The issue with Pandemic Legacy is that it has zero innovation and is just a bunch of recycled ideas. Pandemic won't win the award. At least time stories is trying something different but it has some adult themes which will hurt it. I think Isle of skye will win as it has more appeal to a larger audience and it has expanded on the tile laying concept.
@jasonperez6646
8 жыл бұрын
Nonsense. Integrating story and mechanics is hard. That game does it as well, if not better, than anything else.
@GamingWithGeo
8 жыл бұрын
I agree that Pandemic Legacy shouldn't win, as it basically just combined parts of the previous expansions into one box. Time Stories tells a much better story and is more innovative.
@MrRadialdrift
8 жыл бұрын
Jason Perez Zombies are interesting? Or the most over used element in board gaming in the last few years. Legends of Andor has a more interesting story, theme and game mechanics.
@bobgabriels8456
8 жыл бұрын
it is not the 'most innovative game of the year' award. It is an award for a game that is enjoyed by the masses. A such, this game was my best game experience, hands down. (I rated nearly 500 games at this point in time.)
@MrHepp
8 жыл бұрын
Q: "Where is Elysium?" A: On the nomination list for Kennerspiel des Jahres 2015.
@DavidSupina
8 жыл бұрын
Pandemic lost the Spiel Des Jahres to Dominion. So that's... understandable.
@deliablitz1243
8 жыл бұрын
It's unusual that they nominated heavily language-dependent games like Time Stories and Codenames.
@littleratblue
8 жыл бұрын
Zee's argument that you can't play Time Stories with any arbitrary group - and thus won't win the award - seems to also be true for Pandemic Legacy? Of the two, Time Stories is actually better. I've had Pandemic Legacy sitting on my shelf for 6 months because I don't have a game group that plays consistently and often enough to merit a 16 game campaign. Each episode of Time Stories seems to be do-able in one or two sittings, which is a lot more reasonable for a lot more groups.
@Phildiculous
8 жыл бұрын
Weirdly enough, that doesn't mean Time Stories is better. I probably like Time Stories more but it's not a better game. Pandemic Legacy has such a long, cohesive, and engaging story that makes you care, personally about every game. Time stories is like watching a movie but it's not like participating in the movie, at least not to the degree that legacy is.
@KabukiKid
8 жыл бұрын
Having played both TIME Stories and Pandemic Legacy, my favorite is easily TIME Stories. Now, do understand that I loved Pandemic Legacy too, but TIME Stories blew me away and I can't wait for more expansions. Make them faster! I need more! lol TIME Stories is one of the games I gave a perfect 10 rating to on BGG. My other 10 rating from last year was Codenames, in fact.
@TheMrE
8 жыл бұрын
It's going to be Pandemic Legacy for the same reason that Broom Service won last time: it's an "improvement" on a previously nominated game.
@cursivecurses
8 жыл бұрын
nice catch!
@KWFSalvador
8 жыл бұрын
Tom, Elysium was a Kennerspiel nominee in 2015.
@Noonycurt
8 жыл бұрын
So was Deus.
@KWFSalvador
8 жыл бұрын
Nope. Deus was in recommendations list.
@Noonycurt
8 жыл бұрын
Possible, but it definitely wasn't eligible this year.
@Steve-L
8 жыл бұрын
Code Names: I am not into word games, not interested at all, though I would play it, if nothing else better was being played, but haven't played it yet. IMHOTEP: seems like a cross between Puerto Rico and Cleopatra and the Society of Architects and haven't played it, but have played those games I am comparing it to. And it sounds interesting and fun. But not high ranking so. Karuba: Sounds fun, but haven't played it. It seems lighter than IMHOTEP. My prediction is tough, as I haven't played these, but can fairly accurately guess the play of Code Names, but I don't think I can accurately guess Karuba. I think IMHOTEP will win, and cannot vote what my favorite is without playing 2 of these. TIME Stories: I have not played it, but am super excited about it. Pandemic Legacy: The theme kills the game for me. I get grossed out by viruses, medical stuff, and so on, and so have never even played regular Pandemic. Isle of Skye: I have actually played this one, and almost a year ago already. I like it, it's my 27th favorite game, and actually played this before playing any Carcassonne game. Who do I think will win? I feel the Dice Tower's logic for Pandemic Legacy, but am gonna guess they are not ready to be so bold, I guess Isle of Skye. But my vote would be TIME Stories even without playing it, guessing I will absolutely love that game.
@stevef3663
8 жыл бұрын
Karuba. Listening to a speech from a Spiel committee member about what they are about tells me Karuba works best for what they select. Based on what the committee uses to select means Codenames does not fit as well as Karuba. *Edit: Surprised you very experienced gamers missed that Elysium was a Kenner just last year.
