Dilithium is used to stabilize the matter/anti-matter reaction inside a warp core. Warp cores are really mislabeled and where your confusion stems from. The warp core is really just a massive generator, powering the engines but not part of them. Think of it in modern terms: if you pulled the nuclear reactor out of an aircraft carrier, you could replace it with an older steam engine and still have the ship move. It's the propellers, or in trek's case the warp nacelles, that ultimately move the ship and not the power source.
@builder396
5 жыл бұрын
Thatd be a bloody slow ship then. Better add some hamster wheels!
@CaptainNexarc
5 жыл бұрын
To add to this, in my opinion shuttlecraft are relatively small and lightweight so fusion reactors are enough to get to low warp speeds for basic travel. Only a matter-antimatter reaction (or artificial singularity for ships like Romulan Warbirds) can energize the coils enough to propel a large capital ship unless you can refine the process further. Evidence: the Krenim Weapon Ship was stated by Seven to be too massive to reach anything faster than Warp 6 while a stronger (if unethical) fuel source propelled the USS Equinox faster than originally designed. If you wished to remember "Threshold"; a more stable dilithium crystal helped get a shuttle's warp engine to achieve Warp 10+.
@Talashaoriginal
5 жыл бұрын
actually there was once a Star Trek Series planedd about an Enterprise wich just uses Fusionreactors, thank to this weak powersource this Enterprise would need Minutes to build up a warp field. memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(XCV_330)
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Warp core, power transfer conduits, electro plasma conduits, intercoolers, warp coils and the plasma grille. All work together, with power conveyed to the coils, possibly to create a 'scalar' type field.
@Teiichi42
5 жыл бұрын
That is my understanding of how things work at the same time the plasma is used to sync the warp fields of the coils together if they aren't perfectly in sync they would interfere and collapse damaging the ship which is the reason you cant just add another M/AM reactor to increase the power of the ship at least as far as speed is concerned.
@Sovereign506
5 жыл бұрын
The Warp core is a POWER GENERATOR and not the FTL-System. It only generates the power to achieve warp speed. The warp-bubble is created trough the warp-coils in the neccels. So you don't need a warp core to achieve warp speed. The romulans are using micro singularities to create the power for their warp drive. Lore get your lore right.
@absalomdraconis
5 жыл бұрын
I dispute your terminology. Rather than not needing a warp core, I think it should be considered a matter of it being possible to power warp cores with power sources other than M/Am. So M/Am, Singularity, Fusion, and probably even Battery warp cores should be possible.
@HitodamaKyrie
5 жыл бұрын
It's semantics really. Warp core is a power source but also an engine, in the sense that it is a required component to achieve warp speeds. How the warp core works isn't that important. So, Warp core = power generator at the heart of a warp drive system. Federation starships almost always use matter/antimatter annihilation reactors as their primary warp core.
@Patchuchan
5 жыл бұрын
There also was a way to rig a warp generator with things on board a starship if the warp core ever had to be ejected though this would only get you to warp 2 but it's better than nothing.
@h.plovecat4307
5 жыл бұрын
So the WARP core has nothing to do with WARP? kay
@siriusleeblueberry5703
5 жыл бұрын
I thought the deflector was also neccesary for FTL travel, and general travel due to its ability to ''deflect'' matter, imagine a vessel traveling FTL Speeds without a deflector, it would be dead in the water, DEPENDANT on the fictional physics theories around the properties of faster than light travel.
@venomgeekmedia9886
5 жыл бұрын
trekyards is right. warp fields are created by running super-heated plasma through warp coils, which for some reason creates a warp field. much like modern nuclear reactors a warp reactor is used in heating the plasma. 1:25 those red tubes on either side of the core a plasma conduits, which supplies the plasma to be super-heated by the reactor
@Trekyardswebseries
5 жыл бұрын
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@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Possibly it creates a superconducting effect, like with Cooper pairs, but even bigger, and then 'tunnel into' subspace.
@h3llrazah420
5 жыл бұрын
@@Trekyardswebseries you should stream this so you can get some super chats😉🤣
@dennislaur2515
5 жыл бұрын
The plasma isn't super heated, rather it is charged with the energy from the matter/anti-matter reaction. The red tubes that come off the reactor run aft and take the charged plasma to the nacelles and the ships power distribution network.
@weldonwin
5 жыл бұрын
We also know there are other ways of generating a warp field, since Romulan Warbirds don't have a standard warp core, instead using a forced singularity for power, since apparently the Romulan admiralty felt that having a matter/antimatter reactor aboard their ships wasn't scary enough and decided having a black hole on their ship would properly scare the sh*t out of their engineers
@JosephWiess
5 жыл бұрын
All it requires is 1.21 gw and a flux capacitor..........
@capnahayes
5 жыл бұрын
So all you're gonna need for power is small amount of plutonium, a bolt of Lightning, or Mr Fusion... you wouldn't necessarily need Antimatter...
@StephenGillie
4 жыл бұрын
@@capnahayes Isn't Mr Fusion a fusion reactor - like the ones these shuttles have? Haha :D
@darthbloodborn
11 ай бұрын
Great scott😊
@ptonpc
5 жыл бұрын
Trek Yards are correct. You are wrong. The warp nacelles do the warp bit. So as long as you have enough juice, you can get warp.
@sebwilkins
5 жыл бұрын
That's right, I don't think lore knows trek back to back like most of us do he frequently makes these kinds of mistakes.
@ptonpc
5 жыл бұрын
Even just a little research on his part would have done.
@CrossRoadsOfTime
4 жыл бұрын
@Kagan Roy well the show is about consistent this "fake science" is so when he says there's an inconsistency and there really isn't that's not a just what ever. least to those of us who care about such things. We all know Star Trek is Science-fiction. and that the fiction part also includes much of the "Science" the various gadgets are that we couldn't really build today but when Lore claims their can't be an in-universe way for it to work And yet there is. that's what everyone is upset about not that there's no real science here.
@robertkalinic335
5 жыл бұрын
You said shuttle should not warp!!!??? PLASMA+PSEUDOSCIENCE BINGO BANGO ADD GLOWING NACELLES... There is nothing that federation engineers cant do!
@campbria4225
5 жыл бұрын
Teach me about shuttlepods
@TheAsvarduilProject
5 жыл бұрын
Federation engineers are literally mages. They just can't bring their pointy hats to work.
@Marcus51090
5 жыл бұрын
They can turn rocks into replicators
@Jajo3998
5 жыл бұрын
There is this Fanfic comment selection on the internet about how the Federation are basically technophiles who don't even understand what they do. And basicaly this is now my head cannon as it's almost laughably how frequent the computer develops ai or half the senior staff gets teleported to a parallel universe and so on.
@thebighurt2495
5 жыл бұрын
@@TheAsvarduilProject Now I'm just imagining Starfleet Engineers as a bunch of Discworld Wizards that lost their sense of humors and embraced Atheism.
@CaptainGeronimo
5 жыл бұрын
Warps core produces high energy plasma that feeds int warp nacelles. Plasma then powers up warp coiled that, when energized, emit sub-space fields that create ripple in it, ""ship is holding the same place while the space around it is moving. That's why ships in warp has that stretched effect.. As far as I know :) If that is the case, I guess any kind of power source could power up warp coils and create warp bubble
@The_Lucent_Archangel
5 жыл бұрын
Hell, the Romulans use a pet black hole.
@WillRobinson
5 жыл бұрын
I dimly remember some reference to the Borg using exotic matter of some kind to power everything.
@keirfarnum6811
3 жыл бұрын
A couple of car batteries ought to do it!
@keirfarnum6811
3 жыл бұрын
@@The_Lucent_Archangel And we shall call him Fluffy; Fluffy the pet black hole! I’m gonna teach Fluffy to roll over, sit, and play dead. Good black hole! Just feed him a few stars and he’ll do anything you want.
@edchambers8383
5 жыл бұрын
it's been a long time since I watched it but in season 1 of DS9 (I think it was episode Q-Less) they created a warp field around the station using the fusion reactors. It didn't go to warp for obvious reasons but the warp field was there and they used it to move the station. I apologize if I got the episode name wrong. Great video as always.
