Since "desktop" playstations and Xboxs just entering 60fps world from a framerate target of 30, a 40 fps 3A gaming on mobile device without tearing and stuttering i think is absolutely fine and the logic of acceptance is there..
@bikechan9903
Жыл бұрын
Actually a "fidelity" mode that runs at 40fps is pretty common now on the consoles as well. Works only if you have a 120hz TV. I tried it on my OLED TV and thought it was shit but a lot of people seem to like it. 40fps is great for me on the Deck's screen though.
@najeebshah.
Жыл бұрын
@@bikechan9903 gsync or amds alternative would solve that
@tyisafk
Жыл бұрын
@@bikechan9903 I've tried that with the new Ratchet and Clank. I highly prefer this mode over the 60fps to be honest.
@erikhendrickson59
Жыл бұрын
I *_REALLY_* hope that Nintendo doesn't do something stupid and try to target 4K with the Switch 2. Instead, they should target 90/120FPS and give the device a 90/120Hz OLED display with VRR and HDR!
@user-gj5cx9ik5m
Жыл бұрын
@@erikhendrickson59 uhh what? Lol. Why on earth would anyone care about 120hz on a Nintendo device?
@PixelShade
Жыл бұрын
9:10 this is such an important part of why 40fps is so incredibly good. Shaving off 8ms from your frame-times going from 30 to 40fps.... That's the same perceptual improvement as going from 60 to 120fps. 40fps is in fact a halfway point to 60fps in terms of percieved smoothness. :)
@aprithul
Жыл бұрын
It's even more clear if you plot a 1000/x graph. The rate of change in y starts to become less and less. For example: going from 30 to 40 fps you save 8ms. but going from 40 to 50, only 5ms.
@maqui1814
Жыл бұрын
Or the same as going from 120fps to infinite fps
@rich1051414
Жыл бұрын
@@maqui1814 I don't think people can tell the difference beyond 135hz, at least from one study I saw, but I am not sure how experienced those people were at gaming. I am still quite confident anything higher than 144hz is a waste, short of VR, where the high frame rate is serving the purpose of reducing frame latency, which very much can reduce VR fatigue.
@MetaDude
Жыл бұрын
@@rich1051414 id say it's better to have 240hz for esports but i doubt an avg joe would notice if its running 144 or 240hz
@Wylie288
Жыл бұрын
60 to 120 is huge and often time the difference between being able to play a game at all. 45 is barely tolerable in some slow games. 40 with a zero? Hell no. I am so jealous of your guys ability to parse motion you can have any clue what's going on with a mere 40 snapshots of it.
@shigutso
Жыл бұрын
One thing to note, at least from my personal experience, is that forcing 40Hz in some old or 2D games make them play like in slow motion, so a per-game profile is mandatory if you don't want unpleasant surprises for some games. In some games I find that 50Hz is also pretty nice, as the fans stop spinning that much and the game feels a bit more smoother than 40fps
@najeebshah.
Жыл бұрын
Those games have no issues playing at 60
@shigutso
Жыл бұрын
@@najeebshah. Indeed, so unless you play exclusively 3D modern games you should not enable global settings for 40Hz
@doublevendetta
Жыл бұрын
That's because those games sync physics to framerate.
@omgazr0
Жыл бұрын
@@doublevendetta To better clarify, those games are not programmed using delta time (delta time is basically a system framerate variance calculator).
@yesnttnsey8581
Жыл бұрын
Found that out when I was playing BOI:R
@steel5897
Жыл бұрын
I've been using 40 FPS on my desktop computer (you need a gsync/freesync display) to play some highly demanding ray traced games like CP2077 and TW3 next gen, for a while now. It looks WAY smoother than 30 and allows you to max out everything even with RT without needing to buy a 4090. So this may be helpful not just for low end hardware like the deck.
@thunderarch5951
Жыл бұрын
I think it's personal preference, I can't play at 40fps, I tried. I personally prefer to give up a gimmick like ray tracing and get back from it like 20-30 fps
@RandomUser-tj3mg
Жыл бұрын
I've been using 45fps on my laptop with a 90hz display as the 3050 inside it is not enough for 60. Almost feels like 60.
@tokkiebunnies
Жыл бұрын
Can you teach me how to do it, or link me a KZitem guide, thanks.
@rebane2001
Жыл бұрын
@@thunderarch5951 Did you try it while actually running the screen itself at 40hz?
@najeebshah.
Жыл бұрын
@@thunderarch5951 gimmick? Nigga raytracing in gaming is a revolution
@buddybleeyes
Жыл бұрын
A massive tip for perceived difference is play at 30fps for like 10-20mins then play at 40hz/40fps and you'll notice the difference and just stick with it rather than trying 60hz/60fps first. You will also get used to the latency at 40fps too. I've had my steam deck since August and 99% of games I play on steam deck I'm running 40hz/40fps. The only games I don't are the ones that present slow down by the fps is linked to the speed of the game running (I'm not sure on the term for this, or why this happens)
@mark030a
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this applies to Dark Souls Remastered where the animations are tried to the framerate. Which is annoying as hell, not only because you're forced to run at 60FPS wasting precious battery life, but it's a game that originally came out on 7th gen systems where 30FPS was the norm. Sure, for many this isn't an inconvenience but just consider for a second that the game's mechanics were not only tied to said 30FPS framerate, but were actually based around it. All the jank and charm comes from 30FPS and I'm surprised they got away scott-free with not letting us play at 30FPS, or heck, below 60 in general.
