I am so sick of people literally getting away with murder because of a wimpy justice system. There should be NO plea deals for murder cases.
@jedidaforce2595
13 күн бұрын
I feel the same way. Unfortunately, not cases have the same evidence, prosecutors/DAs, investigators, and state laws, and these differences tend to work in the murder’s favor. This case should’ve been an easy conviction with a LWOP sentence, but the detectives really messed up this investigation and allowed the killer to destroy the evidence. Like with a lot of other murder cases, if the prosecutor feels the evidence isn’t concrete, they bring lessor charges just so they can get a conviction. Sometimes any conviction is better than nothing when there’s such little evidence that it’d be hard to convict, but this case was the complete opposite. You hit on the head when you called it a wimpy justice system. This plea deal reeks of a coverup of lousy police work, or was made to protect the state from a future civil lawsuit. Cases like this are one of the biggest reasons why I believe every state should have the DP, and why I believe every murder should be charged as a DP case. It gives the state a huge bargaining advantage. That lets the state bargain down to LWOP instead of these prosecutors starting with a life sentence and then making a deal for something stupid like 20 years.
@SeanF-m4b
13 күн бұрын
Mad ain’t it… tell me about these murders and we’ll let the other 10 people you killed go 😮 makes no sense
@JohnnyDanger36963
12 күн бұрын
remember there's two sides to every story!☝️☝️☝️
@keishab7522
12 күн бұрын
Totally agree
@piratelute8934
12 күн бұрын
Ok, so then let it go to trial, they lose, and then the killer roams free and more people get killed?
@Pines.n.poppies
16 күн бұрын
Why don't they take cadaver dogs in that area to see if there are more victims?
@dougprice9373
10 күн бұрын
@@Pines.n.poppies shit costs money man unless they are out there searching for something specific they're not just going to send a bunch of teams out there with cadaver dogs to search for unknown graves that just creates more work for them and cost a lot of money
@dinahjackson8146
9 күн бұрын
@dougpricIe, I'm sure they have drones by now...
@Nostalgic_1
8 күн бұрын
@@dougprice9373True. However, there are some cadaver dog teams that actually donate their time and costs to certain cases. This sounds like a good case for that if it means that it might possibly keep this guy in prison. 2031 isn't that far off.
@nothanksmate
9 күн бұрын
Thank goodness for Christina’s best friend. She kept her memory alive.
@trenthall1427
10 күн бұрын
Valerie.., Christina was fortunate to have a friend like you for the majority of her short life. i feel like if this would have happened just a short time further in the future with with the internet and cell phone being more common place.. and obviously that would not have stopped the actual crime... but the technology having had moved forward would have made it more helpful when trying to find your friend and why she had just quickly vanished like that.. there really is not a whole lot that someone can say to make the pain of what happened go away ..i do not believe that it really never gets any easier when people are robbed of their lives by this sort of thing .. and it never seems fair... because it really is not .. and there never really seems to be any kind of reason and or reasonable answer to why these things happen to good people all the time....but i believe and have to think that the family and friends do somehow learn how to deal it the best way that they can with the help of their family and or friends .because in reality that is all we really have.. .the friends and family are left with no other choice ..but to just remember that someone cared about and loved them for who they were and they will never be forgotten.. and to always remember that you were in fact an important part of their life... and it can be good to think that you did at least have them be a part of your life for a short short time and that i believe is better than to not have never known them at all..
@KSudbury
12 күн бұрын
Shocking that he is to be released. The judiciary should be held to account.
@TS-rd7oy
15 күн бұрын
20 years old is not a young girl. She's a young woman.
@bulldaggerwatkins190
13 күн бұрын
20 is pretty young to go, Bub.
@britth5333
12 күн бұрын
@@TS-rd7oy he got the first girl when she was a teenager. Like 15-16.
10 күн бұрын
A 25 year old is a young woman. In my opinion it's actually 30 and up.
@Humanaut.
9 күн бұрын
Any potentially dangerous person should have to wear an ankle monitor for life after they get out.
@pjsavagejr
5 күн бұрын
The deserts from Las Vegas to Arizona to Southern California are littered with bodies. If you thought a few barrels found in Lake Mead a few years back was shocking, pshh
@kerriarickards8508
9 күн бұрын
Great vid, relayed it well! Liked and subscribed! Hi from Perth 🇦🇺
@southernbridal
8 күн бұрын
Tassie❤
@PhilipSimpson-df8he
13 күн бұрын
Given the strong suspicion there are the bodies of other women in shallow graves in an area the killer used to re visit, why have the police never used dogs trained in identifying buried bodies. It really must be worth a try. My commiserations to those poor souls who are still suffering their loss.
@bearwill4737
10 күн бұрын
What really got me was her remains were put into a mass grave of Jane & John Does. DNA should be done on all of the remains.
@fencepost5178
9 күн бұрын
What kind of useless cops still do not check out the last place the victim was seen going into? No going in to check the store? Also, any normal spouse waiting in car will NOT leave that store she last went into until AFTER police show up and would DEMAND police go all thru store, look in cieling, chexk floor for hidden cellar. Why, because in this day and age it is completely justified. Ppl have proven they do anything and are sick.