@mattheww2797
5 жыл бұрын
The way warp drive works is that the bubble is created by the nacelle and the driver coils, these are energized by a plasma stream, that a fusion reactor could create, a matter/ anti matter reaction is more energetic for larger ships. The Enterprise D had subspace driver coils inside the the impulse engines, at least per the technical manual which is mostly considered canon, to overcome its great mass by creating a weak warp bubble to aid impulse acceleration
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Well, the TNG manual came close. I think Voyager may have ignored parts later.
@CubanWriter
5 жыл бұрын
Plasma run through warp coils makes the warp field. Plasma can come from multiple sources mArc is just a good power source to generate the plasma. Dilithium allows matter and antimatter to interact without requiring even more complex reactor chamber designs.
@peccatumDei
5 жыл бұрын
That's how I see it. The dilithium crystals have to be carefully aligned, so that the crystal structure creates paths that guarantee the matter and antimatter streams will meet and annihilate each other. Even a few atoms of antimatter impacting the reactor housing would have devastating consequences.
@jeffburrell7648
5 жыл бұрын
Lore, The Star Fleet Technical Manuals for TOS and STNG and are pretty clear on generating warp fields and the use of dilithium. All it takes to generate a warp field is a plasma to be shot down the center of the warp coils. Let's not get into the whole peristaltic subspace field thing here. Where that plasma originates is up to the user. Your statement about warp cores being necessary only to generate the high energy for high warp factors is on the money and low warp capable ships do not need one. The small shuttles might be able to do just fine with a fusion reactor to produce the plasma. How Cochrane generated the plasma for the Phoenix was never explained, but he did it by tech the tech tech. As to dilithium, the old references clearly state that early Earth warp capable ships did not use dilithium because, as you have stated, it did not occur on Earth. This limited the efficiency of the engines resulting in lower attainable warp factors. The function of the dilithium crystal was to optimize the matter-antimatter reaction products so that the resulting energy was tuned to frequencies that were better able to be used for the warp drive and other EPS loads. They got around the minor issue of the antimatter destroying the crystal by stating the the dilithium crystal structure allowed the antimatter to quantum mechanically tunnel through the crystal and void the whole annihilation thingy. I assume the tunneling somehow entangled the antimatter with the dilithium crystal structure and this is what allowed tuning the reaction products. This happened because the lattice strains forced some of the crystal into subspace. Again, tech the tech tech.
@johnrickard8512
5 жыл бұрын
Considering that Cochrane built his ship from an old nuclear missile I think it can be safely assumed that he used a fission reactor to power his spacecraft. That's also why it took a while to go to warp.
@saalkz.a.9715
5 жыл бұрын
@@johnrickard8512 I'm not quite sure, but I remember in Enterprise someone stated that the Phoenix had a fusion reactor. (but of course I could be wrong)
@keirfarnum6811
3 жыл бұрын
Fire is plasma. Does that mean we could just build a wood fire behind the bussard collectors to run at warp? 😁
@willgoogletakethisname3963
3 жыл бұрын
@@keirfarnum6811 warp 0.04 - 8kph, speed of hot air ballons
@davebrunero5529
5 жыл бұрын
Wow... It almost sounds like someone made the design up without having a clue what they were talking about...
@Taladar2003
3 жыл бұрын
It also feels very much as if they do not have an internal collection of existing lore to check new stories for inconsistencies.
@ShadowKatt
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is pretty simple actually. The nacelles are filled with these things called Field Coils that, as the name suggests, generate a field. Theyre similar to the coils we use in many electric motors and transformers. Theoreticly, the power source doesn't matter. But the concept of loss is a factor. Most forms of energy we have extract very little energy from their mass. Antimatter however has a theoretical 100% energy conversion, hence why big ships and stations use it. All that in mind, if you had a reactor that could produce enough energy, a small enough craft, and a way to generate a warp shell, it should work.
@Derekloffin
5 жыл бұрын
There is a book out there (which of course is of highly dubious canonness... like none, but regardless) that had Scotty state that you don't need the main power to achieve warp, and that fusion is all that is required, but obviously the M/AM reaction is so much more powerful that it is generally what is setup for it. And, if you think on it, this only makes sense as numerous times we've seen vessel with non-M/AM main power achieve warp, and even warp fields be establish with non M/AM power (Romalan warbirds for instance use a artificial singularity, and DS9 has done the warp field thing).
@trikkxie
5 жыл бұрын
How are we going to move this rust bucket? "I have an idea. Generate a warp field and push it really hard."
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Makes a lot of sense concerning the resources Cochrane originally had.
@absalomdraconis
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what did Cochran actually use? It wasn't fission, right? Right?
@EdricLysharae
5 жыл бұрын
They did just this in a Star Trek: Engineers book where they were trying to recover the old constitution Defiant from the Tholian spatial rift.
@AdmiralKnight
5 жыл бұрын
7:20 For the same reason Enterprise and Columbia were able to both stay at warp sharing Columbia's warp field. The main ship's warp bubble keeps the shuttle at warp. Once it exits the bubble it drops out of ftl
@TheHistoricalFencingGuild
5 жыл бұрын
The variety of shuttles and small craft has always intrigued me in Trek, as civilian and private interests are so rarely shown.
@barrybend7189
5 жыл бұрын
Meh depends on what you consider warp it could just shunt to warp 0.5 at best. And fusion reactors can create plasma to put through the coils but it limits the operation time not in the distance.
@drewmandan
5 жыл бұрын
A warp 0.5 limit would not be canon. At that speed, it would take years to travel between even neighboring star systems.
@Dandre923
5 жыл бұрын
I haven't read the Enterprise D tech manual in a while but I remember it explaining the warp core like this: the dilithium mediates the M/A reaction by allowing the antimatter to flow through the dilithium without touching it. As the annihilation happens the resulting plasma is aimed at some sort of splitter which sends it down the plasma conduits toward the nacelles. The warp field happens when the plasma injectors squirts a bit of plasma on each field coil in sequence. The result is an warp field which propels the ship. I guess you could use fusion plasma to power the coils you just need a lot of it. That's my take..
@norcalprepper7313
5 жыл бұрын
I surprised you didn't mentioned the shuttle from tos
@redshirt5126
5 жыл бұрын
norcal prepper I don't think the shuttles in TOS had warp capabilities.
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Except when the plot required it?
@MatthewCaunsfield
5 жыл бұрын
The TOS shuttle was shown to be warp capable in Galileo-7, Menagerie and Metamorphosis.
@redshirt5126
5 жыл бұрын
Matt Bell. figures
@ervinm.5065
5 жыл бұрын
If you saw the TNG movie you would know that Cochrane used the nuclear core of the nuke he modified as spaceship to create the plasma
@nerissadonald5353
3 жыл бұрын
If this reply is about the need for dilithium, I’m pretty sure trilthium is more abundant and could have been used to make dilthium with a bit of work and know how.
@Kuriamo22
5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact Cochranes ship was power by a fission reacter using the plutonium from a nuclear warhead. It provided enough power for its short warp flight. The power to cochranes graph from the tng tech manual showed up in a few episodes and therefore is canon. You can achieve the power needed for lower warp factors with non antimatter reactions. Dilithum is used just to regulate antimatter reaction but isnt fundamentally required. Early starships were fusion powered and had massive fuel consumption until antimatter reactors were developed before the Earth Romulan war.
@cadengrace5466
5 жыл бұрын
There are two obscure pieces of canon information that will help you to understand this situation better.In Best of Both Worlds, Part 2. The Enterprise D is seen at Jupiter moving to intercept the Borg Cube headed to Earth which is under the command of Locutus. The specifically say they are dropping to impulse at this time and state it will be 29 minutes to intercept at Earth. If you use some math and assume that Jupiter and Earth are at their closest relative points, the Enterprise D has to be moving in excess of Warp 1. Most calculate around 1.7 - on impulse power! In an episode of TOS called Balance of Terror, Scotty gives the technical engineering assessment of the Romulan Bird of Prey and states clearly that it has is simple Impulse Power. Because we can see that they are traveling across a vast distance - We have the map of the DMZ showing distances - we can only assume that somehow they can use impulse to exceed the speed of light by enough of a margin to make such a journey in a reasonable time. Star Trek shuttles should work the same way.
