PART TWO of my discussions about drama & commentary channels. Share your thoughts!! TIME STAMPS BELOW: 0:00 - intro 1:23 - the pattern of drama coverage on youtube, using the Nikocado Avocado & Stephanie Soo situation as an example 1:42 - step 1) tea is spilled 2:20 - step 2) audience reactions & response videos 4:22 - step 3) tea channels reupload clips and receipts 4:54 - step 4) Person #2 responds 5:52 - step 5) more reactions, response videos, and drama recaps 8:22 - step 6) involved people continue to make response videos 8:38 - step 7) most viewers lose interest, but videos will still be made as long as some people will still watch 9:12 - we must re-examine if & how we interact with youtube drama 9:46 - sometimes dramatic situations contain important takeaways 10:49 - we can make larger points about the drama that happens online, rather than focusing on trivial details 12:18 - tbt to when I made the mistake of jumping on the bandwagon of "covering" the James Charles & Tati situation 13:13 - drama & commentary channels have a responsibility to admit when we are wrong 13:31 - are drama and commentary channels "journalists" ? 14:32 - the five core principles of journalism, and how they relate to youtubers 17:29 - are drama and commentary channels "bullying" ? 18:11 - remember when Jake Paul called Cody Ko a bully? 19:58 - my personal conflict in making videos about other youtubers 20:58 - just watch ContraPoints' video on Canceling, ok ??
@MsAidanbrown
4 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been this early, but your videos are so well thought out! Also, you’re burrito blanket is such a vibe
@riflebusters1
4 жыл бұрын
19 hours ago?
@Red-ce2jz
4 жыл бұрын
beasty rots scheduled uploads or something like that
@nicole-su8dl
4 жыл бұрын
you should watch a recap of nikocados response and stephanie’s full second response because (i love steph) and also the amount of evidence she has and the way she clearly responded is so satisfying.
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
@@riflebusters1 I upload unlisted, pay for captions, then let the video go public the next day!
@rockaubster
4 жыл бұрын
Criminology & psychology major here! There's a bias called "anchoring" where we rely on information we see/hear first to inform how we interpret other information or make decisions. There's a bunch of research about how this bias impacts us, but when it comes to these drama videos or channels I think that the emotion behind them and the details and "receipts" construct (or seem to construct) such a compelling narrative that the one we see first is (1) very convincing, and (2) what we will use to interpret related information and developments.
@Aceamzing
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a psych major and I was basically gonna leave this same comment haha.
@tanihehe
4 жыл бұрын
Thank GOD!! educated people understanding stuff makes me so happy, proves that education aint a waste of money even if its for understanding youtube😂😊😊😊because i guess thats life now, youtube😆
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
Yesss thank you for this!
@aleka..
4 жыл бұрын
@@Aceamzing +1
@km8649
4 жыл бұрын
Psych PhD here, and yes to all of this! Just to expand on this slightly, there’s a boatload of studies showing that’s it’s very hard to change people’s opinions once they’re convinced something is true. If someone already believes story A, if they hear evidence to support story B, this creates dissonance-and to resolve this, they will likely (a) discount that evidence as untrue, (b) spin the evidence so that it somehow supports story A, or (c) accept it’s true but determine that it doesn’t matter. People are more likely to do (d) change their mind and believe story B (or some mix of both stories) if they aren’t strongly anchored to the first story-but even if they do change their mind, effects of story A continue to linger (even if story A was never true!). Worst of all, (and this pertains perhaps more to fake news but still seems relevant here), even if people think something’s not true, if they repeatedly see headlines about it over and over again, they’ll start to think it must be true.
@serpenking
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure internet drama and "tea" is definitely toxic and awful but oh man, it's some prime entertainment watching rich influencers publicly eat each other alive in front of an audience. modern day gladiator shows
@christieveneti6750
4 жыл бұрын
Ironic how in the past poor enslaved people were forced to enter the arenas and it's the rich ones🧐
@martinaschiavolin1020
4 жыл бұрын
This is so true human nature is really strange
@special-jin4863
4 жыл бұрын
Fancy Snake exactly
@special-jin4863
4 жыл бұрын
Christie Veneti these people aren’t rich they’re broke af people TRYING to be rich, hence why they gossip and back stab in order to gain more internet market share. Real wealth people don’t have to do such petty things.
@PaolaTheTimeLord
4 жыл бұрын
it's like daytime tv gossip shows on crack with no restrictions
@LennyPepper
4 жыл бұрын
I’m a former journalist. As a first year reporter I broke a story about the chief of police and why he was fired. It was a big deal for me to make sure all my facts were correct. I don’t consider tea/drama/commentary videos as journalism. Keem Star is NOT a journalist, no matter what he says. Edit: I’ve been seeing this a lot where people say “unbiased opinion” or something and that’s inherently contradictory. An opinion can not be unbiased because it’s an opinion!!!!
@leilanidru7506
4 жыл бұрын
audrey thank you!💀 I’ve seen some people try to sit there and act like drama channels were on par with actual journalists. And are somehow gatekeepers of the community.
@MsJb1d
4 жыл бұрын
I am in school for journalism and I agree with you 100%. My professors are always stressing that a true journalist does not share opinions, only facts.
@moeezS
4 жыл бұрын
"unbiased opinion" is like when people say they want "objective" reviews lol
@eneyavorodecky
3 жыл бұрын
Omg, yes. I have had this discussion with so many ppl and it bothers me so much. You can TRY to do an unbiased analysis or listing the facts (even though even that can be biased unconsciously) but can't have an OPINION and still being unaffected.
