Apologies if my voice sounds a bit off here, i'm down with the flu. Also, there are two other new Starfleet designs I didn't mention here cos they don't have proper high-res imagery yet, those are the Engle Class and the Malachowski class. Some shots of those below. (I'm not too impressed by the Malachowski Class but I like the Engle a lot). memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Engle_class memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Malachowski_class
@nefariousgremlin7554
6 жыл бұрын
Spacedock IMO I adore the Walker, Crossfield, Shepard, Nimitz and Cardenas class ships. The Klingon destroyer and Kor's flagship are my favorite Klingon designs. While I love the original Klingon design aesthetic, I appreciate and kind of like the more gothic approach the DIS designers are taking.
@darylteo9983
6 жыл бұрын
Is this the part where the fans start raging?
@tvanzyl3143
6 жыл бұрын
The Nexus - Strategy Gaming Hub yes, very soon.
@obsidian53-b32
6 жыл бұрын
Spacedock . the best class is the CAROENAS CLASS .
@nefariousgremlin7554
6 жыл бұрын
Spacedock I'd like to think that the "toilet brush" ship is a ship from a Klingon mining house and the interstellar magic school bus is from a commerce house
@maeror1022
6 жыл бұрын
I'm less forgiving than you. The Klingon ships look atrocious.
@Galvars
6 жыл бұрын
Atrocious is great understatement.
@roloman45
6 жыл бұрын
They're not even klingons anymore
@Mjr117
6 жыл бұрын
Silhouette more like a weird ugly klingon - reman hybrid
@pootispenser5089
6 жыл бұрын
I used to love Klingon ship designs, but every scene of Discovery with a Klingon ship disgusts me.
@Spike20101000
6 жыл бұрын
I dont even think there is a Klingon word for the attorcious state of the ship designs in this. They are a heinously practical war loving race. Whats practical about any of those designs for battle? Honestly looks like the designers dredged through Final Fantasy designs and copied them.
@XMysticHerox
6 жыл бұрын
My problem with the new Klingon ships is that they don´t really seem to have a overall style. They are just all over the place. There is nothing connecting them making you think "these are of the same faction".
@XMysticHerox
6 жыл бұрын
+Josef Thats not my point actually. Doing something new with your big budgets after decades is fine. The problem is that there isn´t even anything connecting the new models to *each* *other* .
@XMysticHerox
6 жыл бұрын
+Josef they could have just gone post Nemesis and the entire story would still have worked.
@jasonslade6259
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe that's part of the point? Maybe they're intending to give the various Klingon factions their own individual aesthetics? I don't really mind them not having a unified visual design to them, mostly I just think they look drab and uninteresting.
@Leahey1
6 жыл бұрын
At the point the timeline is set, the Klingon's are not a unified faction, so the different designs are supposed to reflect the aesthetic of each house. The battle of the binary stars was intended to be a trigger to unify the empire, so going forward I would expect the designs to become more consistent. The ship of the dead looks more like a traditional Klingon design, and is supposed to be a relic from the old empire.....so as the empire appears to be getting back together it makes sense that they will revert back to the old imperial designs at some point.
@XMysticHerox
6 жыл бұрын
+Jason A: They didn´t explain the factions which makes that pointless and pure speculation. B: The different houses mostly had the same ships.
@IAmTheAce5
6 жыл бұрын
“Toilet brush”... I love your show
@JenkoRun
6 жыл бұрын
I read this right as he said that :P
@InvisibleLightRec
6 жыл бұрын
Laughed so hard at this too. Daniel you rock!
@docstarbux4903
5 жыл бұрын
I think the daspu looks like it belongs in a borg fleet
@Urathear1434
4 жыл бұрын
Actually to me it looks like something a woman would hide in her underwear drawer for a quick release!
@Taggart00
6 жыл бұрын
The only problem I have with the new Star Fleet ships is that they all look like they should come after Voyager or have just come straight out of Star Trek Online. At least they do look like a federation design though.
@mr5yy
6 жыл бұрын
Taggart00 It literally looks like the designers spent a couple of ours messing around on STO with the Star Fleet ships, took a couple of screenshots and transferred then into a new system to give them better graphics.
@ThroneOfBhaal
6 жыл бұрын
Frankly I think STO did a much better job... it used the original content as a base, expanded it in mostttttly logical ways. There are always going to be development oddballs and deadends over the years. The V-22 Osprey comes to mind...
@SeekerLancer
4 жыл бұрын
The aesthetic is very STO.
@KnightRider378
6 жыл бұрын
I actually really like most of the Federation designs, they all look rather nice. My issue is that they look like they belong in Star Trek Online, it more closely resembles that era’s aesthetic. I know Spacedock said that it’s something we just have to deal with, but it annoys me that Enterprise got lambasted for having stuff that looks as advanced as TOS a century later, but these ships are at least a century more advanced than TOS despite taking place a decade before it.
@jerelo175
6 жыл бұрын
KnightRider378 to me, the enterprise nx-01 is actually a very unrefined looking ship compared to the tos enterprise. These ships, seem like a more refined version of the nx-01 sort of armor looking, detailed, sort of design. The discovery is probably the most tos looking ship out of all of them
@tvanzyl3143
6 жыл бұрын
"it looks like a toilet brush" I laughed so much.