@blackasp001
5 жыл бұрын
Scotty says their power is simple impulse,I think he's actually saying the POWER PLANT is impulse ( fusion ). He never says they don't have warp drive, only they don't have a warp core. Since this post is about warp capable shuttles a large enough fusion plant should be enough for a low warp stealth ship. For the plasma you could have a large battery capacitor system for arming and trickle charge it in-between
@cadengrace5466
5 жыл бұрын
From the script of the episode: [Briefing room] SPOCK: From the outpost's protective shield. Cast rodinium. This is the hardest substance known to our science. (He crushes it with his hand) SPOCK: Lab theorises an enveloping energy plasma forcing an implosion. KIRK: Comments? SPOCK: Obviously, their weaponry is superior to ours, and they have a practical invisibility screen. MCCOY: You're discussing tactics. Do you realise what this really comes down to? Millions and millions of lives hanging on what this vessel does. SPOCK: Or on what this vessel fails to do, Doctor. KIRK: Yes, well gentlemen, the question still remains. Can we engage them with a reasonable possibility of victory? SCOTT: No question. Their power is simple impulse. KIRK: Meaning we can outrun them? STILES: To be used in chasing them or retreating, sir? This exchange on screen makes it quite clear that the impulse he is referring to relates to propulsion. There have only ever been three sources of energy mentioned on Star Trek; warp power, impulse power and battery power. These sources are distributed through the ship through the EPS conduits in the form of plasma.
@blackasp001
5 жыл бұрын
@@cadengrace5466 still think I'm right. And with that we'll agree to disagree.🙂
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
This debate will likely continue for sometime. TOS teased various non-warp propulsion systems at times, including the Sigma Draconian ship, didn't it?
@obsidiansands
5 жыл бұрын
Off the cuff, I think that the "nacelles" themselves are what "pushes" the shuttles into warp. As far as I know from my own limited knowledge, the actual power output of those "fusion" reactors on the shuttles aren't clearly defined and vary per shuttle class. The only "shuttles" per se that have "micro" warp cores were the runabouts and the Delta Flyer (and probably the future shuttles that Admiral Janeway and the time traveling "cops" Aeon shuttles). Past the Archer era, they probably already are able to get more power out updated fusion tech. Even the Enterprise D can have "severly limited" warp capability off of their fusion reactors in a pinch. Warp cores are for warp speeds beyond Warp 6 with longer sustainability in warp. Back in the TOS days warp speeds practically went beyond warp 10 - it was only retconned during the TNG era going forward.
@shadowconvoy
3 жыл бұрын
DS9 is powered by a fusion reactor and other were able to generate a warp bubble to move the station from Bajor to the wormhole. Cochran's Pheonix may have used a a fusion reactor to generate its warp field as well since its doubtful he had a matter/antimatter reactor. Fusion reactors are a more realistic "near future" tech that could have become available to him. Also there are also many technologies that can create warp bubbles without even having "proper" nacelles:Klingon BoP, Delta Flyer,, Marquee ships/fighters (Peregrin class), Cardassian vessels and various alien vessels. I recall the lore years ago was that nacelles spread far apart created a faster ship but the closer the necelles were to the hull it was slower but being more compact granted better defensive sheilds for combat. Though "overpowered" , the Defiant would be a perfect example of this.
@crgkevin6542
5 жыл бұрын
Gonna have to side with Trekyards with this one. From my understanding of how warp drives in ‘Trek work, the warp coils in the nacelles are what actually generate the subspacr field rather than the matter/antimatter reaction in the warp core. Granted, from my understanding the plasma generated by the warp core is a special variety, so fusion reactors may not produce power of the right type still. However, some sort of power converter using dilithium could still work around that problem.
@ThubanDraconis
5 жыл бұрын
My personal head canon is that the warp nacelles generate the warp field. At energy levels achievable by fusion reactors, a ship can go at fairly low warp speeds. But, for higher warp speeds you need energies only achievable by antimatter reactions, (or by using artificial black holes for the Romulans.) It then became common for Star Fleet to refer to fusion reactors as "impulse power" and the antimatter reactors as "warp power" even though this wasn't absolutely correct. This explains the TOS Romulans only having impulse power. Their warbirds were warp capable but they were using something like fusion power and might could have managed warp 2, 3, or even 4 which is still a crawl compared to a ship that comfortably cruises at warp 6.
@absalomdraconis
5 жыл бұрын
As I recall, impulse engines are actually a _particular_ _style_ of slower than light drive, which themselves are usually powered by fusion reactors (though they probably don't have to be). The TNG technical manual made some mention of the Enterprise-D having some warp technology incorporated into it's impulse engines, so it might be that the Romulans were doing something similar in TOS, but with higher resulting speeds.
@seancondon5572
4 жыл бұрын
Cochrane used an old nuclear missile assembly to launch the first warp flight. It seems reasonable to me that it is possible, with some extreme difficulty, to achieve low-warp speeds using a nuclear reactor. That is to say, feeding a matter-antimatter reaction through dilithium crystals is not the only way to achieve a warp field. Case in point: warp-capable Romulan vessels utilize a forced quantum singularity. Cochrane likely found some other way to generate a small warp field using just a nuclear reactor. Whether said reactor was fission or fusion... I guess that's up to the viewer to imagine. The Vulcans, though, likely looked at Cochrane's design and thought "Yo dawg, u got some balls, cuz that's like hella dangerous. We gonna hook you up with some of these Dilithium crystals and teach you all bout matter and antimatter. We cool?"
@GeekFilter
5 жыл бұрын
From Star Trek Monthly: "At one point during the writing of First Contact, the writers of the film considered what might power the matter-antimatter reaction chamber aboard the Phoenix, in lieu of dilithium crystals. Co-writer Ronald D. Moore later recalled, 'We had talked about it being from something modified from the thermonuclear warhead - that somehow setting off the fission reaction was what kicked it off. "
@TheCyberloki
5 жыл бұрын
dear most commenters: He didn't meant that the Warpcore is creating the Warpfield. But i also watched it two times to understand it. He meant that an Warpfield (which is always created by Warpcoils and therefor Warp nacelles) can not only be powered by an Warp-reactor (Matter-Antimatter-reaction) but can also be powered through other means like for example Fusion cells which are used as secondary energy source on most starfleet ships or an singularity reactor like on romulan ships. And yes there are scenes in the show where an ship with an ejected Warpcore still travels through multiple systems in an acceptable time to get back to an starbase to replace its core. Those scenes imply that it is possible to achieve FTL speeds and therefor low warp speeds without the Warpcore. So i guess the fusion generators can produce enough energy to power the warpfield.
@177SCmaro
3 жыл бұрын
A "warp core" is an antimatter reactor, a power generator. Warp coils are what create the "warp bubble" that propelled the ship. A "warp core" is akin to a nuclear reactor and warp coils are akin to propellers on a nuclear air craft carrier. You don't nessisarily need a nuclear reactor to power the propellers. You could use fuel oil, for example, to generate heat to generate steam to power the propellers just like you could use a fusion reactor to generate power for the warp coils but it would probably take a massive fusion reactor to match the output of a "warp core".
@DasPuppy
5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the warp plasma shaped by the warp coils inside the warp necelles is what creates the warp field. How that plasma came to be, was needing energy. So fusion reaction as an energy source might just be enough. But then the warp core really is just a matter-anti-matter chamber, and the dilithium crystals are used to be some kind of lense that directs that energy to make warp plasma. And if you have bigger ships, you need more warp plasma for more warp speed - let alone the ideas on how the warp coils need to be formed. Interestingly enough, in First Contact we learn that some copper tubing is enough to function as a plasma conduit (Broccoli asked Geordi to have an excure to shake Cochrane's hand ;) )
@casbot71
5 жыл бұрын
The Type 8 was made out of different materials so an Intrepid class ship could manufacture them with Replicators while on long range missions, which alleviated the need to carry seventeen spare shuttles. And the Type 2 had the same intheater construction ability and modular upgradability on the GTI version.
@jeffphillips1832
Жыл бұрын
If only every shuttle had Warf drive. Now we're really cooking.
