Star Wars comic artist, Salvador Larroca has come back into controversy for his artwork on the Star Wars 2015 comic back in 2017. #Disney #StarWars #CloneWars
Big time lol, heads need to roll, but we all know that’s never gonna happen…
@Clooger-
15 күн бұрын
Yes they absolutely do
@ShannonCarter55
14 күн бұрын
Quote from a friend: starting with Harvey Weinstein's former assistant.
@joeiorio9654
14 күн бұрын
@@ShannonCarter55 “This person worked for Weinstein that means she’s bad” Bold to assume she was even involved in what he was doing
@YurRedRooster
14 күн бұрын
@@joeiorio9654Every one of Weinsteins former assistants was aware of his behaviour. You need to dig your head deep in the sand to believe Headland wasn't.
@macwelch8599
16 күн бұрын
This artwork looks so bad
@themadmachad1079
16 күн бұрын
It’s not even artwork. It’s just a trace of a frame from the show.
@austinsnow2397
16 күн бұрын
Yes it does
@pysz6748
14 күн бұрын
“Artwork.”
@JohnWall-lj1mx
13 күн бұрын
Legitimately looks like they had an AI do it
@feraldegenerate1743
13 күн бұрын
Friday, do me a favor, make this frame look like its drawn by a cartoonist? Scale down from 9:16 to 4 thirds. Crop to subject Yes boss, rendering will be complete in 30 seconds Friday, reduce to 8 bit colors, and optimize render time. Okay boss, the image may have artifacts....
@primal1233
16 күн бұрын
This artwork looks absolutely terrible and ridiculous
@The_Killah29
16 күн бұрын
It's just poor quality rotoscoping.
@Sky2023-uf3ip
16 күн бұрын
No mms parecen curimomos When haces tus momos en el Lado Oscuro -El futuro es hoy oiste Obi-wan xddd
@ngrjordi2352
16 күн бұрын
@@Sky2023-uf3ipno
@charlesgrant6808
13 күн бұрын
I'll be honest and say that it reminds me of badly drawn porn comics on r34
@Satellaview1889
13 күн бұрын
@@charlesgrant6808 You take that back. R34 can put this thing to shame any day of the week!
@princecharon
16 күн бұрын
The art is representative of how much the executives respect and care about the fans, id est, not at all.
@olenvailla
14 күн бұрын
Why would we expect anything else? They are driven by profit, they know people will continue to consume Star Wars media no matter how awful it is. Its much more profitable for them to create cheap garbage and deal with backlash than it is to do literally anything else. Their hunger for profit will go to any extent to satiate itself, art is not exempt, and this hunger permeates throughout every aspect of society. Profit firstly establishes and then legitimizes their position within society. Why would they ever stop?
@adam145
12 күн бұрын
What a coincidence, that's the same amount of respect I have for the brand too. The last time I spent money on Star Wars was like two years ago 10 bucks for Knights of the Old Republic on Switch. I almost got myself an art book for Episode VIII but after I saw the movie I knew I don't want to throw away my money.
@devindalton4688
11 күн бұрын
Id est, really? Lol
@TimothySnowman
16 күн бұрын
Marvel, hire me! I know how to use the poster edges filter in Photoshop, too!
@thewalrus45
16 күн бұрын
as you said Larroca is an established and talented artist.. He is fully capable of penciling for a monthly and has done so plenty over the years.. but for some reason he just almost consistently phones it in for his Star Wars work and they just keep letting him.
@timetochronicle
14 күн бұрын
The problem is Disney. The crunch, the low quality, its all Disney. Dosney did the same thing to Power rangers back when they had that franchise
@maxav1wolvman874
13 күн бұрын
Ironic
@footfucker6974
11 күн бұрын
@@timetochroniclebro the vid showed another guy same crunch better work srry but this guy is obviously being lazy if u couldnt tell from the blatant mistakes and the obvious real pictures with shading filters put over it
@kha4911
10 күн бұрын
Honestly I don't blame em, especially for something like a comic for the Obi-Wan tv series, why work hard and passionately on something so god awfully bad?
@timetochronicle
9 күн бұрын
@@kha4911 its content made with cynicism. Star Wars under Disney cant grow up - Ibremember watching a video essay pointing this out how the Ahsoka tv series had to hamfist Darth Vader in it. I may dislike the Prequels, but at least the expanded universe planned to go beypnd just Darth Vader. We could have stories about the Old Republic, Exar Kun and Kyle Katarn by now. Instead Disney is just retreading old ground.
