Up until this scene, Chief O'Brien was the transporter operator, a nice guy, someone you might not think about twice ... until we hear about this incident ... and Colm Meaney brings a vivid third dimension to this Enterprise engineer. Serious "wow" factor here, gang.
@sarahkinsey5434
5 жыл бұрын
Troubleshooter125 totally. There were a few great O’Brien moments in TNG, but he really shone in DS9
@CRFlixs
5 жыл бұрын
@@sarahkinsey5434 That's why he was made a lead in DS9.
@sarahkinsey5434
5 жыл бұрын
CRFlixxx and was always the one to get injured
@micfail2
4 жыл бұрын
He is an awesome actor. If I did not know any better I would think he was an actual combat veteran
@Cool70sfreak
4 жыл бұрын
@@sarahkinsey5434 And not just physically. That show really put him through hell :'D
@runawayuniverse
7 жыл бұрын
My all time favorite line in the history of The Next Generation. "It's not you I hate Cardassian. I hate what I became because of you."
@lawnmowermanTX
6 жыл бұрын
Drama, and current event issues, continue in off world adventures... Technology evolves, that woman might have hurriedly set the phaser... In the heat of combat, even blind rage, blinds a soul, for a very long time... Irony is, Chief O'Brian, lives on a Cardassian station, near a Bajoran wormhole.. I bet Garak irks O'Brian on DS9..? Nah..
@tek512
5 жыл бұрын
Garak actually did irk O'Brien for a long time. It took seeing the utter devastation wrought on the Cardassians by the Dominion before O'Brien truly let go of his prejudices.
@SamaritanPrime
3 жыл бұрын
@@tek512 There's even an episode where Garak goes nuts and starts killing people and O'Brien has to stop him. Do NOT underestimate your engineers.
@JingleJangle256
3 жыл бұрын
Even though there are a myriad of scenes from DS9 that contradict this point, but it’s a good scene, so whatever.
@BillinHungary
2 жыл бұрын
I think the folks on DS9 thought that Colm Meaney was underutilized on TNG, and given what we saw later in DS9, they were spot on. Terry Farrell (Jadzia Dax) said that when it comes to reading a script, he is just automatic - he reads it, he can play it.. She went on to say that in theory, all actors sould be able to do it, but the ease in which he could become the character speaking the lines was amazing.. In this scene you really do believe that he suffering from PTSD.
@Helbore
8 жыл бұрын
What's sad is the Cardassian's reaction here. He clearly is not comfortable with the story O'Brien tells. He doesn't even defend their attack - he calls it a terrible mistake and is clearly accepting that the Cardassians attacked a civilian target and he doesn't like it.I'd say its probably fair that he tried to befriend O'Brien as an attempt to assuage his own guilt of having been involved in a war that had him kill people he didn't want to kill. It's a shame we never got to see more of this character, because he just seemed to be the Cardassian equivalent of O'Brien - a patriot forced to fight in a war he didn't want to.
@Deadpool_64
7 жыл бұрын
This is the most unCardassian like Cardassian we ever saw. Wish he had been in DS9 as a regular. He seemed like a really good man.
@Locktwiste72
7 жыл бұрын
Helbore I think they should have reunited him with O'Brien on DS9. He is without a doubt the closest thing to human a Cardassian could ever be. And O"Brien was the most human crewmember of the Enterprise. The actor who played him - Colm Meaney - should have gotten an award for his portrayal of Star Trek's equivalent of a soldier suffering from PTSD.
@tombo1984
7 жыл бұрын
Chances are he probably would have died in the Dominion war.
@tombo1984
7 жыл бұрын
Or if he became a lead figure in the Cardassian resistance movement.
@Deadpool_64
7 жыл бұрын
BartJ583 Yeah, because over thousands of light years, and hundreds of species, we'll never have any conflict what so ever.
@Alaninbroomfield
3 жыл бұрын
Notice that the alien was LISTENING to him, not trying to add or interject, just letting him talk. Great acting.
@karlncholson7517
3 жыл бұрын
It's very telling that a lot of humans could learn from this human playing an alien.. Sad horrible times we live in
@ruinenlust_
3 жыл бұрын
@@karlncholson7517 That's the _whole point_ of Star Trek. You have all these alien factions and alien tech and alien characters, but they all reflect a part of what it means to be human.
@irishdc9523
Жыл бұрын
@@ruinenlust_ Thing is as well, you look at it and wonder how an advanced society such as theirs has all these problems. But then you think how does a society as advanced as ours have those problems
@russellmoore8187
Жыл бұрын
"the alien"? Dude it's Star Trek, everyone's an alien
@jonathanstrong4812
Жыл бұрын
DEAR LORD WHAT THAT THE POOR-MAN
@jrsanders1212
2 жыл бұрын
Almost 9 years later I would like to add that the Chief said, "The man just incinerated in front of me." He didn't say alien or Cardi, just another dude. This is super powerful. Thanks again for uploading.