@dreamerworld1495
8 күн бұрын
what about the man who went on that car with him to the desert and saw all those rings in his car. May be the man can remember the place.
@chrispict42
14 күн бұрын
We need to abolish parole for evil crimes.
@bufordhighwater9872
11 күн бұрын
@@chrispict42 He's not being paroled. He's being released after serving his sentence. They need to be able to actually convict him of a crime.
@a.a.a.8365
9 күн бұрын
A Life for a Life ⚖️
@dinahjackson8146
9 күн бұрын
AAAMEEEN !
@TedApelt
9 күн бұрын
The problem was that he was convicted of Murder 2, not the Murder 1 he was clearly guilty of. The pattern of multiple victims combined with the way he sent his wife away at the right time should have been able to prove premeditation - but didn't.
@Ashphinchtersayswhat
9 күн бұрын
Woodchipper.
@juggalettevalerie5482
17 күн бұрын
If I thought I cried a lot while filming it I definitely cried more tears watching it. You guys did an absolutely amazing job of letting me express myself and Christina’s life… and I can’t thank you enough for getting Ginger and Christina’s story out there to the public.
@mangographics225
16 күн бұрын
My hear goes out to you dear, you have a tender and beautiful nature. Both you girls were great companions in this world that can be so very harsh. My prayers for your healing heart, you are a blessing to know there are lovely women like you in this world. Be positive going forward your a gift!
@kae23232
16 күн бұрын
❤️🙏
@luanagardner1815
16 күн бұрын
I'm so sorry you've had to go thru such a painful loss! How're you doing now? Are you still in the Phoenix area?
@heytam7162
15 күн бұрын
Your pain is palpable, I am just so so sorry for your loss & the pain you still carry. Remember if it wasn’t for you Christina would have remained unknown. You gave her as much love & closure as you possibly could. A true friend. May God always be with you.
@MissGarbageBrain
15 күн бұрын
Bless you, Valerie. I can feel your pain from across the globe and I would give you the biggest hug if I could. I'm sure Christina is so proud of you
@blakepowell3849
15 күн бұрын
His MO is concrete in the ground.......GROUND PENATRAITING RADAR they will see all the solid masses of concrete everywhere he obviously liked that spot....
@RobertKibler-ld6dt
14 күн бұрын
I have a lot of respect for detectives, but they messed up in the Ginger case. The husband told them that she never came out of the store. They didn't believe him. If they had followed up on that premise, then they would have searched the back room. Instead, months elapsed before they sent a forensics team into the store
@UnknownUser-j3n
13 күн бұрын
Yes cops usually do bungle up investigations. But this one wasnt as severe as some of the others. Who would abduct a woman in broad daylight in their own store with a husband waiting in the parking lot.
@jasonrublaitus7144
13 күн бұрын
Exactly! I’m no detective but wouldn’t a cop or detective( upon hearing that store was the last place she was in) ask the store owner for a look around? That way he can gauge how weird the guy gets about it. And if the man was literally in the process of packing to go out of state, he coulda used that as a way to get him to let them search.
@annazaman9657
13 күн бұрын
Especially when the surveillance video disappeared.
@Schiffon
12 күн бұрын
@@RobertKibler-ld6dt too bad they only know about that now! Sad beyond belief
@ChrystalPistol
11 күн бұрын
1997 we barely had cell phones dna etc thank god we have technology advance thinking those police who didn’t even ask to watch video and go after husband they deff stuck in 1980 blameing the husband
@BAZ-u7m
16 күн бұрын
Red flags cannot be ignored and must be reported! This sicko better never come out alive from jail.
@KDMeowmmy
15 күн бұрын
Many things can be done behind bars. We can only hope for justice.
@Kingyayaa
11 күн бұрын
@@BAZ-u7m that opens the door to easy legal harassment
@TacoBellCheatDay
10 күн бұрын
He will and you won't do anything but comment safely on the Internet 🙄
@pjsavagejr
5 күн бұрын
@@TacoBellCheatDay haha ✋ I feel you on that 🍻
@waynebollman
13 күн бұрын
Good god what a monster. I read that he was slated to be released in 2031. How is this possible? Please someone stop this from happening.
@jasonrublaitus7144
13 күн бұрын
Wow Christine’s friend is a true definition of “Ride or die” 💯 and her instincts to catch him locking the door? That girl is street smart af!
@staggerlee6794
10 күн бұрын
Valerie is the only hero in this tale.
@Eventual-Visitor
9 күн бұрын
She commented somewhere in this video comment section. You can comment to her directly your admiration for her street smarts and ride or die atitude towards her friend. I'm guessing she would like that.
@jasonrublaitus7144
9 күн бұрын
@@Eventual-Visitor thank you! 🙏 😊
@juggalettevalerie5482
8 күн бұрын
@staggerlee Definitely not true - the young men who came across Christina’s remains I often think of them they are hero’s to me and I am forever grateful to whatever it was that brought them out to the desert that day when they found her grave. Not only that but they actually reported what they found if they never did that she wouldn’t have been found. Christina was killed after Ginger but her body was actually located first which confuses people. They were killed almost a month apart. I don’t consider myself a hero at all to be honest - I feel like a huge disappointment and guilt.
