Because even though it might have been a good enough standalone, non-trek movie, it did not follow established Trek lore and threw in some ideas that just didn't make sense in the Trek universe.
@splatoonistproductions5345
8 жыл бұрын
What's the full name of this movie ?
@Guybot1001
8 жыл бұрын
Star Trek Insurrection
@Guybot1001
8 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I enjoy the film as well, but I also acknowledge the other flaws of this. I actually don't mind the new ideas they were proposing. I feel they just were not executed correctly. The storytelling was flawed and the new characters were just... bland. Especially the "love interest", who doesn't seem to serve any purpose than being a damsel in distress and exposition faucet. Another flaw that bothered me (and another KZitemr called Linkara) is that the Bakku cliam they have abandoned all their technology for a more simple way of life. That's... fine and all. But they use aqueducts, mills, dams and forges. Those are iron-age technology, so they could have just said they were equivalent to space-Amish or something. I mean, they shouldn't proclaim they are space-Amish but I feel they should have clarified more regarding space travel and advanced tech. Other than that, I like the humor and the visuals. I remember enjoying the action and all that as a kid.
@joshfish2
7 жыл бұрын
like what?
@ForceMaximus84
8 жыл бұрын
Good: Good Acting, Decent Humor, Some Nice Visuals, Great Music Bad: Bland Story and Characters
@darklight1030
8 жыл бұрын
Better than the actual film
@infernomaster2702
9 жыл бұрын
CGI in first contact was way better than in this one lol
@isaacwright90
9 жыл бұрын
Joshua Pritt First Contact didn't have a lot of CGI. Most of it was done with actual models.
@infernomaster2702
9 жыл бұрын
no wonder it looks better lol
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
Joshua Pritt Having seen the actual studio model myself, I must say it didn't hold up well in closeups. Heck, even in the finished movie you can still see the tooling marks on the hull.
@kuribayashi84
9 жыл бұрын
+Joshua Pritt Well, the Effects in FC were done by Industrial Light & Magic, unlike those seen here (ILM had its hands full with Star Wars Episode I at the time).
@wa5019
8 жыл бұрын
+Schwatvogel hands full? the cgi was shitty. This is much better compared to the jar jar affair
@Kth77
11 жыл бұрын
I wounder what it was like when the Son'a engineers designed their fleet... "NO, POINTIER, MORE OVERTLY EVIL LOOKING!"
@DrewPicklesTheDark
3 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, that has happened IRL before for intimidation purposes.
@meiray
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. They really let the side down though for these FX. The ships all look terrible. ILM was sorely missed!
@MarcusSchmalzlockus
10 жыл бұрын
The scenes are great! Far better than the action- and ship scenes of JJTrek which are ugly and exaggerated. JJTrek looks like it's based on a fucking marvel comic. This looks like real science fiction.
@MarcusSchmalzlockus
8 жыл бұрын
+MarcusSchmalzlockus Yes!!!!!!!!
@newnewnwo4-life497
Жыл бұрын
I think the Son'a ships are beautiful ❤
@emperor1733
5 жыл бұрын
Always liked this film. Not every film should be dark and gritty. This was a pleasant TNG 2 parter for the big screen. Had some interesting things to say and fun dialogue. "Something that goes well with chrysanthemums".
@crazyredsimpkins
11 жыл бұрын
Loved it when you had dramatic music THEN Gilbert and Sullivan. And why did you miss the reveal of the Holodeck Ship in the lake. It's still a ship isn't it?
@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin
3 жыл бұрын
He included the drones instead. Don't ask me why. You're right about the holoship by the way. It is a vessel capable of operating in space
@remo687
8 жыл бұрын
I wonder why they abandoned the "vaporize/dissolve" phaser effect and made the "exploding stuff" effect the standard?
@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin
2 жыл бұрын
To emphasize more on the "action" aspect of the movie
@Nozyspy
9 жыл бұрын
lol @ 5:50 "AHHHHHHH!"
@joshfish2
8 жыл бұрын
+Nozyspy tbh, that used to kind of scare the shit out of me when I was younger, not necessarily because of his screams but because of Ru'afo himself. He was basically an angry skin bag, who murdered someone by facelift and then has some sort of demonic scream when he failed his mission O_O
@samnr2723
8 жыл бұрын
I can't stop laughing - even while I was typing this. LOL
@JohndeCaux
10 жыл бұрын
at 2:46 the deflector dish texture on the ship is extremely low rez... You can tell ILM didn't work on this film.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
John deCaux Cry some more please. :)
@Guybot1001
8 жыл бұрын
The whole ship was out of focus actually. I think they were going for a sense of depth or distance, but they ultimately failed. It just looks under-rendered.
@excessmaterial
4 жыл бұрын
It's the wrong color in that scene as well. Pretty ridiculous.