@2dTones
8 жыл бұрын
The KdJ is really hard to call this year as the Legacy games are very different beasts and its all down to how strongly the judges feel these games fit into the spirit of the award. I'm going to go with traditional SdJ type games and predict Karuba and Isle of Skye.
@charlesleonard6673
8 жыл бұрын
I with Zee here and the popular vote...winners and best games, Codenames & Pandemic: Legacy.
@danielengel4593
8 жыл бұрын
Codenames was such a dissapointment for both of my groups...Like Imhotep and Karuba much more. My winner would be Imhotep.
@KWFSalvador
8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
Cosign
@gamera2351
8 жыл бұрын
Hear Hear!
@spiderfingers86
8 жыл бұрын
so now that the winners have been announced, what are your thoughts/reactions?
@Houjixful
8 жыл бұрын
Pandemic Legacy I would call it a trash bin recycle game. I seriously don't want to see anymore of these one shot games. A real board game is something that you can keep on your shelf and pull out to play anytime
@joelbergvonlinde1389
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, god forbid someone ever challenging the norm!
@martinlarouche4418
8 жыл бұрын
If PL wins, were going to see a heck of a lot of games that puts stickers instead of cards.
@TheMidnightpatronus
8 жыл бұрын
"Real board game"
@cursivecurses
8 жыл бұрын
The KdJ picks aren't so weird if you recall that Legends of Andor won, partially because of its innovative no-rulebook approach. TIME Stories has a similar vibe of just looking at cards and doing what they say.
@trdi
8 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping Codenames wouldn't have won, because it's by far worst game of the six and the most overrated game of the year in my opinion. My fav was Karuba in that group. In the "serious" group, I am much happier with their choice of Isle of Sky. Not because the game is so amazing, but because I really dislike the other two and don't wish to encourage more of similar games being developed. If you want one time experience get a PC game. If there is a box, the game needs to be playable forever. Also, TIME stories... it reminds me a lot of PC game Assassin's Creed. It started very interesting, people were expecting maybe a trilogy or similar number of parts, that would explain the underlying story. But it quickly became a cash cow and it turned into a joke.
@andrewgamer7631
8 жыл бұрын
Spiel: I would vote for Codenames, but Imhotep might win. Kennerspiel: I really hope Isle of Skye wins since it's the only good game among the three nominees. If they wanted originality, they should have nominated Risk Legacy when it came out. Pandemic Legacy is derivative and way worse than both regular Pandemic and Risk Legacy. TIME Stories is not a new concept, it's a really bad and short copy of the Fighting Fantasy gamebooks. If you want to play better and longer scenarios try with a FF book.
@jttwaddle
8 жыл бұрын
I've played Codenames and I thought it was just okay. I doubt I'd ever play it again. There's nothing particularly WRONG with the game... It's just not as fun as most people would have you believe. Imhotep, however, was a blast! Very well designed, light Euro games with short play length always do well in our game group.
@marcoschaub8978
8 жыл бұрын
I think *Isle of Skye* was a good choice. Problem with *TIME Stories*: You can only play it once. Problem with *Pandemic Legacy*: It's a campaign style game. You need to be able to get together with the same group of people consistently to play this. I know for me that's nearly impossible. I do have a core group of sorts, but often we have a wild fourth player that changes. Also, I'm not sure they'd even like a game with a campaign. And then it's not like you can reset and start with another group midway through.
@Mentat1231
8 жыл бұрын
Went back and watched some old "Blender Best of the Month" videos, and I laughed when I saw what Suzanne picked for the very first two episodes: The first episode, she picked an early pre-release of a funny little party game called "Codenames"; the second episode, she picked "Isle of Skye"! Lol. Suz predicted the Spiels in sequential Best of the Month episodes!