@staggerlee6794
7 күн бұрын
@juggalettevalerie5482 You are probably suffering from survivor's guilt. But whatever it is, you shouldn't let that overshadow your contribution to keeping Christina's case alive. And yes, the folk that found her are also deserving of praise.
@SarahAllenHumboldt
14 күн бұрын
Excellent documentary. It is so inspiring and admirable that television stations have been creating such quality programming.
@TruthFinderAlways
13 күн бұрын
Exactly 💯
@darlingusa2pettee57
8 күн бұрын
*had
@AngeliFernandez
15 күн бұрын
I am so very sorry for the death of your daughter and friend. It angers me as well how vicious criminals can get reduced sentences. Not only were you violated by her murderer, but the legal system as well
@bearwill4737
10 күн бұрын
That's why murder cases should always include the death penalty, unless you can solve more missing person cases.
@mickeybell8933
7 күн бұрын
@@bearwill4737 your comment doesn't make sense
@annazaman9657
13 күн бұрын
Who is Flowers/Jacobson? Which is his real name? Where's his family? What's his background? He committed double murders at 26. Im pretty sure he had other crimes in other places.
@orlandomolina7192
16 күн бұрын
This scmbg can’t be let out again. No way
@thebutton
13 күн бұрын
@orlandomolina7192 Yep, it's called privileged. These two young girls are less than human in the eyes of the system. I just hope someone in prison will deliver true justice. And I hope to God that there's an after life.
@Heidi-Beth
12 күн бұрын
The justice system is just as cruel as the perpetrator.
@davidtydeman1434
10 күн бұрын
I have never understood how the Alford plea works and when it is applied
@DaphnePierre-i5c
7 күн бұрын
@@Heidi-Beth so true
@erickeller6447
15 күн бұрын
Wow. When the father said he shook the hand of the man who killed his daughter I just..... can't imagine. 😢
@wizzardofpaws2420
11 күн бұрын
I remember the case of a young mother and her baby going into a store like this and never coming out. The store owner had murdered her and tossed the baby out of his car. The baby was found dead. It's unreal to me that someone can do something like this.
@gerismith1218
10 күн бұрын
I remember that story. Mom and her 2 year old daughter. A devastated husband and Dad. Never before had I wished a death penalty but I did on this one.
@fredericklmeade2947
4 күн бұрын
You may be thinking of the woman that went shopping with her baby around King of Prussia, Pennsylvania, before Christmas.
@gerismith1218
4 күн бұрын
@@wizzardofpaws2420 Believe their names were Mandarek. I might have mispelled
@ciro8861
14 күн бұрын
Valerie Young Kudos to you dear. kudos to you for still being there for your friend all those years. jacobson was using a shop as bait. dangerous man. hope he never gets to see the outside
@SandcastleDreams
16 күн бұрын
There are tools that can be used to scan the ground. Why don't they use those?
@lueyteledeluxe7457
13 күн бұрын
The "Spy Store" itself, is such a red flag!
@Mark-et1pz
10 күн бұрын
@@lueyteledeluxe7457 Every city was them. That's where nanny cams got popular from. They cater to private investigators, moms worried about their kids, and women needing protection/evidence gathering tools for toxic relationships.
@ceilconstante640
12 күн бұрын
It's not in the rhelm of normal thinking but we must be aware that evil people exist that could make someone disappear in an instant. Please have situational awareness.
@loadedhot1034
12 күн бұрын
I can't believe the police didn't go right into the store and get those tapes. That should have been the first thing they did. They also could have checked out neighboring stores to see if they could see which direction she left or if she left.
@dougsteeleguitar
11 күн бұрын
That Afred Plea needs to be abolished..
@frankbirch3877
10 күн бұрын
I cried with Ginger's friend, Valerie. She struck me with the great story they had together, from the other side of the tracks, until Flowers ripped them apart. Valerie is so sensitive and intelligent and I wish her all the happiness in the world.
@JesusRamirez-oh6wc
10 күн бұрын
She was Cristina’s friend not gingers
@frankbirch3877
8 күн бұрын
@@JesusRamirez-oh6wc If you had read the comments you would have seen that I corrected myself immediately.
@kcfriend5021
13 күн бұрын
Valerie is a wonderful amazing best friend. Valerie I wish you all the best life has to offer.
@BlameJason
10 күн бұрын
Crazy madman. I'm a little disappointed that this documentary kind of teased about how manipulative and ingenious Flowers was but then never really delivered on that claim and offered very little insight into who this guy was or how he was able to outsmart and manipulate others. It just lacks any kind of depth or clarity as to who John Flowers was and what caused him to do the things that he did. He had a certain type of woman he liked to strangle, owned some Spy Craft stores, buried his victims in the desert, and tried (unsuccessfully) to malinger his way out of a life sentence by pretending to be schizophrenic. That's about all I've learned about Flowers. I didn't get the impression that he was one of the "most sophisticated serial killer masterminds" at all. Just a psycho who liked killing young women and couldn't control his twisted desires.
