I don't see Trelane as an adult who never grew up, I see him as an actual child, somewhere around what a ten year old human would be, who is playing grown up. The analysis works either way of course.
@jimbob3332
3 жыл бұрын
"He's not a child, he's 34!"
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
Trelane is Q's illegitimate son.
@TheRetu81
3 жыл бұрын
"A child plays war". That was taken to a more literal result in computer game Star Trek: Judgement Rites, where Trelane (voice acted by the original actor) is interested in World War 1. One of the possible endings of the scenario involves goading Trelane to recreate a realistic scene of the front and showing that real war is horrible. He then blames Kirk for ruining the game, because that version isn't fun anymore.
@jeffreymaxson6216
3 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that Trelane's aesthetic is Napoleon. Here you have a French man tormenting the captain of the enterprise. While in TNG Picard is a French captain who is periodically tormented by Q.
@SeruraRenge11
2 жыл бұрын
Also that Q dressed in Napoleonic aesthetic as well.
@Edax_Royeaux
2 жыл бұрын
@@SeruraRenge11 If you google "Marshal of France", you will see what a Marshal of France actually looks like and a picture of Q, looking like a British general because his costume is complete crap.
@AdamCollings
3 жыл бұрын
I like the theory that Trelane was a member of the Q at a much less developed stage of their civilisation.
@jimj9729
3 жыл бұрын
The interior set of this episode with Trelane at the harpsicord was heavily influenced by, if not actually lifted from, the 1932 movie The Most Dangerous Game, which was an adaptation of the short story of the same name. Also the idea of the hunt came from that story as well. I recommend watching that movie if you get a chance. The similarity is immediately apparent.
@phemyda94
3 жыл бұрын
The alcohol having no flavor makes me think about kids having "tea parties", i.e. pretending to sip imaginary tea out of plastic china.
@athrunzala6919
3 жыл бұрын
Q-Squared is one of my favourite ST novels, think bak on it fondly. Q "You have to help me Jon-Luc, he's driving me insane!" Picard did something he never thought he would ever do before, he laughed in Q's face. You should do some ruminations on Peter David's books
@Ozzy_2014
2 жыл бұрын
Or the scene where Guinan who was properly angry at Trelane on Geordi's and Deanna's behalf stalks up on Trelane.."Guinan taking the pitcher of water in her hands( and possibly her life) turns the pitcher upside down over his head!" Now that is a memorable line.
@FreihEitner
3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, I never put together that this was the same actor who played Koloth. And agreed, he gave an excellent performance here.
@donovanbradford8231
3 жыл бұрын
A wonderful breakdown of this episode. I think that William Campbell's performance was really key to why Treleane and the Q came about. I also like that line of Scotty shoveling Yomen into the engines and that's why we see so many until some point in season 2.
@stuartwald2395
3 жыл бұрын
Trelane is part of the "P". They are close to the Q, but not quite.
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
Beta canon established that Trelane is Q's illegitimate son
@Ozzy_2014
2 жыл бұрын
Nor an M? From I, Q.
@athrunzala6919
3 жыл бұрын
"I just can't do it Cap'n, I don't have the Yoman's!"
@TheAnimeAlliance
3 жыл бұрын
I've really enjoyed your ruminations as a companion to the series. I'd seen the TOS movies, TNG, and Voyager. But, it wasn't till the last few years I became a diehard fan after watching DS9. Now I have to consume everything Star Trek, including the original series. I appreciate the context you add to these episodes.
@gallendugall8913
3 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of the star desert. I could assume they are travelling through one of the gaps in the galactic arms, but Trek's connection to reality (even it's own asserted reality) has always been tenuous.
@tee_es_bee
2 жыл бұрын
"Just like I do ... wait!" 🤣 Well done on the analysis. Trellane was very well acted. Did not know Q was based on a previous STO character. It is the most memorable character so far (along with the leader turned actor) for me.
