Oddly enough up here where known for tornadoes and high winds but from what Ive seen on barns and some houses under sever winds and tornados I have seen standing seam missing panels or sections from bad storms but I have not seen a metal roof panel held down by screws come off unless the actual roof came off with it
@mobleyMobley
7 ай бұрын
Yes, an amish roofer just told me today that prorib not gonna blow off at all. lol
@kolankprof
3 жыл бұрын
Great content .... thank you! But drop the annoying background music that interferes with our ability to hear you clearly. :)
@devildigger1404
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the music definitely ruins the video !
@brad2548
Жыл бұрын
I'm in agreement. Several advertisers think back ground noise is going to get the public's attention but when they're filling the role of teaching seems they would want undistracted attention to gain a potential customers choice to purchase their products. Echo in the shop is loud enough. Music in the background further distracts undivided attention.
@WVUJason81
4 жыл бұрын
So this is a standing seam commercial.
@lemmingslive3843
4 жыл бұрын
yes. but still 50% correct information though
@country81
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Sounds like a standing seam distribution shill
@mr.eastcoastgrow6132
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this guys Taken the worst case scenarios with one and not the other. I've done both. Just replace the screws every 8 to 10 years. Standing seam is great but has to installed perfect or you have alot of problems. And standing seam isn't cost effective yet. It's the diffrence between 2500$ to 10,000 dollars. Just replace the damn screws every 8 to 10 years done deal.
@Shane-tv5eq
2 жыл бұрын
lol
@danbasta3677
Жыл бұрын
This is funny. In 1971, a school was throwing away sheet metal as they were tearing down the school. My Father brought it all home, and my mother jumped all over him for doing this. He took it all in stride, and let her yapp away. We had an old barn he kept his tractors in, so, he took that sheet metal, put it on the roof of that old barn and that sheet metal was covered with tar yiu can buy at a hardware store as he painted that over the sheet metal. That roof, lasted a long, long time into the future. My Father was way ahead of his time in thinking before this metal roof paten was even currently thought of. My Father was a genius in a lot of things he did.
@jtr82369
11 ай бұрын
Another great thing about seam style is if you plan on mounting solar panels, the mounts simply clamp on the seam instead of putting additional holes in the roof.
@sissymurphy9620
8 ай бұрын
neighbor just had solar panels taken off of his metal roof and it was standing seam . It cost to much he said to have the solarpanels cleaned and repaired . squirrels and bird damage to wires , bird poop and pollen and dust on the panels need to be cleaned off at a cost of almost 500 dollars 2 times a year . now he is dealing with the roof damage to his metal roof . He wished he had gone with ground mounted solar panels now . But then we have deer and foxes and bears and would still have birds and squirrels and possums and raccoons . The panels were mounted to his huge tall utilty building that houses his RV and workshop
@jtr82369
8 ай бұрын
@@sissymurphy9620 that’s crazy, I live in a woods & mine are just laying flat on my flat roof & I barely have any issues like that. Ground mount sounds great except most of use don’t have the space or there is to much shade.
@sissymurphy9620
8 ай бұрын
@@jtr82369 He has had them up 4 years and when I talked to him ,he said he has had wires replaced 12 times and 4 solar panles replaced . Pollen gets so heavy here from trees that my white car looks like it is green , wash it 2 hours later same thing . .We have lots of pine trees and he said sap and bird poop are destructive . Panels have to be cleaned or he looses some of his power . We get lots of huge buzzards here and when they poop they poop and will even eat paint off things . Trukeys are worse but at least they can't fly up and land on your solar panels . Which he has pics of a bunch of buzzards up on his solar panels
@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity
7 ай бұрын
The best place for solar panels is a ground mount. If you don’t have room, then find another suitable place to live where you can install one in the yard.
@jtr82369
7 ай бұрын
@@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity there is no issue with using what would otherwise be wasted space on a roof, plus this style of metal roof is the best type for solar. The vast majority of people don’t have yard space and if they do, there is shade issues that are out of your control.
@geoffhemmings6546
2 жыл бұрын
I am gobsmacked that the screwed sheet is pierced in the valley. Always on ridge in NZ, cup screw protects washer, lasts 30 yrs +
@martingheide
2 жыл бұрын
Same here in Canada.
@davidhorsley1149
2 жыл бұрын
Here in the states, the old style 5v crimp was fastened on top of the "v", but generally that was with the old style lead head nails and later grommeted nails. But with the advent of the screws with neoprene washers, it became acceptable and standard to screw in the flats. This is acceptable only if the screws are properly installed to the correct tension because of two factors. #1, the threads of the screws tend to pull the metal up the shaft when driven, which creates a type of dam under the washer. #2, the screws are only driven until the neoprene part of the washer "begins" to crush. The washers are sloped from the screw head, if the screw is tightened until the washer is flat and parallel with the roof surface, that in my opinion is to tight. By leaving the washer with it's factory taper and the neoprene just compressing, that leaves the ridge from the threads raised and the neoprene in good contact with the tapered screw shank and roof metal. Also, it leaves the roof metal some room for the expansion and contraction he warned about. I have installed several of these roofs, "MasterRib", "GrandRib, and 5V-Crimp and have never had any problems with the ones I've installed. And they're plenty more in my area that I've heard no complaints over as far as screws loosening or leaking.
@talon426
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone does that, and act like I am crazy when I tell them how stupid it is. Don't put holes where the water goes... Also around here they face screw the standing seem valleys. What is the point of a standing seem roof with exposed fasteners...
@jaredkrupski5515
2 жыл бұрын
@@talon426 Yea, all the standing seam systems that are available for the "erect it yourself" metal building crowd have exposed screws across the bottom and the top. They only use the clips through the middle portion. You pay more, work at least twice as hard, and the panels still have holes in the top and the bottom. I understand that the one they are installing does not but I'm sure I also don't want to pay their price... hence the hard sell.
@mtscott
2 жыл бұрын
Those plastic washers last about 2 days in Western Australia heat and UV! Rubber ones similar 🙁
@koogle612
Жыл бұрын
Installed my 1st snap lock 1 " standing seam roof this past year. Shed roof 28 ft from ridge to drip edge & 52 ft wide. Had to build a ramp up to roof to keep such long pieces from kinking while transferring from ground to roof. Points I would share: 1 - got a quote from a roofing Co. Quote was 24,000.00. I bought all needed supplies including stove pipe penetration kit & 2" vent penetration kit plus all needed screws, trim, caulking etc for $8000.00 & installed completely in 80 hrs alone - another 4,400.00 for my time. I used a paint on vapor barrier on the roof ply. Thats half the quoted price. I was pleased with the simplicity of the installation but it WAS the simplest of roofs. The waterproofing edge details were logical & easy to bend/install/caulk in foam inserts. I would definitely use again but maybe not on more complicated roofs with a lot of penetrations.
@genefogarty5395
Жыл бұрын
I dip my screws in melted butyl rubber, it never dries up and cracks and keeps the washer from deteriorating. A small step that assures leaks don't happen. Butyl rubber is the best to seal metal roofing as it remains viscous even in extremely low temps.
@termgrecos3451
11 ай бұрын
How do you make the melted butyl rubber?
@genefogarty5395
11 ай бұрын
@@termgrecos3451 Buy a roll of butyl and put it in a coffee can on a heater. Butyl is actually fluid, just of an enormously high viscosity. It melts to a toothpaste like consistency at around 160 degrees and even while it's cooling it still adheres to the threads. Matter of fact, it sticks to EVERYTHING, lol so use cheap leather gloves. But a little butane torch works great to lay it down in ropes and seal gaps. Way better than silicone caulking. That stuff rubs off, butyl takes thinner or gasoline to remove it. Once it's on, it's on!