@eneyavorodecky
3 жыл бұрын
@@MsJb1d unless it is an opinion peace, which is marked clearly as such...
@sophiabartolomeo6899
4 жыл бұрын
girl you're keeping us fed
@slowdancers
4 жыл бұрын
as a journalism major I can wholeheartedly agree with the core principles, it is necessary to keep them all in mind when being tasked to tell the news in a fair and honest fashion, especially considering the climate of news we all live in currently where the truth is a little hard to get to through all of the lies and misinformation being spread around quicker than the common cold in a packed room. so, yeah! thank you for talking about that and how misleading some drama/"tea" channels are being when saying that (not even Internet Today* does that, they specifically say they aren't the news and that just listening to them is Not A Good Thing) *highly recommend watching their videos, they're really good!
@palasiksivain
4 жыл бұрын
As someone who's been bullied for many many years at school, on the internet and basically everywhere you can face bullying, I'd like say a few words about what is classified as bullying. It's the deliberate action of doing harm to other people just to make them hurt, nothing more. People tend to throw the word around too much and in situations when there's literally no bullying present. That in itself is very harmful to the people who are actually being bullied. When we're classifying things like "That's Cringe" as bullying, literal vicmins of the hateful act get laughed at and their experiences as being bullied are disregarded and not taken seriously. Bullying is a serious problem, I've struggled my whole life with it and it has caused me mental health problems to say the least. This is why we really need to pay attention what we call bullying. The main point is that laughing at someone's ACTIONS isn't bullying, but belitteling someone AS A PERSON and laughing at THEM is what we can call bullying.
@kc_snails
4 жыл бұрын
Really appreciated your comparison of drama & tea channels to tabloids. It's interesting to think about how the obsession with sensationalism has carried over through the transition from traditional media to new media. Another great video, as always-here's an early congratulations for hitting 500k!!
@sheroval0562
4 жыл бұрын
As someone with a Journalism degree, the idea that “tea” channels are journalists is laughable. It’s honestly hilarious that some of these people actually take what they do THAT seriously. And one of the most important tenants of journalism is being completely neutral no matter the subject matter (unless you’re creating op-Ed type of content). But even with op-Ed’s, you typically need to do way more research than drama channels do. Interviewing is also a tenant in journalism. You’re supposed to at least try to get direct responses from both sides of the argument.
@user-uv6if1jb4f
4 жыл бұрын
This is totally unrelated - but you remind me of busy philipps when she was in white chicks haha
@jessloo5969
4 жыл бұрын
Omg you’re so right
@pauliinax3
4 жыл бұрын
100%
@moratalks6122
4 жыл бұрын
Wait I see it now and I really can't unsee it
@Angelica_Rodriguez39
4 жыл бұрын
J-school graduate here, and I appreciate you wanting to draw distinctions between actual journalism and drama channels
@ddre71194
4 жыл бұрын
"Who makes an 1h response video, how obnoxious is that?" *Sweats in contrapoints*
@SalimDoodles
4 жыл бұрын
I think there's a difference when your 1h response is to educate vs when it's to scream "I'M NOT SORRY" during the entirety of the video
@ddre71194
4 жыл бұрын
@@SalimDoodles oh I definitely agree. I think her latest video isnt the same as Nick's video. I had just recently watched her video before seeing this one and thought it was a funny coincidence. Definitely not meant to shade Contrapoints.
@SalimDoodles
4 жыл бұрын
@@ddre71194 you're right, thought it seems so many youtubers are making feature length videos as of lately 🤣 sorry if I came out as rude
@ddre71194
4 жыл бұрын
@@SalimDoodles nah, you're fine! I realize tone is hard to tell online.
@GaiusCassius15
4 жыл бұрын
ddre71194 contrapoints is special nick is.. I-
@ellamaria1552
4 жыл бұрын
Drama is such an easy thing to get lost in just like tv for example it’s a way to escape from your life escape from your personal drama also it’s sometimes comforting to see people you idolise not look perfect ya know I think that’s why drama is so popular
@jenniharrison6759
4 жыл бұрын
I've learnt so much about media and KZitem culture from your channel, your frank and honest tone is a breath of fresh air. Thanks dude!
@mj-yo7vt
4 жыл бұрын
The reason why people so easily jump on the train with #1 person is because we love victims. We love feeling bad for the innocent person especially if they seemingly have nothing to gain from the situation, we love to feel like we're companionate and we're on the side of justice.
@VOLAIRE
4 жыл бұрын
Being in a burrito blanket is such a mood
@mskleftwich
4 жыл бұрын
I watch way too much KZitem and yours is among a small group of channels that actually educate me. Thanks for what you do.
@becomealamp8905
4 жыл бұрын
you are so smart but polite, respectful but assertive, just found your channel today and already addicted
@libzk7754
4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad I found your channel! You’re doing great work, and I’m looking forward to learning a lot. Very interesting and informing videos. You deliver the learning with a fun and smart personality. Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best in your career moving forward! :)
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
Aww this is so sweet, thank you!