@alphabuckeyelion2233
16 күн бұрын
The Luke Skywalker picture looks like they took a lightsaber png and clicked "send backward" behind a png of clenched hands
@cesaroyola5902
15 күн бұрын
Reeva is doing her best impression of Ki-Adi-Mundi
@anneboonchuy17
16 күн бұрын
That forehead tho
@flyboymb
16 күн бұрын
That's no forehead, it's a battlestation!
@akl2k7
14 күн бұрын
Must be Metalunan (look up "This Island Earth")
@slyninja4444
13 күн бұрын
Hey, I love girls with big foreheads
@topsidescinecade3491
12 күн бұрын
Could fit a second Reva on there.
@mh2120
12 күн бұрын
She should donate some to the Grand Inquisitor
@kyleeanderson161
16 күн бұрын
Not just Star Wars either. He traced over Neca figures, Resident Evil 3 remake, stock photos of houses, cars, and added himself into Marvel's first few runs of Alien.
@Devdev009
16 күн бұрын
It’s probably a mix of: deadlines, apathy, and the editors not saying anything thus condoning the practice. Just look at Greg Land. He’s kept around cause he meets his deadlines despite swiping and tracing porn. Like Larocca, Greg Land did good work back in the day, especially his Birds of Prey stuff. Going even _farther_ back and you get Vince Coletta!
@AlienBemular
16 күн бұрын
Those are big meaty hands.
@Devdev009
16 күн бұрын
Those are some Frank Miller hands right there
@70thalternativeaccount63
16 күн бұрын
BIG. MEATY. CLAWS!
@Golems_wrath
15 күн бұрын
MR KRABS- “ WHATD YA SAY PUNK?! .... XD
@paulbadman8509
13 күн бұрын
@@Golems_wrathBIG. MEATY. CLAWS! 🦞
@Golems_wrath
13 күн бұрын
@@paulbadman8509 WELL these claws ain't just for attracting mates! XD
@TY-km8hj
16 күн бұрын
A lot of modern star wars comics have been lazy and uninspired over the last 5-10 yrs
@timewarpdrive77
14 күн бұрын
10 years you say.. hmmmm... I wonder why?
@noahsylvester1754
13 күн бұрын
@@timewarpdrive77 because it's true, disney's writers are troglodytes
@DarthGorr
12 күн бұрын
Because they are just new artists like very young? You wanted the old ones that still drawing some artwork in your comics? Like beautiful faces and sexualized female body? Well are you all fucked up people? What you thinking? You all always complaining everything even the artwork! Geez, what happen to the humanity?!
@ulgrineh1
9 күн бұрын
Fr its funny that neckbeards praise badly written dark empire comic series
@timewarpdrive77
9 күн бұрын
@@ulgrineh1 Wtf are you talking about? dark empire is 30 years old
@emperortivurnis9161
16 күн бұрын
Crunch kills talent sure, but most of his portfolio (a ton of which is X-Men) is actually quality, but I just think he doesn't like or care about star wars so when you add that to the crunch marvel puts their artists under you get.... big meaty hands, big forheads, and cropped face edits.
@alieninsectbass
16 күн бұрын
Oof, that's awful. I think the bigger problem is the unrealistic deadlines and rampant continuous crunch. Given more realistic working hours and deadlines and a much bigger focus on mental health, artists would be creating the best work of their lives *and* loving their job at the same time.
@LostChrisB
16 күн бұрын
I think back to dark horse comics and I’m trying to remember if their art was low effort scans of peoples faces and stolen fan’s work, I don’t think so. What has become of the modern comic book industry where this feels like the norm for one of the most recognisable franchises in America.
@Nliman
11 күн бұрын
There was one or two from the "Tales" series that used scans. However, most of those scans were photographed for the actual comic, no screenshots from the movies, with the minor exception of Han Solo, if I recall correctly. But I'm pretty sure they did that because it was a fun idea at the time for a one-time comic short.
@AJadedLizard
11 күн бұрын
DH's art was *so* good. Even when the stories weren't the best, the art alone is worth a read, especially since they didn't suffer from Marvel's paragraphs of text per panel problem.