@lancebaylis3169
3 жыл бұрын
I think Trelane is more dangerous than Q. Q is an adult, nominally. And although he can definitely be dangerous and certainly somewhat impish sometimes, he comes to us wielding his powers with a logical, adult perspective. When he pops up, it's usually as a trickster god trying to teach us a lesson. Data refers to him in "All Good Things" as being not unlike the relationship between an owner and its beloved pet. Q might throw the Borg at us, but he does so from the same perspective as a parent that allows little Timmy to fall off the swings as a lesson not to climb them. Q might, like that parent, even administer a bandage afterwards. But he's very clearly always trying to push humans to learn. Picard specifically, but humans generally. Trelane is not an adult. He has all the powers Q does, as far as we can tell. But he doesn't have Q's morality, he doesn't have Q's interest in humans, he doesn't have a matured adult sense of empathy. He's overjoyed to meet the Enterprise crew, but treats them as inferior generally and plays with them like a cat playing with a mouse. Tormenting it before getting bored of the chase and arbitarily killing it. That kind of maliciousness isn't typical of Q. But it is very much Trelane. That we first meet him as the "Squire of Gothos", living up the fantasy of being some harmless fop when he's really a child playing pretend and using real people as his toys, this is what makes Trelane more dangerous than Q. When we see the likes of the M113 Salt Vampire decorating his parlor, frozen in time just as Captain Kirk and Sulu were for a while, we're supposed to realise that this is a very, very dangerous being indeed. It takes more powerful, but morally grounded, beings to stop Trelane: his parents. The adults literally have to come along and scold him. You could argue that Q Junior in Star Trek: Voyager is a closer analogue to Trelane than Q Senior is. There's a child Q, with no morals and no natural empathy for other species. Q Junior, like Trelane, is arguably more dangerous than his father. As an aside: Campbell returns to the role, as the voice of Trelane in the 1993 videogame Star Trek: Judgement Rites (alongside the rest of the original Star Trek cast), this time styling himself as The Baron Of Gothos, a WW1 German bomber pilot. He's utterly brilliant, and it makes me sad that we never got to see a rematch between the Enterprise and Trelane in the series proper.
@eddstarr2185
3 жыл бұрын
TV Guide Magazine ran a poll in 1970 of favorite Star Trek episodes, #1 was "The Trouble with Tribbles". By the end of the century, various Star Trek polls charted, "The Squire of Gothos", as the new favorite TOS episode. As Trelane, William Campbell is outstanding! Like an alien Peter Pan, Trelane's lack of knowledge is endearing to behold, and offers Kirk the opportunity to save his ship and crew, as well as himself. "Dead, Dead, Dead!" - dialog delivered perfectly by William Campbell . . . in the shadow of the hangman's noose.
@jamesallen9325
3 жыл бұрын
I love this episode, and like you, love William Campbell’s performance. One of the best exchanges (which I’m mildly surprised you didn’t mention) is between him and Spock: Spock: I object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power without constructive purpose. A trenchant barb if ever there was one. Trelane responds cheerily without skipping a beat: Oh, Mr. Spock, you do have one saving grace after all - you're ill mannered! A nice part of how this exchange is edited is shots of a smiling Kirk reacting to the exchange, like he’s watching a tennis match Great stuff. Not a perfect episode, but it always will be one of my favorite TOS episodes. William Campbell’s performance alone is worth the price of admission. Love the content, LR. The background info contextualizing things is breathing new life into episodes I’ve watched a hundred times. Well done.
