One correction: the 6A comment would be at a lower voltage (not at wall power), and therefore not a concern. That's our error from pushing through these two videos so fast. But you still shouldn't open your device and then touch stuff while it's running, period. If you missed it, we have a full hardware review of the Steam Deck on the channel already: kzitem.info/news/bejne/r5uHrpOVkYiSaWk (WATCH THIS VIDEO for full details on thermal design, airflow design, power, gaming benchmarks, and more on the Valve Steam Deck) GN 3D Coaster Packs are now on back-order! store.gamersnexus.net/products/3d-coaster-pack-4-component-coasters Get an anti-static electronics GN ‘Volt’ Modmat, in stock and shipping NOW: store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large GN 10-piece Toolkits are IN STOCK & SHIPPING NOW: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit We also went through the specs of the Steam Deck here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/u6Gl0n-XpmWcnYo Watch our factory tour series: kzitem.info/news/bejne/r4eLm6CBa2uTpW0
@robertlawrence9000
2 жыл бұрын
Please show more gameplay on the Steam Deck. I'm curious about how well various games play on it. Horizon Zero Dawn, Destiny, Halo, Fallout 4, Skyrim, Red Dead 2 and anymore you would be willing to show. I love the content. Thanks
@cannoobin
2 жыл бұрын
what are you doing up stillllllll
@TheKillerStove
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertlawrence9000 They can't do that yet, as its only the embargo on the hardware that's lifted. They can only play Control, DMCV, Dead Cells, Portal 2, and Forza right now as a means to show off how the hardware performs under different conditions. The software embargo lifts sometime in the next few weeks
@robertlawrence9000
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheKillerStove oh dang! Ok. I was wondering why they were showing only certain games only since it's been in people's hands.
@flimermithrandir
2 жыл бұрын
@@robertlawrence9000 They arent allowed to yet because the System Software isnt finished yet. Its only working but VALVE said they need to wait (about) 2 more Weeks to finish it and be allowed to test/talk about it actually.
@JerryRigEverything
2 жыл бұрын
This guy is like a smarter JerryRigEverything + hair.
@SamuraiDeek
2 жыл бұрын
Patrick's explanation of the terms VRMs, MOSFETS, controllers, etc and their purpose in the Steam Deck or in the tech world overall was pristine. Steady, articulate and easy to digest. Thanks!
@KouroshFarrokhzad
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm back in school. This was so comprehensive and helpful. Big thanks to Patrick and GN - and please provide more of these kinds of in-depth explanations - I'm personally going to stay far, far away from 6A charging circuits!
@GoldSrc_
2 жыл бұрын
I dunno chief, it felt like he was just reading a brochure and not really explaining much.
@schellenbergenator
2 жыл бұрын
My one criticism would be when he was talking about the charging circuit and he noted that because it can output 6 Amps, that makes it dangerous. Since we're dealing with relatively low voltages, talking about the max amp output, regarding safety, is pretty silly.
@GeckonCZ
2 жыл бұрын
19:35 It's 6A at 25V max. With voltage potential that low, the thing is perfectly safe. Yes, it's the current flow through your body that's dangerous and 25A is plenty to kill you, but once you put the resistance of your body into the equation (Ohm's law, I=V/R), you will see that with a voltage that low and resistance that high, the current going through your body will never get anywhere near to the dangerous values. In fact, you won't even feel it.
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You're right on that - we pushed the video through too fast and Stone recorded this after a long day, so I think he forgot he wasn't talking about wall power here and was working with a low voltage circuit. I should have caught that, so my fault for not correcting it. Thanks for the correction! I'm going to bed now!
@GeckonCZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@yaldabaoth2 Glad to hear that. I'm an EE. Not sure if Stone is, so I'm not gonna comment on that part. I mean it's always better to make a comment like he did and make the engineers laugh, rather than to go in the other direction and make somebody feel overconfident.
