Anyone else disappointed in guardian ships? No beds, no workbenches, no way to upgrade.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I try to move on from the Guardian as quickly as possible in each NG+ round. The only reason I brought it out for this video is just to make sure I don't do something that relies on already having a better ship. In this case, it's 'sleeping on Venus.' Out of habit, I'd do that in my ship if I hadn't forced myself to take the Guardian. Another subscriber mentioned Copernicus IV has the same time dilation as Venus to the problem is solved too. If all you have is the Guardian, take it to find something better. Then leave it in the garage for the rest of the run. ;)
@Chris-wu2hc
5 ай бұрын
I don’t care much about workbenches on ships, but no way to sleep and no upgrades definitely make them feel half baked.
@Kiba_Uchiha509
5 ай бұрын
Terrible, only reason I have the maxed one if for collection purposes.
@thomasbutleriii9748
4 ай бұрын
First thing I do on any replay is go to serpentis and collect a new ship. Guardian ships are a big disappointment. Since patch I haven't found a single Vista III. Majorly disappointed. Fix this quickly please Bethesda. Also thank you for calling it a sonic boom and not a bang.
@jamesconlin1581
4 ай бұрын
This new update fixes that... We will be able to put stuff in The Guardians
@mikegardner1589
5 ай бұрын
I recently found your KZitem channel. I really enjoy you presentation.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@baxter2908
5 ай бұрын
Interesting video about the ships. I am still finding empty ship landing sites and now, in just the last hour, I have found two empty landing sites and as I was approaching the empty site and about 90m away a ship sonic boom sounded and the ship almost landed on top of me. But low & behold the ship was inaccessible after it discharged 3 or 4 enemy. One was a Va’run Dirge III and one was an Ecliptic class C forgot the exact type. Trying your technique to improve my chances. If it works you can meet me at the Viewport in New Atlantis and I’ll buy you a drink.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I almost never see them drop people off and leave unless I start shooting the ground troops. The RNG in this game confuses me often. Thanks for watching!
@fiftythree30
5 ай бұрын
works 100%. Holy moly! I found several empty landing sites since patch but no ships. Thanks for posting. here's the tl/dw. Verfied several times this morning. Look for empty ship landing sites. They will likely be in open areas not near POIs. There's no flag or pointer, just look for small empty plateaus where ships land. Sometimes when you get to within 270 meters of it, a ship will instantly be in view or sometimes it will just be empty ship landing site with flag/marker now. Remember where you are, drop outpost or remember your landing site, etc. When you see an empty site, go to Venus sleep for 24 hours there. (2400 hours UT) When you come back, make a quick save in orbit or at least 300meters away from the empty landing site. Walk towards site again, at exactly 270 meters out, you hear the sonic boom and see incoming ship land at that site like normal!! If you don't like the ship that comes in, just revert to your save from before you walked in and walk in again for random roll on new ship.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Great summary. A subscriber added in his comment, a post on Copernicus IV has the same time dilation and you can build there without a points in Planitary Habitation.
@UncleHarlow
5 ай бұрын
Yeah I did exactly what you said at 2 different moons archimedes system. No matter what I do or how many sleep cycles the only thing that lands for me is a starboard gaurdian ship that I can’t steal
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Are you on IV-A and I-A? Out of six moons, those are the only ones with He-3. Those two are reliable. I'm curious what level you are and if you're pre-NG+. I tested with a pre-NG+ character and he was the only one I saw Starborn Guardian's landing on SLSs. In NG+, I never see random Guardians land.
@Nalam73
4 ай бұрын
Does this work on NG+ after you’ve already purchased a ship?
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
@@Nalam73 tbh, I never buy ships so technically speaking I can't say if it does or doesn't. Not sure why it would be related to that. If you try, let us know.
@mercurytoad
4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. Because of your vid, I was finally able to find a landing site. I had been trying for days. A little tip, as soon as you get close to one, make an Outpost Beacon so it's easy for you to fast travel to this spot all the time. Thank again.
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
Great tip. I tend to be cautious at first, saving in space, then saving elsewhere on the planet, and eventually creeping up to placing a save or outpost nearby. I count on people to optimize and share their experience. Thanks!
@DrVenture45
5 ай бұрын
I still scratch my head about the random NPCs you get after owning some ships. I grabbed the same Hyena III, but removed the rear all-in-one hub for a workbench hub. I like playing Starfield, but I’m feeling a bit of “bug fatigue” lately. Great post! 👍🏾
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
They (bugs) create a strange base level sense of uncertainty. "Is that supposed to do that or is it just doing that because it's a bug? Should I be concerned? Will it affect something else? I'm not paranoid. No, no definitely not me." You may have surpassed your bug-per-day rate threshold. Pace yourself. :)
@flippery6668
4 ай бұрын
Just found your channel. I love your content, very relaxing and interesting thanks for doing what you do!
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
Thanks, I'll try to keep it chill.
@SaturdaySportsman
5 ай бұрын
Since the patch, the couple times I've had a ship come down, it just dumps some guys out then takes off.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I ran 19 tests last night. Of those on two occasions a nice big ship (Hyena III / Wight III) did a drop-off and left. This was on Archimedes IV-A. On one attempt the ship just appeared on the landing area. The other 16 times, the ships landed after the sonic boom.
@pattyladd
5 ай бұрын
When I first watched this, I didn't think it would work. It did, thanks for sharing this!