@blondefisk
4 жыл бұрын
I have just used your link from the last video to sign up for Blinkist and already addicted to it. What a fabulous resource. I appreciate that my ability to afford it is a privilege but I do hope that one day these caches of knowledge will be able to be publicly owned like local libraries. Thanks for the discount
@lauryntaylor64
4 жыл бұрын
I've got my coffee & snacks I am so ready for this
@sophiahallam3792
4 жыл бұрын
i discovered your channel towards the end of 2019 and i am so glad i did, i really enjoy ur content xx
@emilyh3863
4 жыл бұрын
Some unsolicited advice from a classical singer on how to keep your voice healthy! Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but my tutors and various professionals have told me that if you're speaking and singing in a healthy manner, your throat should never hurt, even after doing it for hours. What I've learned from them: 1. Stay hydrated. If you feel thirsty, your body has already been dehydrated for a long time. Don't let yourself get thirsty. 2. Don't scream, whisper, etc. Dynamic extremes can damage your voice. 3. Open your throat. This is the one I have the most trouble with, to the point that I have a dedicated 20-minute warmup specifically for throat-opening when I sing. I speak very forward in my mouth, which creates lots of tension in my throat. A simple exercise to encourage your throat to open is to start each day by speaking like Julia Child for 5-10 minutes. Julia Child's voice is the absolute extreme example of open-throated, back-of-the-throat speaking, as opposed to close-throated, forward-in-the-mouth. Don't speak a specific verse or anything, because if you, say, were to recite the Emancipation Proclamation every morning, you would only associate this open-throatedness with the Empancipation Proclamation. Eventually, your muscles will be taught to relax a little, and when you revert back to your normal speaking voice, you'll have less tension. I love your content. Take care of yourself!
@ione97
4 жыл бұрын
side note- this hair color and eyeshadow looks really good on you! makes your eyes pop
@micafrimpter2839
4 жыл бұрын
This channel is so respectful and it’s refreshing
@starylize
4 жыл бұрын
freshman journalism major here 🤠 those are pretty much the values we were taught first semester, we had an entire lecture on media ethics and media law. we constantly talked about the core principles of journalism, and in our major we will have an entire class about media ethics and law. :)
@britann9539
4 жыл бұрын
I thought you said, "my haters are starting to hiss" 😂 lol! That evoked some fun imagery in my head
@CamilleLouisa
4 жыл бұрын
Tiffany hitting all the good points once again
@brittanyrees9134
4 жыл бұрын
From my perspective as a journalist, drama channels (typically) have an over-simplified, under-developed idea of the news media. Yes, there are opinion pieces on news channels. However, that's a different vertical, a different timeslot, a different group of people who are not called reporters. For instance, a reporter delivering news does not share their opinion. After that news has been delivered, others may join in to discuss their expert opinions. However, the reporter almost never will. When a "tea spill" channel says "I'm just reporting the news" and then follows that up with rumors, subtweets, and personal insults, I get irrationally annoyed.
@brainfreeze4eva
4 жыл бұрын
I think it's Monica Lewinsky who has this great TED talk where she talks about how you don't need to join the pile on. I think one of the interesting aspects of 'drama channels' is how it's not just one person "spilling tea" but thousands who jump on the same bandwagon and feel compelled to share their opinion. I can imagine how someone on the butt end of that kind of coverage might be able to brush off one person spreading information about their life (true or not) but when it's thousands all jumping into the pile, that would really fuck you up! I think viral hashtags (#insertnameiscancelledparty) have made this phenomenon both ridiculously easy to access- both by those wanting to join the pile on, and the person on the receiving end of the hate to see this mass of hate in bulk. I think people don't realise that they don't have to pick a side. It's not as simple as if you don't join the pile on then you're somehow siding with the other person. Sure, people do shitty things, but is it really necessary to join the chorus of hate? Unsubscribe, unfollow, whatever if you want, but you don't have to tweet about it to make it a reality.
@Lunabyrd
4 жыл бұрын
As someone that took a few journalism courses(former communication major), though I was taught that I'm supposed to represent the facts from all sides to the best of my abilities, my professors emphasized how even when reporting the facts you can still be biased and skew things in the perspective you want.
@troybolton14
4 жыл бұрын
congrats on 500k!!! been here since like 2013 :))
@warriorcatskid003
4 жыл бұрын
Missed an opportunity to call this “The Tea on Tea”
@ntobekososibo2042
4 жыл бұрын
KZitem needs a Love button. Seriously. This video. The Drama Machine needs to go in for a service. She tired. The timelines in some of the dramas lately have been so short they've been confusingly obvious. I know maybe this is done for more people to "get it" but it ends up playing out worse than bad reality TV.
@heta4737
4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 500K! ❤️
@sunfl0wxr
4 жыл бұрын
THE TEA ON TEA 👏👏👏
@Blazegreg2005
4 жыл бұрын
"It gets very stale, it gets very repetitive" Thats EXACTLY how the Nik Vs Steph situation is. Hell, this is how 99% of all situations are! Like, after Day 2? I'm tired and stop caring
@yaraelshiay
3 жыл бұрын
I'm SO in LOVE with your hair!!
@meenamouse4397
4 жыл бұрын
no one has even finished the video by this point wow
@georgiigirl123321
4 жыл бұрын
i literally watched a drama video right after watching this 😂
@kristenbogdanoff2482
4 жыл бұрын
I love your channel girl :) so glad I found you
@unsourced7561
4 жыл бұрын
Contrapoints is the only person allowed to make an hour and a half video about drama
@martylovesu
4 жыл бұрын
are those ashley's enroute earrings? :o KZitemRS SUPPORTING KZitemRS YES PLS
@timlucasentertainment
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are the best!!!!!! I learn so much and enjoy
@ggobugi13
4 жыл бұрын
I'm sad that "canceling" has become what it is because originally, to cancel someone just meant to hold them accountable for their actions. People have since taken it a few steps further to, "Okay, this person did this. They're no longer allowed to grow from it or learn from it. They're CANCELLED and will forever live in that state!" because that's not how humans work, like, at all.
@viola8119
4 жыл бұрын
Tiffany, you're so close to 500k!!