@leo-unddieAnderen
Жыл бұрын
Being.
@JonSmith-cx7gr
Жыл бұрын
It wasnt a man so this is highly offensive of 'chief' to call him that. So racist and disrespectful to the alien who died with O brian kneeling on his neck and firing a phaser.
@tonoornottono
2 ай бұрын
@@leo-unddieAnderen”we’re all human” -james t kirk
@Neverhoodian
6 жыл бұрын
As Miles O'Brien stormed out of Ten Forward, the Cardassian was left with one burning question that haunts his thoughts to this very day... "What's a mosquito?"
@fuflang
6 жыл бұрын
Context clues.
@skylarpatterson3363
6 жыл бұрын
What if mosquitos exist on Cardassia? I mean they wouldn't be addressed under that name but surely their eco-system would have some kind of flying vampiric insects or worse yet arachnid based ones
@fuflang
6 жыл бұрын
The word "swat" is almost exclusively used for hitting or crushing small things. Context clues and the universal translators ability to translate them would be key in conveying meaning between alien species.
@skylarpatterson3363
6 жыл бұрын
You already made the point of context and no further elaboration was necessary. I was simply speculating about how Cardassian s would have similar creatures to Earth albeit with a plethora of differences.
@yragcom1
5 жыл бұрын
LOL
@pinkfloppyass
3 жыл бұрын
God I love Obrien so much, probably cause he's so different to other 24st century humans. He swears, he drinks, and he feels hate, and felt uncomfortable around cardissains. I love him cause he isn't perfect, can't let go of the shit that haunts him, and can't let go of old enemies like with most other Federation seem to do with former enemies. I'd probably chalk that down to just that O'Brien has actually seen more shit than normal Federation officers, while space battles are cool and all, O'Brien has seen the horrors of 24st century ground warfare that most do not see.
@irishdc9523
Жыл бұрын
Also add that those flaws aren't miraculously gone by the next episode. Fast forward to DS9 years later, and he still harbours some resentment towards the Cardassians. Not as much as he used to, now that he's gotten to know individuals. He even says it himself that you can't judge a whole race of people. But you can still tell when he's around Cardassian soldiers, he's uneasy
@kiyosenl.3889
Жыл бұрын
Its nitpicky i know but its 24th century not 24st, cause its supposed to be the last 2 letters of the last number, twenty fourTH, 21st century has st because its twenty firST,
@jcolinmizia9161
6 ай бұрын
A lot of Star Trek, especially TNG, we see from the perspective of the upper officers. Chief O’Brien was an enlisted crew member, whose experiences were much different. I wish they had explored that part of him a bit more.
@jingbot1071
2 ай бұрын
@@kiyosenl.3889 Well I can tell you don't live in the twenty forst century...
@Knightstruth
3 жыл бұрын
I remember reading a study of Vietnam Veterans which found that an overwhelming number of those with PTSD were the ones who believed they had acted immorally during the war. I also talked to a Marine once who served in Iraq who told me about the origin of his own struggle with PTSD. A car crossed into their base perimeter and after numerous warnings it kept speeding towards them. he was ordered to open fire on it and shot out the engine block. When they checked the car they found a pregnant woman and her husband. She was giving birth and they thought the American soldiers would help them deliver the baby. Luckily If I remember the story right they survived and the baby was fine but I can’t imagine the guilt of shooting at a pregnant woman and her husband when they only wanted help.
@sergeantassassin3425
3 жыл бұрын
Luckily he only shot the engine, not the people inside.
@Knightstruth
3 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantassassin3425 Yeah, very lucky.
@coolguyjki
Жыл бұрын
That's the true horror of war. The people who want it don't feel any shame for the horror they've committed on civilians, but the people who join out of guilt or honor feel shame and disgust for their actions. Those who deserve it never see Hell, but those who only wanted to be good people are tortured always and forever with what they've done.
@thelastbrobo7826
9 ай бұрын
You have to be low IQ to speed toward a military installation in the middle of a war
@JH-su9vl
6 жыл бұрын
Back when trek was about ideas not special effects
@mosspally6995
4 жыл бұрын
Victor VonDoom what? Seriously what do you mean by swj ideas?
@difficultbastard
4 жыл бұрын
@Victor VonDoom Patrick Stewart has said he wants to do the new series "Picard", because of Brexit, and how he thinks the whole country is going wrong for choosing not to have undemocratic UN overlords. The internet is a marvelous thing, but one unfortunate side effect is that we get to know our TV heroes. Fuck the newest Star Trek series (again) , and fuck Patrick Stewart.
@Mr_Bunk
4 жыл бұрын
No-one who unironcally says “Fuck Patrick Stewart” gets any respect from anyone. Nor, I suspect, even from themselves.