@GeckonCZ
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus Makes sense. After all, he has spent a lot of time working on PSUs lately. Love the content, keep up the good work!
@gorjy9610
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus it can't kill you but it's enough to burn through that PCB in seconds so warning is good even if point is wrong.
@jaywastaken
2 жыл бұрын
Just don’t lick it and you’re good.
@quantumbits1952
2 жыл бұрын
HIGH QUALITY CONTENT. This is the type of content that me and the community love to consume it's both educational and entertaining at the same time. I genuinely learnt and enjoyed watching your videos. Really appreciate the time and work that you and your team put into making these.
@justincredible5406
2 жыл бұрын
Valve are legends for encouraging independent reviewers.
@Verpal
2 жыл бұрын
Not only encouraging them, but actually sharing engineering document, not everyone are Beve Sturke who can afford the newest and flashiest testing equipment among KZitemr.
@nO_d3N1AL
2 жыл бұрын
No reason not to when you have a good product
@papabones8753
2 жыл бұрын
@@Verpal AND they want to sell replacement parts for it so you can repair your unit or have someone repair it without having some custom part only they could fix.
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
Valve even shared some of its testing with us, which is incredibly rare. We normally find out one way or another, but sharing information allows everyone involved to do a better job
@LN997-i8x
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Valve is being congratulated here for things they should just be doing.
@alexhaywood3139
2 жыл бұрын
The charging ICs 85 degree rating is an ambient temperature rating. It says it can do 3.2W of dissipation at an ambient of 70C, then derating by 40mW/C over 70C. Tj shdn (shutdown junction temperature) is 165C and the default thermal regulation junction temperature (point at which the device throttles back the charge current) is 115C, configurable up to 130C.
@Gigator
2 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this comment, liked! The rush jobs showed here a bit. Still not something major for most people! :)
@doogdog6965
2 жыл бұрын
Engineer here, blown away at the depth and production value of this tear-down. This is far and away more credible than gaming media outlets!
@KontroldKaos
2 жыл бұрын
A tear-down video at 4am? Yes, please!
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
That's the best time!
@Jonathan.Boring
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus yes!
@Herbrax212
2 жыл бұрын
5am for me! Insomnia gang rise up
@yuh42011
2 жыл бұрын
2:28 am for me. WFH for life
@SRC267
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus but it's 10:30am?
@Saturdaymorninghero
2 жыл бұрын
dude, you guys always do a great job! Can't wait for more fan testing videos!
@chloedegurechaff1941
2 жыл бұрын
I am thoroughly impressed with Valve here. This reminds me a lot of the Vita 1000. Easy and simple to take apart. I'll defiantly be looking forward to grabbing one of these. Keep it up Valve.
@Version135
2 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to get my psp out again
@aelaan12
Жыл бұрын
Since I am not actually getting a Steam Deck I can appreciate the knowledge and show and tell of computing hardware. Thanks for putting this together.
@sonorous6200
2 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite tear-down video from you all, GN. Highlighting the daughter boards was great, going over the parts of the VRM with diagrams with great explanation...all terrific. Thanks!
@mightylink65
2 жыл бұрын
7:30 "Remember to disconnect the battery as soon as possible!" _Uses screwdriver to show us how all the buttons click :3_
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
I mean, they're buttons. It's not like we were bridging contacts with the screwdriver
@Wait4Shadow
2 жыл бұрын
This is amazingly high quality content. I won't pretend to know half of what's being shown here, but the mere fact that viewers get to see this pulled apart and openly discussed is fantastic.
@clintk4691
2 жыл бұрын
Between Valve sharing testing data so openly with GN and producing a device that's so easy to maintain is very impressive! I hope this sets a president for other companies in the tech industry.
@bigshacaca6932
2 жыл бұрын
Man the level of depth is insane. Mad respect. I usually go LTT for the general Info looks like GN is my new must watch too.