@georgehare2915
8 жыл бұрын
ONE PERSON aboard, the ANDROID
@tommydecastro2047
3 жыл бұрын
This was an overbudgetted episode.
@bruceballygar4880
3 жыл бұрын
CGI in 1998 just wasn’t ready to replace models. The effects just didn’t look convincing enough.
@Albertojedi
4 жыл бұрын
There's no movie music more epic than Star Trek's.
@CaptainSpadaro
11 жыл бұрын
I thought the ships looked fine.
@davidreed8765
11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!
@user-ch5zj2uf4v
2 жыл бұрын
That was excellent 😁
@samrizzardi2213
Ай бұрын
I wish they'd have explained whether or not the Son'a ships were designed by the Son'a themselves or if they were taken from their Ka'bu/Bre'ka (depending on beta source) forebears.
@mikenolan2us
9 жыл бұрын
Yay! Do Star Wars next!
@EgeSkywalker117
7 жыл бұрын
0:46 - 0:56 best scene
@bayuthubaybss1666
3 жыл бұрын
Good luck 👏
@CaptainSpadaro
10 жыл бұрын
Any chance of doing a ships only version of Nemesis?
@davidsavage5630
4 ай бұрын
5:12 I forgot that Count Dooku's ship at the end of Attack of the Clones was ripped off from this movie..
@mechagodzilla9077
4 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, its Star SHREK.
@Tylerpierre99
2 жыл бұрын
5:50 With no context just "aaaaarrrgh!"
@techracer2003
10 жыл бұрын
Didn't the Enterprise eject the Warp Core in 3:49? It is my understanding that there are no secondary power generating systems on board the Sovereign class starship, and matter-antimatter reaction Warp Core functions not only for the powering of the propulsion systems but also to supply its energy to all vital ship systems, kind of like an internal combustion engine for a car or a diesel engine for a ship. If the Warp Core has already been ejected, then what the hell helps the Enterprise survive the ensuing shock wave from the blast if the shields can only be at their highest with the energy output from the matter-antimatter reactor?
@rickfeng4466
10 жыл бұрын
there always some backup, maybe a nuclear reactor? cold fusion perhaps? so it can be activate right after the ejection and still maintain efficiency~ I don't know, ask the writer! it is science FICTION after all
@xponen
10 жыл бұрын
Auxiliary power supply not enough?
@techracer2003
10 жыл бұрын
xponen It appears through my research in memory alpha the website, that auxiliary power is only reserve energy and can only be used in a limited capacity. It is not a secondary power generating system. Auxiliary power is often used in conjunction with main power to reinforce certain critical systems in defense, inertial dampers, structural integrity fields etc. and not to be used as a standalone power supply. It might be enough for life support, subspace communication, sensors but certainly not adequate for prolonged impulse or shielding against a shock wave.
@rickfeng4466
10 жыл бұрын
One thing: When Voyager land in the 37s,(VOY S2E1) they have to bring the warp core off line. where the power come from?
@Potrimpo
10 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise always had backup power sources. The impulse engines that also generates a good deal of power are powered by thermonuclear fusion. They also provide added power to the rest of the ship when the warp core is either at its peak or is occupied with powering the warp drive.
@generalBlasto
11 жыл бұрын
I like the effects but the son'a is probably the most uninteresting species on star trek. IMO
@meiray
9 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, except for the part about the effects. This is second only to The Final Frontier for letting the side down in the FX department.
@barihawk
9 жыл бұрын
That's because they were so poorly written that Paramount Execs wrote a letter to the producers stating that the way the script was written that the Son'a came out looking like good guys. So they had to write in stuff to make them evil (which just comes out as corny.) This honestly takes the cake as the worst Star Trek movie. The bad guys have made a deal with Starfleet to secure a technology that would save billions of lives (in a post-Dominion War galaxy) and we are made to believe that they are evil because it would minorly inconvenience a small society of space elves (Paramount execs even noted that the population was so tiny they would inbreed themselves to death within centuries) and our heroes join the Baku almost entirely for the reasons that Picard was in love (what happened to Beverly?) and it made the cast's boobs feel firmer.
@LordDavid04
9 жыл бұрын
barihawk Inbreed? How? When you live for eternity, you don't need no inbreeding. However, the Son'a were indeed a poor choice as a villainous species. They should have gone for a species familiar to Trek fans. It wasn't such a bad movie, it was a good Roddenberry style Trek outing with some action added for good effect. The worst Trek movie will always be Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Even without ILM to do the effects, that film should have had a more solid story and the crew should have done their homework as to not make so many mistakes.
@tsarbomba1
9 жыл бұрын
You can tell they really didn't have the money on this. Would have been better with practical models.