@stevena488
3 жыл бұрын
William Campbell doesn't get enough love. Without William Campbell, you don't get John De Lancies Q. And in relation to William Campbell and his wig, Shatner was just jealous because his own wig would have been in jeopardy. "Someone else gets more attention for his hair than I am!? NOT ON MY WATCH!" I jest but Shatner wasn't a very nice person back then, hence he unleashed those albums to us.... I still haven't forgiven him for the Transformed Man
@SeruraRenge11
2 жыл бұрын
The entire wig thing was basically Campbell saying "but it's the wrong wig for the nationality Trelane is pretending to be, it's historically inaccurate"
@christopherleodaniels7203
2 жыл бұрын
I think the main difference between Charlie and Trelane could be that Charlie is not a Thasian but is human and was given powers to survive with no real parental supervision. The late arrival of the Thasians, is met with begging and pleading to stay. According to Charlie, “They Don’t Love!!!”. He “can’t even touch them”. Trelane’s parents arrive late as well, but they’re his parents, who love him, give him certain freedoms to play but catch him being mean to other life forms, speak to him like parents, imposing boundaries if his behavior doesn’t improve, etc…. He’s willful, and he wants to stay out longer, but he’s not terrified of going back to them. He’s just miffed, but he’ll be fine after dinner, as any seven year old might be. Trelane is an energy being slumming it as a person, whereas Charlie is a person, given the powers of an energy being, which we see repeatedly on TOS, is not something our evolution has properly prepared us for. Unlike Trelane’s people or the Thasians, or The Metrones, we haven’t matured enough to have earned it yet.
@SchneeflockeMonsoon
5 ай бұрын
I like to think the Yeomans on the Enterprise get promoted really quickly because they’re working under Kirk which is kind of the fast track.
@Eudaimonist
3 жыл бұрын
I'd say that the Q should have been Trelane's species pushed to the level of the Organians.
@Ozzy_2014
2 жыл бұрын
Spoiler; In Q-Squared it is implied but not confirmed that Trelane is Q's illegitimate child. That he and Trelane's mother had some sort of improper relationship. Impossible of course as Q was a scoundrel for lack of better word and the mother was a fine upstanding Lady Q of the most proper type. It is presumably where the idea of q came from.
@TheAnimeAlliance
3 жыл бұрын
Having watched this episode without the context you've provided regarding the creation of Q by Gene, the impression I got was that Trelane was obvious an inspiration for Q, but definitely not a Q.
@Tuning3434
3 жыл бұрын
So, had a major case of Deja Vu 2 minutes in, and then I realized Chuck did this episode recently.
@coreycampbell1689
3 жыл бұрын
i always wondered why Kirk didn't just play along for awhile and really get to know this being instead of resorting to his usual belligerence. After all the majority of his mission was to seek out new life...and Trelane was a doozy example. And if you're gonna go on that mission you have to realize that there are going to be civilizations that have more power than you, and who don't necessarily share your sense of morality.
@williamozier918
3 жыл бұрын
25:48. Whhhoooaaa....I know you were just joking kinda, but that comment just blew my Headcannons mind!
@patsk8872
3 жыл бұрын
You'd have to throw out several Q episodes of Voyager to think Trelane could be a Q or that they're just playing with technology. Remember "the Q didn't come into existence, the Q have always existed."
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
That is what Q says. He also said they are omnipotent. From our perspective how far is infinite? If we met someone halfway way to infinite could we perceive a difference? Lady Q burst that bubble. What if there species was simply the first to develop time travel and create a time loop where they go back to the earliest habitatable time in the universe and deposited thier own colony there. Assuring they will be the first oldest species in existence and watch all life form. Perhaps poking and prodding, editing along the way?
@mrred773
2 жыл бұрын
Squire of Gothos - Red ("I wouldah! I wouldah...! I wouldah..." I feel bad for Trelain. Sorta wish Kirk met him again for another play session or something. Great episode.)
@MathewRenfro
Жыл бұрын
Futurama episode where no fan has gone before features Melvarr naturally knock off who kidnaps the original cast and at the end of the episode as parents come by and has never had a job and still lives in their basement. It's hilarious and it's highly recommended if you've never seen it. All the original cast members reprise their roles.
@MariahSyn
3 жыл бұрын
It would work itself out in a few billion years. When the debris coalesced the heavier elements would sink just look at the composition of our own planet that changed a lot from its initial formation. (Re: the Planet)
@fredrikcarlstedt393
3 жыл бұрын
So basically, Squire Trelane is Eric T. Cartman .
