Agree. “In the pale moonlight”, “yeah Demar what kind of people would do that”, Odo/Quark, Garak. A perfect blend of humor and darkness-a formula modern writers need to learn.
@jiveturkeylee
2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love that episode...cheers my friend
@popculture70
3 жыл бұрын
TOS is such an important part of popular culture. Kirk and Spock are iconic genre-transcending characters. I keep going back to it to enjoy the uncynical freshness and goodness of it. It'll always be my number one sci fi show.
@strawberryrhubarbs
3 жыл бұрын
its just like saying which diamond shines brighter. They're all great shows!
@marcychan168
3 жыл бұрын
I hear that!! 👍♥️🙏🕊
@nikolausmoll9201
3 жыл бұрын
Sure, and the Ranking does not disrespect the achievements of TOS. The problem about comparisons and rankins is always, that only a few ranks seem to be "good". But actually, if I tell you which Twilight move I like most, it does not say anything about my opinion about these movies :P When we are talking about the series ranked here, we are talking about great shows. If we would talk about the cultural impact of the shows, the ranking would be different, sure.
@sharpaycutie2
3 жыл бұрын
Too many shows bank on vynism to add "interesting stories". Funny how evey murder killer and Terrorist is somehow sympathetic now...🤔
@scottslotterbeck3796
2 жыл бұрын
Plus, real science fiction authors wrote many of the episodes.
@purplepothos5794
3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe you highlighted the exceptional supporting characters of DS9 and didn't even mention Morn.
@RowanJColeman
3 жыл бұрын
Hasn't Morn already talked about himself enough though? You know how he is, total chatterbox.
@stephenhall2980
3 жыл бұрын
Despite being a big fan of both shows,I only realised recently that morn is a tribute to norm from cheers.what a dumbass I am. Facepalm!
@Ma55ey
3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenhall2980 well I feel educated today :) now all I hear when I see him is going to be "MORN!!"
@Maplelust
2 жыл бұрын
I know. what a crime.
@Copeharder00
2 жыл бұрын
Rules of Acquisition 286: When Morn leaves, it's all over.
@eamonndeane587
3 жыл бұрын
Deep Space Nine will always be my favourite for a Plain, Simple Reason..... Garak....
@Scottlp2
3 жыл бұрын
And “in the pale moonlight”, and Quark/Odo...
@eamonndeane587
3 жыл бұрын
@@Scottlp2 RIP Rene Auberjonois
@Browncoat66
3 жыл бұрын
Was any of it true, or was it all lies. Oh Doctor its all true. Even the lies? ESPECIALLY the lies! 🤣
@11viewer77
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is my favourite Star Trek show too 🙂👍
@Ma55ey
3 жыл бұрын
I still think he should have seduced Bashir..... you could see he wanted to...
@detectivesquirrel2621
3 жыл бұрын
The character arc of Nog is the example of great writing, the kind of writing that Harry Kim in Voyager never got.
@EpicConspiracy
3 жыл бұрын
To be fair. Harry has the greatest running joke in Star Trek history
@GeeVanderplas
3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to think there's an episode like Paper Moon that only focuses on two recurring characters and hardly features the main cast. That would never happen in Voyager.
@EpicConspiracy
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeeVanderplas you must’ve not watched Pathfinder
@GeeVanderplas
3 жыл бұрын
@@EpicConspiracy which one was that again?
@EpicConspiracy
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeeVanderplas the episode focused on barclay and Troi when they first made contact with voyager. 90% of the episode was from characters barely shown on the series.
@CoinOpTV
3 жыл бұрын
been rewatching DS9 over the pandemic -- some pretty epic writing and acting almost finished with S6 - bring on Ezri!
@lordomacron3719
3 жыл бұрын
watched ALL of Star Trek that Netflix has. aye Ezri was my fav Dax Jadzia was great but Ezri better suits my tastes
@lumensimus
3 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of great Ezri content in the novels - _The Lives of Dax_ is a lot of fun, with a cool frame story surrounding episodes from each host, and her post-DS9 assignments are pretty exciting.
@Ma55ey
3 жыл бұрын
@@lordomacron3719 it's a shame to have lost Jadzia in the last season but I think Ezri picked up the mantle really well... she settled into her character instantly.. I guess that's because the writers took 2-3 seasons to really hone who Dax was.. so for a while terry really didn't know how to play her.. I love that Ezri wasn't an initiate, and didn't have the training to be joined.. and I'm glad that they played on that as much as they did and she didn't just automatically slot into jadzia's place in the show.. I found myself wondering if they had thought about making her a male character at some point.. I think that would have made the relationships with Worf Quark and Bashir more interesting lol...
@Xondar11223344
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ma55ey It's also believable that she'd one day become a starship captain in the books since she's still a joined Trill and still a Dax, with all the experiences that come with it.
@Ma55ey
3 жыл бұрын
@@Xondar11223344 oh yea totally... it would have been good to watch her character develop more..
@Educatingben
3 жыл бұрын
Of all the Star Trek series, Deep Space 9 was the one that I never watched. Because of your rankings and recommendation, I've just watch the pilot of DS9. I'll be watching all of the series and it's entirety. Thanks for what you do.
@kattcity
2 жыл бұрын
You will be glad you did ....When i 1st watched it I struggled a little to get through the 1st 2 years but by the end of 3rd year I was hooked and season 4 through 7 was the best I had ever seen. I freely admit that I teared up when i got to the end and felt like I was losing good friends.