@termgrecos3451
11 ай бұрын
@@genefogarty5395 Nice! Thanks a lot!
@Jack_C_
2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you're in the roofing industry and you can't screw a roof down properly. If you screwed the exposed fasteners correctly you wouldn't have the problems you talk about. NEVER screw in the valley, only on the ridge. NEVER over constrain the sheet by putting in too many screws (it needs to move, a screw on each side of the ridge is a big no-no) In Australia we have been using exposed fasteners for decades on corrugated metal roofing. It is a tried and true method in extreme heat and cold. Even if the washers did deteriorate the water needs to rise above the ridge to even think about leaking. My own home has exposed fasteners, I've been living in it for over thirty-five years and have not had a leak. Not saying that 'Standing Seam Roofing' is worse (or better), I'm just pointing out the 'evils' you mention for exposed fasteners don't exist if done properly.
@utube012341
2 жыл бұрын
I’m curious about the meaning of valley , are you saying only screw down on ridge sides or are you saying to screw through the ridges on each panel? You guys in Australia certainly know a lot about steel roofs so I’m interested , very interested. I need to build in a hot desert 120 F to 30F in Arizona
@strawdog2831
2 жыл бұрын
if you take the time to cut 1by 1 and place them down first whare the ridges will lie, then screw the metal to the 1 by 1 and seal the over lap. just do a little thinking before starting;~
@Jack_C_
2 жыл бұрын
@@utube012341 Hi Tom, I did reply to you a couple of days ago but my comment seems to have gone missing (maybe because I had hyperlinks?????) To answer your question, think of the roof sheet as a mountain range. The valleys are the low points (the flat of the sheet on the profile shown in the video) and the ridge (or crest) is the top of the rib. FYI:-Wall sheets are screwed differently to roof sheets. The manufacturer of the roofing material should provide thorough installation instructions for their product. It's not just about where you put the screws, there are are a number of factors that contribute to the overall performance of any roof. Starting from the base frame up to the type of screws you use and even the type of sealant that is compatible with their product. Try googling "lysaght roof installation manual" as an example of what I'm talking about. Much work has been done in our cyclone (I think you call them hurricanes) prone areas in Australia and screwed down corrugated metal roofing seems to be the most resilient. If they can withstand the very high wind speeds of a cyclone and not get ripped of or leak then they are good enough for where I live. Hope that helps and good luck with your project.😀
@utube012341
2 жыл бұрын
@@Jack_C_ thank you !!! I’ll be dealing with high temperatures and winds but not often over 50 mph . I really appreciate this information as I have taken note of Australian ranch roofs as it seems like a similar climate . I’m impressed by the huge overhangs , they must provide a lot of sidewall shade
@utube012341
2 жыл бұрын
@@strawdog2831 interesting idea thank you
@concorde2003
Жыл бұрын
lose the music.
@peterputnam3804
18 сағат бұрын
There are metal roof products on the market that use hidden fastener systems and last a long time. I have installed both types in NH and have never had a problem. As long as you hem to the drip edge and use ice and water shield these roofs will last a long time. Attention to detail is the most important thing and you have to think like rainwater and snow so you will have no leakage.
@waskele.wabbit717
3 жыл бұрын
I did metal roofs for 10 years and all the customers we're curious about the standing seam Roofing until they priced it. They all decided the screws weren't that big a deal. And yes there's a lot of BS going on this video.
@samwoj
3 жыл бұрын
hey, could you elaborate?
@carcasscruncher9354
3 жыл бұрын
@@samwoj I am not the producer of this vid but i can tell you some things. Standing seam vs. Exposed fasteners. 1)I have not done many standing seam roofs. However, they definitely are not fastened to the roof as well as exposed fastener roofs. Exposed fastener roofs are screws down every 6 inches or so horizontally and every two ft vertically. Standing seam is not...and have way less fasteners. 2) exposed fastener roofs do not have a neoprene washer as this guy stated. The washers are made out of EPDM which is a rubber that lasts 30 plus years and is used on full 100x10 ft rolls (weighing in around 450lbs) of EPDM on commercial roofs( big buildings). Exposed fastener metal roofs are durable and also increase the value of the home. 3) exposed fastener roofs are way faster to install. Which costs less in labor. 4) in my opinion standing seam is boring looking. Think of the jeeps that have exposed bolts and nuts and stuff...they look cool as shit. Standing seam looks way less cool. 5) if a tree branch falls on standing seam you have to take the roof off from one side and potentially to the other to replace a panel. That is not the case with exposed fastener roofs. So think about the labor costs on that one. 6)exposed fastener roofs are easier and faster to install. They are easier to repair. They are warranted for about the same amount of time. 7) if you have a house and getting a roof any of the metal roofs add value to the home. They might just last 50 years. Warranted for 35 for exposed fastener. Think about that. Talk to more roofers. The make your decision. Exposed fastener is cheaper and lasts just about as long. (There is some preventive maintenance that isnt necessary until you get leak but just to prevent a leak, which would only happen at a screw, is to have the screws replaced before the warranty is up.) That's my take. I've done a lot of roofing. Take this information or discard it. Hope that helps. Oh, and metal roofs will fade over time, but will still way outlast shingles for sure. Edit: @7:16 he shows a ridge cap that appears to have a gap that wind blown rain can get into. Again, this is his sales pitch. That gap you see is caused by a waterproof seal that expands under the metal. That is not, I repeat, that is not a leak. @7:30 he says standing seam has no seam. If that is the case then why is it called standing "seam"? It absolutely has a seam. That is like saying bacon isn't bacon, or that we are comparing peaches to pairs hear and peaches don't have an acidic citrus value while pairs do. Think about that.
@carcasscruncher9354
3 жыл бұрын
Standing seam vs. Exposed fasteners. 1)I have not done many standing seam roofs. However, they definitely are not fastened to the roof as well as exposed fastener roofs. Exposed fastener roofs are screws down every 6 inches or so horizontally and every two ft vertically. Standing seam is not...and have way less fasteners. 2) exposed fastener roofs do not have a neoprene washer as this guy stated. The washers are made out of EPDM which is a rubber that lasts 30 plus years and is used on full 100x10 ft rolls (weighing in around 450lbs) of EPDM on commercial roofs( big buildings). Exposed fastener metal roofs are durable and also increase the value of the home. 3) exposed fastener roofs are way faster to install. Which costs less in labor. 4) in my opinion standing seam is boring looking. Think of the jeeps that have exposed bolts and nuts and stuff...they look cool as shit. Standing seam looks way less cool. 5) if a tree branch falls on standing seam you have to take the roof off from one side and potentially to the other to replace a panel. That is not the case with exposed fastener roofs. So think about the labor costs on that one. 6)exposed fastener roofs are easier and faster to install. They are easier to repair. Warranty for exposed is around 35 years. 7) if you have a house and getting a roof any of the metal roofs add value to the home. They might just last 50 years. Warranted for 35 for exposed fastener. Think about that. Talk to more roofers. Then make your decision. Exposed fastener is cheaper and lasts just about as long. (There is some preventive maintenance that isnt necessary until you get leak but just to prevent a leak, which would only happen at a screw, is to have the screws replaced before the warranty is up.) That's my take. I've done a lot of roofing. Take this information or discard it. Hope that helps. Oh, and metal roofs will fade over time, but will still way outlast shingles for sure. Edit: @7:16 he shows a ridge cap that appears to have a gap that wind blown rain can get into. Again, this is his sales pitch. That gap you see is caused by a waterproof seal that expands under the metal. That is not, I repeat, that is not a leak. @7:30 he says standing seam has no seam. If that is the case then why is it called standing "seam"? It absolutely has a seam. That is like saying bacon isn't bacon!
