As the owners of a 1974 Vintage U87 we know there are lots of sound variances between each of the vintage Neumann U87 microphones, can't remember when two of them sounded exactly the same. The SA-87i is a great value regardless which one is which, both sound excellent! Well done!
@joshuavanderstam1345
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!. Yes, totally agree, capsule tolerance between each mic was up to 3dB sometimes on certain frequencies. This one sounds quite round and big low end. Much appreciated!!
@elijahflippin566
2 жыл бұрын
If I had to guess I’d say A is the u87 and B is the sa87i. I have the sa87 and I’ve noticed what seems to be a little bump in the 1 - 1.8k range. Great sounding mic, everyone at the studio prefers my sa87 to the house u87ai
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Elijah!!
@edt.n339
Жыл бұрын
I must agree with that. I also have a sa 87. and would guess A neumann, B Stam. Nice work in any case Josh!
@jonathanwingmusic
Жыл бұрын
It's interesting reading through the comments, many are mixed as to which one they feel is unequivocally the original Neumann. Some say it's unmistakably A, others say B lol. To me I would guess the Neumann is B only because it's slightly darker and softer, with a hair less sibilance, being a vintage mic. A has a touch of modern clarity. But I could be totally wrong haha. In the end both sound remarkably similar and damn good. If you had to edit takes from either, even every other word, and processed them with a bit of EQ matching, I think you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference in a full mix with other instruments!
@YngHstlr
Ай бұрын
really want the SA-87T 🫠 soon
@emilreuck7880
Жыл бұрын
Really like how both sound! "A" has some sibilance. It's the only difference I can perceive.
@emorycarroll
2 ай бұрын
To my, B has a decent amount more high end air
@Cuzzy135
23 күн бұрын
I'm not even going to try guess but I do like the way B sounds for sure. It almost sounded like it sounded more rehearsed. Both good tho
@2futureanthem
2 жыл бұрын
Both mics sounded great. After carefully compare both mics, my conclusion is A is Stam. B is Neumann. For example, I hear a little bit bump in "Spoken through my words" part with Mic A, especially in s"PO"ken part, which Mic B doesn't have. I am happy to be wrong.
@freebeat2289
Жыл бұрын
yea A is definitely Stam. B got this Neumann got signature sound
@LogicKeyz
2 ай бұрын
@@freebeat2289 actually A is the Neumann according to Josh from Stam.
@DarkTrapStudio
Жыл бұрын
Is think A is Neumann, those old neumann kill the high end, B sounded the same but more modern, Its really hard to replicate that high end kill on the OG I think Its due to the old output transformer and the way they were made I guess no (which doesn't sound better till you add an eq) ? Please tell me if someone can argument Im wrong :) Also If they are not on the same height the top one gonna catch more of the nose and the bottom one more bass from the chest witch it seems to be cause the B which I said I guessed was the Stam has more bass as we can see he is on the bottom :) Your compagny seems so cool thanks for making these clones they are awesome at the price and they are the best at the versus Ive hear ! I even prefered the SA609 to the Neve one in the video Ive seen ! I don't know if it was a re issue or an og tho and It could be prefered program dependantly
@alexmagor
2 жыл бұрын
Hands down I prefer B. If that is the Stam I would buy one quickly.
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@joshuastam7704
Жыл бұрын
Mic A : Neumann Mic B: Stam
@LogicKeyz
4 ай бұрын
Is that your guess?
@AidanSeanMor
4 ай бұрын
@@LogicKeyzthats Josh Stam. he is the owner of stam audio and the guy singing in the video. So his answers are valid, not guesses.
@LogicKeyz
4 ай бұрын
I wasn't aware.
@AidanSeanMor
4 ай бұрын
@@LogicKeyz I agree that A sounds more open and airy
@maximesavard-beaudoin560
2 ай бұрын
very nice microphone
@roderickmims3840
Жыл бұрын
I hear a top end difference, I feel like A is little brighter/open and B Darker. They are extremely close though. You would have to play them over and over again, that's how extremely close they are. I don't know which microphone is which because I never had a Vintage U87 but either option you can't go wrong. It would be nice to know which is which though :) and assuming Stam not going to tell us because people would just choose the u87ai because of hype instead of ears. Understandable! I do like both but B seem to be more balanced.