@nicole-su8dl
4 жыл бұрын
the burrito blanket 😍
@ankitakuvalekar1200
4 жыл бұрын
About Cody and Noel. It's not because we like them. They are literally giving their reaction to the content. Their reaction happens to be laughing and cracking jokes - as is majority of ours. I don't think it's bullying at all. If you make cringey shit people are gonna make fun of it. That's what i feel. Great video btw.
@IBlameItOnMyYouth
4 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate how your makeup, hair and bedding are all the same color! the video is great as always but that's no surprise :D
@barranquillero2289
4 жыл бұрын
Commentary channel owners should at least worry about editing their videos. Some of them have the audacity to film themselves from their phones, with no editing, not a well-prepared script... Just them talking "crap" and yet they monetize them? Like seriously, at least put some good visuals, invest on the channel, make it appeal to the audience... The funiest thing is that they usually accumulates no more than 200K views, they don't grow. They simply wait for some tea to be spilled so they can "comment"... And I'm wondering where is the real content? Why should KZitem pay them for that?
@MicTimeWithMike
3 жыл бұрын
Like your format and approach. Subbed! ;-)
@aleka..
4 жыл бұрын
Please watch EssenceOfThought video*, about Contrapoints' one before deciding it's great. Natalie didn't show one important part of Tati describing J. Charles's problematic behavior. I was disappointed in her. Oh, well. Luckily, I don't have tendency to make idols... *Edit: or any other video that shows Tati describing what's problematic and why, if you don't want to watch EoT for whatever reason.
@al.the.
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I wouldn't know about it till I saw EoTs video. I don't follow dramas at all. Would have believed Natalie's framing...
@kittenswithbows
4 жыл бұрын
After the way Esence of thought treated Rachel Oats last year I wouldnt trust a word they say.
@al.the.
4 жыл бұрын
@@kittenswithbows so... you trusted Rachel Oats, and didn't watch EoTs account (with receipts) on that? 🤔 and here, it's not what EssenceOfThought said, but showed: what Tati said (EoT played video, as usual) and Contra ignored. Why do you trust yourself, with that kind of approach to finding what's true?
@aleka..
4 жыл бұрын
@@kittenswithbows what al the al said, also you don't need to go to suggested source to check if something person is claiming is true. You might find someone you don't think is biased (ie, you're not biased against) or find original. My suggestion was EoT, because a. I think it's well presented argument b. it's about deleted video, and he found and showed it. If you care, there is a way... Or you just wanted to comment that nonsense about EssenceOfThought?
@aleka..
4 жыл бұрын
@@kittenswithbows There, I edited original comment to add explicitly what should be understood... And I have to say existence of people like you is worrisome. You're falling for that _anchoring bias_ (explained in that much liked comment) so easily! No reservation and skepticism, I can see you being so easily manipulated... Please do better.
@christinacarlin48
4 жыл бұрын
I personally think just choosing one drama channel to watch when they upload is best. This will avoid just watching too much. Watching too many at a time will just make you feel gross and overwhelmed. But if you’re uninformed, and then fill yourself in that’s not great either. I personally watch Spill because even though it is a company it’s very well produced and covers all the big drama without repeating too much.
@RikodiusRex
Жыл бұрын
I watch them because I think its fascinating these people are somehow relevant enough to be someone that some other random people devote hours to in depth.
@maryannasnotes2406
4 жыл бұрын
We love a contrapoints plug :')
@clover5923
4 жыл бұрын
what I think commentaries are lacking is the higher message along the lines of what the drama is about. I have seen many commentaries say their opinion, with strong words if I may say, trying to correct these bad behaviours without truly addressing the more important phenomenas and issues. For example, I just saw a video of Repzion getting extremely offended by a youtuber called Milo who uploaded a video stating that whenever teens turn to their legal age (18), men and/or women bounce at them thinking that this is legal and it is right. Now, Repzion would say that this is a biased perspective. But if you want to look at it in a sociological point of view, and you are a commentator, why not ask these more deep profound questions such as: 1. How did people suddenly switch their brains from backing off on an attractive person to lunging at them as soon as they turn of legal age? 2. Where is the line between being moral versus following the rules that are not always as accurate as they may seem? For example, an 18 year old might have already turned 18, but perhaps their psychological state is not of an adult. True, they may be able to satisfy society with work, being able to drive, being able to know what is right or wrong yet their emotional state might not be mature like their physical state. so is an 18 year old who has emotional immaturity be wholely called an adult? 3. What is adulthood anyway? and how do you know relationships between two people are equal in all terms? these are just some questions that might be philosophical and sociological, yet it opens up conversations that are the reflections of the backbone of our society. Every commentator comments about bad behaviours, yet only a few actually try to understand and reveal the patterns of our brains and why we do what we do. just my take. if you wanna be a commentator, dont just spill, rather... Educate.
@SincerelyLASMR
4 жыл бұрын
I love your channel. You could literally talk about anything I would just listen like 😍🤩😍🤩
@markboron5581
4 жыл бұрын
The fact that you as a creator admitted you were wrong and too quick to come out with a video speaks volummeesss about your integrity on this platform. Thank you for being real and honest, as always :)
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m far from perfect but I try!!
@MidnightMoonProductions
4 жыл бұрын
That's absolutely amazing to see such high-quality content from such a high-quality person!
@LukeAlexander
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of channels mainly care about making a quick buck instead of waiting to make a well informed judgement
@koralcathleen
4 жыл бұрын
Luke Alexander hi Luke!! I love your channel 💕
@ejojpeg
4 жыл бұрын
I love your channel ❤
@carryon5021
4 жыл бұрын
You have great channel too, keep up the work!
