Even if Janeway thought in her mind that her and her crew were in the right in protecting 8472, there was no way Voyager and her crew would have survived that onslaught. Seven weighed the options chose to save Voyager and the crew.
@TheBigExclusive
4 жыл бұрын
Yep. Pretty much this. Janeway was outgunned, surrounded, and the ship was crippled. I don't know what she planned to accomplish at that point.
@nagualdesign
4 жыл бұрын
Where else can one think but in one's mind?
@rowlandbuck2703
4 жыл бұрын
Janeway was indeed a twit on more than one occasion.
@summer20105707
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Janeway could be irrational at times.
@thehantavirus
4 жыл бұрын
But i think the 8472 wouldnt mind if voyager visited thier realm again, just to escape and return species 8472 from the hirogen. This is a plot they couldve explored
@kenp7814
4 жыл бұрын
Their weapons have found a way to ignite the "Explodium" in our consoles
@FekLeyrTarg
4 жыл бұрын
Tom is lucky that it didn't hit him.
@goldenhustle
4 жыл бұрын
Voyagers exploding consoles was the beast
@goldenhustle
4 жыл бұрын
Or the best haha
@carminemurphy1275
4 жыл бұрын
@@FekLeyrTarg It completely enveloped him, the writers simply decided not to kill him just yet.
@mikematthews6862
3 жыл бұрын
"I do not understand why everything in the script must inevitably explode" - Teal`c, Episode 200
@SpidermanandJeny
4 жыл бұрын
It's the right call. Voyager had no options, was going to be destroyed soon and if it's save one enemy for a few minutes and then lose the enemy because the whole ship was destroyed or send the creature and be safe, well then it's not much of a choice. It's quite simple. Especially for an ex Borg who wants to save her new collective.
@Razaiel
4 жыл бұрын
@Leo Peridot Turning over a hostile creature is a far cry from turning over your CO. Your Western allegory only works if the bandits have rigged every structure with explosives & will kill every single person if their demands aren't met.
@cantdestroyher7245
3 жыл бұрын
“Tom, can we pursue” “The six ships that were kicking our ass? WTF Janeway??”
@tylerreed7796
3 жыл бұрын
Janeway's issue is she always wants to save everyone even at the expense of all her crews life. I'm just saying Enemy of my Enemy is my friend. They should have just given 8472 to the Hirogen. Voyager really couldn't afford making more enemies. 🤷
@insertanynameyouwant5311
3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerreed7796 They just didn't have Burnham on board lol
@tylerreed7796
3 жыл бұрын
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 Your probably right, but I wish he was here to stop discovery and Picard. They are just awful and at least his optimistic view on the Future would have stopped that garbage from existing. 👍😫🤷😁
@smartalec2001
3 жыл бұрын
"Sorry, Captain. Warp engines are still offline." Well played, Tom. Lie to the Captain, live to fight another day.
@insertanynameyouwant5311
3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerreed7796 by saying He you mean Roddenbery?
@atigerclaw
4 жыл бұрын
"It could be sensing the Hirogen attack." I think EVERYONE could sense the Hirogen attack, what with the ship literally SHAKING from every hit.
@professorx2607
3 жыл бұрын
🤣😂
@firebat128
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was about as useful as having a half betazoids input on the bridge.
@Snowwie88
4 жыл бұрын
Seven made the right choice, it was either the 8472 AND the Voyager crew or only the 8472.
@deksroning125
7 ай бұрын
Had seven opened the singularity to the Fluidic Space hours before the Hirogen ships got to VOY, this whole situation could have been avoided.
@chrispeplinski7306
4 жыл бұрын
Seven made a difficult choice. Save voyager or the creature.
@skovecka
4 жыл бұрын
that was an easy choice
@rockspoon6528
2 жыл бұрын
The fuck is difficult? Lose the ship and you lose the creature too.
@MrTimeless101
4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love Janeway always down to put her crew in harms way. She really wanted to chase after and try to fight a gang of enemy ships.