@p5ychojoe138
16 күн бұрын
Not sure about the one at 0:26, though it looks like is put Mark's face into a filter then drew over it. The Obiwan show comic though, looks straight up like a filter was slapped over the entire image, or that it was traced. Which really brings the question in, was that ordered by the execs, was it a middle finger to the people that asked for it to be made, or was it the artists "sos" type thing?
@gamedude412
16 күн бұрын
Past talent doesn’t equal future success.
@MGSmainthemeBACK
16 күн бұрын
I miss dark horse
@jibril2473
16 күн бұрын
Bro I was about to say the same thing!
@davidtaylor142
10 күн бұрын
It died because it didn't do the crunch. It's quality or quantity in this industry now unfortunately
@kail4997
16 күн бұрын
They wouldn’t because marvel comics has been a shit show for years. They only care if you can get a book done on time and on budget, hence you receive… this ungodly abomination of a book.
@robotmonkeys
15 күн бұрын
It’s jarring because there’s so many panels where you recognize the source image.
@joshuahill6994
15 күн бұрын
I remember xpgamers talking about something similar in an empire at war video back in 2019 to 2020 I believe, their was a comic that took place between tlj and tros and in one of the panels it showed a group of resistance ship that looked EXACTLY THE SAME. As a 3d printing model you can get for free online. It was the allegiance comic series in the 4 th issue. I can't find the article anymore but It's 1 am for me and I ain't lookin no more
@Emberheart_
16 күн бұрын
Yeah he traces stuff by taking photos, shopping them together and overlaying them with soft effects before tracing a line around it. That's how someone who either can't really draw makes art, or someone who's crunched into deadlines. It's quite bad overall. One could argue that it's some kind of pop-art style but it just looks lazy.
@7783DEATH
16 күн бұрын
This guy drew an aliens comic and they caught him tracing directly from toys. The guy always sucked
@brotherbruno1783
12 күн бұрын
This crosses the uncanny valley pretty hard. It’s like the skin on the body exists on a separate plane of reality to everything else around it
@linussutherland6624
11 күн бұрын
Eugh. This is an accurate description, but now that it's been put into words it's almost worse.
@Satellaview1889
13 күн бұрын
When I saw the image, my first thought was a crappy generative AI making an image of "Luke Skywalker holding a lightsaber" or something. It is almost impressive that this was actually drawn by someone, and then published in a printed document. I don't expect much these days out of low-level cooperate stuff, but this is the bear minimum!
@pyrosauria7444
16 күн бұрын
Tidywire did an amazing redraw of the panel of Luke that was featured in the video. Though it's kinda annoying that some other fans came after them for it.
@SilvaKrovacski
16 күн бұрын
That's not the worst Star Wars has done tbh, a lot more should be fired too
@elliotbrown7789
13 күн бұрын
Head so tall you could land an x-wing on it
@BartholomewFrederickTheThird
9 күн бұрын
Forehead that puts the grand inquisitor to shame 💀💀💀
@vthesnail
16 күн бұрын
I recently was going over the marvel comics and I remember being pleasantly surprised by how decent story wise they were. But this guy’s art genuinely ruins a lot of good arcs from both star wars (2015) and darth vader (2015)
@phantomknight6428
16 күн бұрын
That's disheartening to hear. Are the comics worth reading anyway? I am sort of interested in star wars (2015) but this guy's art is off-putting
@vthesnail
16 күн бұрын
Star Wars (2015) is a decent comic overall imo. It does a lot to expand on the story of the original crew between ANH and ESB. Also it sheds some light on the galactic civil war at it's peak. In that sense it's kind of like the clone wars show, but for the original trilogy era. That being said there are two things you need to know going into it: 1) This guy's art is in the majority of issues and it just kinda sucks lmao. You get used to it after a while but some of the awkward frames don't stop being funny. (There's a hyper detailed "Han Swollo" frame later on that I am shocked wasn't turned into a meme). Other artists do draw for some arcs tho and usually looks pretty great, comparatively at least. 2) Marvel comics are very interconnected and the sw ones are no exception. A lot of the comics crossover a lot and even share characters which creates something of a separate mini comic universe within the wider Star Wars universe. This does mean, though, that the reading order is sometimes fucked and you may or may not have to read another comic's issues to figure out what's happening. If you're reading by compiled volumes this shouldn't be too much of a problem, but if you're reading by issues you should find a list with all the issues of the comic released chronologically. I personally used the one in the comic's wookieepedia article. Otherwise this comic's writing is pretty good at capturing the original characters. I especially love Luke who's written as this naive yet inexorable beacon of hope and empathy.
