When Voyager stopped at DS9 in the first episode, Harry could have potentially been served his drink by a young Ferengi helping in his uncle's bar. When Voyager returned home, that Ferengi outranked Harry in Starfleet.
@Finians_Mancave
2 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
Harry's rank made sense... for about two seasons. It was acceptable for season 3, questionable for season 4, stupid for season 5, idiotic for season 6, and a deliberate insult to the fans in season 7, illustrated by the fact that they rubbed our nose in it more than once.
@beyerdr
2 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious and true.
@Mugiwara2k
2 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, you're right! God, that's just embarrassing for Harry, lol
@gwenthomas2530
2 жыл бұрын
why cou;dnt he just rank up? istg hes gonna be ensign till the day he dies 😂
@robertgirau7339
2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see this list for Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Archer.
@DanielConlon739
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I always feel like Janeway gets unfairly treated by fans when compared to the other captains. I wonder why? 🤔
@Goulmy86
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@BTScriviner
2 жыл бұрын
@@DanielConlon739 Surely you're not suggesting something like sexism, are you? 😉
@emilyreich7548
2 жыл бұрын
100%, lay out all the captains' dirty laundry 😈
@jakem5037
2 жыл бұрын
@@DanielConlon739 Tuvix!
@TarkinBaroth
2 жыл бұрын
Ensign Kim becoming a Captain was probably Janeway’s greatest hint that the future wasn’t the way it should be. I notice those time police never came after her for doing what she did.
@wallacewallaby5782
2 жыл бұрын
The time police didn't want Harry promoted either.
@GKHTS
2 жыл бұрын
Those time police were useless because they never came around at all other than than the episodes about them which weren't about her screwing up the timeline.
@rexex345
2 жыл бұрын
@@GKHTS the time police aren't very good ever... Lest we forget Daniels and his DBZ level death count.
@GKHTS
2 жыл бұрын
@@rexex345 Yes but at least there , there was a temporal war which would be chaotic as opposed to being police and monitoring and just intervening.
@rexex345
2 жыл бұрын
@@GKHTS fair point, still doesn't change the fact by all accounts they're ineffective if not outright self defeating in a war and lazy af when there isn't one
@BigJeremyBeyer
2 жыл бұрын
Endgame, Relativity bridge. Ops Officer: Captain, we got another temporal ping from Voyager. Captain: Dammit, Janeway. Will you ever quit? Lay in a course for.... Science Officer (interrupting him): Sir, it would appear she will quit if we allow this one to happen. Captain: Lt? SO: Yes sir, I can confirm it. If we fix it, she will definitely do it again several more times. If we let it go, she will never do it again. Captain: Let the record show that the temporal sensors required calibration, ad they were detecting an event which was previously rectified.
@Rick_Cleland
2 жыл бұрын
🥺🥺🥺
@tristangoodfellow9180
2 жыл бұрын
Blooming heck people! In Janeway's estimation Species 8472 was a greater threat then the Borg! "Your Galaxy will be purged", ring any bells. Besides we saw multiple times throughout TOS, TNG & DS9, Starfleet working with their enemies i.e. Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and Jem Hadar!
@joshuareynolds23
4 ай бұрын
Sounds like a lot of excuses for literally making the biggest threat in the universe a bigger threat.
@TheP3NGU1N
2 жыл бұрын
Still my favorite captain. :puts fingers in ears: lalalalalal can't hear you!
@awkordrago5067
2 жыл бұрын
Picard then Janeway for me
@rd6416
Ай бұрын
Picard might beat out Janeway as my favourite too EXCEPT for his obsession with playing that fucking recorder (flute). 😂
@ZeroArmour
2 жыл бұрын
In Caretaker you condemn her for not putting her crew first, then in Scorpion you take her to task for putting her crew first. Make up your mind!
@PetersonZF
2 жыл бұрын
That's this whole list in a nutshell.
@VagrantWulf
2 жыл бұрын
"UGG BUNGA! BIG MAN SHO-VIN-IZ-ZUM HAZ NO PLACE FOR STOOPID VULKAYNEEUN LOJICKS."
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
Except for the matter of Harry Kim, every decision on this list can at least be understood, if not condoned. But not promoting Harry was indefensible.
@monsterx3055
Жыл бұрын
captian should always put crew first its there job
@monsterx3055
Жыл бұрын
@@oddish4352 i disagree, from a military standpoint ( same style of chain of command used in star trek) she was at best dangerously incompetent's, and at worst a flat out criminal. her character would have been better if she didnt start as captian, but was the highest ranking bridge crew member to survive and forced to be a leader then her mistakes would be interesting and forgivable.
@Thanos730000
2 жыл бұрын
Some hard core mental gymnastics in this one
@frankharr9466
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Kathy's been a bad girl all right. She's also been tested a LOT. I've been given to understand that in Kate Mulgrew's head, Janeway suffered pretty severe PTSD. That adds so much depth to the character. Poor Harry.
@greendryerlint
2 жыл бұрын
I think Kate had some leftover PTSD from when she was a soap opera star before Voyager..
@frankharr9466
2 жыл бұрын
@@greendryerlint It was good training.