@adsertheblade
Жыл бұрын
They both sound great. I have a new u87 so I don't know what the Vintage one sounds like, but based on the sound of mine, I'd say B is the Neumann. Whichever the real one is, some people clearly prefer the Stam over the Nuemann, so congrats on that. I'm not sure they're 100% matched though...
@eltata16
2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful sounding mics! Felicidades y saludos desde Uruguay!!
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
Saludos a Uruguay Gabriel!!
@RobbJolleymusic
10 ай бұрын
I just bought one of these today! So excited to try it out!
@fuchidawagyu7815
8 ай бұрын
How did your mic go you bought?
@RobbJolleymusic
8 ай бұрын
@@fuchidawagyu7815 it works like a charm! Even without EQ or compression it sounds amazing! Definitely sounds just like a Neumann U-87, I love this mic!
@wizofozland
2 жыл бұрын
Nice work Josh.
@ryanshook8284
2 жыл бұрын
Man I would really be happy with either one.
@dspoet1
9 ай бұрын
The U87 just sounds better. To me, no one has been able to fully replicate the pure sound of the 87. I've tried many clones.
@db4ks
9 ай бұрын
the sa-87i is the only microphone that sounds better than the actual u87 to me while the other copies are usually too sibilant for my taste (Stam is B btw)
@ozentertainment6767
2 жыл бұрын
I like B.
@NashvillePastaman
2 жыл бұрын
Well done good sounding Mic I love the fact that you’re so focused on nuance at such a young age
@joshuavanderstam1345
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!! I'm almost 40 so not that young anymore, but yes, it was a very early passion for these living things!!
@VideoMusic-sk4rs
12 күн бұрын
B sounds amazing! B’s SA-87i, correct? Can I get SA-87i in Japan?
@Excellent2009able
2 жыл бұрын
B is Stam ?
@manuchalud7455
4 ай бұрын
I'm not sure which is which. I wish "a" was the Stam, that would be great news, but I don't think so. "A" sounds smoother, warmer, more controlled, with an almost perfect sound for mixing. "B" sounds more like current microphones sound, harsh, with the sibilance a bit exaggerated and without the body and creaminess of "a". If it's about adding a lot of treble to the vocal take, to give it a modern sound in the style of a 251, with "a", I have the feeling that it would accept it well and give creamy highs while "B" would start to sound harsh and difficult to mix, like most current microphones. Over the years, capsules acquire properties that are impossible to replicate.
@ernieg
2 ай бұрын
A IS THE REAL DEAL
@Theyrewrong827
2 жыл бұрын
Where is the answer?
@michaeldb3507
6 ай бұрын
Im sure A is Neuman. And B SA.
@LogicKeyz
2 ай бұрын
At the top. Josh from Stam gave the answer.
@TheCUBICLESTUDIO
Жыл бұрын
A Stam B Neumann Regardless both mic sounds great. I'm listening through DT 1990. A more open top end. B is slightly softer, maybe cos it's a vintage mic ? any answer maybe Josh ?
@busyboxst7
6 ай бұрын
It's the opposite, Neumann first. Joshua stated this above... Note, Beyer headphones have a sharp spike that adds a lot of sibilance to anything. If you're using them for mixing, I'd definitely suggest getting to something more even in the top end.
@TheMolysProject
Жыл бұрын
I prefer B
@hermankovacs3324
2 жыл бұрын
This is the closest replica I've heard so far
@dprokofiev
2 жыл бұрын
Hope B is Stam :-) But A seems to be more detailed and softer on sibilances.... Hard decision. Both sound very good. Thank you for your effort. I'm in deal 🙂
@TheRealTMajor
2 жыл бұрын
I like B a lot!
@sq7313
2 жыл бұрын
What's the difference between SA-87 mk3 and SA-87i? target model? I mean SA-87 from U87, SA-87i from U87i?
@joshuavanderstam1345
2 жыл бұрын
The SA87i is a 1:1 replica of my favorite U87 ever. The SA87 MK3 was a replica of the average 87 if that makes sense
@zeitakulobusta
5 ай бұрын
A sounds more Ai-esque. B sounds sat on or compressed in the mid-range.