@buddybleeyes
Жыл бұрын
@Mark030a I believe that was the first game I ran into this actually! Was massively like "ahhh cmon.." when it wouldn't run with 40hz nicely 😂
@vadnegru
Жыл бұрын
FPS tied engine is name that pops up the most
@buddybleeyes
Жыл бұрын
@vadim negru thank you, makes alot of sense :)
@mark030a
Жыл бұрын
@@vadnegru We've gone from games running broken on higher framerates to games running broken on lower framerates. It's a bit ironic but to be fair, the majority of people find this to be ideal with only few people like me being distraught at this.
@ADreamingTraveler
Жыл бұрын
True honestly. I still can't believe how nice 40hz is. It's the perfect compromise. You get really low frame pacing, more battery life and it's still smooth enough where it's not that awful. Going from 30 to 40 is a bigger step up than going 40 to 60. Blows 30hz out of the water.
@matthewhaworth5935
Жыл бұрын
Now the next step after this is to set a TDP limit. You can turn the frame limiter off and mess with the TDP slider and find a TDP that gives you frame rates that are consistently just above your intended cap. Once you find the TDP you need go ahead and set your refresh rate and frame limiter. Depending on the intensity of the game and how crazy you want to go, you can even set a manual GPU clock and install decky loader and the power tools plugin and turn off cores/threads to really optimize for the really light weight stuff.
@Mopsie
Жыл бұрын
I always did it in reverse lol. Thanks for your explanation. This makes much more sense
@MasterPJ86
Жыл бұрын
There is not just 60 or 40 fps. Anything in between is possible. For example, for me I found that for first person shooter games 45fps is the sweet spot, it won't be much heavier than 40, but perceived is MUCH smoother: after a few minutes it almost (almost!) feels like 60. Try it out
@ZunaZurugi
Жыл бұрын
Its possible yes but the there is just 40 and 60herz and the Herz is quiet important for the framerate feel. 40fps on 40hz should feel better than on 60hz. Im personaly interessted how it feels tho :D because i never saw it in person. I only know the diffrence between 60 and 90hz in a VR headset.
@wahidpawana424
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, i find 45 fps is a sweet spot for me as well. If a game runs at 60fps avg, i would rather just cap it to 45. Better to have a consistent fps.
@OneLastScholar
Жыл бұрын
48 FPS is the middle mark between 40 and 60 FPS actually (just like 40 is between 30 and 60) so that's why 45 feels smooth.
@bruhtholemew
Жыл бұрын
PC gamers 2015: 60fps at 1080p or riot PC gamers 2021: 60fps at 2k. People still use 1080p? PC gamers 2022: omg 4k 100 fps PC gamers 2023: 40fps 400p is perfection
@josecrazyandproud
Жыл бұрын
I play everything on the steam deck at 40hz. When I first heard of this I was extremely surprised how smooth it plays and honestly it's pretty much unnoticeable especially after a couple of seconds of playing. It's very much closer to 60hz than it is to 30hz
@adamashworth6293
Жыл бұрын
In terms of frame time delivery which is one of the most important factors in perceived smoothness, 40hz is actually the exact half way point between 30hz and 60hz, which is why it feels way smoother than you would expect since it isn't the numerical half way point.
@swaggadash9017
Жыл бұрын
@@adamashworth6293The smaller screen helps as well.
@adamashworth6293
Жыл бұрын
@@swaggadash9017 I think that helps more with the lower resolution and being able to tolerate playing games at lower settings, but I'm not sure the smaller screen is doing anything to help improve perceived smoothness.
@rocknflip66
Жыл бұрын
40fps sure is a game changer, smart move valve! 🔥
@HCIbn
Жыл бұрын
Not on console it isn't
@Chris-ht5ng
Жыл бұрын
The best way to do it is cap the display refresh to 40hz and have unlimited fps in the steam os. Then use in-game v-sync if it's available. You get your 40fps but the input latency is much lower :) Valves cap can add a lot of latency in some titles.
@SuperYetifan
Жыл бұрын
It's also emotionally better to actively choose a lower framerate if you get something back out of it. As opposed to being financially restricted. Seeing wattage go down is some decent dopamine for me, but getting 40 on my desktop would just trigger a feeling that I need to upgrade.
@CyberDopamine
Жыл бұрын
Did you just say dopamine?!?! I’m doing this now
@bikechan9903
Жыл бұрын
40 on your desktop would also be stutter city unless you have a special 40hz screen.
@ahmedfayek344
Жыл бұрын
@@bikechan9903 you can downclock your screen using custom resolution utility (cru)
@chaon93
Жыл бұрын
@@bikechan9903 120 is divisible by 40, so it would be fine on a 120hz, or an adaptive refresh rate monitor in general. The reason low framerates usually feel bad is fluctuation in framerate, 40 stable feels FAR better than a 40 average with swings from 30 to 50
@thatzaliasguy
Жыл бұрын
For FPS games, 45FPS is your sweet spot on the Deck. PS:The original Crysis release on PC in 2007 was also targeting 45FPS for it's recommended specs ;)
@badass6300
Жыл бұрын
What's TFC
@dvrman123
Жыл бұрын
I target 45 fps too!