@alainamarie4928
2 жыл бұрын
"Wishywashy Captain" he said but in context it's normal and human to regret things and to deal with ptsd in extreme ways when you have time to reflect like how she did in that void
@frankharr9466
2 жыл бұрын
@@alainamarie4928 I hadn't thought about that. But that makes sens.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
@The Critic But every timeline where he did either didn't happen or was declared non-canonical.
@Woogoo336
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda forgetting that the species in scorpion promised to destroy all life in the galaxy. And they were capable too. Janeway made the right call.
@batgurrl
2 жыл бұрын
That’s right, your galaxy will be purged are ‘fighting words’
@Goulmy86
2 жыл бұрын
Details...
@ScaryBaldMan
2 жыл бұрын
Still, that's a problem for later. And now you have warning and even a little intelligence. She should have said, "dang, sucks to be the Borg right now," and let 8472 finish them. Then watch from a distance with the popcorn.
@batgurrl
2 жыл бұрын
@@ScaryBaldMan the warning about purging your galaxy is nothing to ‘worry about later’
@robbieaussievic
2 жыл бұрын
..... I'm with species 8472, pesky bi-pedal placental mammals.
@rylansato
2 жыл бұрын
If Tuvix was murdered then so was Locutus when he was turned back into Picard.
@oddish4352
11 ай бұрын
As was Verad Dax, when the symbiont was taken from him and returned to Jadzia.
@RandomYT05_01
2 жыл бұрын
Even by 81, Kim was STILL and ensign, while Tom Paris was promoted to lieutenant senior grade. I would not be surprised when Harry Kim dies someday, they say that they regret never promoting him at his eulogy, then they give him an honorary promotion, then it turns out he is not dead yet, and he left his funeral finnaly as a lieutenant.
@jenniferwilliams9612
2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@GrymmSoul
2 жыл бұрын
.....only to have Janeway demote him back down, to restore the balance in the galaxy.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
Logically, he probably only had to call Nog "sir" for a few days. Then, Starfleet almost certainly dropped plus-two promotions on all the ensigns and junior lieutenants (except Tom, who had already been promoted). Nog would have had to call Harry "sir" then. If he gets a CO who would ignore that reprimand (like Will "banged alien women right and left" Riker), I could even see Harry being considered for a LCDR's post.
@alunrundle162
2 жыл бұрын
That 'Alien race beating the Borg' also stated - to Janeway - that they were going to wipe out ALL life in the Galaxy. Janeway made the only choice she could at that point as, as far as she knew, ONLY the Borg' could stop them.
@NinjaFlibble
2 жыл бұрын
feels like this script was written by a Voyager hater, since some of these choices do make sense in the context of the story
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
If that one 8472 hadn't been so dickish when Kes happened to be listening, Janeway might have realized who the actual bad guys were.
@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective
Жыл бұрын
Which as we later find out, was completely untrue. As the only reason 8192 attacked was of course because the Borg had invaded their space. And we had no evidence to suggest that were true, but I will devil's advocate the fact 8192 did attack Harry and beat him to a pulp. I also would've added her actions in Memorial where she advocated preserving a memorial that had caused her entire crew to suffer from PTSD under the idiotic logic that the only way people would learn not to make mistakes was by experiencing them.
@alunrundle162
Жыл бұрын
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective It was only made completely untrue when the creators, in their infinite wisdom - stop laughing at the back! - decided to retcon that in.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective And we find out in "In the Flesh", 8472 wasn't that bad when they didn't have their dander up about the Borg. Too bad Janeway didn't look into that earlier.
@robertfalk3767
2 жыл бұрын
Janeway did the right thing with Tuvix, and you can't put the Q civil war on Janeway.
@gothix5868
2 жыл бұрын
Neelix sucked. Worst character ever, followed by the doctor. I preferred Tuvok but liked Tuvix over Neelix. Neelix should have died.
@piperdragon3200
2 жыл бұрын
@@gothix5868 The problem is that it wasn't just Neelix that would have remained dead, but Tuvok as well. I don't know what I would have done, but you never would have had Tuvok and Tuvix
@robbieaussievic
2 жыл бұрын
.... I would have programmed the transporter to create 'Neelvox'.
@reginaldbrown1073
2 жыл бұрын
Agree. Leaving Tuvix around would be killing Tuvok and Neelix. Lets not forget Tuvok has a wife and kids. It was an impossible situation but it was also an accident.
@tiagopatricio3805
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix is that debate:: Kill 2 people to save 1 or Kill 1 person to save 2!!!!
@FoxyAlphaRogerTango
2 жыл бұрын
You use Picard as a metric to demonize Janeway in the Lower Deck part. Then you turn around and claim she's blood thirsty with the Equinox as if Sisko didn't have a multi-episode arc where he hunted down Eddington including poisoning a planet's atmosphere
@Grizzly_Adams.
2 жыл бұрын
Which episode was that? I want to see it
@FoxyAlphaRogerTango
2 жыл бұрын
@@Grizzly_Adams. Eddington is first introduced in season 3's The Adversary, is his entry, but Season 5's For the Cause and For the Uniform is where you get the bloodthirsty hunt.
@FoxyAlphaRogerTango
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the double 'where introduced' part. Got lost in the weeds checking episodes 😂
@njb1126
2 жыл бұрын
@@FoxyAlphaRogerTango YOU BETRAYED YOUR UNIFORM!
