fun video. I would definitely put Gaultier in the S tier. Watching his late-career surge with that crazy unbeaten streak while playing against Gawad, Shorbagy, Farag and more was the most exciting phase of squash TV I can recall
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I do love Gaultier but he lost in a lot of major finals to the players in S and S+ tier (and even James Willstrop in the B tier) so I don't feel he deserves to be any higher than A. A fantastic entertainer with great skills though!
@ShaneLindsayDr
4 ай бұрын
I am going to put Gaultier in the S tier due to longevity in career. He was world no. 1 2009, 2014, 2015, 2017. That is an incredible 8 year span - yes he lost a lot of finals, but this seems inevitable given the span of his career, and the quality of the players he was up against. He connects the older generation of palmer, lincou, Darwish etc.. with the mid generation of matthew, ashour and willstrop, shorbagy and the modern generation which started with farag, bowing out to the new generation of Asal etc...Matthew, in comparison, only was the very top in 2011,12 and 14 - a 4 year span. Shorbagy + Power comes second to Gaultier on this metric, with a 7 year span , and Nicol with a 6 year span. And your S+ teir - Ashour has 3 years and Shabana just got to no. 1 once with a impressive but singular run at the top for 2 years.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah a lot of good points for Gaultier, you may be right! The longevity is incredible!
@ScobedRobed
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports Mate Gaultier is something special. S behind Shorbagy at least
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@ScobedRobed Yeah possibly, I just didn't want to put too many in S but he probably does deserve it down to the longevity
@jmuirhead100
4 ай бұрын
Great video! I really enjoyed it. The list felt right to me except for Coll. I think he deserves a B tier rating, in part because of his tournament wins, and in part because of his record against guys like Farag, Gawad and Asal (I think he's lost most of his matches against El Shorbagy). Especially his record against Farag and the fashion in which he won / lost extremely close matches when Farag was otherwise as dominant as he has been is especially impressive to me.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I feel like some people overrate Coll down to recency bias. He could be the fittest player on the list but he's probably the least skillful too. His style is good against Farag specifically which helps his case, but I believe he's a significantly worse player who's benefited from some good coaching. Don't get me wrong, he has surpassed my expectations of him, but he's got a long way to go before he's on the level of some of the other great world number 1's.
@ScobedRobed
3 ай бұрын
Gaultier is S tier, the longevity at the top is unprecedented and *touch wood* never to be seen again
@olivercann8883
4 ай бұрын
This was a great watch. Will you make the same video but with women world number ones?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'm looking into it but I'll need to broaden my knowledge of the women's game first (I'm not particularly familiar with some of the players in the early 2000's)
@ScobedRobed
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports Would love to see this as a video
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
Keep an eye out for tomorrow's video!
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/mZmm03ahcISSgG0si=CTaVcZZ8leo_LnoP Here it is!
@Road2Revolution99
4 ай бұрын
Glad to see someone do this and agree with most players, and your reasoning. Think you have overrated NM and Asal slightly, especially saying Asal isn't done with his career but Diego isn't either - Asal only got to #1 through dodgy play and now I think both are in a similar spot so both C tier with potential. Asal definitely can't be above Coll either, would swap those two.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it! My reasoning for Asal being slightly higher is that he's so young and has achieved a lot relative to his age (although I know what you mean about the dodgy play). I agree Diego still has potential to go up in the future as he's fairly young but he didn't burst onto the scene quite as spectacularly as Asal. I went back and watched a lot of Nick Matthew's matches to make sure I wasn't being nostalgic, but he was actually genuinely unbelievable. People don't remember how good his overall ball control was as they instantly think of his good physicality, mentality and tactics and how his technique was a bit unorthodox. He was also one of the best at playing big matches and peaking for the main events. The fact that he beat Ramy a number of times and won 3 World Championships is enough for me to deem him one of the best.