@quasimodojdls
2 жыл бұрын
So, the Enterprise crew encounter Trelane.... another day, another god-like being. This time the alien in question has a noticeable taste for 19th century Earth. Isn't it lucky for him that a ship full of the very species he has such a fascination with just happens to show up? Good thing for him this wasn't a Klingon ship. He creates a banquet, dancing, some shooting and eventually a hunt to the death for them. Well, I will admit that Trelane sure does understand 19th century Human culture down to a T, doesn't he? The problem with this episode is that it's basically a rehash of "Charlie X", which was already a rehash of "Where No Man Has Gone Before". There's a being with superpowers who doesn't yet have the maturity to use them responsibly. The solution, yet again, is too just wait until the grown-ups show up and take him away.... another day, another deus-ex-machina. William Campbell's performance is enjoyable, however, and he almost saves the episode, but not quite. 5/10
@dirtywashedupsparkle
3 жыл бұрын
Whereas Q is a reckless omnipotent and uncaring of what he causes, Trelane's actions really stretch out the potential impact of what he threatens to do, and so we savour the gravity of danger that much more. Trelane is a baby with power tools, slowly about to drill people's heads. Q just shoots them off and laughs.
@holden3
2 жыл бұрын
Ur Trelaine is spot on
@maisiesummers42
3 жыл бұрын
About two months before the release of this video, LoreReloaded put out a video discussing the Trelane/Q speculation. It's a theory that's still alive and well.
@jesusisasocialist
3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of what George Takei said about William Shatner on set of tos. Threw his weight about too much.
@thegneech
3 жыл бұрын
Why Trelaine? Because of that clearly "not evil, just doesn't get it" thing, and the dressing down at the end. Anybody who's been in big trouble with mom and dad remembers how awful that feels.
@balatroaprilis7265
3 жыл бұрын
It amuses me that Takei one-ups Shatner. When they appear on the raised platform Shatner puts his butt on the and slides over it, but Takei VAULTS over it. Also, the Q always reminded me of the witches and warlocks from "Bewitched"- powerful, but frivolous, capricious, annoying, etc. Unlike the Organians.
@Analog_Mind47
2 жыл бұрын
I personally believe that Trelene was Our Q when he was a child
@Lord_Reavous
3 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with this Rumination. I'm not sure Trelane is an adult that hasn't grown; if he's a Q then we really don't understand their children. Q's son was in a teen body when he showed up in Voyager. That was a short period and Qs can take, really, any form. So it's hard to say, they tend to want the appearance of authority and being an adult is a prerequisite. So I imagine he chose his appearance accordingly to his desires.
@comentedonakeyboard
3 жыл бұрын
And finaly we figure out how the Warp Drive realy works (and where all the Yeomen go)
@Jose_Hunters_EWF_Remixes
3 жыл бұрын
There may be something wrong with this link because it's the only Lorerunner link which does not play, although I totally accept that the problem might be in my computer
@BS-nw1qr
3 жыл бұрын
I think a better analogy would be something from a realm of superheroes. For example, both Superman and Green Lantern can fly and shoot laser beams. But with Superman, it is an inherent ability, which he needs to learn in the same way as humans learn walking. With Green Lantern, flight comes with the ring, a tool, that is controlled by his will, but a tool nonetheless.
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
Nitpick. Superman's heat vision is infrared not a laser. How exactly one projects infrared in a tightly focused narrow beam is unclear, let alone organically.
@Eelco_de_Boer
3 жыл бұрын
Summary: Uhura discovers supspace interference on a rogue planet. Suddenly Sulu and Kirk are beamed away. When a landing party is sent after them they are met by General Trelane (retired), the squire of Gothos. Will Kirk succeed to escape from this childish god-like figure? (very fun episode, not top-tier but enjoyable and memorable. With the extra bonus of the eternal question: is Trelane a Q?)