@deannatroiofthemyscira8558
2 жыл бұрын
blocked and reported 🥺
@aj_chan
2 жыл бұрын
12:00 Sean: "I hope she doesn't see this list..." (Janeway puts her hands on her hips)
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
Watch out... Janeway doesn't even fear fear itself... fear itself fears Kathryn Janeway.
@CookeeQapla
2 жыл бұрын
B'elanna absolutely was right to be Chief Engineer. If you want to merge those two crews, you have to give maquis senior positions.
@kitchean
2 жыл бұрын
Ya, and it wasn't like she was given the job as a token Maquis. She proved she knew more than the other candidate for the job
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
If B'Elanna had not assaulted Carey, I might have agreed. But she did. In light of this, she needed something like: Janeway confines her to quarters for a couple of days, and warns her that next time, it'll be the brig. You don't promote one person for assaulting a superior, and destroy another five years later for banging an alien.
@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective
Жыл бұрын
No, you don't which also brings up the idiotic decision of also not promoting Lt Commander Tuvok who'd more than earned the right far more so than Chakotay ever did. You don't reward terrorism and you don't give an impassioned hothead with no technical ability the role of engineer, make her chief of security if you want to make use of her talents don't actually give her a role that she can't perform.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective Chakotay I can see. He was a former Starfleet officer and, with his existing commission reactivated, was a higher rank than Tuvok. B'Elanna was a far more questionable choice. A better way of working it out would have been for Joe Carey to be Chief Engineer until Voyager reached Planet 37's. Then, he and the problem Maquis all jump ship. By this time, B'Elanna has calmed down and demonstrated her proficiency as an engineer to the other crew, making her a more natural fit for the job. They also should have had Durst be head operations officer until he was killed off, then Harry (still a wet behind the ears academy grad at that point) has to take over. And had him be in over his head for a few episodes. Just by making better use of a couple of unimportant characters, they could have developed the important ones.
@Realkeepa
Жыл бұрын
Why weite the name....b/elana?!?!?!belana
@AndrewD8Red
2 жыл бұрын
There was once a transporter malfunction, That lead to a bad situation. A signal was mixed, Now Tuvok and Neelix, Coexist until separation. Then Janeway made her decision, With two crewmembers technically missin' She weighed-up the cost, One life must be lost, To put Neelix back in the kitchen.
@Isador
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix or Leolaroot soup and Better-then-coffee for life... hmm... difficult.
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
"Transporter aberration" would rhyme better.
@aaronjjacques
2 жыл бұрын
Worse than rat given they knew about Thomas Riker. She choose to kill tuvix because she couldn't be bothered to duplicate the transporter accident
@swolfe9668
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvik was a better written character the Tuvok and Nielek combined
@Realkeepa
Жыл бұрын
😂why you tell whats in da video?
@martychisnall
2 жыл бұрын
Before erasing Captain Kim from existence she even threatens to demote him all the way back to Ensign just to get him to help her…
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
Which she effectively did anyway.
@tinarawson6607
2 жыл бұрын
Um... yeah... this video I can't get behind.
@allys537
2 жыл бұрын
The writers got together after the first season and made a secret pact to never promote ensign Kim.
@gcisbani
2 жыл бұрын
And she deleted the wife! You know when....
@francisschweitzer8431
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the Janeway retribution video….
@omf4ever
2 жыл бұрын
Harry Kim should have been a Lt. commander by the time they got back to the Alpha Quadrant
@brandonlink6568
2 жыл бұрын
The problem with that is you'd end up with a hierarchy like the original Enterprise where you end up with too many high ranking officers, they ended up with like 4 captains by the time they were done.
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
I'll say a full lieutenant (two gold pips). He should have gotten his hollow pip around midseason 3, and his second gold one maybe three years later.
@samanthaanrchy1331
2 жыл бұрын
I joke that Kim never ranked up because he was the only one who couldn't tell janeway and Chakotay had a thing going. Paris ranks up, tuvok ranks up, hell the Doctor gets his Emergency command holograph program.
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
I say Harry never ranked up because he didn't behave badly enough. Chakotay: Joins the Maquis... becomes first officer. Torres: Assaults her superior... promoted to chief engineer. Tom: Joins the Maquis... promoted to lieutenant. Go punch somebody, Harry. You'll have that hollow pip on your collar before the day is out.
@NinjaFlibble
2 жыл бұрын
it's too bad they didn't use the ECH more, in my opinion
@diegovitteri
2 жыл бұрын
Oh God... I explode on laughs with "is there no end to this woman's cruelty?" por Ensign Kim XD
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
It still pisses me off that when Harry merely reminds Janeway that it's been seven years and he's still an ensign, she downright accuses him of bucking for a promotion. That episode might have been mainly a "let's character assassinate Harry" fest, but far as I'm concerned, it made Janeway look pretty awful too.
@mtbelley
2 жыл бұрын
Um did anyone ask the plant if it wanted to be combined with 2 other aliens. No they didn't, Janeway was acting on it's best interests.
@dez7726
2 жыл бұрын
comparing the situation in #4 with Picard is unfair. I'm not an expert in ST shipbuilding but in the US Navy we have compartment placards that designate where and what a compartment is used for. As for Janeway it's hard to find where the crew hangs out. Sure they made it look nice on the show but it would have been a converted ammo storage where the crew would be playing spades or dominos
@warrenthomas7826
2 жыл бұрын
It's not unfair. Having watched that episode I can tell you in that scene she was looking for the guy at his duty location. She found the other two where they were hanging out without help.