@kojack57
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously impressive work from the people who assembled this and the people who disassembled it. No where to hide these days. Thank Christ for YT and GN.
@jackshephard1693
2 жыл бұрын
Kinda interesting that Valve sent this to only three youtubers for analysis.
@JWH3
2 жыл бұрын
You guys absolutely must do a full episode with the technical details of the differences between blowers and fans and why they're used. Once your fan testing rig is all set you have all the data you could ever want.
@silkmonkey
2 жыл бұрын
This is the kind of content that keeps my patreon money flowing - love the depth and explainers for what the tech specs actually mean. Between you guys and buildzoid I love how much tech I can learn.
@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep
2 жыл бұрын
Stone is the only person in Tech KZitem that I've come across that feels like a university lecturer in Engineering and I mean that in the most complimentary way possible
@totalsubmition
2 жыл бұрын
Sleep doesn't exist in the world of GN.
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, I have a nice couch in the office now!
@Jonathan.Boring
2 жыл бұрын
@@GamersNexus LOL. Gonna assume y’all didn’t schedule this uploaded. Published it when you could probably.
@BigFootRunner
2 жыл бұрын
Editing keeps improving with every video. Really slick transitions to show the graphics on the computer screen. I've also noticed Stone seems to get more comfortable in front of the camera with every video. Keep it up!
@flamixin
2 жыл бұрын
Love the Patrick's analyses on the circuit design part. I hope this channel can make more contents about some interesting circuit design/solution in the industry.
@Dato-64
2 жыл бұрын
At this point I only understand half of what’s going on in the video but I appreciate the work and details that a lot of people will need to understand, mod and repair the hardware.
@trouty7947
2 жыл бұрын
Considering how modular everything seems to be, I'd *love* to see what crazy modules and add-ons people start making for this! Some weird Frankenstein steam deck would be pretty fun! And if it does get a big modding scene, that should hopefully translate to longer term support from steam if it gets popular
@MrTexaspete30
2 жыл бұрын
I only started gaming again last Christmas and I cannot wait for this thing to arrive at my door
@Olibelus
2 жыл бұрын
Normal channels, normal teardown. You guys: let us show them every single chip and explain what it does. 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀 Ya’ll crazy. In a good way. Awesome video, so detailed and informative!
@gves2
2 жыл бұрын
Patrick is seriously next level. Keep up the good work.
@wmdtone
2 жыл бұрын
Looks remarkably easy to service
@Ford.Prefect
2 жыл бұрын
Don't say this too loud. Otherwise Deck 2 will be completely glued
@garydeyoung4428
2 жыл бұрын
Have fun putting it back together
@riveraluciano
2 жыл бұрын
The team in general is awesome and this video is living proof of it. I can't wait to see you guys (or someone else for that matter) try replacing the nvme drive when the embargo lifts and you get free will to act on it fully.
@awgmax
2 жыл бұрын
@Editor of the video, loved the transitions, especially 15:49
@quiCksilvieZzz
2 жыл бұрын
Just woke up and having coffee, such a perfect timing for the upload. Cheers GN for your fast and comprehensive tear down!
@dodoroa
2 жыл бұрын
I'm an electronics technician and I loved the Patrick-zoid segments! keep it up! P.S. I think the last set is very good. Maybe fill the walls in the backgroung a bit, a couple of low ambient light and some employe casually wondering lost and confused.
@92juanreus
2 жыл бұрын
Patrick: Explains what every chip and mosfet do and what current, voltage and temps they are rated for, and a lot of other cool electric stuff that shows how valve is choosing good quality components. Me, who doesn't understand a single word: Yes, of course, very interesting (not joking), go on please. This was excellent, loved the video and every detail explained, thank you very much guys.
@ForOdinAndAsgard
2 жыл бұрын
Impressed? This is brilliant and will be a new standard to work up to for the rest. Valve rules!