@mhsbear2k
5 жыл бұрын
Lore Reloaded, every time you say our lives are stories, I am reminded of the saying “We are all books of blood. When we’re opened, we’re red”.
@jonojjt6
5 жыл бұрын
WRONG The early Romulan ships (before the klingon/romulan alliance) were FUSION powered, and could achieve low warp speeds, however the klingons gave them several D7 class ships in a trade for their (a more primitive model) iconic cloaking device, thus giving them Antimatter warp cores... before they abandoned them for micro singularities. Not only this but Cochrine achieved warp speed without Antimatter in the Phoenix, more than once in Next Gen we meet interstellar, warp capable species with "fusion power plants" and even the ancient bajorans broke the warp barrier with a solar sail powered "light ship". Also i believe it's said more than once in DS9 that the Runabouts are fusion powered. Antimatter is CERTAINLY not necessary for it. It's nice, and far more efficient, but not necessary.
@LoreReloaded
5 жыл бұрын
Alpha canon episode ?
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Sigh - well, it works as a retcon, since they had to have SOME warp capability. 'POWER' is simple impulse, as Scotty said.
@Marcus51090
5 жыл бұрын
Well that’s how real warp theory is, the ship doesn’t actually move it moves time and space around it yeah don’t ask me how someone call Nasa I fancy a nice trip round proxima anyone coming lol 😂
@solid-state
5 жыл бұрын
Also Romulan ships used a singularity as power source in the 24th century. IIRC this was mentioned on the TNG episode that introduced the Roundabout.
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
Yep. Presumably more modern, cutting edge tech.
@JosephKeenanisme
2 жыл бұрын
I can see the argument on the warp core vs fusion reactor. If forming a warp buddle around a ship is dependent on the power put into it a fusion plant might make sense, especially if the energy requirement per cubic meter of bubble doubles for every few cubic meters you add to it. Like you could get a skin cell sized warp bubble with a 9 volt battery, a lighter would take house current, and a car would take a conventional power plant. The output for speed in warp is exponential (going from warp 1 to 2, or warp 7 to 8), so I'd have to argue that the input of energy (the opposite side of the equation) would require just as much power. We are talking small sized shuttles going slower than most ships with a warp core.
@100_American_Bison
5 жыл бұрын
Wait @LoreReloaded I see you trying to make sense of Star Trek logic again, but I hope you live long and prosper
@sirhenry9313
5 жыл бұрын
Hey Lore, I see where your getting a bit confused and it used to confuse me too, however here's how I best understand it: The warp core is the powerhouse of a starship, providing the energy from the matter-antimatter reaction. This is then utilised throughout the ship, but mainly to power up the warp coils within the nacelles to create a warp field via plasma conduits. This in turn means that the warp coils are what creates the warp field, and not the warp core. Hence, it is simply a matter of power availability. If you can then achieve this power via another substitute (such as a fusion reactor) you can still achieve warp speeds. The best analogy I can think of is petrol v LPG v deisel cars: all still have wheels, axel and run on an internal combustion engine, but achieve the combustion in slightly different ways. I would be interested to know, however, if this is why shuttles may be limited in their warp speed capability due to the decreased power availability of a fusion reactor. Also, as I understand it, no shuttle was "a precursor" to the runabouts, but that the runabouts were specifically designed to be upsized shuttles made to have a higher power output, shields, weapons, larger crew etc for longer duration missions than a shuttle could (or should) handle. I know Trek made ships fit where they shouldn't but I can think of any alpha cannon where a runabout fit into any shuttlebay, but I could be wrong. However, it would make sense to have a ship sized somewhere between a shuttle and a starship (wouldn't you hate having to crew a 300+ officer starship just to deliver 10 people to a station... Oh, wait....)
@stargatefan10
5 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 40k.
@casbot71
5 жыл бұрын
For the Emperor. Sorry, reflex action.
@messman10
5 жыл бұрын
casbott Should he do some lore on Warhammer 40K to celebrate 40K subscribers?
@thebighurt2495
5 жыл бұрын
@@messman10 Please don't. He's already got Trekkies badgering him about everything they disagree with in his vids. The man doesn't need a whole 'nother fanbase to contend with.
@apolloaerospace7773
5 жыл бұрын
I don think I need to mention how the Warpbubble is createt, but ripping apart spacetime takes a lot of energy, it´s like creating a Black Hole, but sustaining it also takes energy, because spacetime, like (probably) everything else wants to reach the lowest level of energy or in this case something like a flat plain (no Gravity). This effects Black Holes causing them to lose energy over time in form of radiation, this is called Hawking Radiation, to sustain a Warpbubble, it would also take energy, but much less than needed to create it and a small shuttle pod could sustain a Warpbubble with it´s Impulse Engines, that as far as I know work similar to a Warpdrive, but with a much weaker Warpfield, that just allowes the ship to reduce it´s mass. The saucer section of Galaxy Class ships can also use this tecnique to to travel at low Warp speeds after seperation. To the Warpcore Part, I have heard some times, that the Warpcore is a part of the Warpdrive itself and is essentual for building up and sustaining the Warpbubble, especially in a TNG episode (I dont know the name) were Wesley is experimenting with a so called static-Warpbubble, that soaks up his mother. The center of the Warpbubble was the Warpcore, my first thaught was: Warum ist die Warpblase um den Warpkern herum aufgebaut, eine derartige Formation würde enorme Gezeitenkräfte auf das Schiff wirken lassen, ganz zu schweigen von den Teilen, die außerhalb sind ! Die Warpgondeln sollen die Gefar auf Abstand halten ! I guess I should tranlate this: Why is the Warpbubble build up around the Warpcore, this formation would let work enourmous tide forces on the ship, not metioning the parts, that are outside ! The warpnacellcs are holding the danger away ! I think that explains clearly, why the Warpcore can´t be more than an energy source, Star Trek explains many times, that the origin of the warpfield meaning the nacells has to be kept away from vulnerable parts of the ship, like the crew or THE WARPCORE WICH IS A VERY POWERFULL AND DANGEROUS MATTER-ANTIMATTER REACTOR. The warpcore just needs to provide alot of super hot plasma , it doesn´t matter, if it is a fusion or a matter-antimatter reactor, but a fusion is less powerfull than a matter-antimatter reactor, but if he is powerfull enough a fusion warpcore can be a cheap alternativ to te conventional warpcore, because he doesn´t need Dilithium to function.
@TironStarstryker
5 жыл бұрын
I saw bits and pieces of this scattered around the comments, but I'm feeling a need to lay it all out in one single post as clearly as possible, so here goes. The Warp Core itself is... a glorified reactor. It takes matter and antimatter and annihilates them, releasing an enormous amount of energy. The dilithium crystals don't actually take part in the reaction itself, they simply act as a moderator, controlling the reaction and making it useful instead of just going boom. Federation Reactors specifically run on Deuterium and Anti-Deuterium. After the second battle of Chin'toka it's mentioned that Klingon ships run on Tritrium and Anti-Tritium (This is why they can make a tweak to become immune to the Breen Energy Draining weapon and the Feds can't.) If I recall correctly, the reaction is run slightly matter-rich, the excess matter being turned into a high-energy plasma inside the warp core itself, known as 'Warp Plasma'. This high-energy plasma is run through the primary conduits out to the warp nacelles, where it's used to energize the warp coils contained within the nacelles. Thus energized, the coils are what creates the subspace warp field. It's actually theoretically possible to maintain warp for a short time after ejecting or shutting down the warp core if the nacelles are already energized, as it takes a bit for them to discharge. Some of the Warp Plasma is also siphoned off and processed into a lower-energy form, which is distributed around the ship and used to power pretty much everything. This is the stuff that's running through the 'plasma conduits' that seem to be all over. One key point is that realistically, the Warp Core isn't actually *generating* power so much as *releasing* it, extremely rapidly. So far as we can tell, Antimatter is not naturally occurring and has to be artificially created, and it takes insane amounts of power to generate. This handily explains why they have 'antimatter storage pods' and yet use the Bussard Ramscoops on the front of the nacelles to gather Deuterium. Deuterium is naturally occurring. Anti-deuterium is not. In theory, any power source capable of energizing the warp coils sufficiently can power a warp drive... the matter/anti-matter warp cores are just the only practical method to put out enough power fast enough to generate a large, high-warp field. Edit: I forgot. Another example of an extremely small warp drive... Photon Torpedoes have a 'warp sustainer' drive built in. It can't actually propel them to warp speeds but allows them to maintain warp speeds when launched by a ship already at warp.