@hamzakhairi4765
4 жыл бұрын
@@difficultbastard Patrick Stewart made star trek TOS was cancelled for shitty views TNG picked ST off the ground
@lillith3159
4 жыл бұрын
@Victor VonDoom There always has to be some idiot saying SJW at everything that he doesnt like. Dude, star trek has always been about "SJW". The problem is not that. The problem is that the new shows have awfull writting and poor character development in favor of fancy unnecessary special efects.
@RedCrusaderArc
4 жыл бұрын
How to recognize a classic Star Trek scene? There is no lens flare in it.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
3 жыл бұрын
and no shakey handcamera.
@jonathansoko1085
3 жыл бұрын
and a damn cardie is present
@phoneboxchicken4108
3 жыл бұрын
Or retina burning white sets. Those Jar Jar Abrams films need to come with sunglasses.
@atMacen07
3 жыл бұрын
@@phoneboxchicken4108 Darth Binks strikes again
@hudsonball4702
2 жыл бұрын
And there's good acting.
@no1reallycaresabout2
9 жыл бұрын
I think the character of Glinn Daro had a lot of potential, more than just being a one-episode character.
@oldtwinsna8347
6 жыл бұрын
Possibly, but the way he talks is dangerous in the sense that if the Obsiddian Order got wind of it, they would investigate and find a way to frame him. He probably thought, "he's just a human, the Order will never know" so was able to talk like that.
@promontorium
4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately TNG ended up not having very many Cardassian episodes.
@Trek001
3 жыл бұрын
Somewhere out there, there is a very sweet little fanfic set during the final episode of DS9 where O'Brien uses the comm to call a Cardassian ship and ask about Daro and is relieved to hear that he made it through the war alive
@Tk52781
3 жыл бұрын
Chief O’Brien is one of the best characters in all of Star Trek.
@damirzlatkic8134
3 жыл бұрын
couldnt agree more !
@Castlecoke
4 жыл бұрын
Im a marine vet. Did my tours in Iraq. I was angry at times at Iraqis. I was angry at myself for feeling like a racist. Now im out. I sometimes hate myself for remembering who i was at the time.
@diabdia
4 жыл бұрын
I hope this show and your VA benefits can give you some sort of peace. The best you can do is learn how to process your pain and grief. I sincerely hope you have someone to talk to sir. I also hope you're in a better place with yourself within your soul.
@kojack635
3 жыл бұрын
@@diabdia The VA sucks. I hope they take care of this veteran, but chances are they won't.
@SamaritanPrime
3 жыл бұрын
It has been said that "time heals all wounds." I disagree. In time, all wounds heal- if you're willing to apply the medicine. Stay strong, and keep healing.
@Josh23761
3 жыл бұрын
The anger makes perfect sense, they are natural emotional responses to those situations. No matter what you think of yourself back then, try to remember that the past is just a shadow, the present is what is truly happening and the person you are at this very moment is always the real you. I know its hard but try to understand that nothing can change the way you once felt or thought, but it doesn't mean that it defines who you actually are. Since you're a marine I'm sure you spent some time on a ship; the past is like the wake trail left from a ship, it tells you where it has been, but it can never reveal the destination or present bearing nor can it influence that. I never experienced a war or any combat situation so I can't understand fully what its like, but you have my respect and hopes for the future. Unfortunately accepting these feelings are the only way to move on.
@lethauntic
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, in the moment it makes sense to be angry at those who are trying to kill you. You know, minus the civilians I guess.
@N3uroTypical333
5 жыл бұрын
My father was in WWII. The war changed him. Yet he had absolutely no ill will towards the German people. He befriended an immigrant who was a child in a town my dad took, they were lifetime friends. The way he explained it to me, his counterpart in the German army was just like him - some poor grunt trying to keep warm, doing what his country told him to do, hoping to send some money home to family, worrying about how everyone was going to live through the winter.
@Skyebright1
4 жыл бұрын
rareay true the Wehrmacht soldiers were largely just ordinary men
@jonathansoko1085
3 жыл бұрын
@@Skyebright1 Sure, if you consider nazi's ordinary men, i dont.
@Skyebright1
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathansoko1085 well they weren’t SS, they were just average Germans
@michaelgreenwood3413
3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathansoko1085 the SS were nazis. the vast majority of germans were not.
@agl1138
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelgreenwood3413 Not really relevant. The German people supported Nazism and its evil. There is no moral equivalence between Allied combatants and Axis combatants.
@stevenweaver3386
4 жыл бұрын
Not just the Cardassian died on Setlik III. The Miles O'Brien who joined Starfleet in the excitement of youth, eager to explore, eager for adventure, also died. What that young man could have been, should have become, was also incinerated in that phase blast. Now, wearing Miles O'Brien's skin is a cold hearted killer, hating himself for what he was forced to just to stay alive
@pantspantsrevolution
3 жыл бұрын
And this was the beginning of a very sympathetic character that we grew to love here and in DS9. His PTSD only got worse after that but he still wanted to remain in Starfleet and just do the right thing. I love O’Brien and I feel bad for him. It was good he married Keiko when he did and had children.💛
@Trecesolotienesdos
11 жыл бұрын
poor miles. seems even before TNG and DS9 he got brutalised lol.