@andrewverburg1805
2 жыл бұрын
Curious to know your thoughts now
@amberhon
3 жыл бұрын
Deep Space Nine ended up being the best written. I admit that I called it a Soap Opera in Space when it first came out! I wish I gave it a chance back then. TNG is the one I rewatch the most though.
@craigcutler6919
3 жыл бұрын
It is a soap opera in space, it uses the same tropes. You like it because your biological reactions primes you to like those tropes.
@SunnyStarStuff
3 жыл бұрын
I love that DS9 finally gets the appreciation & love, that I thought it deserved since it was broadcasted. I watched it when it originally aired & loved it since then 🖖
@lordomacron3719
3 жыл бұрын
I think of Quark and Odo is the one if not the best(for me) example of the 'Best of Enemies' Relationship they are on opposite sides (most of the time) but each respects the other greatly(not that they would ever be caught saying that of course) and Garak stole every damn scene he was in and it was sublime
@AncestorEmpire1
3 жыл бұрын
Hot Take: DS9 and B5's rivalry made both shows better. Hence Competition is good
@broganfreeman8958
3 жыл бұрын
So say the Shadows!
@AncestorEmpire1
3 жыл бұрын
@@broganfreeman8958 I have seen through the lies of the Vorlons, I don’t fear the dark side as you do.
@Ancestor Empire - Yeah mate, I can go for the ol "Darth Jaa Jaa" take!
@realGBx64
3 жыл бұрын
Deep space nine is pure Ron D Moore character writing magic. I’m happy Voyager took a different direction and Moore had to part ways with trek, so he could do BSG.
@crosseightyeight
3 жыл бұрын
I definitely think DS9 had the best first episode. It wasn't nearly as cringey as TNG or VOY. TOS had a pretty good first episode, counting both pilots.
@bonghunezhou5051
3 жыл бұрын
TOS's first episode is The Man Trap - if defined by airdate.
@FixtaFernback
3 жыл бұрын
I thought Caretaker was an alright pilot. Better than Encounter at Farpoint.
@monkeymox2544
3 жыл бұрын
I think ENT has the best first episode - TOS, TNG and VOY's first episodes were all as cringey as hell, DS9s was good but had some pretty bad acting in my opinion. ENT's was compelling, well produced, well written and well acted. Its just a shame they weren't able to carry that inertia into the rest of the first series.
@EricLinHsu
3 жыл бұрын
Kira's shoulder pads are cringe
@grantwalter2243
3 жыл бұрын
Voyager had a great pilot. Completely orignal Star Trek plot that set the series with so much new potential. Maquis combined with Starfleet in deep space far away from any of the familiar enemies like the klingons, cardassians, romulans, etc.
@AshPrimeDCFC
3 жыл бұрын
Dukat is the greatest villain in entertainment, not just Star Trek.
@sernoddicusthegallant6986
8 ай бұрын
Dukat isnt even the greatest villain in his own show. This comment was brought to you by the Wayoun Squad.
@1ukzje
16 күн бұрын
I love weyoun but dukat is much more layered. Hes grey and evil but manages to convince himself hes a good person while comitting mass murder. Weyoun is naturally less complex being a genetically engineered servant bred to obey
@gsr4535
3 жыл бұрын
I liked Enterprise. Still do. I like the slightly lower tech, more character development approach.
@YogGroove
3 жыл бұрын
It's good. Better than Voyager easily. And one could argue, better than TOS.
@AndrewD8Red
3 жыл бұрын
I remember back in 'aught-one when fans were complaining that it looked "too advanced" to be set before TOS. They probably complained that the Klingons didn't look like they did on TOS, too.
@jasonutty52
3 жыл бұрын
I really like that there are like a million scenes of the actors eating. Really screams realistic.
@adamcraig9059
3 жыл бұрын
As a big sci fi fan but quite a casual star trek dude I've really enjoyed these retrospective videos. Although I've seen most of what trek has to offer a lot of it has been out of sequence and disjointed. This whole series has made me want to go back and watch everything in order properly so thank you ❤
@michaellewis1545
3 жыл бұрын
This tangentially related to the video. Out Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks. I think Lower Decks has the most potential. I say this because with animation Lower Decks is only limited by the imagination of the design team. Also Lower Decks is much more of ensemble show so the show runners have more to work with. While Picard or Discovery live or die with their main characters.
@Scottlp2
3 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity are you under 30? 40? (I’m old). I tried watching lower decks and couldn’t get past the first literally 2 minutes. Does it get less grating?
@michaellewis1545
3 жыл бұрын
@@Scottlp2 I am 33. Lower Deck is one of those shows that takes a couple of esposide to get going. I think episode three is when it starts to get good.
@ro_sado
3 жыл бұрын
@@Scottlp2 I hate watched the few first episodes (most jokes didn't land, annoying characters). But the last ~4 episodes felt like Trek for some reason - can't put my finger on it. I'm looking forward to S2 of Lower Decks, but don't care about the next season of Picard or Discovery. So that's my "recommendation."
@richardburke8566
3 жыл бұрын
Well I'm 60 and I thought lower decks was very good.
@Icybubba
3 жыл бұрын
Of the new shows Strange New Worlds is the one Im most optimistic for, it seems like an actual Trek show
@sarahscott5305
3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video! Completely disagreed with most of it, but hey, how boring would the world be if we all agreed?
