One of the coolest things Starfleet has ever found, and was NEVER MENTIONED AGAIN.
@NA-if1lu
3 жыл бұрын
While I havent verified any of the claims, supposedly there is more story on the sphere out there, just not in a medium you or I have been exposed to (mentions of novels and a game or two featuring the sphere were brought up in another comment section).
@valleyforgeproductions
3 жыл бұрын
@@NA-if1lu Star Trek Online has several missions involving it and eventually they function as a fast travel network
@trowawayacc
3 жыл бұрын
There is a whole narrative arpund these. And those that created them on STO. And online game. Its a great story.
@eddieschwab864
3 жыл бұрын
@@trowawayacc trying to remember was it built by the Voth?
@WhiteWolfCa
3 жыл бұрын
@@eddieschwab864 well it seems to be the concensus during most of the missions but I had an odd feeling that they had assistance from the Iconians
@apotheases
3 жыл бұрын
They could have literally made an entire spin off series about Federation scientists exploring the Dyson Sphere, its builders and the civilization that lived inside of it.
@Anon26535
3 жыл бұрын
Tsutomu Nihei: Hold my sapporo.
@FEARSWTOR
3 жыл бұрын
It definitely sparks the imagination. You could feasibly have entire cultures, races, civilizations, religions all existing inside of it; all at different levels of evolution and technology and not even necessarily aware of each other's existence or even that they were inside a sphere.
@a.hollins8691
3 жыл бұрын
TOS - For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky
@anydaynow01
3 жыл бұрын
Think about the Ringworld series, then multiply that by, well a lot! It would be a series of spin off series!
@brianjlevine
3 жыл бұрын
The CBC already did. It was called The Starlost.
@WUZLE
7 жыл бұрын
Hello, the most significant discovery made in any Star Trek series, and never addressed again. There's more land area in there than on every planet in the Federation put together, including the uninhabitable ones!
@Zeithri
6 жыл бұрын
Actually you drop by at least one Dyson Sphere in STO.
@RIDDICK0911
6 жыл бұрын
I might be wrong but it probably had to do with the fact that Federation was still dealing with the aftermath of Cardassian War, and then Dominion Cold War started. I just don't think that developing star harvesting tech was in Federation's priorities at the time...
@Cd5ssmffan
6 жыл бұрын
Uncle Chuck transparent aluminium was invented after star trek IV was created
@Quimper111
5 жыл бұрын
Our version of transparent aluminum is pretty much garbage in terms of useful applications though.
@stupidnamefilter
5 жыл бұрын
I don't think the writers really "got" how big it was. Dyson Sphere is a dumb idea anyways, even the inventor almost immediately thought it was ridiculous.
@fuzzyscarfandmittens4772
6 жыл бұрын
The only issue with this scene would be if that truly was a Dyson Sphere, at that range the Enterprise was at, the outer shell would look like a sheer wall. Not the gently curved surface as if they were orbiting a planet.
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
We could grant the benefit of the doubt and assume they entered a REALLY slow orbit and were still very far away.
@tbn22
3 жыл бұрын
That really depends on how far away they were during the last shot, doesn't it? The true problem with this scene is where the source of light shining on the dyson sphere is coming from.
@Terminator484
3 жыл бұрын
@@tbn22 Perhaps it's a binary star system, with a close stellar neighbor nearby? That's really the only plausible explanation for it being so well-lit.
@szr8
3 жыл бұрын
@@Terminator484 it could also be some visual enhancement. There are plenty of cameras in this age that I've seen that can make dusk look nearly like mid day or afternoon, so it doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility that in 300+ years that humanity would have tech that can construct images in space, which is largely very dark, with much more that just optical sensors.
@hadorstapa
3 жыл бұрын
It’s not nearly as curved as you tend to see in planetary shots. To me it looks like a far shot high up in the northern hemisphere, and always gave me a sense of scale.
@youtert
7 жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive, going from making vacuum cleaners to this.
@colinmasterson1604
4 жыл бұрын
Moved production to China innit
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
Kinda dwarfs Toyota's (obvious) move from sewing machines to car engines.
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
Eventually Dyson realized that vacuum doesn't have to suck.
@realnoahsimpson
3 жыл бұрын
youtert that joke sucked 😉
@d.cummer2652
3 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how long that took me to get.🤦🏻
@Phoenixesper1
3 жыл бұрын
This should have been the greatest discovery in federation history. A fully functioning, fully built dyson sphere. Even the iconian transporter tech comes in second to this. The Viable surface area on the inside of the sphere would be aproximately 1.26×10 to the 18th Kilometers. To put that in perspective, earths surface area is 2.01×10 to the 8th, 10 orders of magnitude greater then earths! you could fit every single inhabited word in the galaxy into this one sphere and still have room left over. it's mind boggeling. This one dyson sphere could support the entire sentient population of not just the federation, but likely the entire galaxy's sentient nitrogen/oxygen breathing beings. This things importance could not be understated. food production, overpopulation, resource scarcity, energy scarcity, gone in an instant. Short of Q just making the galaxy's problems go away, this solves almost all of the critical triggers causing strife in the milkyway galaxy! Picard in one fell swoop turned the federation from a kardeshev 1 civilization into a kardeshev 2 and it's never mentioned again!
@sir_lanian
3 жыл бұрын
My issue I see is that it's always going to be midday. This cant be a good thing. When would it rain? Why would it rain? No seasons could exist. It would just be a desert.
@Arcona
3 жыл бұрын
@@sir_lanian You think a species capable of building a dyson sphere, most likely the biggest construct in the galaxy, then wouldn't be able to create some weather regulating technology or a method of creating an artificial night in certain areas?
@sir_lanian
3 жыл бұрын
@@Arcona fair point
@TheGreatsagegoku
3 жыл бұрын
Who's to say you have to occupy the inner surface of a Dyson sphere at all? Can the structure not theoretically be extrapolated to sustain live within its walls and on the outer surface by use of the same artificial weather and lighting that would supply the inside? They would have more than enough raw energy to do literally anything they wished.
@gda86pl
3 жыл бұрын
@@sir_lanian read niven ringworld
@yoloswaggins1579
3 жыл бұрын
"The object's enormous mass makes it harder to detect" "But Data, why?" "Because reasons, captain.
@JM-cf9xy
3 жыл бұрын
Gravimetric interference 🥴
@lyianx
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, if you look at current Radar, you do a scan, and you detect a blip, indicating a plane or bird. The amount of space that blip takes up compared to the screen is tiny. If you did a radar pass, and your entire screen was filled, you'd think your radar was fucked up, and not conceive that it was working fine and it was detecting an enormous object. Or it was getting so much signal back, it didnt know how the process it. I know they basically made up a reason, but the logic behind it is fairly plausible.
@JM-cf9xy
3 жыл бұрын
@@lyianx no its not stfu
@007Hutchings
3 жыл бұрын
@@JM-cf9xy You are so maaaaaad right now!
@genejeffries2888
3 жыл бұрын
Plausible? Ummmm... your cruising around in warp drive and you detect a WALL. Thats not really the kind of sensor "blip" you ignore. There is a name for sensor techs who do that sort of thing... subatomic particles.
@zemxxi2765
8 жыл бұрын
Too bad they wasted the Dyson Sphere concept in this episode. You have something as awesome as this and it's the same episode featuring the return of Scotty, which of course, properly took center stage. They should have saved the Dyson Sphere for an episode where that and nothing else could be the focus. And the Jenolen in this episode could have been stranded on any old space hulk and the story would have been the same.