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Wonderful. Once you master finding the ship landing sites, it gets easy. We'll see if they patch it out. ;)
@cho2969
3 ай бұрын
I'm sitting here watching this, talking to the TV, saying, "Well, go get it!" 🤣
@Ricksasha
5 ай бұрын
A positive video on Starfield, and with a player who, besides me, actually uses the Guardian. Very cool. There are not many of us :) Great video. To backtrack for a bit - the empty ship bug. If you are near about 20 ships that do not take off (especially the starborn ships), you will develop a bug. That bug will give you empty ships that you dock on, or encounter on land. Imagine my horror as I bring my dagger that administers CPR (corrosion, poison and radiation) to the adorable Va'ruun zealots as I dock on their ships in the Serpentis system - AND THE SHIP IS EMPTY !! I BEGGED Bethesda support to do something about this. March 6 beta comes along. I see the zealots !! I administer CPR !! I am so happy. BUUUUT. I am not seeing ships landing anywhere. No mention of empty ship bug after beta is over. Why would Bethesda not mention this bug that they fixed, they mentioned hundreds of others they fixed. Oh boy, that must mean they are still working on it. Aahhh, that's why hardly any ships landing. I have managed to see some walking on moons with craters at night, walking by small POI's. But I will try your system, great idea. Two things to tell you - try pointing your scanner at the approaching ship, it will identify the ship for you. Also, try sleeping only 6 hours on Venus (I hope you put an outpost there). This resets the ship vendors credits, so it should be enough time to reset the POI's. Hopefully that will save you some time. Oh and one last thing - if you do not want to keep the ship you are about to board, do a hard save right before getting on the ship that has landed, in case it takes off. Usually reloading that save, the ship will stay.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I'm still parsing all this, but I think you're right about it taking less than a full 24 hours to get the job done. I didn't test shorter periods mostly so I could get the video done quicker. I always end up with far more footage than I can fit in without making them too long. Thanks for watching!
@Ricksasha
5 ай бұрын
Testing now. Tried your suggestion, no luck. But found a processing plant with repeated ship encounters on Archimedes 1a. My landing site is about 500 meters away. The 6 hour rest on Venus does reset the ship visits. Have had guardian, falcatta and raccoon so far. So we can have our fill of ship encounters doing this, pretty cool.@@kineer
@snakeater4969
5 ай бұрын
I follow this strategy but I only sleep 10 hours on Venus. I built an outpost on Burran in the Cheyenne system where there are (3) Landing Sites near enough to my outpost. It’s true I don’t hear the sonic boom or see the ship landing any longer but when I get near the site the ship will be landed.
@nywolf9798
5 ай бұрын
Their was a small patch today, and some planets seem to have ships again, but not all. Hugens works great, and a few others like Decaren.
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
Got a Claymore 3 on Hawkin 5-a 🥰
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
They claimed it was just these two items, but I have "Bethesda skepticism" so anything could have changed. ;) ✅ Players can once again capture characters in action poses in photo mode ✅ Addressed an issue that could cause characters to become stuck repeating a line of dialogue twitter.com/BethesdaStudios/status/1772655959740985761
@macmcneace9567
5 ай бұрын
Yep, that’s the way to do it. I also found a moon with a day/night almost as long as Venus on the right hand side of the map with a civilian outpost, makes it closer, but you can also do the same thing on the left hand side of the map. Have fun, lvl 210ng10+
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Copernicus IV also has 100:1 time dilation (tip from a subscriber here in comments / can't find it again).
@mikehp920
5 ай бұрын
This method works for me too to get ships landing on a planet since the last update. I put down an outpost beacon close to were i first found a landing area with a ship on it and i go back to the sam landing area when i want another ship. You don't have to make a save to reload in orbit before you land to change the ship that spawns. I make a save when I'm close to the landing spot, just before the distance i know I'm going to hear the sonic boom. I reload the save from there if it's not a ship I want and I get a different ship every time. Have so far got about 10 different ships after resting on venues then returning to the same landing spot.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Very nice, thanks for sharing the update. Also Copernicus IV looks like a good planet with the same time dilation at Venus. Nicer atmosphere, about middle of the map. Can put a bed outside (no need for Planetary Habitation). Of course, once you get the first decent ship with a bed you're set. All sounds good though!
@mikehp920
5 ай бұрын
Cheers Kinner, I will definitely check out Copernicus IV. I wasn't very happy when they removed ships spawning on planet's when you land in the latest update but now I think this new method is even better and a lot more convenient. All you have to do is return the same spot on the same planet to get countless free ships. Might as well enjoy it while It work's. it will probably all change again after the next update.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I did more testing (well over 20 cycles with a Starborn and non-Starborn characters). This strategy with the optimizations suggested by you and others can be incredibly efficient. When (not if) you find one or more Ship Landing Sites, set up your sleep point and a choose a not-so-nearby save point, it's a ship printing machine. :) In the end it solves the exact issue I hoped to solve for the general NG+ player: "How do you take the [sub-optimal] Starborn Guardian and move easily into a better platform to finish the rest of an NG+ cycle without having to invest heavily in ship combat/defense skills?" Hint (for anyone following our thread): I can't prove causation, but I found a moon that fit the profile much closer to the center of the map and picked up a Va'Ruun Prophesy III on my sixth attempt.