@omgazr0
Жыл бұрын
@@badass6300 Team Fortress Classic I presume.
@Randy-Lahey
Жыл бұрын
Constant 60 in halo infinite on the deck sure is nice though.
@Pumpkin-Link
10 ай бұрын
40 hz adds a lot of flickering and lower brightness compared to 45, so I always prefer 45 when possible
@nanfoodles
Жыл бұрын
You are pushing 30% less FPS, this is how I been running my Steam Deck since I got it. It really is the golden zone for the Deck.
@007GoldenLion
Жыл бұрын
The benefit of framerate is not linear.
@harshamohite1289
Жыл бұрын
I've been loving the PS5 games that have a 40fps mode. It's the perfect balance between visual quality and performance. It's a huge step up from 30, which feels borderline unacceptable nowadays.
@Pianotouchkeys
Жыл бұрын
Golden 40 + Overide to lower res in the general tab (if game doesn't support it) + FSR, is my sweet spot for amazing batery gains. Just finished playing Jedi fallen order with at 1024x640 (with fsr) TDP limit to 10 watts and Gpu to 1100.
@diezgp
Жыл бұрын
How many hours of batter life you get with those settings?
@Moshugaani
Жыл бұрын
It's quite amazing how smooth 40 fps on 40 Hz feels! It's revolutionary for mobile gaming to be frank. I can only wish that the inevitable Nintendo "Switch 2" would also have a variable refresh rate display!
@andrewbrian455
Жыл бұрын
40 fps for something that cost that much is unacceptable
@andrewpelletier7921
Жыл бұрын
I did something like with my PC. I started limiting games that don't need high refresh rates because my gpu was just throwing out frames for no reason. I barely hear my gpu anymore when before i was whiring all the time.
@michaelh3715
Жыл бұрын
Before getting my deck I read a lot about people saying 40fps was great and I didn’t believe it. Well I’ve had my deck since august and I am amazed at how hope 40 feels and looks. Currently playing Red dead 2 on the deck locked at 40 and it feels so much better than when I played the game on Xbox
@MattZildjian
Жыл бұрын
currently playing subnautica on the deck at 40hz / 40fps and it's been a great experience.
@ManhuaandMangaMaven
Жыл бұрын
As a switch user I’ve never played a game at 60fps and I’m comfortable with the 30 and 40fps like 60fps feels too fast for me 😅
@samgoff5289
Жыл бұрын
That isn't how it works...60 fps can't feel too fast for someone
@bikechan9903
Жыл бұрын
You've never played Mario Odyssey?
@rmo9808
Жыл бұрын
There's a few games that play at 60 fps like Ori and the Blind Forest
@kon_radar
Жыл бұрын
42.426 FPS would be the golden mean. You only need more Hz on bigger screens, because moving objects have to make a longer distance. In the past we had 4:3 screens, and less FOV in games, now on 16:9 there is more movement on sides because of the distortions - objects on sides of the screen are more stretched and they move faster when rotating the camera - this is why we wanted more FPS in modern games.
@Jeff1N
Жыл бұрын
My dream for Switch 2 is a screen with VRR and a 40fps mode. I'm not the kind of person who thinks anything less than 60fps is literally unplayable for any kind of game, but fast paced 1st person shooters in special look terrible at 30fps yet ok-ish at 40fps (DOOM Eternal would benefit greatly from this). Also many games have a 60fps target but are actually anywhere between 40~60 fps, and either VRR or a 40Hz mode would already make the game way less janky (Bayonetta 3 or Hyrule Warriors for instance would greatly benefit from either a 40fps mode or VRR)
@mackw919
Жыл бұрын
Never thought I see the day Pc owners will bragging about 40fps The Steam Deck got y'all down bad
@GreggyAck
Жыл бұрын
40 is great, but the miracle that Steam Deck has performed is getting me to be perfectly fine with 30fps as long as it suits the game.
@ChipsAndWires
Жыл бұрын
Love the Deck content. Have you done custom button mappings for games? I use the top two back buttons to emulate left-stick and right-stick, the bottom two back buttons to emulate select and start, and generally use the touch pads to emulate specific keystrokes (like f5 in Skyrim/Fallout for quicksave) or "autorun" in games that support it.
@Randy-Lahey
Жыл бұрын
For fps games jump and crouch on the back buttons is really nice keep them on the right side and put game dependent settings on the left.
@assassin56PSNTAG
Жыл бұрын
I honestly end up playing a lot of games at 30-40 hz/fps, just to get as much battery as possible. D2R is at 30, DMC5 at 40, Geometry Wars 3 at 45. I think the only games I felt like I needed 60 was rocket league or more precision based games
@KneeGrowDoingKneeGrowThings
Жыл бұрын
Try 53/54 for rocket league and see if you can truly tell a difference from 60
@RachelDavis705
Жыл бұрын
I set Watch Dogs 2 to a limit of 40 FPS and 40 ghz on my Steam Deck and it played great. Disable all the online stuff and you're good to go - logged 90 hours and finished the game and all the DLCs on my Steam Deck
@zicuvalentin2251
Жыл бұрын
Whaaaat you finish watch dogs. Good for brooo.