@stars9084
8 жыл бұрын
They said specifically in the episode that they didn't have the engineering know-how to do it
@mo_fanthe_magic_god7954
7 жыл бұрын
the sphere is constructed by pure neutronium material that is at least as dense as a neutron star core that even borg cannot produce, it is so dense and hard that even start fleet vessels weapons have no effect of scratching those hull, they cannot even take the sample from it,
@girlgarde
7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to have seen a follow up episode regarding the Dyson Sphere and it getting explored by a Federation expedition led by the Enterprise, it's so vast though that to explore it all would be well beyond the capacity of one episode, one movie or even an entire series devoted to exploring the Dyson Sphere. The Federation would probably have to have a long term expedition to fully explore the interior of the Dyson Sphere and even that would take years, even decades.
@MonkeyMarkMario
6 жыл бұрын
If you read the books this happens a year after this episode, but something really incredible happens . . . what you thought I was going to ruin it. The book by the way is "Star Trek The Next Generation Dyson Sphere"
@fuzzyscarfandmittens4772
6 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the reason they couldn't explore it because the sun was unstable and emitting too many solar flares? Or what that why the people that built it eventually abandonned it.?
@QixTheDS
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Picard’s reaction to it possibly being a Dyson Sphere. It’s exactly how I would react at first. That would be a wonder to behold. And then of the course the sheer dread of realizing what it would take to build and that whoever did build it must’ve been very terrifyingly advanced.
@NameCallingIsWeak
3 жыл бұрын
If E=mc2 is not BS, then if they could turn energy into matter, then the star's energy could be turned into raw material.
@calanon534
3 жыл бұрын
One fleeting thought might've been: "How many lesser civilizations did they eradicate to build this?"
@NameCallingIsWeak
3 жыл бұрын
@@calanon534 "lesser civilizations did they eradicate" How many libraries of books never to be read again. Makes the fire at the library of Alexandria look like someone losing their hard drive.
@calanon534
3 жыл бұрын
@@NameCallingIsWeak Terrifying to think about. Really. I mean, The Borg are one thing. They're basically a rogue computer virus that consumes all - no feeling, no emotion. This? This was made by a Civilization at least an order of magnitude more powerful than the Alpha Quadrant Primary Powers of that day, combined. A civilization doubtless with its own art, artists, history, dreamers, and explorers. The thought that a Civilization like that **might** have wiped out a "lesser" one just to build that thing.. it's terrifying. ...come to think of it, I just realized all the possible parallels with "colonizers" that're being complained about in our current social climate. That both intrigues and scares me.
@kalynaq7720
3 жыл бұрын
@@calanon534 Like, i mean... "Advanced" isn't the right word. Even when technology is magic like in the show something this big would take a horrifying number of civilizations' worth of dedication, endless individuals sacrificing themselves toward this project they'd never see the culminated.
@98wongjf
4 жыл бұрын
RIP Freeman Dyson (15 December 1923 - 28 February 2020)
@xmuzel
3 жыл бұрын
Damn he got 96 years old
@kadindarklord
3 жыл бұрын
@@xmuzel Which is sad, because he actually hated this episode's depiction of one. He said years later that it was supposed to be more of a spirally shape.
@Triterion7
3 жыл бұрын
@@kadindarklord Should have called it Dyson Spiral then , lol
@charlessands6933
3 жыл бұрын
@@kadindarklord if it's supposed to surround a star, how could it be anything but spherical?
@kadindarklord
3 жыл бұрын
@@charlessands6933 I'm just telling you what he said.
@tigersebel
7 жыл бұрын
I hate how this was the same episode where scotty returned. Don't get me wrong. i love this episode but we didn't got enough of this dyson sphere. too many unanswered questions like: who build it? Where are the Builders? etc. This episode focused too much on scotty. Scotty should have returned in another episode. not this one.
@dschehutinefer5627
7 жыл бұрын
Well, at least now we have Star Trek Online for this. The Dyson Sphere exploration zone is one of my favourite places in the game. It has a severe Stargate Atlantis vibe. Exploring the ruins of a lost civilization, everything full of bizarre architecture and deadly ancient technology, puzzling together piece by piece who build it and why. Not to mention the sheer epicness of hovering above the cityscape in its inside with your ship.
@dreamyrhodes
7 жыл бұрын
The Iconians?
@dschehutinefer5627
7 жыл бұрын
Not quite, actually. But they borrowed their technology for it. The story is actually quite interesting. ;)
@dreamyrhodes
7 жыл бұрын
Dschehuti Nefer Unfortunately the game is so complicated, unbalanced and a poorly documente mess that anyone who doesn't have too much time to figure out how to build a DPS ship will never get that far to meet the Iconians in game.
@dschehutinefer5627
7 жыл бұрын
What?!? As a very casual player who commands a supporting science ship since ever, I really can't understand your gripe. Especially since the oh so famed DPS built is the laziest and most uncomplicated way to play the game. Honestly, as long as you don't build yourself a rainbow boat, you can't do all that much wrong.
@perfectionbox
3 жыл бұрын
"Why did your people also build a planet-sized disc?" "Oh, that. It was the only way to get rid of our Flat Earthers. We moved them there."
@mikevanroy9356
3 жыл бұрын
Uh, guys, uh... you ain't gonna believe this. We were right, but not in the way we thought!
@umbrellacorporationwuhanfa3731
3 жыл бұрын
It's flat.
@flatmoon6359
3 жыл бұрын
I'm still here,missed the bus,too late to go,????.
@a.hollins8691
3 жыл бұрын
The disc is spherical! Wake up sheeple!
@shadowtheimpure
3 жыл бұрын
There IS a theoretical construct, called the Alderson Disk. It's essentially the ultimate "Flat World". It's a giant disk several thousand miles thick with a star in the central hole.
@BuzzKirill3D
7 жыл бұрын
Yes, its somewhat a pity that they didn't explore the Dyson concept more thoroughly in the episode, BUT more importantly is they name-dropped it, such a huge and awesome sci-fi concept, into the mind of the young watcher, broadening their horizon. That's what I believe TNG is very good at - introducing far-reaching concepts without sacrificing too much of the scientific fidelity by going into any too-specific detail about it. Too bad the reboot dropped that in favor of action sequences.
@a.hollins8691
3 жыл бұрын
TNG told personal stories using sci-fi concepts as a backdrop, occasionally using humor, action, or interpersonal relationships to flesh them out. Nu Trek shuffles poorly realized characters around into sci-fi action sequences tied together with a flimsy, faux-epic story entirely based around interpersonal relationships. Exactly the opposite of "What Star Trek Is" according to Roddenberry.
@Andros2709
3 жыл бұрын
The novelized version of this episode goes a bit deeper in the story: a landing party led by Riker actually explores the interior of the sphere toward the end, only to find it devoid of any life. I read it 20 years ago, so I don't remember much.
@calvingoodall4939
3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty wild that Freeman Dyson was still alive at the time of this airing.
@vesoha
3 жыл бұрын
Properly not enjoying that they misunderstood his concept. :)
@Alucard-gt1zf
3 жыл бұрын
@@vesoha how so?
@vesoha
3 жыл бұрын
@@Alucard-gt1zf A Dyson Sphere is placed around the star (sun) and is used to harvest the energy. The idea is, that we won't be able to produce enough energy from a single planet (earth) but if we could tap into the energy of the sun it would provide us with enough energy to explore and expand our race into space. But you don't live in it or on it. The sphere part is not to be taken literal, but seen as alot of small structures in a grid creating a net around the sun. Ofcourse the series can imagine it as it likes, but in regards to Dyson this was not it. :)
@kinbolluck476
Жыл бұрын
MOOJAHADEEN
@nicoliedolpot7213
Жыл бұрын
@@vesoha also it would be a lot smaller; about halfway between mercury and the sun, since the energy gained is the same density-wise for far less material and construction time (only having to tear apart mercury and the asteroid belt)
@Cobalt985
3 жыл бұрын
STP Picard: "I never cared much for sci-fi" Actual, canonical Picard: Has read _at least_ Star Maker thoroughly.