@juancarlosroldan7124
4 ай бұрын
Nice vid man! Personally, JP should be S tier, and also John White should be an A tier, he was a beast. Thanks for posting this
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@palaidk6222
4 ай бұрын
I'm curious about your opinion on Fares Dessouky. His style of play influenced me a lot.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
When Fares is playing his best he can beat anyone in the world. His issue is almost completely mental. If he can sort out his mentality then he would cause a lot of issues for the other top players. Very fun to watch though!
@DanjerusThyme
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports I agree.
@da7war655
4 ай бұрын
Same
@ngzijian14
4 ай бұрын
I agree with most of it, except i would put ; - Gawad in C tier - Coll in B tier - Power and Greg in S tier
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that's pretty good. Although I didn't want to put too many in S otherwise it dilutes it. I also feel Coll has to show me a bit more before he goes to B
@James-sw9vm
4 ай бұрын
Gawad B and Coll C doesn't feel right to me. Coll has 2 British Opens and 0 WC. Gawad has a WC when Ramy retired from injury and no British Open IIRC
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Gawad is B almost completely for his top level of play. His achievements don't match up as well as he hasn't been as consistent as many others. If Gawad and Coll both played their best I believe Gawad wins. In fact I feel Gawad beats most people on the list at his best.
@hampus_lundberg
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports Always had gawad as my favorite. Sad he does not have the consistensy. As you said if he plays his best he beats everyone
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@hampus_lundberg His deception in the front left corner and his smooth skills are unmatched in the current game. It's great he's still playing, as after Ramy and Shabana retired there haven't been many people who are able to play with such flair and excitement.
@MrJoel3498
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports right, a back to back British open winning Paul coll is gonna lose to Gawad?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@MrJoel3498 Yeah I think he would lose to Gawad playing his best. Gawad at his best, like Ramy and Shabana, is basically unplayable. He'd be able to break up Coll's movement patterns and slot away anything loose.
@jjkf3390
4 ай бұрын
Nice video, Agree with all other than Gaultier. Has to be higher for me even though his mentality let him down at time in big finals, he payed through numerous different generations and being the oldest world number 1 is a huge achievement. Out of interest, do you think if all of these players were playing their best ever squash that ramy would beat them all?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah the impressive longevity of Gaultier definitely does give him a chance to go up! Yes I believe if everyone plays their best, Ramy wins
@muhammadabdullah-ig4hk
4 ай бұрын
You analyzed and explained qualities of each player really well...but where are the two legends of the game Jahangir Khan and Jansher Khan?! Probably would've had to make a tier above S+ class for them😃
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! I deliberately only had players who were World Number 1 after the year 2000 as the list would have been too long if I included everyone!
@alexnoakes7061
4 ай бұрын
Good video mate - I’d put Asal above Gawad personally but I enjoyed your thoughts. Are you going to do a Women World Number 1s list?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks mate, I could do that! Although I don't know if I've watched enough women's matches (particularly ones from the early to mid 2000's) to have a well informed list.
@ScobedRobed
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports Make the video anyway and just say you're not too sure in the video, it helps the game.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@ScobedRobed I'll do some research over the next few weeks and then I'll make it 👍🏻
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/mZmm03ahcISSgG0si=CTaVcZZ8leo_LnoP Here it is!
@adamabdelrasoul8076
3 ай бұрын
where does elias go now after his world championship win?
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
I'm currently making a video about it 👍🏻 It was an unbelievable overall tournament performance and definitely one worth breaking down in detail
@bernardleeis
4 ай бұрын
Great video - I’d have to have peak Elshorbagy in the S+ tier, he was pretty much unplayable 2014-2019
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Yeah peak Elshorbagy was extremely good but still a step below Ramy and Shabana in my opinion
@bernardleeis
4 ай бұрын
He coulda / shoulda bet Ramy in that all time match in El Gouna 2015, had 4 match balls I think. Only one world championship maybe lets him down a bit. Great video, really enjoyed it
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
What a match that El Gouna one was though! It had everything!
