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@BrianLarney
Жыл бұрын
"Artists must have at least 5,000 streams in the past 28 days, or at least 1,000 followers, in a country that campaigns can target."
@naveedahmedny
Жыл бұрын
This Discovery Mode seems a lot less like a scam given that it takes 30% of the royalties only for streams generated *by the campaign(s)*, as opposed to just taking 30% of whatever the song generates in perpetuity. Also comforting that you can opt out month by month. At that point, seems pretty low risk The longer-term implication of this system is kinda scary. This could quickly become a situation where Spotify’s regular algorithm is going to be less rewarding for artists and we’re pretty much forced to run Discovery mode if we want any shot at gaining algorithmic traffic to our music. On the real world side, are Spotify monthly listeners and similar stats going to become less meaningful? If it’s going to now be “easier” to get your listeners up, are certain benchmarks going to be less impressive? Food for thought
@BrickAndMortar
Жыл бұрын
You’re totally right I’ll tell you this. I’m in discovery mode right now with two of my distributors but the songs I have on a major are not in there. I was told by somebody who works at the label that the parent company refuses to participate.
@ootomusic
Жыл бұрын
How are you liking discovery? Do you mind sharing before and after as well as your genre?
@BrickAndMortar
Жыл бұрын
@@ootomusic I actually emailed Tunecore explain how many listeners I have I have around 780,000 monthly listeners and I asked if there is any representative from tunecore, that could help me sign up for Spotify discovery mode. I actually use chat GPT to write the email they forwarded me to the representative. And I signed up for it previously to this my distributor believe music automatically signed me up for it without my knowledge when I saw a lift in streams I asked him what was going on and they told me it’s from discovery mode.
@ootomusic
Жыл бұрын
@@BrickAndMortar thank you for your response. keep following your passions. 🙏🏾
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Crazy
@BrickAndMortar
Жыл бұрын
@@TheEndless560 I mean i have been signed and dropped . Spotify has been better to me than any label or the label system of waiting for someone to “choose” you. Big money doesn’t care about bands trying to make it from my experience. At least Spotify has an interest in keeping new music in peoples ears.
@CtoGuantanamo
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jesse, Ulises from B'lyn here. :-) I'm dying to get on Discovery Mode. I've always noticed people have an instant positive reaction to our recorded catalog. I have almost 2K listeners a month and now have 11 great well-produced tracks on Spotify. I wonder if I'll be invited to do Discovery mode now that I just released another great track last Friday (2/24). I've been implementing lots of what you suggest and the needle IS moving for me. Thanks. I've heard that Discovery works on a mid-month basis and people are asked to respond to their invite by the 15th of the following month. Also, does it become available under the campaigns tab? Thanks again for this and all your videos, Jesse!
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
You reply by the 11th I believe
@starboyshika
Жыл бұрын
I don’t see the harm in this. You’re getting 70% royalties but it only takes effect on the plays that you wouldn’t have received anyway. I‘d say this is a win for artists until everyone starts using it then we’re just back to where we were before EDIT nvm I have been convinced this is a shitty move L Spotify
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Its just really shady and unethical
@iamshaneofficial9888
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, plus if the song is good enough they should play it again in the future and the artist gets 100% of that
@starboyshika
Жыл бұрын
@@TheEndless560 I totally see what ur saying. Once everyone starts using it, the discover plays are really just gonna be taking the place of what would be our regular algorithmic plays. Once everyone has discovery mode, no one has discovery mode, and we’re gonna be forced to use it and take that pay cut or else we give up our chance with the algorithm completely. agree with you 100%
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
My bet is congress actually is who Fuck’s them for this
@kaitlyn6021
Жыл бұрын
Surprised no one has pointed out your shirt yet! I had to double check to make sure it was what I thought it was-Excellent taste.
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
ES forever
@Narovski
Жыл бұрын
Dude your audio is clipping on left ear
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
I added one dumb plugin on the last pass and missed this. I am a fool but I live and learn
@Suckmyfreckles
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation I got you a like bro 💯
@Narovski
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation stay hungry stay foolish!
@tidalwave_music
Жыл бұрын
I just got Discovery mode available today? Should I literally use it for all my songs? Currently Spotify offered me 15 and a couple of them are odd choices tbh
@secretarchivesofthevatican
Жыл бұрын
Is there a threshold that is identifiable where the drop in payments is less than the additional streams earned? Could it be that it's only worth it if you generally get above a certain amount of streams?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Not really?