@victorr_______
4 жыл бұрын
And thats what she just said lol
@jethroteece4750
3 жыл бұрын
You're one of them
@kbean23
4 жыл бұрын
"i couldn't be bothered to fix my bangs and i'm wearing a burrito blanket" what a mood
@meritxelllluisgumiel8934
4 жыл бұрын
I want that on a t-shirt
@thenorthstarlet5297
4 жыл бұрын
And sometimes, when there’s too much drama on KZitem, all you gotta do is.... walk aWaAaAaAaAaAy!
@PaolaTheTimeLord
4 жыл бұрын
LMAO I FORGOT THAT VINE EXISTED FOR A FAT SECOND 😂
@nothin6962
4 жыл бұрын
vine wouldn’t treat us this way
@anonymous92388
4 жыл бұрын
Vine really ages like wine.
@Housewarmin
4 жыл бұрын
I know you said your bed is paisley print, but I cant unsee the whales.
@gemstone349
4 жыл бұрын
SAME and honestly I don't want to
@nayomiknapple1629
4 жыл бұрын
Sincerely Eccentric personally I thought that she bought like a vineyard vines bed set lol
@ballaurina8367
4 жыл бұрын
Its foxes! And I refuse to accept that its anything different
@juliadandy6019
4 жыл бұрын
Tiffany should launch a whale bed collection merch 😂
@jabreakitjubawit997
4 жыл бұрын
Sincerely Eccentric I see the whales too
@girlfrommetro
4 жыл бұрын
this eyeshadow color compliments your eyes so much!
@atrapdr6251
4 жыл бұрын
It really does bring out her eyes. I dunno of its just me but she looks so much tanner than usual
@elliegriffin8972
4 жыл бұрын
@@atrapdr6251 it's probably because she's using warmer colors for her eyeshadow makeup. Either way she looks great!
@babycakes1234
4 жыл бұрын
The onision drama I’m paying attention to atm cause Chris Hansen from To Catch A Predator is investigating him hahahaha
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
SAME THOUGH
@karoline9835
4 жыл бұрын
if you’re on reddit r/onisionisamassivecuck is fking hilarious
@alexmrocks10
4 жыл бұрын
Im sorry, I wouldn't call that drama though. He's literally abusing women, young girls and possibly even his own children. I see that as much worse than "internet drama". He's a criminal.
@amyg8176
4 жыл бұрын
BabyCakes123 is that onion boy? I have been on the internet for a long time and I see the name sometimes but haven’t heard anything more about him. What’d he do? Be a predator I guess lol
@MaddieMaddocks
4 жыл бұрын
@@alicelemieux531 Oh shit really? Yikes.
@amystoddard9011
4 жыл бұрын
‘We like critical thinking baby’ merch please
@breem2446
4 жыл бұрын
And on the back: "Just try to make your constructive criticism...constructive. Duh."
@graciemartin4206
4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes please!!!
@graciemartin4206
4 жыл бұрын
Like a big over sized jumper!
@weatherby551
4 жыл бұрын
#wouldbuy
@dragonaise2417
4 жыл бұрын
yes please
@khadijahadnan9700
4 жыл бұрын
hello just wanted to say how much i admire you and how much i enjoy the topics you pick and the way you dissect them with such decisiveness but still fair, im a new subscriber and its a really nice change to see a women make these type of vids!
if she ever made merch, this should definitely be on a tshirt or something
@mariapazgonzalezlesme
4 жыл бұрын
@@veemr4877 Or a burrito blanket.
@annmaryeldo6571
3 жыл бұрын
why does that sound like "epiphany"?
@tanihehe
4 жыл бұрын
As soon as this video started i saw you and was like "is she having a breakdown like them?" 😂 Also THANK YOU for putting contrapoint's video about cancelling as a reference after everything she's been through. Cancel culture is toxic but necessary, just like anything else. But Excess of anything is also unhealthy.
@Livingeidolon
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm broken inside, but whenever I see a KZitemr crying on camera about another KZitemr, I automatically think that it's a grab for veiws and that both sides are in on it.
@raeeliza5398
4 жыл бұрын
same I dont trust youtubers who cry on camera and dont edit it out for the whole internet to see and put them crying as the thumbnail. It just screams "cash grab" through sympathy.
@Unkuuu
4 жыл бұрын
i watched the girl on the thumbnail’s video and immediately thought what she was saying was greatly exaggerated and fake. That video was promoted heavy by KZitem. I honestly didn’t believe her. Sorry. Complete Adsense money grab.
@Lacieyl
4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you’re broken inside - I think you’re having the correct response. And honestly it’s good that more people are feeling this way because this fake crying is way too effective as a low effort marketing tool.
@SakuraHanora
4 жыл бұрын
At the same time it's pretty shitty if the person is genuinely upset and there's an audience so jaded they think you're doing it for attention. I'm not blaming you but it's broken both ways.
@antonsummers_
4 жыл бұрын
@@Unkuuu It did happen though, there are some videos, texts and photos that back up what happened as well as the third person that was there agreeing.
@katie
4 жыл бұрын
Just speaking to the bullying vs critiquing piece - I do think its important to consider the power imbalance between a huge youtuber with millions of subscribers and the potentially smaller creator they are making fun of. It's not the act of laughing about the content itself - to me its about the fallout that can happen when a huge creator sends their hoards of fans to go and attack whoever they were making fun of. Like, this happens anytime a Kardashian responds to a tweet they don't like - you might as well delete your account if this happens to you
@harrisonkendall2883
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this “drama” issue is not only prevalent on KZitem but also in our political system. Large new organizations like CNN, Fox, etc. follow similar patterns to those discussed in this video. In addition, they have 24 hours to cover it! Imagine how much money all of these organizations have made in the past 5 years covering somewhat trivial issues and picking them apart without any hint of journalism (from both the left and the right!) Interesting to consider the human nature that makes drama so profitable.