@derworfnet
3 жыл бұрын
Of all the "head hitting my desk"-moments I had watching PIC... this was definately one of them. This was just Patrick Stewart subtly breaking the fourth wall. kzitem.info/news/bejne/t6Kou398bWJqaIY
@nbartlett6538
7 жыл бұрын
The final shot is a close-up of the sphere with the Enterprise... there is absolutey no way the curvature of the sphere should have been detectable!
@TomalakGeretkal
6 жыл бұрын
That was my first thought, too, though I appreciate that the production team took the effort of making the shot last longer than usual to show that actually the Enterprise could keep sailing into the distance for a very long time before it hit the surface. That is, the perspective is not what you think it is.
@phils4634
6 жыл бұрын
Yes. For the radius stated, the surface would have appeared completely flat for any observer, even one in orbit. The distance to visible horizon would be measured in tens of thousands of km, so a realistic representation would be the ship flying alongside a continuous, flat sheet.
@RBweb24
6 жыл бұрын
I was just about to comment about that.
@NyuuMikuru1
6 жыл бұрын
And the peeps who says sphere is a globe is a rare thing indeed. Even inside the sphere would be extremely hard to prove it’s round since you can only see so far since it would be blocked by clouds thousands of kilometers away.
@UteGirlz
6 жыл бұрын
You can argue that the Enterprise was still far enough away for the surface to look curved. Like an object being 50000 km above Earth rather than 500 m. I'd say it's more implausible to even see the surface being lit up all. It should be almost pitch black as there are not light sources other than distant stars.
@westonarce846
9 жыл бұрын
That's no moon...
@Syrinx69
8 жыл бұрын
+Weston Arce Haha funny thing is the Death Star would be a grain of sand compared to this thing.
@rogeriopenna9014
8 жыл бұрын
+Weston Arce considering it´s as large as a red giant star, it´s obviously no moon.
@rolandwolff1490
8 жыл бұрын
+Weston Arce "that's yo momma!"
@andaikatalah
6 жыл бұрын
Weston Arce it's a star harvester
@machinimaaddictfilmz2029
6 жыл бұрын
Target The federation ship, single reaction ignition.
@neelp8064
3 жыл бұрын
One of the finest moments of Star Trek
@Gylfi0
10 жыл бұрын
this must be the peak of sci-fi awesomeness
@FaustLimbusCompany
8 жыл бұрын
Nah, Xeelee Ring is.
@Gylfi0
8 жыл бұрын
is it? what is that?
@5000mahmud
7 жыл бұрын
+Gylfi0 big
@MrTiti
6 жыл бұрын
it was so peak, i come on its northern hemisphere.
@Scarletraven87
4 жыл бұрын
I see an Atreides
@MahsaKaerra
7 жыл бұрын
A surface area equivalent to 250 million Class-M planets, eh? That would be a game changer for galactic power politics, perhaps more so than the discovery of the Bajoran wormhole, and we all know what that led to. Even if the Federation vowed not to even touch it after the end of this episode, the mere existence of 250 million planet's worth of commercial and industrial potential would certainly provoke an angry response from the Federation's neighbors.
@yes4motivation
7 жыл бұрын
MahsaKaerra I think the dominion should investigate this.
@mathiasbartl9393
7 жыл бұрын
The by far most valuable object in galaxy built by the most powerful civilization ever to have existed I would say.
@stars9084
7 жыл бұрын
Problem is it was probably too dangerous to use given the trouble with the star inside
@riekomomose7198
7 жыл бұрын
The one civilization that builds it be like - *L E V E R A G E*
@Kujakuseki01
7 жыл бұрын
If harnessed, it would be the best source of power in the galaxy.
@GiorgiSukhitashvili
8 жыл бұрын
Unlike Captain, I am a little surprised "number one" did not know what Dyson Sphere was
@swiety765
8 жыл бұрын
+Giorgi Sukhitashvili There are many things Riker never heard of. I'm glad he at least can play trombone.
@blackSUAAAVE
8 жыл бұрын
+Giorgi Sukhitashvili - Of course, Riker 'not knowing' what it was was for convenience of explaining what it was, but I'm sure everyone knows this.
@swiety765
8 жыл бұрын
blackSUAAAVE I see that, but screenwrters didn't have to make Riker ignorant repeatedly. There're other ways to explain that kind of stuff to audience.
@ChillingSpartan
8 жыл бұрын
+Giorgi Sukhitashvili I am not surprised of Riker. I am a little surprised of Worf and expected something like "Sir! I recommend raising shields and use of quantum torpedos. Maybe hostile aliens could live inside."
@power01rajo
8 жыл бұрын
+Sparta one little nitpick, quantum torpedoes were not active in starfleet at that time
@TheKrensada
7 жыл бұрын
0:22 I love how Riker just matter-of-factly pulls that trivia out of his ass.
@Not5id
3 жыл бұрын
Classic Star Trek: Have a really complicated concept explained by a simple analogy. Futurama nailed it when they parodied Star Trek lol.
@magicmulder
3 жыл бұрын
Riker: “It looks like a Zune.” Data: “Commander, what is a Zune?” Riker: “It was a utility product from the 20th century, designed by Wilbur Cobblebottom and mostly sold to fans of Acid House.” Data: “Your vast knowledge never ceases to amaze me.”
@a.hollins8691
3 жыл бұрын
A real space man from Earth would have said, "That's nearly one AU."
@dboymax1
3 жыл бұрын
@@a.hollins8691 In one version of Star Trek TMP The Vger cloud was going to be originally 82 AU in size!
@mattc3581
3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat inaccurate though, so probably should have left it in his ass. 200million km is nearly the orbital diameter of Venus, so if you're happy that 'Venus has about the same orbital diameter as Earth', then he was right. Poor Riker :(
@Ostermond
5 жыл бұрын
250 million Class-M Planets. Like Earth. Earth today has 7 billion people living on it. That would be approximately 1.75 _quintillion_ people inside, if there were any.
@ThePoshboy1
4 жыл бұрын
I doubt it would be capable of sustaining life, its main use would probably be energy collection or resource development.
@Sight-Beyond-Sight
3 жыл бұрын
Even if we took all the material (planets included) from our solar system, we probably couldn't even make a belt at Earth's orbit, let alone an entire sphere.
@picallo1
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sight-Beyond-Sight The amount of material needed would take millions of years to gather let alone build something of this size.
@raiden000
3 жыл бұрын
why couldnt 100 people live in there exactly? why does it have to be 0 or 1.75 quintillion lol some tier 3 civilization's wealthy vacation home.
@joeridestrijcker445
3 жыл бұрын
@@picallo1 that's why books/theories like 'Ringworld' come into play... instead of a full sphere, just a 'strip'
@jeremymiller9582
3 жыл бұрын
This should be its own series - deep space [random number], exploring an ancient artifact with such an immense surface area that they could tell any story they wanted. You could even have the natives be there, and say their life signs were “occluded” somehow with their technology when the Enterprise visited. Maybe only a few of them survived in stasis after some sort of cataclysm. So much potential. And frankly, the first season, regardless of whatever overarching story you want to tell, basically writes itself.
@waveman0
3 жыл бұрын
Star Trek Online did do a series involving a moving dyson sphere memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Solanae_Dyson_Sphere
@discojoe3
7 жыл бұрын
Lol @ Riker acting like he hadn't heard about Dyson spheres just for the sake of exposition.