@TrentonFletcherMusic
Жыл бұрын
I had a buddy with 550k monthly listeners opt in for February and is now at 830k to end the campaign. He told me about it, I submitted the form and it was made available for me after that weekend. My campaign starts March 1st for 3 songs and I’m currently at 10,250 monthly listeners. VERY interested to see the results. I believe the popularity scores for these 3 songs are between 25-300 currently. One had made Fresh Finds Country back in October.
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@joeymoto108
Жыл бұрын
How's it been going for you so far? I'm working with someone who started on March 1st with 11 songs- daily radio plays for each of these songs (bar one) has increased anywhere from 100% to 500% so far and seems to still be growing. Their biggest song is actually coming down(?!) on radio plays though (even though this is on discovery mode), was getting 1k radio streams per day at one point, now only 300 or so, so monthly listeners so far has 'only' been from 25k -> 27k in 3 days. Curious to compare results.
@joeymoto108
Жыл бұрын
I also know another artist who got into discovery mode in December last year with 6 songs, went from 400k to 1.4 mil because of discovery mode. Growth has slowed but still seems to be growing.
@joeymoto108
Жыл бұрын
Sucks that the Spotify game is becoming so rigged with their algorithmic pushing- artists on Discovery Mode are essentially succeeding at the expense of the other artists. Think about it, if an artist who should be next on the radio playlist is bumped down a few rungs to make way for discovery mode artists, the discovery mode artist is essentially taking streams away from the non-discovery mode artists. The real winners here though are Spotify, it just means they're paying less overall for algorithmic plays on their platform.
@BobbyCrane
Жыл бұрын
Hey Trent, where is the option to do this?
@myfriendstutta
Жыл бұрын
It’s a good day when jesse uploads
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
🕺
@xxGAMINGxxXpertXX
Жыл бұрын
Hey bro! So ive been pitching to indie playlists trying to build relationships like you mention but almost every single time i get a response its "just click this link and pay for a submission, heres my discount code". What do you reccomend i do about this? Pay them or keep grinding out and contacting?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
If its pay for consideration sure, if its pay for placement skip it
@CommissionerLofi
Жыл бұрын
I'm fine with this deal. It's something you have to do because your competition is using. And builds up a moat against those not doing it.
@redcurrantrecords
Жыл бұрын
I noticed this on the Gyrostream dashboard, a small Australian distributor, have switch it on for one track, so will see how it goes.
@tskolits
Жыл бұрын
Again, great content! Thanks for the research! I appreciate it!
@DavidHKMusic
Жыл бұрын
This is fuggin ridiculous! I went in the SFA to look for Discovery Mode me I found out that that the eligibility requirements are even higher than Marquee. 20,000 monthly listeners? Aren’t these tools supposed to help you get there in the first place!?!
@Ristlynn
Жыл бұрын
Also thanks for your jokes! Please keep them coming. They are gold. 😂
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
😎
@JEiidalereplay
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info jesse! I will def try this one out and see what results brings me 🔥🔥🙏🏼🔄
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
You got this!
@Barncore
Жыл бұрын
How do you access it? I loaded my Spotify For Artists profile but i don't see it
@MrJulz
Жыл бұрын
You need to request it
@NexusLives
Жыл бұрын
Dang, Interesting info. Now, to have music resonate enough to even get to use it. Still working on getting enough momentum to take advantage of Marquee Campaigns. It's like Thumbelina, down here, except that chick grew some wings. 🤣
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
lol
@cruzpatterson
Жыл бұрын
How do you enable it though?
@fnord_lander
Жыл бұрын
😅 I won’t even qualify to participate soooooo I feel like the initial boost it’s giving artists will become the new norm Kinda like how a lot of social media starts with good organic reach and then ads can give you the extra boost so everyone starts doing it so now you have to pay just to get the reach you had before Hell some platforms you even have to pay just to reach more of your own followers
@jacksonbrock2535
Жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on what types of viral content will blow up songs using TikTok/Reels? love ur channel man
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Head to the channel page go to the guides column watch the one on TikTok. My next video also talks a lot about this
@TheNightdiver
Жыл бұрын
2:50 LOL, best comedy moment in the channel so far
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
LOL hell yeah
@crushicon7187
Жыл бұрын
Love your content bro you keep me going ! Remember this post !