@bernardleeis
4 ай бұрын
Best match ever I think - I just have watched it 5/6 times, it’s truly incredible. Even better than the 2014 WC match between them.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@bernardleeis Yeah I agree! Just when it seemed impossible to get any better than the WC match they somehow topped it!
@thomasbowden4806
4 ай бұрын
Great video. But I think Gaultier should be s tier. There was a golden age of squash when Shabana, Willstrop, Gaultier, Matthew and Ashour were at the top and a rising elshorbagy. I enjoy waytching the players right now but I don't think its the same. Farag is amazing but he could just about scrape a win against Matthew and lost against Ashour, Gaultier and Willstrop while they were in their 30's. Even his world titles seem a bit tamer playing against a diminished El shorbagy or Momen. I still greatly admire the new players but it does feel they needed to wait for the older generation to retire rather than match their level.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I'm also a huge fan of that golden generation! I do believe Ali Farag would have mixed in well with them though. I think he lost to those guys because he hadn't reached his peak at that point. They would have definitely had some great matches if they all peaked at the same time!
@M0odez
4 ай бұрын
I'm really torn on Coll. If he had stayed #1 for longer I would absolutely argue that his achievements warrant a B rating as he has done so much despite the glaring weakness in his natural skill, in the same vein that Willstrop overcame lack of agility. I feel like personally I have the same weaknesses so it's nice to have someone representing this at the very top rather than just racket wizards who I could never hope to emulate.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's true that James and Paul both have had obvious strengths and weaknesses they've had to overcome (just on the opposite ends of the spectrum). I just believe that James would beat Paul in his prime. His ball control is the best of all time in my opinion and I think he'd be too accurate.
@user-kw4zy9jh8h
4 ай бұрын
Coll is boring to watch
@user-kw4zy9jh8h
4 ай бұрын
Jansher khan for me was the best all round squash player.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@user-kw4zy9jh8h Because I wasn't alive at the time I thought it would be best to only include players after the year 2000. Things get very difficult when you add Jansher and Jahangir into the mix!
@M0odez
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports I agree with the comparison to Willstrop; I think James would be top of B tier for me. Nick's style just seemed to sway their head to head too far in his favour for James to consistently get those big titles. For Coll, one more good season at his best, with some wins over Farag, and a 3-6 month return to #1 would get me off the fence and put him comfortably in B tier. And yeah if I had a penny for every time I've heard "Coll boring" or "Jansher/Jahangir best" ...
@gunnarsamuelsson4611
4 ай бұрын
My list 1. Palmer 2. Ramy 3. Asal etc
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I really love Palmer but sadly don't think he's quite as good as a few of the others on the list. Definitely one of the better ones for me though!
@aridravitzki1661
4 ай бұрын
personally I would put Paull Coll in A tier and Elshabagy infront of Nick Mathew
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
El Shorbagy in front of Nick Matthew is definitely possible. I found it difficult to pick between the 2. I don't think Coll should be in A tier though because everyone in A and above have far more achievements than him and a higher overall quality of play. I could potentially put Paul in B tier but need to see a little bit more from him for a bit longer to justify it.
@willk3174
4 ай бұрын
Can you share the link for the tier list so we can make our own?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Here it is! tiermaker.com/create/world-number-1-squash-players-since-2000-17070580?presentationMode=true
@bdhere1
4 ай бұрын
Colls 2021 & 22 British opens were actually unreal. Won 6 matches against people on this list and out of those, all 3-0 except one 3-1 against Farag.
@paran0idgaming595
4 ай бұрын
Asal is currently the best player in the world, not sure why you rank him so low, when he is already beating Farag and El Shorbagy. I also think Gawad should be placed on A tier, not B.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
He beat Ali once recently and loses almost every other time. Elshorbagy is on a decline too. And Asal hasn't done it for long enough yet. He will be much higher at the end of his career I'm sure! I wish I could put Gawad in the A tier but he was only World Number 1 for a month so don't think I can justify it sadly.