@iac3131
5 ай бұрын
Does it need to be a Starborn Guardian, I have one, but hate using it. If so, why?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
You do NOT have to use a Starborn Guardian for this approach. I fly a re-fitted Claymore III most of the time, but I wanted to show that you 'could' do this with the default Starborn Guardian. The video series I've been creating is focused on the NG+ startup process so I assume people will start with the Guardian. This the main playlist. kzitem.info/door/PL4LP4F2U2r_tsYYVsf2gjWxdbF7TDS8-3
@pastyman3247
5 ай бұрын
Great video, lots of good points and instructions.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@engelericj
5 ай бұрын
If you don't already know. Assign your left alt key as the secondary jump button in settings. it allows for jump pack with forward thrust when moving fowards. Lots quicker moving about instead of running everywhere
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Wow. Fantastic!
@pygmyllama
5 ай бұрын
Oh s there a way to capitalize on this movement on console? Thank you.
@craigg4925
5 ай бұрын
Yes, I found the same thing, there is no flag, there just a ship, if you build a high point on your ship and stand up there you sometimes see where a ship should be. I'm getting good at it.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Bingo. I'm sure I've landed on planets, looked around before even leaving the ship and missing some. Now I get out and run around more, which is obviously what I needed, more virtual space exercise. Thanks for watching!
@craigg4925
5 ай бұрын
@@kineer I did put a ticket in on this, and I think they are looking into it, it may have not been something intended to come out that way. you should put in a ticket. I was asked to upload a game save. so they are looking.
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
THANK YOU!!! I spent most of yesterday trying to kill a ship in space and getting blown to smithereens. I didn't quit because I did manage to finally take one ship, but after I made it my home ship, it was too busted to catch my Starborn Guardian before it flew off. The new ship's fuel tanks were so small that I couldn't fly back to a technician. I solved this by finding a Civilian Outpost and swapping ships there. I will go try your new technique and hope I find anything that has a "III" at the end. 🤞 Edit -> Oh god, I just went to log on, and there's a new update - no nononono I don't wanna push the button
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
This was supposed to be all that was in the patch, but I'll admit I was concerned when I saw it. Looks like you got a ship! (comment later) Thanks for watching. ✅ Players can once again capture characters in action poses in photo mode ✅ Addressed an issue that could cause characters to become stuck repeating a line of dialogue twitter.com/BethesdaStudios/status/1772655959740985761
@tonepilot
5 ай бұрын
Here’s how to steal a ship in space without your main ship running away: Stealing Ships • Disable and board the ship you want. Clear it out and sit in the pilot seat. • Undock, then re-dock with your current home ship. • While docked with your current home ship, go to the ship menu (H by default) and make the ship you're stealing the home ship. Because you're re-docked, they won't separate and your old ship can't fly away. • Board your old ship and make your way to the cockpit. Sit down, then open the ship menu (H) and make your old ship your home ship again. The new ship you wanted to capture will now grav jump away into your ship storage.
@skyriminspace
5 ай бұрын
@@tonepiloteven simpler: sit in the pilot's seat of the ship you are boarding, enter ship menu & make home ship, your previous ship will undock automatically, locate the blue arrow on your target reticle & turn to face it, dock, board, sit in pilot's seat, enter ship menu & make home ship.
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
@@skyriminspace , you have to be quick, really quick, or it will disappear while you're messing around with the target.
@skyriminspace
5 ай бұрын
@@jodele5878 in my experience the original ship will taxi slowly for some distance before grav jumping away. The big problem is that the ship you just commandeered probably has no engines. But i find i can usually rotate in place & catch my original ship before it's even gone out of docking range (500m).
@Nzchimeran
5 ай бұрын
Devs need to fix this bug asap. It just ruins the game for me. Listening for the sonic boom, chasing landing ships was so cool, now it just sucks I don't even play. The way it works now is just buggy and kills immersion for me. Guardian ship sucks, awful interior, can't be modified, Starborn don't drop loot , can't board ships without exploiting amp.... The whole Star born part feels unfinished, rushed by Devs You have a nice work around, but the way it was before was better
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I work with what I have available. I do believe we've seen some nice redemption arcs in the gaming industry over time, oddly enough in space games too. So, hopefully it'll click in for you sometime. Thanks for checking out the video.
@RichardBejtlich
5 ай бұрын
9:45 it’s so crazy that you scan the horizon, see nothing, walk towards the nothing, and within 250 meters a ship just appears. BGS definitely changed something and I’m wondering if it will survive another round of patches. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I agree and don't believe that's intentional on their part. I did log into a different (pre-NG+) character last night and immediately saw both a Ship Landing Site and Claymore III at 750m. Most of the time, the SLSs are hard to see at a distance and the ships 'magically' appear under 300m while on foot. Something is definitely not working as it should.
@PatJWilliams
5 ай бұрын
You also can acquire The Datura early in the Ryujin questline
@mikegardner1589
5 ай бұрын
I have done the Ryujin quest line twice and did not get that ship. How do you get it?
@mknewlan67
5 ай бұрын
@@mikegardner1589same
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
There are several ways to finish the quest Top Secrets, not all lead to getting the ship. I looked at an earlier save and have it in inventory, but didn't end up doing much with it. Still, it's essentially a free ship in a major quest line so it could be useful especially if you jump into Ryujin early.