@yugorisfriwan
Жыл бұрын
40 fps has become my default framerate on all games on my laptop, no more annoying jet engine fan noise when gaming, once i got used to it there was never going back to 30, and less wanting to need 60
@divinedragonkirr
Жыл бұрын
Sold my switch OLED to get myself a steam deck. Best decision ever! And now the dude who bought my switch OLED is selling it too for a steam deck also! lmao. How ironic~
@Some-guy-on-the-internet
3 ай бұрын
I don't have a Deck but I do have a phone with a 120Hz screen, so I tried out Minecraft with a 40fps cap on it and it's exactly as you describe in the video. The perceived smoothness and responsiveness is a gigantic improvement over 30fps. It's definitely not quite as good as 60fps but it's close enough that I can happily play at 40fps without feeling the need increase the cap (even though I could at any time). It even keeps my phone running cooler and for longer than at 60fps.
@thedarknightme
Жыл бұрын
Unless I am playing an esport game, I am fine having a stunningly beautiful looking gameplay with a lower fps. Can’t want to get my hands on this. It still costs too much here in the PH.
@StjepanKralj
Жыл бұрын
40 is the new 60FPS? The hell it is.
@TheAlphaWoomy
Жыл бұрын
I love how the majority of humans have accepted lower standards for everything in our daily lives. It’s so pathetic, keep letting the big companies sell you hopes and dreams only to not deliver.
@anonanon2259
Жыл бұрын
Basically yea, crying about the switch not hitting 60fps and still being 720p, but oh wow the steam deck does 720p 40fps at 400p upscaled with fsr 2.0 what an incredible feat wink wink. Honestly the fact that it can’t do 1080p 60fps no fsr on handheld shows that technology isn’t there yet for a next gen switch. And honestly I was a bit disappointed, they hyped it up as a next gem switch but it isn’t not even close.
@qdwang-main
Жыл бұрын
But 40hz will cause the screen flickering issue. You can use the corner of your eye to notice the flickering. And you can use your mobile camera to check the flickering by use short shutter speed like 1/2000. From 40hz to 59hz, it will slowly reduce the flickering effect and at 60hz it disappears. Maybe it's caused by the PWM screen. The optimal hz for me is 48hz which is much better than 40hz for the flickering issue.
@GiggaGMikeE
Жыл бұрын
The Steam Deck has been the single best gaming purchase I've made in over a decade. I love this thing so much. And I say that already owning a gaming laptop.
@porcu
Жыл бұрын
Not really. For some reason, 40fps just doesn’t feel smooth for me. Maybe I am used to playing on my 144hz monitor (rtx3090 & all). 60fps is still the way to go.
@seeibe
Жыл бұрын
Do you actually play regularly on your Steam Deck or are you just commenting? 60 FPS isn't viable for many games on the Steam Deck.
@HaohmaruHL
Жыл бұрын
40FPS is just copium. I only play 40fps if I'm on a train or something. If you're playing at home (and 99% of Americans are playing at home because public transport doesn't exist there), then you should just stream games via Moonlight. There's no reason not to. Unless you're playing rhythm games where even minimal lag can be a problem. Most modern games are too casual and require least input from a player so you can safely stream them to your deck. I've just 100%ed dead space like this at 2k60fps yesterday.
@artax33
Жыл бұрын
I haven't pulled the trigger on a deck yet but I am going to sometime soon. I have been gaming on the switch for the last 5 years as my life changed (wife and kids) so I can't really do sit down at the computer to play games thing any more. So for me getting solid 40fps on any games would be a step up from the 30fps I am getting on the switch.
@cesare4214
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah ordered one today. Im kinda done with the Switch. The poor performance of No Man's Sky and Disney Dreamlight Valley gave me the rest.
@theslx7911
Жыл бұрын
In some games, you're not even getting that. Not even on Pokemon Violet, a flagship game for Nintendo. And most of the games where you ARE getting 30fps, you're playing at a subpar resolution with upscaling.
@rickybobbyracing9106
Жыл бұрын
It's cinematic. :D For a steam deck this totally makes sense. As a PC gamer, I've been used to 90 to 144hz for like 10 years now. But that's for competitive online gaming only
@sharn5559
Жыл бұрын
Surely 40 is the new 30
@mannysynth1664
Жыл бұрын
I did the opposite: from default settings of 40fps I went to 60 and in the most fluid and graphically easy games the difference is huge. 60 is definitely more fluid and livelike
@mangasherpa
Жыл бұрын
45 is definitely the sweet spot for most of my games. 40 if I have to and 30 if no other choice. I only do 60 for 2d games like Stardew valley which has a slight jitter on anything other than 60 or 30.
@KneeGrowDoingKneeGrowThings
Жыл бұрын
53/54 is indistinguishable from 60. That's the sweet spot. 40hz is still too slow for someone that likes fps games
@Wesmoen
Жыл бұрын
One tip, do 48. It's plays like 40, but the visuals are a bit smoother without losing much battery.