@banksy6511
3 жыл бұрын
@@carcasscruncher9354 ageee with all except the ridge isn’t exposed from sealant, if you’re using a sealant that expands then you’re doing it wrong, standard MS water resistant silicone seal doesn’t expand, the ridge is sitting up because it’s screwed right on both edges causing it to sit in it’s normal bowed position rather than being flattened and then fixed closer to the ridges apex (or the ridge should have been made wider) Like the ridge underneath has been flattened before fixing.
@Sandman1832
3 жыл бұрын
My corrugated roof was installed professionally just over 27 years ago. I haven't had any leaks with the exposed fasteners.
@gonnagetya1433
3 жыл бұрын
Take what he says with a grain of salt. The thickness of the metal is based on what they order for roll stock, same can be used for both, same with coatings. Length of panels can be made the same length on site in both types if they come with the equipment rather than a premade product. Interlocking seams on the top/bottom can be bent into both products IF the person applying it does it (generally not done though). The ridges with standing seams are easily damaged with sliding ice in valleys in Northern climates, similar to corrugated but the standing seam is much more prone to damage as it's straight up seams, where the ice can skate across the bumps in the corrugated not always damaging it. I don't sell/install either product but the only item in his list that really stands out is the washers in all those exposed screws, that's the biggest weakness in the product he is trying to put down.
@brettsurrett4596
3 жыл бұрын
Both types of metal roofing suck. Shingles are the best option for pitched residential roofing applications .
@davidnezat9779
3 жыл бұрын
I have in the past, worked commercial construction as a Superintendant, then Estimator and Project Manager. The last 20 years as an Owners Rep and as such a specifier. Most of my ground up experience has been Pre-engineered Metal Buildings along the Gulf Coast. If I misunderstood your comment let me apologize now. This is an opportunity for me to learn. We don’t have icing / snow conditions down here. Thank God! We do have Hurricanes and my experience has been, a roof fails for a few reasons. Often fasteners or the lack/failure there-of, at trim and also at the sheet edge where the constant high wind, often excess of 100 mph for hours, will get beneath a metal edge and cause it to oscillate until the metal tears allowing the head to pull thru or the sheet tears, creating a sail. That’s why I personally like standing seam, with its concealed fastener and hemmed edge detail. Oil canning and costs are the negative. Back to my question. How do you hem an end of a piece of R-panel ( corrugated ) roofing? Thanks
@gr8fullfred
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettsurrett4596 I completely disagree, metal roofing is great and installs very efficiently.
@brettsurrett4596
2 жыл бұрын
@@gr8fullfred easy installation doesn't result in a quality product. But if it works for you,great.
@gr8fullfred
2 жыл бұрын
@@brettsurrett4596 not easy, efficiently
@jonathanstedman4149
2 жыл бұрын
In the UK we have just had Storm Eunice and the record-breaking 120mph gust on the Isle of White. The rooves that blew off were all Standing Seem types. Once the wind gets under an edge it rips off the whole roof - because the first panel to lift becomes a sail as the seam from one panel to the next panels holds in the wind and the drag from the loose panel is transferred to the next panel and just like a zipper , the whole roof peels off. In the Corrugated system, if the wind gets under a panel it gets pulled off - but it does not take other panels with it. Perhaps the edge detail needs to be improved to stop the first failure in standing seems.
@thebestdavidpeters
2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it's in the installation? Our house and many of our neighbors in the Virgin Islands have shown standing seam to be the roofing of choice. Having been through back to back Category 5 hurricanes (sustained winds over 156mph) in 2017, they were the roofs that survived the best.
@springsteen-games5134
2 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah I just had a screwdown installed on my house. They seem a lot stronger to me
@scottyellis3442
Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you brought that up, the video I just watched was a salesman telling us how one sucked & standing seem was the best, he left out parts like you just brought up.
@Shutityou
Жыл бұрын
I didn’t see any standing seam roofs blow off in north Devon. I did see many tiled roofs damaged.
@koogle612
Жыл бұрын
I can see that happening. I asked about the spacing of screws around perimeter & in the field & not 1 tech support employee nor sales person gave a worst case scenario screw pattern for storm all of them suggested about 3 x the spacing I ended up doing.
@robertpattillo2503
4 жыл бұрын
We have a corrugated roof in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Heavy snow and ice loads. It's 20 years old and in great shape. The screws are all holding up well.
@jimgalle1371
3 жыл бұрын
you are very lucky ... buy a Lottery Ticket and see if your luck is still going strong ...
@saleindia9884
3 жыл бұрын
Can I your contractor contact I am from Michigan
@carcasscruncher9354
3 жыл бұрын
@@saleindia9884 hey Sale India, I'm in Michigan. I have done exposed fastener roofs for many years now and have never had a complaint. This video is just a sales pitch for what this guy knows. He called it a neoprene washer. It is not a neoprene washer. It is an EPDM washer. EPDM is the same material for commercial roofs and last 30 plus years. Previous to doing metal roofs I did commercial roofs. This guy already at 1:33 in doesnt know what he is talking about or is just trying to make more money by up-selling standing seam.
@mineralareaoutdoors2213
3 жыл бұрын
Same here in the Ozarks in Missouri. If you dont torque the washers down too much, better chance it won't leak...
@chickenfarm09
7 ай бұрын
we've got 20 on ours and it leaks and sweats, not to mention the fade and chalky look
@scottyellis3442
Жыл бұрын
I'm sure all he said is true but my only problem with this is there's a lot of old roofs around with old nailed down 5V tin that's 50-100 years old still going strong. But I'm sure standing seem is better but how much better is it really??
@davidzbowen24
Жыл бұрын
#6 Price difference.
@tjsbbi
2 жыл бұрын
This isn't a comparison of the two systems by an unbiased party. When I saw the fasteners installed in the valleys of the corrugated sheet I could see where this was going. Why would you install fasteners where the water will run? Also, the corrugations allow for expansion horizontally so that problem doesn't apply. For vertical expansion there would only be a difference if the fasteners on standing seam are loose enough for slippage. That seems sketchy. I'd want to see a demo of a fastener marked and shown movement from the mark due to sunlight. Best to check other sources also before deciding what's best for your home/climate/budget.
@wertz987
2 жыл бұрын
Dang no wonder It's so expensive you have 15 guys laying each panel and you said the same thing over and over again 🤔
@mb4thgenerationgames214
4 жыл бұрын
I love my job I have doing roofing over 12 years now I love standing seams we r doing a 7500 square foot roof now
@markreading6377
3 жыл бұрын
What wood you recommend going under that
@beardedroofer
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a metal roofer in VT and I concur with your assessment of both types of roofing material. Standing seam out performs every other residential roofing product that I've installed for the last 22years.
@peaceprayer595
2 жыл бұрын
FACT!
@natehoover5266
2 жыл бұрын
The H-Loc system from Central States manufacturing is the best system I've ever installed. If installed right, it will last forever
@minni1094
2 жыл бұрын
Is standing seam double the cost of a corrugated metal?
@beardedroofer
2 жыл бұрын
@@minni1094 It depends, generally not double, but still more than corrugated.