@joshhall5172
5 ай бұрын
I don't think the ship popping in is deliberate, I still get actual landings from time to time. Last week I noticed the same thing as you with large gaps in the pois around you having a higher chance of ship landings but what I also noticed is the ship actually spawning was super distance related. Like within a couple hundred meters and it's consistent between reloads. So say you hit a ridge then hear the boom, on reload it will always be at that same ridge the ship either lands or pops in.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I can't imagine they wanted to completely dry things up, but then again the previous situation where you just stepped out of your ship on a barren planet and suddenly you had company was probably too much. I'm confident they will 'dial this in' over time and find the right balance and eliminate these visual issues (invisible ships at a distance).
@SifiFan
5 ай бұрын
Will definitely try it out. I suspect this change may be in preparation for shattered space somehow or other future change. Our maybe just to get people exploring.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Getting people out exploring more does make sense to me too. Just stepping outside your ship was a little counterproductive. At least now I get more 'virtual moon exercise.' Thanks for watching!
@neognosis2012
5 ай бұрын
7:45 Copernicus IV has the same 100:1 time dilation and has the benefit of no need for Habitation rank investment if you want to put a bed down. Ship landing sites seem to have a 600-800 hr or so respawn cooldown, so only 8 hrs is needed. This also respawns vendors and ship crew npcs, as well as fills outpost containers, so take advantage of each sleep cycle.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
That is a great tip. Thanks for sharing it.
@user-fy9gd3ny6z
5 ай бұрын
i wish they would just fix the dam issue it made the game more fun now you got to bend over backwards to get a ship
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
It does feel like we're dancing around quite a bit, eh?
@DavidHolden15911855
4 ай бұрын
I've watched this video a few times now, and so far I've not found any ships yet. I wonder what I am doing wrong
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
I usually ask people which specific moons they are trying, NG+ iteration, character level. However, I have used this technique with a character at low as level 14 and it works (for far less powerful ships). I had to go to a level 30 moon (craters, no atmo, He-3, etc.), but once I found Ship Landing Sites, I was filling up the ship-garage. Had to go to Jemison and do a quick powerlevel of Piloting as I picked up a Class C (not one with a III designation, but a Crimson Fleet Wight base model).
@DavidHolden15911855
4 ай бұрын
@@kineer I'm on my NG+1 (3rd Universe) and I am over level 100. I actually tried the same moons as you did and which systems you suggested. I wasn't able to locate any area's that looked like a landing pad or any landed ships either after walking around for quite a while
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
I think you're on the right track, no issues people have cited as potential barriers. I went back out to Archimedes VI-A this morning and they started dropping again right inside the 250m mark. I think my next step will be a non-NG+ version of the ship hunting video with a low level character. Primarily as a way to eliminate more variables.
@DavidHolden15911855
4 ай бұрын
@@kineer Finally got it to work once, I can't wait for the new update to fix this issue
@TazGaming141
4 ай бұрын
The sonic boom part isnt working for me but the ship landing sight is....only spawning endeavors tho
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
I found that sonic boom worked 80% of the time in the beta. That is, if I landed on a new moon, saved and then exited my ship I could often get the pre-March boom. If I kept restoring, sometimes there would be no boom. Very rough observation was 2/10 times. On other planets I would get out and get no boom at all. In those cases, I would fall back to hunting for ship landing sites. It seems we will end up with a mix of all the approaches.
@Adiddy927
5 ай бұрын
What system and planet is that with the ocean?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Nesoi, Olympus.
@Adiddy927
5 ай бұрын
Thanks
@vr0k3n
5 ай бұрын
how can you see the item type on the left when looting a body? is that a mod or something?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I use four mods: StarUI HUD, StarUI Inventory, StarUI Workbench, and Undelayed Menus.
@scottbutler6377
5 ай бұрын
Thank you i will be trying this later .
@scottbutler6377
5 ай бұрын
Do you know if you have to be Star born for this to work ?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I tested this technique for getting ships using one of my pre-NG+ characters and it worked. He's Lvl 102, never gone through the Unity and I flew out to Archimedes and found Ship Landing Spots, slept on a long dilation planet and came back. Worked for me.
@nywolf9798
5 ай бұрын
I've also have been getting ship security lol, I wish it was an actual feature
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I just hope they aren't taking up crew space! :) Otherwise they are cool.
@Ironshultz
4 ай бұрын
All I’m getting to spawn are starborn ships, I’m doing exactly what you’re saying, found one landing site with no ship.. but every other time I hear the sonic boom it’s just a starborn ship..
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
Unless you're on PC and running the beta, I'd wait another few days for the May Update. Over the weekend, I've re-tested the technique in this video and the old approach in the current beta and both still work fine. Spawned 50+ ships in, filled the garage again using a level 12 character. Walked away from the process with 3 class C ships (Crimson Fleet Wight, Claymore, UC Autobahn) and my pick of enemy Class B and A.
@jimmills9526
5 ай бұрын
Well, I don’t want to make the first crossover yet, I have not had a landed ship open in 6-7 months. Since the patch, no ships land. I sometimes see a ship landing site that appears empty but then a ship takes off later. If I walk into the landing area, the scanner names a ship and type but none are there, even if I return. Basically, I’m about fed up with Starfield but will keep playing a bit longer
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I had one save (past level 100) that had bugs I couldn't shake. Jumping through the Unity resolved them all. As BGS has patched bugs, they don't occur again (but sometimes a new one pops up). My other character (also past 100) is happily sitting in his pre-NG+ game. It's safe to say I had learned to avoid triggering certain bugs. Like anyone else, I read what I can find and a lot of that turns out to be other players speculating on what's broken (true or not) and how to avoid it. Best of luck!