@meiray
9 жыл бұрын
Or ILM. Frakes said only their "B-team" was available, but I'd think that since ILM still had a reputation to uphold they would have done a much better job with this. It is rumored the actual shot of the warp core ejecting was terrible and that's why it's not in the film.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
Tsar Bomba The budget was higher than First Contact. Santa Barbara Studios did a nice job replicating the Enterprise E studio model.
@tsarbomba1
9 жыл бұрын
There was still a lot of aliasing in the theater when I saw this... and it was film back then.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
Tsar Bomba Can't really remember that. At least the master from which the Blu-ray release was produced seems flawless.
@bonkobonko6707
3 жыл бұрын
@@thegreatagitator4675 No they didnt
@pablo1835rigel
2 жыл бұрын
How is this story connected to the Dominion War?
@RkivUnderground
9 жыл бұрын
Massively dated CG. The ships look like Burger King toys, bearing the irony they weren't practical effects. I actually prefer the effects in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), even though it's nowhere near as good as those of 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968). ST1 just suffers from severe optical printing anomalies. If Paramount went back to the first-generation masters of the effects and digitally re-composited them, they would look astounding.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
RkivUnderground It's equally easy to mess up model work. I did both (motion control photography and CGI) and motion control work is just too limited, too expensive. You simple get more out of the CG models.
@meiray
7 жыл бұрын
You get more if you have the time and money to do more. A lot of these shots look like they needed more passes. Plasticky textures, unflattering lighting, dodgy weapon effects... It's very uneven.
@meiray
6 жыл бұрын
Heck no, First Contact's CGI is WAY better and 2 years older. Ditto Generations 2 years before that.
@josephastier7421
3 жыл бұрын
OMG that looks dreadful. Glad I missed that one.
@verediananunes6554
4 жыл бұрын
Amo filmes assim
@nafnaf0
4 жыл бұрын
I think the visual effects were better in First Contact
@janewayshepard2522
10 жыл бұрын
Seriously sometimes ST really dont make sense, are we supposed to believe that some "gas" explosion will destroy ships designed to withstand photon torpedoes? And if true, why not loading every starship with the gas.
@Potrimpo
10 жыл бұрын
Because that gas is highly volatile. Meaning they are harder to contain than antimatter and can blow at any second.
@Potrimpo
8 жыл бұрын
RikkyCZ I had often wondered that myself. I can only guess, and it's only a guess (and an improbable one), is that when the Enterprise collected the metrion gas there was a pocket of low concentration of the gas that couldn't just explode like higher concentrations like what was in the Briar Patch, let alone the concentration that the Son'a fired in. But that still asks the question why didn't tje blast go straight to the ship's ramscoops?
@excessmaterial
4 жыл бұрын
@RikkyCZ They probably stopped venting it off screen after they passed in front of the Son'a battlecruisers. So the trail didn't fully lead back to the Enterprise.
@excessmaterial
4 жыл бұрын
Because the explosion being created by the metreon gas is basically enormous compared to the shield impact of a single photon torpedo dude. And yes, they were firing photons in that battle. Not quantums (which I find odd?) Photon torpedoes are very powerful, but they mainly do kinetic damage so their real strength is in hitting the hull of a ship. A torpedo hitting the shields of a ship in Star Trek will have a decent amount of the force taken by them. But having a gigantic city sized gas explosion hitting your ship right in the face is going to wreck everything at once and if the shields go down during that impact then the exploding gas will get in to every possible crack or opening it can find on the ship and just fuck everything. Another way of putting it is if you consider that a torpedo like they use can blow up an asteroid usually, also consider that if the same asteroid were to fly into one of these ships it would do even more damage to it or destroy it completely because of the mass involved. So it's mainly a numbers game here and has to do with the size comparisons of the things involved.
@yep9557
10 жыл бұрын
Didn't they leave the Enterprise in some storage room after the last episode? Or am I thinking about the wrong one?
@kuribayashi84
10 жыл бұрын
If you mean the model of this Ship, it was built for and used in "First Contact" only - the last ST-Movie to use Models on a grand scale. It was indeed put in storage after that and I believe it was auctioned off a few Years ago to a private Collector.
@bayuthubaybss1666
3 жыл бұрын
Good luck Profesor Amerika serikat 👍
@OldMovieRob
6 жыл бұрын
Are any of these ships practical effects, or as it all CG by this point?
@goliathprojects7354
5 жыл бұрын
Everything was CG due to budget cuts. Only 6:26 was part practical.
@richcampoverde
10 жыл бұрын
Some bad editing took place in the making of this
@Graymalkyn
4 жыл бұрын
Why do these movies always make Federation ships so weak?
@SR71ABCD
11 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise forgot something.
@meiray
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah... why?
@JohnEdge
11 жыл бұрын
now I don't have to buy the movie xD
@hoppermantis
11 жыл бұрын
wish they had something being developed in gaming like robertsspaceindustries. com /about-the-game I always wanted to play a decent star trek game. I love the vessels.