@robertduvall3668
5 жыл бұрын
I personally would love to see you and trekyards discuss this further on a live stream. There's only one thing that gets me going more than the lore of Star Trek, and that is the technical stuff.
@LightStrikerQc
5 жыл бұрын
Warp bubble isn't generated by the "warp core", even if the name is a bit confusing. The primary wrap bubble is generated by the warp coils in the nacelle. However, there's a number of occurrence where this is also done by a deflector dish. (Ex.: DS9, Voyager) The source of energy to power up the coils is irrelevant. Starfleet ships uses matter/antimatter as fuel. Cargo and shuttles uses fusion reactor. DS9 used 2 fusion reactor to travel from Bajor to the wormhole. Romulan used a contained micro-singularity (by probably making matter fall into it, having it slingshot around it and turned into relativistic plasma). Cochrane used a refurbished "nuke" as source of power for the Phoenix, so it was "nuclear" powered. Also, warp bubble doesn't make the ship move. They distort local space, but that alone doesn't make any motion occur. The ship still need a basic physical push - given by impulse engine - in order to move. The idea of a wrap bubble is that instead of travelling at 1 m/s in local speed, you're travelling 10 or 100 m/s due to space being compressed and stretched out.
@starsiegeplayer
2 жыл бұрын
Canon shows that you just need a reactor with enough power output. Wesley powered a Constellation starship to warp (albeit only for a second or so) with his fusion reactor science project. Romulans use an artificial singularity to generate the power for their warp drives.
@biostemm
5 жыл бұрын
Did Cochran's Phoenix have a m/am reactor in first contact? I don't think it did. Dilithium is only necessary to regulate the m/am reaction. The nacelles contain the warp coils that you need for ftl. My guess is that the m/am reactor is colloquially called the "warp core" because any ship that has one can't generate enough power without it to achieve warp speeds...
@compmanio36
5 жыл бұрын
Yup, warp is a matter of fields created by the nacelles, or rather the warp coils...since not all warp capable ships have nacelles, but they all have warp coils. Warp core is a misnomer, as it's actually called the M/ARA (Matter/Antimatter Reaction Assembly). There are direct plasma conduits to the nacelles, but also EPS taps that power other ship systems. Fusion reactors may not provide enough power for more than the impulse engines (and the impulse engines ARE fusion reactors) on say, a Galaxy class, due to the mass of the ship...but on a small shuttle? Maybe. Especially since they're only supposed to be capable of warp 1 or 2 at most, for a short time.
@philips.5563
5 жыл бұрын
The old TNG technical manual depicted the warp field being generated by directing a steam of plasma through a series of coils in the nacelles. There is a TNG episode that actually depicts part of this. If I remember correctly somebody was trying to kill themselves by jumping into the plasma stream.
@Merennulli
Жыл бұрын
That was Troy, yep.
@GarrisonHat
5 жыл бұрын
TNG had stated at least once that the Type-15, by the reference to the nacelle projections as "impulse nacelles". Yet Geordi was traveling to Risa in one and Data absconded with one and got a considerable head start--the engine had been off roughly two hours when Riker's team beamed down--on the Enterprise after going through a Borg transwarp corridor.
@thomasschulz2167
5 жыл бұрын
Since no one else seems to have addressed the propulsion of the Phinix. Instead of a matter antimatter reaction chamber to produce the plasma, Cochrane used a plasma generator to supply the required energy to the warp driver coils. He also didn't use the same type of drive as later ships in Star Trek. He used a nested plasma drive field in the Phinix. Where as later ships used the more powerful subspace drive coils. That's part of why it took so long for them to hit warp speed. The plasma needed to heat up and form the nested fields.
@shaunmclaughlin5167
5 жыл бұрын
I love this sort of dry content mixed in with quips like "I mean you just change the settings on the PEZ dispensor after all".
@Mattytime
5 жыл бұрын
I feel like it makes sense to assume that the Type 7 was replaced with the Danube Class Runabout. Since the runabout sort of does everything the 7 does but bigger. perhaps? maybe.
@Robert0Pirie
5 жыл бұрын
I always thought the big thing that makes the Danube class different from the Type 7 shuttle was that the Danube was supposed modular, though we never see this done on screen. The back half, under the pylons and behind the door at the back of the cockpit, was suppose to be removable and you could attach different modules there or even tow smaller vessels by attaching them to the modular connector. Don't remember if that's Alpha or Beta canon that but the Danube class is one of my favorite ships. Runabouts are way under rated in my opinion, Starfleet should have been sending big waves of small crews on Runabouts into the Gamma Quadrant once the Bajoran wormhole was discovered. Send in the bigger ships after to look into anything worthly note. Really survey the crap out if the place and then go for the interesting places.
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
That's right, per the DS9 manual.
@Mattytime
5 жыл бұрын
I remember that modular thing. I often think about it whenever someone goes into the back of a runabout, and wonder if it looks the same as the one time we ever see back there, on TNG. And I also wonder if that modular thing is why all the cockpits changed and got bigger in later seasons. I suppose the modularity would be an upgraded feature and reason to replace the 7. My point is I think about runabouts a lot.
@mosser-wm3dx
5 жыл бұрын
Replaced? No, but utilized when appropriate. Rubabouts size can be a detriment depending on the mission or what kind of resources u have at your disposal.
@mosser-wm3dx
5 жыл бұрын
@Josh M evidence? And wtf dude u have the same initials as me. My names also josh....are u my doppleganger?
@DrZalmat
3 жыл бұрын
If the warp core, Dilithium and such would be needed to create a warp field, then Cochrane would never have been able to build the first warp ship. At his time he only had fusion reactors and Dilithium is a substance not existing on earth... The only point of a warp core is to create the extreme energies needed to create the warp field. The nacelles are what creates the field. To go into RealLife science here: the energy needed to create a warp field via an Alcubierre Warp Drive (the RL equivalent to the Cochrane Warp Drive) is estimated at about the energy output of Jupiter. The "easiest" way is to use matter/antimatter annihilation because it creates a vast amount of energy with a small amount of fuel (and no, that does technically not need Dilithium to work, Dilithium only makes it way easier to focus the energy beam resulting from the reaction), but a sufficiently large Fusion reactor or even a reeeeeeeally large fission reactor could provide that energy as well...
@OtakuPanda
5 жыл бұрын
I love tuning in to these videos, so relaxing to watch and I feel like an engineer by the end of it!
@greenmedic88
5 жыл бұрын
Engineering and building the Phoenix presumably didn't include the creation of an anti-matter warp drive utilizing dilithium crystals. That's on the assumption that dilithium crystals weren't readily available on Earth as much ado was made about the amount of time and effort that went into scavenging the titanium required to build the cockpit, but less (none) was made with regards to the power source. The audience would fairly assume it was powered by a nuclear/fusion based source given that the Phoenix was built out of an ICBM nuclear missile in a nuclear missile silo. A quick peek at Memory Alpha confirms: "At one point during the writing of First Contact, the writers of the film considered what might power the matter-antimatter reaction chamber aboard the Phoenix, in lieu of dilithium crystals. Co-writer Ronald D. Moore later recalled, "We had talked about it being from something modified from the thermonuclear warhead - that somehow setting off the fission reaction was what kicked it off." (Star Trek Monthly issue 45, p. 46)"
@edtacey2257
5 жыл бұрын
Taken from Memory Alpha: "Warp core is the common designation for the main energy reactor powering the propulsion system on warp-capable starships. During the 22nd century, warp reactors aboard NX-class starships were technically known as the "Gravimetric Field Displacement Manifold". A less common name for this core was antimatter reactor core." From this description we can see that the "Warp Core" is just an extremely high powered reactor, it is in fact the Warp Coils in the nacelles which create the Warp field and allow FTL speeds.