@danielboeckner6680
5 ай бұрын
What if you are not doing ng+ doses it still work ,at level 90 but not doing the main storyline
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
It works. I have a level 103 character that is pre-NG+. I flew him out to Archimedes I-A and landed in a few locations, then went looking for Ship Landing Sites using the same approach (running into the areas where nothing seems to be). I found one and the first time I approached it, a Starborn Guardian landed and four Starborn came out. I then flew to Venus, did the 'long sleep' and and made a Quicksave. Next I flew straight back to the exact landing spot, ran over to the Ship Landing Site (which was now on my scanner) and heard the sonic boom and a new ship landed. I repeated this 4 or 5 times and each time a new ship arrived. All the ships I saw were smaller ships or Starborn ships though. I didn't get a Class C. TL;DR: From my testing, yes it works.
@jameskelly4494
5 ай бұрын
Have to give this a try tonight. Presently on NG12 and getting ready to go NG13. Absolutely terrible space combat for me in the Guardian. I think I was 1 out of 10 for successful boarding. Always the first thing I would do is hit a high level planet to steal ships for sale and to use. Once this was removed seriously considered putting the game down over this. Will give this a shot tonight.
@jameskelly4494
5 ай бұрын
Just wanted to add that I tried this last night on Hawking 1A. Out of three landing zones it did work on one of them. After the first landing I double checked and rescanned the area for the second area, just kept reloading the save, and no landing zone was in sight. It was located in between POI"s and a short distance from where I landed. I reloaded the save 10 times and only once had a ship that was already landed and it was a Sunsail. All of the Class C ships were Claymore 3's. Other landings were Class A and B. So it will work, but what still infuriates me on this is the silence coming out of Bethesda. Was this the intent or an unforseen consequence of moving POI's closer. Also are they bringing ship landings back. Who knows. Some people commenting have said this was a bug fix, that too many ships were landing and this fixed the problem. Completely disagree. This was a feature in the game from Day 1. Also I have had many landings where no ships spawned at all. Out of the landings most of the ships for me are Class A or B, not worth the time or effort to hijack. I am on NG12 and the only Class C ships that have landed for me are Vista 3 (both Freestar and UC, Claymore 3, Wight 3 and Hyena version and on Rare occasions a Prophecy 3. I am probably going to try NG13 and see how it goes, but if no change to the landing zones are coming than I will probably put it down until the DLC. Running around for hours on Neon or even the Keys to sell weapons and get enough credits to purchase and equip a decent Class C ship to replace the crappy Guardian does not sound like fun. Security NPC's on a ship are another glitch that started after another patch. The biggest issue for me was having anywhere from 1 to 15 on pirated ships. Any hijacked of a UC or Freestar ship in space results a huge bounty as long as security is on your ship. The only way for me to get rid of them was too land on a planet with a Civilian Outpost that had a Bounty Clearance terminal. Shoot all present and pay the bounty. Tried it in space when I had multiple security on board and as soon as the first one was shot ships would appear around me and start blasting away.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
>...the only Class C ships that have landed for me are Vista 3 (both Freestar and UC, Claymore 3, Wight 3 and Hyena version and on Rare occasions a Prophecy 3 This is consistent with what I find. These are all solid ships for Starborn NG+ purposes and consistent with what I've seen BGS say in bug reports about "enemy ship landings." Also consistent with the idea that enemy ships are most likely to land on remote moons for fuel (vs. UC/Freestar). I still see UC/Freestar ships land, but at much lower rates and they aren't take-over targets in the same way for me. If you want a Galbank transport or something specific from the Freestar/UC lines you will likely have to hunt them in space. That said, it will be easier if you start with a capable class C compared to bouncing around in a Starborn Guardian. That was the original purpose of the video in my series (NG+ Starborn moving through NG+). I'm not farming ships to make money or even to create a collection. I just needed to get out of the Guardian and into something useful.
@jameskelly4494
5 ай бұрын
@@kineer Just started NG13 and was doing a bounty in Decoban system Level 60. Ship landing sites everywhere. Wound up with 3 Claymore 3’s, a UC Vista 3 and a Wight 3. Two of them were already landed and appeared as I got closer.
@Jesco2535
5 ай бұрын
I found a Spacer Hyena iii exactly how you described. Don’t know if related to the patch but encountered a major bug after deleting the ship entirely and building a whole new ship with all the best parts in its place (spent like 300k credits). The ship doesn’t load at times, as in, everything else loads except the ship. This requires for a previous save point to be loaded. Worth noting that when the original ship was deleted/rebuilt, it was never assigned as the home ship (registered, yes) and the built took place at several ship yards, ultimately completed at one of my outposts. The ship turned out pretty sick but unfortunately cannot be used so I’m likely gonna have to delete it. Unless someone can shed some light on this and offer insight on fixing this broken ship.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
You're not alone mentioning bugs like that. I spent 1M credits on a rebuild once (pre-NG+) and half of it kept disappearing at various sites. It was also too big to fit the landing pad on Gagarin. The Red Mile also creates some strange bugs. Save first, but land there, go inside and change home ships. Then fast travel to the 'ship marker' on your map, a small triangle. That one always puts me in a partial version of the ship I swapped out of. Save often, save early, save again, no really, maybe once more. I will note that I also use a separate backup program on Windows that copies my entire save directory every day to a new location on a different drive. I don't know what Xbox players can do.