@ReesesPieces81
2 жыл бұрын
I wiped a few tears at seeing the Steamdeck torn appart bit by bit.
@barnesiznoble
2 жыл бұрын
Stone is rapidly becoming one of my favorite 'tubers. Sincerely, unabashed fanboy.
@Fifury161
2 жыл бұрын
Great to see the call out to anti-static precautions - kind of defeated though when Patrick Stone takes over the analysis...
@danielpena-un8vl
2 жыл бұрын
Definitely build and designed with durability in mind. I'm in! got mine pre ordered.
@TheEtherea
2 жыл бұрын
Frankly Valve is doing really good. They do internal testing and external testing and get a bunch of various feedback which itself is important with all the different ideas and points of view. The closer to release it gets the more promising this product looks. From the basic stuff like labeling things, and not making things inaccessible for no good reason I like their way of thinking. Sure there are still questions (considering it's a pre-production test unit) like a glued in battery, but it's fair to assume those might just be for the sake of testing as in, not to mess with. GN is doing very quality content as usual, thanks guys.
@attel2091
2 жыл бұрын
The MAX77961 ambient max is 85c but the junction max is 150c without thermal shutdown. Also it has thermal foldback to charging current at default 115c
@TemporalOnline
2 жыл бұрын
Austin is so thoughtful sending his fingerprint 😊🤣🤣
@anthony631
2 жыл бұрын
Best teardown video! Always a pleasure to watch :)
@Herr.Mitternacht
2 жыл бұрын
I was about to go to work, but screw that! 🤙🏻
@xilanceylan
2 жыл бұрын
33:08 wtf why is your Mandarin pronouciation so good?
@aeris2001
2 жыл бұрын
This is seriously next level stuff
@worldhello1234
2 жыл бұрын
If Valve is ballsy enough to send a test unit out to my favourite metalhead from GN, they must be serious. @20:13 The difference between LiPol and Li-Ion is AFAIK the packaging. LiPol is more malleable. @24:21 Unless you care about wasting precious liquid but ... too little can be problematic, not too much within the boundaries of the contact patch, off course.
@CeceliPS3
2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind having that cosmetic tape taken off. I think it would look kinda cool to see the metalic plate through the grill on the back.
@TheStuntViking
2 жыл бұрын
Steve: The first thing we should do is disconnect the battery so I don't short something with the screwdriver. Also Steve: Points at exposed wiring with the screwdriver with the battery still connected.
@goozebump
2 жыл бұрын
jeez the camera you guys are using is amazing. im on a 1080p monitor and its still looking like its 8k
@jarynn8156
2 жыл бұрын
They went through all that effort to make it able to be torn down... And then glued down the battery, the one thing that every single unit will eventually, no matter how good you treat it, need replaced.
@domoarigato3000
2 жыл бұрын
This guy sounds like a super chill James Woods.
@the_alquemist101
2 жыл бұрын
Thx for your hardwork GM! Excellent video!
@tristanholley7141
2 жыл бұрын
That switch that the paddle presses I use EVERYDAY! I replace those on DS9808 barcode scanners. Part number 667-EVQ-Q2K03W
@HobkinBoi
2 жыл бұрын
Man, I have to get one of those. Would be great for trips out.
@budthecyborg4575
2 жыл бұрын
So now that Gabe got this mid life crisis "I wanna be a console manufacturer" thing out of his system... Can we have Half Life 3 now?
@Daschickenify
2 жыл бұрын
Project borealis is working on half life 3. There hasn’t been a recent update though, so I’m not too confident in them.
@ekimnosredna
2 жыл бұрын
That background almost looks green screened on my iPad… liking some of the new sets though.
@calebwilliamson4418
2 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah get off work and boom perfect timing!