@trevynlane8094
5 жыл бұрын
From what I understand, early Starfleet ships were all fusion powered and had a limited top speed and range because of this. The fusion reactor burns a lot of deuterium to generate a warp field, while a M/AM reactor burns very little deuterium and some dilithium to generate the same amount of energy. Most ships use fusion reactors and fuel cells (big battery banks) as auxillary power systems, and to maintain the M/AM containment field while the M/AM reactor is "powered down"
@deniseherud
5 жыл бұрын
The warp field is generated by the nacelles. U can run EPS power over them that's been generated by pretty much anything including Gilligan on a bike...the plasma is what interacts with the warp field coils in the nacelles and then creates the warp field. It's manipulated (i.e. speed) by how fast and how much plasma is being fed thru the coils. A fusion reactor could provide enough plasma for low-level warp flight. Faster speeds could be obtained in the runabout class through larger fusion reactors or a small warp core. Warp cores don't need to be huge, multi-decks high...just large enough to allow matter and antimatter streams to be combined in the dilithium chamber, where the plasma stream is tuned by the dilithium and channeled to the nacelles and main power grid thru the EPS power distribution system. Fusion generators can and do power the entire EPS system when the core is offline, however power is drastically reduced due to the much weaker fusion reaction as opposed to the matter/antimatter reaction.
@hogfry
4 жыл бұрын
There is a VERY simple solution to this. Energy storage batteries i.e.: power banks. This is something we already know that star fleet has. Phaser banks for instance. We also know that these hold a TREMENDOUS amount of energy AND are super efficient... both because of the energy output of phasers and how long it takes their banks to be drained in combat. If all you need is enough POWER to achieve a warp bubble. A fusion reactor could Charge a battery bank and allow the shuttle to reach low warp for a set amount of time until it depelted those batteries. That would also help to explain the low range of early shuttles. Of course, once star fleet tech was advanced enough, to miniturize warp cores, it stopped being nearly as important to have batteries.
@krisgonynor689
5 жыл бұрын
Simple answer to the fusion-powered warp drive question: Z. Cochrane (sorry if misspelled) created the warp drive as a way to make $$$ and retire to a south Pacific island. If he had invented an easy way to make anti-matter plus invented warp tech too he would have owned the planet. By creating anti-matter weapons, whatever nation-states left on Earth would have given him anything, assuming he didn't use the tech to take over himself. By building an anti-matter powered space ship, he had the tech to place anti-matter weapons in orbit, which could have made him Emperor of Earth. ( I assume that is what he did in the mirror universe). The biggest question raised is this: if fusion power was so available that he could build a small reactor into that old rocket, why was north America still in a dark age? Even small-scale fusion power plants would have allow us to recover from WW3 in a few years. If MR C. invented a small-scale reactor, why not just sell that? I think that Mr C. actually used the plutonium from the nuclear warhead he found in the bunker and created some kind of atomic power plant to generate the plasma he used to power the warp coils in his new drive. That let's him bypass the above questions of fusion tech and anti-matter tech development. FYI: Mr Scott's guide to the Enterprise and/or the Star Trek technical manual mention that the warp field is generated in the nacelles by a plasma stream generated in the warp core.
@Midnight.Shadows
5 жыл бұрын
As always with warp, I'm going to go back to the time the Enterprise-D separated at warp in some of the earlier seasons and the saucer sustained warp after (Visually on screen of course) I'm going to go out on a limb and say the creation of the warp field is what uses the most power, sustaining it probably uses significantly less power. I'm going to reference the warp power scale thing that shows power usages after achieving the speed drops significantly. Also, we see with other species (Romulans) that Artificial singularities can allow them to sustain warp, so really there is no real reason why warp has to be a warpcore other than power consumption. Also in the voyager episode. . . I think it's "Night" ? The one where they get sucked into that void. Janeway mentions "Using the Shuttles Warpcores to augment power on Voyager" So its reasonable to believe that these fusion cores in the shuttles might be some sort of matter/antimatter core that's just named a fusion core but isn't. Cause we all know Trek is bad for mislabeling things.
@absalomdraconis
5 жыл бұрын
I think it more likely that those shuttle warp cores replaced the M/Am reactor with a fusion reactor, while keeping the rest of the core the same. Probably the only reason that shuttles don't use antimatter anyways is just that maintenance failures don't matter as much for hydrogen or helium as for antimatter.
@AzziesPersonalRecordings
5 жыл бұрын
The Warp Core is just a power generator. It does produce warp plasma however, which is a key component used in larger warp engines (located in the nacelles), which leads to the confusion. The actual science behind all of this has been laid out since the mid to late 60s by experimental and quantum theorists which is where many sci-fi writers got the idea from. They mention in the episode 'Relics' that they could power the entire Jenolen on a single modern portable generator and replace her warp reactor, meaning that ship, of those engines were still functional, could have gone to warp with a power supply no bigger than a cubic meter.
@larqven0192
3 жыл бұрын
All I can add to what's been said: at least in my 'head-canon' warp nacelles on non-warp shuttles are to help with impulse propulsion. I think that the warp field largely negates most of the kinetic energy requirements of impulse. In other words; a ship moving at full impulse (0.25 c) is not REALLY moving at relativistic speeds or expending the physical thrust to reach such speeds. They ARE moving at warp even if still at sub-light speed. This would explain a LOT of how ships can reach and decelerate from one fourth the speed of light in minutes or even seconds. Further, the stresses on ship hulls and the inertial dampeners not being fatal make more sense if the expected kinetic energy is only a miniscule fraction of what moving at relativistic speeds would really be. So, shuttles (or any starship) can move very fast at impulse ALSO due to warp fields; with low power requirements. In theory, an 'escape clause' might exist whereas a 'sub-light shuttle' might be able to jump to warp 1+ by amping up the yield for emergencies. Actual Alpha canon evidence of this impulse theory isn't good; but there is the Pilot episode of DS9 (I think) where the station is moved to the location of the wormhole from its original position near Bajor by putting a warp bubble station around the station and it sort of 'floating' across a portion of the system to get there. While I had friends shouting 'foul' at this; I was filled with joy. "So THAT'S how impulse works without big-ass engines!", I said.
@evknucklehead
5 жыл бұрын
The Warp Core is called such because its primary function is to supply the power for the warp engines. If its primary job were to power the holodecks, it would be called the Holodeck Core. Then again, a lot of sources refer to the core as the Matter/Antimatter Reaction Assembly, which consists of the injection coils for the matter and antimatter, the Matter/Antimatter Reaction Chamber, the Dilithium Articulation Frame (which can be slid in and out of the MARC), and the various other bits that work together to supply power to the engines. So, in essence, "Warp Core" is a form of slang for whatever provides the power to the warp engines.
@phoenix1985
5 жыл бұрын
As for the power source we have to remember that Romulans, in the TNG era, do not use matter-antimatter at all but use an artificial quantum singularity as their power source and warp drive. And in The Original Series I think it is hinted that they use a fusion drive.
@plebetopro5786
5 жыл бұрын
You are correct in that there are different forms of warp. The "bubble" indicates that Trek Warp is based on either the Albecurie drive (discussed in DS9), or space folding. Which is not how they "discuss" it, but is the more likely, as the Star Trek logo is. (star fleet logo) is reference to how Cochrane managed to find a way to "decrease" the power required for FTL, from "infinite" to "possible". And yes, as speed increases, power required increases exponentially as well. (Normal real physics). So the Phoenix could theoretically break Warp 1, on Fusion drives. Probably not maintain warp much longer than the jump it made for the Vulcans.
@gillianorley
5 жыл бұрын
In the TNG episode., “Timescape,” they note that exposure to sped-up time caused the antimatter in one nacelle to be used up. They were in a larger shuttle or runabout, but it certainly had no warp core. The implication was that shuttle nacelles contain their own supply of antimatter as an energy source for warp power.
@ctford27
5 жыл бұрын
According to Cmdr Tucker of NX01 Enterprise: a warp engine works by combining matter and antimatter regulated by dilithium chrystals. The plasma is routed to the warp coils in the nacelles creating a stable warp field. I just finished watching all the seasons of Star Trek Enterprise.