@teecee3428
6 жыл бұрын
The worst part of the Discovery is that they installed the wrong light bulbs. Everything is so dark inside.
@Novarcharesk
6 жыл бұрын
The Discovery is pretty well lit. Engineering is pretty dark, but the bridge is fine and sickbay is DAZZLING.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
I dunno the worst part seemed to me to be that vulcan trained human B&1*h
@AkodoAkira1
5 жыл бұрын
You have two choices: Dark and brooding or Lens Flare everywhere.
@stanlee7635
4 жыл бұрын
Tee Cee the worst part about Discovery is that it exists!
@endless031
6 жыл бұрын
At least you can look at the Starfleet ships and immediately recognize them,idk what they were thinking when making Klingon ships
@michaellewis1545
6 жыл бұрын
I also thought the Bird of Prey looked like a Gu'la death glider when I first saw it.
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed
6 жыл бұрын
Goa'uld*
@hushdawg
6 жыл бұрын
I thought it looked like that hideous redesign of the cylon raider that the newer Battlestar Galactica had.
@lincolnnoronha4128
6 жыл бұрын
yup. agreed. and it is written Goa'uld
@joelaton1062
6 жыл бұрын
The redesign raider looked fantastic.
@90lancaster
6 жыл бұрын
On closer examination the front end seems to have a face on the front much like the Cylon Heavy Raider does too. The next size up of Cylon ship has some similarities to to some of the Klingon stuff. Does this means there are Renders and line art like this for the others like the D-7 too ?
@CaneMcKeyton
6 жыл бұрын
Hoover class... looks like a space Roomba
@mac1ad
6 жыл бұрын
I thought it was more a modified Millenium Falcon.
@lexwaldez
6 жыл бұрын
YES! USS-ROOMBA! If they keep that crap design they should have to name it that. lol
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
Q uses the Crossfield as a pizza and pie cutter so the Hoover is q's space roomba to suck up all those nasty dirt devil iconians, Tholians and michel Burnhems...
@Christopher_1775
5 жыл бұрын
Backwards guitar pick... And the Nimitz Class resembles a grill scraper.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
@@Christopher_1775 Q's grill scraper?
@sectionEnigma
6 жыл бұрын
At the very least with the Federation ships they seem to have at least kept to the same over all design- But with the Klingons, not only are most of the designs rather awful- they don't feel or look like Klingon ships. I mean what is the purpose of that Bird of Prey? The original one was suppose to be sleek and keep a low profile- that thing is super thick and doesn't look like it should be able to go fast at all. Not to mention their designs seem to be all over the place.
@Shortsircut1
6 жыл бұрын
It looks more like a Brick of prey!!! However, are any of them really any worse that the whole Klingon redesign? They look more like a tall black Horta's than Klingons!
@DavidWatersJames
5 жыл бұрын
The entire idea of the "Bird of Prey" was that it resembles one. These designs look like flying BRICKS.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
and that last one looks like a civilian freighter.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
@@Shortsircut1 Mincraft bird of prey and somebody was stupid and pulled the wings forward
@Shortsircut1
5 жыл бұрын
@@sheilaolfieway1885 LMAO!
@gundog39
6 жыл бұрын
That bird of prey looks like something the romulans would design
@nicosteffen364
6 жыл бұрын
The more i see of Discovery, the more i love the Orville!
@still_guns
6 жыл бұрын
Season 2 should feature 'New, upgraded, deadlier than ever' Klingon ships that are really just the designs we all know and love replacing these hideous monstrosities.
@CybershamanX
6 жыл бұрын
+Josef Nagy Agreed. Watch them try and roll out a "classic" Constitution class in the end and be like, "See! There she is! Wait... What? We told you all along this was canon!" :/ These designs would be perfectly fine if they had just set the show after Voyager. But, apparently, they would then have to address the whole destruction of Romulus thing (which would be awesome, IMHO) which is apparently in Paramount's camp because they do they movies and CBS didn't want to interfere with "their" story line. Just imagine, actually embracing the namesake of the show (as in, "Discovery") by actually _discovering_ something new. Maybe the Bajoran wormhole collapses (perhaps since the wormhole aliens apparently accomplished their goal with Sisko? Who knows! Let's _discover_ what happened!) and they have to investigate the situation from the "other end" by using the (ugh) spore drive to zip over to the Gamma quadrant. They get there and the whole region is in turmoil due to over reliance on trade through the wormhole and the sudden collapse of the Dominion. Not to mention whatever happened to the wormhole in the first place. And _then_ you could have people from the previous shows slip in from time to time. Maybe there's a connection with what happened to Romulus in there somewhere, too. Who knows. There they would also find this ancient Klingon "sarcophagus ship", too. _And_ that damn "beacon"/"torch" thing, too, which, if they _really_ wanted to have another war with the Klingons, would have set that whole arc up in the _exact_ _same_ _way_ and would even allow for their "sexy" (CBS's word) new Klingons. Boy, the sky would have been the limit, right? Not to mention the fact that, "Hey! We have this cool new drive to explore *other* *galaxies* ! Let's go check out Andromeda!" I guess we'll never know now, will we? :/
@CybershamanX
6 жыл бұрын
This just in: The Trekyards guys just posted a video about the Constitution class! Hold onto your butts and set your phasers to "Ugh" before heading here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/soigvW2Eqph9o2k
@valuesubtracted
6 жыл бұрын
If the resolution of the war leads to a unified High Council, that might just happen.