@yagnyeshtripathy
4 ай бұрын
Good assessment. But few changes. 1. Nick Matthew was most consistent but definitely not in league with present Farag, Shorbaghy or even Asal and Elias. He should be at A to give credit to his longevity and consistency. 2. ELIAS TOO LOW. He is playing against the best Farag, Asal and Shorbaghy and still getting few titles. He should be at B atleast. 3. James Willstrop has to be at C. His game is treat to watch. But considering all players playing at best he will lose to 90 percent in this list.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
After going back to watch loads of Nick Matthew matches I've seen that his quality and level was even better than I remembered and he has the achievements to back it up so I feel he deserves to be in S. Elias wasn't world number 1 for long and is clearly a big step behind Farag in my opinion. This is a list with some of the best players ever so I don't think he makes it above C yet. I think recency bias is clouding your judgement here. He is great though and his tier can easily change in the future though as he has plenty of time left to play! James Willstrop is up in B down to the fact that he has the best ball control of all time. Yes he had weaknesses but I feel he deserves credit for being the absolute best at something. The 2 players that tended to beat him the most were Ramy and Nick which isn't really too bad considering they're high up the list.
@James-sw9vm
3 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports How does Elias WC win change things now? He beat Farag 3-1
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
@@James-sw9vm If he can keep this level up for a few tournaments then it will put him up higher. I don't think a single amazing tournament alone is enough though, even if it was as impressive as it was!
@paulhamery5409
3 ай бұрын
Id put Coll at least B tier, or maybe even A juste Because he is the only player that has been able to constitently beat Farag over the past 2 years
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
The reason Paul has beaten Ali is purely because of the stylistic matchup. I don't think he would beat a lot of the guys in A and B in their prime. His career isn't over yet though so he could always prove me wrong!
@da7war655
4 ай бұрын
Watching from Egypt 👋
@laurielacey-hastings1973
4 ай бұрын
Who has ascended and influenced the game since 2000? I'd say Nicol, Power and Ramy... without these players I don't think the others would play the way they do. I believe Asal will be the next player to push the game to the next level. I can see why you put Shabana at S+, but he's a Nicol/Power lovechild. I think Gawad should be C (I feel your choice was an emotional one haha). Great video and great talking point
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that's a fair point. I think Gawad is a special talent that deserves to be above the bottom tier despite the stats not necessarily supporting it! 😂
@hamaja18
4 ай бұрын
I think Gaultier and Palmer should be ''S''
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I love them both but think they're a small step below the guys in S
@tannys
4 ай бұрын
for me S++ Ramy; S+ Shabana; S - Ali, Nicol ;A - Asal, Matthew, Willstrop, Power, Palmer, GG, Elshorbagy; B- Gawad , Elias; C- lincou, white, coll
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Pretty good list 👍🏻 although I think you'd have to split A into 2 parts
@addereal
4 ай бұрын
I don't think Asal coll and elias are in the correct tier.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I think recency bias is clouding your judgement
@javiair9687
3 ай бұрын
farag has 4 time world champion and hes still going ashour and mathew only have 3
@mickelsie5461
4 ай бұрын
Nicol didn't just play with Power, he played with Jansher Kahn, and beat him sometimes.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah that's true, Nicol was unbelievably dominant. To be fair to Jansher, it was towards the end of his career right?
@pavelandel1538
4 ай бұрын
Then there are players, who will (probably) never be Nr. 1, such as Hisham, Ibrahim or even Mueller or AlTamimi, yet they are more entertaining to watch then the robotic Coll.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'd agree with that. It shows how important consistency is for being the World Number 1. It's very hard to play a high skill/flair, open style of Squash whilst also being consistent enough to win the majority of the tournaments. It makes players like Power, Ramy, Shabana and Gawad even more impressive!