@martinilp2513
2 жыл бұрын
Alright, prepared to nerd out FULLY here: from what I can tell, the warp reactor is the place where matter (Hydrogen from what I can tell) and antimatter (probably anti-hydrogen) are annihilated inside a matrix of dilithium crystals. This reaction generates a massive amount of energy, since really this annihilation is a massive explosion. Dilithium crystals are used because they can take the explosive force, whilst still conducting the energy (in this case heat) to the gas (from star trek enterprise I´d say Deuterium, basically hydrogen with three protons so very eager to react and forcibly remove the extra protons from it´s core) which then turns into warp plasma because that´s what gas does when superheated under extreme pressure like you´d get in... i don´t know... a massive explosion in a confined space, which itself is then directed along plasma conduits into the warp nacelles, which are made of rare metals which I can´t name anymore to generate a warp field (fairly realistic because plasma reactor technology exists) which itself is then used to propel the ship at warp. (the bussard collectors collect deuterium from open space btw, increasing the range of the ship by effectively delivering extra fuel for the warp plasma). In enterprise tucker could increase the warp speed of nx-01 by compressing the plasma stream to run through the coils faster, allowing the same coils to generate a stronger field, similar to a dynamo on a bike. I feel like this kind of supports my theory. plus I´m pretty sure spacedock did a really good video on warpcoils, sizes, shapes, plasma and warp speeds correlating. a lot of my theory is based on that. If anyone knows more than me and has differing opinions, please comment, I´d like to know. Thanks and good night.
@irdmoose
5 жыл бұрын
You've got to do a Lore Reloaded on the rocks that appear any time a Starfleet vessel has explosions on the ship. Where do they come from? Are they installed in dry dock during the ship's assembly? Is it something that's added in during refits? Why did Voyager have so many rocks? How many crew members were killed by rocks in the decades of Trek?
@ChoMar05
5 жыл бұрын
Im with Trekyards here. Taking real-world Physics, matter-antimatter reaction is only theoretical. But in Theory, it creates a lot of Energy. It doesnt crate a Warp Field. Controlling that Energy is difficult, but thats what dilithium is supposed to be for. It is never said, on screen or even in beta canon,that the Warp Core actually creates the Warp field. the Warp core creates Energy necessary for Warp speeds. Now, we get into the more difficult parts of Warp Theory. In Alpha Canon we find nothing linking Stuff like Speed, Mass, Shape, Nacelles or anything like that. And Beta Canon is confusing, regarding that. But there is no doubt about the following: If you put enough energy into your nacelles (and, maybe, the deflector) you will go to warp. So, regarding the Shuttles warp capabilities on a Fusion Reactor we have to answer two questions: How much is enough energy and whats the energy output of those fusion reactors. We dont have the Answer to any of these questions, but we see Shuttles at Warp. So, the Answer for the Trek Universe is Obviously "A Shuttles Fusion Reactor can generate enough power to archive Warp". Interesting side note: The Delta-Flyer (and maybe a Voyager Type 6? Im not gonna rewatch those old episodes) has Antimatter-reserves mentioned.
@Dzeroed
5 жыл бұрын
A live stream on a variety of Trek and sci-fi topics sounds like a great idea, then the whole lot of us could all have a good yap together 👍
@oooChickenatorXooo
5 жыл бұрын
My understanding is that it's the warp coils in the engine nacelles that create the subspace field, and you power them via electro-plasma which, if the warp bubble you wanted was small enough, a nuclear reactor could in theory provide enough power to do. Additionally, I believe that the point of having warp coil assembly in an impulse engine is that the subspace field makes you lighter so less powerful thrusters can move you effectively.
@davfree9732
5 жыл бұрын
Adding to the points on the Power Generation, Romulans use controlled micro singularities to power their vessels, which presumably, includes their warp systems. Now, that doesn't prove that a shuttle could make warp, but it does demonstrate that how the power is generated, can be accomplished in different ways. Also, if we take the view that more power yields more results, then it should be noted that comparitively, the shuttle is tiny. It doesn't need a large warp field, thus less energy is needed to create a field for a shuttle. I doubt a shuttle could make it up to warp 9 unless it was outfitted with more power, but considering shuttles are used to ferry parts and personnel around and to make short hops, it's unreasonable to assume they would have to unless under threat or pressure. At which point, you'd better hope your still docked on a ship or station and can make modifications. Runabouts seem to exist to bridge this gap between shuttle and ship. But again, we never see a warp assembly as far as I'm aware. And Runabouts are probably about 5 times the length of a shuttle, at minimum, given what we saw in TNG's episode where the Enterprise is trapped in time with a Romulan Warbird and we saw the middle cabin area. So at this point, a more powerful power generator should theorectically be required to create a bubble larger than a shuttle, to encompass the runabout.
@capnahayes
5 жыл бұрын
The Type 7 shuttle was entered through a hatch in the bow, not the aft. Also FYI Warp Plasma is what is injected into the Warp Coils housed in the nacelle. The Electro plasma was transferred from the Warp core after being generated by the Matter antimatter reactor. The power generation part doesn't actually need to be a Matter/Antimatter power, and could come from Fusion generators.
@Phoenixesper1
5 жыл бұрын
Technically your correct about chocrine not having dilithium FROM earth to make his fiirst warp drive. However remember that the TNG crew WERE present during those events as a result its quite possible that after the initial attack the TNG crew at the launch site discovered the absence of Dilithium from cochrines design, realized the ship would not work, and with geordie present rapidly surmized that their coming back in time always occurred and was the only reason earth ever attracted the vulcans, and thus transfered a bit of dilithium from the enterprise to the surface to ensure histories continuity before the shit hit the fan onboard the enterprise, and then told cochrine about this addition. I mean its either that or ask yourself why the vulcans never questioned how a dilithium devoid earth made a warp drive.
@johngaltline9933
5 жыл бұрын
Other commenters do more justice to this, but yes, at least as I see it, the 'warp core' is just the means of power generation. it's just the only means star fleet has to create enough power to create a warp field for a large ship to 'move' at high speeds. In addition, a shuttle craft doesn't have a ton of sub systems to power, needing only rudimentary life support, and a small flight computer.On the other hand star ships need power for weapons and combat useable shields ( I tend to suspect shuttles have some sort of 'battery' to power shields or weapons which is why they are typically crap), as well as power for whatever science is going on, recreation spaces, crew quarters, and filling the whole thing with air. It's not just about powering the warp field, but having enough power for extended missions without the ability to refuel. Shuttles on the other hand can be expected to refuel often, having a working range of travel. I suspect that the fusion reactor is depleted quite quickly , so while it works to power warp, matter/anti-matter reactors are much more practical for a star ship. At least that's my take on the engineering of fictional future space ships.
@chrissonofpear3657
5 жыл бұрын
See also the newer video about warp cores and nacelles Lore Reloaded recently released.
@inlarry4
5 жыл бұрын
As far as being able to sustain warp speed, my assumption is that a large portion of the power required for warp is in making the initial jump, not in maintaining. If you take an aircraft tethered to another aircraft traveling at sub-sonic speed and release it, it's already moving at whatever speed, meaning it has to expend less fuel to reach hypersonic speed, and no (or relatively little) fuel to maintain speed. The same basic concept is likely at play here.
@richardlahan7068
4 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct about the fusion reactors on the Type 6 not having enough power to produce a warp field.
@999benhonda
3 жыл бұрын
Warp field is produced in the nacelles...not in the core. But the larger the vessel, the more energy is required to generate a large enough warp field (or bubble) and the faster you try to go, the more power is required. So it can make sense for a shuttle to have warp drive ( at lower speeds) using a fusion reactor.
@peccatumDei
5 жыл бұрын
In ST:TOS shuttles were warp capable, but had a limited "fuel" supply. In The Galileo 7 we even saw Scotty draining hand phasers as a means of adding to the fuel supply. I would speculate that shuttle of that era (and the had phasers) employed containers of stored, charged plasma.
@lynngreen7978
5 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that the original shuttles were not armed. But *all* shuttles in TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT - and the Alternate Universe TOS movies (and probably DISCO) do.
@Enterprising_Aim
5 жыл бұрын
TNG let us know that while the initial power output to create a warp field was immense, smaller less powerful probes could be outfitted to capture that warp field and sustain it. So a shuttle not being able to go from Sublight to Warp, /could/ be outfitted to be able to capture and sustain a pre-existing warp field.