@adambrown6669
Жыл бұрын
To be fair Voyager was holding up pretty well, 9 ships firing and the shields only dropped to 74%, as soon as tuvok found that weakness they'd probably destroy a few of them and chase them off.
@shadowgl9
Жыл бұрын
@@adambrown6669 they weren't holding up at all, the only reason they were not destroyed immediately was because they had one of the hirogens and their prey on voyager. They literally had no chance.
@123RADIOactive
9 ай бұрын
@@adambrown6669wrong. Did you not watch the episode or at least this clip? It’s pretty clear that they were at the verge of being crippled and is going to get destroyed. They were literally overpowered due to how many there were.
@deksroning125
7 ай бұрын
You realize of course that Janeway was acting in accordance to SF/UFP ideals, right? That's what they did here. Janeway wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. The situation escalated, but if 7 cooperated, she could have opened a Quantum singularity and 8472 could have emerged to save the day. They could have destroyed the Hirogen ships, but spared VOY because of them saving one of their own - it could have laid the groundwork for future relations. But I can also understand why Seven did what she did - but at the same time if she cooperated from the start, the situation could have been avoided and VOY could have left long before those Hunters arrived.
@drockjr
3 жыл бұрын
What a great scene; an actor with such a stage presence that whispers are more menacing than yelling
@Daehawk
4 жыл бұрын
Gee port AND starboard. If only your ship could go up and down.
@Shadowkey392
4 жыл бұрын
Good luck doing that without the nacelles and their impulse engines.
@ablestmage
4 жыл бұрын
It can go up and down, but no luck going to warp with any kind of nacelle offline.
@nagualdesign
4 жыл бұрын
Port and starboard are where the nacelles are, not what they do! 😆 Did you think the port nacelle was for turning left and the starboard was for turning right? I suppose cars have an engine up front for driving forwards. If only they could reverse somehow!
@ncc1701chris
4 жыл бұрын
Jeri ryan....opps I mean 7 of 9 dose it again. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
@joemagnus5085
7 ай бұрын
This is an example of Janeway being basically suicidal by asking if they can chase the Hirogen. Makes no tactical sense
@IIISentorIII
4 жыл бұрын
*I miss the real STAR TREK so much*
@ddesalvatore
3 жыл бұрын
So buy it and watch it any time you want
@issaccody1161
Жыл бұрын
Sad we go from golden age of Trek to garbage like Discovery and Picard
@checkoutmyyoutubepage
Жыл бұрын
@@issaccody1161New trek is so brain dead.
@psevant1
7 ай бұрын
I agree.
@michaelpickard8779
6 ай бұрын
Discovery would be ok on its own, just drop it from being Star Trek. Picard I actually liked.
@tek512
2 жыл бұрын
The Hirogen aboard Voyager is played by the same guy they had play an older Jake Shako in one episode of DS9, judging by that voice.
@Ama-hi5kn
2 жыл бұрын
Tony Todd represented a lot of different characters in DS9. Among others Worf's brother Kurn. And yes. The older Jake Sisko.
@randomrazr
Жыл бұрын
voyager was out gunned, crippled and dead in the water. what was jane way gonna do? seven saved their asses
@deksroning125
7 ай бұрын
@@randomrazrSeven put them in this predicament by initially refusing to open the Singularity to return the injured 8472 back to the Fluidic Realm hours before the Hirogen ships arrived.
@randomrazr
7 ай бұрын
you would think the ship would have saved her method of opening it from the first time@@deksroning125
@CougarLand
3 жыл бұрын
You need to show the next scene where high and mighty Janeway wrongly chews out Seven for her actions and "demotes" her privileges. I love Janeway's totally BS reply to Seven that they don't know what would have happened if Seven hadn't beamed the alien off the ship.....um YEAH WE DO....you'd all be KILLED OR TORTURED AND THEN KILLED. Janeway deserved a mutiny for this episode just based on her response to Seven.