@DanjerusThyme
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports Sikly skills don't matter when PC is getting the tournament wins under his belt. Multiple British open champ and has won many platnium events and other large events. World champ runner up. His mental strength, fitness and tactical master class and skills mean that he has achieved amazing things. The fact that he does not appear to be as skillful as a Gawad or Ali does not mean he is not good. This list is based on level, and PC has shown an incredibly high level of Squash and has beaten everyone under the sun. He has beaten all the S tier players at least once. Therefore he should be at least B or even A?
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@DanjerusThyme I agree PC is good! But I think Gawad's hold at his best would make life difficult for him. This list isn't just about tournament wins and stats. It's also about the eye test of watching and seeing how good someone is. Seeing their subtleties and deciding their level based on what you see. The combination of these 2 metrics are what I base my decisions on. Paul's natural style just happens to counter Ali's and the other S players he's beaten are at the back end of their careers. Paul might deserve to be in the B tier but I feel he has to show me a bit more before I put him there as he wasn't World Number 1 for long and he hasn't won a World Championship yet. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes up to B in the near future though.
@DanjerusThyme
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports That's a thoughtful response and I can understand your perspective. I do think PC's racket skills are underated though. People label him as robotic etc and I just don't agree. He is unbelievable on the counter, his ball control and general L&W hitting is excellent, he has a superb lob from back and front on both sides which takes a lot of ball control. He is accurate on the volley with drops, hold and straight drive. And he has developed a lot more weapons / attacks at the front, adding interesting variety which has gotten him quote a few outright points at latter stages in matches or pivotal times in games. I would say he has as many if not many weapons than a player like Nicol or even Palmer.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@DanjerusThyme Yeah PC has improved a lot in that area. Over the last few months I've actually enjoyed watching him play a lot more because of it. I still think he's behind most of the others on the list in the skills department but his physicality is obviously off the charts. I would still describe his technique as a bit robotic (but so was someone like Nick Matthew in a way but I'm still a big fan of his) compared to the really natural players like Ramy and Shabana who make it look so easy and can do things with the ball that nobody else can. Robotic doesn't mean bad though, but it can mean less adaptable and more predictable in some scenarios.
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
You did Darwish dirty my man and DP should up there with Ali
@Chimpwhich
4 ай бұрын
Agreed . B at least but I'd given him an A. Darwish had fantastic footwork
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Just out of interest, what would you say Darwish did that's better than most of the others on the list? I'm keen to hear different people's perspective
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
He was tougher than most of these guys. He was a better winner than most I think. Best balance in hitting, moving, technique and mentally @@JoshAttwellSports
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@nuagacademy1 All of these guys won a lot though (that's why they got to world number 1). Yeah I know he had a good mix of skills but for me that makes him an all rounder who didn't necessarily have anything to push him over the edge to move up the list. Still a great player but not as good as some of the others for me.
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
@@Chimpwhichand a master of the hold in the front of the court
@ShaneLindsayDr
4 ай бұрын
Just going on number of weeks at number 1, which is a pretty good marker for GOATs of the modern era, here is how it comes out: S+ Farag 65 Nicol 60 S Shorbagy 50 Shabana 33 A Ashour 21 Gaultier 20 Matthew 19 B Lincou 14 Power 14 Willstrop 11 C Everyone else
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I feel only using that as a metric is unreliable as it's completely context based. It depends who else was playing at the same time or who was injured etc... while it definitely plays a part in it, I don't think it gives enough information to dictate the full list.