@Crocthunder
9 күн бұрын
100% I was glad he was gone but i WISH they would go back and have some redraw cause so many of the stories ARE GOOD actually, esp luke, people do not praise lukes arc in the comics enough
@Crocthunder
9 күн бұрын
@@vthesnail Charles soule for me is the best luke so far, though they need to free him from post ESB but that ends in sept at least
@phantomknight6428
9 күн бұрын
@@Crocthunder Would you recommend Star Wars 2020 after 2015? I'm reading Dark Horse stuff so it'll be a while until I get to the Marvel stuff, but I am interested regardless
@HuRC-425
16 күн бұрын
turns out we got the wrong salvador in the wrong era...
@SpiritOfBagheera
12 күн бұрын
Salvador Larroca was awesome on FF and X-Treme X-Men (both with Chris Claremont).
@Frenchy_47
12 күн бұрын
Star Wars needs to fire a lot of people to be fair, but yeah this artist, any comic book fan knows that he needs to be completely sacked off.
@SkeletalCommissar
16 күн бұрын
That is the issue I quit reading Marvel Star Wars
@Kurayamiblack
12 күн бұрын
I thought that Anakin face was a fan edited meme. That thing is official!? 😂🤣
@liammeech3702
15 күн бұрын
How do you no-clip in drawn art???
@GUNUFofficial
13 күн бұрын
Oh god remember the giant chested captain america comic panel
@BradRedacted
11 күн бұрын
This is sad because I remember him drawing x-treme x-men back in the day and that book was beautiful
@FizzyEEEEE
10 күн бұрын
Luke Skywalker deadass be looking like Mr Fantastic
@InabaPrism
12 күн бұрын
This is not art. These are photos ran through a Photoshop filter. There's no way anyone drew this.
@Chill227
6 күн бұрын
You should link the video you mentioned at the end
@Korgano
13 күн бұрын
I don’t know a lot about comic art, so I ask… are some of those just still photos from the TV show with a filter applied to them?
@user-id5cs4rb5o
11 күн бұрын
Step 1, get a screen grab. Maybe a couple you've photoshopped together. Step 2, trace with digital ink of your choice.(turn off visibility when done) Step 3, blur filter on background color layer, then digitally paint over it. Step 4, turn back on visibility of "ink" layer. Step 5: (if time permits) add "details" and "embellishments" Turn in when complete.
@phillipwattsjr.4714
11 күн бұрын
It's the modern equivalent of Herb Thrimp biting Liefeld.
@Crocthunder
9 күн бұрын
Lorroca being put in the show adaptation closet is funny
@Doherty0182
12 күн бұрын
The thing is usually you have a penciller, inker and colourist. There’s no way any of these panels were pipelined through three people. Looks more like it’s just him skipping the drawing process, tracing lines on a layer above (pretty badly at that since there’s no line weight to be seen) then on the image just slapping a filter over to skip the colouring process. If I had to guess he’s done the good old “no need to hire anyone else, I’ll save you money and do the lot” so they’ll keep coming to him because let’s be honest, the only language that Disney speaks is money. To put it into perspective it takes about 1-2 days to pencil a full page 1 day to ink a full page and 1-2 to colour a full page depending on the complexity and standard of quality. This man producing these would probably produce 5-6 in a day using the method stating above.
@Hardcovered
12 күн бұрын
First of all i agree with him needing to change, or go BUT this is not because fo "Marvel crunch". All Comicbooks fromm the Big Two and more a puplished the same way, in the same timeframe. There are fantastic Artists, that do fantastic stuff in a short amount of time. This guy is Screenshotting and putting some lines over it. It is also unfair to compare Cover-Art (Noto) to the interiour of a Book.