@robinpeppin
11 күн бұрын
do these detectives ever consider why a child would keep 'running away' from their homes? you know all about child abuse & the rampant rape against children right? you realize it is a devastating, soul jarring, anxiety provoking crime do you not??? do not say 'runaway' like it's a crime. like it's a act by bad kids. you people should be protecting them, not labeling them. how many of them would be alive living productive happy lives if you had done your jobs?
@triciahlongwa6383
14 күн бұрын
Hard to find a reason Ginger's family and prosecutor agreed to the plea deal, there's no way any jury could've been told a 20yo went into a shop to buy a book and ended up in the desert by any other means except 1st degree murder. They would've convicted him no questions asked
@tnteachertim
12 күн бұрын
@triciahlongwa... The family has no say in the matter, and it is The Prosecutor who proposes The Plea Deal.
@loadedhot1034
12 күн бұрын
Sounds like they had a weak ass DA.
@blacksheepbahhhhh9385
11 күн бұрын
done dirt cheap
@katelynbrown98
11 күн бұрын
@@tnteachertim sometimes families take deals because they do not want to be re-traumatized at the trial
@bufordhighwater9872
11 күн бұрын
@@tnteachertim You're saying that a defense attorney has never gone to the prosecutor and said "here's the deal my client is willing to take" or they never sit down and negotiate the deal with the prosecutor before the deal is made?
@tnteachertim
12 күн бұрын
I do NOT accept the "We can't pinpoint where the body was found" bullshit; longitude and latitude existed long before the 1990s, y'know....
@nlabanok
14 күн бұрын
Prayers and deepest condolences go out to the family of Ms. Rios and to the friend(s) of Ms. Martinez. I can't imagine the depth of your tragic losses.
@thebutton
13 күн бұрын
Add to insult this POS scam is going to be a free man someday. The victims are not from the right parents.
@keishab7522
12 күн бұрын
Why would let a serial killer back on the streets and give someone selling marijuana a life sentence? Why isn’t someone looking in the desert for their bodies?
@staggerlee6794
9 күн бұрын
@keishab7522 Yeah, it is not like there are 100s of miles to cover. 🙄
@keishab7522
9 күн бұрын
@@staggerlee6794 In 100s of miles are over 100s of bodies. Still should search. That’s not an excuse.
@staggerlee6794
9 күн бұрын
@@keishab7522 all boils down to $$$$
@staggerlee6794
9 күн бұрын
@@keishab7522 All boils down to $$$
@danburch9989
14 күн бұрын
Not much of a spy shop if videos are copied over that quickly. Red flag to me. Maybe should have detained him and got a search warrant. But Monday morning quarterbacking is easy to do.
@liverbird_55
11 күн бұрын
Through this they kept saying he killed these 2 women Ginger Rios and Christina Martinez, but Christina was not an adult she was a 15yr old child not a woman, he should also have been charged for her murder, kidnap, rape, ect with child charges as she was a minor which should add years to his prison sentence, he is pure evil and hope he rots in prison, RIP Christina and Ginger
@travisUPS3518
16 күн бұрын
Please make sure to update us if and when he's released. The state, city and address he'll be using.
@killereverb3928
14 күн бұрын
I feel ya 100%!!
@dinahjackson8146
9 күн бұрын
YEEES, PLEEEASE DO! Laws don't protect us anymore... They just protect the criminals. 😠
@JohnnyDanger36963
12 күн бұрын
47:50 DING DING DING! MAGIC ****13****!!! remember folks-in ALL these shows its either 13,33,or 66.6 !!
@obi-wankenobi8462
13 күн бұрын
How come it’s legal to torture “terrorists” even minors without trial or evidence, but they can’t torture this guy? Explain please…
@scottashe984
11 күн бұрын
Do you want to do it or just watch?
@kerriarickards8508
9 күн бұрын
The sadness in the Dad’s eyes and heart is so intense! Same as Christine’s friend! Broken people through and through!
@fredericklmeade2947
4 күн бұрын
Christina, not Christine.
@daspicsman
16 күн бұрын
So you get on down to the spy store with a baseball bat and you don’t leave until you get your answers.
@heytam7162
15 күн бұрын
Just heartbreaking 💔 The tenacity of the detectives is a lesson for all law enforcement to learn from. I hope & pray you get the evidence needed to keep him locked up permanently. Very scary & an absolute travesty that this monster can reach out so easily to the reporter! Who else is he communicating with?
@shirk_slayer
14 күн бұрын
@heytam7162 I just don't understand how someone can think they can just snuff out the life of another human being and that God is gonna let that go.
@paulanthony5274
13 күн бұрын
@@shirk_slayer I wonder sometimes if these evil people are possessed by something. The things they do and even sometimes these psychopaths have good upbringings and there's no underlying problems.
@leslierudd8399
12 күн бұрын
@@paulanthony5274 not always
@paulanthony5274
12 күн бұрын
@@leslierudd8399 True
@robinpeppin
10 күн бұрын
that makes the the da's action even more infuriating, he just slapped everybody involved in the face with just offhandedly giving this monster a slap on the back, a wink, & a sweet deal. infuriating.
@samwilco2256
12 күн бұрын
once you do things like this, you are no longer human
@janemiettinen5176
15 күн бұрын
Could he be the Mesa bone collector as well?