@Wesmoen
Жыл бұрын
@@KneeGrowDoingKneeGrowThings 54 is divisible by 6. It's a nice in-between. For visuals I'd go for 48. Looks much better than 40. I think the gap between 54 and 60 is a bit too small for any gain. For frame time 40 is cool, but framerate wise it's everything but logical.
@TestSubject06
Жыл бұрын
One incredibly important thing to note here is that the deck is actually synchronizing the refresh rate of the screen itself to 40Hz. It's vastly different than viewing 40FPS on a 60Hz display. On a 60Hz display running a game at 40FPS guarantees horrendous frame pacing. The display will clock at 16.6ms intervals, regardless of the output of your application. ▒▒▓▓▒▒▓▓▒▒▓▓▒▒▓▓▒▒▓▓▒▒▓▓ Display Clock ▒▒▒▓▓▓▒▒▒▓▓▓▒▒▒▓▓▓▒▒▒▓▓▓ Game Clock Result: ▒▒▒▒▓▓▒▒▒▒▓▓▒▒▒▒▓▓▒▒▒▒▓▓ You'll get 2 frames in a row of in-game frame 1, then a single frame of in-game frame 2 resulting in super choppy stuttering motion. Because the deck sets the refresh rate of the device to a 40Hz clock, the 40FPS syncs up with the rate of the display giving even frame pacing, even though the frame rate itself is lower. This is the same reason VRR makes 40-60 FPS feel much better on displays that support it.
@JMxHC
Жыл бұрын
You’re introducing some unnecessary input latency by also applying the Framerate limit. Set the refresh rate to 40hz but leave the Framerate limit set to off and you should have a better experience.
@James-cr8mt
Жыл бұрын
but then you get screen tearing. consistency is key
@D0HERRITT
Жыл бұрын
I could do this on my laptop back when I used to play games on it. It was extremely rare that a game could ever hit 60fps, or anything remotely close to it. setting it to 40Hz really helped me with it during the 2nd half of my time I was playing on laptops.
@Peanutbutter_madden
Жыл бұрын
Ive always told people the steam decks value is in how you use it. Turn up the power and play heavy games when docked and on a power source. Turn down the power and play less graphic heavy games or turn the settings down when using portably. Basically treat it as a nintendo switch. Do that and the steam deck can be a wonderful and satisfying device for you to own.
@tamertamertamer4874
Жыл бұрын
Damn those power consumption numbers are very low. Like an old lightbulb would consume more energy than that thing
@abcdoooabcd
8 ай бұрын
stable 40 on deck is heaven ✨ i just want every AAA to have stable 40 except fighting games which are a must 60
@AlecsLee
Жыл бұрын
in the games you notice the most the 40 fps, cap them to 45fps and you won't notice nothing, thats the point:, you can choose between any value from 40 tp 60, even odd nummbers like...43fps, so you only have to test eoch value givrd you the closets exoerience to 60fps while also give you the bbesy performance/battery rstio.
@Anna_Rae
Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that 40hz is not a good choice if you’re getting frequent frame drops or stutters. The stutters and frame drops feel way worse than even 30 fps on 60hz. This isn’t a problem with 40 fps on 120hz panels btw. Also keep in mind it’s not just 40 or 60. Some games I’ve found that 45hz is really good, and 50hz can be a near 60 fps experience with surprisingly massive savings to battery life. And I wouldn’t recommend lowering the refresh rate of a game if they have 30 fps locked cutscenes, like Monster Hunter Rise for example. 30 fps does not feel smooth on 40hz, it doesn’t divide evenly.
@StrongArmEntertainment
Жыл бұрын
We spend years saying PC is better because anything under 60fps is unplayable. Steam deck comes out and 30fps is acceptable again... Wtf?
@TavishMcEwen
Жыл бұрын
You actually can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps *i actually saw this on a serious forum post recently and was taken aback*
@dareka9425
Жыл бұрын
I tried 40fps with Doom(reboot) and I don't like it. The delay is far too noticeable for me. However, I just tried 50fps and it's bearable. It gives me over 3 1/2 hours of expected battery life while 60fps will cut it down to just 2 hours at full charge.
@rich1051414
Жыл бұрын
Capping framerate and turning on chill makes a huge difference. That chip is compatible with radeon chill, can it be turned on in steamos? Basically it adjusts the frame cap based on how much action is happening on the screen.
@0xpadx0
Жыл бұрын
I usually tweak the game to 60fps, if possible, and then turn it down to 45fps. If not possible i go for 30-40 depening on the game. Main reason for this is cpu and gpu load never liked going in to 80% load. Playing older games or emulation you can even lower cpu and gpu clock speed to save more battery.