@johny123456ification
8 жыл бұрын
Codenames-Imhotep-karubaPandemic legacy-time stories-isle of skyeIf the voting comittee are going a totally different direction then all the popular games will win it like codenames and pandic legacy...But until now they always voted old school, different then what most people exspect,classical.So I think karuba(kids can play) and isley of sky(everybody can play is a fast game) will be picked by voting comittee.They are All family games, not hard to play and easy to play with kids and in a short time to explain.Should win that I like myself the most codenames and isle of sky not pandemic legacy(short live span)(have not played also not karuba and time stories like pandemic legacy concept on but would luke to say this in a space game.Karuba,I already own better tile laying games, bingo games(augustus) and TS is not my cup of thea, like other story telling/interacting games better)First games are picked only on the basic that what I played the most( have not played pandemic legacy, played pandemic a lot)Another list: which games need it the most, to keep selling or to make them sell better in the future.This leaves out pandemic it's hot hot hot baby and will stay hot .Time stories will have out a lot of modules just wait and see easy way of making money(who out there is not a collector) like a pokemon saying got a catch them all!))Print some new cards in a box and call it a new game!So this leaves isley if skye as they pick.kennerspiel;Next ones codenames is there still anyone out there not hear of this game! Imhotep gets enough buss already and is a solid game,a gamers game, already sold in english, so that leaves karuba that I have seen been played only ones (I'm from holland play a lot of games in a lot of different places and with different groups) and heared only nothing about this game, makes karuba the pick.Kenners spielPandemic legacy sell it self.Time stories english version has alread sold good.To make it sell (enough)german versions and make the modules also german but it needs something extra but I think the game has gained enough credit to get over that hump and do well and get more modules out.isley of skye doesn't got any buss and untill know most people have not heared of it are played it(reason I played it a lot and I played the game at essen spiel 2015 in a hotel with peoply who stayed there, also publisher of the game was there and explained the game)so this is my pick.Good game that needs and deserves some more love!List based on german publisher who (and) sell, make distrubuted the game:(Myself don't have enough information on that, so this list will stay empty until now)Any comment are welcome
@jasonbagley3712
8 жыл бұрын
I definitely expected Isle of Skye to win. I didn't know anything about any of the Spiel des jahres nominations, though, so I had no idea. The reason Isle of Skye doesn't surprise me is because it is a good, solid game, high replayability (especially next to all the rest of those games), and it matches the same kind of games they've picked in previous years. Having said that, I definitely think Time Stories or Pandemic Legacy are better gaming experiences, by far. Oh well.
@KabukiKid
8 жыл бұрын
I have played almost all of the nominees this year; the only one I haven't played yet is Imhotep. If I was able to pick my favorites, it would be Codenames and TIME Stories. What do I think will win? Codenames and Pandemic Legacy... pretty much for the reasons everyone seems to be laying out.
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
Codenames=Overrated. Imhotep should have gotten imo. Happy that Isle of Skye won! Pandemic Legacy should not even have gotten nominated. Pandemic games= yet another cash grab without any originality.
@gamera2351
8 жыл бұрын
I've tried Codenames quite a few times trying to understand the hype. The best reaction I get is "yeah it was ok". At multiple parties I always have to be cluegiver. No one else want to do it. And if anyone does reluctantly try being Cluegiver there is a TON of AP and they are clearly stressing and not having fun. This happens every time.
@Jeff321
8 жыл бұрын
Well I haven't played all these but my guesses for winners are Karuba & Pandemic Legacy. They just seem like the type of games SdJ would pick.
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Zee's comment on the interaction of Imhotep being too mean. Buddy, you've been playing multi solitaires for too long. The player interaction there is just perfect.
@stormy7722
8 жыл бұрын
Kennerspiel is definitely an odd trio this year. Couple of good games,just not typical Spiel picks. I wonder what the underlying reason for this is...if any.
@roycebanuelos536
8 жыл бұрын
Ahhh the hats are taking over!!! Ha ha! Love the picks, looking forward to the winners :)
@gheilers
8 жыл бұрын
I have never understood the appeal of a beret. Isn't the main reason why one wears a hat...is to shade the eyes?
@Steve-L
8 жыл бұрын
I would think, a high rated reason is to keep warm, along with shading eyes.
@gheilers
8 жыл бұрын
Well, residing in Central Texas...I have never been able to grasp the concept of desiring "to keep warm"...lol. Winter coats, scarves, umbrellas...etc...are things most of us do not even OWN. :-)
@richardscales9560
8 жыл бұрын
Have only played Legacy, but feel it would be a deserved winner on the basis of the play experience.
@ilovecokeslurpees
8 жыл бұрын
Ummm... Pandemic lost to Dominion. Pandemic is a great game, but it is no Dominion. Dominion was cutting edge, spawned a successful sub-genre. Pandemic continued to popularize what was already there. Also, Dominion is much easier to get into and much more expansive. Sure it's themeless... which makes it the perfect euro Spiel winner.
@Steve-L
8 жыл бұрын
I got 1 out of 2 guesses correct. I guessed Isle of Skye and it won.
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
Pause at 12:42 and Healy looks like a poet in Paris pondering his next words.