@Killerspieler0815
5 жыл бұрын
@ Lore Reloaded - The WARP nacelles contain the WARP coils that create the WARP field around the ship (supported by the main deflector dish). Humanity´s first warp ship / the Phoenix ) had a fusion reactor.
@Gigas0101
5 жыл бұрын
Respect for the research you do, digging into the minutiae of shuttles had to have been a slog but it gives you the best video on shuttles on youtube. Aren't we currently working towards warp technology nowadays?
@darkguardian1314
5 жыл бұрын
Maybe Kirk’s prediction of warp engines the size of walnuts has become a reality.
@messman10
5 жыл бұрын
Romulan Ships utilize micro singularity black holes, not anti matter, and are warp capable. The way warp is described, the warp coils get charges with some kind of handwavium magic "warp plasma" that is charged at the warp core on Federation Star Ships. It is implied that warp engines are conceptually similar to a steam engine: the turbines that generate the propulsion are the warp coils, the steam that transfers the energy is the warp plasma, and the furnace that generates the energy and heats/reheats/charges/recharges the steam is the warp core.
@RyuuTenno
5 жыл бұрын
So, I'd like to point out, in a couple of episodes of TOS (for the purposes of this argument, the J.J.-verse is omitted, due to timeline nonsense), they mention how the Enterprise has to go to a mining planet (I believe, I could be wrong about which episodes here), and that they're looking for Lithium crystals. Assuming that the warp core was around for quite a while, then, it's possible, that, the Enterprise, at some point, went through a minor upgrade/refit in Engineering, thus allowing for the use of Dilithium crystals, rather than the original Lithium crystals. If my understanding is correct, it's possible, that Cochrane used the element Lithium, and succeeded in turning it into a crystalline structure, capable of feeding the energy through from the engines, and thus creating a warp-field bubble. In First Contact, it's mentioned that Cochrane was using an old ICBM casing (resulting in excess nuclear [fission] radiation) making him rather sick. It's possible, that a fusion engine, surrounded by the excess fission reactions of the missile, could have easily resulted in him being able to create a warp-field. Though, I must point out, that, when he did the jump, I don't exactly think that he actually went into warp, but, very likely went near-lightspeed. (My personal opinion at least, simply due to technological limitations of the era.) Then again, he did build the thing based on a bet while he was drunk. I highly doubt that the Enterprise E crew gave him any particular supplies, as that would result in a rather drastic change within the timeline (more so than the damages the Borg were causing already). McCoy and Scotty got away with it, due to the fact that (rather recently), we just now managed to create transparent aluminum (which, would be about right given the events in ST: IV, where the guy said it would take years to work out the matrix of it). Picard, among others, would likely outright refuse to supply Cochrane with any resources not already in existence on Earth at/before the time of the launch. Bad enough that Geordi & Riker were on board with Cochrane as it was. Though, there are other methods to consider. Assuming crystals are key, it's quite possible that he could have used quartz, or even diamond, due to it's incredible strength and resistance to heat (usually). Alternatively, there could very easily have been a crystal that was specifically created for the sole purpose of channeling excess amounts of energy, while keeping from over heating, likely used in various fusion reactors by the time WW3, and the warp flight happen. I don't think it's actually mentioned what was being used for it. Though, something else to consider: there have been a few interesting ship designs, in which they have warp rings around them, and some recent designs/studies show that it could very well be possible, but, likely be thicker than what was seen within the shows (TNG primarily).
@joelmulder
2 жыл бұрын
If we go from the perspective of real life physics (assuming Star Trek’s warp drive concept proves to be possible), it is indeed true that warp could be achieved with any sufficiently powerful power plant. To curve space, one ‘simply’ needs a shit ton of energy. How that energy is made, doesn’t matter. THe warp core is just the big matter-antimatter reactor that creates that gigantic amount of power. This power is then used by the warp coils in the nacelles to do the actual bending of space-time. “It could somehow sustain warp because why the hell not” It makes sense though. It isn’t called a “warp barrier” for nothing. There is a large initial amount of power needed to ‘get over the hump’ as it were of a warp factor. After passing that threshold, sustaining the warp factor would require less power. So it is entirely feasible that a shuttle with a small fusion reactor could generate enough power to keep a warp bubble intact, but not enough to actually push itself past the warp barrier.
@Lightman0359
4 жыл бұрын
The type 15's "maintain a warp bubble" thing probablt uses principles similar to the torpedo/probe launcher, which is a railgun that uses a warp field instead of a magnet. The way it's impulse nacelles are described, it sounds like it uses a weak warp field [warp 0.75, 750 millicochrane], as opposed to normal impulse which is somewhere between a fusion torch and an Ion engine.
@KudzuNinja7
3 жыл бұрын
Matter-Antimatter reactions (IRL) are fusion reactions. A fusion reaction relies on the annihilation of matter to release energy. This occurs in the fusion of heavy H and He atoms by changing the resting mass of protons and neutrons within the nucleus - through altering particle "closeness." If you look up a table/graph of proton mass by element, you will see proton mass decreases from H to Fe.
@chromemox3319
5 жыл бұрын
I love the Type 11 shuttle. It just looks so badass.
@Goatcha_M
5 жыл бұрын
The warp field is generated by the Nacelles, the Anti-Matter is just a power source. Given the shuttles small size and that it has a max speed of Warp 2 (1.75 for the standard configuration), a Fusion Generator could provide enough power. Does require at least two nacelles to generate a stable warp field though, which is why the Kelvin should be incapable of warp..
@TheStainlessSteelCat42
5 жыл бұрын
Well acording to the Star Trek the next generation tecnical manual: It is the naccels which create the warp field. The warp core just sends plasma to the the Naccels. To be honist all the energy on the 1701-D comes from fusion reactions, which then drive partical accelrators to produce anti-matter. This anti-matter is then stored. The anti/matter reaction in the warp core is then focused by the dilithum crystals into plasma for the plasma conduates which then go to the Naccels. I assume that the large warp drive on the Enterprise D needs the high energy density plasma provided by the warp core to function, and that the energy density wouldn't be high enough from the Fustion reactors directly. Smaller star ships can be powered directly by the fusion reactors. Such as the shuttles.
@DblOSmith
5 жыл бұрын
Hmm... In a Voyager episode, Harry Kim and Torres quiz each other. and we learn that the Zephram Cochrane's ship had a chemically propelled warp drive. So... One fusion reaction would definitely be enough to do the trick.
@jovusv5762
5 жыл бұрын
One of the main reasons why warp plasma is a tradeable commodity is that it can be put into a vessels nacelles, energized and wham! Warp.
@specialnewb9821
5 жыл бұрын
Dilithium meteor is what I'm going with pre-First Contact Cochrane. I really enjoyed my Type 6 toy as a kid.
@Chris012345671
5 жыл бұрын
It's the coils in the nacelles that generate the warp field. The matter-anti matter reactor generates the power for those coils. From memory Alpha: Warp coils were an integral part of a starship's warp drive. Mounted within the warp nacelles, the coils used the plasmagenerated by the warp core to create a subspace displacement field that allowed faster-than-light travel. So if you can generate the plasma by another means, you still get to go to warp.
@dougc190
5 жыл бұрын
I remember reading before Enterprise came out, that the early ships before and up to the Romulan War, we're Fusion Drive powered
@TaldrenDR
5 жыл бұрын
Warp theory is a real theory, most recently updated by Alcubierre. For the sake of reality, the nacelles generate the "warp bubble". The power requirements to manipulate spacetime is significant and has a certain threshold (a threshold that Alcubierre greatly reduced). After that threshold it becomes how fast you go. As for Dilithium, we have no way to convert an anti-matter annihilation into usable electricity with any amount of viable efficiency in real life. Like with heisenberg compensators, it is a magical fictional component to solve a real world blocker.
@jaymesc.moreland9265
5 жыл бұрын
According to Star Trek: TNG Technical Manual, the Enterprise-D's Saucer section had a Warp Capability up to Warp 1. It was based around driver coils in the saucer section's Impulse(Fusion) Drive. So I don't find it unreasonable that Shuttles could use similar setups.
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