@Kujakuseki01
7 жыл бұрын
Well, it is theoretical science from the 20th century 300+ years later. It's more of a surprise that Picard DOES know what it is.
@Beateau
3 жыл бұрын
"Why didn't we detect that thing before coming out of warp" "Well sir, because it's so big!" Pretty sure they have encountered stars bigger than the Earth's orbit before and detected them just fine...
@Error-zg2if
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but there like close AF it's going to look like a fricking wall onn the radar
@jayhome2715
3 жыл бұрын
This was single handedly the greatest scientific discovery for the Federation and they casually treat it like a curiosity. Only a Class 3 civilization could construction such a structure. And the Federation is barely a Class 2 civilization. The technological wonders that would be inside that sphere would be literally like magic to the Federation. Like a caveman discovering the Enterprise. And they never revisit this thing in any of the episodes. Literally every civilization in the Milky Way Galaxy would be clambering to research this thing.
@nathancawley8759
3 жыл бұрын
Correction - Dyson Sphere/Swarm is K-2 Tech/Engineering as it only takes the energy from 1 star. A K-3 civilization would have a Dyson Sphere/Swarm on every star in an entire galaxy.
@drflaggstaff9008
2 жыл бұрын
Star fleet has repeatedly catalogued beings and civilizations 'too far' beyond them and basically filed it under "Stuff we're not ready for" This is probably the one instance of them discovering a more advanced species and escaping without being played with.
@JoeSchmoeVideos
8 жыл бұрын
Looks like they just found KIC 8462852
@StanAlter
8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Schmoe Beat me too it!
@mattawd
8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Schmoe I really do hope it's aliens. I know it's a bit too much but I would love to know that were not alone in the universe
@davecrupel2817
8 жыл бұрын
mehhhh no. we wouldnt even detect something like this because no light whatsoever leaves it. Almost though lol
@Adohleas
8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Cannata We would be able to detect abandoned or partial dyson spheres. Abandoned ones would eventually clump up like space junk thus allowing the sun to shine through again. However it would be hard for us to know if it was any of those just by seeing it from so far away.
@davecrupel2817
8 жыл бұрын
Adohleas Perhaps....
@smar3167
3 жыл бұрын
25+ years later I still get giddy at this scene and Picard in amazement of seeing a Dyson Sphere irl
@kuribayashi84
11 жыл бұрын
By the way, there is a ST-Novel called "Dyson Sphere" that acts as a Sequel to this Episode. Its about the Enterprise and another Starship returning to the Sphere in Order to further Explore it. Its a rather Dry Novel, 'Hard Sci-Fi' if you will, but a fascinating read all the same... and it makes perfectly clear how freakingly HUGE this Thing is.
@samcoon6699
3 жыл бұрын
"A Dyson sphere!" " Yes number one, centuries ago, there were machines that would vacuum up the 3 Ds." "The 3 Ds, Sir?" " Yes, dust, dirt and debris." "It often scared dogs and some small children but was used extensively for decades during the 20th and 21st centuries." "Dyson invented the extremely expensive version and used a sphere to roll around on instead of individual wheels." " That's incredible!" "Yes, yes it was Number 1."
@MrJethroha
3 жыл бұрын
The fact that the sphere is reflecting light as if its a planet reflecting light from a nearby star is silly. There's an easy reason they couldn't detect it, its perfectly dark! It shouldn't have wierd gravity because it's exactly the same as a normal solar system.
@masonwheeler6536
3 жыл бұрын
It's not perfectly dark. It should be giving off blackbody radiation consistent with the full output of a star being trapped and re-emitted. (We actually know what that should theoretically look like, and it's a pretty distinctive signature, quite different from a star. Astronomers have looked, and found no examples of it in what we can see of the heavens.)
@MrJethroha
3 жыл бұрын
@@masonwheeler6536 True, but the way that its rendered in the show is that it has a light and a dark side, like there's something else shining on it, when the idea is that it'd contain the whole solar system. The fact that it reflects light at all means that it should be easily detectable, no need for gravometric-gobbledygook. I just wish the show got more creative with the way it displays information.
@FPSGuy100
3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJethroha It could be a system with multiple stars, but I'm not sure if that's mentioned.
@nigeldepledge3790
3 жыл бұрын
There's two things they get completely wrong here. First, a Dyson "sphere" must radiate strongly in the infrared. It would be detectable from hundreds of light-years away. Second, a sphere would be impossible. If it is a rigid structure, it can't ever have a stable orbit. Any slight perturbation (such as a solar flare) would cause it to collide with the star. This is ignoring the inherent difficulties in making a hollow sphere that large that could maintain structural rigidity. What Dyson actually proposed was a swarm of many millions of smaller orbiting objects. If sufficiently numerous, they would collectively harvest all of the energy radiated by the star. And they could be placed into orbits that would be stable enough for decades or centuries.
@Shade01982
3 жыл бұрын
Well, Dyson never meant an actual physical sphere in his theorem to be honest... So, they kinda got it wrong here.
@nigeldepledge3790
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shade01982 - Yes. Although I didn't mention it, Dyson did actually know that a sphere wouldn't work.
@mabiniss2
2 жыл бұрын
A sufficiently advanced civilization capable of building a Dyson Sphere would have solved all of that. Who's to even say the star itself isn't artificially controlled in some way in the first place?
@nigeldepledge3790
2 жыл бұрын
@@mabiniss2 - it was all solved some fifty or so years ago. All that remains is the engineering challenge. Why on earth (or anywhere else, for that matter) would an advanced civilisation re-invent the wheel? Besides, it doesn't matter how advanced a civilisation becomes, because the laws of orbital mechanics will be the same in a thousand years as they are now. As for some magical technology that could control a star - that's firmly in the realm of fantasy. Here's something that often gets forgotten: while our current science does not know everything, our present understanding of the fundamentals of the universe is, at the very least, a good approximation to the truth. We know it's not complete, but we also know that it's not outright wrong. Thus, in the same way we can conceive of the idea of a Dyson swarm without having the technology to build one, we should be able to conceive of the underlying principles involved in controlling a star.
@greencello599
Жыл бұрын
The Dyson Sphere was never really mentioned again outside of Star Trek Online, primarily because it was a plot device to bring Scotty into the episode. There are a number of things seen in various Trek series that are never mentioned again or just touched on. Examples include Lal, the planetoid in the Gamma Quadrant populated by two armies forever locked into killing each other repeatedly, the event that shrunk the Runabout, the human colony in the Delta Quadrant, the breaking of Warp 10 and its consequences(which were mildly referenced in Star Trek Prodigy), the slipstream drive used briefly by Voyager, the new disease named after Barclay, Daystrom's homicidal super computer, the time traveling aliens harvesting 19th century San Francisco. These and many more events, tech, and species, are one-off episodes usually. It happens in TV series.
@n.w7333
5 жыл бұрын
Imagine the raw materials required to build
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
Don't give China any ideas.
@Ragitsu
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dowlphin Fuck you, Sinophobe.
@Dowlphin
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ragitsu It is uncommon to find such a complete muppet in a STTNG comment section.
@Ragitsu
3 жыл бұрын
@@Dowlphin I agree: a right-wing _Star Trek_ "fan" such as yourself is an absurd concept.
@Dowlphin
3 жыл бұрын
@@Ragitsu And yet you fool don't question your absurd perceptions.
@grabatar
3 жыл бұрын
This is Season 6, episode 4 Star Trek: The Next Generation S06 E04 Relics I wanted to find the episode, i found it and figured someone else might wanna check out the episode.