@luiskapel3020
5 ай бұрын
Great catch on the method to find ships post patch! I am assuming you are looking for Class C ships, which is why you didn't do the Mantis quest.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
You're right, I'm primarily hunting a single Class C ship for an NG+ round. I need to prep for the Masada fight and maybe the SysDef/Crimson Fleet fight. When I went through the original game, I absolutely grabbed the Mantis ship and flew it for a long time. I will probably do a Mantis Secret Base video before going to NG+6 just because it's such a fun place though. Everyone seems to love it.
@waynecribb6784
5 ай бұрын
I was using an upgraded Razorleaf for most of my NG runs. The last 2 I was using a Hyena 1 & 2. I'll be looking at this method for NG 10 as this might be the only ship I really need and I don't plan on moving past that.
@KaosandRiot
3 ай бұрын
All I get is the starborn showing up EVERY WHERE, when I’m trying to ship farm. Those and small ecliptic and crimson fighters. Nothing worth spending time to retrofit or sell I saw if you started the main story line and the starborn make their appearance, it screws with spawning I’m level 99 and thinking of burning this 3rd play through and starting the next and just avoiding the main quest till the end
@kineer
3 ай бұрын
I think you may be onto something there. Ship farming on low level characters (before engaging Starborn) results in zero Starborn. My level 103 save (pre-NG+) still gets them at ship sites. This is presumably because they are chasing the artifacts still and I'm not going through the Unity on that save. I will note that I thoroughly enjoy spawning an Alternate Universe where Constellation (and the Main Quest) aren't present. When I do jump back to a 'normal' saved character and am faced with all the chatter of Constellation crew, it's a bit surprising. In these NG+ Alternates, even when I'm still chasing artifacts, I don't seem to run into many Starborn ships.
@connorkennedy7332
4 ай бұрын
Hey man great vid helping me out big time in ng+10 just what planet were you on when you got vista 3 to spawn ?? Im lvl 78 so they should be spawning for me. Tia
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
I was just running in Archimedes, Serpentis and the level 75 systems. I've seen maybe 1-2 Vistas spawn in 100+ tests. Oddly enough found one on Kreet one time too.
@connorkennedy7332
4 ай бұрын
@@kineer I’ve been doing it for about a day on archimedes Iv-a and have only gotten claymore II and a plethora of other ships to spawn no claymore III. Rng has no interest in me atm
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
I'm curious what level are you? NG+ or not?
@s.d.howarth8268
5 ай бұрын
Interesting video. I’ve just started my first NG+, and have to admit the ship aspect was beginning to irritate. One question, if you place an outpost on the first moon landing site as an option for a later stop, will that effect the spawn site/rate, if still using the Venus reset? Cheers, very useful info.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I just posted an update to that approach based on suggestions from other subscribers/viewers on the first video. They had several ideas that made it faster including putting a save on the same planet. I tend to take a cautious line through a new technique like this so you might be onto something that works very well. I just didn't test it.
@philjones4995
5 ай бұрын
Does this need to be done from a Guardian ship? Or any?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I use the Guardian to demonstrate that a New Game Plus player with no other ships could use the approach. That said, the benefit of using it is the jump range at 30LY. As long as you have a ship capable of that range, you can use others. Later testing (second video on the subject) showed the same strategy worked on Serpentis so that might be easier to reach.
@Arkangel88Mr
5 ай бұрын
Maybe maxing out scanner skill will make a difference?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I'm 4/4 on Scanner and Survey so I can't say how much it helps.
@SteveWray
Ай бұрын
I just started a NG+ and had used this method successfully on the initial game. Now that I'm in NG+ and go to the same moons, I get no POI's apart from 'geographical features' and 'covered craters', no artificial POI's yet in about 20 landings on the very moons you are looking at. Weird. And no landings.
@kineer
Ай бұрын
I do think it has to be a moon with human POIs. I've seen similar results if it's a truly barren planet with nothing but natural POIs. Sometimes I have to just keep jumping to different moons on different games, but I'm still finding Ship Landing Sites. The main difference these days is we also get the 'boom' of a landing ship again. There was a period where that disappeared from the game and you had to hunt SLSs exclusively. Just keep hopping around would be my approach.
@SteveWray
Ай бұрын
@@kineer So sometimes, in different games, the same moon might not have human POI's?
@kineer
Ай бұрын
Sorry, didn't mean to say it that way. I've not really tracked planets for that, but have noticed what I'd call a "ship table" changes. It's really more a general recognition that something is changing so I just widen the search.
@SteveWray
Ай бұрын
@@kineer what level do you have to be for the decent ships to kick in? I'm level 60 and on moons around Serpentis just getting extremely crappy A class ships.
@kineer
29 күн бұрын
I just picked up a Crimson Fleet Wight (I / Class C) last night on my level 26 character (see my most recent LiveStream) on Porrima I-A. I will note that because of where I am in the overall main quest line I got a LOT of Starborn Guardians. I wonder that a decent ship for that level. At your level, I would expect to get top ships across the entire galaxy. Still I tend to go all the way to the right and try moons at the highest levels.