@patrickkelley6698
13 күн бұрын
@janemiettinen5176 definitely .victim profile fits , 13 known aliases. M.o. is correct and how do u get from Florida to Nevada and Arizona without going into and all around new mexico. Wild ...I was in prison in Arizona in pinal County and I remember when that company and County got popped for mass burying the john and Jane doe's....wild af
@jasonrublaitus7144
10 күн бұрын
@@janemiettinen5176 that was the first thing I thought as well.
@TacoBellCheatDay
10 күн бұрын
No. He's a native American from the Salt River Tribe. Marine veteran. Loves the AZ Cardinal's and is very well mannered.... Or so the rumor has it...
@cindysettles3743
12 күн бұрын
It’s a given that he is a serial killer and should never be released, so crazy
@ninedaysjane2466
11 күн бұрын
Staggering police incompetence in Ginger's case. They didn't even bother to SEARCH the shop?! Were they really that lazy? Unbelievable!
@bochiecole
12 күн бұрын
Before I read any other comments. There is no way in hell I would have just accepted the spy store owners explanation that she bought the book and just left out. I'm searching your store or you call the police, make a choice!!!
@laurawelch1056
11 күн бұрын
Poor Christina. So many years nobody reported her missing, nobody cared. Not until Melissa got on Facebook. I hope Christina is at peace now.
@Eventual-Visitor
9 күн бұрын
Yep, it seems the family didn't gave a single solitary fook.
@junestanich7888
12 күн бұрын
In Gingers case, they should have suspected something because he claimed the tape was reused and it was still the same day she had been recorded, that’s very unusual.
@KiaPi2012
9 күн бұрын
Everyone needs a friend like Valerie. She is indeed a true friend.
@AprilGarcia-sm4bi
15 күн бұрын
My heart goes out to Gingers family and Christinas only friend. But I think the most heartbreaking part of this story for me is knowing that there are so many kids growing up just like her, with families that don't care about them at all. If it wasn't for the love of a girl she met in a group home setting, nobody would have thought about her or missed her at all. When kids are broken, they glow in the dark to a predatory mind. It's like throwing a bone to a yard full of hungry dogs. Im not trying to undermine the murders themselves. This part just really got to me
@AprilGarcia-sm4bi
14 күн бұрын
@roseannmartinez3310 Then why was her friend the only one who identified the composite drawing, described her haircut and jewelry, the only one the detective dealt with or the only one willing to speak on her behalf for this story? And if you thought her friend was full of shit then why wouldn't y'all step up and get it corrected, other than disputing the details of the story in a comment section? And why would the detective talk to her friend if the family was actively involved? And why does the friend need to contact the family about their daughters situation? Were y'all not dealing with the same detective?
@RowanIsInsane
14 күн бұрын
@@roseannmartinez3310It won't make you feel better blaming people who did nothing wrong. You're going through a lot, but so is she. There's one person to blame, and that's the murderer. Hope you get closure, but this isn't how you get it.
@juggalettevalerie5482
14 күн бұрын
I have one story and the story has never changed … The day Christina went missing we woke up at 6 am … (Christina was suppose to be at Florence critten since but stayed the night at my house as she often did we woke up at 6 am got ready for the day my father dropped me off at school at 7 and 7:30 and I would ditch and go home to Christina the last time so saw Christina she had a back pack full of clothes intending to drop them off at the laundry mat behind my home then meet me at Mc Donald’s I can even remember the actual clothes she had in the backpack I can still remember the clothes she was wearing. I waved goodbye to her and followed thru with plans to meet at Mc Donald’s she was no where to be found. Fast forward to 12th grade I see family members in school and ask about her- no one seen her. Years go bye MySpace came around I try to find her AGAIN. I’m told they think she has been with me this entire time I ask if anybody will file a report I’m told no they think she is alive and fine probably just living her life. I knew then no way in hell she is alive just ignoring everyone her family and friends all these years so I FILED A REPORT AS SOON AS I KNEW I COULD. I gave everything I had to help Christina while she was alive and I continue to give every ounce I got left in me to help her story never get cold again. My biggest regret is not knowing something horrible happened sooner so then maybe they wouldn’t have lost her body while she was a Jane doe. I didn’t even have a boyfriend I have no idea why you are so angry with me for telling my truth I never once put any blame on anybody except myself and the monster who killed her but the way you attack me and blame me is insane. You should put this anger towards Craig
@twinkletoes6290
13 күн бұрын
@@roseannmartinez3310 did you report Christina as a runaway or a missing child? Bc those are two totally different things and means the police will handle it differently, different resources allocated, etc. Look, I know you and your family are heartbroken over the loss of Christina (as is Valerie) and that you were seemingly not contacted to participate in this documentary and are upset about that. However, you attacking Valerie and other commenters in this comment section is not the thing to do and it’s making you look bad. You catch more flies w honey than vinegar. Valerie was a child, a minor, and seemingly a troubled child going through her own stuff when Christina was murdered and went missing. She’s not to blame in any of this and as an actual child, just like Christina was, there’s only so much she could do and understand. She had no way of knowing that something bad must have happened to Christina until many years later. Many years later, when she was an adult, she actually did do something and played an important role in finding out what happened to Christina, as did your family in working w the detectives to give DNA samples to help identify Christian officially. Valerie would also have no say in anything to do w this documentary, the making of it, who they did or did not contact, what parts of the interview and footage they ended