@JMPDev
2 жыл бұрын
@Steve: it looked like lots of the small parts like the daughter boards had QR codes on them. Did you try scanning any of those? Would be neat if they linked to documentation to help you identify them or re-assemble them
@robertkennion9020
2 жыл бұрын
The video everyone was waiting for
@ZachStein
2 жыл бұрын
Very cool teardown. It looks like the device is pretty well built, and it seems like it should be relatively easy to repair compared to some devices, what with standard screws on the outside. Not sure if you guys have experience with the quality of different MOSFET parts on the market, but it might be worth investigating and talking about is the chip itself they're using any good? How does it compare to other manufacturers like TI?
@tdata545
2 жыл бұрын
Those coasters are pretty, OH MY GOSH, GUYS.... Back order, dammit. But seriously whomever designed them are amazing. How easy to clean? Since that seems like there's more nooks and crannies than a Thomas's English Muffin. Especially the LOGO N one.
@Varitok1
2 жыл бұрын
You can toss them into the sink and scrub them since they're silicone.
@FourStringL0B0
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed teardown. Will you guys be testing different SSDs soon?
@myztklk3v
2 жыл бұрын
"its basically ready to pull apart" *cuts the violent release of the rear panel* "alright"
@DarkAge69
2 жыл бұрын
Great video and that Steam Deck is impressive
@MalakithSTL
2 жыл бұрын
i would have really liked it if you didn't cut when you pulled off the rear of the deck
@MinecrafterPiano
2 жыл бұрын
While it's probably a minor thing with that super small button deflection, I'd worry about the plastic becoming brittle over time and the plastic-spring becoming fatigued over time.
@joshm3484
2 жыл бұрын
I'll pick one up as soon as I see an open box one for sale on Newegg 🤣
@barneybarney3982
2 жыл бұрын
25:40 this "foam" is here to connect heat shield to board GND.
@Cardamander
2 жыл бұрын
Thing is enormous. The Switch is already a giant handheld. I use the Lite for portable play. I don’t get why they had to include all those touch pads. It could have been two inches narrower without them
@erwinamanciosilva7693
2 жыл бұрын
Its for use on pc focused games, remember this is not a portablr console, its portable pc, thats why valve keep remembering us of this fact, the touch is for games like rts ones, games that only work properly with a mouse or need for some reason mouse input, it was made to increase deck game compatibility as much as possible, also its big because of it repair friendly approach, which is why valve used lots of daughterboards instead of a stupid single motherboard that would require complete swap in case any component died.
@matt99199
2 жыл бұрын
The tape blocks moisture ingress
@tylerdoerrer3576
2 жыл бұрын
Really cool and educational video
@azjeep26
2 жыл бұрын
Great video BUT the reason I was watching this tear down was the removal of the SSD can you show that closer? Can you try to upgrade it ?
@scruffy3121
2 жыл бұрын
Der gute alte TÜV.
@jonathan8087
2 жыл бұрын
Me: I am super informed about what the Steam Deck is. Valve: This item is not available for reservation in your country.
@brssnkl
2 жыл бұрын
This handheld is (not really but kinda) Steam Powered (since heat pipes have a very very tiny amount of steam) 11:46
@PatrikKron
2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit disappointed in the battery placement and it being glued, since it will probably have to be replaced. Otherwise this looks surprisingly good.
2 жыл бұрын
Well done
@samuellourenco1050
2 жыл бұрын
I suspect that DrMOS is a fancy name given to switched-mode regulators. Surely, instead of a flyback diode, they use a MOSFET, but they still seem to be glorified switchers.
@bullzebub
2 жыл бұрын
hmm.. seems like a version with removable grips should be possible :-) i wonder if the controller talks to the mainboard using usb...
@RoaringImages
9 ай бұрын
The board with the audio cable @ 9:20 what's the other cable next to the audio jack. Asking cuz I notice mine was loose after taking it apart. I reseated it but now my Steam deck lcd isn't coming on, no back light.
@eugkra33
2 жыл бұрын
Why does the SOC look like it's bigger than a 6700xt die???? Is there some weird type of IHS on it? What's the actual size of the die?