@Qardo
6 жыл бұрын
Josef Nagy you can't really Ret-Con Star Trek. All they have to say "Oh this is a different Timeline".
@90lancaster
6 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if they abandon the Klingons as antagonists and change over to the Tholians or such. But they may want something Humanoid for practical reasons... They can't easily justify using the Gorn (also they'd be expensive) The Cardassians were otherwise occupied raping Bajor or such at this sort of time period. They Can't use the Romulans without causing continuity problems - so It might be Romulans covertly via Vulcan rebels or something like that a bit. There really isn't very many suitable Humanoid Species to use in 2257 unless you start raiding RPG source books for them.
@Beef7347
6 жыл бұрын
The Discovery looks like a pizza cutter, and the klingon ships look like they're a rip off of Stargate and Warhammer.
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed
6 жыл бұрын
Josef Nagy Nope. Wraith/Tyranid.
@Beef7347
6 жыл бұрын
I'd say some look a bit goa'uld and wraith with tyranid thrown in.
@yoriichitsugikuni3743
6 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@RobertTapia
5 жыл бұрын
Discovery copied many things... badly! Copied and stole their way into bad trek
@benoosthoek
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery has grown on me, but the klingon ships are just dumb.
@GunRunner106
6 жыл бұрын
i basically and literally hate everything about the new klingons... like there isnt a singular thing i like about em....
@GunRunner106
6 жыл бұрын
they do sound lobotomised when ever i hear em talk in their language... yea...
@myself2noone
6 жыл бұрын
Josef Nagy And that's why there where just forehead ridges in TOS and TNG kids. So the actors could act.
@desmondd1984
6 жыл бұрын
The ship/set designs are awful, and the Klingons themselves have been reduced to space Orcs. Just terrible.
@GunRunner106
6 жыл бұрын
i wish they were space "orks" then they would at least be cool.....
@jeremyfinch2835
6 жыл бұрын
c'mon, you gotta love the bdsm/inter-species sex! /s
@beep5514
6 жыл бұрын
I just don't get what the people behind this show were thinking. If they wanted to redesign everything, disregard everything, then just make a new IP? Or at least make something after Nemesis, not another prequel.
@beep5514
6 жыл бұрын
Sadly completly agree. DSC has its moments, but a whole is more than lacking.
@richardbond258
6 жыл бұрын
shurednichso actually the Klingon complete reimagine came from that Producer Fuller. I read were he said that he wanted to completely reimagine the Klingons. Cannot blame that on CBS. Most likely since they spent so much on the redesigning that they were stuck.
@jacy2332
5 жыл бұрын
Richard Bond JJ Abrams and Paramount had to come up with a different type of license because CBS and that bastard Les moonves made it very difficult for them to produce a new Star Trek movie. To make a long story short and to make my point you can blame that on CBS because my best guess is Bryan Fuller haven't seen the other Star Trek movies come out decided to come up with something different about the Clean us because of the agreement CBS Force Paramount and JJ Abrams to do. Les moonves and CBS are the biggest problems and why Star Trek hit the tank like it did.
@michaellewis1545
6 жыл бұрын
I think you who ever made the Batlh class is a fan of Farscape. Every thing from the color to the shape just screams Farsacpe.
@nefariousgremlin7554
6 жыл бұрын
Michael Lewis IKR, it really reminds me of the Moya transport shuttle
@benbailey08911
6 жыл бұрын
it almost looks the same just give it some ridges on the front, and remove those round pod thing, and it would look almost exactly like it.
@blackmephistopheles2273
6 жыл бұрын
I looks like a Space Bus to me.
@lexwaldez
6 жыл бұрын
I can see that. Farscape or Dune.
@Demolitiondude
6 жыл бұрын
Trek 40k. All the dakka.
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed
6 жыл бұрын
"Red goes fasta" *unknown klingon commander*
@EAS_Hyperion
6 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say thank you for running such a great channel with such a great design and wonderful content...Thank you
@JustAnotherDayToday
6 жыл бұрын
The Batlh class ship looks very Dune-esque. It would fit right in.
@TheTattorack
6 жыл бұрын
The Federation vessels look very recognisable, albeit from the wrong era. The Klingon ships, on the other hand... Like the hell were they thinking!?
@joshuakeller7217
3 жыл бұрын
The old klingon ships were always my favorites. These new ones are just awful.
@dragdragon23
6 жыл бұрын
The Batlh class reminds me of the ships from the dune movie.
@KingreX32
6 жыл бұрын
I hate those Klingon ships. Hate them. All those Starfleet ships need to have the TOS nacelles and I could accept them a little better.
@361kai
6 жыл бұрын
Putting tos nacelles on, would look terrible, the design's are all simplistic and retro, and the new descovery design's are modern, sleek and stylish. The two should not be mixed.
@KingreX32
6 жыл бұрын
Josef Nagy yep. Axanar was able to keep the aesthetic of the old shows but still made the ships look modern and non campy
@rolandbach8664
6 жыл бұрын
Kyle Macleod, you mean using JJtrek ships and slap some TOS Naccels on them?
@coyoteman7718
6 жыл бұрын
They could be made by Section 31
@xheralt
6 жыл бұрын
They should have hired Alex Peters instead of quashing him.