@Lord_Sunday
3 жыл бұрын
Bruh chill, if you want to be mad be mad at the writers.
@pteppig
3 жыл бұрын
@@Lord_Sunday Janeway is a fictional character, created and puppeted by the writers
@lonknight3197
Жыл бұрын
I think that 7s defense is quite clear she had 2 violent intruders fighting in the hallways of her ship ,easiest way to protect the ship and crew was get them off the ship, it also stopped the attacking ships from destroying Voyager , seems like a win/ win . Maybe she went against captains orders but the situation had changed.
@dhinton1
4 жыл бұрын
Seven made the RIGHT call, even if it wasn't HER call to make. and Seven knew she would face retribution for it, but was willing to live with it cuz she WOULD live with it. S/N: the Hirogen likely would not have destroyed Voyager anyway ... based off what came a couple episodes later.
@mckenziecalhoun316
4 жыл бұрын
What happened later again?
@FekLeyrTarg
4 жыл бұрын
@@mckenziecalhoun316 I think he's refering to the events of "The Killing Game".
@randomrazr
4 жыл бұрын
the ship was about to be beaten to shit . seven knew to save there asses is to let them have the dam soecicies 8172
@Enkarashaddam
7 ай бұрын
Tony Todd really was the perfect Hirogen. Excellent casting choice
@CrazyJoeClark429
3 жыл бұрын
Janeway was not the smartest person on Voyager this day.
@weirdnomad8868
3 жыл бұрын
This was one of my least favorite episodes. Janeway was recklessly endangering her ship and crew just to satisfy her own conscience. What's worse, instead of being grateful to 7 of 9 for saving her and her crew's lives she punishes her. The sad part is though compared to STD and STP this episode was good.
@Pulsarnix
4 жыл бұрын
Seven had no choice, Voyager would have been destroyed
@IrenMasot
3 жыл бұрын
Writers for Voyager were always so scuffed, they talk about 8472 like it's a paper weight, two armed dudes staring directly at their prisoner are somehow taken by surprise, Janeway and her crew are primed to die for a zoo animal, this is a hot mess. At least it's not Discovery.
@311jbknight
3 жыл бұрын
Why do they continue to put little explosive charges in all the electric panels?
@johnrie18
Жыл бұрын
Crap like this is exactly why I never liked Janeway. Always so damn high and mighty.
@keepingitfreal122
4 жыл бұрын
That's hilarious. 7 of 9 saves the ship and crew again from that idiot Janeway. If they were in the alpha quadrant Janeway would have been relieved of command many times over. I'm surprised that her crew didn't mutiny.
@josephlatourette8329
4 жыл бұрын
7 made the right decision but at the same time I think she did it for selfish purposes because she hated species 8472
@joshuabailey9291
Жыл бұрын
So when you say "Candyman" in the mirror 5 times, a hirogen hunter comes for you?
@subscorpion9560
Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite episodes because I like Janeway and Secen butting heads about the injured alien and the alpha hirogen being this cool predator hunting his prey and being played by the amazing Tony Todd. Yes I think Seven did the right thing but I can see why Janeway wanted to save the alien. She wanted to do everything possible to save someone else before saving herself and her crew. It’s a very big flaw yes but I just admire it and that’s why I love this series. I like to think her attitude in 5x1/Night wasn’t just about the array but also the times she also endangered her for so many situations included this one.
@pakde8002
10 ай бұрын
With respect the reckless heroine character is my least favorite type. Janeway continuously puts her crew's lives in danger and often for no reason other than pigheadedness. I would have mutinied in season one or asked to be let off on the first m class planet than spending the rest of my life wondering when she was going to get everyone killed in some horrible way.