@RamkrishanYT
2 жыл бұрын
It's always a good day when we're quoting Louis Rossmann, or not.
@owlmostdead9492
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I would be way more interested in this as a small portable DevOps machine
@Penfolduk001
2 жыл бұрын
Admittedly SteamDeck isn't in the same volume levels as Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, but surprised how many boards and chips there are. I assume if the first SteamDeck gen is successful they might look at lowering the chip/board count on future revisions. Disappointing the battery is glued in though. Hope it's just a compromise for the preproduction units.
@erwinamanciosilva7693
2 жыл бұрын
Steam will not lower chip count, and thank valve for that approach, its much more desirable to have plenty daughterboards instead of a single motherboard for maintenance and fixing purposes, the main problem with consoles is that everything is on one board, you fry something you have to swap the whole thing, where the daighterboard approach you just swap a smaller board without having to touch the other components, so hope valve never listens to comments like yours, the deck is bigger for a reason, its much more maintenance fri dly than everything else on market, aside from framework things, you will come to love a deck when you feel for yourself how much easir it is to fix components compared to a switch or even home consoles.
@MyGreatCreation
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder what size that fan is? I might try and put a better one in there. I also might try some thermal shims to put in there too.
@brookep1
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@brookep1
2 жыл бұрын
This was a beautiful piece of electronics engineering content suitable for a wide range of audiences in a way rarely seen on modern YT. I wish stuff like this existed back when I was learning to be an EE (late 80's). I never would have stopped being a parts-hunting solder jokey who liked digging out sources for obscure components. A work of art in my opinion. Your steamdeck work could end up being your Magnum Opus - sans flames. BUT ... small butt ... fan testing of that fan when? Creating a "Noctua Edition" Steam Deck when?
@thatboionfire2955
2 жыл бұрын
Fuck Im sold on that mousepad
@GOAToatoat
2 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in a look at the version differences. Might be hard to do with them being hard to get ahold of, but sounds like content to me. Thanks for the information guys! Really good stuff!
@xaytana
2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they didn't use a slightly thicker component layout under the central portion of the backplate. Ergonomics wouldn't be affected, there's already a backplate hump with finger divots for this. Weight should be negligible, if even noticeable. But the benefit is slightly better component packing, maybe a slightly thicker battery would allow room for a longer SSD, as 2230s are not as widely available on the consumer market as 2242s are, and possibly free up room for a more optimal cooling solution; hell, even a slight motherboard design tweaking would've allowed for a longer SSD. The idea of docking is also irrelevant here, considering it won't 'dock' like a typical device would due to the top port, the most of a 'dock' you'll have is a cradle/stand with a wire. I also believe with a bit more design revision, the I/O could've been moved to the bottom, especially the headphone jack, you'll have to route the wire behind the device so that it doesn't dangle in front of the display, losing you a few inches at the least and inducing additional strains on the connector as the wire won't freely dangle out of the plastic housing; you'd need a 180° connector to avoid this, but you'd also still be losing a few inches of cord, which can be a deal breaker on some headphones without detachable cables, but additional connectors are not a good solution, same goes for the Type C port. Threading into plastic? No Valve, use inserts, even laptop manufacturers know to do this. Especially with the user-serviceable design, considering controller components were designed to be replicable, a product like this _needs_ threaded inserts so plastic threads don't get stripped over time, or immediately stripped by users that don't know better. Plastic snaps and clips face similar issues, they'll break over time, especially with inexperienced consumers working on these. The fact that the battery needs additional component removal before it can be disconnected is a bit concerning, a serviceable device like this needs access to an easy to disconnect battery connector as the first step after removing the backplate. Having a screw under an adhesive foil is also a bit concerning, I would imagine that adhesive would eventually fail over time; what even is the purpose of this design anyways, it covers a heatsink mount, the shield plate should be removed before the cooling mount is touched anyways, and