@brkooduh66
5 ай бұрын
If the ship is still on the ground, you can claim it, register, then leave back to your ship. Your newly captured ship will fly itself to the garage.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Great tip. I might feel compelled to "escape with my stolen ship" quickly (and unnecessarily). I also tend to leave the ground troops alone but often think "I could go back outside and mop up the area." Funny how many times I return to the same spot later and fight the leftovers.
@danmitchell1580
5 ай бұрын
Any idea if this is the same for XB?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I tend to watch the Xbox players comments for clarifications, but I have no reason to believe this is not a core mechanic in the game without any deliberate limitations on consoles. It is not based on any mod or console commands (PC only at the moment). That said, we are all essentially looking from the outside at a black box of code. We can try something, check the results and draw conclusions. In most cases, tips like these are observations of correlation, i.e. when I do "X" it looks like "Y" occurs. We never know if there's an unseen factor, "Z", happening that we've just not observed.
@mikegardner1589
5 ай бұрын
I did not see a list of the mods you are using.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Mainly StarUI (HUD, Workbench, and one other). I think I might have something that is supposed to make menus open faster but honestly can't tell if it does anything.
@UncleHarlow
5 ай бұрын
I did this exactly like you said on the same planet and I just get an enemy starboard guardian ship come down that I can’t steal every time
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Can I ask what level you are, which moons? NG+? When I tested with a pre NG+ character I got Starborn Guardians in LSLs. Never see them on NG+.
@kytampe3536
4 ай бұрын
@@kineer Same here, Only starborn guardian ships. I tried about 20-30 times on different moons. All the different Schroedinger moons, all the different Enlil moons, plus some more. Haven't been to any higher lvl moon than 65 though. I'm lvl 63 and on my first NG+.
@kytampe3536
4 ай бұрын
Update: Got so irritated, I slept for 48 hours on Venus and then went to Celebrai (lvl70). And guess what my first, second, third and tenth ship was? A starborn guardian lvl IV. I'll just go and weep a little where noone can see me.
@JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re
5 ай бұрын
Since my new new-game + ships haven't spawned in. I get a marker on the planet about a landing site but there are no ships there.
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
Soon we should all (Xbox included) be back to the previous approach where we here the Sonic boom and ships land. In the current Beta they seem to be falling like rain.
@FP194
5 ай бұрын
There are no ships landing on planets currently in game
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
Hopefully resolved for you on May 15th.
@jimmills9526
5 ай бұрын
Just started playing for the evening, guess what - UPDATE! Wonder what’s screwed up now. I have an xBox. I’m not sure what platform all of you out there are using.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I'm on PC so at times I have to sit back and watch my Xbox friends experience some odd things. Maybe other viewers will have ideas. I hope the game smooths out for you and you get your money's worth!
@jimmills9526
5 ай бұрын
@@kineer Well, I did finally find a landed ship and what do you know, it was open. Perhaps it was that update I just talked about - here's crossing my fingers.
@davidwestmoreland6345
5 ай бұрын
chased down 30 landed ships, but ramps are closed.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
The ramp thing is very strange and sounds like old code (or an old bug not resolved by going through Unity - that was my experience). I recommend hitting the Bethesda discord and searching there for fixes. Out of curiosity, are you PC/xbox? NG+ or pre-NG+. What level. Which moons did you you try? I successfully tested this with characters at NG+5 (level 130), pre-NG+ (level 103), pre-NG+ (level 5), and pre-NG+ (level 14). This strategy is targeted primarily at NG+ players, but worked in all except the level 5 character. I tested that on Androphon and nothing spawned. I was surprised that the level 14 character worked and he quickly found a class C Wight. There are many dependencies so if it doesn't work for you, just have to fall back to other options.
@tonepilot
5 ай бұрын
Goid tips but I hope Bethesda fixes this. I am getting pretty good capturing ships in space though.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I'm going to put more points in related skills (I've been slacking there and realying on crew). Can't do that as much for NG+, especially the alternative universes. Maybe someday will have the space combat chops to just grab what I want. Thanks for checking out the video.
@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo
5 ай бұрын
Does plopping a scan booster in outpost help?
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Interesting question (I'd like to see other people's results). The Ship Landing Sites (SLS) seem to operate like a special POI. Various skills (and that module) are supposed to extend the range of a scanner and I've read some people saying it helped them 'see' POIs at greater distance, but the SLSs pop at a very specific and close range. Invisible/absent one moment than visible when you get close. The SLSs seem to require that you walk up on them too. Other POIs can be detected at 1000 meters. I'm thinking of distance "Natural" POIs.
@LanceEdmunds
5 ай бұрын
I stole a great ship and it was glitch as F. It disappeared when I landed, had to sell it.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Hope you get a better one next time. I had very strange issues with ships I took to the Red Mile and swapped. The ship had half a shell when I came back to it.
@allymolly5501
5 ай бұрын
Not only are ships not landing, the ONE ship I found that was landed is still closed with no landing bay open, so the patch has done nothing of real interest for me.
@nywolf9798
5 ай бұрын
Their was a small patch today, and I've gotten a few ship landing and a few ships already landed. I've gotten the most on Hugens. I also had none till today.