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
It would probably be better though
@TheDrewThornton
3 жыл бұрын
I turned the video off and gave it a thumbs down the minute he said he wasnt going to rank any of the Kurtzman crap.
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheDrewThornton why?
@LasherTimora
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeardFaceSuper Because now he doesn't have an excuse to go on the usual "new trek bad" circle jirk.
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
@@LasherTimora Speaking the truth is a circle jerk?
@BL-mf3jp
2 жыл бұрын
TOS is my favorite by far. It has the best premise, solid costumes, great matte painting backgrounds, fun plots, and that classic 60s feel.
@MercuryKnight5
3 жыл бұрын
TAS was the first Star Trek I ever saw, when I was eight. It wasn't until years later that I saw my first live action Trek, and even later when I actually got to watch TOS in it's entirety. TAS, for all it's flaws, fired my imagination and stoked my affection for the franchise.
@corey2232
3 жыл бұрын
Before watching the video, my guesses are: 1. DS9 2. TNG 3. TOS 4. VOY 5. ENT 6. Animated Series At least that's my ranking ;) *EDIT:* WOW, I can't believe I got 100% the same as Rowan! You have great taste sir!
@martinshelton9533
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 and some of the best character development arcs in all the Star Trek Universe!
@solomongibsoniii4865
3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, your ranking is spot on. I've been around to see the premier of every Star Trek series and have always, always considered DS9 to be the best of the sequels. Indeed one of the best two scifi shows produced in America (B5 being the other). Have been dismayed it hasn't received the amount of love and attention as TNG. Also interesting is VOY; it's true, the show goes down easy. While I've never considered it bold or challenging, with some of the blandest characters in ST history (Kim, Chakotay, Paris, Kes) I've found it easier to watch repeatedly than the much better TNG (which is a little too utopian and neatly wrapped). VOY seems, in structure and feel, to be a contemporization of 60s or 70s television; like watching old episodes of Bonanza, Twilight Zone, and the like.
@fstfrdy
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@ThePrincessrael
2 жыл бұрын
DS9 has been my favourite star trek ever since I first watched it and I'm super glad it's getting more recognition now than it did back then. I'm a sucker for well written characters and long running storylines and DS9 did it better than any of the others.
@regsays
3 жыл бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree DS9 was always my favorite I love that it was dark I love that it took chances it seemed more real than the prime directive addled other shows. The relationship of Worf and Dax was amazing the bromance with Chief O'Brien and the doctor amazing. The introduction of section 31. I could go on and on and on for paragraphs of how special this show is
@Imbatmn57
3 жыл бұрын
My favorites 1.enterprise/voyager 2.original series 3.deep space nine I liked deep space nine but i thought it needed more standalone episodes to break it up because i tend to loose interest if its a story episode one after another.
@RationalGamers
3 жыл бұрын
"'I'm leaving off nutrek" Everyone liked that
@MovieMagic515
3 жыл бұрын
He left it out to ensure a fair expression of opinions. Why evaluate something still ongoing.
@Michael_ORourke
3 жыл бұрын
Imagine comparing only season one of TNG to all of TOS. TNG would fall short in every single way. Compare 7 seasons of TNG to TOS however, that's a different story.
@TrekkieBrie
3 жыл бұрын
Oh man I love enterprise lol. That placement hurts just a little, but DS9 is by and far the best trek for me too.
@jiaconis
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you Brie!!
@coralinealgae
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Enterprise was on track to becoming the best Trek series. If it had gotten 7 seasons it could've run away with the top spot.
@scottslotterbeck3796
2 жыл бұрын
DS9 is boring
@TrekkieBrie
2 жыл бұрын
@@scottslotterbeck3796 that's nice
@jaypee9575
Жыл бұрын
Enterprise was great because of Trip and to a lesser extent T'Pol. The real problem was Archer. He was such a poorly written character, he single handedly ruined the experience for me.
@LMoftheCoast
3 жыл бұрын
My own ranking: 1. DS9 2. TNG 3. TOS 4. VOY 5. ENT 6. TAS We’re I to add the new shows, it would be the same up to ENT, but after that it would be 6. DIS s2 7. TAS 8. LD 9. PIC 10. Rest of DIS
@detectivesquirrel2621
3 жыл бұрын
The only real problem with Next Gen was too many stories of the 1st season were just rehashed stories from the original series. Then some of the episodes of season 2 were reworked unused scripts for the failed Phase 2 project. But once it found its feet, found its own way it was great TV. But DS9 is in a class of its own, it is just sublime SciFi TV.
@gregcampwriter
3 жыл бұрын
Voyager so often struck me as "Gilligan's Island in Space," with Harry Kim as Gilligan, Seven of Nine as Ginger, and Tuvok and the Doctor competing to be the Professor. That being said, "Blink of an Eye" is one of the best hours of television.
@aquamonkee
3 жыл бұрын
Never thought of it that way but fair enough. Would that make Chakotey the guest of the week who really didn't want to be around?
@CarvaxIV
2 жыл бұрын
That and “The Void.” I rewatch those two constantly.
@thebricknerd8599
2 жыл бұрын
I find it really funny how they move in the animated series. They don't walk, they don't run, they do a wired middle thing. They even do it on the cover 😂
@themushroom_dude
2 жыл бұрын
TOS is just memorable, it's incredible how you can remenber what happens in the episode just by the title
@TheAdorkableRJ
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is EXACTLY the way I'd rank them all.