@minni1094
2 жыл бұрын
@@beardedroofer I just got quoted $7400 for corrugated and $14K for standing seam. No valleys pretty straight forward job.
@kellydardeen6308
2 жыл бұрын
I Was Taught By a Very Experienced Professional Contractor That on Corrugated You Put The Screws on The Ridges Not The Flats. He and I Did My Roof and Still Looks Good After 14 Years
@craigholland2274
2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@YouTuber-ep5xx
2 жыл бұрын
We put a Menards metal roof on our utility building many years ago, and that is what we did - put the screws on the ridges.
@colinsmith7884
2 жыл бұрын
Good for you on 14 years. Flat on flat vs flat on 1inch ridge standing up. Never would I put screws on the ridges. Unless it comes to flashing
@peaceprayer595
2 жыл бұрын
@@colinsmith7884 I've always thought of the screws on the flats as being one of the inherent weaknesses of the corrugated roof becuase the washer takes constant abuse anytime it rains. That being said, that's the only place they're supposed to go. The ridges do not have sufficeint backing to put the screws there. We thought of "shimming behind the ridge because (obviously) the ridge would be the best place to put the screws for less water intrusion. Without a backer, the screws MUST go into the flats. Flats...Period...end of discussion.
@colinsmith7884
2 жыл бұрын
@peace prayer I was taught to put screws in the flat. Not arguing with you over that. Some people rather put them on the the ridges. They seem to split into a crack. Don't understand the hate man
@Hotdog22958
3 жыл бұрын
In Florida, never had screws back out. One exception was a 60 year old home some screws backed out slightly but never had a leak. Replaced the screws no big deal. Also, expansion is minimal. 90% of the roofs here have corrugated metal with screws and some of the homes are very old.
@byerenny
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds good to me. After that long I'll be roof shopping in another dimension.
@andreboudreau6474
2 жыл бұрын
I’m guessing expansion would be more of an issue in temperate climats like here in Canada where temps can be as high as 40C in summer to -40c in winter.
@ismu34
2 жыл бұрын
I think your typical wavy corrugated roof has plenty of give in it to take up the expansion
@skibbityb1
Жыл бұрын
I imagine Florida has less temperature swing than a lot of the country. Expansion and contraction is going to be less if it’s hot all year compared to places where it gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
@rogervondach1238
2 жыл бұрын
I don't even want to argue if you're right or not, however, there is no need to say everything 2 or 3 or 4 times just to make the video longer.
@interestinoldschool8080
3 жыл бұрын
Definitely a bias towards the standing seam. I get it, but at twice the cost for materials, it's not in everyones budget. I'm putting Fabral corrugated metal on my timber frame pavilion and with the little hint about the working life of the screw washers, will leave my self a reminder to replace them in about seven years, with a slightly larger diameter or longer screw if need be.
@davidhorsley1149
2 жыл бұрын
Don't buy the hard sell. If properly installed, the grommeted screws hold up well (if installed to manufacture specifications). Granted, you might not get the 100 years of the old school standing seam, but the neoprene washers will hold up as good as a high end shingle (20-30 years, again, if installed to spec).
@interestinoldschool8080
2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhorsley1149 Thank you Sir, appreciate it. Injured my leg the day before installation, was able to drill panels on horses to spec, then had the wife and son hang them and screw them down, showed her how not to overly depress the washers, will double check them when leg is healed.
@davidhorsley1149
2 жыл бұрын
@@interestinoldschool8080 glad it helped. Speedy recovery on the leg.
@colinsmith7884
2 жыл бұрын
Be cheaper to look into a spray sealant instead of replacing the screws. Gives your house a new color if you choose to and seals the damaged rubber washer's
@colinsmith7884
2 жыл бұрын
@david Horsley it was just a suggestion. Many old metal buildings up north are turn to this. Like I said just a suggestion. Not everyone uses the clutch on the their drill and squeeze the washer
@JimFreedom2007
2 жыл бұрын
Obviously this was a sales presentation because you didn't talk about the advantages of the corrugated metal roofing (i.e. cost).
@outlandish9233
Жыл бұрын
I've alwasy been told that on a corrugated roof the screws should always go through the top of the large rib, not through the flat section as in your demo. There's less chance of it leaking if the screw is up on top of the rib.
@Deontjie
Жыл бұрын
But then it would not support his narrative.
@robertt6292
Жыл бұрын
Yeah,why would you want to put holes in your roof where the water isn't running. The only reason they put the screws in the flat is because it is easy,easy to nail and easy for the water to get in.
@Deontjie
Жыл бұрын
@@robertt6292 I want to put holes in my roof to prevent it from blowing off. Concealed fixing is not so robust against high winds.
@spencerhansen8374
Жыл бұрын
Every area is different, go with manufacturers instructions for your specific area.
@brianhazlehurst2152
2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Many thanks for the video. I appreciate the advantage of those clips rather than screws, but it wasn't clear how the next red panel to the right in your video, would be fixed to the structure. Or is it only attached to the first panel with an upturned U-shaped seam ?
@charlesstevensEnki
3 жыл бұрын
With corrugated metal roofs you're screwed.
@realityquotient7699
2 жыл бұрын
Call me skeptical, but since he never compared pricing I suspect the cost of this stuff makes it impractical compared to either corrugated or shingles.
@willrodgers7974
2 жыл бұрын
Always good to be skeptical. You are correct, in that the up front cost is significantly higher than the alternatives. Worth noting, though, is that the long term cost is actually cheaper, in that a properly installed standing seam roof will out last 2 or 3 shingle changes. There are standing seam roofs in my area approaching 90 years old and going strong, despite repeated hurricanes and 80 inches annual rainfall. Standing seam roofs are also less likely to leak, leading to lower repair bills, and most insurance companies in my area give a discount for this roof type. Also, if you're considering solar, many systems can clip to standing seam without penetrations. Pay attention to flat vs striated panels, as flat can have big issues with 'oil canning.' Corrugated metal is also good as long as you keep on top of screw/washer changes, right around every 10-15 years or so, depending on climate, as the panels can last way longer than the washers/screws. Maintenance on damaged panels is WAY easier with corrugated. The paint applied is determined by the manufacturer, and not the type of panel as this video might suggest. You can get corrugated with paint just as good as that on standing seam. There are corrugated roofs here in fine shape after 30 to 40 years of service. Proper install is crucial with any roof, or all bets are off. You'll have to do your own math, but in my very rainy, hurricane prone area it makes more financial sense to use standing seam as long as you plan on being in the house for more than the lifetime of one shingle roof. If you're in a dry area, or if you don't plan on staying long term, its probably better to go with the cheaper options. Cheers.
@taddmcmichael9061
2 жыл бұрын
You just got a long explanation. Now I will give you a short one....your wrong on both counts. Just had Standing Seam done and in pricing it was about 25% more than a shingle roof. So is it impractical to install a lifetime (my lifetime) roof, not hardly. I would hate to even imagine a shingle roof done at today's cost and then add that with what the increase in material and labor cost will be on another roof in 25 years.
@realityquotient7699
2 жыл бұрын
@@taddmcmichael9061 See, this is the kind of information that was missing in the video.
@taddmcmichael9061
2 жыл бұрын
@@realityquotient7699 Although I will qualify that 25% more price as was in my case. I am sure the price could vary, I received 4 estimates and 3 came from Amish crews (of one I went with) the other a more advertised company and they were more $ by a ways. Standing seam is more specialized work than corrugated steel and those contractors can be farther in between so the pricing can vary with competition. I was also contracted for this spring and metal pricing has gone up considerably since then but so has lumber and shingles so would be hard to say %'s at today's costs.