@peterlane1391
Жыл бұрын
Um Janeway should still be able to find her way through a ship designed for like a hundred people after six years.
@Trikeboy2
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix shouldn't exist. What about Tuvok's family? When they get back to the Alpha Quadrant is she going to go up to Tuvok's wife and children and say "Surprise, your husband had a transporter accident and is now merged with a man called Neelix. I could have saved him but didn't because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Here you go, he's all yours".
@leondonnelly6271
2 жыл бұрын
Being a Vulcan family they would understand. Doesn’t justify murder.
@rylansato
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix wasn’t murdered. He was reverted back to his original proper components.
@TK-867
2 жыл бұрын
What the heck? Hope the other captains get the same treatment.
@A407RAC
2 жыл бұрын
Killing Tuvix? A "worst" thing? Heh, more like best decision she ever made XD
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
Killing Tuvix = restoring Neelix... only Kim's lonely pip can compete with this atrocious crime!
@laurenetong9654
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix was far more annoying than neelix, it was a good call ending him lol
@jimmym3352
2 жыл бұрын
@@laurenetong9654 I would have killed Neelix along with Tuvix.
@A407RAC
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimmym3352 honestly the best choice - end up with only Tuvok, win-win!
@piss-n-vinegar8457
2 жыл бұрын
I never enjoyed, or needed to see her in a romantic light. I did enjoy Q teasing her though 🤷🏻♀️
@VagrantWulf
2 жыл бұрын
There's a weird short-sightedness with Janeway that I often cynically wonder has more to do with her being a woman than... Oh, anything else, really. Here's a couple of things to consider: In a shorter tenure, Kirk got up to some equally terrible things. The difference in hte two, however, is that Janeway isn't trained for command. I want to repeat that point: She isn't trained for command. Yes, she's a captain, but her captaincy has always been of science vessels. She's not commanding a war or exploration ship, her every command has been of a research vessel. Voyager, too, is also a research vessel. A research vessel captain is trained more for handling a team of scientists, as they're sent on missions of research. Janeway just happened to find herself in a very unfortunate situation. You can find lists out there of things Kirk has done that dwarf the worst of Janeway's decisions. Yes, Kirk was an early Starfleet Captain, but he'd still had more training for that particular situation than Janeway had. Even Picard has done his fair share of terrible things-including a non-trivial amount of workplace sexism-and while those may not be as bad as Janeway's missteps, Picard had the best training of the era. Frankly, he should've done a lot better than he did. The point about withdrawing at certain times is also an unfair complaint. Janeway is a bubbly, giggly, wiggly, extraverted bimbo. She's a highly introverted, intelligent person because, to beat a dead horse and belabour the point-she's a research ship captain. Introverts can't be giggly-wigglers all the time, sometimes an introvert needs to withdraw to recharge. Just to push this point again, too... Kirk has done worse than Janeway ever did: kzitem.info/news/bejne/sGl3tJ2lcXqBY6g Janeway's a research captain. She did admirably in this role. So why does she get so much more shit than Kirk? I do wonder... Could it have something to do with her being a woman? It's absolutely, definitely, 100 per cent because she's a woman as no other captain is singled out like this. This is the part of the Trek fandom that depresses me the most. There's a stunning amount of sexism in the Trek fandom, way more than I would've expected. The problem with sexism too is that, like racism, a sexist doesn't realise they're being sexist because that's the state they've lived with all of their life. Unless a person is deeply introspective, they're not going to discover their own flaws.
@NinjaFlibble
2 жыл бұрын
might also be not a lot of people like Voyager (and odds are not all of that has to do with Janeway being female). I say this as someone who first got into Star Trek with Voyager, but it is not superbly written considering the circumstances. It could have been better if they pushed the isolated aspect more. This is not to say every item on the video's list is inexcusable--I think particularly Tuvix and allying with the borg are excusable given the information--but not everyone who doesn't like Voyager dislikes it because its captain was female. Not everything can be boiled down it and -ist or an -ism.
@CaptainFabulous84
2 жыл бұрын
Janeway's not bad, she's just sometimes written that way.
@AlwaysBolttheBird
2 жыл бұрын
To be fair its a show so if she is written bad she is bad
@CaptainFabulous84
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlwaysBolttheBird That buzzing sound you hear is the joke going right over your head.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainFabulous84 Jessica Rabbit. I get it. But it's also a statement that could be taken literally.
@janlinhart7914
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvix tripped and accidentally activated the transporter. Everyone knows that and the matter's closed.
@sps000111
2 жыл бұрын
During the segment on Tuvix, Sean says, "She elects." Did anyone else hear "Sheelix?"
@bonusbaby801
2 жыл бұрын
I swear...Tuvix makes it on to damn near EVERY ST:VOYAGER LIST!!!
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
Because it was an interesting and quite unique episode.
@kennyfordham6208
2 жыл бұрын
😆😆😆!!!
@woody4077
2 жыл бұрын
reportedly the actor playing harry kim asked for promotions on screen and was told by the producers "no someone has to be an ensign"
@tyranusfan
2 жыл бұрын
Which, if true, is really funny, since the Original cast had four captains and three commanders by their last movie. :D
@dff19707
2 жыл бұрын
The needs of the two outweigh the needs of the one. Janeway’s call was correct regarding Tuvix.
