Great review! To me, unless the shoe is durable enough for 1,000 miles, it’s not worth that price point. With 80 miles/week on the trails mostly, if it lasts the typical 400-500 miles most trail runners last. That’s an incredible commitment for that price
@kofuzi
2 жыл бұрын
I think if we were to look at a meal at a restaurant, one could say, "if it's going to cost double what a normal restaurant meal costs, it better have twice as much food on the plate". one might alternatively ask, "is the meal twice as good?" perhaps the quality of ingredients or the skill of the preparation can be used as criteria for answering the question. using durability is certainly one valid way we can begin to discuss whether this shoe is worth the price. but perhaps there are other ways we can measure price per performance.
@theependleton
2 жыл бұрын
@@kofuzi I agree :) I think there are many ways to work through the worth or value of the show. Absolutely! I was just doing the math on the cost of the shoes and if they last 500 miles that’s an investment of $3,000 a year (at 80 miles/week) as opposed to &1,300 a year (my current budget for trail shoes).
@over1498
Жыл бұрын
I ran em for ~500 miles, then cut down all the lugs to match the most worn ones. Now it’s basically a new shoe and I’m feeling another 500 is possible, though the rest will be more dirt/gravel/sand than cliff side. (And actually I’ll probably cave and buy the updated HSV model). I’m sure there ARE solid value and cheaper. But I guarantee if you’re running some of the most popular models like the Nike Peg Trail, you’ll be on your 4th pair and will have spent more than using one pair of these. And had a far worse running experience.
@Jasonhimstedt1979
Жыл бұрын
Saw one in my size on eBay for $250. Offered them $225, and they accepted! Yay, that’s a way better price I can swallow. They’re on the way to me now.
@kofuzi
Жыл бұрын
hope you enjoy!
@terryfurlong518
3 жыл бұрын
The Rolls Royce of trail shoes and like a RR if Sir has to ask how much they cost Sir cannot afford them. Eye watering price. Great scenery at least that’s free.
@pam00088
3 жыл бұрын
Love some of the ideas here and would like to see more running brands using Boa dials. I remain convinced that carbon plates and exaggerated toe spring will cause serious issues if used day to day.
@luisdelpozo9674
3 жыл бұрын
why? (honest question)
@pam00088
3 жыл бұрын
@@luisdelpozo9674 put simply, these are extreme examples of 'features' that actually prevent your foot from working properly. That's nothing new though - almost all shoes undermine foot function in one way or another. If your foot doesn't work properly, either because it is restricted, weakened or deformed, there will be a knock-on impact as joints, tendons and muscles try to compensate. Plantar fasciitis, ankle problems, shin problems, calf problems, knee problems, hamstring problems, hip problems, back problems, etc. In other words, most common running injuries.
@nickshaner5376
3 жыл бұрын
Starved Rock is my go to trail run!!! You need to run Mathesson which is right next door to starved rock
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the tip! I'll definitely be returning to the area
@sgtmidgetpanda2121
3 жыл бұрын
These things look insane but wish it wasn’t so expensive. I’d be the person to just buy these and shave the lugs and wear them for both
@catchpole11
3 жыл бұрын
If they last 3,000 miles, I'm in.
@katiem3626
2 жыл бұрын
i don’t care about the shoes, i want to run on those trails!
@kofuzi
2 жыл бұрын
this was my first time out there. a fun place that I'll definitely be returning to
@manueltan8962
3 жыл бұрын
I like the color for you ! its not black LOL
@franciscocamerini31
3 жыл бұрын
I thought you were reviewing cycling cleats lol
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
I can understand that. I've changed the thumbnail so it doesn't inadvertently turn people away
@paddywiggle
3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I’d be scared of is hitting a rock with the side of my foot and ruining one of the boa dials, rendering the shoe (and thus pair) useless.
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
I think Boa has been around in trail shoes for a while now, so I would imagine that there is already some data on that. unfortunately, I'm not aware what that data might show
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
they're not cheap
@paultimothyL
3 жыл бұрын
Yo!! You kinda lost me at $375 US funds 😳😳😳. Looks like an interesting shoe none the less 👍
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
yeah, they're not cheap
@Xavis0
3 жыл бұрын
These things look like an all-terrain track spike.