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
hell yeah
@trentb1511
Жыл бұрын
It's 30%, only while in discovery mode, correct?
@Pandhora
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@trentb1511
Жыл бұрын
@@Pandhora Ok Thanks
@kahyui2486
Жыл бұрын
4:50 what was the name of that union? "Merwin"?
@Gamingwithdes23
Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to try it out. But I can’t figure out how to activate it.
@theboy.2912
Жыл бұрын
Your Selected distributor will eventually introduce it if they haven't already I use TuneCore and it's called "TuneCore Accelerator".
@Gamingwithdes23
Жыл бұрын
@@theboy.2912 thanks ! I appreciate it
@arondeemusic
Жыл бұрын
@@Gamingwithdes23 what did the other comment say? I can't see it 😭 do you know how to activate it?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Click campaigns under Spotify for artists if it’s available for you it’s there
@andrewg5639
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation So is this only available for people in the US? Apparently you need a US billing address to eve access the campaigns feature
@anndynegative
Жыл бұрын
I think you and the barista could really make it
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Your faith means everything Anddy
@matclark.
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jesse!
@chueki5874
Жыл бұрын
To be honest I make so little money and don't get a lot of streams so it's not bad for me
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Largely the case
@chueki5874
Жыл бұрын
Sadly even though I do distribute my music with distrokid, I don't see the option to enter discovery mode. Might be because I'm from Mexico
@nickperez2662
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the always straight forward info Jesse
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
hell yeah
@SiNo_Eval
Жыл бұрын
i listen to most of your videos when i dont have free time an be work on other things and i get the stuff you talk about can be applied to every genre artist but anything different for producers of bass music?
@MultiMillyon
Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Spotify isn't where the money is made anyway so 30% for more visibility isn't all that bad
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
yerp
@DanielWithTheBalance
Жыл бұрын
What popularity score is needed for this?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Thats not what its based on
@DanielWithTheBalance
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation oh, I thought you mentioned that in the video
@DanielWithTheBalance
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation woah, it says I’m eligible 🤩 Available March 11!!
@commoditycreature
Жыл бұрын
You'll get the barista some day Jesse, I believe in you.
@jdframpton
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this hadn't even heard about it.
@Denots208
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jesse, how do we opt in to this catastrophe? Back end of Spotify for artists but where?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
There’s a graphic in the video that shows. It’s under the campaigns tab
@Denots208
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation Awesome, thank you!
@Fear2Stop
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation I’m not seeing it…just marquee. I’m with RouteNote so it’s not an issue with the DSP…. Guess I just have to wait and see! Getting around 40K streams/month with around 7K monthly listeners, and per Spotify for Artists 43% of that is algorithmic, so I’m curious to see what would it look like if I did get access
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Well hopefully soon enough
@ExquisiteEndeavorsEnt
Жыл бұрын
30% of 0 is.... I'll take it fr
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
lol
@jasonsteakums6067
Жыл бұрын
Random question for you Jesse. Do you have an opinion of PR firms and whether the ones that work with bigger and smaller indie acts are worth going through?
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
From genre to genre it’s all different so too disparate to give an opinion
@jasonsteakums6067
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation what about an indie / psych rock artist? asking for a friend (that friend is me)
@federicoz250
Жыл бұрын
Discovery mode is indeed pay-to-play. We don’t have to pay youtube to get suggested, if our video is doing well. It’s the task of the platform to recommend our music. The great question is: why discovery mode isn’t made available for free? 😏 Don’t get scammed by Spotify.
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Its pay to playeven if they want to call it a commission its total BS
@federicoz250
Жыл бұрын
@@Musformation Exactly. There are laws that prevent paying for plays, because that manipulates the audience in a dirty way. If it’s paid promotion, people have to know. So, discovery mode is great, but they must do it for free. And since it’s algorithmic, they don’t have extra-costs.
@Dihmarko
Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Spotify will start limited algorithm plays for artists who don't opt in.
@federicoz250
Жыл бұрын
@@Dihmarko Well, they’ve been limiting since forever algorithmic plays. Discover Weekly for example will never exceed some limits determined by how many streams a track currently has, even if it has the potential to go viral, while youtube would make it actually viral. It wouldn’t be surprising, if they limit DW further to boost discovery mode.