@MrCarlzohn
3 жыл бұрын
Your ranking of DS9 warms my heart. It's still - to me - one of the best Sci-fi shows ever made. Possibly with the exception of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica or whatever the Expanse turns out to be. I would have maybe graded Enterprise a little higher, but otherwise I have no objections. Good stuff.
@imptv
3 жыл бұрын
I think this is a solid ranking. For me, it's not about quantity of episodes, but overall quality, so I'd rank TOS over TNG. I've done my own rankings and I think 66% (52 of 78) of TOS episodes are must-watches vs 59% (105 of 178) of TNG. The TOS characters are iconic and the writers told groundbreaking stories that laid the roadmap for all the iterations of Trek that would follow. I think it's fair to wait on judging the newer series, but I would have been interested in knowing your current evaluation based on what we've gotten so far from Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks. This is my current ranking. (I haven't watched The Animated Series yet.) 1. Deep Space Nine 2. The Original Series 3. The Next Generation 4. Lower Decks 5. Discovery 6. Voyager 7. Picard 8. Enterprise
@Sakrysta
3 жыл бұрын
I am completely okay with your ranking. My personal ranking would flip Voyager and TOS, but that's more to do with personal taste and familiarity than any disagreement about quality. Just discovered your channel and have been doing mini-binges. Love your content, and appreciate the work you obviously do in research and production. Well done!
@hoplitethirtynine1487
3 жыл бұрын
I feel TNG is the core of the franchise. It's the central point where everything leads to and evolves from. It represents the soul of Star Trek. And it's interesting that it usurped TOS. I do agree that DS9 is the best, although there was a lot of meh in the first two seasons. From season 3, it effectively had a 5 season story arc, which is unique in Star Trek. I feel that DS9 gives us a real feel for the size, diversity and strength of the Federation. I just finished Enterprise and I quite like it. I especially like how it gives us a glimpse into the early exploration and the formation of what would become the Federation. I'm a bit cold on Voyager because it feels detached from the other ST shows. As said, being away from Starfleet and the Federation makes it unique. But it also loses the connection with what I see most represents ST.
@robkemp598
3 жыл бұрын
Your family sounds awesome, my entire childhood was never getting to watch my geeky shows because I was outvoted by my younger 3 sisters
@killingragethrowback
3 жыл бұрын
In VOY, we saw the a portion of the Federation when cut off from the rest of it. In TNG, we saw the Federation at it's absolute height. We witnessed the life of it's paragons. In DS9, we saw the Federation at it's lowest point. What you are in the Dark.
@theonlymatthew.l
3 жыл бұрын
I must admit, I was half looking forward to having a respectful argument with you about your rankings. Alas, my plans were foiled when I found that I agreed with your rankings 100%... 👍
@RighteousBrother
2 жыл бұрын
I've been bingeing your content recently, so thanks fella!
@sarahscott5305
3 жыл бұрын
For anyone who's interested, this my list: DS9 ENT LDS DSC VOY TNG PIC TAS TOS
@Isengardtom
3 жыл бұрын
Best to worst or worst to best?
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
@@Isengardtom Either way this list is insane.
@sarahscott5305
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeardFaceSuper I'm not insane! Wait, would I know if I was? My favourite movie is Into Darkness. ... I'm insane, aren't I?
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
@@sarahscott5305 lol
@Isengardtom
3 жыл бұрын
@@sarahscott5305 well I don’t agree with the movie choice but if your list starts with DS9 at the top place than I mostly follow.
@LrdDragnManifesto
3 жыл бұрын
I feel the exploration of the politics of the early federation members in season 4 of ENT was the best part of that show, and would of had a DS9 feel if given the chance the writers initially wanted for the series.
@coralinealgae
2 жыл бұрын
That was a fantastic part of the show. That said, the Vulcan ark that developed from the very first episode right through season 4 was the best part of the series. It started off infuriating a lot of fans with their bitter relationship, and evolved into the best Vulcan story in the entire series. Masterfully done. It encompassed a full societal development. Both human & Vulcan societies faced & overcame serious, but believable, hurdles.
@WhyNotAParadox
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree! I'm rewatching TNG now, and I hop back and forth from it to other shows in my streaming queue, but when I'm rewatching DS9, that is the ONLY show I'm watching. DS9's story is so rewarding to watch from start to finish! TNG (my early years) and Voyager (my teenage years) have a heavy dose of nostalgia and comfort for me.
@ross-carlson
8 ай бұрын
Absolutely nailed this one - DS9 is not only the best Trek but one of if not the best SciFi that's ever graced TV.
@Fe22234
3 жыл бұрын
Deep space 9 is the better overall show, but TNG has some of the best individual episodes.
@ssm100
3 жыл бұрын
Debatable. Sure, TNG has about two to three really good epsidoes in each season, but they aren't Far Beyond the Stars, It's Only a Paper Moom, Duet, the Visitor, etc.
@Isengardtom
3 жыл бұрын
@@ssm100 I agree. And TNG has a lot of bad ones
@drhibas
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but TNG has so many bland episodes. The lack of an over-arching storyline really make TNG very uninteresting to watch from start to end. Pick and choose some great ones sure, but compare it with DS9 (or even Enterprise’s 3rd season) where every episode counts..way better overall.
@shawnleeguku
Жыл бұрын
Like almost everyone else I think I'd rank TAS higher, probably just under TOS, but otherwise I think my list would be identical to this one. I think every long-time fan of Star Trek who enjoys the TNG era ends up loving DS9 above all else. It's just so rich in character and lore, it gives us everything we want.