the screw the foil tape shouldn't even be necessary for mounting the plate, that little mounting tab under the hole seems unnecessary. Glued cables are also problematic, either run them under the battery or have a different adhesion method; similar with the battery, according to Linus' teardown stream, I believe the battery itself has too much adhesion to the magnesium midframe. Valve is competent in what they do, but this is very telling of a first generation product, even at that point it feels like it's bordering on a 'we're close to bringing this to market' trade show hardware demo. So many implementations and choices just seem questionable at best. I know Valve doesn't have a ton of hardware design in their portfolio, but I would expect this from a smaller boutique that may not have the financial backing to refine development like this, but I would've expected better from an estimated $10+ billion dollar company, it just seems lazy, cutting corners where possible, and/or that the project was handed off to a small dev team and was told that their kit was good enough upon higher ups reviewing it; for something that should meet the quality of big corporation consoles and laptops, I think it falls quite a bit short in terms of refinement and better choices. The various attention to detail also seems inconsistent, small details are there, but big ones really aren't, like the SSD size, overall design that could further optimize things, port placement, etc. Personally, I'd at least wait for the first major hardware revision. If not wait for a gen 2 or 3 of the product, in hopes that there's better design choices made in later generations. I'm also not a believer in x86 handhelds, they're just not efficient enough when compared to ARM, and the eventual industry change over into ARM, or an ARM successor, will massively boost handhelds; the efficiency is why smartphones last so long, why the Switch doesn't die in an hour, etc., and of course more power efficient GPU architectures will boost battery lifetime as well. x86 just isn't built for this purpose, sure you could nerf power draw to extend battery life, but you're also sacrificing performance to do this, it's why 'gaming' laptops are power hungry behemoths compared to your longer-lasting thin and lights, the performance per watt just is not comparable. I want a handheld, I just don't think there's much point in investing until there's an industry shift to a better performance/power efficient platform, or until there's some magical battery development that'll massively expand power density of batteries; the only hold over for this is some of the later specs of fast charging, let me play at full tilt while also significantly charging the battery, or very quickly charge the battery outside of play, even if this leads to faster degradation, for which the batteries need to be supplied as replaceable units, I'd much rather take the convenience over longevity if it's the only option. I have hopes for the Steam Deck, I just hope it continues to be successful after the initial hype. I don't want it becoming a suction-cup dart that falls off the wall after a few minutes, I'm afraid Valve may just pull out of the longer term project altogether, due to various downsides mentioned here. There's reasons why we haven't really seen handhelds outside of small boutique brands, and the most we've seen is that Alienware concept from two or three CES shows ago, the tech just isn't there to support the platform, and for what tech is there, there's not software support for it, it's just not a great industry situation to bring a product like this to market. I also hope later generations also include upgrades, like an OLED display, newer WIFI components, and magnetic-based analog components to combat drift issues, Sony used to use these irrc, etc. With future generations I also hope to see more come with the product, such as an on-board keyboard like GDP WIN3's Sidekick-style keyboard, I believe it's better to have a full keyboard interface, especially for multi-key macros, than it is relying on software keyboards, no matter how intuitive those software keyboards are to use.
@ChangeChong
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine getting a steam deck early just to tear it apart
@omgawesomeomg
2 жыл бұрын
Valve said without the shield between the SSD and Wifi module there could be interference and they discouraged users from swapping the SSD. Would love for you guys to test this and see if swapping the SSD with a non-shielded one is actually problematic.
@BillCipher1337
2 жыл бұрын
I think they are not allowed to test this until release. But i would be interrested too
@voxelfusion9894
2 жыл бұрын
It depends a lot on how carefully the ssd was engineered to avoid excessive RF radiation, which interferes with the other radio signals used to carry your wifi. It'll be highly dependent on the model of the ssd. Worst case you'll have no, or very slow wifi with a bad ssd.