@xheralt
6 жыл бұрын
7:56 Dear Klingon Empire: The Cylons called, they want their Raider back.
@ericwalter7124
6 жыл бұрын
Well I like some of the star fleet ships. At they all look like star fleet ships. The Klingon ships.... sorry I just don't at all. Witch is unfortunate I grow up loving the Klingon ships. That doesn't mean I don't like new designs. I just think they could have done better.
@Novarcharesk
6 жыл бұрын
Remember that this is ages before TNG, DS9 or VOY. It's not unreasonable to suppose that by those time frames, Klingons chose to go with certain designs over the course of decades.
@Xarcht
6 жыл бұрын
I love the Magee class. Finally a ship that protects the engines
@sjschauer4235
6 жыл бұрын
The change in visual styles and the throwing out of the old trek design rules reinforces the idea that this show is a reboot. The Federation ships are ok for the most part, bit Klingon ships, I agree, no unifying design aesthetic. From a narrative stance I get why, its to show the factioning of the houses, but still, it is visually jarring when you are trying to identify what group a ship belongs to visually without having the show tell you.
@simpsonfan13
6 жыл бұрын
They dont need to reboot the canon, just set it in an AU so the TOS dick riders can shut up.
@beaney56
6 жыл бұрын
I liked the shepard class. Looks like it came out of the starfleet command games or klingon academy.
@mangaranwow2543
6 жыл бұрын
The Kling Qugh Class Destoyer looks like a wine bottle opener i have in my home.
@winsarun7916
6 жыл бұрын
HOw hard is it to create DECENT KLINGONS SHIP
@winsarun7916
6 жыл бұрын
1 Producers who really care about the series.
@paullopez6620
6 жыл бұрын
To me, the original klingon bird of pray looks to be a very sturdy design. Something that is instantly recognized.
@PatriciaCross
6 жыл бұрын
The name D-7 showed up on a readout when Lorca was captured. We did not get to see much of the outside of that ship though, so unsure what they are going to do with the classic ships. A wireframe of the USS Defiant just showed up, and it looked pretty close to a proper TOS Constitution class.
@ludeman
6 жыл бұрын
So where are all the D6's that were the backbone of the fleet at this time. This show is just to lame to be ST.
@warhammernerd52Daxx-Lorenzo898
6 жыл бұрын
The Daspu Class Toiletbrush ship, wonder if there's also a fleet of plumbing-themed ships out there: thanks for the laugh
@LostChrisB
6 жыл бұрын
Is the Daspu' meant to be some sort of boarding torpedo? It immediatly made me think of 40k, but that could just be lack of perspective in relation to any other ship. Then the Veqlargh picture popped up and I'm stuck in 40k, that is clearly a winged mace or a space marine standard, then the Batlh pop's up next and it's Lando's ship from star wars legends, I think i might be stuck in the wrong fictional universes.
@clouless7032
6 жыл бұрын
“Toilet brush”, you just made my day! The Klingon Bird of Prey does have this Goa’uld Death Glider vibe, indeed. But then the Nimitz Class seems to have a X-302 wedged between its upper nacelles. Great video as always! Thanks for this awesome entertainment.
@ukmediawarrior
6 жыл бұрын
Windows on the rest of the ship is one thing .. a window on your Bridge, the most important part of the ship which if something happens to it could cripple the ship ... yeah, that's something else entirely.
@thequickestssd6494
6 жыл бұрын
I dont mind watching it but just never makes me think "this is star trek"
@thequickestssd6494
6 жыл бұрын
And there all to dark
@mikea2363
6 жыл бұрын
The Veqlargh neck makes me very nervous. I would never want to be in the front, that thing is gona snap in half just by turning
@James-xs9mn
6 жыл бұрын
ikr, just aim for the neck with a couple of well placed phaser hits and its gone. real phasers mind you not the gross Star wars pew pew pew that Dicovery has latched onto.
@espalorp3286
6 жыл бұрын
It's not T H I C C enough. That thing would snap off on a cold day.
@simpsonfan13
6 жыл бұрын
"WAAAAHHHHH STAR WARS!" Grow up 12-year old.
@charleswade2514
6 жыл бұрын
I love studying various starship/series designs. Some ships are cool while others leave you scratching your head.
@mogs23
6 жыл бұрын
One question who is the clown who designed the Klingon ships must had been smoking drugs
@garomcfbgdd3211
6 жыл бұрын
I had the same question about the entire show.
@ConsciousnessisRough
6 жыл бұрын
He's snorting the pot! He's smoking the crazy mushrooms! He's eating that crack! crazy hippies!
@Ozraptor4
6 жыл бұрын
(looks up from designing Klingon fleet)... Hey, how about a session, you and us? It would sound!
@FerGon77
6 жыл бұрын
i was thinking the same thing about the "new" klinglons .... someone really messed up with that.
@rolandbach8664
6 жыл бұрын
Justin Morgan: A star trek fan as he lives and breathes, you must be so proud of yourself.
@milanondrak5564
4 жыл бұрын
The crossfield class looks like the Cardassians were trying to make a ship that would pass as a federation from a distance.
@Kvantovy
6 жыл бұрын
Those ships look... low quality. Like something from an older video game, especially the textures on Starfleet ships look to me like this. I wonder if thats the reason they use so much contrast and other visual effects during space battles, to hide it :D And Klingon ships look like they were made by Xenomorphs.