@mreese8764
3 жыл бұрын
@Samar3n and even his clones
@gtaclevelandcity
3 жыл бұрын
Its this scene where I feel Colm Meaney earns his well deserved spot as a main cast member on DS9. Great acting.
@bobpage6597
5 жыл бұрын
0:22.....you can see the anger build in O'Brien here. He's furious at the attempted justification by the Cardassian for wiping out a civilian outpost. He then bottles it, and continues his story.
@jerodast
4 жыл бұрын
@Hunter D Me neither, but it would be very hard not to see it that way if you were there. "I just told you how horrible your unprovoked attack was, and you make an excuse for it?" But of course, O'Brien is a smart, enlightened member of Starfleet, so he recognizes that's not a fair way to take it, so he doesn't lash out. But it would be hard not to be a bit angry just at the thought.
@nagihangot6133
3 жыл бұрын
He seems annoyed with the Cardassian's seeming trickery, not knowing if the reasoning was one the Cardassian was stupid enough to believe or was making up on his own. I don't see anger, your ancestry's vile inherent senseless hatred can be seen easier than Sub-Saharans exhibit.
@Blackwind_Legacy
3 жыл бұрын
O'Brien, being enlisted and a military man, probably believed the reasoning. Having been military myself, it's really no surprise when a mistake of this magnitude happens. Of course, he didn't take it well. But I doubt he thought the Cardassian was making excuses or thought he was trying to justify it.
@BSE1320
2 жыл бұрын
I thought it more like, "Of course you were told it was a military outpost...typical navy fuck up."
@thcollegestudent
8 жыл бұрын
This is in my opinion this character at his finest.
@thcollegestudent
3 жыл бұрын
5 years later I came looking for this scene again and...found my own comment. I miss dialog like this in Trek.
@LonesomeTraveller
3 жыл бұрын
@@thcollegestudent oh it's been five years. I re-watch these short clips too, only to find I commented on them some months or years back. And everything feels...silent. Like so much has changed since that comment.
@ffnbbq
4 жыл бұрын
Trivia: the filming of this scene (and, I imagine, every other scene involving the Cardassians in this episode) was rather undercut by the costume making very loud squeaking noises whenever the actors moved. The pre-final edit footage (before VFX, music, dubbing and foley) is unintentionally hilarious. I hope the DS9-era uniform was much quieter.
@vguyver2
4 жыл бұрын
The newer ones squeaked, but not as much the only squeaking was with the boots and torso clothing. This debut episode had all this tight sheen fabric and it was like an 80's baggy jogging gear, every step would have a squeak or woosh sound.
@Deadpool_64
7 жыл бұрын
I'd drink a glass of Kanar with this Cardassian.
@GGGritzer
9 жыл бұрын
One of Trek's luckiest yet finest catches! Our own Colm Meaney well and truly makes his mark
@greencello599
5 жыл бұрын
I have never served in the military but my grandfather did. He was in the European Theater of World War 2 and he rarely spoke of his experiences. He carried that part of him to his grave along with the physical reminders he received. He never went back as far as I know. He had good and bad memories from Europe. Upon meeting him though, he was the most joyful and loving person you could meet, and you couldn't help but think the thought, "This guy is going to be around forever." O'brien, like my grandfather, enlisted into service rather than go through the academy. A ground pounder who knew what to do and what was needed. One can read about the horrors of war, but the ones who lived it rarely speak of them.
@hpa2005
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@bunnygirl95
3 жыл бұрын
One of my fave episodes of TNG. So well written, and so dark. Modern Trek really should learn from this
@Drax514
2 жыл бұрын
The people who write and the people who are fans of Modern Trek don't give a shit about things like this. They don't care about humanity, or depth, or emotions. They just want flashy action and catchy one liners. As long as it looks cool man, just turn off your brain man. Fuck Modern Trek. The new Paramount shows make the Abrams movies look like TNG masterpieces in comparison.
@AshPrimeDCFC
Жыл бұрын
PTSD really hits me hard. Grown, brave men traumatised by war is terribly upsetting.
@jasonfenton8250
6 жыл бұрын
Miles "cardy culling" O'Brien Miles "coffins for cardies" O'Brien
@Mr_Bunk
4 жыл бұрын
Miles ‘Cardassia Prime’s outta time’ O’Brien
@davecrupel2817
3 жыл бұрын
😂
@GhostLink92
3 жыл бұрын
Miles "Kill a Cardie, get a hardie" O'Brien.