@ismaeltorres3219
Жыл бұрын
I kind of do the same thing, because then when I connect it to my TV, it'll just automatically be at 60 frames
@saucetheawesome9361
Жыл бұрын
If you are looking to buy one of these because you dont own any gaming hardware just dont. Go find yourself a used pc with a graphics card in it. Or find a pc that has decent cpu where all you would need to do is instal a gpu and some ram. Found a 180$ pc with a 1650 so its possible you will find good deals
@hugoleonardo8934
Жыл бұрын
I would suggest give a shot at any FPS that ends with 9, like 29,39, 49,59. Due our brains often only handle 10-12 images per sec while our sensors can handle way more than that scalating towards thousands. Meaning if you put those fps with 9 in the end, the number of images you can see will always be the same, which is why some synchronization technniques and displays goes for 59,9hz(to represent 60) by example. While fast paced games we often rely on higher HZ and FPS due our sensors can handle but our brain only forms a few images per sec. Meaning you're often using reflex paired with triangulation of what you saw on those 10-12 images that your brain put together on that list of images. That's why we can notice high fps/hz but not exactly "compute" the difference. We often notice the "variance" on our internal base 10-12. Any number who would effectively be divided by 10 and 12 not generating "integer" variance would mean more fluid experience. What we notice and what our brain translate differs, how we use those 10-12 images will affect our perception, at lower fps/hz is adviseable, with exception of 9 and 19, use numbers ending with 9, while at higher ones is preferable stable framerates and some would adapt better than others to certain displays like 120,144,240,360 and 480 would be more dependant of the game and how the person interpret those 10-12 images in the middle of those frames. Also this is the reason that often we can have a "fine" experience using 1/2 of monitor hz most of the time, due often being divisible for 10-12 and having similar integer number of images as multiplier.
@h.b.5577
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting points, but how come 10-12? Is there resource or research you'd read that suggest as much or is that just personal experience?
@hugoleonardo8934
Жыл бұрын
@@h.b.5577 I dunno about posting links and pdf, due not often post anything on comments. But researchs often details that our brains takes about 100ms to "look,interpret, recognize and understand" images with high degree of accuracy while when we decrease this time, the accuracy starts to decline and pretty much in the 13-50ms range our interpretation barely holds up if is a content that requires "understanding what's happening" requires good degree of accuracy, so the "effective limit" is about 13ms. One source is a news published at 2014 on on MIT with the title "In the blink of an eye", while the other is an article talking about our interpretation of "Visual correlates of fixation selection: effects of scale and time" which is the title of the scientific paper that tries to tie your ability to distinguish some focal points in a set of images. There are other sources too, like BYJUS tests and "How Fast Can The Human Brain Process Images?" at scienceabc, that are more related to the image retention on our brain, the ability to recognize it, the time spent moving the eyes and interpret the image which are about 10 up 12 images per sec. Those times "stack" on top of each other, while we can "notice" changes really easily we only actually identify a limited set of it. That's why high fps are also tied to players who often plays shooters with scope(which decreases a ton the FoV and pretty much aside the dot of the crosshair you're using your pheripheral vision to notice the change). Most folks would barely notice most of the stuff that completely changes above 75hz(near to the 13ms), unless they restrict the FoV using some kind of weapon with aim-down sights or scope by example. Higher hz helps on situations where your FoV is reduced due the time to move your eyes to the point where you "noticed" something is severely reduced reducing the delay for your brain to "match/interpret" something. I even done a test using locked in game FPS to 140(on overwatch) and made 2 friends play the game in a hero(reinhardt) in practice range(map) for about 3-5minutes at high mouse sensibility then,I changed between 60hz and 120hz the display without them know what I did, only that I did something. One said that 60hz felt better, the other said both were the same. No blur or rendering scale technnique enabled in the game and gpu driver, both cases were played on the same pc(laptop with rtx 3050), same mouse, only swapping the display hz from 60hz to 120hz(lenovo ideapad r7 6800h 16gb with rtx 3050 120hz display with a button to swap to 60hz, reopening the game and setting to 60hz and 120hz respectively), the game running locked at 140fps as internal "SIM". Done the experiment 5 times (1st test was at 60hz, second at 60hz, third at 120hz, fourth at 60hz and fifth at 120hz), each time I "changed" I asked to compare with the one that was before. One said that 60hz were crispier and more smoother, while the other asked if I even swapped the hz to begin with. After the experiment I showed them the difference using scope using a sniper with a scope and looked to a training bot at the practice range, they both said that 120hz were nice(which was the later hz on the experiment) then, I picked the laptop swapped to 60hz and showed the same situation, they both said the earlier(120hz) were better. Reinforcing the statement that most of our perception is more related to pheripheral vision, while understand and interpret the image are limited a higher time spent looking to it. Is like playing 7 errors game, the more time spent looking to something the more "trust" and "confidence" your brain gets when something odd appears, if the pic changes too often you need more samples of the same "samples" to understand what's happening and triangulate where to look. If you don't focus on anything you will barely notice most of the stuff without scope. The example of 9's were more related to have more consistent range of "images" to handle, the deviation often is about 10 up to 12 images, if you effectively show same amount of images on that said FPS/HZ your brain would have easier time to find "fluidity" on it if something outside of your "control" happens on the screen or around it. Which is why for several years some consoles "handled" okayish lower framerates and triplebuffering/v-sync often provided smoother gameplay on lower framerates.
@afistfulofpimples1745
Жыл бұрын
No
@wesinat0r
Жыл бұрын
What?
@samgoff5289
Жыл бұрын
I only had to read the first couple sentences to know you are one of the "eyes can't see more than 24fps"
@vadnegru
Жыл бұрын
I remember when i was poor guy and when i hit 35-40 fps i was very happy. Now i chase that damn 50-60 and feel something wrong when it drops. And generally my 144hz display feels odd when fps is sub 45.