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
Good point!! The 24 hour news cycle has been the worst.
@Gee-xb7rt
4 жыл бұрын
A month late but any network "news" is considered entertainment, and the FCC doesn't license or regulate them. The FCC also doesn't deal with anything on the internet. This is really most problematic as corporations have swooped up everything, moving it all outside of FCC jurisdiction.
@KR-ue1gd
4 жыл бұрын
Re: the question of likable bullies, I think of The Office (US version). In the episode Classy Christmas (season 7, ep. 11/12), Dwight, a pretty unstable and socially clueless character, takes epic revenge on Jim, the likeable audience-insert character, for all of Jim's previous pranking. Now, Jim's pranks are hilarious (for the audience), but they always truly upset Dwight. When we laugh at Jim's pranks, we laugh at Dwight's discomfort. So Jim's pranking is bullying, especially because Jim is popular and Dwight is not. Isn't that the classic set-up? Popular kid makes fun of loser? In Episode 1 of the series, when Dwight complains that Jim has put his stapler in jello "again", why do we not see right away that Jim is being a bully? Because Jim is charming. But if Jim were also kind, he'd see that Dwight wasn't having fun with the pranks, and he would stop. Yet, when I talk to people about their reactions to the Classy Christmas episode, they don't see Dwight's behavior as justified, or even as the inevitable snap of an unbalanced person after years of persecution. They see Jim as a victim of Dwight's terrible social skills: Dwight is at fault both for not knowing "how to take a joke" when he's the victim and for "taking a prank too far" when he's the perpetrator. What's especially interesting about this dynamic is the possibility that many bullies may not know that they're bullies, because they don't mean harm, or don't get negative feedback from anyone except the "loser" who "just can't take a joke". Popular KZitemrs chasing views and ad revenue might not feel very powerful, but their videos making fun of others still get millions of views, and that is power. Bullying when you don't mean to bully could happen.
@nomusicnecessary
4 жыл бұрын
This is such an insightful comment, and something I think should get more responses here! This dynamic makes it more clear to me why I don't really enjoy or understand the humor of The Office
@johnwalker1058
4 жыл бұрын
@@nomusicnecessary For me, insights like this explain why I sometimes felt uncomfortable at the 'humor' of The Big Bang Theory. Pop Culture Detective on KZitem does an interesting take on how some of this bullying applies in that show.
@ArielLVT
3 жыл бұрын
This is a quality, A+ comment. Thank you so much for writing it out.
@mojojojo3212
3 жыл бұрын
Fr I found myself disliking Jim in the earlier seasons when I rewatched them bc he just came off mean. And in that Christmas episode I’m pretty sure Jim just got a snowball and threw it at Dwight instead of doing an elaborate prank making him more of a bully
@wendywinger7169
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment. Yes, Jim is such a bully, yet people often deny it because when he is compared to other people, he looks normal along with Pam. For example, Dwight might be a weirdo but he doesn't try to harm anyone, he even tries to protect people even though the way he chooses might be wrong. On the other hand if you compare Jim and Michael, they are technically both the same. Their jokes make someone uncomfortable but Michael doesn't aware how he makes people uncomfortable or doesn't get the social clues. Yet, Jim is aware these social clues and he still "pranks" Dwight because he doesn't respect him, or simply being different from others and tbh Dwight is easy to pick on. And Jim likes that attention if you think that's essentially builded a relationship with Pam too.
@larissafalavigna
4 жыл бұрын
As a fellow girl with bangs I’d like to say: totally feel you not wanting to fix them :)
@beverycarefuljohn586
4 жыл бұрын
That earring looks like bestdresseds design. Is it? 😍
@salammansour6691
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it is
@tombraiderAOD
4 жыл бұрын
I noticed as well! Legends supporting legends
@millminn
4 жыл бұрын
she talks about ashley a lot
@imaneeadisa2433
4 жыл бұрын
Just what I was thinking too
@MapleMilk
4 жыл бұрын
I miss when "response videos" were just called "video responses" They're meant to go directly to the person in response to a video they directly made and not some dramatic shit It really hit me they were gone when Black Nerd stopped putting them at the end of his outros
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
I miss video responses too!
@drsalka
4 жыл бұрын
We are in the age of the spectacle so anything less jarring/dramatic doesnt even register in the minds of many.
@TimeBunny
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s a shame that video responses were removed before I started to upload. It would’ve been a handy feature to have for certain videos I’ve made in the past.
@noel090909
4 жыл бұрын
All of the “tea”/drama channels make me uncomfortable. I understand their place on the platform, but I don’t like them. I don’t like the idea of discussing someone, talking about things that perhaps are real and VERY serious for them, all the while referring to those serious topics as “tea”. Like what’s going on with Onision right now? I hope that isn’t being called “tea”. It minimizes what is, in that case, allegations of very serious crimes. Maybe I’m being too sensitive about this. I’ll admit I’ve never watched a video by one of these tea channels, so I’m happy to be corrected and educated by someone who has. I just find the whole idea pretty toxic.