up using and what they did not, etc. For all you know, Valerie did tell them to contact you or maybe she just assumed they did. But, she did not make this documentary and bears no responsibility. From the looks of it, you guys seem to bear some ill will and blame on Valerie. That’s not fair. But, that may also be why Valerie doesn’t stay in touch w you, doesn’t contact you on FB, didn’t reach out to you to tell you she was interviewed for this documentary and ask how your interview went, etc, bc she knows there is no love lost b/w you all and that you guys blame her and direct a lot of anger her way. Honestly, from reading your comments on here, the way you’ve attacked & blamed her, accused her of lying, the insults you’ve thrown her way, how you’ve flown off the handle at her, I can completely understand why she doesn’t have regular contact w you and if I were in her position, I would most likely do the same thing. You said you will be contacting a lawyer, I’m guessing bc you were not contacted to be in this documentary by the news channel. You will waste money, time and energy doing that. Christina and Ginger’s case is in public records which anyone can access and can report on - whether it be via a written piece for media, a book, podcast, documentary, docu-series, YT video, so on and so forth. Anyone who does any reporting on it can interview whomever they wish to and are not obligated, let alone legally required, to interview certain ppl or include them in the process. That’s just the way it is. So, getting a lawyer would be pointless and a waste of money, time and energy. We have no way of knowing why those making this documentary did not reach out to you or wanted you to participate. Hell, maybe they did try to find you and reach out, we just don’t know. But popping off the way you have in these comments will make ppl think they didn’t include you for very specific reasons and will not endear you to others who may be interested in covering Christina and Gingers case (or the public at large) and get the public more aware of the monster who snuffed out their lives and will horrifically walk free one day. It’s crucial the public is made more aware of this case in hopes that some connections to other crimes and potential victims can be made, so that monster - who is the only one to blame and be angry at in all of this, will stay behind bars, where he belongs and is no longer a threat to the innocent. None of my comment is said in hostility. I feel horrible for what all of Christina’s family, friends & loved ones have gone through, what Valerie has gone through and what the family, friends and loved ones of Ginger and any other potential victim has gone through. ♥️♥️
@faithnevaehmartinez4509
14 күн бұрын
The thing that most upsets me is that Christinas body is in A mass grave somwhere! What is this WW2 again? And that no ones being held accountable for this! Guess what after the war ended all those people in neighboring towns to the death camps who just stood by saying or doing nothing! Had to dig up those graves and give each individual person theyre own grave respectively! There needs to be better record keeping and more respect for these peoples bodies wether unidentified or not!
@joannewilson1483
14 күн бұрын
A creep he’s a creep
@Arizona_rider
13 күн бұрын
Finding the bodies for the families is the key. Getting him in a cell for life can wait. There’s more bodies, more families are missing their lost loved ones. Some body probably should have taken the time to figure out how to extract that information from him before court.
@AngelinoShred
11 күн бұрын
This guy is an absolute danger to the public. If he gets out in 7 years, they need to keep an eye on him and make sure everyone living or working near him is aware of who he is.
@charliewilson4203
8 күн бұрын
This is an amazing documentary done by a local news company, emmy worthy. You can feel how organic it is
@rlb209
13 күн бұрын
The wife should have reported this much sooner than when the FBI approached her at the store.
@ChrystalPistol
11 күн бұрын
She was scared he’d kill get baby
@davidgentile5225
10 күн бұрын
Battered women syndrome is a real thing, i heard this in 87, when a battered woman shot me after i arrested her husband when he beat her in a bar-they're so dependent on the person that they will defend and lie for them. psychology is one of the most difficult aspects of law enforcement imaginable. Thats why they have profilers now.
@billyyank5807
9 күн бұрын
Easy for you to say after the fact......
@alaynastephens6479
13 күн бұрын
Craig Jacobsen is his real name
@angelinalozada189
16 күн бұрын
How many years was this MONSTER GIVEN??
@Venmaylove
15 күн бұрын
Tree fiddy
@juneelle370
13 күн бұрын
@@SaraRuiz-xx3kdit’s criminal to let him out! Horrible injustice!
@BeefSkellington
13 күн бұрын
Dude almost got away with a murder in broad daylight, with people around, that is some insane stuff. Its so wild that i have never hear of this case before.
@ediesaffron3593
11 күн бұрын
Right?! I’m a true crime junkie and I’ve NEVER heard of this!
@ladonnaramirez4467
13 күн бұрын
Such a lovely girl. This world is truly heartbreaking 😢
@jasonrublaitus7144
13 күн бұрын
That poor man, the father of Ginger 🥺 I hope that I never have to go through this with my daughter. Sometimes I forget they even when she becomes an adult, I’m still going to have to worry about her safety. 🥺🥺
@davidtydeman1434
10 күн бұрын
In Australia many states have a no body, no parole law which encourages criminals to tell where the bodies are buried
@michaelschafer46
16 күн бұрын
O feel sorry for you guys. Im street person. But people like him we dont have no place in are world. His lucky he ant in prison together
@nanaman
16 күн бұрын
Here’s the thing PEOPLE DO NOT RUN AWAY FROM LOVING CARING AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENTS!!! NEVER EVER SERIOUSLY 😒
@faithnevaehmartinez4509
14 күн бұрын
Actually they do. A large majority of s3x trafficking victims come from loving supportive homes. They get manipulated and groomed to run away, and then shamed by their abuser for the things they put them up to doing. So they feel like their families will never forgive and love them after what they've done! Yes most runaways have troubled home lives. But you can not say that they all have something to run away from cause that simply is not the true reality of the situation!