@shawnmcglamery812
6 жыл бұрын
They look like someone was playing guitar hero and said hey this would make a cool ship
@russell5078084
5 жыл бұрын
I just read that the actor who played Nog on Deep Space 9 has passed away at the age of 50. 09-22-19. RIP.
@danielmatei4590
6 жыл бұрын
It's like they want us to hate this new ships .Good thing that they can't introduce and butcher any Romulan ships .
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
next season.
@silentdrew7636
5 жыл бұрын
@@sheilaolfieway1885 you mean Season 4
@KittyFaerie1
6 жыл бұрын
I will say this much - I give them props for making that pun with the "Hoover-class" looking like a roomba vacuum cleaner... XD
@kobalticyt
6 жыл бұрын
Could you go over some of your favorite ship designs from Star Trek Online?
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I would love to see his opinions on the "modern"(tier 6) Federation ships, I think the hull texture they have is gorgeous
@mr5yy
6 жыл бұрын
That sounds like an awesome idea!
@lukedogwalker
5 жыл бұрын
That Klingon "destroyer" looks like someone melted an electric guitar. And the Batlh class thing at the end - I wouldn't be surprised to see Bruce Willis driving around in that in the Fifth Element. You can see little bits of canon Klingon designs here and there. The "toilet brush" ship (I really hope that name catches on) has a piece of BoP architecture about midway along its length in the form of those interlocking hinges that seem to raise and lower the original BoP's wings... although on the toilet brush they don't seem to move. Maybe we should Britishize that name to Bog Brush? Then we can have the BoP and the BB!
@CheifLoser128
6 жыл бұрын
Cardenas-Class aka X-Wing Enterprise XD
@jerelo175
6 жыл бұрын
NobleSuit28 aka another ship that’s an x-wing looking one, but an older ship design than this
@kimnice
6 жыл бұрын
Or Starfury from Babylon 5..that has a saucer attached to it.
@lukasbocker6740
4 жыл бұрын
The backward arch-like section on the Nimitz class resembles a klingon ship in some way. It would be super cool to see that section detatch as a light escort vessel
@phantom117b4
6 жыл бұрын
I still prefer the old D-7 class cruiser
@theadro91
6 жыл бұрын
My new favourite line on KZitem: "It looks like a ball of greeblies in a cylinder".
@ValkGame
6 жыл бұрын
God the hulls on the starfleet ships look like we've gone back to Lightwave 3D textures from Babylon 5. Also Hoover Class: Because it looks like a roomba.
@Spino2Earth
5 жыл бұрын
The Cardenas Class reminds me a bit of the Prometheus Class.
@kikas500
6 жыл бұрын
if only Prelude to Axanar would have been made instead off discovery i think everybody would have been much happier
@N7Masterchief1
6 жыл бұрын
kikas500 so true!
@TheSpaceKiwi
6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the Nimitz and Cardenas class ships and I'm looking forward to getting their models!
@ZeroB4NG
6 жыл бұрын
none of these will ever find their way on my shelf, i can tell you that much.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
nor will my STO characters haul trash in these. Oh I'm sorry i meant nor will my characters In STO Be hauling these as scrap
@natelenz8595
6 жыл бұрын
Star Fleet: ship designers all went to the same design school. Klingon Empire: like they just swiped ships from everybody else.
@Lukos0036
6 жыл бұрын
They leaned too hard on JJ Abrams aesthetic from the new trek movies. They try too hard to make the Klingons look "alien" and different for the sake of different. Whatever Discovery is, it's not trek.
@g.waldmeister1851
6 жыл бұрын
Especially when you take into account that their goal was to have the Klingons not just "space Soviets" but a a fleshed-out society with individuals we can relate to. And what have we gotten so far? Very weird guys who can't talk trough their heavy prosthetics and who act more dishonorably than any Duras could have ever conceived. And I'm still in the cautiously optimistic "pro Discovery" camp.
@RowanJColeman
6 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't disregard an entire show just because of some design missteps. There's a lot of great stuff in Discovery so far.
@90lancaster
6 жыл бұрын
They cast a ton of Klingons and most of them showed up for a few seconds barely spoke and didn't do a lot - the two who kidnapped Cornwell may show up again simply as that is all they have left to use (well other than Vok & L'Rell). I don't think they have a spare 3 weeks to turning him back - unless L'Rell finds out there is a Mirror Vok and tries to recruit him instead. - But I expect Burnham is going to shoot him so he may not be around to be a thorn in anyone's side - and he might not even be a bad guy either - or he might be worse if they want to imply Vok is only "So Bad". Hard to say - he's really messed up at the moment.
@Shortsircut1
6 жыл бұрын
Like the fact that you have to subscribe to yet one more streaming video service in order to watch it! Yea that's a really great thing...NOT!
@Hellsong89
6 жыл бұрын
Rowan J Coleman I disregarded whole show before episode 1 intro... I mean who in their right mind breaks prime directive in very start of the show, drops whole star ship for non warp species to see, shows energy weapon to them and interferes natural evolution of that species. Top of that show has most modern tech in all of the series, even though its based on past. There is no mention about spore drive in time line vise future series, klingons evolution is ridiculous say to least. Trow in SJW issues like main character with female name, gay romance and so on.... i dont know how they could have fucked this up so badly!? when Enterprice was in comparison a master peace.. I hate when directors try to chance already proven time line. It would have been so much better to put their sights into future, something like after Voyager on year 2400, where their journey in Delta quadrant would explain high tech level. No.. Discovery is not Canon and never will be least for me. Pretty CGI wont save the shitty show.