@beetlebum262
4 жыл бұрын
noel090909 I agree wholeheartedly. We need to specify what’s ‘tea’ and what’s something genuinely serious. Both can and should be discussed in my opinion, but referring to every piece of drama as tea is extremely toxic. Putting things as serious as the Onision situation and things a minuscule Trisha Paytas not liking Gabbie Hanna under the same umbrella makes the serious things more petty. People usually won’t listen to serious things on KZitem because of the platforms reputation. Labeling it as tea is only going to worsen things. If people actually wanted to bring situations in to the light and give justice to those who were wronged, they wouldn’t jump on the gun to make a video about the first piece of information that came out.
@willowway42
4 жыл бұрын
I think this is called being a decent person 😏👍
@kerycktotebag8164
4 жыл бұрын
Tea originally meant personal stuff going on in someone's life and circles, but idk if it meant only casual gossip or if it also included serious issues/traumas /etc. I think it meant both, but hearing "tea" used for casual gossip a lot does probably mean that the connotation has shifted to casual rather than serious.
@noel090909
4 жыл бұрын
Mori Totebag Thank you for providing that context. I obviously have my own biases, but it’s clear to me that gossip about an individual can be about anything, serious or silly. I still think I basically agree with the above comment from Jon that perhaps a different word should be used in more serious circumstances, but maybe I’ll be able to see “tea” with some more nuance now. So thanks! :)
@electraheart3868
4 жыл бұрын
To me it's just pathetic how people feed on other people's lives. They sit there waiting on devices waiting for "tea" just to watch the video and then sit there for hours editing a video to upload. Like how sad can your life be...
@SebastianCastro
4 жыл бұрын
I'm happy you gave a shout out to ContraPoint's Cancel Culture vid. It's a pretty good nose dive into the best and worst of Cancel Culture.
@tippizippi7246
2 жыл бұрын
Contra Points loved Cancel Culture until the day she got canceled. lol
@offbeatkiki
4 жыл бұрын
It's an actual burrito blanket to burrito oneself in. That's incredible. I need it. Okay, I'll focus on the video now.
@impanduhhh6860
4 жыл бұрын
Spilling the tea on spilling the tea
@the.time.crystal
4 жыл бұрын
someone who has had a lot of journalism, even if i am in norway lmao, i'd definitely say the five points of journalism is very correct. the bias thing is very true, we've always been told we're going into this objectively and just reporting the news, not trying to put our own opinion into the work. we may chose sources based on our opinions, but a good journalist (as far as i have learned, of course) retell the story with no or as little bias as possible.
@PaolaTheTimeLord
4 жыл бұрын
yes!!!! if you're too emotionally invested in what you're covering you should give it someone else
@whatever.1765
4 жыл бұрын
A fellow Norwegian Tiffany fan I see :)
@elin6143
4 жыл бұрын
@@whatever.1765 same here!
@annasolya1765
4 жыл бұрын
A Hungarian journalist, Gergő Szirmai once said 'The only objective thing you have is on your camera.' you can't be completely objective because there's no such thing but we have to come as close to it as possible.
@the.time.crystal
4 жыл бұрын
@@annasolya1765 i have just learned that you are supposed to be as objective as you can. of course no one is 100% objective!
@rachelalazar5897
4 жыл бұрын
I love how every time I watch your videos your voice is the sound and tone of an academic but the topic is completely opposite
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
MY BRAND!
@iylishr9756
4 жыл бұрын
i dunno, anything can be an academic topic if you approach it academically. Social media literacy is going to be an academic field, if it's not already.
@fatimahrahman2534
4 жыл бұрын
honestly need you as a teacher, you would be such a good one, love the way your present and talk is so nice and soothing .thanks for these vids
@ladybird5000
4 жыл бұрын
you're so wholesome and well spoken and smart, your content is literally *chef's kiss*
@dylanrodrigues
4 жыл бұрын
About a girl&the world every time I see chef's kiss all I can hear is Danny Gonzalez making the noises from his Yummy music video
@slowdancers
4 жыл бұрын
honestly, Philip DeFranco is the KZitem version of E!News to me, but without the constant ADs in between and wannabe attempts at being the hipper and cooler version of Today or GMA
@alvinanis3006
4 жыл бұрын
"Some men just want to watch the world burn" -Basically me watching KZitem drama for entertainment...
@gend.107
4 жыл бұрын
I don't really like "tea" as it always has such negativity around it and using it as a way to get views. Personally I believe that if 2 people have a problem with one another, keep it between yourselves and find a middle ground. To milk this drama out is so dumb to me. P.S. I took a journalism class last semester and definitely cannot be journalism when it comes to "tea" channels. There's so many small things and processes when it comes to reported the news that "tea" channels probably couldn't abide by due to the way "tea" is. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say! Great video!
@newrin2yume
4 жыл бұрын
I think the Dobre Bros challenged Cody Ko to a fight because they felt like he was bullying them or smth lol
@Red-ce2jz
4 жыл бұрын
I think most of the time it’s necessary to keep shit offline because people will completely manipulate anything you say to put themselves at an advantadge but I mean if it’s someone who’s literally a danger to others it is necessary to eXpOsE it honestly I’ve stopped watching tea channels etc (unless u count as a tea channel) cuz it’s so easy to manipulate really anything that people say depending on who they are biased toward.
@Abby-yl3nv
4 жыл бұрын
17:21 Tiffany gave youtubers the uncle Ben speech and ya know what, she's right!
@tiffanyferg
4 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA had to do it
@leapimentajohannsen8809
4 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video about clickbait???? and then make the thumbnail and title something clickbait like: "I bought a 100.000 dollar birkin bag" or something like that. LOve your vids and I'm always excited to watch your new videos.