@endykun
2 жыл бұрын
It's going to depend on the model of SSD you used to replace it, and how carefully you managed to swap it, it's going to be very variable.
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
Hearting because a lot of people are interested, but this is too variable and outside of our comfort zone to adequately test. We could do anecdotal stuff, but would prefer to avoid it.
@Pixelplanet5
2 жыл бұрын
@@hiyall15 that would be a one off scenario that doesnt tell you anything about the actual impact. you would need to test a lot of different SSD´s and also measure the power consumption of the wifi module at the same time to account for that the module could be using some extra power trying to compensate for the extra interference. And even then you still dont know if or how much interference there is as you are only looking at the end result without looking at anything in between like doing an actual spectral analysis of both the SSD and the wifi module.
@Phosphor66
2 жыл бұрын
I feel like GN is the only media outlet who understands that thermal imaging is not always useful
@SSmitar
2 жыл бұрын
I know right? No idea why other channels don't go deep on SOC, memory and other component temp itself. Seems like obvious superior testing method to me.
@CanIHasThisName
2 жыл бұрын
@@SSmitar Simply because that's not what they are specialising on.
@xentiment6581
2 жыл бұрын
@@SSmitar takes work and actual tehnical knowledge.
@Ghi102
2 жыл бұрын
Well, Thermal Imaging can be useful in this specific case since it's a handheld, you can check if the device will be too hot in your hands.
@gorjy9610
2 жыл бұрын
Most users don't care about per IC temp. And it's not something they should care about at all.
@BurntFaceMan
2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love GN for the speed that they manage to put out such insane quality content.
@thomasmaier7053
2 жыл бұрын
What is sleep?
@whizadree
2 жыл бұрын
Well don't forget that they had months to prepare
@K71421
2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaier7053 I feel that bro
@alexisrivera200xable
2 жыл бұрын
@@whizadree Make that about two weeks at the most. You don't have that much time ahead even with preproduction units,the reason is the source. No company likes to have their unreleased hardware out in the wild for too long for security reasons plus its not just GN getting them so the chances of other folks breaking embargo early goes up significantly risking the company's carefully planned and expensive release arrangements and media coverage.
@chrinaldi
2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasmaier7053 It is said that the sheer disappointment from Gigabyte PSU exploding and NZXT H1 probably burn itself to death that fuels his energy. Or so I was told.
@RECE4ER
2 жыл бұрын
All the separate boards for different functions of the device, i.e. independent board for audio, independent boards for analog sticks, is absolutely fantastic. Super easy to replace a small daughterboard rather than the entire board like most devices these days. Way to go Valve!!
@PAcifisti
2 жыл бұрын
Was just thinking about that. If you break the audio jack it'll just mean replacing a small board instead of having to replace the entire motherboard.
@GoatedWithTheSause
2 жыл бұрын
And yet Type-C port is soldered to the main motherboard - 11:00. Charging ports get a lot of abuse and often go out first.
@wkcs007
2 жыл бұрын
@@GoatedWithTheSause Hopefully that will be addressed in a future release...
@realhuman4396
2 жыл бұрын
on mobile the comment cuts down at “analog”… you can guess what it is
@oblivionshadow9453
2 жыл бұрын
This can be a downside though if the user isn't experienced since it does not take much to break a ribbon cable or ribbon connector.
@ZachDxn
2 жыл бұрын
You know Valve did a bangin job when Steve says "I'm impressed" more than once.
@fajaradi1223
2 жыл бұрын
Impressive is way below acceptable
@ZachDxn
2 жыл бұрын
@@fajaradi1223 has Steve ever accepted anything though?
@leotoro51
2 жыл бұрын
31:42 Those scenes with very deep field of view are incredible ! I love it - it makes Steve looks almost cinematic ahahah ;) Good job camera man :)
@GamersNexus
2 жыл бұрын
Andrew has been killing it in these Steam Deck videos!
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