@davidallen803
6 жыл бұрын
Hoover Class looks like a sleek, oversized Millenium Falcon, and the Magee Class looks like a Battle Star Galactica Cylon fighter from the original series. Cardenas class look like a blend between the NX-01 series and an X-Wing fighter. You said not cool for the 2256 Bird of Prey and I agree only it looks like someone took a Ferengi Cruser removed the center section that juts out and then put feathers on it and said done. The Batlh Class looks like it came out of Dune and not the Klingon Empire. The first two Klingon designs look like they took a personal weapon and tried to make a ship out of it.
@cmj0929
6 жыл бұрын
As far as the federation designs it seems like they took a LOT of art direction from STO
@zafranorbian757
6 жыл бұрын
But sadly more from the 2010 design of STO and not the far better Odyssey class and onwards designs, wich look much better.
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
Zafran Orbian - Yeah, I think the Hull texturing on the modern STO ships is gorgeous, I would love to see some of their designs rendered in cinematic level CGI.
@zafranorbian757
6 жыл бұрын
I second that.
@Curios_Cat
6 жыл бұрын
I love shepherd class starship too!
@asphaltmemories4597
6 жыл бұрын
Can I just say, the Discovery's design is one of my favorites. Just for the fact that it is heavily based on the concept art from the planned 1970's star trek reboot. Im just so damn sick of prequels tho, give me something post dominion war.
@mr5yy
6 жыл бұрын
Now that sounds fantastic!
@l0rf
6 жыл бұрын
You can really only go to star trek online for post dominion war original timeline trek
@ppenmudera4687
6 жыл бұрын
FINALLY! Someone who doesn't hate USS Discovery! I love Discovery a lot. The way the soucer is placed above the second hull, the long nacelles, it's so well-ballanced compaired to the trailer version. Yet somehow people dislike Discovery... The Klingon ships look ridiculous. I give you that one.
@gabnel1000
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I have a question, what are you implying by saying "keep an open mind and a positive attitude".
@joshuakeller7217
3 жыл бұрын
Spacedock is perpetuating everything wrong with star trek's current state
@BON3SMcCOY
6 жыл бұрын
Really like these "Daniel's thoughts/Captain's log" videos. Cool hearing more opinion/analysis either than the straight data of the regular ship profiles.
@MikMoen
6 жыл бұрын
I really wish they just stuck with the visual style of the new films. I generally hate Starfleet ships across the board but I still think the incredibly simple Kelvin looks a lot better than these. 7:16 Though looks like a Carrier of some sort. I'm guessing those are two large shuttle bay doors on each side of the Saucer that lead into a large section of the Hull. Looks like it's a Hangar deck and that intrigues me cause there really isn't any dedicated Carrier starship in Starfleet.
@ConsciousnessisRough
6 жыл бұрын
Jupiter class from STO is a carrier, but that's the only one I know of.
@QuantumTempus
6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the valkyrie class (or "Typhon" in Star Trek Armada 3) is a dedicated carrier.
@builder396
6 жыл бұрын
There is also the fictional midway class that you could download for star trek bridge commander.
@90lancaster
6 жыл бұрын
Something like this It's New BSG crossed with the Kelvin-timeline but you can actually see what the heck is going on and they have actual ships you can see that are not cloaked in total shadow : kzitem.info/news/bejne/wqdttaZ3qHVnjHo This one is F***ing Georgeous : kzitem.info/news/bejne/sXiLtKKNkqpmZJw
@builder396
6 жыл бұрын
Runabouts exist though and have a reasonable combat performance (like having a reasonable chance against jemhadar attack ships) considering they are glorified shuttles. Take the same guns, shields and engines and build only a cockpit instead of full sleeping accomodations and voila you should have a pretty decent fighter that in groups would be serious trouble for something up to the size of a Galor. (Which is also how the Maquis hold their own against the cardassian military so well)
@sirtanon1
4 жыл бұрын
The first time I saw a picture showing the Discovery, I thought to myself "That looks almost like they took the back half of a Klingon D7 and attached a Starfleet saucer section to it."
@zulioner7880
6 жыл бұрын
at first i thought we are talking about gorn ships or something... but when i saw "bird of prey" i had a heart attack
@charless2450
6 жыл бұрын
That Batlh class looks like something you would see flying around in one of the Dune movies.
@eurosn7322
6 жыл бұрын
Batlh class you mean Moya transport shuttle?
@nsg_kuunda4786
4 жыл бұрын
The balth class looks like something I'd use to taxi around Archades
@858Markus
6 жыл бұрын
LOL. Non of those look like anything Klingon.
@dangwancie4797
4 жыл бұрын
Not even the Klingon look like Klingon
@MidnightSt
6 жыл бұрын
10:00 yeah, this is like "OOOOOHHHHH, SO *THIS* IS WHAT ALL THE LATER DESIGNS EVOLVED FROM!" Nice. Likey. Makes chronological sense while at the same time is pretty original with its most of mass being at the back joint and being kinda circular. Yes please, thank you very much.
@jlsstirbis9339
6 жыл бұрын
Bird of prey better looks like it is stolen other universe design. Stargate.