@inhumanbookworm
8 жыл бұрын
If you would vote for Pandemic: Legacy would you also vote for Risk: Legacy? The addition of "legacy" adds to game experience for sure but it's still Pandemic and if it hadn't win when it was originally released then why award it now?
@TheMrE
8 жыл бұрын
Exactly for that reason: It makes a game that had been a contender even better, ergo, now it's the winner.
@Mark-sn6kh
8 жыл бұрын
Come on now... this doesn't even make sense.
@inhumanbookworm
8 жыл бұрын
OK, Catan won in 1995. Should Catan Geographies or Starfarers of Catan win again when they were released just because something new was added to the original game?
@TheMrE
8 жыл бұрын
+inhumanbookworm No, Catan already won. The award is intended as a recognition of excellence in game design, it already did that with Catan. Pandemic Legacy is a better game design than plain Pandemic, which hasn't won. This happened last year with Witches Brew vs Broom Service.
@inhumanbookworm
8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but Pandemic was already nominated to Spiel award and it didn't win then. Why would it win now? Nomination is also a recognition of excellence and if only one game a year can get an award then the worse for Pandemic. It had its chance, it missed it, move on.
@windbane69
8 жыл бұрын
Code Names hasn't done well with awards? What? It won best family game and best party game at dice tower con. Was it #2 for game of the year? I mean you can be #2 in other categories but winning those 2 is pretty good! It HAS been steam rolling awards, too.
@cursivecurses
8 жыл бұрын
yeah that comment was weird. Also, here it is not competinf against PL
@KabukiKid
8 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that Zee and Sam both dislike the game (Codenames) quite a bit.
@windbane69
8 жыл бұрын
+KabukiKid sure, but it's just not true that Codenames isn't winning awards. it's a whole different argument for how they can not like such a simple and brilliant concept. it's not perfect (initial down time for first clue), but you can play with nearly anything in a 5x6 grid. words, pictures, Board games.
@KabukiKid
8 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. It has been winning a ton of awards. They may just not be paying attention enough because of their distaste for it. Dunno. Regardless, it is a powerhouse of a game with a ton of appeal. It definitely appeals to me and my group. :-)
@windbane69
8 жыл бұрын
yeah, I've only seen 1 person not like it out of probably 30. Good to have an exchange with the guy that's on every live Q&A I watch and probably some I haven't seen yet, hah
@matpetheny
8 жыл бұрын
I gave this video thumbs up just after I saw you guys. ;)
@Straddllw
8 жыл бұрын
Well, at least for the main awards, one of them will be right.
@spiderfingers86
8 жыл бұрын
Elysium was nominated last year, I think
@BachateroZumba
8 жыл бұрын
Very schnazzy gents, very schnazzy :)
@spiderfingers86
8 жыл бұрын
Pandemic lost to Dominion back in 2009
@Mentat1231
8 жыл бұрын
Zee was right! Codenames got it.
@fromthesun3000
8 жыл бұрын
Really good analysis video guys!
@jeremysnyder8848
8 жыл бұрын
Nice hat, Tom.
@JohnCorley13
8 жыл бұрын
Zee was right
@CharlieNagoo
8 жыл бұрын
What's with the hats?
@KabukiKid
8 жыл бұрын
They are mental patients. lol ;-)
@romanbucek91
8 жыл бұрын
quite long video for what it is about
@mescaLEO
8 жыл бұрын
but it has good reasoning behind. Plus, you can keep it in the background while doing something else, as you don't really need to pay attention to the video part. :-)
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
+Leo T. (Leozz) Wise words
@romanbucek91
8 жыл бұрын
+smoothcriminal28 considering the winners not so wise
@bobgabriels8456
8 жыл бұрын
what's with the berets ?
@Steve-L
8 жыл бұрын
A "European" look, for a European award? My guess.
@TribulationsSolo
8 жыл бұрын
In this other hand, Sam Healey almost looks like a former "military advisor" by wearing it.
@CommanderGaming01
8 жыл бұрын
OMG SAM IS SO QT!!!! (cute)
@conillet
8 жыл бұрын
I find him annoying; he needs so many words to say so little.
@CommanderGaming01
8 жыл бұрын
HE IS CUTE WITH THAT HAT
@smoothcriminal28
8 жыл бұрын
+conillet Sammy can be a little rebel sometimes but Dice Tower wouldn't be the same without him. He gained my respect during the 24 gaming marathon from two years when he led the alreaady worn out and and morale-shot group into the next round of games. Without his strong leadership and seemingly unbeatable determination, the whole thing would have ended.
@CommanderGaming01
8 жыл бұрын
smoothcriminal28 Is that on this channel? Or can you link me? Title?
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