@notoriouswhitemoth
3 жыл бұрын
I mostly agree with this list. The one exception is that I prefer Voyager over TOS. I realize it's controversial for a trekkie to say they don't like TOS, it just doesn't much appeal to me personally. The two main reasons I'd cite are that it's very much a product of the 60's and the franchise hadn't really figured itself out yet.
@DeaPeaJay
3 жыл бұрын
I think Enterprise’s biggest problem is that Archer was angry all the time. I never liked him as a captain.
@jaypee9575
Жыл бұрын
I definitely agree that Enterprise's biggest problem was Archer. The way they wrote his character destroyed Enterprise's potential as a series.
@TheJamieRamone
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is the only series I've seen that ACTUALLY corresponds to the "space western" formula.
@leslauner5062
3 жыл бұрын
Try "Firefly" for another great space western.
@TheJamieRamone
3 жыл бұрын
@@leslauner5062 Been hearing bout that 1 quit a bit, I'll look into it.
@craigcutler6919
3 жыл бұрын
And that is why people like it because it is basic, just like they are.
@LasherTimora
3 жыл бұрын
My list: 8. The Animated Series 7. Picard 6. Enterprise 5. Discovery 4. The Original Series 3. TNG 2. Voyager 1. Deep Space 9 TNG, Voyager and Deep Space 9 are very close, ask me a month from now and the order might be different. Not including Lower Decks as I have not watched and don't know enough about it. I haven't watched TAS either, but I know enough about it to rank it and to know that I don't want to watch it. Also, even though the order is like this, I like every single one of these shows, except TAS.
@AllenUry
3 жыл бұрын
I would put TOS ahead of TNG for one simple reason: Sharper characters. Imagine a Kirk/Spock/McCoy/Scotty conversation...and remove all the character slugs. You would know by their language, attitude and cadence exactly who was saying what. Now try that same exercise with Picard/Ricker/Crusher/Data/LaForge. Much of the dialogue would be interchangeable. It's really easy for an impressionist to "do" Spock. Or McCoy. Or Scotty. And especially Kirk. (Due to Shatner's hammy performance technique.) But who can "do" Beverly Crusher? Or LaForge? Or Riker? Or even Data. Except for Patrick Stewart's "Engage," TNG offered no "catch-phrases" comparable to Spock's "Illogical" and "Fascinating," Scotty's "Aye, Capt'n" and "I'm givin' her all she's got!" or McCoy's, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a (fill in the blank)." That's great TV writing!
@EvilTheOne
4 ай бұрын
There are so many DS9 episodes where I cried because of how sad it was. And yet there are those where I cried because of how they depicted family, friendship and unity; 'Body Parts' is one such episode, as the crew and residents start bringing in everything he needs to continue running the bar...that's unexpectedly touching.
@plasticastronaut5761
3 жыл бұрын
My two slips of latinum: 1. DS9 2. TNG 3. TOS 4. ENT 5. VOY 6. TAS
@deadgrandma9407
3 жыл бұрын
1) TNG 2) DS9 3) TOS 4) Voyager 5) Enterprise 6) Picard 7) Discovery Never seen either animated series. Easiest list ever.
@Bigdave203
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the ranking. I would generally agree with the list although I would swap DS9 and next Gen. I would actually agree with your analysis but the serialized nature of DS9 is a turnaround slight downer. I had the most fun watching it originally. It might be better critically but as a busy man who loves the old shows bur I may be able to watch two or three episodes a week. I don't wa nt to have to think about what happened; before. I want to go to something familiar and rewatch a show. I can do this with Next Generation Deep space 9 ended largely removed every thing. All the arcs came to a satisfactory conclusion. I respect your opinion I'm a casual viewer.. I also tend to watch sci-fi for the ideas and honestly the soap opera like elements tend at times to be slight turn off as well.
@AlmostEthical
11 ай бұрын
I like the original series best because there's such a strong sense that Roddenberry had these ideas churning around in his head for many years. You can tell he was bursting to give them expression. For me, TOS best expresses Roddenberry's enthusiasm and the sense of wonder that so many of us feel about space.
@apostolispouliakis7401
3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see that I am not the only one whose first proper start Trek experience from start to finish was Voyager
@peterpayne2219
2 жыл бұрын
I am a casual fan, being a TOS lovers and dipping my tow into the other series. You give good logic for your decisions!
@gordon1891
3 жыл бұрын
I agree Voyager had so much potential to be where DS9 is in the list. There's some great episodes & some of my favourites in all Trek. It always bugged me that there was some brilliant story telling opportunities missed.
@sarahscott5305
3 жыл бұрын
It was supposedly going to be set on a Romulan ship that ended up in Andromeda after being dragged there while pursuing a small Federation ship. I want to watch that show so bad, I just can't stand it!!!
@DaiKaijyuu
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna lie, a part of my soul dissolved when The Animated series was ranked at the bottom. But I understand and respect why you would put it at the bottom, I just have huge nostalgia ties because I watched the fuck out of that show when I was a kid.
@Danary80
3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. DS9 was by far the best. And like you said, every time i re-watch it, i have to start from the beginning. It was the only Star Trek series i actually missed when it went off.
@AstroNerdBoy
3 жыл бұрын
I had the same view as you about Enterprise. When I rewatched it, the series moved up to me. Voyager's problem is that they didn't have a plan to get the ship home. It would drive me nuts when Janeway would go, "Yeah, lets go explore Planet X 'cause 'reasons'." You are trying to get home. So other than those two series swapping slots, I agree with your list and such. Sisko is the best captain!