@jayc5942
2 жыл бұрын
Picard wins all contests, my friend.
@butterflyqueenuk
2 жыл бұрын
Admiral Janeway changed history so Harry never becomes a captain lol. I thought Tuvix was going to be #1
@TomsYT92
2 жыл бұрын
Janeway isn't responsible for the civil war among the Q they are. The Kazon were on the way and it would have taken several hours to reactivate the array and send Voyager home. They couldn't have survived another conflict with the ship so damaged. Species 8472 had the capability to wipe out all life in the galaxy and had made it known it was their intention. The Tuvix situation had no happy ending. Admiral going back devastated the Borg. If the change was unnecessary I would think the future Starfleet would have corrected it. Equinox was a Starfleet vessel so it fell to the only other Starfleet to stop them. Did she go to far yes but it's not the only time a Starfleet captain has done so. This list annoys me as once again Janeway is singled out for her choices when the other captains have made similar choices.
@NinjaFlibble
2 жыл бұрын
say what you will about Tuvix, it was perhaps the best Voyager episode. It put Janeway in a moral tough spot and didn't give her an 11th hour get-out-of-jail free card to preserve her morality. There *was* no right choice there only a question of the lesser of two evils, particularly because they let Tuvix take his time and ingratiate himself into the crew and become a character in his own right
@retropcgamer
2 жыл бұрын
When Janeway was "interrogating" a crew member of the Equinox, I was dumbstruck when I saw it. Her little vendetta & obsession with hunting down the Equinox made me think "She's gone off the rails, Chakotay should be the captain now."
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
He should have relieved and brigged her.
@MDE_never_dies
10 ай бұрын
Janeway went full Sisko. But atleast Sisko was honest with himself like "I've done really messed up stuff for The Federation" But there have been countless others who have gone too far and done questionable deeds in the name of "Preserving The Federation", Admiral Leighton and Admiral Ross come to mind. It becomes so easy to justify such actions. But atleast they had some justification, Janeway wasn't protecting the federation in the Delta Quadrant, she was trying to protect it's "Principles" but along the way she completely tossed those same principles out the window when she needed to. Captain Picard to me is the only Starfleet Officer who actually stuck to those principles completely, even when it went against the best interests of federation (Destroying the Borg with Hugh for instance). Picard would be shocked and appalled at some of the things Janeway did, Tuvix and the Equinox Interrogation for example, and then watching her go all Norah Satie high and mighty on Ransom.
@koga1330
2 жыл бұрын
Well Tuvix was not killed because he continued to live as Tuvok and Neelix. Also Tuvix was technically never born. I liked the character but it was the correct choice.
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
Tuvok and Neelix were not killed because they continued to live as Tuvix. The choice was correct only because she needed Tuvok back, but it was still a bad thing to do.
@apophis40123
Жыл бұрын
Harry saying that there wasnt a box on his chair, felt like an almost deliberate middle finger to janeway
@iconbearer
2 жыл бұрын
"is there no end to this womans cruelty" I laughed out loud at this lol
@Anarchist86ed
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, the real Ensign Kim really did die. The one who lived was actually the copy. So they actually killed him. Yeah. Most people don't know that. Naomi also died, and her copy lived.
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
Actually, they ALL died. On one "side", Harry and Naomi died. On the other, Janeway blew herself and Voyager and 347 Vidiians to Kingdom come, with only Harry and Naomi escaping alive. So everyone died, everyone lived, and Harry STILL should've been frickin' promoted!
@@tammymartinez7488 I think so she needed her freind and security cheif back
@lluisetmarco9525
2 жыл бұрын
Harry Kim.. he was an alternate copy. The real Kim explored deep space by himself...
@zoe-janesutherland4359
2 жыл бұрын
Man that's dark! Just like the deep space the original Kim "explored"
@AndrewD8Red
2 жыл бұрын
Picard: You seek new life, well there it sits! *points to Tuvix* Janeway: Where's the new life? Is it sat behind that weird transporter accident?
@ahhlewis_mapping
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha
@liquidjp
2 жыл бұрын
She was clearly mirror-universe Janeway!
@NixonRules963
10 ай бұрын
What makes Janeway's alliance with the Borg in Scorpion so heinous is that she later goes on to ally with Species 8472. We also see how many species fighting the Borg had pinned their hopes for survival on Species 8472 and when Janeway helped the Borg defeat them these species' last hope was gone. So essentially Janeway allied with the Borg against a Species that was friendly and intelligent (and willing to ally with Starfleet had she just put some effort into diplomacy) and this alliance directly led to the assimilation of at least one species.
@serjicalforce
2 жыл бұрын
Why are we blaming Janeway for all of this? Tuvix I understand, but also don't know what choice she had. But making chakotay 1st officer is the only way it would have worked. Why would she choose anyone else? I like your show, but I gotta say - did you even watch voyager? I know they are your opinions and I often share them, but definitely not this time. Lol agree to disagree. #janewaykicksass
@VagrantWulf
2 жыл бұрын
Don't expect logic-or even common sense-when male-chauvinism is in play.