@scotth6814
3 жыл бұрын
In an episode of TOS ("Assignment: Earth"), there was a time-traveler visiting Earth. When asked where he was from, he said that his star system was hidden and unknown to The Federation. I thought at the time that it was preposterous that you could cloak a star. I never thought of a Dyson Sphere. There could be a link made here.
@dtothee8730
3 жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting theory.
@davidwestfall8341
3 жыл бұрын
It was a planet Gary Seven was referring to, not a star.
@asagoldsmith3328
3 жыл бұрын
Also a dyson sphere would release a massive amount of infrared radiation which would be totally detectable
@Alucia0
3 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly STO says that the Dyson Spheres were made by the Iconians/ I know it's Beta but still a cool idea.
@mcdonaldscoupons1701
3 жыл бұрын
I really wish more TOS concepts were revisited. The Kelvans....
@Jodie842
11 жыл бұрын
A dyson shell (of satellites) is a more realistic option.
@bramvanduijn8086
3 жыл бұрын
That's what it starts out as, but as you add more satellites it at some point becomes easier to just connect them to each other. At first with communication beams, then wires, and eventually just combine two satellites into one bigger satellite. Repeat until you've closed the sphere.
@megabojan1993
8 жыл бұрын
*SPOILER ALERT* Too bad the dyson sphere was deserted when they discovered it. I really wanted to see it's inhabitants.
@bobbyjohnsonsebastian8527
8 жыл бұрын
+MegaBojan1993 spoiler alert (for those who haven't seen it yet despite decades since it first aired)
@megabojan1993
8 жыл бұрын
Bobby Johnson Sebastian You were right my comment is indeed a spoiler alert. I've edited my comment now.
@bobbyjohnsonsebastian8527
8 жыл бұрын
Actually, I was kind of criticizing myself and others for not having seen this episode yet. Sorry if I made it sound like I was criticizing you.
@megabojan1993
8 жыл бұрын
Bobby Johnson Sebastian That's quite alright :)
@Ozzy_2014
8 жыл бұрын
actually we have no idea if its deserted. no one left in control perhaps but deserted. 200 million earth's surface gives weeks perhaps to find anyone. maybe descendants of the builders are post technological. no longer having a need to keep it.
@thekingofcardboard
Жыл бұрын
"I've located the distress signal. It appears to be coming from a point on the northern hemisphere." Thanks Worf. I'll get my magnifying glass and start looking.
@vertsk8er419
8 жыл бұрын
Some say that "Sphere" powered the largest Vacuum in Space...
@MurasakiBunny
6 жыл бұрын
It made for a lot of "fans" too.
@sinchez9678
5 жыл бұрын
This joke sucked... but at least it didn't fall flat.
@howardasternfan
5 жыл бұрын
After three years there are only 20 likes! What's wrong with people?
@bsdude010
3 жыл бұрын
Like on Space Balls?
@ppppugh7892
3 жыл бұрын
"Vacuum" and "space" in the same sentence? Whatever next!
@terrywest111
10 жыл бұрын
If you all want to visit this Dyson sphere, all you gotta do is join Star Trek Online. :p
@killit95
9 жыл бұрын
That's where I first heard about the Dyson Sphere. I never heard about Freeman Dyson until now. It's awesome how they mastered the Dyson Sphere theory in Star Trek!
@capngloval
3 жыл бұрын
I love that they are geeking out about a dyson's sphere while I am geeking out about star trek.
@IznbranahlGoose
3 жыл бұрын
I always thought this was a huge 'missed opportunity' in Star Trek. Surface area of 250 million class-M planets yet the story has nothing to do with the population that built it, anyone currently living there, or why it was abandoned.
@adrenjones9301
3 жыл бұрын
If anyone was even living in there, could just be that the site harvested energy to produce Anti-Matter the whole time. Which would probably enough to Power the Federation for Generations. Its kinda crazy how little energy the Starfleet actually needs.
@peoplez129
2 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine the species that built it simply died off naturally after thousands and thousands of years of inhabiting the place. Or they ascended. It could potentially be the Q that built it, and they just left it. Or it could have been built by AI's for a civilization, but the civilization didn't last to see it while the AI still kept building and maintaining it. The biggest problem with a dyson sphere is it's soo massive, it could house trillions of people, basically every civilization in the galaxy and then some. So a civilization that actually built and used it, would have to be bigger than every civilization in the galaxy combined, which is unlikely. Even a large civilization would only need a teeny tiny fraction, so you'd more likely see dyson discs or plates rather than spheres. Basically, any civilization that can build a dyson sphere, would already be beyond a type 3 civilization, just in a more condensed form. So the only likely conclusion is that it was built in an automated fashion without ever being used or only used when it was in a smaller less complete state, and probably completed long after that civilization was gone. AI's could have been building that place for billions of years after the civilization was gone.
@MyGamer125
4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is, Dyson never intended for it to be an actual sphere. It was supposed to be a swarm of smaller satellites collecting energy
@michaelesposito2629
3 жыл бұрын
Yes. In a spherical shape....
@leeboy26
3 жыл бұрын
Which makes more sense. I mean, where the hell would you get all the metal from?
@jonathantrevatt4167
3 жыл бұрын
@@leeboy26 Capturing nearby asteroids
@malik87breaker
3 жыл бұрын
It's for us dum dums. So much easier to imagine if it's shaped like that :D
@a.hollins8691
3 жыл бұрын
@@leeboy26 Recycled cans
@LordSantiagor
8 жыл бұрын
It is now the 21st century and you can get your Dyson ball at Best Buy for $499.
@garyzod8818
7 жыл бұрын
Bollocks
@richardgates7479
6 жыл бұрын
A $49 value.
@mm-gl7sz
3 жыл бұрын
That's right! The Dyson sphere is part of the Dyson ball vacuum
@nelsoncabrera6464
3 жыл бұрын
Lanei Chapman (Ensign Sariel Rager) was only 18 years old when this episode came out. I can't believe she's nearing fifty now. Where did the years go? I feel so ancient.
@NOTNOTJON
3 жыл бұрын
So lemme get this straight. A civilization went to all the effort to move literally millions of planets worth of materials arround this star and build an enclosure only to abandon it because the star was unstable? Sounds like the city planners of Winnipeg were on the forefront of this job.
@donbrynelsen2157
4 жыл бұрын
"An actual Dyson Sphere. Can you imagine the engineering skill needed to even design such a structure?" -Scotty
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
I bet it helped tremendously that it is in a vacuum.
@aptspire
3 жыл бұрын
All right, who's the Stellaris player who misplaced their Dyson Sphere?
@jjfajen
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatFetcherFargoth Dyson spheres can spawn in a Stellaris galaxy as a ruined megastructure. As far as I know, each megastructure in the game can only have 1 ruined version spawn in the galaxy so finding one is pretty rare. Once you repair the thing or build your own it provides a ton of energy. Like 4 times the amount that a perfect dedicated generator world of large size with bonuses to energy production. The trailer for the DLC that adds them really hypes them up kzitem.info/news/bejne/uqOsraB4f5N3eIo
@obi89
3 жыл бұрын
@@ThatFetcherFargoth They are part of the end-game content.
@rrrr2150
3 жыл бұрын
lol
@Shade01982
3 жыл бұрын
@@jjfajen You can also build new ones instead of just repairing a megastructure. The biggest problem is that by the time you have the tech to build them, they're fairly pointless...
@fatalheal
2 жыл бұрын
It's too bad they didn't make this a two part episode, going more in depth about the inhabitants and where they may have gone. I'm sure this could have been an even better episode but this one is definitely one of my favorites.👍
@bobby1602
3 жыл бұрын
That time scotty blew trekkies minds by creating and surviving in a transporter loop for 80 years
@patinho5589
3 жыл бұрын
The curvature on the final shot is way off.. for that size of object if should look almost a straight line.