@Steelninja77
Жыл бұрын
I cannot believe it does 60 fps. I thought it was a 30 fps machine kinda like a last gen base console. Not 60 fps and playing stuff like hogwarts legacy. I doubt that runs 60. I am saving up for one ever since the other day i found out you could upgrade the base 64 gb version yourself beyond the top tier offering and not only that you can get by with a 512 or 1 tb SD card which are now pretty cheap. So £350 I am sold. I only have £50 so far but this month I should get most of the remainder. BTW is there a certain type of SD card it takes or any high speed one? I can't wait. I have a beast of a PC so not like I need it but hell yes do I know I want one lol. I love my gadgets. Playing no mans sky like that come on 2023 is sick mate. Imagine starfield on the move I'm dead already 😁😁
@christiangallant3197
Жыл бұрын
It feels like all your Steam Deck videos are all old content that is already common knwledge for most Steam Deck users. Welcome to the Steam Deck community I guess.
@kondor9998
9 ай бұрын
I actually prefer 45fps to 60fps. Just as responsive and smooth, but more cinematic somehow. Played through Quantum Break (great game btw) like that and loved it.
@AmritZoad
Жыл бұрын
Steam Deck after 3 more years: 20 FPS is the new 60.
@KamalaChameleon
Жыл бұрын
So true.. I always aim for 40 if the steam deck doesn't have the muscle to own the particular game I'm playing and it's barely different from 60 but much better than 30
@titans2720
Жыл бұрын
not gonna lie as someone with a 144hz monitor and a gpu to drive it in some games, the difference from 30fps to 40fps is absolutely massive, the difference makes 30 look like a slideshow. if im playing a super demanding game and the best i can do is 40fps with the settings i want, then that's playable. at least for single player games that is
@thejustinjustin1233
Жыл бұрын
The addition of refresh rate on this handheld has changed the game.
@bacla100
Жыл бұрын
Interesting video, I'm just curious about your accent, what part of UK are you from?
@paulettesterling
Жыл бұрын
50FPS was our 60FPS in 50Hz PAL territory. Still pretty smooth.
@SirAyme
Жыл бұрын
I set my steam deck to 40hz a few months ago and I actually just kinda forgot that I did? I only found out when I was trying to improve battery life for a plane flight
@hyperstargaming6150
Жыл бұрын
Unless I’m confident that the game can run 60 FPS or better on the Deck, I’m running 40 FPS. It’s so good in comparison to 30 FPS due to that 8ms difference. That’s all it takes.
@Hboogie182
Жыл бұрын
40 and 60fps is a huge difference. Try gaming on 40fps for 2 hours and you'll start to get a migraine. This won't happen if the refresh rate is higher. The higher the rate, the less strain on your eyes. Your battery life problem is solved if you attach a power bank on the rear using a Deckmate attachment.
@chitan1362
Жыл бұрын
I have lately taken a liking to 45hz lately. Just the little extra 5hz makes it almost feel as smooth as 60FPS. It's not really great for FPS games, but platformers such as Yooka Laylee and the Crash and Spyro remasters play very well. What I would love to see in a future revision of the Steam Deck is a VRR (Variable Refresh Rate) screen that allows you to select the maximum refresh rate.
@ZunaZurugi
Жыл бұрын
Wait you can change the Herz like that? Is it not only 40 OR 60 hz?
@chitan1362
Жыл бұрын
@@ZunaZurugi Yes, You can change it anywhere from 40 to 60hz :)
@theslx7911
Жыл бұрын
The maximum refresh rate on the deck is 60hz but the slider lets you select anything from 40hz to 60hz on a slider.
@chitan1362
Жыл бұрын
@@theslx7911 What? The deck doesn't do 20Hz.
@theslx7911
Жыл бұрын
@@chitan1362 that was an honest typo, thanks for catching it and calling it out.
@BixxPlays
Жыл бұрын
please stop spreading the myth that gta5 is hard to run. its 10 years old. i would be surprised if the steamdeck couldn't run it.
@HPAddict
Жыл бұрын
Me, who has been playing on consoles 20+ years in 30 fps, is completely fine with 40 fps.
@danielp7976
Жыл бұрын
On 2:04, please note that you should turn the per game basis on or you will now, without deactivating it, have in the Steam Deck menu 40 fps and in every other game. And of course with the setting you dont need to ever mind again. I personally have my own preferences with a combination. A fluid 48 Hz for some first person shooters that would benefit from the lowest possible latency + changing some graphical settings for battery setting, because you just dont see some differences that much on the small display. For 2d platformers or non demanding stuff etc., I just set it down to 40Hz or even 30 Hz if it is fine.
@Dracossaint
Жыл бұрын
I tried 40, I notice it. I'm a little over sensitive, but limiting to 40-45 to 50 fps *finger guns*
@RichardSanchez137
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that uses my Steam deck for casual and indie games and some older titles (fallout, skyrim)?
@jimmyquan737
Жыл бұрын
You can play 60 fps, adaptive sync or freesync and resolution higher like 4500 X 1820. You will see how smooth that is. Don't need 200 fps. The higher the resolution better quality but laggy if your CPU is weak.
@neage7171
Жыл бұрын
I personally make custom game profiles and set the games to 40hz, and I play with the TDP and GPU clock and use the profiles when I am on Battery. When I am docked or connected to an outlet I turn off the custom profile and let it go full throttle.