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
I do kind of wish they could have figured out a way to make the lugs removable like spikes
@cesartorre9236
2 жыл бұрын
To me this is nonsense. At that price you can buy three different shoes and you don't go messing around cutting lugs, which most people don't have a clue where to cut. Cut the lugs and... you'll get a sole for a specific terrain ¿? Waste the sole and the rest of the (375 $) shoe is over.
@vincentvenieris2185
3 жыл бұрын
Good thing you didn’t have to pay for them?! Haha!
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
If I had, it wouldn’t have been the most I have spent on a pair of running shoes
@fredknoch
3 жыл бұрын
I understand the business model: people buy expensive gear in other outdoor activities; they’ll buy “gear” for running. It’s exciting and scary at the same time. I love these shoes and am tempted to get them but I never will. They’re just too expensive. I can see other people, however, buying them: Gearheads, alpine runners, and people that can afford $375!! I have a fear that they will take off and this will become the norm for trail running. Step into REI and you will dump 2-3k on biking gear, 1-2k on cross country ski gear, 2k on downhill, etc. So in that context going from $140 to $375 for trail shoes is nothing. In a nutshell, I want them to succeed but just as a fringe company.
@kastblaster9896
3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the great reviews and work, man! Looks kinda like a bike shoe haha
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
a lot of people have been saying that. I've changed the video thumbnail so it doesn't turn people away. I had a really fun time on the trails in this shoe, and I hope people get a chance to see that
@kastblaster9896
3 жыл бұрын
The thumbnail looks great! I would still watch your videos even if you started reviewing bike shoes
@kerry_runs
3 жыл бұрын
375!?! Heck naw!
@RUN-SC
3 жыл бұрын
Agree, hard pass at that price. I can get the Hoka Torrent 1 for 90$
@paddywiggle
3 жыл бұрын
Yea… the idea is nice, and if I had enough money to buy it I would, but for that money I can buy like 3-4 shoes that do many different things.
@tsubakichan
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely gorgeous running footage! I'm glad you did a longer montage!
@markchangcoco5427
3 жыл бұрын
Removable midsole is interesting, so expensive though....maybe if that midsole was zoomX lol
@tymyatt8768
3 жыл бұрын
Good video! It is an interesting shoe. I feel like they took the Saucony Mad River TR concept and dialed it to 11.
@HuwJones
3 жыл бұрын
I think you're talking about the Saucony Switchback which had the BOA system? The Mad River TR's a great trail shoe for sure but I'm also enjoying the Peregrine as it has a rock plate. I had the first version of the Switchback which I enjoyed quite a bit. This SL:PDX is kind of cool also because you can return them to Speedland to be fully recycled. I wonder how long the visible stitching between the outsole and upper will last - especially at the flex point.
@stickonatree
3 жыл бұрын
Love the 💩 picture in the background next to your head 😂
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
it's made out of little plastic beads that you melt together with an iron
@CrazedMagiicz
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta do norda 001s
@spicypretzel7616
3 жыл бұрын
Third !
@kaishunider4110
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see this shoe as a road running shoe in the near future
@hagakuru
3 жыл бұрын
Excited that BOA is starting to slowly trickle from the cycling industry over to running - it's a superior lacing system.
@paddywiggle
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, but only two dial systems. One dial boas are imprecise and will always lose to lacing (which is a lot more customizable).
@andrewc662
3 жыл бұрын
At first I thought these were cycling shoes.
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
I understand. I've changed the thumbnail so it doesn't inadvertently turn people away
@roustabout4fun
2 жыл бұрын
I would love to get your comparison w the Altra Mont Blanc BOA....when it comes out. They seem rather kindred. Could the carbon plate be re-used in another shoe...after the soles wear out- think that could be done...depending on the shoe.
@剎那Z
3 жыл бұрын
Great talk , maybe you need to try The North Face Flight VECTIV and compare both shoes .
