dmg, they can block and parry which is something a druid cant do so yea you may have an easier time on a paladin by nature.
@jesserivette4503
Жыл бұрын
@@SOULTHAGOD Thanks I mean ya my pally is my main granted its more geared but kinda seems that way for warrior aswel it just felt like ones the stacking debuff stacked I was taking tons more dmg but we had some horrible healers and I mean it was just bad all aroun we did clear HMs but ya it just seems that way for that 1 boss anub was fine felt super smooth damage coming in was expected not spikey sadly it wasnt logged but after reset if it happens again ill get the logs it may have just been a healing issue tbh because ive seen bears do togc just fine bear is just more for my fun I missed it played it all tbc Pally is main and I did play a ton of warr this xpac aswel dk for me just felt to squishy granted they have insane single target threat its not needed any of our tanks can keep threat so why take a squishy one ty for the answer!
@kellybertei1582
2 жыл бұрын
what about parry and block vs dodge
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
So imo when comparing the avoidance stats, a paladin's parry and dodge will be close to a druid's total dodge so to me they're on even terms in that field. In regards to block and block value, the shield tanks (pallys, and warriors) being able to block and shave off dmg throughout a fight is similar to the niches that druids and DK's have. Druids have way more armor than the other tanks so it reduces the physical dmg that take greatly when compared to the others and DKs can heal back some of the dmg they take effectively negating portions of dmg. Alot of that stuff is on the same playing field so a comparison might of been over the top
@ivailomendarov2378
2 жыл бұрын
I played druid all the way from classic ,entire tbc classic and now onto wotlk so its clear to say im team druid all day :) i really dont like the whole super hyping around paladins simply because in order to shine as a paladin you need skilled tank and as we all should know by now tons of paladins from tbc were meh at best :) one more thing ,about the smooth dmg income on bears ,thats mainly due to the remove of crushing blows in wotlk :) crushings occur on Very few encounters under specific conditions :) so ye Bears are Kind of safe in that department and later on with gear scaling they will take over big time aside DK's as usual main tanks and paladins will become the same support/off tanks like in tbc :) so im cool
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
I mained a bear for most of tbc classic and i def faired better than alot of my war/pally counter parts so i feel you. That being said......#teambloodDK
@GamingDualities
2 жыл бұрын
Paladin doesn't have demoralizing shout tho and warrior has better thorns. And warrior has sunder armor and thunder clap. Who cares about that talent eho only activates at 30%hp. Warrior aoe threat get huge buffs in wotlk
@jammies7310
2 жыл бұрын
Paladins can bring both the thunder clap and improved demo shout debuff. Threat as a whole gets reworked in wrath, no tank has threat issues anyway and Ardent defender (assuming thats what your talking about) is still a cheat death. Warriors are just trash compared to pallies, you hate to see it
@jamessikaris9288
2 жыл бұрын
Comparing feral and prot paladin, warrior isn’t a consideration. I get it man I mained a prot warrior all through wotlk and it wasn’t the best single target tank. Hell yeah dungeon tanking and adds tanking it shone. But when it comes to raid bosses. People are way more comfortable with prot paladin.
@GamingDualities
2 жыл бұрын
@@jammies7310 Paladins have thunder clap and Demoralizing shout????
@SOULTHAGOD
2 жыл бұрын
They are talents for the paladin but yes they can bring the attk speed slow and attk power debuffs
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