@Willis2992
Жыл бұрын
Wow, the 'epic hack' that has been mainstream in the community since the update enabling this came out in June.....
@akidevcat
Жыл бұрын
9:10 Should note that physics calculation is not bound to framerate as such. Usually, physics is computed a fixed framerate every second so that all the things happen cohesive among different performance wise devices
@arrowodd7695
Жыл бұрын
I do it per game from thirty to sixty. Some examples, Vampire survivors is forty, Valheim is at thirty, Stardew is at sixty.
@thunderarch5951
Жыл бұрын
On a screen this small, 30-40 fps are actually enjoyable
@rincewindthewizzard6594
Жыл бұрын
How screen size related to fps?
@bikechan9903
Жыл бұрын
@@rincewindthewizzard6594 imagine a planning camera in a game. Now consider a point on the horizon that's moving on your screen because of the camera's pan. On a 70 inch screen that point may move 1 inch from one frame to another in a low framerate. On a 7 inch screen it'd be 0.1 inch.. Now if you sit really close to that 70 inch screen you'll notice this more. If you sit far, you'll notice it less. Handhelds tend to be similar to sitting far from a TV. That's how screen size relates to perceived smoothness of framerate.
@jacobhudson5470
Жыл бұрын
Could you try out modded minecraft next? What are the limits with the steam deck as far as modding goes. Also, do the same with shaders, and see what shaders work best with some of the more popular mod packs. I know a lot of Minecraft gamers like myself, would love to see this!
@blax722
Жыл бұрын
It handles modding pretty well, I never actually had problem with any mods lagging my game, I tried FTB Revelation and it was great. I don't play with too much mods though, I am fan of vanilla and have only few mods installed. In terms of Shaders I only tried Sildur ones (I like that enhanced classic look) but they run pretty well. Also i am sure that if you would have an server you could push it to it's limits.
@Jose-ue3bu
Жыл бұрын
Work smarter, not harder. 40fps combined with 40hz is no different to 60 fps. What a time to be alive and game! DLSS, Adaptive Sync, 1080p+all the graphics settings you want, on budget gpu buttery smooth. Heaven.
@blackstar-genX
Жыл бұрын
I think it would be best to say 40 is the new 30
@168original7
Жыл бұрын
You can feel the disappointment when he is talking about it.
@gambaownsus
Жыл бұрын
Stop selling me that 40fps is the new 60fp.
@ZeroB4NG
Жыл бұрын
More like 40FPS is the new 30FPS. And while it is cool that they gave us the option to lower the fixed refreshrate.... why not FreeSync? In my experience games that can't do 60FPS are already running so hot and suck so much power that locking them the 40Hz still feels like you are torturing the little device, still hot, still shit battery life. I'm currently playing Need for Speed Underground 2 on it, with like some HD texture mods all maxed out 60FPS, ...and only 10W i remember when that game needed a midrange to high end PC with 400 Watt PSU and i still had to lower some graphics options at the time. That is the really mind boggling part of it... how does it do that with so little electricity required. I am actually saving on the electricity bill with all the hours i'm playing on the Deck instead of my PC. ...and you know what? OLD GAMES ARE BETTER! Just straight up more fun than any of the new stuff.
@universegaming1353
Жыл бұрын
FreeSync would need a bit more powerful of a CPU to take advantage of the tech.(Could be possible if the CPU is based on Zen 3) Also, that would require Valve to make a deal with display manufacturers for a custom 1280 x 800 7" LCD screen, which is a bit much for a first iteration and this is Valve's first device being manufactured.(The Valve Index is a set of VR peripherals)
@OroborOSX11
Жыл бұрын
While I think it’s a bit annoying that we have to settle for less than 60, 40Hz has been a really great middle ground. I’m glad it’s viable.
@Omlet221
Жыл бұрын
I’ve been using 40hz since day one. It’s very difficult to notice with most games however I do still have to use 60 on some games.
@schar1024
Жыл бұрын
Funny is, that some games depend their speed by the FPS. So 60 FPS = 100% Speed, 40 FPS = 66% Speed. So you can play some games on slow motion that way.
@theslx7911
Жыл бұрын
It's called being "CPU-bound". The graphics are not working independent of the CPU clock speed, but rather reliant on it for frame pacing.
@multistuff9831
Жыл бұрын
40fps can be a problem with some games, since a LOT of them still tie physics and stuff to fps (like furi, which makes dashing less fluid, you shoot slower, and one attack can be parried at lower than a certain fps)
@clockwork204
Жыл бұрын
To be honest, unless there's a side by side (or my game's fps jumps up and own)... I don't really notice any difference between 40-45 fps and 60 fps. Stable 40s is perfectly fine.
@nintenx1235
Жыл бұрын
45hz is my favorite. It's a really good in between of 30 and 60. Higher graphics and less frame drops.
@ultramegashortcakeofdarkne5730
Жыл бұрын
Well I watch gameplay on youtube on 30fps which is fine
@elgatoestaloco
Жыл бұрын
Art of rally uff nice experience in steam deck!
@Enermus0
Жыл бұрын
You ppl are crazy 40 fps. That's like saying 20 fps is okay for next gen consoles
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