@Eudaimonist
3 жыл бұрын
It's a very good question to ask why people think about Trelane instead of Charlie. I think that's because people like Trelane far more than Charlie. At least, that's true for me.
@jankostrhun8725
3 жыл бұрын
Just to clarify: Clarke's law does not mean that advanced enough tech will suddenly becomes magic, but that it will look as such to outside observer take your iPhone to ancient Greeks and they won't be able to understand it in any other way then in the terms of magic. Same goes for Q. If they use tools, those are so ludicrously advanced it barely matters as all limitations we seem might be self imposed. And ff you have gadgets so advanced that changing gravitational constant of the universe is your go-to solution to prevent moon crashing into a planet... well I thing that kinda speak for itself. Sure there is a difference but it's relevant only in some sort of internal conflict and when meeting other god-like entities.
@sciverzero8197
Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling the intent of the "mirror couldn't be maintaining the atmosphere even though its the source of Trelane's power" thing was more that the mirror is the _interface_ for the technology not the machinery of it. Your computer would remain operATING even if you destroyed the mouse and keyboard rendering it in-operABLE. You cannot operate it any longer, but it can maintain its current process. "If we destroy the mirror, Trelane will not be able to do anything ELSE to us, but the technology he's using may still function to keep us all alive" Certainly a logical leap, but not quite the same logic touched on in the analysis.
@saxbend
3 жыл бұрын
I could have sworn James Doohan voiced Trelane's father.
@JS-wp4gs
3 жыл бұрын
He did
@NotZero2
3 жыл бұрын
I kind of ask myself if Kirk is not a Deathseeker like Sinclair from B5 was... him sacrificing himself has happened quite often already (and I bet it will continue) P.S. Great Self-Dissing btw. :D
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk goes on later to say he always knew he'd die alone. As long as he wasn't alone he would not die. Captain Kirk remarks elsewhere that everyone else is a specialist and the Ship needs her crew. Kirk is in love with the ship. He would sacrifice himself to save her.
@thexalon
3 жыл бұрын
I always like Trelane's equivalent on Futurama, Melllvar: Fry: "All this time we thought he was some powerful super-being, yet he was just a child ..." Melllvar's mom: "He's not a child, he's 34!" ... Melllvar: "Well, I guess I could move out of my parents' basement ... maybe get a temp job."
@SeruraRenge11
2 жыл бұрын
Woah woah, one step at a time.
@holden3
2 жыл бұрын
I think both trelaine and Q are great characters
@williamozier918
3 жыл бұрын
I am of the YES Trelane is a Q, and yes Trelane is in fact Q. Based on commetns by Q and Suzy Q we do know that Q at least go through soe kind of maturation because at some point they have to take a vow of Omnipotence, and then they officially become Q and part of the Continuum.So technically no Trelane is not a Q because he hasnt taken his vows and become part of the Continuum..
@ReinholdHMai
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure you don't want to know what in universe happens to all the yeomen. I'm pretty sure I don't.
@empirejeff
2 жыл бұрын
Kirk dieing? Like that would ever happen 🙁
@bwg4608
3 жыл бұрын
I'd allow the changing yeoman this time just because Venita Wolf (who played Yeoman Ross) has to be the single most beautiful woman to ever appear in a Star Trek series.
@marcbahn5487
Жыл бұрын
You can say that again.
@corssecurity
2 жыл бұрын
How can you contradict Peter David? Beta canon or no, he has licence from paramount and he wrote the comic book which is canon. What is omnipotence, all knowledge? Q aren't all knowing. Just that they are not quite eternal, beyond immortal born and everlasting. They can move through time and every dimension. So they can see patterns. He has sight but not substance.
@starwolf99
3 жыл бұрын
Now Q has now been across five shows!
@Yura-Sensei
2 жыл бұрын
i dont get the appeal of these episodes. an extremely annoying character fucks around with the main cast for a while, gets mildly scolded and leaves. same reason i found q episodes quite intolerable
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