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
Give it another go - I haven't seen any ships landing since the Steam Beta, but I just went for a walk on Hawkin 5-a and came back with a Claymore III.
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
It looks like the next patch will resolve this by [essentially] going back.
@oscargarciablesa1462
5 ай бұрын
Yo tambien no encuentro naves aterrizando pero devo amitir en ng no suelo buscarlas tengo un diseño basico con lo que me dan aciendo misiones vanguardia y robando la armeria del pozo puedo armarme y saltar asta sepentis pillar cuatro naves y ya esta , esto seria un pobrema en nueva partida por dudo pueda robar como lo ago ahora mi crase solona mk5 con 200000 tengo suficiente es suficiente potente y rapida para vencer combates o por modo normal o por atacar y salir corriendo venditos nova 315 .
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
Puedes encontrarlos ahora en NG+ pero necesitas explorar más que antes. También es interesante si este cambio es intencionado :) Busque el espacio más grande entre los puntos de interés y siga buscando 2 km antes de darse por vencido. De 5 intentos encontré 3 barcos, parecen mágicos.
@oscargarciablesa1462
5 ай бұрын
@@jodele5878 yo estoy recolectando los poderes es una cosa muy pesada la verdad para saltar a mi 3 partida pero desde actualización en más de 12 mundos nada , pero la verdad nunca perdía tiempo en cazarlos pase mi primera partida con nivel 250 los naves lo tengo chupado la verdad . Aciendo lo vanguardia un par cosas más no tienes ir por hay pillando naves por los planetas si necesitas muchas pasta te bas serpentis hay aprovechar truquito de vender sigue aún puedes pillar 90000 sin contar lo que desplumas a la tripulación un negocio redondo .
@oscargarciablesa1462
5 ай бұрын
@@jodele5878 pues si es intencionado creo es una gran equivocación la verdad para eso tendría a ver algo que exploral hay 6 u 8 instalaciones se repiten asta saciedad los eventos inesperados son muy muy muy raros este peor fallout Ender scroll en estos tenías menos mundos pero más miga .
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
@@oscargarciablesa1462 Es extraño que no funcione desde el último patch, pero solo es un problema si eres malo en las peleas espaciales como yo, mis pulgares son demasiado pesados :P Disfruta de todos modos
@oscargarciablesa1462
5 ай бұрын
@@jodele5878 sin ofender móntate una nave para mancos es lo que ago yo tengo actualmente 14 bocas fuego 4 son torretas pero si quiero una para atrapar naves pongo 6 cañones partículas vanguardia 4 armas electromagnéticas la otra batería es opcional yo suelo llevar pbo 100 torres la desatibo cuando queda una sola nave une a eso escudos vanguardia y motores clase a nova 315 o los de la star eagle quedate en 1000 de masa serás imbatible. Es divertida mi anterior monstruo tenía 12 torres todo clase c pero era aburrida .
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
Holly poo!! I got it! 😁😆🙃😚😚😚😚
@jodele5878
5 ай бұрын
My new ship is so pretty now, very comfy and absolutely lethal - Cheers tyvm!
@CIAG4PNP
5 ай бұрын
I find it quicker to make my own ship 😂
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
If I'm going to stick around in a universe (NG+ or pre-NG+) I love building ships from ground up. Last project was close to 1M credits. This video was more of a replacement for one part of my NG+ series that broke after the last patch. In that series, I am mostly "just passing through" to get Star Powers upgraded. So I start with the Starborn Guardian ship, no cash, and so on. I have this technique down to well under 30 minutes (closer to 15 if I'm lucky) and I walk away with a Claymore III that'll serve my purposes through a short NG+. It coincidentally turned out to have a broader appeal for people that want to farm ships so I did highlight how to repeat it.
@andreasplosky8516
5 ай бұрын
I am not playing the game with these bugs.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
I'm curious, is it a specific bug or just the general "these damn bugs" bugs? I can relate on both counts. Unity helped with many. Some I live with. This is the official site for dealing with bugs. Another viewer here (in another comment) just heard back from them on one they reported. Very fast turn around. discord.gg/bethesdastudios
@ryanwalker7438
5 ай бұрын
I keep getting starborn spawn
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
Are you in an NG+ game. When I tested this with my pre-NG+ character he got a lot of Starborn Guardian landings. On my NG+5 save, I see none. Might by system and/or level too.
@ryanwalker7438
5 ай бұрын
@@kineer yea ng +11 I got what I wanted in the end though thank you ☺️
@danielwilliams1025
4 ай бұрын
Dont even play Starfield anymore, they nerfed the shit out of finding ships,, NO MANS SKY game is WAAAAAAY BETTER.
@kineer
4 ай бұрын
This month I'll probably pass my 1300+ NMS hours with Starfield. I have a full farming and production empire built, hit the money cap. Maybe ironic, but the many hours I spent farming ships in NMS was excellent conditioning for what I'm comfortable with in Starfield. I have all the ships I could want in Starfield from my approach here. I like NMS and fired it up after the last update. I think the new stations looks pretty cool. It doesn't have the same draw for me at this point, but I might do a fresh game in the future.
@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo
5 ай бұрын
Man i really dont like the aesthetics of star ui mod.
@kineer
5 ай бұрын
It's a bit wonky and can overlap models you're viewing but solves a specific issue for me so I live with it.
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