@zachanikwano
6 күн бұрын
Okay two things: 1) Disney, pay your people well and give them enough time to do their work 2) If I am buying a big brand name comic, I am NOT paying the top dollar for art that is literally worse than most fan art/indie works
@higheyrie6176
11 күн бұрын
They need to fire a lot of people
@WrathOfGrapesN7
10 күн бұрын
I'm not much of a comic book reader, but I know a composite image when I see one... and to answer the question of why the higher ups allowed this? They don't care about artistic integrity, only getting your money.
@antoniomoreira7927
9 күн бұрын
As a lover of comics, I can confidently say that the old legends comics were not just great as star wars comics but just great comics overall, many of them have unique and groundbreaking art like everything Cam Kennedy touched (stuff like dark empire and the boba Fett comics with that amazing watercolor coloring) among many others. The Star wars expanded universe in general used to feel like a genuine playground for talented writers and artists to experiment and show off their skills now it just feels like pointless merchandise for the movies, just a side thing that doesn't get the love it used to get by its authors or fans.
@CharlesRichelieu-hv7sn
13 күн бұрын
Star wars is already dead, it died as soon as disney got ahold of it and nothing disney makes is canonical.
@roykeeley
12 күн бұрын
Glad people are talking about this. I recently read through the first Star Wars canon series and good god Larroca made it look awful. I get that he’s a talented artist, but I think one of his issues is that he relies on models to make his art look good (for instance, the character Cylo is based on Larroca himself). While in other comics he can use and pose models however he likes, he seems to be forcing himself to use movie/show stills for Star Wars, probably to maintain those characters’ iconic looks. This means he’s probably spending more time looking for the right stills to draw from, which ends up being wasted effort because a lot of these characters end up looking weird and unpleasant anyway.
@WyattDucar
15 күн бұрын
Actually Eck the title should be ''Marvel needs to fire this guy.'' as most of the star wars comics are from Marvel Comics?
@Prophetofthe8thLegion
16 күн бұрын
*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH- WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THING???!!!???*
@richardduska1558
11 күн бұрын
"art". This is taking screen shoots from the movie/tv show and just putting a filter on it when it comes to faces. When it comes to hands like that than it's just not knowing how to draw it.
@Lowestformofhumor
13 күн бұрын
Looks like a tv show tie in game for the Wii. Taking cutscenes and putting the scanner darkly filter over it
@rosesske2551
12 күн бұрын
Don’t insult the Wii like that.
@VulpisFoxfire
13 күн бұрын
I wonder if he's any relation to the 'artist' who did the ST:TNG/Dr. Who crossover comic that was half really bad artwork, and half badly obvious traces and recolors of live action stills from both shows? (no joke, I had checked out a copy of the graphic novel from the local library, showed it to my brother who at the time was a fan of both shows...and he literally went through going 'This is from this episode, this is from that episode', etc...)
@Dimas5
11 күн бұрын
It looks like they put that cartoon filter over shots from the movie
@goORIOLES236
13 күн бұрын
There’s tracing and then there’s this…. I don’t think you can even legally call this illustration. They’re just screenshots with a photoshop filter overtop.
@panzer00
8 күн бұрын
It looks like he's tracing set photographs
@okmega22
13 күн бұрын
What if instead of advocating for the firing of a quality artist, you advocate for greedy corporations to stop crunching timelines in order to maximize profit?
@mothwhomightnotbetrustworthy
6 күн бұрын
Its almost as if they turned a lego character into a real person....
@facundopollacino7956
14 күн бұрын
Dios, ¿cómo pasamos del estilo de arte de la Prisión Fantasma a esto?
@wolfuii4171
13 күн бұрын
Bruh how tf does he draw ai art without it being ai art. That’s impressive by itself.
@grintv6238
10 күн бұрын
This is the art Disney star wars deserves.
@baronmateo6736
11 күн бұрын
Disney needs to fire dozens, even hundreds starting with K.K.
@RealMilester1
15 күн бұрын
Its like you take a screenshot from the show or movie, put it in Photoshop and ad that basic comic filter to it
@arthurluna6189
9 күн бұрын
The thumb explains itself.
@minecraftskygirl1162
13 күн бұрын
Bro just took the movie and drew some lines infrond of it
@DarrenWatson64
13 күн бұрын
Step aside Rob Liefeld. You have met your match.
@bowen4878
13 күн бұрын
Don’t forget to fire Kathleen Kennedy, Deborah Chow, Bob, and all the people that crossed out Luke at Lucasfilm ranch.