@randomrazr
8 ай бұрын
maybe she had a back up plan of some sorts? its clear the hirogen could have destroyed voyager, but they needed their prey alive . no idea what janeway was thnking
@AvengerBB1
8 ай бұрын
@@randomrazr Oh she was thinking about the small, as in really small, chance that saving 8472 would ingratiate them with the rest of the species. Sadly, as often happened in Voyager, she forgot to weigh that against the HUGE chance that they were all going to die in the process rendering it all useless. At points Janeway was an excellent captain, but there were so many where she either forgets or willfully ignores her responsibility to her ship and crew. You know, the things that are supposed to be her first priority as a captain.
@jasonmarcus1683
4 ай бұрын
I don't know, she doesn't seem to value life as much as she claims. If we want to take things to the most extreme to prove this, would she be willing risk millions to save one person? What about a billion? I can't respect someone that reckless, and stupid. Dumbest captain i have ever seen. She takes these insane risks every other episode and it's just embarrassing.
@ccruz619
4 жыл бұрын
Post more voyager clips please!!!
@cobaltblue1975
11 ай бұрын
Seven did what they were obviously too stupid to do. Vastly outnumbered, ship damn near crippled to inoperability, and two enemies who would happily kill every crew member they could find if they weren't busy trying to kill each other, and Janeway is up there hoping for a miracle or something.
@lockjaw5161
4 жыл бұрын
I often wondered if Kurns memory came back and if he got another command.
@safebox36
11 ай бұрын
I just noticed something about this scene, they said earlier in the episode that their sensors couldn't get a lock on 8472. I can understand how Seven might be able to get a lock on it to transport because of her Borg knowledge, but it doesn't explain how the bridge was able to detect where they were after the transport.
@AlexandarHullRichter
10 ай бұрын
They could see where the transporters put what was being transported.
@gary5693
10 ай бұрын
Why didn't Janeway offer the hyrogen a way into fluidic space so that they could hunt as many of species 8472 as they want? I'm sure that they would rather have a more challenging Hunt than winning only one trophy between all of them! That way she can escape from both species
@WR4Riding
4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing back some great clips buddy,
@April-dv2pb
4 жыл бұрын
Any time!
@malicant123
5 ай бұрын
Voyager security teams are rather sub-par. I'd love to see the Star Trek / Warhammer 40k cross over where Voyager gets boarded by Khrone Bezerkers.
@DanBen07
4 жыл бұрын
Is this is a mistake error. The Hirogen has a Starfleet Phaser rifle but when he's beamed off the ship you can see a Hirogen hunting rifle instead.
@twokool4skool129
8 ай бұрын
Janeway is literally the worst captain in Starfleet. If Seven hadn't done what she did, Janeway would have gotten everyone killed protecting a monster who also wanted to kill them.
@takerdust
4 жыл бұрын
one of the annoying things about voyager is that they kept the borg designation species 8472 instead of finding out real name.
@danielyeshe
4 жыл бұрын
Seven would certainly have know the true name.
@squallofthedai
3 жыл бұрын
I just go by STO's designation for them, the Undine
@ensignmjs7058
10 ай бұрын
They didn't know the name at this time.
@FederationStarShip
2 жыл бұрын
1:15 “I’m no exobiologist” Erm, I think he should be…
@Lord_Sunday
3 жыл бұрын
How do I avoid the videos were people are hating on voyager.
@cantdestroyher7245
3 жыл бұрын
Avoid the comments. Trekkies are nothing if not opinionated
@jdsim9173
8 ай бұрын
Humans always making everything about us, the Hirogen never wanted Voyager
@pakde8002
10 ай бұрын
Really wish Janeway would get eaten by either the Hunter or whatever that other thing was. Make Seven captain.
@emdee7744
3 жыл бұрын
So when Tom disobeyed orders on the ocean planet he got demoted, confined, etc. Were there any consequences for Seven going her own way in this situation?
@Brandon_501
3 жыл бұрын
After this scene Seven did get reprimanded by losing some privileges. Still, i think she did the right thing.