@LasherTimora
3 жыл бұрын
I never really understood this complaint. They're not trying to get home in time for dinner, so they don't have time to stop for an hour at the bar. Their voyage will take tens of years, and stopping for a few days when they find something interesting isn't that big a deal. Like she says, they are explorers after all.
@still_guns
3 жыл бұрын
My dad could never get into DS9. He feels Avery Brook's performance was far too theatrical, he doesn't like Bashir, and he didn't really like the Dominion War. The last time I tried showing him an episode, he fell asleep halfway through.
@stantheman9072
3 жыл бұрын
Duet was the series’ high point, to me at least. See what he thinks of that one. Two strong actors having at it with a decent script and a strong moral conflict at the center of the story. I enjoyed the series, but it was never all that to me and I’ve never rewatched it. I nearly quit watching after the closing credits of “Move Along Home.” Blech!
@jameskillbot2867
3 жыл бұрын
As I keep rewatching through them my list has become and I’ll put the new shows in: DS9 TNG Enterprise TOS Lower Decks Discovery Voyager Picard Animated Series
@seanmcgrath3826
3 жыл бұрын
I'd flip Enterprise with TNG, but otherwise I agree. Haven't seen the new shows yet though
@jameskillbot2867
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah at the time I didn’t like it as much, but it would be number 3 on my watch list if I was going through them all right now.
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
@@seanmcgrath3826 I disagree. Enterprise was getting good, but it got canceled and it fell apart at the end.
@craigcutler6919
3 жыл бұрын
You put discovery above voyager... discovery is generic space series with star trek iconography even DS9 had more actual starfleet ideals and trek in it than discovery and DS9 had almost jumped the shark on those fronts.
@jameskillbot2867
3 жыл бұрын
@@craigcutler6919 I know but I honestly can’t rewatch voyager anymore despite it having better themes than discovery.
@dyne313
3 жыл бұрын
Season's 1 and 2 of Enterprise is underrated. There aren't very many, if any, REALLY BAD episodes. And it still had some good ones.
@sarahscott5305
3 жыл бұрын
I loved every season of Enterprise. Season one really felt like they were all out of their depth and I really liked that.
@AsianTheDomination
3 жыл бұрын
i think the first two seasons were the best. It captured traditional trek very well. That show had the best ethical dilemmas as well, although not as many as some of the other series.
@KayOSweaver
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I didn't watch during the original run because of the bad reviews, but when I finally got around to it I really enjoyed it. Seeing the characters struggle with their place in a big galaxy that they don't know much about was really refreshing. It was kind of a bridge between a show like The Expanse and regular Star Trek. I wish Discovery had gone in a similar direction.
@Michael_ORourke
3 жыл бұрын
The first 2 seasons of ENT were more solid than TNG, DS9, or VOY first two imo. There were many genuinely good episodes and even the "okay" ones still had something to offer.
@AstroNerdBoy
3 жыл бұрын
On second viewing, I agree that S1 and S2 of ENT weren't as bad as I remembered. I still hated the whole Temporal Cold War nonsense. However, on watching it the second time, I realized that I was frustrated that we weren't getting stories laying out the foundation of the Federation. Sure, there were the Vulcans and the Andorians, but I was kinda wanting to see Starfleet encounter more founding members of the Federation and lay that groundwork for how the Federation came to be. I had ZERO interest in some stupid, Temporal Cold War.
@CaseAgainstFaith1
3 жыл бұрын
As far as the Animated Series, I agree that it is better than many people realize, yet, you have to put something at the bottom. So, sure, I’m basically okay with your order.
@ma7mgte
3 жыл бұрын
They're all true. Especially the lies - Garak
@deddy2339
3 жыл бұрын
For me: 1) TNG - My first Trek watching from the beginning as it aired. Really dragged me into Trek. 2) DS9 - I think the latter seasons did eclipse TNG, but TNG edges it out for exploration and nostalgia for me. Also, because I was on the Babylon 5 side of the divide. 3) Enterprise - Yeah, crazy, isn't it? This one has risen up in the rankings in re-watches for me. The first two seasons fall into that TNG-era Trek format, then it really gets out of the gates for the final season. Ended too soon. 4) TOS - Still some of the most memorable episodes, and the added nostalgia of watching them in re-runs with my grandparents. But some of them remain hokey, some really dated in their sexism, and because ultimately I liked the cast more when they were older in the movies. 5) TAS - Actually somewhat tied with TOS for me. It feels like an extension of that, along with the weirdness that was in those old Gold Key comics. I also can't say no to a kitty person. 6) Voyager - This is the only Star Trek show I stopped watching during first airings. I thought it had a lot of promise, but it seemed to constantly let itself down. Especially that the ship wasn't falling apart, the central thrust of Maquis & Starfleet working together kind of got swept under the rug as a conflict (even if there were bubbles here and there), and I absolutely HATED Neelix & Kes. On re-watching the entire series, bits did grow on. Naomi Wildman's arc, Seven of Nine, the pulp sensibilities of Tom Paris' holodeck adventures, and Paris and B'Elanna Torres' relationship were pretty good. I didn't like that Chakotay was essentially a background character and turning the overall story into the ethical treatment of toasters just felt weird.
@bosyber
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure VOY comes that low for me and the final ranking, but I do agree with most of what you are saying.