@mecojean4119
9 күн бұрын
They are really putting effort in trying to beat the buffed Captain America art
@blossom9510
12 күн бұрын
It has been years and people have been complaining about Larroca since DAY ONE. It's amazing that this stuff makes it to print...
@JezOnYT88
16 күн бұрын
It looks like he's trying to do realism style
@williamzebub3252
2 күн бұрын
Guru-eFX colors do not mesh well with LaRocca's pencils.
@fugofugo5135
13 күн бұрын
Ok I am not sure if you ever heard of that thing called AI, And if you mean to tell me THAT is not AI generated, well... I guess you deserve This quality
@MaitlandJones
13 күн бұрын
It's just screenshots of the series put through a comic filter!
@POTTERANDMATRIXFAN
12 күн бұрын
Yeah they should fire him and just slap movie screenshots in place of art.
@DanielSmith-zo1db
11 күн бұрын
I’m sure this is not only approved by but pushed by his higher ups
@jackkemp7256
13 күн бұрын
1:06 Nah, Leia’s face is off. 1:11 Wait, I don’t see much wrong there.
@adinocc2042
9 күн бұрын
Marvels been letting Greg Land get away with the same thing forever. Not going to be long before they just decide to go full AI.
@spamielentertainment
13 күн бұрын
0:13 Anakins face here needs to become a meme.
@benm8214
13 күн бұрын
I think two artists will tackle crunch in two different ways. One might absolutely break themselves to create acceptable art while the other prioritises their mental, physical, and emotional health, and as a result, their art isn't up to scratch. I think where cruch culture is ever involved, we must blame crunch culture, and nothing more.
@sheablack311
11 күн бұрын
That’s sad dude. His art was so good on x men back in the day
@novaenforcer1563
13 күн бұрын
Looks like someone just used a filter over real faces
@vladimirlestrad3120
13 күн бұрын
*Sees thumbnail of video.* Me: Jimmy Neutron forehead.
@user-lw2ck1dr3y
12 күн бұрын
Star Wars died in 2005 ……
@darksideorseid6300
7 күн бұрын
The art matches the quality of the show... *SHIT*
@stiglapoint5672
13 күн бұрын
Yeah this is why I really just stopped just reading the main Star Wars comic and read certain other comics like Vader (for now), Aphra and any other comic because the artwork is so much better
@LCR-iy6xq
14 күн бұрын
Uncanny valley is his vibe
@angeloluna529
14 күн бұрын
we went from the trend of bad steven universe style of art now to this
@katrinachavali416
13 күн бұрын
I think my favourite comic book artist is the guy who drew the White Knight comics, I love that sharp style
@marciedresel7051
12 күн бұрын
What really sucks is that the comics are awesome in every other way
@princessunicorn9267
13 күн бұрын
And my friend who is an artist whose doing her best to adapt to styles, stresses out on rendering, freaks out she hasnt produced enough work, is denied a job because she doesnt have experience....and somehow THIS guy gets away with it? PS: the guy is talented dont get me wrong but this is why communication and strategy is key. Certain jobs are given to certain people for a reason.
@hansolobutimdead
12 күн бұрын
This looks AI generated
@entropy11
13 күн бұрын
This is literally just a paint-over of blurred movie and tv screenshots
@siovgaming2674
16 күн бұрын
As a huge fan of the Kenobi series, Jesus Christ does the comic just look like traced screenshots from the series put through an AI filter.
@timewarpdrive77
14 күн бұрын
Huge fan? Of that trash?
@siovgaming2674
14 күн бұрын
@@timewarpdrive77 yes, of that trash. Anything else?
@timewarpdrive77
14 күн бұрын
@@siovgaming2674 bro liked his own comment
@siovgaming2674
13 күн бұрын
@@timewarpdrive77 and you are being a dick cause a commenter with 6 likes enjoys a show that you don’t, out of the two of us I’d argue I’m still the less pathetic one no matter how many of my own comments I like.
@siovgaming2674
13 күн бұрын
@@timewarpdrive77yeah I didn’t think you had anything else to say.
@seileen1234
12 күн бұрын
This is what we get when the art is not valuable as the deadlines. Larroca gets the job done in time, and that's the only thing they care about
@slashinswingin4369
4 күн бұрын
Star Wars comics making characters look like renders of the movie characters has always looked bad
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