@firstname4337
2 жыл бұрын
God, janeway is the WORST captain ever
@Starbat88
9 күн бұрын
That Hirogen makeup is pretty impressive.
@Clin45
2 жыл бұрын
Voyager was a great show but the ship was just too weak. Galaxy Class all day!!!
@jayman105
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone gangsta until the Hirogen show up....
@professorx2607
3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@thirdworldrider6991
2 жыл бұрын
she was gonna pursue for stupid 8472 lol
@garlandremingtoniii1338
3 жыл бұрын
Captain Janaway was dead-ass wrong to put her ship & crew in such mortal & horrible danger. BIG TIME!!! 7 of 9 was 100%, correct. In the previous episode she was specifically told that the “Herrogans” ship was far far superior to hers and it’s fire power was far superior to the Voyager. On top of that the hunters were far superior to the voyageurs crew in every way. So she was an idiot a flat out idiot to not only put her crew and ship in such danger and not give them that hideous creature. Not only this time but throughout all seven years she consistently puts her ship & crew in danger so many times, over so many years in years. And to be so far away from safe space back in their own quadrant back close to earth. She really should’ve been relieved of command along time ago for being an idiot captain. When you come to realize you’re that far from home you’re number one priority should be to get back as quickly as possible not stop To investigate other races or get caught up in so many different scenarios..
@legionofsentinels
4 жыл бұрын
69 would have been better
@Kamuichan99
4 жыл бұрын
Back then, when Hirogen were still Hirogen and not a cuddle toy that untalented Star Trek writers made them lateron.
@Tree0fL1fe
10 ай бұрын
Candy Man, Candy Man, Candy Man 🪞
@kingsman8475
3 жыл бұрын
Voyager's weapon respone was lousy in this battle scene. Janeway should be relieved of duty.
@altiusbelowdeck4190
Ай бұрын
0:53 that was a nasty hit
@BrandonAgpaoa
2 жыл бұрын
If only the Federation maintained a military, I think would have made all the difference in how we engage in warfare.
@unitor699industries
4 жыл бұрын
nice
@OneofInfinity.
3 жыл бұрын
And telling them about holographic tech, gave an interesting 2 parter and doctor episode.
@demarcusfaulkner7411
4 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure 7 wanted to get rid of that 8472 creature and in so doing she saved the ship.
@IndigoIndustrial
3 жыл бұрын
She's the only one who's allowed to have numbers in her name. Species 8472 had to go.
@demarcusfaulkner7411
3 жыл бұрын
@@IndigoIndustrial good point
@LMG1792
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah janeway was wrong here. If not for 7 they would have all been dead.
@caleyyouhavtyuiopiy
3 жыл бұрын
The only reason I didn’t say was why would
@vithalbhaipatel1013
2 жыл бұрын
Well show. Good show.
@stevenhanna6973
4 жыл бұрын
Janeway head ain’t good say go after them lol
@MrTimeless101
2 жыл бұрын
Seven of 9 saves the crew of Voyager from Janeway's naivety once again.
@tanjawachsmuth5631
15 күн бұрын
Well the actress was sleeping with the Producer and hated Kate Mulgrew..
@allensmith6430
3 жыл бұрын
Janeway would let her whole crew die and different woman saved the day!! Dont put women in charge of anything where there are lives on the line.
@squallofthedai
3 жыл бұрын
Ripley called, she laughs at this entire comment
@jasonmarcus1683
4 ай бұрын
Okay, but you literally contradict yourself in the same comment.
@Rampageotron
3 жыл бұрын
All that to save one 8472, but she gladly murdered Tuvix lol
@cdh1337
4 жыл бұрын
What a stupid story. So sick of stupid political correctness.
@squallofthedai
3 жыл бұрын
This was way prior to political correctness, ffs, get your projection out of here.
@xadam2dudex
3 жыл бұрын
I'd be embarrassed to be a crewmember on the Voyager .. They can't fight their way out of a paper bag
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