@KEVMAN7987
2 жыл бұрын
"IS THERE NO END TO THIS WOMAN'S CRUELTY?!"
@Grizzly_Adams.
2 жыл бұрын
Dictators are never the good ones
@oddish4352
2 жыл бұрын
I actually agree about #1 because (1) it was a prolonged, protracted decision, and (2) there was no rational justification for it.
@thomashill6347
2 жыл бұрын
That is why I like Archer he is a trail blazer BUT EVERY CAPTIAN HAS MADE BAD CHOICE. Many would say THAT Captain Picard is the least offensive. But to be captain is no easy thing and AS FOR JANEWAY she was a long way from home
@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective
Жыл бұрын
This is spot on and as I'm sure we'll see with Captain Sisko's list if it ever come his acts will dwarf Janeways but he is the best captain of them all.
@mayjan74
2 жыл бұрын
So she was supposed to let Tuvok and Neelix die? She was supposed to let two people die so one could live? What about Tuvok’s family? They were supposed to lose him so some stranger could live? Janeway made the right call on that. Also, Carey wasn’t the engineer Torres was. Again, right call. Had Torres not been given the job Chakotay would’ve been the only Maquis rep in the senior staff. So yes, that was the right call too.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
A lot of actions on this list can be justified. Stranding the crew: maybe misguided, but noble. Choosing B'Elanna: if she hadn't assaulted Carey, this would have been just a personnel decision. Tuvix: Needs of the many vs. Needs of the one. Scorpion: She thought 8472 was planning galactic genocide. Night: She had reservations, and according to this very video, they were justified. Equinox: Stopping a mass murder. Not knowing her own ship: It's a good idea, but not required. The only ones where there is no reasonable justification are: Endgame: 3 lives vs. all of history, not a fair balance by any reason. Harry: There was absolutely no rational justification for this. None.
@peterlane1391
Жыл бұрын
Tuvok and Neelix were fused, not dead. You tell their families that's what happened. You don't snuff out a new life.
@joey_cordova_
2 жыл бұрын
#2 Kinda makes sense. But, perhaps she was meant to go back in time and get VOY home sooner. If she wasn't supposed to do that, Reativity or another ship would have stopped her.
@thecunninlynguist
2 жыл бұрын
this gonna be fun. Some predictions: Tuvix (obviously), Caretaker, latent image, end game, Equinox, Course: Oblivion (even if it was fake Janeway)
@RealBadGaming52
2 жыл бұрын
TUVIX Should have been number One , as its murder essentially
Tuvix is the worst character ever. Right up there with scrappy do.
@GoGreen1977
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but I have no problem with making Tuvok and Neelix two separate individuals again. I would have done the same.
@Donnagata1409
2 жыл бұрын
First rule: The Janeway can do no wrong! Second rule: In case she does, first rule applies. Third rule: The Janeway is the only way. Well, OK, I will watch that because of you, Sean. If it was anyone else, I would not.
@johnnylchase
2 жыл бұрын
The doctor refuses to separate Tuvix because "do no harm" Yet he was the one who came up with the procedure in the first place. Gotta put some blame on the EMH for this one too
@phillipharrison886
2 жыл бұрын
Though he thought it was a cure. It wasn't until Tuvix said it he didn't want to die The Doctor was against it
@williambell3304
2 жыл бұрын
@@phillipharrison886 he specifically states he'd have gone through with the procedure had Tuvix been willing. It's not surprising at this point a Starfleet crew's knee-jerk first reaction is "Ok, weird anomaly. How do we get back to normal?"
@pathogenofdecay
2 жыл бұрын
Too bad they never had the ability to permanently transfer people's consciousnesses to holograms. Only temporarily like the Vidiian, Dr. Danara Pel.
@RobiMac
Жыл бұрын
I think Janeway did the right thing regarding Tuvix. Tuvix's life took the lives of Tuvok and Neelix. Once they did make it back to Starfleet, how accepting does anyone expect Tuvok's family to be about him also being someone else. Furthermore, Tuvok's physical meld with an emotional being had to be 1,000's of times harder to deal with in regard to the strict logic of a Vulcan and their suppression of emotion. Can you imagine the battle? I think in the long run, The Tuvok part of Tuvix might have committed suicide. Oh, and it did suck about Ensign Kim never being promoted.
@Peaceforall20111
2 жыл бұрын
Sean, I love you man and I love all your stuff but I have to disagree carey was clearly not as good for the position as torress. She’s the one who solve the problem when they needed the chief engineer that’s why she got the job Kerry didn’t figure it out she did
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
Also promoting Torres was promoting cooperation between the two crews.
@apmcd47
2 жыл бұрын
There is a rumour that to this day Harry Kim is still an Ensign, and one Beckett Mariner considers him a hero and is attempting to match his record.
@HFFCANADA
2 жыл бұрын
Not hard to understand why Janeway made the deal with the Borg. 8472 wants to eradicate the quadrant. And if they have no problem beating the biggest power in the quadrant the Borg, what's going to happen when the Borg lose and get annihilated
@JonBerry555
2 жыл бұрын
What she should have done helped both the Borg and 9472 to defeat each other, played both sides. No Borg is good for the galaxy and no 8472 is also good.