@TechCarnivore1
7 жыл бұрын
The mountain isn't a fuckin' ship m8.
@cristianruiz1972
8 жыл бұрын
6:43 Yacht Captain?.
@augustocamargo5383
6 жыл бұрын
2:10 - 2:27 Ship mating.
@goliathprojects7354
5 жыл бұрын
So much pontential, so many budget cuts, such a badly writen script...
@yaroreiners
9 жыл бұрын
They're flying aerial manoeuvres... LOL! For example 1:36... Impossible in space.
@Uejji
9 жыл бұрын
+Yaro Reiners Not impossible. Extremely difficult. It would require thrusters along the body of the craft to replicate the forces normally generated by lift and drag in at atmosphere. But still not impossible.
@yaroreiners
9 жыл бұрын
Uejji But its useless... That would use more energy than normal space flying.
@Uejji
9 жыл бұрын
+Yaro Reiners That depends. It certainly might be helpful to have that kind of maneuverability when being shot at, or trying to shoot at something that is super maneuverable. But that's beside the point; it's still *possible* given the right mechanisms to recreate atmospheric forces. Whether or not it's practical is a different matter altogether.
@Shadowkey392
9 жыл бұрын
+Uejji I'm not sure maneuvrability actually would help, since in space you can literally turn on a dime in seconds.
@Uejji
9 жыл бұрын
+Shadowkey392 Again, I'm not assessing the practicality, just the possibility. Aircraft maneuver as they do because the atmosphere exerts forces on the aircraft, and those forces can be recreated on a spacecraft. Yes, it would require some kind of propulsive capability all over the spacecraft, and, yes, the practicality is arguably dubious, but forces are forces, even in another context.
@ucMinh-vt6ms
5 жыл бұрын
BAD GRAPHIC!!!! THIS LOOK MORE LIKE GAME THAN MOVIE🤣🤣🤣🤣
@rockys201
6 жыл бұрын
At 3:55 I always hated the way the Enterprise gets blown back. It just looks so unrealistic and fake
@EricRShelton
9 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise E design always seemed so phoned in and lazy. I really hate all the next-gen movies.
@barihawk
9 жыл бұрын
The E in First Contact was great, but that was because it was realized with practical models and cameras. You lose out on the realistic movements in 3D animation.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
barihawk Exactly what movement is it that you can create with a motion control rig but not a virtual camera? Please, Elaborate. I'm curious.
@barihawk
9 жыл бұрын
The Great Agitator Well, watch the entire movie. Insurrection came out when CGI was the rage but the art was so imperfect that it comes across looking worse than enhanced practical effects. Look at the kid's little animal thing in this movie. Yikes. Or the Dinos in the Jurassic Park. Or the planes in Red Tails. The crime in Insurrection with CGI is that they lost the fluid motion of the motion rigs. The Enterprise is pulling maneuver like a fighter jet despite it's mass. That's the problem with CGI. Unless you motion cap (or use a motion rig), movement is really just guesswork. And when that guesswork is shoddy, your CGI animation is shoddy. With a motion rig you can precisely control the motion of the camera, particularly when what you are filming is a high mass starship that should be moving like a whale. Not to mention that CGI was/is very expensive compared to practical effects. Look at Star Trek. Voyager would have had the Aeroshuttle if they hadn't moved to full CGI and couldn't afford redoing the model to have an undocked Aeroshuttle. A practical model would have solved that. In both Voyager and DS9 they had to recycle battle scenes. Horribly. The Way of the Warrior battle was the same as A Call to Arms but with the ships changed. Even down to a BoP/Hideki colliding with the station shields in the exact same manner. And don't get me started on the whole middle finger to the people of Sao Paolo because they couldn't be assed to change the Defiant's registry due to using recycled footage in the fucking finale episode. A hybrid approach to CGI/practical looks best. Do passes with the practical model and then enhance it with CGI. It's why Jurassic Park still holds up to this day but Jurassic Park III looks like crap now. Howver, nowadays CGI is catching up. The Big E in the recent Star Trek movies looks fantastic (and the minor details such as RCS thrusters firing, deflector aligning before warp and the impulse engines shutting down for warp are great. But 15 years ago, when Insurrection came out, it was just shoddy. So to answer your question, a hell of a lot.
@thegreatagitator4675
9 жыл бұрын
barihawk Can't comment on most of the -subjective points. I did both motion control photography and CGI in the last 25 years and the first is/was way more expensive, unflexible and time consuming. Studio models are unwieldy and they really age badly during filming and storage. You just get more bang for the buck with CGI. As for the the new films; love the effects, hate everything else. Star Trek shoe·horned into Millennial Generation taste.
@agentprime2179
7 жыл бұрын
I love TNG more than TOS but TOS has better movies. First Contact was the only good TNG movie. This film was so bad that even Into Darkness is better.
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