@shirk_slayer
14 күн бұрын
When I'm out with my wife, I'm her protector. If she goes into a shop without me, I'm waiting outside.
@Seven.And.The.RaggedTiger
8 күн бұрын
So was her husband,he was right there smoking by the car parked out front.. I'd done the same hundreds of times,not even for a minute thinking she might not come out,you just don't think that would be a possibility.. it's hard to realize that this particular scenario would happen to you,because of all the countless times It didn't and yous are just out shopping like the normal times before.. it's a false sense of security that puts us in danger,it's diminished our ability to be aware of our surroundings and detect danger.. it's not like you're in a bad part of town you know is dangerous,it's just a store,must be legit..right? I guess not..
@shirk_slayer
8 күн бұрын
@@Seven.And.The.RaggedTiger I would have known she didn't come out and I would have searched the shop.
@afreeman5609
11 күн бұрын
You can hear the hurt in her father's voice. It's horrible. I don't think flowers will get out, and I'm fairly sure he isn't liked where he's at.
@Sunsetlover25
17 күн бұрын
I love these please make more 😍😍
@jettagirl15
14 күн бұрын
those poor victims and victims' families!! I can't imagine what they go thru day by day💔 this needs to be announced with a live press conference where he will be living and keep us updated if he is really going to be released. i can't believe a monster like this can be let out?? they also need to keep cameras on his home at all times.
@farinshore8900
14 күн бұрын
EVERY MARRIAGE HAS PROBLEMS. Marital problems are not a clue
@dynamo6796
13 күн бұрын
Demons in people, its going to get worse
@babble2leeza
13 күн бұрын
I bought spy gear from the store. It was opened before the internet, home security cameras, etc. Recorded all phone calls without any one knowing. I was able to get a restraining order. I use cameras now. My brother cut my throat and stabbed me 5x. After his one year in psych hospital, he was free. He still threatens me. 30 yrs later. I don't know what it's like to feel safe.
@NeptuneChildASMR
13 күн бұрын
@@babble2leeza sending love 💚
@Cryin_Lion
12 күн бұрын
Whoa. This makes me want to cry. You've been terrorized and traumatized and it's still happening. I'm in a small group on an app called Amino called Trauma Support Group- it has a picture of a panda on it pointing to a bubble sort of thing. It helps to talk about it, I would like to hear your story even if it's just me ( I'm Lov ). I feel for what you go through every day and know how people don"t get it. Please, if you see this, give us a try.
@Evergreen1400
11 күн бұрын
Where was his store located in Phoenix? Edit : I’m sorry you went through that
@StainedGlassEyeBalls
11 күн бұрын
Schizophrenic?
@TheKuptis
11 күн бұрын
@@Evergreen1400 The video showed the approximate location. I don't remember the cross street but the other one was Camelback, north of downtown.
@ryanhubbard1756
11 күн бұрын
The detectives should search the grounds in the area of other victims with high powered metal detector. If any of the other potential victims had any jewelry, the metal detector would probably go off.
@independent-ts6ys
9 күн бұрын
You'd think they know enough to do that.
@DominiqueBerry-v6r
12 күн бұрын
I a bethcu therell b more than 1 person watchin "craig jacobsens" every move when he get out. If he makes it out of prison.....
@Believe30
12 күн бұрын
Vegas is not the only city with allure like this.
@LorettaHale6321
11 күн бұрын
I've heard of this "John Flowers" before but never in depth as this and im impressed, you have covered the crime but more the victims and families stories as well which we never hear, we just hear the usual same old crime story so thank you for your presentation and the narration was brilliant too! Stay safe from Australia 🇦🇺
@janniebee9501
13 күн бұрын
It's interesting that he had spy stores. A person shopping for spy tools might be in some conflict or trouble. Great victim.
@vanessaboman8143
12 күн бұрын
Sometimes justice just doesn't happen. My heart breaks for Gingers dad, and Valerie losing her best friend Christina. By the time he gets out maybe he will be too feeble to hurt anyone else. I do wish unmarked graves of several John and Jane Does were given a bit more dignity. It's all way too sad.
@Littlei277
11 күн бұрын
The killer shook the hand of the man whose daughter he killed more like it. The action tells us more about the killer than the father. The father beats himself up. How was he to know for sure? Dad is just a really nice person.
@charmaynebruce6215
13 күн бұрын
Does anyone have any clue if this "man" is into drawing and painting? How far is the Nevada Desert from Arizona's Desert, please?