@generalgrievous696
2 жыл бұрын
@@JonBerry555 with their run ins with 8472 they nearly killed Harry. They wouldn't have any dealings with Voyager and we're even planning an invasion against the federation with the simulation base in space. It wasn't until they leveraged the Borg nanite weapons that 8472 was willing to bargin
@UnholyTriforceDelenn
2 жыл бұрын
You guys missed a trick here, guys. Should have had a clip at the end where you hear a klaxon and then suddenly Sean Ferrick is transported away and suddenly there's Janeway (stock footage from the series) saying: "We need to TALK!" Then have Sean look at the camera like "Help me..." before the scene fades out.
@googtubebiased3594
2 жыл бұрын
The NUMBER ONE worse thing that Janeway did was to bring Nelix and Kess on-board in the first place...!!!
@canis2020
2 жыл бұрын
What bothers me most about the Tuvix issue is yeah it may suck that this new person had experiences but the ACCIDENT that caused it from a moral standpoint impacted 2 lives that could be saved. Even basic morality would choose 2 lives over 1. With how Tuvix was created between the most caring person and the most logical person their actions to be selfish in this situation goes against the previously established motus operandi that bother would sacrifice themselves for the other regardless of feelings. This would mean that they would do everything in their power to try and let the other live. I am so sick of this debate that even elementary kids learning basic philosophy can figure it out yet here we are still brining it up.
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
"Basic morality would choose 2 lives over 1"... so what you're saying it's moral to kill a person if their organs could save two other people?!
@canis2020
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qq-xs1fz what I'm saying is that this 1 "person" isn't an individual and he knows it. By his actions he is choosing to kill 2 people who can be saved.
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
@@canis2020 How isn't Tuvix a person? Because he was created in an accident? Is Thomas Riker not a person then and could be used for spare parts for William?
@generalgrievous696
2 жыл бұрын
@@Qq-xs1fz thing is tuvix wasn't used for spare parts all his parts as it were, were already accounted for and belonged to neelix and tuvok. He had no right to keep their bodies and consciousness imprisoned and perhaps write over them with his own persona
@God_Is_An_Atheist
2 жыл бұрын
I don't agree with the first 3 points on this list. Helping the Okampa was the right thing to do, Torres was more qualified for the job and Quinn seeked asylum, requested her help and the Q continuum agreed to the trial even though they could've easily prevented it and send Quinn back to his prison.
@Joshua-ew6ks
2 жыл бұрын
I did like that you put "Not promoting Harry" as your number one pick. He was just a kid, who wanted to impress his captain. And he contributed so much, and he was overlook some many times. Well at least she knew his name.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
In terms of harm done, it's not that bad... the worst case scenario is that one person's Starfleet career is unjustly ruined. Compare that to #10 (dozens of crew died on the way home), #6 (the Borg weren't stopped, and assimilated millions), and #2 (untold lives were affected). But one, it was impossible to justify. Two, we were reminded of it every episode. And three, it's taken on a life of its own; "poor, dumb, forever ensign Kim" is a common trope to this day.
@XopheAdethri
Жыл бұрын
Well, based on the Kelvin-verse, we now know Trek runs on a Multiverse-Timeline. This means that Janeway goes back to a new timeline where she is able to help them come back earlier. The longer-trip timeline still exists, they just no longer have a Janeway after the time-jump in that specific timeline, and for a short bit the prime timeline has 2 Janeways. Our Trekverse-Prime Voyager is technically NOT the Old-Janeway timeline's Voyager.
@hankthepatriot3733
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhhhhh... I'm SO telling Capt. Janeway about this!!!!
@randikreger9530
2 жыл бұрын
I look forward to your list on the bad decisions made by all the other male captains.
@Rattus-Norvegicus
2 жыл бұрын
Never happened because they never had to make a decision whilst having a period. [sarcasm]
@randikreger9530
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rattus-Norvegicus I really have no idea what your comment means.
@knomad75
2 жыл бұрын
🙄
@stoneauthor
2 жыл бұрын
Janeway was a great captain.
@geraldshields9035
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, let's be real : Tuvix was a transporter accident! Capt. Janeway was right in correcting that accident.
@dumbbirdyboysquawks8147
2 жыл бұрын
A transporter accident that became sentient! That's why it's so awful, Tuvix was his own man and had his own aspirations. He was then killed by her in cold blood.
@zoe-janesutherland4359
2 жыл бұрын
@@dumbbirdyboysquawks8147 Exactly, Picard would never have allowed that to happen on the Enterprise.
@barkasz6066
2 жыл бұрын
Scientifically speaking, supernovas are great and essential. They are not a problem. If you are far enough…
@Avidman42
2 жыл бұрын
Also the worst thing Tuvok ever did was not Neck-pinching her right there, assuming command and setting up the time delayed explosives to get everyone back home safe and sound.
@oddish4352
Жыл бұрын
He also should have pinched her to sleep when she went Ahab with the Equinox.
@TheWolphren
2 жыл бұрын
Supernovas are not bad. They just are.
@bonzairob
2 жыл бұрын
Like the Q couldn't just put them back after the war was over, too
@rogueally7993
2 жыл бұрын
People need to get over the Tuvix thing. Janeway made the right call.
@xidada666
2 жыл бұрын
For every mistake and short coming Captain Janeway had (there were a great many), she should be not only be forgiven, but honored and celebrated, for her role in bringing an end to the abomination known as Tuvix.