@craigcutler6919
3 жыл бұрын
You hated neelix and kes... what were the reasons?
@YadraVoat
3 жыл бұрын
I continue to find your appealing speaking style remarkable. 👍
@stevenjlovelace
3 жыл бұрын
I disagreed with your movie rankings (especially Star Trek IV), but this was exactly the ranking I have of the shows, and for the same reasons.
@jaypee9575
Жыл бұрын
Pretty shocking that he put ST4 so low on his list.
@wildsmiley
2 жыл бұрын
1. Deep Space Nine 2. The Original Series 3. The Next Generation 4. Discovery 5. Picard 6. Enterprise 7. The Animated Series 8. Voyager I haven’t watched Lower Decks yet, so I don’t know where that will be.
@davidcripps3011
3 жыл бұрын
I never took to DS9 and it constantly surprises me how popular it was/is.
@Rhhe82
3 жыл бұрын
I think it’s more like how popular it has become. I never watched it in the 90s, me and my pals thought it was the boring trek (although we watched Babylon 5 religiously). I only gave it a chance some 10 years ago only to find out it has aged the best of all the 90s trek, and currently stands as my favourite trek series as well, well above TNG and head and multiple shoulders above the rest.
@davidcripps3011
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rhhe82 Cheers. I'll give it another go :-)
@Isengardtom
3 жыл бұрын
@@Rhhe82 fully agree. It’s aged the best.
@anthonyfrascella4598
3 жыл бұрын
No one will complain if your DS9 retrospective is 3+ hours.
@DominatorHDX
3 жыл бұрын
Could you also do a Star Wars movies ranking? (episodes I through IX) Or are you not into Star Wars? I like both 😉 PS: For me TNG and VOY share the number one spot!
@BeardFaceSuper
3 жыл бұрын
Voyager isnt good though. I don't get the love for Voyager. There are good episodes and a few good characters, but there are far too many dull episodes and bad characters.
@LasherTimora
3 жыл бұрын
@@BeardFaceSuper I disagree. The only thing I'll agree with is that there are more bad episodes than in other series, but that's still a fairly low number overall. Also, Voyager doesn't have any episodes that I refuse to rewatch because of how bad they are, while TNG, for example, has two: Sub Rosa and Masks. The distribution of bad, meh and good characters isn't that much off compared to other shows, and I think Enterprise is the worst in that department.
@DominatorHDX
3 жыл бұрын
@@LasherTimora Dont forget Shades of Gray. For Voyager the only episodes I don't really like are the holodeck Fair Haven ones
@LasherTimora
3 жыл бұрын
@@DominatorHDX You're right, forgot about Shades of Gray. The Fair Haven episodes are bad, but I can stomach them, I don't skip them. This did remind that there IS one episode of Voyager that I skip: 11:59. Though I didn't skip it every time, so not as bad as the mentioned TNG ones.
@spacemanspiff6332
3 жыл бұрын
If they remade the original series with only the Shatner scenes there would be no noticable difference.
@JackWard66
3 жыл бұрын
Oh man. Classic Trek set the whole thing going. It can't be anything but 1st. My order: 1. Star Trek 2. Enterprise 3. Deep Space 9 (Once they got into the Dominion War) 4. The Next Generation (Better when you get rid of the first two seasons) 5. Voyager. No challenges.
@jaggidfire
3 жыл бұрын
Objectively correct ranking
@GeoChild
3 жыл бұрын
Great list! I challenge you to rank each Star Trek series season all together. I would rank Season 4 of Enterprise VERY high. 👍🏾
@Synthacrat
Жыл бұрын
Voyager will always be my favorite. The 2 parter episodes I think made this show though.
@sothatsdevintart2562
3 жыл бұрын
I think The Animated Series makes sense at the bottom, even though it’s pretty good, it’s severely limited by the animation of the time, it’s actually one of the few things I’d like to see get a remaster.
@scifiguy26
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed that would so cool to see the animated series remastered with new animation & CGI ship shots & somehow add Ensign Chekov 😁👍🏾
@strawberryrhubarbs
3 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on that, I think the clean simple animation styles would look awesome in HD but I've heard some of the production assets are no longer available. The master tapes for the entire musical score for example, were lost or destroyed. So it might be tough to do it.
@kevinm1332
6 ай бұрын
Nice seeing someone like DS9 as much as I do. People usually look at me crosseyed when I say how much I liked it.
@SormonAusPol
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is arguably the most divisive of all the Treks even to this day. I unfortunately am one of the detractors. Strangely I started liking the show from the get go but over time grew to hate all the characters. The problem was they had flaws but the series didn't seem to properly address those flaws. It was the episode "For the Uniform" that really pissed me off when Sisco tried to commit genocide to capture Eddington and the episode plays it off like it was nothing. You can't get the main character to do something like that and have the audience still respect him as a hero. I couldn't bring myself to finish the series after that.
@toddwalker4301
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty safe list. I would say you ranking is the most popular.