@charmaynebruce6215
12 күн бұрын
To be more precise, I live in Australia and came across a weird, obscene, "painting" in an empty house, depicting a woman eating watermelon entitled, "Picnic in the Nevada Desert". The woman was unclothed. The picture has bits of newspaper stuck to it. Someone went to the trouble of framing it, glass and all. I couldn't understand the signature and there's a date on it. It's stashed away, a tad inaccessible and I've forgotten the date but think it's in the 90s; not sure though. Not this century, definitely.
@Evergreen1400
11 күн бұрын
Both Arizona and Nevada have a lot of desert areas the states are neighbors so parts of the Nevada desert are connected to parts of the Arizona desert. I’m 36 born and raised in Arizona and our terrain and landscape looks so similar to parts of Nevada that sometimes when I watch a movie or a show I’ll think it’s being filmed In Arizona then find out it was actually filmed in Nevada.
@charmaynebruce6215
10 күн бұрын
@@Evergreen1400 Thank you :)
@southernbridal
8 күн бұрын
@@charmaynebruce6215 very interesting. Perhaps you could share it
@raenahonan2003
12 күн бұрын
Wonder how the wife and baby went on with their lives...there are more victims.
@obi-wankenobi8462
13 күн бұрын
Whelp, gotta let him go, that’s the “law”! Innocent guys never even charged with anything are still in Guantanamo though, but we gotta let killer go cuz…yea…
@debrabennett3009
13 күн бұрын
I wonder if LIDAR would help find others out there?
@spadnighthawk10
10 күн бұрын
Christina had one thing going for her- a friend worth the weight in gold in Valerie
@Mskaytee
8 күн бұрын
This documentary was amazing! 👏🏽I’m a true crime buff and I’ve never heard of John Flowers. He never needs to see the light of day again! 😠 “The desert holds many secrets” is what I’ve heard. Can you imagine how many undiscovered bodies there are out there? Not only from Flowers but from way back in the mob days? Sending positivity to the Rios family and Valerie. ❤️🕊️
@britth5333
12 күн бұрын
It’s pretty sad a 15 year old goes missing and nothing happens for so long.
@6235river
9 күн бұрын
reading his correspondences with briana is infuriating. he clearly has zero remorse and is obsessed with being the subject of speculation and media attention. that much is obvious from the way he sent briana several follow up messages and an e-card when she stopped responding to him, directly asking for her reaction. and then adding "certainly, I will be released... the latest 2031 and I will probably be an unparalleled monster!" makes him even more pathetic. even after the documentary went live, he still attempts to tease more details about his criminal history. it's absurd that he could be reintegrated into society within the decade.
@520natarizona
12 күн бұрын
If you think there’s bodies all over that area then you should get cadaver dogs out there.
@adirosesFPV
13 күн бұрын
Is John Flowers related with Brandon Flowers from The Killers band?
@southernbridal
8 күн бұрын
Who is that?
@faithnevaehmartinez4509
14 күн бұрын
First of all im sorry to inform you all that no one needs permission from living relatives to report the news of A crime! Wether its done as a documentary or as breaking news! Not trying to be rude but you guys all keep attacking Valerie like shes Fox News and had any say wether they could or couldn't air this segment! You guys keep saying you werent informed and no asked permission! The only time permission is needed is if "Someone" key word there is going to profit from the story! And in those cases it would be Christina who would sign A release allowing or denying it! Or if there was A living minor child in it. But even then A quick name change and blurred out face is all the privacy courts have ruled on in the past! Its understandible that your family feels disrespected disregarded and left out of the process! But your argument has no legal ground to stand on!!!!! You wanna get A lawyer cause your feelings are hurt cause you feel left out! All that might accomplish is one costing you alot of money! The Murdoche family the ones that own Fox News are so well connected to any and everyone in power across the spectrum and the country that you dont have A chance at accomplishing anything except possibly having the video removed. And how is that justice if no one knows? Save yourselves the time energy and money it will only cause you more resentments and strain on your family. Or you might ask the network to remake it with you included to tell morecof Christinas side of the story. Cause thats what this is about Christina not you guys.......
@twinkletoes6290
13 күн бұрын
Exactly.
@tevman69
9 күн бұрын
With any luck, Flowers won’t live to see his release from prison date!
@updownstate
9 күн бұрын
This is very well put together. I hope True Crime Arizona puts out more quality programming. People die everywhere of course and often under bad circumstances. This film touched on the spookiness of Phoenix. Thank you.
@Charmcity199
15 күн бұрын
Tragic case and tragic loss for the family. AZ Fam: why does the narrator speak sooo slooowly? A lot of this was unnecessary to tell the story. It feels like unnecessary information and background was given just to get this long enough to support ads/sponsorship. It took away from Ginger’s story and was distracting.
@mollymaciulla1917
13 күн бұрын
@@Charmcity199 whenever I have that issue I hit the “gear” button in the right corner and go to 1.25/1.5x speed-hope that helps
@ev25zv
13 күн бұрын
@@mollymaciulla1917 I watch everything at 2x. You gotta up your game
@DMWBN3
12 күн бұрын
Vegas & other neon, alcohol infused, cheap & tacky places have zeto appeal to me. When i go abroad, i look tor locals & where they eat & dtink. Less tourist the better. Seedy places have seedy characters. Sorry for your losses.
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