@Liwet.
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's ovular or disc shaped.
@lyianx
3 жыл бұрын
@@Liwet. and yet, in the shot earlier when they were far away, it was a sphere.
@pspboy7
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, if they were orbiting the sphere, the sheer massive diameter of the object would look linear in comparison to their ship.
@comical4609
3 жыл бұрын
So Ryker, scientifically minded like every Federation officer, knows the near precise diameter of the earth's orbit around the sun but has never heard of a Dyson's Sphere before?
@emotown1
3 жыл бұрын
Well, since the Dyson sphere concept would never a) be feasible (the material mass required to build a sphere of radius 1 A.U. of any useful thickness would be greater than the mass of an entire solar system!) and b) would offer no advantage (who wants to live in a zero g environment? what advanced civilization needs to power itself using all the sun's radiant energy?) , we can assume that the concept was consigned to the waste bin of history. Reiker never heard about it because it's a pointless concept that no one could or would implement. Thanks for reading.
@55Quirll
Жыл бұрын
Another structure, that isn't mentioned in any Sci-fi movies, is a Ring World. It is a literal ring around a star. There is the Ring World book by Niven that gives a great description of it. It even describes the mechanics of night-time on the Ring World.
@wheatleywholivesinspace5610
3 жыл бұрын
A Dyson Sphere is, sadly, a self-eating technology. If you are so advanced that you can build one of these, you don't need to build one of these.
@argonwheatbelly637
3 жыл бұрын
@@kukuc96 : Even a Ringworld is far more advanced than his initial notion...and they used slide rules to build that. ;-)
@Brukner841
3 жыл бұрын
@@kukuc96 People don't seem to grasp the ridiculously exponential growth that smart automation will grant us this century.
@FaqUrNwoBS
3 жыл бұрын
@@kukuc96 yes and in 20 years we will colonize planets in Orion
@RealnoMis
3 жыл бұрын
I know this reply is a bit late so i hope you do no take offense in me responding :D But we as a society now, humans year 2021 do have the technology to build a Dyson Sphere. The technology required isnt high. But it would take an insane amount of time. We could mine the inner planets for resources to produce drones that we send out with a huge planetary trebuchet and use the same kind of guiding system we use for mars missions to have these drones to interlink/connect and form the Dyson Sphere. It would probably take many thousands of years to do, but we have the technology. So let me bore you with some head canon for this story: The civilization whom built this sphere started the automated process many many many thousands of years ago, but went extinct before the process was finished. So the civilization who started building the sphere wasnt much more advanced than the federation, but didnt live long enough to see the project completed. This does still not adress the elephant in the room tho, any kardashev 1 civilization like humanity or the federation as a whole would be getting a huge boost by getting to the point of kardashev 2 through the dyson sphere. A huge Galactic War would be fought over control of the Dyson Sphere since, as they mention in the episode. The inside surface could house millions of worlds worth of people. Or millions of worlds worth of production area with an insane power source.
@Dotanalyst
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Q snapped this entire thing into existence in an instant out of boredom.
@rolan638
9 жыл бұрын
Now i want to watch star trek :(
@pirobot668beta
3 жыл бұрын
And at this point, a new series could have sprung to life...
@emsleywyatt3400
5 жыл бұрын
For those who are interested there is a follow-on novel called, appropriately enough, "Dyson Sphere". The concept also gets explored in the "Orbitsville" trilogy by Bob Shaw.
@MrStevemur
2 жыл бұрын
I don't realise how much I crave utopian TV until I look back at these episodes. Down with the 'reality' shows that are a million variations on everyone backstabbing everyone else.
@protorhinocerator142
3 жыл бұрын
A lot of problems with this episode. a. Scotty putting himself in "suspended animation" within a transporter beam. b. If you were far enough away to see the curvature, you wouldn't be close enough to see the surface of the sphere, unless there was another star right there, which causes more problems. c. Nobody ever came back to this Dyson Sphere to explore, investigate, or colonize. d. The existence of such a structure would lead to war over its control, just like the stable wormhole near Bajor. e. Seriously nobody went back to search for advanced technology? You could have multiple teams spending centuries exploring this thing. It would change the course of societal evolution. f. Nobody found this long ago by the existence of a gravity well without a star? g. The whole thing where the Enterprise was about to fall into the sun. Rookie mistake not establishing an orbit upon entering. h. The lack of a lagrange point between the outer shell and the sun for the Enterprise to stabilize into.
@Terminator484
3 жыл бұрын
(b) The fact that they can even see the exterior at all is silly. Ambient starlight would be insufficient to illuminate it. The shell would, however, likely be glowing red-hot from so much thermal waste energy. That is, if Trek even heard about the laws of thermodynamics, which it generally seems to be immune to. (f) The influence of a hidden star's gravity field would have mostly localized effects. Starships could easily pass by without noticing, especially if this object is located in a population void or away from any shipping lanes... which it must be, to have gone unnoticed for so long. Even an object as big as the Earth's orbit around the Sun would be like a mote of dust compared to the vastness of a single lightyear. (g) The Enterprise being disabled by the alien tractor beams was apparently soft-retconned by the end of the commercial break... but yes, they totally should have been able to put plenty of distance between them and the misbehaving star at the center -- just orbiting at 80 to 90% of the sphere's radius would have probably been quite safe for a long time. (h) A solid shell would not have a single Lagrange point, but instead have a spherical zone... but it would depend on the mass and gravitational effect on the shell. If the shell is thin enough, the altitude of this stability point would be extremely close to the shell's inner surface... perhaps just a few meters above whatever artificial-gravity field is being used to hold a biosphere on the inside surface. Really, a Dyson Sphere is extremely impractical, to the point that it might as well be a technical impossibility. The scale of the engineering and how to source this much mass isn't the problem; dismantling a planet the size of Earth would be enough mass. No, the issue is the structural integrity of the shell, which would require some sort of unobtanium to support itself against collapsing. Of course, Trek has all sorts of technobabble handwavium materials, so the writers would just say it's made of ultra-neutronium or something. A ring-world on the same scale would be somewhat more practical, and could at least rotate to produce a natural gravity-like effect. It still have the problem of delicately balancing being crushed by the gravity if it rotates too slowly, or flying apart at the seams if it goes too fast... and to generate Earthlike gravity by rotation, it would need to be moving too fast to hold together without some sort of super-material with a tensile strength that dwarfs even carbon fiber. Much more practical would be the "Dyson Swarm" concept, where billions/trillions of solar satellites and habitats would simply orbit the star, stacked up in so many overlapping orbits that the vast majority of the star's energy would be captured. This solves the whole problem of structural integrity, while also netting the same benefits of turning the society that builds the swarm into a Type-II Kardashev civilization.
@protorhinocerator142
3 жыл бұрын
@@Terminator484 Even if it was built out of unobtainium, there would have to be a north and south pole to it. The rotation would cause extra gravity at the equator and then diminishing amounts of gravity until you get to the pole, where there is none. Neutronium is solid neutrons, as in the material from a collapsed star, just short of becoming a black hole. It would generate its own gravity but probably way too much. Like you said, a swarm would solve the problem because smaller objects are in orbit around the sun. To approximate the sphere, you'd need several orbits swarming at different angles. For it to mask a star would require: 1. Overlapping orbits, to the point where the outer swarm would receive very little sunlight. 2. Much more material to create overlapping orbits, instead of one big one getting all the sunlight. And of course the big problem with the sphere would be, what happens when it starts shifting off-center and the sphere contacts the sun? The whole thing collapses and gets consumed. Additionally over time the sun would go red and engulf the inner volume of the sphere. By the time you get one built, the star is too old to be useful. Plot-wise it makes little sense that a race with the ability to make such a sphere would get completely wiped out while the sphere is still intact. That's just lazy writing.