@LaBarata12
3 жыл бұрын
Miles “spoonhead get dead” O’Brien
@alexanderrahl482
5 ай бұрын
🤣
@chonconnor6144
Жыл бұрын
One of the top 5 best TNG episodes, the performances of O'Brien and Maxwell were so memorable and accessible to a young scifi audience. If only they still wrote TV like this.
@picknroll8221
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for up-loading. O'Brien, I believe, has been triggered by the Cardassians. Seemed to be doing o.k. before his old C-O Capt. Maxwell went on a little rampage through the star system. These things lie dormant for a while then have a way of re-surfacing. Masterfully portrayed here, IMHO.
@nightengale10
4 жыл бұрын
can you imagine what the first episode of Ds9 must have been like for O'Brien knowing he was on a mostly defenseless space station with his wife and daughter probably going to be taken prisoner by the Cardassians before Sisko shows up towing gul Dukat?
@oldtwinsna8347
3 жыл бұрын
It seems odd O'Brien would have even take the position considering the emotional history here. Sure, it was a major promotion, and in the end it worked out very well for him, but surely there would have been other opportunities that Picard would've vouched O'Brien for. I'd think he would've been happier being in some operational role in an orbital station over Earth, for example.
@DelcoRanz93
3 жыл бұрын
@@oldtwinsna8347 He could have been assigned to Deep Space Nine in part because he has experience with the Cardassians, But also because I think someone in Starfleet saw potential in him to be more than just a Transporter operator and felt that he was ready for more of a challenge.
@thespecialneedsgroup
3 жыл бұрын
@@oldtwinsna8347 If you consider what he thought the job was going to be when he accepted it, I think it makes a lot more sense. He was signing on to a massive relief effort to rebuild a society that had been devastated by the Cardassians. An insignificant, war-torn planet where countless people had a story just like his. He was going there not as a soldier, but as an engineer who could use his skills to ease the suffering of a people who had lost their innocence and been changed forever by Cardassian aggression; just like him.
@mikebasil4832
3 жыл бұрын
This is one of Star Trek: TNG's most pivotal dialogues and a triumph for Colm as Miles. 🖖🏻
@rixille
4 жыл бұрын
Imagine just 2 minutes of O'Brien, a side character in the series giving us much more of a message than an entire episode of STP could ever give us.
@mckinleymac3452
2 жыл бұрын
"......than an entire season of TOS could ever give us." There, fixed it for you.
@nickryan4126
2 жыл бұрын
@@mckinleymac3452 trying to excuse the failings of a contemporary drama by comparing it to a campy show from the 1960s. Pathetic. Also, the secondary characters in TOS didn't get star billing.
@EmmaWatsonthe3rd
Жыл бұрын
It's a crime he never got an award for his portrayal of combat PTSD. Wow. Fellow survivors, we are not alone.
@helipilot27
Ай бұрын
This scene taught me a life lesson. Sometimes, you just need to listen to help someone.
@pcgentile
Жыл бұрын
One of the most underrated episodes of the series. Excellent depictions of PTSD.
@1dotcomdotnet
9 жыл бұрын
A bitter realization. 1:39
@808INFantry11X
10 жыл бұрын
Very Powerful moment of a great series.
@davecrupel2817
4 жыл бұрын
0:57 his eyes tell me he was the one who was stunned...
@Jarsia
4 жыл бұрын
holy shit. I never even thought that he might have been one of those 2 cardassians, now I can't see anything else.
@kierandearn1512
3 жыл бұрын
I miss this kind of star trek, how it made you think about things like this
@carminemurray6624
2 жыл бұрын
This scene had much sensitivity and that says a lot, as I really care about people and it makes me tear up as I remember such things.
@davecrupel2817
5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many men, after the World Wars, had this same conversation.....
@Razgriz117
5 жыл бұрын
or how many have it now
@floridaboz1
3 жыл бұрын
Too many
@Norkindar
2 жыл бұрын
Colm Meaney has so much gravitas in this episode and especially this scene. There's no real emotion expressed, no raising of his voice, very little inflection, but you can feel so much suppression of his anger and pain. It comes across so strong and from so little. A wonderful performance.
@drjohndee4322
2 жыл бұрын
That scene there was powerful and to the point. You can feel the energy In the scene. I had to see if he was ever in the military. Because only a real vet would of gave such emotional and moving response. I found that he was never in the military.....which shows that his acting skills are that good and that you can have a wow moment during that scene and feel moved by it !
@sunnchilde
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this scene isn't why we had him on DS9?
@jerodast
5 жыл бұрын
Colm Meaney's agent: You know he can act circles around the rest of cast except Stewart right? "The Wounded" writers: Prove it. Colm Meaney: *does this episode* ds9 producers: "Yup. Okay then."
@DrownedInExile
3 жыл бұрын
I thought you were talking about the Cardassian for some reason. I'm sure he ended up being drummed out of the military, on one of their many political/ideological purges.