@ShaneLindsayDr
4 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports yes agree but seems like a key metric. Makes me feel Matthew + Shabana over rated and Gaultier under-rated - and Shorbagy and Farag need to be in a different category given their dominance. Matthew and Gautlier would have one more titles if it weren't for the quality. Shorbagy doesn't need this excuse - he just dominated. On your list Shabana seems over rated, partly due to win/loss ratio with similar players (I think Matthew and Gaultier win this and similar ages). Nicol dominated due to weaker opposition, but still, can't take away too much from his achievements. My revised list (note this has days at no 1from wikipedia list which weirdly dissociates from months at number 1, and shows here Shorbagy higher than Farag). Ashour is the special one due to his insane win/loss ratio against everyone else. S+ Ashour 638 S Nicol 1825 Shorbagy 1521 Farag 1335 A Shabana 1006 Gaultier 606 Matthew 576 Power 429 Asal (as a prodigy, he is going to end up at least in this class) B Lincou 425 Willstrop 337 C Everyone else (maybe Coll and Elias will get higher, we shall see)
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
@@ShaneLindsayDr Shabana does have the bonus of 4 World Championship wins too though. And the quality and style of his Squash was unbelievable.
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
Paul Coll would beat some of the guys you have above him , it is a personal list so guess stil makes sense
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I think if everyone played their best he wouldn't. Maybe he could beat Lincou (obviously we're not talking about 1 off wins here, we're saying if they played 10 times who would be more likely to win when both are at their peak). Paul Coll still has time to go up the list though so we'll see!
@alexanderarader1012
2 ай бұрын
how is shorbagy not s+ tier lmao
@JoshAttwellSports
2 ай бұрын
Because he's not as good as some of the people in the S tier?
@alexanderarader1012
2 ай бұрын
@@JoshAttwellSports thanks for the explanation
@JoshAttwellSports
2 ай бұрын
@@alexanderarader1012 You're welcome 👍🏻
@aaronsutton1992
4 ай бұрын
I think your rating for coll is off. Farag is s tier (agreed) but only player whom can consistently beat him while both in their prime and playing well is the worst no. 1 of all time? Super strength is fitness obviously but you forgot his lob. No one else uses the lob as effectively in the modern game as coll. Both defensively and an attacking lob. This is the reason he beats Farag, not style. Farag cant weave his web cause the lob neutralises it. I would also add his mental strength is a super strength. Only time i can think of him losing his mental was against elshorbagy post rob owen comments of him being unbeatable. Paul coll british open winning 3-0 every match of the tournament was unplayable. He doesnt do the flashy shots of the rest but his consistency of doing the fundamentals over and over is racket skill itself. I feel like you weighted shot makers too highly. If a shot maker is playing his best, ofcourse they cant be beaten but that style naturally doesnt have consistency and it shows with lack of tournament wins (gawad, willstrop, shabana). Instead those with insane fitness (nicol) or mental strength (matthew and shorbagy) have the tournament wins I would also put gaultier in s tier. Insane longevity in his career and i think was in the top 3 for like 12 years straight or something crazy
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
I think Paul is good, but he's not beating Farag because he's as good as him. He's beating him because his style just happens to completely counter Farag's. I agree he's mentally strong and a great player but so are a lot of players on this list. I agree that maybe Gaultier deserves to go in S tier down to his impressive longevity!
@Criteria12
3 ай бұрын
Colle is way better than Asal, and that's coming from an Egyptian
@JoshAttwellSports
3 ай бұрын
Asal has much more of his career left ahead of him though
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
Mohammed is better than Ramy, Ramy was just more exciting Dont get confused
@addereal
4 ай бұрын
If I'm not wrong ramy won most of their encounters. Unless ur talking about entire record
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Ramy beat Mohammed in major finals after having almost a year off due to injury so for me Ramy is better. In fact I think Ramy is the only person around that could beat Mohammed in his prime.
@nuagacademy1
4 ай бұрын
But shouldn't career longevity also count. Ramy was a maverick but can't call him a complete player as he wasn't able to play nowhere near as long as Mohammed has.
@JoshAttwellSports
4 ай бұрын
Longevity does count, but Ramy's overall quality, innovation and level overcomes the fact that his injuries cut his career short. He was just that good!
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