@magicmulder
3 жыл бұрын
(e) Maybe they were doing it, it just takes ages to even understand the stuff they found. Drop the LHC in the Middle Ages and see how “quickly” they derive something useful to them. And the Dyson sphere tech is far more ahead than 500 years.
@mattc3581
3 жыл бұрын
Re (h): I don't think you would have a Lagrange point. You have one between a planet and a star but the sphere isn't a planet. I believe at any point inside a hollow sphere the gravitation effect from the sphere is zero, therefore the only gravitation effect would be from the star and you would fall towards it unless orbiting.
@protorhinocerator142
3 жыл бұрын
@@mattc3581 But then if that's true, the Dyson Sphere becomes pointless. People are supposed to live on the inside, with the sun being up. That means outward gravity away from the sun.
@brettb9194
3 жыл бұрын
oh, come on, a starship officer at Riker's level hasn't heard of a Dyson sphere? puh lease
@samsschool3639
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!, they made him look really stupid there
@Shade01982
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsschool3639 You're talking about something that's already not very well known in the current century (unless you're maybe a physicist or play Stellaris :P). Let alone 300+ years later? Do you know all the physics theories from 300 years ago?
@samsschool3639
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shade01982 well the problem is they kept doing this on the show to Riker, making him ask the audience questions in a uncreative way, wich made him look stupid. and besides YES, If you know how knowledge and information works, I am 100% sure that in 300 years the average Joe will be able to know a shit ton more what happened 300 years prior than what the average Joe did 300 years ago from today. but thats beside the point
@Shade01982
3 жыл бұрын
@@samsschool3639 I agree with you on Riker. They keep making him look stupid. But I definitely disagree on the second part. In fact, it looks like the exact opposite. The easier it becomes to obtain information, the less inclined people feel the need to actually learn something. Because the amount of information increases, the validity decreases (more fake and incorrect information). A very simple example is that less and less people know how to read a simple map, because navigation software has become more standard now. So, easy availability of information isn't the same as actually knowing stuff of the top of your head without having to look it up. Also, if Starfleet is somewhat similar to current navies, there wouldn't have been anything like this in their officers training. Picard just knows because he is f*cking Picard and is awesome 😀.
@samsschool3639
3 жыл бұрын
@@Shade01982 Yeah sure, why would you even want to learn to read maps when that is obsolete technolgy? I'm not sure if you are trying to red herring my ass or we are just talking over each other. You can learn almost anything today if you either have the curiosity or your profession requires you to know. So you are telling me that a senior officer, in fact the SECOND in command, of a EXPLORATION (not war) star vessel, THREE generations from today has not heard of the Kardashev Scale as part of his learning curriculum? OK, if you truly believe that then I cannot aruge Edit: Riker even knows in this same clip how large earth's orbit around the sun is by heart, that must be proof of his interest in Astronomy 😂😂😂
@michaelmurray258
3 жыл бұрын
I had the honor of hearing him speak back in the late 90's. Such a wonderfully fascinating man.
@jasonpatterson8091
3 жыл бұрын
Two major problems with this: 1. A Dyson sphere is inherently unstable. Because it's a sphere you can't get it to orbit the star, so any perturbation leads to a disastrous failure. You'd have to be able to pilot the entire sphere and/or star to keep things in place. A swarm makes more sense if you're going to try to harness a star's energy. 2. The interior of the sphere has no gravitational pull from the sphere - it's a terrible place to live. The exterior might be a different story. (Newton's shell theorem)
@richardpearson2999
3 жыл бұрын
We have a Dyson Ball in the cupboard under the stairs. It never loses any of its suction.
@penguinpie5056
5 жыл бұрын
i agree. the discovery of something like this would be truly profound. even looking at it as a source of raw materials.
@mito-pb8qg
3 жыл бұрын
The feeling this scene conveys. You'll get nothing like it from any Trek after Enterprise. Not for a second.
@eiohnanananunu9871
Жыл бұрын
In Star Trek Online, it was revealed to have been built by the Iconians.
@marktilley7222
3 жыл бұрын
“ ... in the northern hemisphere.” Really? What’s the frame of reference?
@michaelhackenschmidt6243
3 жыл бұрын
I would assume it is related to the orientation of the Milky Way. Our galaxy has a north and a south (top and bottom). Also a Star system has a north and south, depending on what axis the major planetes are rotating around their star. Or their scans show the magnetic field of the sphere (or the star inside) which has a north und southpole. Or ... it is a old Sci-Fi Series were certain things doesn't matter and are just fluff and the series in a whole should just be enjoyed ;)
@PCLoadLetter
3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t it have some sort of magnetic field? Or maybe a trench down the equator to fly X-wings through?
@Catubrannos
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhackenschmidt6243 Even so, the size of the northern hemisphere here would be worse than telling someone to pick you up in Earth's northern hemisphere. The area is so vast to render such a reference meaningless, the northern hemisphere of this thing is a dome with a height equivalent of the distance of Earth to the Sun. It would have made more sense to give a distance and vague bearing.
@darcybrummett7004
8 жыл бұрын
I just watched an episode of NASA Unexplained Files that mentioned a Dyson sphere. I had no idea that a was a real theory and a real person. Cool!
@RIDDICK0911
6 жыл бұрын
Almost everything in Start Trek was based on real life theories and science.
@paulferry7791
Жыл бұрын
I like the way it was depicted in Moonfall with the moon being the Dyson sphere around a white dwarf. This, on the show, I mean, l like sci-fi, but this is beyond fiction. Something of this magnitude with the resources required to build it would span millions, if not billions of years to construct.
@arthouston7361
Жыл бұрын
My only real beef with this was the idea that you could see curvature on the Dyson sphere, whereas if it actually enclosed a star, the Enterprise would see the edge in that picture as being nearly straight line, so that the eye could not see curvature.
@josebocanegra4477
3 жыл бұрын
The elements in this episode could have produced a superior Star Trek movie, better than some of the Star Trek movies that have been made.
@Andros2709
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe some day they will realize what an awesome concept they have wasted, and they will expand on it.
@davecrupel2817
7 жыл бұрын
I would like to see modern CGI do Dyson Spheres the justice they deserve
@SHabbIZZLEx
5 жыл бұрын
Yep...pls include this idea for Star Trek 4 movie
@DanielSan1776
5 жыл бұрын
That’s a good name I approve
@DionSidney
4 жыл бұрын
@Zerebrat Eightyseven Reminds me of Halo 4
@colormedubious4747
3 жыл бұрын
@@SHabbIZZLEx Star Trek 4 was the one with the whales.
@paradox7358
3 жыл бұрын
Riker, always the one to ask the layman's question.
@nargeta2
2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this episode it was the first time I ever heard of a dyson sphere, and I've been a huge fan of them ever since. I don't think we'll see one in our lifetime, which is unfortunate, but I am glad I was at least around long enough to experience the theories on them
@thewarmwind6171
Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of issues with the theory. Planets orbit stars do so in an elliptical orbit, but a Dyson sphere would have to be equally distanced at all points or else it would be doomed. Not only that, but even minor fluctuations from the sun could potentially shift gravity enough to start a chain reaction that once again would doom the sphere. Then there are the insane amounts of raw material needed to build one, and the insane amount of labour (or automated equivalent). Most modern scientists consider Dyson's theory implausible. The theory has been modified over time though. Now the best idea for capturing the waste energy of a star (ie the energy directed in all the directions other than the habitable planet) is a Dyson swarm, a swarm of small energy capturing sattilites that add up to a massive amount of surface area. It's been theorized that Mercury could be used as a source of materials in this endeavour.