@ljohnson820
4 ай бұрын
Annoying background music is useless and makes it hard to understand.
@justotorres8970
Жыл бұрын
The Morton Buildings screw fastened metal paneling are thicker gauge one of the first to use kynar . Morton also does a very good job of making clean and sleek trims and Flashings. Really on any metal roof system you have to have good installers, it won't do any good to have a good product then have someone do a hack job, I see that alot.
@Chris_at_Home
3 жыл бұрын
I had a roof with screws for thirty years with no screw leaks. I have a cabin with a screwed roof with no problem after 21 years. Our new home has standing seam metal and the some panels are 34’ long.
@larrynorsworthy8582
2 жыл бұрын
On standing seam panels, better put some screws in the top or they will walk down the roof and out from under the ridge cap.
@Chris_at_Home
2 жыл бұрын
@@larrynorsworthy8582 There are screws at the seams that are hidden by the overlapping panel. If these weren’t there the roof metal would lift in high winds.
@lewishodge4935
3 жыл бұрын
I've had experience with corrugated roofs in N. Idaho; they were older than 9-12 years however. Number 8 screws had backed out on one roof and many screws were missing. This roof would have been toast in the next windstorm. Original installer held his screw gun out of square to the surface. Replaced all screws with #14s, which saved the roof. However there was rot in the sheathing from leaks around screws. Roof boards were never replaced, unfortunately.
@Pittsburghbad
Жыл бұрын
Can u not caulk over and tool with 795 to prevent this?
@lewishodge4935
Жыл бұрын
@@Pittsburghbad If you want to make the roof last a long time, you could roll elastomeric roof coating over the metal, screws, the entire roof. It is a thick acrylic that rolls on; it will seal everything and prevent the screws from backing out. If you can find a supplier who can mix custom colors, or even has it in premixed colors, one that you might like you can make the roof a suitable color for your taste. You will want to apply two coats of premium acrylic over an adhesive base coat and re-apply about every five years. Your roof will last forever! Make sure the screws are down tight, not too tight, before proceeding. Home depot has a version of this product, but in white only; sounds like you're in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? In a city that size you should have no problem finding the product; it is water cleanup and not toxic at all. Don't fall off the roof!
@kenwindsoron1399
Жыл бұрын
Why are you not using high temp icewater shield for underlying?
@peterfarrell9187
2 жыл бұрын
very good presentation as a union carpenter I saw plenty of corragrated metal and standing seam all installed by union roofers, but we installed siding of corragrated metal and always thought those washers were the weak link in this product
@AU9377
Жыл бұрын
There is an old farm house just down the road from my home. It was built in 1932. It has an old tin roof that has been painted so many times that people lost count. I inspected the house and the attic. How that roof has lasted over 70 years without major work is beyond explanation.
@toddwilliams5905
Жыл бұрын
Skilled Craftsmanship
@mhub3576
Жыл бұрын
My dad has a big quonset style barn made from corrugated steel. It uses the screws with the neoprene washers. We moved there in 1977 when the barn was who knows how old. It is still going strong, though there may be a few leaks around a handful of those screws. The thing has to be at least 55-60 years old.
@chrislnflorida5192
Ай бұрын
😂😂 yes, the Old Corrugated
@pakviroti3616
2 жыл бұрын
You covered the expansion/contraction of the standing seam roofing at least 4 times. You sounded like a broken record, that horse was well and truly beaten to death. Who edits these videos?
@s.e.hamilton3132
2 жыл бұрын
Replacement of the roofing screws every ten years might cost me 100bucks each time.
@av1204
2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. They also make cap screws that cover the washer fully.
@moms762
3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to know how you do the ridge cap/vent? I want this type of roof on my building.
@scottdenoncour6418
3 жыл бұрын
negative note you cant do standing seem yourself without all kinds of special tools for bending if you use 40 year silicne on the screw holes when installing corogated it wont leak in your lifetime just my two cents
@quantux
2 жыл бұрын
You can rent the tools or use hand crimper.
@bdb3350
9 ай бұрын
loose the background music. It's annoying AF. I had to ditch at only 30 seconds.
@terryallen6688
2 жыл бұрын
If there is no physical contact between metal roof and clip, what keeps the roof from "sliding" off the roof?
@oo7ducky
2 жыл бұрын
The metal is crimped together after the clips are installed. You can see this at 9:02, also it is typically screwed at the very top of the panel which is covered by the ridge cap and sometimes at the bottom as well depending on how it is installed.
@carrtb
11 ай бұрын
Steep roof cabins in the mountains do better with standing seam sheet metal roofing as long as there are no valleys in the roof design. The screws holding corrugated sheet metal bend over and eventually tear out over time due to snow buildup, bottom layer ice formation, and eventual migration of accumulated snow/ice down slope. I see this on mountainous area cabins where they get a lot of snow. So called “fat boy” fasteners have been employed to curb bending but eventually even they get worked out where moisture seeps under the screw seal washer, freezes, expands, pulling the screw up bit by bit over time. If a cabin was built where the roof has a valley, neither roofing type will stand up. The ridges of corrugated, and seams of standing seam, sheet metal roofs can allow ice and snow to accumulate massively in the valleys. As thawing commences slope accumulations begin to migrate down slope into the valley of both slopes causing haphazard build-up and creating “glaciers”. These eventually become so large/heavy they overcome the strength of materials and migrate down valley while tearing out/through obstructions in path. Think what ridges and seams of either roofing type do, they act as obstructions, not to slope but to down valley migration. I’ve seen several feet of slope of corrugated sheet metal roofs get mashed/ twist over / torn off in and above the valleys of these roofs. No type of fastener, sheet metal roofing type can stop this type of damage unless the surface is completely smooth or valleys nonexistent.
@coloradocowboy3073
Жыл бұрын
Get rid of the music. Why in the world do you have that stupid music playing??
@carcasscruncher9354
3 жыл бұрын
@Anon ymouse I am not the producer of this vid but i can tell you some things. Standing seam vs. Exposed fasteners. 1)I have not done many standing seam roofs. However, they definitely are not fastened to the roof as well as exposed fastener roofs. Exposed fastener roofs are screws down every 6 inches or so horizontally and every two ft vertically. Standing seam is not...and have way less fasteners. 2) exposed fastener roofs do not have a neoprene washer as this guy stated. The washers are made out of EPDM which is a rubber that lasts 30 plus years and is used on full 100x10 ft rolls (weighing in around 450lbs) of EPDM on commercial roofs( big buildings). Exposed fastener metal roofs are durable and also increase the value of the home. 3) exposed fastener roofs are way faster to install. Which costs less in labor. 4) in my opinion standing seam is boring looking. Think of the jeeps that have exposed bolts and nuts and stuff...they look cool as shit. Standing seam looks way less cool. 5) if a tree branch falls on standing seam you have to take the roof off from one side and potentially to the other to replace a panel. That is not the case with exposed fastener roofs. So think about the labor costs on that one. 6)exposed fastener roofs are easier and faster to install. They are easier to repair. They are warranted for about the same amount of time. 7) if you have a house and getting a roof any of the metal roofs add value to the home. They might just last 50 years. Warranted for 35 for exposed fastener. Think about that. Talk to more roofers. The make your decision. Exposed fastener is cheaper and lasts just about as long. (There is some preventive maintenance that isnt necessary until you get leak but just to prevent a leak, which would only happen at a screw, is to have the screws replaced before the warranty is up.) That's my take. I've done a lot of roofing. Take this information or discard it. Hope that helps. Oh, and metal roofs will fade over time, but will still way outlast shingles for sure. Edit: @7:16 he shows a ridge cap that appears to have a gap that wind blown rain can get into. Again, this is his sales pitch. That gap you see is caused by a waterproof seal that expands under the metal. That is not, I repeat, that is not a leak. @7:30 he says standing seam has no seam. If that is the case then why is it called standing "seam"? It absolutely has a seam. That is like saying bacon isn't bacon, or that we are comparing peaches to pairs hear and peaches don't have an acidic citrus value while pairs do. Think about that.