@ughrowie
4 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@Amy-G-Dala-
4 жыл бұрын
Usually videos that are exactly 10 mins are also cash grabs
@omgsquid
4 жыл бұрын
re: why we usually side with the person who broke the story first, I forget what the phenomenon is called but its also observed in journalism where there's more pressure and emphasis on being the first to break the story rather than to wait and have the most factually accurate story because people tend to only remember the first perspective they hear about something rather than any of the amendments to the story that may come later and actually represent the reality of the situation / reflect the truth better
@thymeandahalf2163
4 жыл бұрын
It worked in every big youtube drama so far. If you're the first person to call someone a manipulative liar, the other person is already at a severe disadvantage to be believed, whether what they say is true or not. Not every one tunes in to response videos either, worse of all they might get condensed biased information from tea channels who are not just biased but can also omit details crucial to the story.
@amira2148
4 жыл бұрын
thymeandahalf so true! Just take the big james charles drama for example, even if he proved that tati was wrong in every point ppl still call him a predator and everything bc shes the one who talked first..so crazy
@kendallnorton2017
4 жыл бұрын
Burrito Tiffany dragging Onionboy gives me life 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@brynnmcdonnell2260
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite youtube drama was when Jenna and Julien got Bunny
@PaperParade
4 жыл бұрын
I'm a journalist minor and the more I learn, the more I'm shocked at how much we've failed to keep up standards.
@MushroomReaper
4 жыл бұрын
My favorite type of drama is “gaming drama” because typically it’s a big corporation being super scummy.
@ceci7783
4 жыл бұрын
trueeee "gaming drama" = EA not paying their employees enough
@shan9659
4 жыл бұрын
“Today I couldn’t be bothered to fix my bangs” girl me we bringin that Elvis Presley look BACK
@Lostinmyhead23
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately a lot of these tea channels are followed by young impressionable children/pre-teens who can’t think for themselves. I’ll be dammed if grown adults are being this easily manipulated on the internet. There’s three sides to every story; your truth, their truth and THE TRUTH! I always wait to listen to both sides before making a stance on anything unless it has to do with racism there’s really no excuse for that.
@inikanicholls6801
4 жыл бұрын
RANT ABOUT CANCEL CULTURE Honestly, we as an online audience, as the 'viewers' or 'fans' have become so obsessed with cancelling. Cancel culture started off as calling out people for serious issues, for example Harvey Weinstein and the #metoo movement. (This is quite a recent example i'm sure there are older ones). This 'calling out' as such initially seemed to bring people like Weinstein to justice, which seems like a good thing, right? But this has evolved so much that we have started to call people out for minuscule things, like grammar mistakes, or even deviating from what people have said and trying to cancel them based on our own assumptions, which are often wrong. It seems that our society almost finds joy in picking at others mistakes, and that we gain a hero complex when we call someone out. When we do it, we are basically saying "ha! You made this mistake and you are wrong and I am right" , we take small mistakes and over exaggerate them until our accusations are so loosely based on the cancel 'victims' actions it's almost stupid to try and call them out. We've forgotten why cancel culture started, and are rather using it to fuel our own egos as we continually seek to drag people through the dirt for the smallest of mistakes. Sorry for this messy rant lol x
@leahacevedo450
3 жыл бұрын
I think in particular the dramagedon (involving Jeffree star, Manny MUA, and Laura Lee if you remember that) Was the first time people realized that it was funny and entertaining to watch huge creators fall from grace, be humiliated, and make fools of themselves. The youtube crowds morbidly enjoyed these people's suffering and humiliation, much like bullies. EXCEPT, they weren't picking on tiny helpless nerds, they were picking on the popular people. Except it wasn't 'bullying' it was retribution for their mistakes. I think this is a major reason that KZitem crowds won't except any apology they will always claim its insincere because it is more fun to shit ok someone and laugh at them, then fix the problems and move on. I do think these aggressive gossipers are jealous. They want to be the queen bee so bad they are just waiting for the currently popular youtubers to make mistakes so that they can rally everyone onto their side and profit off of this person misstep. While continuing to kick then down. It so cowardly, they don't show their face, they hid behind the crowd that they influence, and an alias. And then isolate and group torment a single person, sometimes to the tune of millions of people. And the crowd that is clearly bullying in groups (bullies mostly move in crowds because they are actually cowards that only care about preserving themselves) feels like they are 'holding them accountable' or in other it fair or its retribution they deserve it, "it's totally fine that I totally lack integrity in my actions and am overtly cruel" the cancel people say to themselves. The weirdest part to me, that is seems like everyone in the cancel culture/tea/gossip/mob/which hunt/punisher camp is whatever they accuse the person they are "holding accountable" they do they same thing or worse, or the very worst is they are seriously projecting. It puts people in a pressure cooker, their every action interpreted as inherently evil and blown up to colossal propostion and yet another reason to send endless hate to them. It is just people watching their every move waiting for a mistake to milk. And then the tea channels play the victim, then the person reacts. Why is she angry? Cause you are mentally abusing her!!! Man this whole thing is sick. The tea, gossip, tabloid, cowards are disgusting bullies, manipulative humans, with a victim and self righteous holier than thou complex. The people getting attacked rarely do anything so wrong that they deserve the mental abuse that they receive.
@Aratovi
4 жыл бұрын
When the youtube drama-channel is so irellevant that you never heard of nicocado avokado
@mildlyhappyface
4 жыл бұрын
Truth bias. We're instinctually inclined to assume others are not lying. There's a revisionist history episode that covers it. It's like the third chapter or something of the talking to strangers book
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