@DavidSmith-fs5qj
8 ай бұрын
It’s a pity the writers couldn’t put an end to the abomination that was Voyager.
@James-rm7sr
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, can we say Janeway caused the events that would destroy Romulus?
@Rattus-Norvegicus
2 жыл бұрын
Dear God, Janeway's responsible for the Kelvin universe...
@diosoth
8 ай бұрын
People who cry over Tuvix are often the same ones who want the Abrams movies & Discovery to be canon. But WAAH WOMAN if she'd let Tuvix live then the babies would accuse her of killing 2 to save 1, they wouldn't be happy either way. Offing the 2 separate Kirks to make 1 in TOS doesn't get the same scrutiny.
@thunderblade8071
2 жыл бұрын
Janeway vs. Picard re Lower Decks - my favorite! Thanks for this great video.
@AshPrimeDCFC
2 жыл бұрын
I hope to see a similar list for Sisko. That guy poisoned an entire planet.
@andrebrynkus2055
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Sisko wasn't played as a hero in that episode. He was definitely a bad guy at that moment. Voyager would play Janeway as the hero even when she did some egregious things.
@whiskyandpoetry
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrebrynkus2055 Not really. Certainly not with Equinox, Night or Tuvix.
@Sohltaker
Жыл бұрын
I always thought it would have been cool if the civil war in the continuum caused the supernova that destroyed Romulus and Remus.
@TaraPolen-
Жыл бұрын
I’m fine with this whole video if it’s understood that the writers were so uptight about a female captain that they had her acting erratically as part of her personality. If they’d decided how she was going to be, with occasional moral ambiguity, that would have been par for the course. But they didn’t know if they wanted her super tough or super empathetic or super sciencey brilliant or distractingly beautiful … NOT Janeway’s fault. She was just written that way, like Jessica Rabbit. And Tuvix was an error which she had to remedy, DESPITE the sacrificial trade-off of having to restore Neelix. SHE GOT. HER. CREW. HOME. That, at least, was her primary mission, consistently.
@andiamador7156
2 жыл бұрын
Remember when they accidentally created an extra Will Riker? They should have at least explored thoughts about how to preserve Tuvix and tried it, or maybe even just told him they were going to do that....
@andrebrynkus2055
2 жыл бұрын
Everyone brings that up. No one remembers that it was only possible on that one planet during a brief period every eight years. ... And that it was probably classified to higher ranks so that no one would know AND restricted so that no one would go there and clone themselves.
@ttww1590
2 жыл бұрын
Different They...
@Qq-xs1fz
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrebrynkus2055 Worked for Boimler... ;) Also - waiting 8 years seems like a fair deal here.
@mburg33
2 жыл бұрын
@@andrebrynkus2055 so in theory, they could still do this if that’s indeed the only way to do it. Though I’m sure The Doctor would have found a way.
@mattpreece6106
2 жыл бұрын
ok so I just rewatched Equinox ... I love you to bits my guy BUT .. she only hunted that guy down because he was a murderer using an innocent species to fuel his ship ... I felt this vid was a bit harsh on Janeway... many things here were not her fault and she had to chose bad or worse.. but the Equinox .. nah she was spot on. Hunt him down Starfleet or no.. just look at it again to jog your memory :(
@KennyDavenport
2 жыл бұрын
Okay, you don't like Janeway or how she runs Her ship
@generalgrievous696
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean really? Open things up for a vote when there are tough decisions? Like the caretaker array? No navy works that way. every Trek show the captain has consulted with senior officers but they make the final decision. Even in modern navies the captain may consult their X.O. but they still make the final choice. This isn't parliament or congress.
@TheVentrexian
2 жыл бұрын
Why everyone always mentions tuvix? They both said thank you when split.
For Janeway's defense, you can argue she didn't really change history, just made a separate timeline that will one day become it's own universe. (maybe not the best defense, but I had to try.) Also, I argue that it was necessary for Janeway to give Torres the promotion, because she needed the two crews to work together. While not ideal, it was a decision that was best under the circumstance. Plus, Chakotay had to really convince her. If it was not for him she would not have gotten the job, and she probably would have be stuck in the brig the whole trip home. (And there would have been no Klingon Messiah) Also, don't forget about all the times Janeway time-meddling that cause Captain Braxton some much heartache. (Though he is still responsible for his decisions.) Also, how about all the times she violated the Prime Directive. Don't forget about that one episode with Omega Directive. She interfere with an alien culture that cause them to be unable to wrap.
@Ferretic
2 жыл бұрын
No, she stopped them from potentially destroying the ability for *anyone* to warp throughout the galaxy, and they screwed up local space (like, just within their star system) for warp *before* she showed up.
@Shaden0040
2 жыл бұрын
I just sent this video to Admiral Janeway and to Admiral Paris.
@Mogget01
2 жыл бұрын
The more I watch voyager, the more I appreciate it.
@Jobutron1
2 жыл бұрын
Sisko and Picard likely would have done the very same thing in all instances. The only item on here I agree with, was #1; the rest was unfair because they were the only Federation ship for lightyears. Morals or existence? Hmmmmm
@RealBadGaming52
2 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY, They where desperte, and Jsne way had to stuff the woulnt nomally do in The Alpha quadrent, and this is why i like Voyager, it got dark sometimes
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