@MeMe-ur6bg
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought you get what you pay for. Not in this case! I went with Hy-Grade roofing even though they were by far the most expensive quote I received. Worst decision I could have made. They promised to install the roof in 4-6 weeks, of course they were late. When they finally showed up without the proper equipment and they damaged my property. They are really proud of the “Quality Audit” that they do, but of course they won’t give you a copy of the audit…lol BTW - the “Quality Audit” they did at my house consisted of 2 guys coming over to pickup the leftover junk they left at my house for a month. They never even went up on the roof! Horrible customer service experience! Save your money use someone else!
@wdsracer
2 жыл бұрын
Who cares. This is not what this video is about and your experience with the company you hired has nothing to do with this video.
@dollyhadbraces9361
2 жыл бұрын
@@wdsracer i care this has made me decide to do it myself so ... now what ?
@wdsracer
2 жыл бұрын
@@dollyhadbraces9361 so go ahead and do it yourself and let us know how it turned out lol....
@WTHshedoingnow
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining the difference! I have a 50 year old standing seam roof that I need to replace. The roof still doesn't leak. The only reason I'm replacing it is because the edges are coming up and are bent.
@TheGregWallace
Жыл бұрын
Just repair what you have..
@MrSporthead1
2 жыл бұрын
There is nothing said about cost, which makes me think it’s more expensive 🤔
@quicksilver462
2 жыл бұрын
I wanted to use standing seam on the re-roof of my 1000 sq/ft home, the SS was going to be about 3-4x the cost of the shingles, ...so.... shingles went on and I did it myself!
@justinobiako6940
2 жыл бұрын
The standing seam metal roofing isn't so common in Nigeria... But watching you now, you've roused my curiosity to try to use it.
@emihl9792
2 жыл бұрын
I was told chimney techs will not take responsibility for walking on a metal roof will necessitate a boom lift to reach chimney?
@1967brokedude
4 жыл бұрын
Pre drill all holes on the corrigated pannel !! Saves rubber washer from tearing. Use white only = less expantion. For underlayment use 1/2 lap 15# felt and then install 1/4" fan fold foam board.. It will last a long long time.
@drkeybler
4 жыл бұрын
Good video, but wow, you just kept talking circles on the expansion/contraction part.
@jak71113
Жыл бұрын
That was the longest segment too. Like trying to make the word count for an essay
@mischermer4767
2 жыл бұрын
Never mentioned the difference in cost and installation costs.
@morethanovercomer
2 жыл бұрын
Sales tactic, the screw doesn't go where you placed it, it screws on the highest spot for 2 reasons, one is if the rubber fails the water still won't get in, two, with expansion and contraction the screw can move with it
@kennethwers
10 ай бұрын
Combined with Ice guard under the steel. It would last longer than the paint.
@rogerpilkenton4519
Жыл бұрын
A lot of metal rooves are installed without underlayment. That underlayment would seem a good idea to save the wooden purlin and screw connection. I see screws and nails coming free from the purlins due to the moisture of condensation getting caught on the purlins. The resulting rust over time deteriorates the wooden purlin. I haven't tried, but I'd like to see more of the screws inserted through the top of the panel ridges. I'm curious how hammering or screwing the screws affect the surface of the ridges. Would they get mashed or dimpled and cause a water ponding or building up instead of shedding the water? I've observed a surprising amount of water from condensation shed under the roof panels. The type of wood used for purlins might affect the duration of the roof as well.
@Jennifer_Prentice
2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the largest difference ... Price. Low income people can not afford your fancy standing seam . I was given estimate of around 16 grand for sanding seam on my house alone but got my house AND garage done for 6 grand with exposed . Ill go up on my roof every few years and check screws first..
@williamhargreaves2711
3 жыл бұрын
Your comments on length, paint and gauge are dependent upon what manufacturer makes the panel. Some make both types out of the same material. And if you use thicker material you can make longer corrugated panels. You also didn’t get into the disadvantages of standing seam.
@spencerhansen8374
Жыл бұрын
There are none in a sales pitch.. just pay him to install standing seam, please.
@CD-hc5ds
Жыл бұрын
Hmm. Have used screws here in S. Calif. on many projects some about 15 years old now with no issues, 110* in the summer, 20-30s in the winter. Some of the projects have housed $30,000-$80,000 worth of astronomy equipment. When installed correctly i feel its a pretty solid system.
@thomasmoss1066
Жыл бұрын
They have screws that cover the washer for the corrugated metal roof. You can also put your screws on the high part of the corrugated metal roof (Likely never leak.) Corrugated metal is not usually 29 gauged. 24 and 26 is more common. However the expansion and contraction is a strong point for standing seam. After 10 - 15 years replacing your screws on a corrugated metal is a good idea for maintenance ($ 1,500 - $ 3,000). One can also use purlins (1x4) nailed to roof creating an air gap helping one with insulation and reducing expansion and contraction damage (I do not know about standing seam. To me it came down to cost. I paid about 50% more for my corrugated roof than shingles. I have a 10/12 pitch and it ate my shingles alive. However it was about another 50% increase to step up to standing seem. I'm sure all regions are different with the cost structure. Standing Seems is also better if you want solar in the future. I have a southern looking home in Florida so the corrugated on my 20 acres seem to be a better architectural choice. If money is not a concern, standing seams like a better choice. Florida just overhauled the laws in regards to roof damage complicating the cost benefit of better roofing.
@da324
Жыл бұрын
I put a corrugated roof on myself in Fl. also and love it. Make sure to stick to the manufacturers guidelines for screws. Mine had to go in the flats to keep from voiding the warranty.
@thomasmoss1066
Жыл бұрын
@@da324 where I'm at the screws on any edge has to go in the flats for wind up lift, but above the roofs edge you can be on top of the corrugated section.
@da324
Жыл бұрын
@thomasmoss1066 My manufacturer said two screws on each side of the ridge of the corrugated roof at the top and bottom. Between the top and bottom, they have to be every 12". I put 1x4's on the deck one foot apart under the metal to land the screws. I have an out building I built 20 yrs ago, and that manufacturer said the ridge. Never had a leak on that roof.
@jameskennedy1414
2 жыл бұрын
The whole house breaths everything expands and contracts
@johnossendorf9979
3 жыл бұрын
Thirty two years ago I worked for a year in a sheet metal shop owned by Al a 70 year old man who grew up working in his family's sheet metal shop. I didn't do much installation but I did bend up a lot of single and double lock standing seam pans by hand useing an 10 foot break, in galvanized, copper, one lead coated copper job and hundreds and hundreds of attachment clips. I doubt I'll ever have a copper standing seam roof on my own house but I will have a coated steel standing seam roof one day. Al sold me on standing seam when I was 18 for many of the same reasons laied out in this video being, no attachment penetrations and the ability to expand and contract. Ps. When I asked Al how long a lead coated copper roof would last he said "the building will probably fall down before the roof ever fails". It was a new concrete block building and this was its first roof.