@floppydisksareop
3 жыл бұрын
@@DrownedInExile Probably not. He was basically a grunt, not any worse than Marritza (who, while a civilian, was still working for the military). I don't think anyone really cared about him, and he didn't seem like the overly ambitious type. Even if he happened to be a Gul (which is still a pretty low rank in on itself, considering how many ships the Cardassians have, and how he could command basically a messenger ship and still have that rank), he'd probably still be alright as long as he didn't try to actively act against Central Command or the Obsidian Order. The worst thing that could happen to him is probably being nuked by the Dominion, or shot out of the sky by the Alliance during the Dominion War.
@oldtwinsna8347
Жыл бұрын
@@floppydisksareop Glinn is not a low rank by default. It's wide encompassing depending on level of authority. Considering he was the Gul's aid, he was likely very high on the food chain. The Order would not tolerate this kind of talk he did with O'Brien and would indeed take steps necessary for removal for potentially spreading ideology incompatible with the Union's vision. He likely was smart enough, though, not to talk that way in front of other Cardies.
@DanKuhn
Жыл бұрын
This is SO FUCKING GOOD and it shows once again why the Cardassians are the best Star Trek villains. Because they're just a butterfly effect version of us. We see ourselves in them
@Sage2000
3 жыл бұрын
Top notch writing, directing and acting. I love O’Brian.
@Psiros
6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if these two characters meet again anywhere in ST canon? It would have been awesome if they paired up during the Dominion War - first as rivals, then as allies.
@NitpickingNerd
5 жыл бұрын
the galaxy is a big place . it's unlikely to meet random people again. this guy probably died in the dominion war . maybe O'brien looked it up later and felt sorry for him
@mmyatt9560
3 жыл бұрын
@@NitpickingNerd he survived the war in some non canon works
@oldtwinsna8347
Жыл бұрын
Given his character reflection here, chiefly that he isn't power hungry needing a plateau to stand on by breaking the backs of others, I'd say he'd have moral objections about taking leadership from Dukat, thus ended up going AWOL and hightailing it to a Federation or some neutral world to live a life of protest. With the Order having fallen by then, he would not have been hunted down.
@ElectericSpace
3 жыл бұрын
This entire episode is so well written it feels like a prologue for ds9
@thespecialneedsgroup
3 жыл бұрын
It might be the first of the "actually, 24th Century humans _aren't_ perfect" plot lines of the TNG era.
@kagemusha168
Жыл бұрын
Maxwell was proven correct with the Dominion War.
@alexanderrahl482
5 ай бұрын
@@thespecialneedsgroup You forget about Barclay? We knew they weren't perfect long before this episode.
@jiminyhopkins
3 жыл бұрын
Wait til O'Brien finds out what happens when his plane is circling Dulles, running low on fuel with the ILS glide slope re-set...
@mrizwan7566
2 жыл бұрын
I rate this episode is one of the top episodes of startrek, what a perfect way to introduce a new race. All the story , the characters done perfectly.
@FireLordJohn3191
3 жыл бұрын
The music is added so brilliantly. As soon as Miles gets the tough part, the music comes back.
@thomasschoon8407
5 жыл бұрын
I suppose if you're limited to a few choice precise words, this does the best job of summing it up, probably because it's the right few words. Especially when it's face to face 20 feet away and it really is him or you, the pure rage, the indignity of someone wanting to do that to you, and then just a few seconds later they're on the ground bleeding, you're alive unhurt and then you realize that you have ended the life of something that took Gods work and skills if you will, and a mother's nine months of careful care and love to bring he or she into the world innocent and without having done anything wrong. The conflict of quite naturally and instinctively wanting to stay alive, but doing something that is otherwise morally wrong. And that is as few a words words as I can use.
@Enrahb
Жыл бұрын
Star Trek TNG and DS9 actually found ways to portray PTSD with respect and dignity.
@ABCDyeahyeahyeah
Жыл бұрын
This scene is probably the moment when Meaney won a full time role for DS9. What a performance.
@skylarpatterson3363
6 жыл бұрын
Try finding this level of depth in any episode of Discovery.
@SweetBearCub
6 жыл бұрын
"Try finding this level of depth in any episode of Discovery." Unable to comply. Depth not found. A shame.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA good luck.
@FireLordJohn3191
3 жыл бұрын
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 Or Picard.
@CardboardSliver
3 жыл бұрын
Discovery had as much depth as a mud puddle.
@keithklassen5320
3 жыл бұрын
Let's just enjoy what we have. No need to drag those shows in here.
@theguitarvirtuosoforgod1152
4 жыл бұрын
So deep, that line.
@centrist1008
3 жыл бұрын
The music comes up at a great time.
@Guardias
Жыл бұрын
Miles never got enough credit. Glad the books rectified some of that injustice.
@srvfan454
4 ай бұрын
O'Brien was such a good man.