@nizam_mr
3 жыл бұрын
Modular idea. Like snowboard boots you can swap the insole and liners (although manufacturer brands dont advertised as such, but manufacturer somewhat follows industry standard and user ends up can do so)
@jimduyck
3 жыл бұрын
Dyneema aka Cuben Fiber is pretty popular in ultralight hiking gear, but was initially utilized in sails. That softer knit sounds like a slightly different construction though.
@prod1gy305
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the lacing system in that shoe
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
I didn’t think I would like it as much as I do
@gijssmets
3 жыл бұрын
At 3:42 I read "Run With The Lard" on the side of the shoe. :-) I must be hungry
@danieltsuedo334
3 жыл бұрын
fair review.., that price take is hefty though. i can get 4 shoes for that, clearance of course.., but still 4 pairs of shoes. the entry into the ecosystem is hefty though, if that’s their move
@mvzinn111
3 жыл бұрын
I'll run barefoot or on converse before I spend that much on a running shoe.
@davidcallan7844
3 жыл бұрын
Man this is cool.😎🏃♂️👍
@McFearless80
3 жыл бұрын
New mic sounds great
@bcockton
3 жыл бұрын
Its a cool looking shoe (or equipment), but that price is hard to get over. Before tax and shipping that works out to $475 CAD. What happens if you cut the lugs and you make a mistake or decide you don't like the way it feels after...
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
that's why I couldn't make myself trim any of the lugs
@chagra5085
3 жыл бұрын
I would love to use this if i get a vacation and go to hawaii😁
@rbaude27
3 жыл бұрын
If you worry about the price you probably are not the target consumer This is a no compromise shoe. For the same reason people buy 10k bikes and it's people with 500 dollars bike that cry about it
@jimduyck
3 жыл бұрын
Sees a Kofuzi trail video and immediately starts wondering "does he get lost this time?" 🤣
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
it didn't make the video this time, but I did make two significant wrong turns on this day
@marcsalzman8204
3 жыл бұрын
you make the best review videos !!! big fan!!!
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
thanks Marc!
@paddywiggle
3 жыл бұрын
Saw the thumbnail and immediately clicked
@kofuzi
3 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@TrailrunnerTroy
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Ordered mine Aug 11 and still haven’t shipped. Order fulfillment is a work in progress. Excellent video. Love the BOA in my La Sportiva Cyklon and and hopeful 2 BOAs are even better than one.
@TrailrunnerTroy
3 жыл бұрын
Update: This is the best trail shoe I’ve ever tried since began running here in Colorado in 1978. Qualitatively different and better! Well worth the price. The Salomon Glide Ride, Hoka Zinal and other ‘21 best-sellers are fine shoes but don’t come close to the PDX in grip, comfort and lockdown.
@rickymclain
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrailrunnerTroy Glad to hear it is working so well for you. How would you say the fit is, specifically width? I'm usually needing something on the wider end.
@TrailrunnerTroy
2 жыл бұрын
@@rickymclain hi Ricky. Best fitting upper I’ve ever experienced in any trail shoe. The toe box is excellent for my wide feet. The dual BOA allows for a precise fit so that the PDX is like an extension of your feet.
@rickymclain
2 жыл бұрын
@@TrailrunnerTroy Awesome, thanks again for the info Troy! They are sold out of my size in the SL:PDX so I'm hoping to give the SL:HSV a try when they come out this spring
@kingklevr
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Troy, can you use the shoe for long runs, ie. 50 miles plus?
@Myspiritualrhythm
2 жыл бұрын
Trail running....it used to be cool but now you must wear $180 "wokas" like all the rad grandmother's out there (and yes every single person I see from 60-90yrs is wearing them and Brookes as walking shoes) or you have to be even more privileged and pay $300 for shoes like these now...lol. When I first started running 6 yrs ago Hokas we're $90 bucks. Crazy. Trail running is stupid now. I'll run in sandles.
@kofuzi
2 жыл бұрын
it sounds like you've been holding that one in for a while. I hope you feel better now.
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