@sheilaolfieway1885
5 жыл бұрын
just like the klingon stick ship looks like a stolen early Borg ship.
@TheCaptainCrack
6 жыл бұрын
I like how the Nimitzclass packed its warpdrive above the saucer... This is effectively reducing its frame making it harder to hit and easier to shield while still improving the protection of the humans inside. I can imagine how this little ship can take quite the beating on shields AND hull Its build like a tank where the motor of the tank was put in front of the drivers as an extra-layer of protection...
@simonc586
6 жыл бұрын
I like most of the new ships except the Discovery, I like that ship about as much as the show itself.
@winsarun7916
6 жыл бұрын
They look cool but out of place It's like seeing Zumwalt-class destoreyer in WWII Era And DiscoveryThe ship look hidous and The Spore drive is basically soo out of place basically Medichorian Drive is what that thing is they could have called it Sup space jump device and it's would have been more fitting to the universe
@joshuakeller7217
3 жыл бұрын
Fungus powered FTL Kill me
@JD-sw2qk
6 жыл бұрын
you're channel, is the best!! the cloaking video was great, no one understands how useless it is unless you are looking out of a window.. lol and you just understand the physics of space! keep up the great work, thank you!!
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
ohhhhhh, the cardenas class is very nice (I've always been a fan of 4 nacelle ships, I love the squarish module/structure that runs kinda through the whole hull, and I really like the black... Pattern/livery I guess, kind of like how you can add stuff like that in STO), But it pains me because I would love a show based around a ship/s like that in a post Voyager/Nemesis show, not yet another prequel! Talking about STO, I wonder what your opinion on the "modern" (as in the tier 6 ships)Federation ships they've designed, I think the hull pattern they have is gorgeous.
@Shortsircut1
6 жыл бұрын
Dreadnought AI, I really like the STO Federation ships as well. Do you play often, and did you get the new Breen ship from the 2017 winter wonder land?
@brothersgt.grauwolff6716
6 жыл бұрын
I did 😎
@dreadnought-ai
6 жыл бұрын
Shortsircut1 - pretty often, I have the new ship but I can't unpack it because my ship slots are full lol. I have to ditch one of them.
@krazipynaple
6 жыл бұрын
😉 Agreed. Even though it looks like a B5 starfury crashed into a flying saucer, the design is really cool overall.
@rodrigogascagomez5190
6 жыл бұрын
Dreadnought AI I'm not very good at Trek lore so what do you think is the namesake for the Cardenas class?
@casbot71
6 жыл бұрын
The Magee class can have the nacelles in that position if they use the Defiant solution. Each nacelle is actually a double nacelle so the warp field still has line of sight, so in effect it's a four nacelle design with the nacelles mounted in close pairs.
@ArmageddonEvil
6 жыл бұрын
The heck? The Bird of prey is stupid looking... But I do like the Starfleet ships.
@Qardo
6 жыл бұрын
ArmageddonEvil Klingon Ships. Even in the "Prime Timeline". Really aren't known for looks.
@michaelsaumure7697
6 жыл бұрын
Qugh class evokes a feel of an electric guitar. And Batlh (the tlh is usually pronounced with the tongue behind your upper front teeth, so kinda like bat with a lisp, emphasis on the B though) means honor in the Klingon language, or it used to anyway.
@treevenewson
6 жыл бұрын
Like Disney has done to Star Wars, this new group has totally butchered Star Trek. These new series are an insult to life long fans.
@legolaven
6 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt say Disney has butchered star wars, i mean firstly, on a related note, The new ship designs are great! Yea most of them look similar to original trilogy stuff but that makes sense to me, and the improvements they've done are good. The only things i dont like about The Disney stuff are some of The continuity errors, and how cheaply they sometimes pander (and a few other things, but nothing big)
@Leahey1
6 жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself, my 70 year old dad is an 'actual' lifelong ST fan who watched TOS when it first came out, and he loves Discovery.
@pavarottiaardvark3431
4 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the angular boxy Federation designs. The Walker, Engle, Nimitz and Shepard Class all look great. The Magee looks odd, but hey it's tiny and the nacelles are bulky so it doesn't totally break immersion. Crossfield looks weird but guess what it's an experimental design for a science vessel!
@starmaster1332
6 жыл бұрын
I think it would be cool if these ships were stripped of the CGI and made like the original NCC-1701 was made. Then i would definatly be on board with their designs. It’s not the coloring but the shape of some parts like the nacelles on say the Sheppard Class, do not entirely seem to fit in with a time period 10 yrs prior to TOS. But i can live with that. It’s the Klingon ships i have a true rage for. They freaking suck! Especially that Daspu class and Qugh class destroyer. do not fit the Klingon ship profile. even the “Bird of Prey” is not dry well done. I hope they incorporate ships from TOS in later seasons if their are any later seasons.
@AlexGellel
6 жыл бұрын
On the design changes I’m convinced it’s more of a ‘Star Trek would look like this if it was produced with modern visuals’ type scenario
@AgnosticProle
6 жыл бұрын
I don't consider discovery to be a continuation of the other star trek series, it's closer to the jj abomination.
@simpsonfan13
6 жыл бұрын
"NYYYYAAAAAAHHHH!!!! IT'S NOT THE SAAAAAAAMMMEEEE!!!!!!" Fuck off TOS jockey. Discovery is awesome. The only thing you're right about is that this should be an AU.