@stevegrindell210
3 жыл бұрын
I've been there too buddy. Hardly anyone does it that way anymore and I think the handbroke metal looks so much better
@hlll6233
4 жыл бұрын
What about price
@Pentdog
3 жыл бұрын
What's the wind resistance on either? 🤔
@mustangecoboosthpp3869
10 ай бұрын
Put it this way, many standing seam roofs have lost panels in storms, if you loose an exposed fastener panel in a storm you will have also have lost the plywood, so even if you had a standing seam roof once the storm is strong enough to remove the plywood standing seam will not help you. As for snap lock panels FEMA after inspecting roofs after storms says that snap lock panels are the worst preforming metal roofs.
@M14-d2r
2 жыл бұрын
Does he tell you standing seam is about two to three times more expensive?
@justinjawort8549
2 жыл бұрын
I've done at least 500 corrugated Roofing jobs most of the screws I would guarantee them with the washers to last at least 20 years probably closer to 30 I've done roof 25 years ago in the screws are still fine no leaks
@ThomasGrillo
2 жыл бұрын
All too often, contractors drive aluminum fasteners into steel, which sets up for electrolytical corrosion, a problem which plagued the aircraft industry, in the early, to mid 20th century. In roofing, this leads to widening holes, and tears, around fasteners, in addition to the thermal expansion, and contraction related tearing of panels, and popping out of fasteners. Thanks for sharing this.
@mikebeasley553
2 жыл бұрын
Do tell me about these aluminum fasteners? I've never seen a n aluminum fastener and would never use one as it would be soft and probably break.
@ThomasGrillo
2 жыл бұрын
@@mikebeasley553 They're out there. I made the mistake of buying a box of screws, and got them, because they were cheaper. They were aluminum. Nearly every head broke off, about 3/4 the way through.
@mikebeasley553
2 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasGrillo That would be my prediction.
@everythingmatters6308
2 жыл бұрын
It's called galvanic corrosion.
@ThomasGrillo
2 жыл бұрын
@@everythingmatters6308 Nope. When differing metals are in contact with each other it's electrolytic corrosion. Galvanic corrosion is the result of oxidation from prolonged exposure to the air. Trust me, I got that directly from a metallurgist, who corrected me on that, as I got it backwards on a test. LOL
@ellz_b3415
3 жыл бұрын
We're installing a standing seam roof on a construction project I've got here in the U.K - didn't have a clue what this type of roof was until this video - very informative, thank you!
@JulianParry1
3 жыл бұрын
Have you sourced a contractor? I'm at the planning stage for a project using standing seam and could do with a recommendation 👍
@christopherspick5111
2 жыл бұрын
@@JulianParry1 just saw your comment, I've been installing zinc copper aluminium and stainless standing seam roofing in the UK for the last 48 yrs if you'd like to get in touch,
@sniper11888
6 ай бұрын
Hi, who supplied you with the standing seam roof sheets?
@jackstone6275
2 жыл бұрын
pretty good job over explaining the differences I have been putting metal roofs on since 1977 huge commercial jobs steel mills factories schools churches power plants maybe I'm just lucky but we do not use Amish screws with the little rubber gaskets we use commercial grade screws into Steel I have never had him back out one thing I am curious about he said no screws go into the sheeting on all the commercial jobs I've ever done according to the prince you have to put screws in the top for the sheet and the bottom I did not see this on your sheathing on your standing seam by the way all the commercial sheathing I've worked with I'm standing scene have slide clips so if you didn't pin the bottom and a top everything would slide down hill and if your clips do not slide then there is no expansion and contraction do that roof sheet by the way I have put standing-seam roofs from Florida the Minnesota and literally hundreds of Acres of roof
@universalradio6944
Жыл бұрын
We never screw down iron roofing through the flat section, always through the raised. Never leaks.
@bluethunder1951
Жыл бұрын
Awesome information! My question is around installation, can standing seam be installed over top of corrugated? My corrugated roof is now 22 years old and needs an upgrade, we live in the snow belt and usually by mid February the snow and ice builds up on the roof and doesn’t slide off easily, it slowly creeps down because of the exposed screw heads, and the overhang can get to four feet before it breaks off. We are going to replace the roof this summer with standing seam regardless of wither we can go over it or not.
@ahowl7mx
2 жыл бұрын
Favorite part of standing seem roofing is that solar panel mounts clip into the seems without penetrating the roof. Probably the best part of the entire install. No skill required.
@JWW187
2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking at standing seam for the same reason. Seeing this video, and looking at the other performance features makes this a no brainer.
@masshultzy6449
3 жыл бұрын
The standing seem roof also conforms to the shape of your roof even if you have underlayment. If you have just the slightest imperfection in the roof, it will show it. They call it oil canning.
@johnatyoutube
3 жыл бұрын
No, oil canning is when expansion from the sun causes the metal to arch up like the bottom of an oil can. That's why they call it oil canning. That's why you need striations in the metal to absorb the expansion. Totally flat metal oil cans terribly.
@masshultzy6449
3 жыл бұрын
I did not go to the scientific library, rather people I've talked to in the Metal Roofing business, say that they call any expansion and contraction due the sun or weather is "sometimes" referred to as oil canning. However I did look google this "Oil canning is defined as the perceived waviness of a metal panel and is an inherent characteristic of light-gauge, cold-rolled flat metal products. In other words, it's a visual phenomenon that makes metal panels look wavy or somewhat distorted, especially in the broad, flat areas of a metal roof or wall system". I'm not arguing this, it's just an analysis.
@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558
2 жыл бұрын
@@masshultzy6449 So do I understand that you're pointing out an aesthetic advantage of corrugated screw-down roofing?
@Deontjie
Жыл бұрын
On a hot day the clips/brackets on a concealed fix roof can show as dents through the sheets. Not a problem for most.
@0716llesh
2 жыл бұрын
Never mind. I'll just use asphalt shingle and not to have to worry about expansion & extraction.
@gvaldezcurrie
15 күн бұрын
i appreciate the video very professional. i was hoping you were going to include comparison for sub surface requirements AND A ROUGH COST COMARISON I WOULD LOVE TO INVEST IN STANDING SEAM. I HAVE A HIGH PITCHED ROOF 1932 CEDAR shingles nailed directly to horizontal true 1 x no underlayment. Approximately 30 years ago Asphalt shingles were reroofed on top of existing. No tear off, no sheathing added. The attic height approx 20 ft and 42 wide.Basically a rectangular layout in Southern California, ( snow present in the yard once in 1978). My QUESTION: .If only ridged insulation panels are required and additional horizontal nailers I hoping to save on the traditional costs of wood sheathing underlayment using asphalt shingles. Am I out in left field on this or what.
@colinsmith7884
2 жыл бұрын
I have put on standing seam on some condos, the company that produced the standing seam had a dog leg on the receiving seam. No claps just screw into the dog leg.
@larrynorsworthy8582
2 жыл бұрын
The standing seam panels will walk down the roof from expanding and contracting.
@davidhorsley1149
2 жыл бұрын
In my area, the manufacturer/supplier of the standing seam metal, recommends two screws at the ridge on every panel. These are covered by the ridge cap and prevent the panels from sliding down. He probably didn't mention it in the video because it would have diminished his selling point on the standing seam's expansion/contraction. Another thing I didn't hear mentioned in his video is the fact that each standing seam panel is higher in cost than the corrugated (in my area), and it takes 3 panels to cover the same distance in the length of the roof.