@Xerock
3 жыл бұрын
"put us in synchronous orbit above that position." With an object that big, how in the hell could you possibly tell if you were or were not.
@obsoleteprofessor2034
3 жыл бұрын
GPS? Google Dyson?
@Revan2908
3 жыл бұрын
Bad writing that was overlooked. I don't think it would even be *necessary* for it to spin. It's not like that would create a day/night cycle.
@farab4391
3 жыл бұрын
@@Revan2908 the assumption is that it needs to spin to create artificial gravity on the inner surface of the sphere. but there's so many problems. it'll only work on the equator of the spin, anywhere else on the inside of the sphere the effects will be undesirable.
@piip4
3 жыл бұрын
@@farab4391 That's hardly a problem at all. The equator would have sufficient enough realestate.
@bramvanduijn8086
3 жыл бұрын
Well that's easy if the surface isn't perfectly smooth. If you look down and the surface isn't moving sideways, then you are in synchronous orbit. If the surface is perfectly smooth just park a probe on there to make it trackable.
@samsam2235
3 жыл бұрын
Dyson: "Damn, they found my hideaway."
@msigurko
3 жыл бұрын
I freaking love 90s star trek!!
@hughmungus2760
3 жыл бұрын
Any civilisation adanced enough to build a dyson sphere would have already conquered the galaxy.
@craxnor
4 жыл бұрын
In a world of science fiction where they find one of the most amazing ideas of science fiction actually realized
@luchygonnet7776
3 жыл бұрын
i love how (as someone who never watched star trek when they were young) i can watch this clip and immediately go to netflix and watch this exact episode :)
@raiden000
3 жыл бұрын
i just wonder where the light is coming from that's illuminating one side of the sphere if there are no other stars nearby
@JM-cf9xy
3 жыл бұрын
A light bulb
@aurorapaisley7453
3 жыл бұрын
@@JM-cf9xy practical effects ftw
@vanaik
3 жыл бұрын
The Enterprise has pretty strong headlights
@Pizza793
Жыл бұрын
Aliens: omg, lets build a dyson sphere and get infinite energy! 100 million years later... Aliens: there, finally finished building it. It only took a million generations of aliens and metal mined and shipped in from thousands of solar systems, but its done! Infinite energy here we come! More time passes... Aliens go extinct, OOF! RIP. 😂 Dyson sphere left abandoned to give picard spacegasms
@jscottupton
3 жыл бұрын
Back when Captain Picard was still a great Star Ship captain and "Star Trek" was still quality entertainment.
@johngalt5205
3 жыл бұрын
Likewise Star Wars, James Bond, Spiderman, X-Men, Indiana Jones, Alien, Predator, Terminator, etc. Heck entertainment in general.
@jeremiahwallace2275
3 жыл бұрын
I’ll be honest, I thought this was going to be a gag about Dyson vacuum cleaners, but I’m not mad, this is a good clip.
@hyperkaioken4982
3 жыл бұрын
thats literally the most underwhelming dyson sphere i've seen in sci fi
@rud
3 жыл бұрын
From back when Star Trek didn't suck.
@AlKaBen
3 жыл бұрын
I Tried startrek discovery, gave up after 3 episodes and never watched back ...
@Kujakuseki01
7 жыл бұрын
I always felt that the crew is way way way less stoked about finding one of the most miraculous structures in the universe. And the possibilities it holds if the Feds could figure out how to control the resources.
@RIDDICK0911
6 жыл бұрын
They're trained to stay focused on their duties no matter what. Otherwise they wouldn't be out there at all.
@cattysplat
3 жыл бұрын
Nothing more humbling and terrifying knowing your civilisation is essentially stone age in contrast to one who can harness an entire solar system for power.
@Dotanalyst
2 жыл бұрын
Not really. When you factor in that the Enterprise has already encountered literal gods (Q, the Dowd, Nagilum etc), a Dyson Sphere doesn't seem like the realm of impossible anymore, as any Q-level entity or civilization could not only construct, but simply materialize something like this in an instant.
@pauljones2261
3 жыл бұрын
The trouble with that discovery is that the ramifications would completely break the entire plot of all Star Trek shows from that point on. They have discovered the most valuable artefact in Star Trek cannon and also potentially the most dangerous species. If it’s not defended then you could guarantee every major faction in the quadrant would be after it. Sounds like a recipe for war.
@krane15
3 жыл бұрын
Likely why they never included any mention of it in subsequent episodes. There are several discontinuity episode (and scenes) throughout the series.
@oryjen
3 жыл бұрын
-Captain what's that thing? -A giant vacuum cleaner for sure!
@armr6937
4 жыл бұрын
Ah, so you have a Death Star? Cute.
@Gh0st652
5 жыл бұрын
Captain, the Dyson Sphere seems to have a helium-like effect on our vocal chords.
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
PAL video format. (Europeans have lower testosterone.)
@Revan2908
3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he increased the playback speed by 10% for copyright reasons. I dialed it back to 90% and it sounded right.
@nicholasmorsovillo2752
3 жыл бұрын
Building a Dyson Sphere would be like building our own Death Star.
@royprovins7037
3 жыл бұрын
Did they ever even complete the Death Star
@Durwood71
3 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Not only did it feature the return of Scotty in one of James Doohan's most memborable performances, but the Dyson Sphere was a terrific bit of science fiction. Although I can't imagine living inside one of those things because you would be in a perceptual noon-day sun.
@351cleavland
4 жыл бұрын
Riker: a Dyson sphere? Picard: I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It was developed in the 20th century as a grossly overpriced vacuum that pretended to solve problems you didn't know you had with your current vacuum. Riker: what happened to them? Picard: they eventually wound up on clearance at Target. But they were soon replaced by grossly overpriced fans. Riker: what happened to them?......
@kongthao9935
4 жыл бұрын
Would have been cooler if the sphere was a collection of ships as the shell. Just take your home with you to the next star in a couple billion years.
@Phoenixesper1
3 жыл бұрын
One thing that isn't mentioned is that this sphere should be sitting effectively in the center of a galactic void spanning dozens of cubic light years, as the sheer amount of materials need to build this one sphere would require dismantling tens of thousands of star systems for the metals and consuming thousands of stars to have the required energy to pull it off. there should be a massive black void on the galactic charts surrounding wherever this is. In fact there is likely another sphere like this one in the delta quadrant, when voyager traverses a vast empty void in space over the course of months, the only viable explanation for that is that the space was deliberately depopulated of matter and star energy to build a sphere. So really this should be sitting at the center of the same kind of void voyager traversed.
@Revan2908
3 жыл бұрын
I think the "sequel" novel actually addresses how much of a void there was around this sphere and an estimate of how much it took to make it.
@davetron3030
5 жыл бұрын
I know I know exposition but my god it still bothers me to this day that Riker of all people on the bridge needed to have Dyson spheres explained to him or that even for an 'old theory' it somehow eluded a senior Starfleet officer
@davetron3030
5 жыл бұрын
Oh. Someone else already said this lol sorry friends
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
OK, who else could have asked about it for exposition? ... Wesley? - Would totally know about it. ... Data? - Even more so. ... Worf? - Wouldn't give a damn. ... Troi? - Probably got a feeling that she already knows. ... Picard? - Oh yeah, captain talking to himself would be fun.
@HallyVee
5 жыл бұрын
"It's an old theory, Number One. You've probably never heard of it."
@Dowlphin
4 жыл бұрын
Picard: _It's a very common theory, Number Zero. I am not at all surprised you've never heard of it. Don't beat yourself up. I'll explain it in really simple terms, speaking extra-slowly._ Riker: _Shup up, Wesley!_
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