@thebacons5943
3 жыл бұрын
I’m a big Star Wars fan and a much more casual Star Trek fan... however, I’ve been immersing myself in Trek recently and I love how the fan community is so positive and doesn’t hate 50% of what is out there
@danielsimmich1858
3 жыл бұрын
I’m just astounded that your list is the exact same as mine. Looking forward to your characters ranked video where Luxwana is number 1 :P
@tempestfury8324
3 жыл бұрын
Well, that's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream! Here's my list, for what it's worth... 1. TNG : Growing up with TOS reruns, it was incredible to have a new Star Trek just when I needed it! 2. Star Trek : Sure the effects were lacking but wonderful stories with excellent crew interaction makes it classic 3. Voyager : I loved the premise of it and they had a great cast but wow it missed some great opportunities 4. DS9 : Why so low? I just never got into it. I didn't like the characters. Yes, it got very good later on but I really didn't care 5. Enterprise : I really wanted to like this show. Some very good episodes, liked the cast, but it just fell flat 6. The Animated Series : I was watching this "live" as a little boy. But it was just awkward. Something about the music, dialogue, and "empty spaces" just made it weird and unsettling. Anyhoo...good call! As for the majority of ST films and recent shows, just count me out.
@chaddelk3605
3 жыл бұрын
I have always had a soft spot for Star Trek DS9 myself.
@Lolp821
2 жыл бұрын
It's ok, I think all the Star Trek fans know why Discovery, Picard etc were excluded from your list, and I for one liked your video just because of that
@robertcourtemanche9185
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 has some great moments and good characters but very few are my favorites. Nog was by far the best minor character ever. But beyond that I never really liked the Dominion or the Founders concept. I wish the would have spent more time on the Cardasians as the villains and kept the wormhole as an Avenue of the cool random stuff of the week episodes.
@stuffyouotterlistento1461
Жыл бұрын
TOS ≥ TNG > ENT ≥ DS9 > VOY Ranking DS9 that low is probably scandalous, but though I really like some aspects of the series, it has its issues. I'm not as enamored of most of the primary characters as in TOS or TNG (I think a lot of the characters in ENT were just plain miscast). I did enjoy the mini-arcs it had, but it never seemed to be able to fully commit to a big arc, nor properly shake the episodic roots of Star Trek. It didn't sell the politics the way Babylon 5 did, which made that show feel much more encompassing than just its primary location, and as a result, the space station setting of DS9 could seem a bit confining. And going back and rewatching DS9, I realized that I had been ranking it a bit too high on the basis of its ideas more than its actual execution. Meanwhile, I found ENT's 3rd season arc to be more compelling than any in DS9, feeling a lot more urgent and real. Maybe I'd rate DS9 more highly if Babylon 5 weren't around to show what a political space station show that really commits to its arcs looks like, but Babylon 5 does exist, and for as much as it can be cheesy and even cringy at times, overall, I think it easily bests DS9. Voyager is just a mess, and where DS9 couldn't fully commit to its arcs nor truly embrace its politics, Voyager completely botched its basic premise. There was so much it could've done with two rival factions, lost in an unfamiliar part of the galaxy, far from home, having to cooperate in order to just survive, but it almost immediately squandered all of its potential.
@fabianmaryanowski2252
3 жыл бұрын
What do you guys think about DS9? I know many (or some??) dont like the darker tone but i think its much more realistic with the best character arcs and maybe the best overall cast. I think its so great due to the darker theme. My pers. fav ST show by far(i like Babylon 5 a bit more to be honest but both are milestones in SciFi).
@MrPoster42
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is as good as TNG. Arguably better as it's episodes are more consistently good. It's sad that it hasn't gotten the respect it deserves. Though that does seem to be changing a bit more recently.
@Scottlp2
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is the best ST: humor and darkness, “In the Pale Moonlight”, Garak, Odo/Quark..
@DaveWraptastic
3 жыл бұрын
I have a serious problem with how Sisko is basically a god, which is really weird and doesn't fit what I personally look for in a Star Trek show. However, there are so many great characters and episodes in it, it's probably my favorite or second favorite ST series.
@MrPoster42
3 жыл бұрын
@@DaveWraptastic The "wormhole aliens" are hardly the first godlike beings in ST. TOS, TNG, & Voyager all have them. Q is one of the most popular ST characters and he is basically a god.
@Novarcharesk
3 жыл бұрын
@Trevor Rogert Both of what you said is just objectively false :P
@paulhuhtala4541
2 жыл бұрын
My list is the same. 100% agree about DS9, though I wish you'd mentioned Garak in supporting characters. He's probably the most important supporting character in all of Trek.
@bemasaberwyn55
3 жыл бұрын
I completely understand not adding current era Trek in this vid. My personal ranking is significantly different (and will piss SO many off). I'll preference it by saying I don't hate my lowest ranked(I at least watched all the series, as opposed to giving up on it like say, orrvile) the rest fall as they may 4. DS9 3. TOS/TAS 2. VGR/ENT 1. TNG
@taker68
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, tough to say which is better but TOS, TNG and DS9 are the tops.
@DeaPeaJay
3 жыл бұрын
This list is exactly correct. I completely agree with the ranking.
@dontfrythis2458
2 жыл бұрын
The best show, by elimination is deep space nine. You're goddamn right!
@Sohltaker
Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with you about DS9. It is in a league of its own. That show was head and shoulders above the other shows. And when you talked about people being nay sayers at first, I had to point at myself. But slowly I came around and now it’s actually the only Star Trek series I physically own. I watch the others religiously on Paramount+, but I OWN DS9.
@JFinSD2
3 жыл бұрын
I forget the the title of this DS 9 episode. The crew get stuck on a planet being held by a small force of Starfleet personnel. Been under constant attack by the Jem H' dar. Been waiting for relief for a long time. Quark says to Nog. "Huu mans are pleasant people ...until you take away their creature comforts....then they become as blood thirsty as any. Klingon" (not exact quote) Always liked that.
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