@EvanG529
6 жыл бұрын
JJ Trek is great. Discovery is the real abomination. I don't see it as canon.
@2157AF
6 жыл бұрын
TOS is now the abomination, Disco is da best man.
@EverydayCommentary
6 жыл бұрын
"Looks like a toilet brush" SO GOOD.
@frostpuma304
6 жыл бұрын
Toilet brush, yeah.
@espalorp3286
6 жыл бұрын
everything is a dildo if you're honourable enough
@scpguy1381
2 жыл бұрын
4:10 it could be that the nacelle put out less radios but it goes slower.
@TheGuardingDark_
6 жыл бұрын
What shocks me about the Klingon ships. Is that some human being, or group of human beings. Had to sit in a room and design these ships. And not see anything wrong with them. And then that person, or group of persons. Then had to take that to another person. Or group of persons. And then that person had to say something to the effect of: "There is nothing blatantly wrong or visually unappealing about these designs. We should put them in our new flagship show which is a part of one of the most popular and beloved sci-fi properties in existence." And at no point during this entire process, did anyone have the sense to put their foot down and say "HELL. TO. THE. NO."
@Stealth17Gaming
6 жыл бұрын
Cardenas class looks like a Prometheus that had a collision. Are they ramming Romulan/Reman ships again...?
@bohellan6227
6 жыл бұрын
I can live with the new Federation design, considering they had a very limited effects budget when G.R. first made TOS, I can make the designs make sense. But the KDF ships, oh my god the klingons have gone mad and taken inspiration from ugly modern day "masterpieces". I cannot believe that a warrior race with an appreciation for aesthetics would design something so hideos. Still following the show though, maybe they'll change it up and make some interesting choices, and steer away from the mary sue angle, I guess we'll wait and see.
@Novarcharesk
6 жыл бұрын
Remember that when TNG came out in the late 80s, the first season was thought to be the only one before it failed, and it was pretty crap. I'm loyal enough to watch it when I start the series over, but damn. With feedback and gaining the feel of the show, I can only guess that Discovery gets better (I still think it's pretty good as it is imho).
@ryusantos6145
6 жыл бұрын
The Batlh class ship reminds me of something out of "The Fifth Element"
@karistonwulfe
6 жыл бұрын
The bird of prey is too reminiscent of some of the Romulan ships in STO, and all the other Klingon ships are... crap. The Federation ships at least look like federation ships, albeit from the wrong century lol.
@johnbrickel6446
6 жыл бұрын
You win because you brought up the Behemoth from WC3. Excellent statement
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed
6 жыл бұрын
Stop! You violated the lore! Pay the court a fine or serve youre sentence!
@pendraco2000
6 жыл бұрын
Your stolen ideas are now forfeit!
@GRReviews
6 жыл бұрын
The Hoover Class looks like it could be a carrier ship with those two massive bays on top of the hull.
@AlphariusXXth
6 жыл бұрын
STD is absolute trash.
@Transgender-ProphetMohammed
6 жыл бұрын
Man i miss real star trek like ds9.
@Borealis-Rainbow
6 жыл бұрын
Although I agree the Klingon ships are bad have you watched Star Trek? All of Star Trek has been about Humanism and tried to show why humans regardless of race or gender can overcome their differences and create an utopia. Say all you want about "SJW" and "Political Correct" but all of that has been integral parts of Star Trek since its original inception, Gene Roddenberry himself made the cast diverse to reflect humanity more at large. I won't complain that you dislike Discovery but calling it "Feminist shit" is to insult all of Star Trek....
@CybershamanX
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I, too, have the feeling that all of these people who say Trek is ostensibly "SJW" have never watched a single episode in their life. It's like some sort of Pavlovian response that they've been trained to do. Truth be told, other than the gay couple, I find the show to be hardly controversial in the least. Even a gay couple is passé today. I have yet to see Discovery challenge me on any sort of intellectual/moral level. Something which was a mainstay throughout every series previously. If the thought of a female with a typically male gender first name causes you to go into fits of rage, you really need to seriously reconsider some aspects of your life. Yes, Aurora, Trek has always been about a diverse class of characters who, even if in some cases their culture didn't get along with certain others, somehow managed to get along and work together in a tight spot. Usually becoming fast friends in the end, even if they still didn't agree on certain things. Discovery did the opposite, with a somewhat diverse cast of characters who obviously loath being together and never hesitate to put each other down in some way. :/
@Generalscorpio
6 жыл бұрын
Yeah but in other Star Trek series it was very rarely a focus, it seems like a lot of the promotion of Discovery has been about how progressive it is whereas series like DS9 and Voyager never even questioned someone's position, equal treatment of people regardless of race or gender was there but it was never the most important thing. That's why I liked it because it wasn't treating the presence of black or female captain as something special or progressive, all the characters just acted as though this was the norm. Whereas a lot of the hype around Discovery has focussed more on how progressive it looks than on whether it's a worthy part of the Star Trek canon. Actual progressivism isn't focussed on gender or race issues because it just treats everyone the same, that's how we progress as a society.
@CybershamanX
6 жыл бұрын
This just in: The Trekyards guys just posted a video about the Constitution class! Hold onto your butts and set your phasers to "Ugh" before heading here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/soigvW2Eqph9o2k
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