@Makman1994
2 жыл бұрын
This one brilliant scene is much more mature than two whole episodes centered on PTSD from DS9 - Hard Time and It's only a Paper moon.
@Josh23761
3 жыл бұрын
I like how the more O'Brien does for star fleet the lower his rank ends up being. He has juniors lieutenant rank pips here but in DS9 they changed him to be a non commissioned officer.
@Blackwind_Legacy
3 жыл бұрын
He's always been referred to as Chief. That's an enlisted rank in the Navy. Insigna issues aside, he's always been either a E-7 (Chief), E-8 (Senior Chief), or E-9 (Master Chief). You never hear the word senior or master with his title, but I hate to think he didn't get promoted through over a decade of service. Besides Yeoman, we don't really see that many enlisted ranks in Star Trek. Almost all officers. Kinda weird.
@redzeppelin6
3 жыл бұрын
@@Blackwind_Legacy They never promoted the man that kept that shitty carddie station working for 7 seasons.
@oldtwinsna8347
Жыл бұрын
@@redzeppelin6 Not sure what you mean, he was the senior enlisted officer onboard. He ran the entire operations division of a space station, plus the Defiant, and reported directly to Sisko. That's a hell of an accomplishment.
@robinvik1
3 жыл бұрын
Writers: "You know what would go well with O'Brien`s PTSD? *MORE PTSD!!* "
@gwgux
4 жыл бұрын
Damn...every time I see this scene, I'm reminded of the fact that I'll never understand what soldiers go through. I can hear the stories and see how it affects them, but I'll never truly understand it as they do and to say that I do would be a disservice to them. All I can do is thank them for what they've done in the line of duty and do my best in the civilian world so as to not dishonor what they fought for.
@darrenskjoelsvold
3 жыл бұрын
This was so well acted. Really brought O'Brien to life..
@Alaninbroomfield
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent character development here. Very interesting tale.
@lizardking6135
4 ай бұрын
This is the birth of the "Obrien shall suffer" meme writing
@tomrodgers6629
8 ай бұрын
Best speech ever.
@finnmcool2
Жыл бұрын
Some of the best writing in Star Trek is when the Cardassians are portrayed as real people. Some of the worst is when they are portrayed as cartoon villains.
@tenkenroo
Жыл бұрын
The FIRST Ptsd experience. O’Brien after ds9 gets ptsd like 6 times over
@DemocracyDiesInDarkness
3 жыл бұрын
That was when O'Brien first developed a taste for blood. After this incident he worked to switch to transporter operations so he could safely make transporter duplicates of his victims and then discreetly dispose of their remains. Rumor has it he has killed Riker hundreds of times.
@Cedar_Wolf
Жыл бұрын
Boo!
@engine22emt
4 жыл бұрын
This is my absolute favorite episode of the series
@pattimcb31
9 жыл бұрын
O'Brien isn't my favorite but he always has very good scenes.
@1987MartinT
5 жыл бұрын
It must be strange having to work together with people you've fought in the past.
@ianfurqueron5850
3 жыл бұрын
It has occurred throughout human history. Name any two nations who are allies and they were once fighting and killing each other. Or vice-versa - current foes who were once allies.
@doubtingthomas6146
Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure this episode secured Colm Meaney’s role in DS9.. and probably was the reason STDS9 existed at all.
@undyingsoul81
9 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite episodes! Thank you for uploading.
@johnhazlett3711
Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best scenes in the entire series.
@markmayo7397
3 жыл бұрын
"I hate what I became because of you". The best line of that episode.
@CCJJ160Channels
3 жыл бұрын
1:55 - Glinn Daro: “So can l go ahead and finish your beer?”
@andrewthorne3570
3 жыл бұрын
Whatever happened to that guy? He seems like a great character
@jasontodd9
3 жыл бұрын
Daro? Nothing. He doesn't even seem to be in any books.
@oldtwinsna8347
Жыл бұрын
I get the feeling he stuck around with the Cardassian military through the Klingon conflict and supported the growing civilian government movement once the Obsiddian Order was destroyed in the failed Founder homeworld attack. But once Dukat seized power, he instantly recognized this was not the Cardassia he wanted to defend. From there, he went AWOL and secretly left for a neutral world to live a new life as an author and critic of dictatorship governments. He held the equivalent of podcasts on the Intergalatic network, promoting peace, with over 50 billion subscribers spread over hundreds of different worlds. Later in the century, Picard joined in as a guest to promote embracing peace with the Romulans, that everyone should help with their evacuation plans no matter the past history of distaste they might have.
@Influx27
3 жыл бұрын
Hate is the bond they share
@unclenurgle8281
3 жыл бұрын
Now I’d you’ll excuse me I have to go stand in transporter room 3 for the next 12 hours.
@KH4444444444N
3 жыл бұрын
Admiral Cartwright once ruminated about Klingons becoming the "alien trash of the galaxy" but it's really the spoonheads that willingly fulfilled that role.