@billwilliam8146
2 жыл бұрын
Since I'm old school that doesn't really matter my biggest issue is how much does it cost .
@johngallati8164
Жыл бұрын
WHY are metal roofs so expensive when they are alot easier to do than shingles!!!??? Makes no sense what so ever.I THINK IF CONTRACTORS WERE MORE HONEST THEY WOULD GET MORE BUSINESS..WHAT A SHAME.
@tommyodonovan3883
3 жыл бұрын
I wanna start my own Standing Seam Metal Roofing company here in North Texas (aka 51st State [nee] Alberta Canada), I wanna do my house its 16yrs old needs new shingles, I will use a SSMR system but *1st....* I wanna VB, 4" insulation sheeting, slats (breathability/>thermal bridging) then the SSMR.... 100 Fiddy year roof. (Paint every Fiddy yrs) With the roof insulation,.....Home Skill..... that alone is worth 400per yr ave NA home, in heating/cooling $, not to mention the $ in being comfortable in your own home Apt without going broke. See Matt Reisinger (Texan) Homes Building Homes (Anything really) With *SCIENCE,* See also MR's *"500yr House"*
@tommyodonovan3883
3 жыл бұрын
*On YT
@Imwright720
3 жыл бұрын
No exposed fasteners has to be better. I like the seam where the robot makes it. I trust robots over humans. They don’t get tired and lazy.
@bladeswelove
2 жыл бұрын
When are they coming out with lifelike robot wives?
@PaulHenreid
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent training video. Standing seam metal roofs are the most solar friendly too because of the S-5-S clamp.
@daydreamer77w46
Ай бұрын
They have just recently came out with a ROLL OUT METAL!!🤑🚨 HOW LONG BEFORE WE SEE IT UP FOR Purchasing OR AT LEAST WHERE WE CAN CAN ORDER IT!!
@jamesoncross7494
9 ай бұрын
If they used silicone washers they would last much longer than neoprene washers. The biggest difference ALWAYS comes down to COST. You forgot to talk about COST. Uh-huh.
@Tim111-i7d
2 жыл бұрын
I'm puzzled to your explanation to swelling and contraction as far as the clips go, I install standing seam roofs about 8 to 10 times a year and I am a firm believer that its the best roofing solution on the market also the most expensive but let's be honest here all standing seam roofs will have screws in the panel itself, or maybe you could explain how the z channel is attached at cap , end wall flashing, transition points and outside rake enquiring minds would like to know
@scientificapproach6578
Жыл бұрын
The video shows the clip attached to the roof but only clipped to the panel. This allows the panel to expand and contract without pulling on the screw. The metal panel is simply sliding up and down through the clip.
@Tim111-i7d
Жыл бұрын
@scientificapproach6578 you never answered my question and I do understand your response to the clip system , the screw down system has slots for the same reason but MY POINT is the roof still has trim that has to be screwed through the panels and I mean ALL TRIM trust me I know what I'm taking about I install about 10 of these roofing systems a year
@sierraecho884
8 ай бұрын
I don´t think I have ever seen a corrugated roof on a residential building ever. I don´t even think it´s legal here to install a roof like that for the same reasons you described, it´s not up to code. The only places where I have ever seen this kind of roof are some 3rd world countries where people just have no other choice and this kind of material is very valuable. Our material is usually 21 gauge. We use Titanium/Zinc alloy or copper. It is rarely painted, it usually is either blank are "pre-patina treated" where it´s evenly greyish in color. I have always liked metal roofs, their only downside is they are expensive and not easy to make properly.
@davidpetersen1
Жыл бұрын
Sheesh.. screws on the ridge?.. screws on the flats? Find out what the manufacturer recommends and install it accordingly. Otherwise improper installation will void the warranty. If you have a specific way you think it should be done find a manufacturer who agrees with your line of thinking.
@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity
7 ай бұрын
No leaks in any of my corrugated metal roofs after 23 years. You know why? Use oak 1x4’s 16” apart, light colored roofing and don’t overtighten your screws.
@paulmaxwell8851
2 ай бұрын
I've built a lot of buildings using exposed-fastener 29 gauge steel roofing. I regret it now. Yes, I saved lots of money. But in the long run it would have been smarter to go with standing seam. I'm now looking seriously at tearing off my twelve-year-old metal roofing to upgrade to standing seam, as I'm tired of needing to retighten hundreds and hundreds of screws every year.
@MartyMcFryyy
2 жыл бұрын
Well what did I learn from this............ That American's apparently can't install decent, long lasting corrugated roof builds for shit.
@billdylan1600
6 ай бұрын
German here, first: Standing seam is always better. But to allow expansion, contraction in the metall you dont screw in the overlap you use ribets there or just use metal glue... actualy easy and logical, never understood ppl doin that anyway, even better would be a folding technique in that part to not need any fasteners. Standing steam...if i start its gonna be a long text so to keep it "short" the product "Rheinzink" is nice but proly neache in the us, but the advertisers over there, if they have the same understanding of the product like they have in there origin, they can teach you how its done. Your product looks like it can handle the low price of corrugated sheets and i doubt Rheinzink can, but the technique to fold the metall into eachother is a whole other story, we had/have a own job description in germany only for that depending on the region of germany. I mean look at those valleys, if you would just use a strip of metal and ribet them down and use those to hang in the other sheets they wouldnt blow up that much. Just ask them to show you the detailed architectural drawings, for all kinda parts of the roof to get some ideas. US is on the way to get alot better roofings then you guys had in the past!
@rodneyrtennis1279
Жыл бұрын
Just couldn't continue to watch this video. Background Music was a major distraction. Is it a KZitem requirement to have Background Music in all videos?
@tonylawrence9157
Жыл бұрын
This, very poorly argued, adverisement is dishonestly presented and based on lies. I have worked extensively with all kinds of metat sheeting rooves over the last sixty years and I base my remarks on facts. Everything this man is saying is either outright lies or gross exagerations. The favourale coments lead me to suspect their sources and integrities. Bloke from Aus.
@pchris6662
2 жыл бұрын
So let me see here. After listening to your whole video where you repeat yourself at least 5 times for every point (annoying by the way). There are lots of reasons why standing seam is better than corrugated and apparently there are no disadvantages…none. Wow, amazing. Why does anyone use corrugated then? Why don’t we just pass a law?
@REVNUMANEWBERN
8 ай бұрын
I'm told the standing seam is significantly HIGHER $$$ in price, was considering such for out less than 1500 sq ft home
@joshrandall3632
2 жыл бұрын
Can't hardly tell you sell standing seam roofing. My take away was a corrugated roof needs the fasteners replaced about every 10 years and might benifit from a paint job in the process.
@Deontjie
Жыл бұрын
So I should have replaced the screws on my roof twenty years ago?
@a-a-ron2336
6 ай бұрын
Nobody's mentioned that standing seem roofs in a bad storm come off in one giant sheet. Corrugated typically either folds or comes off in pieces. One you have to replace the whole roof the other you just repair panels. ✌️
@gmgunner
11 ай бұрын
Crazy how 9-10 years is terrible... but the cost is literally half. Also there are mitigation efforts to prevent the failing gaskets, not to mention proper installation.
@StevenBennett-h2b
2 ай бұрын
I work on homes in Richmond va that are over 200 years old with the original standing seam roof. Good luck with that Chinese made metal crap nowadays.
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