@andresalvadorandthevonkings
Жыл бұрын
T-shirt as great as the video
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
🕺🏼
@josiahpalmer
Жыл бұрын
Now I need the story on Merlin 😅
@Ristlynn
Жыл бұрын
At least it’s not 30% permanently for all future streams or something like that… might be fair enough a trade off.
@SCVMSHOTS
Жыл бұрын
This is so rad
@KubaOmsTV
23 күн бұрын
NOT avaiilable for Tunecore artists I just found out - dissappointung.
@ROBBIEP
Жыл бұрын
I'd rather give up 30 percent of something then get 100 percent of nothing but I am getting something on Spotify with some.mjld success. I have some songs doing well. Can you opt in on a person basjs? I'll give it a go I have some songs doing well others not so much but If I can select which ones I can let be discovered that could be cool. Finally, it's kinda dumb artists have give up 30% of royalty's then pay another 30%ish for tax from the remaining 70%. Indie artists don't have LLCs and tbh if an artist got their 100% royalties then took 30% for marketing that would be a tax deduction. I bet Spotify pays less tax then all the indie artists in the game put together
@megatonleviathanofficial
Жыл бұрын
lit.
@KateBrunotts
Жыл бұрын
Oof thanks for covering Jesse
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
🕺
@sensate_official
Жыл бұрын
damn im not even pulling enough streams to participate it says lol
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
🥴
@BobbyCrane
Жыл бұрын
how many do we need to do it?
@sensate_official
Жыл бұрын
@Bobby Crane like 5000 streams in 4 weeks it says
@Slope114
Жыл бұрын
i came here for the advice stayed for the jokes! love the jokes!!
@wisd0mpro
Жыл бұрын
✌️✌️
@PureCoreTV
Жыл бұрын
;)
@bluezy710
Жыл бұрын
To be very honest, I feel like Spotify trying to "help" indies is just another way to keep indies trapped under the major's monopoly. Majors own shares of Spotify, yes, so even though they don't control Spotify, they obviously are relevant stakeholders. Do some research on the Merlin folks and that'll answer you some questions. They all connect with each other so no, nobody is an idiot for saying the majors control the industry. Maybe you're saying this because it'd affect your channel negatively since your channel is all about you feeding hope into indies. Why would Spotify want to step on their toes by giving advantages to a group of artists that the majors don't highly benefit from and that could pose as real competition to their signed artists? And considering that a large chunk of indie artists even pay for Spotify plays that will cause Spotify to dish out royalties to them, I could argue Spotify loses money with indies.
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
Everything you said here is pure conjecture and at that really poorly informed conjecture. I worked at a major label where the highest ups rivalry and constant frustration with Spotify not doing their bidding was ever present. Also keep in mind the majors largely divested their initial investments in Spotify and as it went public because not influential at all. There’s tons of evidence that Spotify continually tries to weaken the majors cause they are the most annoying person to negotiate with. But clearly you’re so well informed and aren’t reaching for facts whereas I’ve actually observed and been a journalist covering the service since before it launched in America. My opinion isn’t based on my channel doing well it’s that there’s rampant evidence I point to in numerous videos and through solid reporting that it’s a conspiracy as dumb as q anon to think the majors and Spotify have any sort of sympathetic relationship.
@mightbefire
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, those "other youtubers" who needs them. Idiots. There's only one true youtuber worth watching: Damian Keyes, NO, I mean... Andrew Southworth, NOOO, I mean Jesse Cannon - the only non-other-youtuber on youtube.
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
🙄
@BethlehemBoss
Жыл бұрын
You give great advice but I can tell your racist against young black people, a lot of your mockery and jokes are on the way we talk and may even think in our ignorance of the music industry......anyway to each his own, IDGAF......great advice tho........#ignoranceisblisstoafool
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this feedback and will consider it. I like to think I’m mostly mocking the young white kids who Co. Opt it and also make fun of the old jaded metal guys. But I’m going to really consider this and make sure I am not doing so.
@givenchymamajama3859
Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if you’ve always been crackin jokes like how you are in this video but if not man keep doing it. Like this more open and comedic style w/ the information you’re giving us
@Musformation
Жыл бұрын
I think the better mood I am in the more they flow
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