@oldtwinsna8347
Жыл бұрын
I believe the Cardies had a much richer cultural tradition before they militarized. The Klingons in contrast have always been a war-like species that embrace conflict. Cardies were spiritual and peaceful folks. Cardies also valued education, science, and culture. They have eidetic memories so would be a forceful counterpart in any debate. Meanwhile, Klingons favorite pasttime was getting drunk and banging their heads against once another to see who is more macho.
@KH4444444444N
Жыл бұрын
@@oldtwinsna8347Bro. you wanna go deep? let's do it. The Hur'q ruined the Klingon Empire, before it existed. Then, Starfleet shows up 600 years later. The Klingon definition of Hur'q is "outsiders". Let that marinate...
@mknaomidestiny
3 жыл бұрын
Writers: "O'Brien has to suffer." O'Brien:
@adlaidunn
Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how he could only tell this to some cardassian stranger
@Yaapo
Жыл бұрын
O'BRIEN. MUST. SUFFER. MORE.
@TheJPinder
4 жыл бұрын
daaaaamn
@jamescoop8979
3 жыл бұрын
Hate keeps you warm when the rounds are flying but burns you up when they stop.
@jamalbaker4423
5 жыл бұрын
They continued the talk in O'Brien's quarters. Pillow talk.
@FireLordJohn3191
3 жыл бұрын
No, they didn't.
@JonahBowe77
2 жыл бұрын
"The man just incinerated before my eyes." not a cardassian, a man.
@michaelgreenwood3413
6 ай бұрын
Proof the guy valued life. ANY life.
@victorconway444
3 жыл бұрын
You know a true pacifist when they would feel bad about killing a fucking mosquito.
@Rubyofthedead
5 жыл бұрын
Cardassian logic: "I was just following orders." Expect an outpost full of soldiers and weaponry. Find civilians and children instead. Still follow orders to destroy the outpost, knowing full well these are innocent people or just blindly obeying, trusting those in power to be right, rather than risk getting in trouble for disobeying an order. Selfishness above all.
@Skyebright1
4 жыл бұрын
Reubenofthedead the Nazi excuse was also just following orders. It isn’t a good enough excuse
@laszlokaestner5766
4 жыл бұрын
Cardassian logic is always that the verdict/outcome is predetermined it is just the "how" that hasn't been decided. In this case it was deduced (incorrectly) that the outpost was going to be the launch point of an attack. To the soldiers taking part this remained the truth throughout even though they only found women and children because the guilt of the outpost had already been determined by their superiors. What the Cardassian here says "it was a terrible mistake" he is not referring to the killings but to the fact that the intelligence data was faulty causing the deaths of the civilians.
@christopherdean1326
4 жыл бұрын
All I can add to that is two words; My Lai........
@karamanid
2 жыл бұрын
If Central Command says its a military outpost, it is a military outpost. Refusing the order would end bad for the soldier and his family.
@johnnynorrisjr.39
Жыл бұрын
The Cardassian is probably sitting there thinking "Wow that was ...incredibly awkward. I don't even know what a mosquito is, either" ._.
@michaelmorton5698
Жыл бұрын
And a few years later Miles O'Brien would accept a posting aboard a Bajoran space station of Cardassian design as Chief of Operations. A promotion that required him to give up his commissioned rank of lieutenant and become a literal chief petty officer. Nice retcon, Berman and Braga.
@ModestNeophyte
7 жыл бұрын
Is the actor who played the Cardassian here the same one that played Remmick, or possibly the one who played the Traveler? His eyes and lips look quite familiar to me.
@briansammond7801
4 жыл бұрын
The actor is Marc Alaimo. The Cardassian character here is Gul Macet. In DS9, Marc Alaimo played Gul Dukat.
@Jarsia
4 жыл бұрын
@@briansammond7801 Thats not Macet. It's glinn Daro, played by Time Winters. It was his only trek acting credit
@willvgo2950
3 жыл бұрын
He also appeared in Babylon 5 as a Minbari.
@Doonkough
3 ай бұрын
thank you writers
@albdamned577
Жыл бұрын
The episode you know this guy needs more airtime. too bad it is also the beginnings of "Miles must Suffer" idea.
@spikeep6141
3 жыл бұрын
See, now, this is a very interesting question - What Does it Really *Mean,* for An Enemy to want to drink with you and get you another beer in a Society that has no money, and where the alcohol won’t make you inebriated, unless you WANT it to make you drunk....? Sly Cardassian.....
@lyncat
3 жыл бұрын
The Cardassian he talks to looks like the actor who played the Traveler. The eyes and the head shape are the same.
@kilroy3579
Жыл бұрын
Colm Meaney kills it every time...great stuff.
@Ved000000
4 жыл бұрын
I can see O'Brien teaching the Bajorans a Cardified version of the Irish rebel song "Go on home, British soldiers" while drunk.
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