@Hangoon
Жыл бұрын
2:17 A 3:08 B
@jimbotski
2 жыл бұрын
Nice mics. They both sound pretty different. Probably because your head is tilted upward hitting the top mic.
@m4schine-gun-kellyiii343
Жыл бұрын
To me it sounds pretty much the same. Im sorry..
@jimbotski
Жыл бұрын
@@m4schine-gun-kellyiii343 hey no problem, apology accepted.
@m4schine-gun-kellyiii343
Жыл бұрын
@@jimbotski thx Bro 😀 appreciate it
@starckwest6358
Жыл бұрын
Without knowing the end, A Dynamic and medium high; B more define and warm. If i'd to but in blind test i'll choose B. Now do i'll know which are which?
@ivansandre8340
Жыл бұрын
I will say the stam is A and neumann is B with better roundness. But I will still choose the stam over the neumann.
@ANON0061
2 жыл бұрын
I'm pre-ordering now! When do you think they will begin to ship?
@MVergaraQ
10 ай бұрын
I can't decide between the 87i or the 87t, any videos coming soon? I like the ease of use of the 87i, because I don't need to carry around a PSU, but wonder how big of a difference in sound it has with the 87t How hard is to engineer a mic that can be used in two modes with/without PSU (tube/tubeless)? 🤣
@db4ks
9 ай бұрын
from what ive heard the sa 87t is like a mix between c800g and 87 and is much brighter than sa87i
@YoYaDude
Жыл бұрын
A is smoother and more balanced more presence. Which is Which?
@Godzillah
Жыл бұрын
This is a replica of vintage u87 not a replica of u87i. I will own one soon enough wish I bought Sa-800g but this is a classic mic.
@hermankovacs3324
2 жыл бұрын
SA-87 for me, the Beesneez sounds so dull, like a blanket is on top of it, how can it be so different??
@busyboxst7
6 ай бұрын
Half the reason people prefer old Neumanns is that they're "dull". It's a lot easier to EQ some air back in (but then the air doesn't have SSSS popping out because they weren't captured super well in the first place) than it is to get rid of spikey sibilance. As a current owner of a U87 ai, and a previous owner of a Vintage U67, dark/dull IS the sound (at least compared to the vast majority of modern mics). I'm just saying this in case you've never used the real ones.
@IvanTheMic
4 ай бұрын
A 2:36 B 3:27
@RayoBeatz
2 жыл бұрын
B is the Neuman there's no mistaking it clear night and day difference.
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@m4schine-gun-kellyiii343
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahha boyyyy
@joshuastam7704
Жыл бұрын
A Neumann B Stam.
@petrkorinek9559
Жыл бұрын
A is too brittle, I worked with Neumann before and B sounds right to me
@joshuastam7704
Жыл бұрын
B is the Stam here, go figure!
@doctorspraktijk
2 жыл бұрын
When do they ship ?
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
In about 8 weeks
@CrisFuentes
2 жыл бұрын
you make shipments to quilpué city?
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
Si claro, puedes venir a retirarlo a la oficina!
@strangetimesstringband5025
2 жыл бұрын
A. Neumann B. Stam. A is more full, more detailed, and doesn't accentuate mouth noises as much.
@joshuastam7704
2 жыл бұрын
who knows!
@rjb5191
2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuastam7704 I'm happy to be wrong. When will you reveal?
@pascalmerschaudio
Жыл бұрын
@@joshuastam7704 when you reveal this here ?
@roderickmims4802
Жыл бұрын
You correct I have the sa-87i and the sa-87i is B …. I know this because somewhere around 1.0 to 1.8 it can sound nasal which I kinda don’t like
@HarvinderSingh-yy8th
Жыл бұрын
No one is able to replicate u87AI. There is some hidden technology.
@DONOR-jh9sy
8 ай бұрын
I would not want to replicate the U87AI….they can keep the hidden technology 😂
@JuanPuroSonido
Жыл бұрын
el b
@cubasianidistaceppa6369
Жыл бұрын
mic a stam mic b neumann 100x100 stam continua a studiare a come imitare linimitabile mi dispiace ma b orrendo suono
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